Suck My Knick

Summary

The Brilliant Idiots – Episode: “Suck My Knick” (June 19, 2026)

Hosts: Charlamagne Tha God
Guest/Co-hosts: Alex Media, Chris Moreau
Absent: Andrew Schulz, Taylor
Summary prepared by: Podcast Expert Summarizer

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Episode Overview

This episode is an unfiltered, freewheeling discussion with Charlamagne Tha God at the helm, joined by Alex Media and Chris Moreau. With Andrew Schulz away and Taylor absent, the trio celebrates the New York Knicks’ improbable championship run, debates the essence of sports “magic,” and moves through culture war flashpoints, Internet conspiracy culture, and existential ruminations on technology and mortality. All delivered in the classic Brilliant Idiots blend: part sharp, part absurd, all compelling.

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1. Knicks Championship: The City That Never Slept (00:43–14:42)

Knicks in 5: A Historic, Emotional Triumph

• Charlamagne, Alex, and Chris reflect on the Knicks’ NBA Finals victory:
  • Charlamagne declares it's a “magical run” not matched even by recent “all world” teams like the Warriors.

    “When I watched the New York Knicks in this playoff series, you felt the magic. I haven't felt that in a long time for a team.” (02:08, Charlamagne)

  • Alex describes the pure outpouring of “joy” and citywide euphoria, likening the atmosphere to moments post-9/11 but in a positive sense.

    “I've never seen anything like this New York since 9/11... but that's the closest parallel.” (03:15, Alex)

  • Chris recounts the “energy” at the championship-clinching game, the raucous scenes both in San Antonio and NYC.

Brunson, Belief, and Basketball Mythology

• Jalen Brunson’s Playoff Ascendancy:
  • Compared to greats, with the assertion that “right now, as we speak, Jalen Brunson is the best player in the NBA” (09:17, Charlamagne)—though even Charlamagne admits he wouldn’t draft him #1.
  • Discussed as the embodiment of blue-collar, underdog grit. The panel debates the “face of the league” concept and why American players capture more cultural resonance.
• Victor Wembanyama Critiques:
  • Charlamagne responds to accusations of xenophobia and doubles down on criticism, branding Victor as “overrated,” unable to deliver in the clutch.

    “All you did was show us why you’re not ready to be the face of the league and why foreigners can’t be the face of the league.” (13:18, Charlamagne)

The Knicks’ Collective: Overlooked Stars & City Identity

• Conversations on players finding new life with the Knicks, the sum of overlooked parts becoming a historic whole.

  “Those five people come together… and had a historic playoff fucking run.” (07:28, Charlamagne)

• The parade is hyped, with speculation that it could draw “ten million” despite rain. (32:54)

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Key Timestamps:

• [02:08] – Magic of the Knicks’ playoff run
• [03:15] – NYC’s energy post-championship/9-11 comparison
• [09:17] – Jalen Brunson as best player in NBA
• [13:18] – Critique of Victor Wembanyama

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2. Sports, American-ness, and Marketing Debate (14:42–25:48)

• Face of the NBA:
  Ongoing talk about marketability and cultural connection, with skepticism about non-American stars as the NBA’s principal draw.

  "They’ve been waiting on a white guy... an all-American white guy." (16:05, Charlamagne) (re: Cooper Flagg)

• OG Anunoby Praise:
  “OG has become one of my favorite players in the NBA because those are the type of players I like… I rooted for the Draymond Greens of the world.” (18:09, Charlamagne)
• Parade Anticipation:
  Massive city celebration foreshadowed; rain be damned.

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3. The Wider World: Internet Narratives, Secret Societies & Media Feuds (41:44–56:41)

Illuminati, Blackballing, and Conspiracy

• Nicki Minaj on “the Illuminati”:
  Segment played and discussed, leading to a breakdown of real vs. music-industry “secret societies.”

  “If you look at something like the Epstein files, there’s clearly some other shit going on... but the music industry, I don't think that's no secret society.” (43:04, Charlamagne)

• Power, Techno-Lords, and Social Media Manipulation:
  The group takes aim at billionaire influence (Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, etc.), with a call-out of the hypocrisy in whose power is scrutinized (e.g., “Why does Jay Z get more outrage than Elon Musk becoming a trillionaire this week?” – 56:25)
  • The “algo bosses,” who monetize discord for profit, are declared the new feudal lords.
  • Strong recommendation for the book Techno-Feudalism: What Killed Capitalism.

  “You are on that digital plantation picking digital cotton for free every day... The only way we'll be able to overthrow the Technolords is by disconnecting.” (66:41, Charlamagne)

Viral Outrage: Jay-Z, Target, and Culture Wars

• Jay Z’s Target Album Exclusivity “Controversy”:
  • Charlamagne rails against selective outrage and intra-community criticism, questioning why some corporations or artists are targeted and others given a pass.

    “The reality of the situation is some rings mean more than others. This New York Knick ring... worth more than both rings LeBron got in Miami.” (29:15, Charlamagne)

• Debate on the logic and purpose of “boycotts”—how social media amplifies or invents outrage for profit.

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Key Timestamps:

• [41:47] – Nicki Minaj Illuminati segment
• [56:25] – Who gets outrage: Jay Z vs Elon Musk
• [66:41] – Techno-feudalism and digital ‘plantation’ analogy

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4. Existential Musings: Mortality, AI, and Life Lessons (109:16–116:27)

On AI, Death, and Meaning

• Would humanity, freed of illness or war by AI, still find ways to harm each other? “Absolutely... we get bored.” (109:16, Charlamagne)
• Discusses the value of mortality, and how knowing a “death date” might change your approach to life.

  “You're not supposed to be in this, on this journey forever. That's just not the way the world works.” (110:22, Charlamagne)

• Charlamagne shares philosophy influenced by Stoicism (a coin from Ryan Holiday: “you’re going to die one day”), and the merits of living for the impact you can make.

Notable Quote

• “You’re not haunted by things you did. You’re haunted by how little of it really mattered in the way you thought it would.” (116:27, quoting Bob Dylan via Alex)

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Key Timestamps:

• [109:16] – Would humanity ‘break’ paradise?
• [110:22] – “You're not supposed to be here forever”
• [116:27] – Bob Dylan on turning 80 and finding meaning

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5. Classic Idiot Moments: Humor, Trolling, and Vulnerability

• Running Gags & Callbacks:
  • “Suck my d---!” as a universal New Yorker retort in hostile sports territory (04:33, 33:47)
  • Roast of Victor Wembanyama and playful dissecting of NBA narratives.
• Internet and “Secret Society” Paranoia:
  • Satirical deconstruction of “Illuminati” tropes and inside jokes about being accused of being “in the club.”
• Sincere Vulnerability:
  • Charlamagne details recent struggles with mood and medication (peptides), and the importance of recognizing and addressing mental health fluctuations (97:26)

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Notable & Memorable Quotes

“I haven’t seen the city like this since 9/11… except this time it’s joy.” (03:15, Alex)

“He’s the best player right now – last man standing, king of the hill.” (09:17, Charlamagne on Brunson)

“Americans want an all-American star – it just translates differently.” (16:10, Charlamagne)

“You’re on that digital plantation picking digital cotton for free every day… the only way to overthrow the Techno-Lords is by disconnecting.” (66:41, Charlamagne)

“You’re not haunted by things you did. You’re haunted by how little of it really mattered in the way you thought it would.” (116:27, Bob Dylan, quoted by Alex)

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Recommended Listening Segments with Timestamps

• [02:08–05:00] – Feeling the Knicks magic; NYC’s reaction.
• [09:11–10:50] – Brunson’s place among NBA greats.
• [13:18–16:42] – American-born stars vs. international players in marketing/culture.
• [41:44–47:15] – Illuminati: real vs. pop culture.
• [56:25–62:41] – Hypocrisy of social outrage; who we criticize and why.
• [109:16–116:27] – Mortality, meaning, and life perspective.

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Episode Tone and Takeaways

Ranging from the rowdy (and sometimes juvenile) joys of sports fanaticism, to genuine reflection on technology, power, and mortality, this episode shows the full “Brilliant Idiots” spectrum—hilarious, provocative, and occasionally profound.
Charlamagne and crew drive home the importance of cultural resonance, the dangers of unchecked digital platforms, the cyclical nature of cultural scapegoating, and the need to seek out genuine meaning before it’s too late.

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For listeners who missed the episode:
This recap delivers the full flavor—basketball bliss, pointed social critique, conspiracy deconstruction, and a surprisingly earnest finish about time, change, and purpose. Skip the ads, enjoy the wisdom and wildness, and check the timestamps for segments you can’t miss.

Transcript

[Alex]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Chris]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Chris]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Chris]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Chris]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I thought it was gonna be Knicks in six. I'm not going front. Knicks in five. Was. It wasn't surprising after you saw, you know, how the Knicks got down. But where do we stand? Greatest playoff run ever has to be.

[Alex]

It has to be Sixers. 1982. Sixers.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't remember that.

[Alex]

Had a. I believe a fo. Fo foe was the famous quote. They went 4, 4 and lost one game. So it's a similar thing over four decades ago.

[Chris]

Come on.

[Alex]

Yes. Historically, I don't.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. I don't want to be a prisoner at a moment, man. I'm just simply saying that when I watched the New York Knicks in this playoff series, you felt the magic. And I haven't felt that in a long time for a team. Yo, I haven't felt. I haven't felt. I haven't looked at a team and say, yo, that's a magical team in a really, really, really, really long time. Not even the Golden State Warriors. And they were magical.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And I'll tell you why I don't look at the Golden State warriors in that way. Because they had all world talent. They had Steph Curry, they had Klay Thomas, they had Prime Draymond. Then they ended up getting Kevin Durant. They now that first. The first team that won a championship without Kevin Durant. That was magic. But they were just really good. Right. Then they came back and they did went 73 and fucking nine. That was a magical team. But they lost in the finals. But once again, they had otherworldly hall of Fame elite talent.

[Alex]

So we didn't know that at the time.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Which stuff we did.

[Chris]

Nah, we kind of knew.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What's that?

[Chris]

We were already following the Splash Brothers

[Charlamagne Tha God]

and Splash Brothers, they had a little

[Alex]

bit of like an underdog status at first. That changed once they became established after the first one.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't think they had no underdog status. They were 73 and 9, Chris.

[Alex]

Yeah, you're right. I mean, I would say the difference is I've never seen the magic on the court at that level. And then the magic off the court match it, right? So, like, there's almost two things going on. Like, there's the games itself, and this is. This is talking as someone who was in New York for it, like, I've never seen anything like this New York since 9 11, which was not a positive thing, but that's the closest parallel. Like, even my dad called me the other night and was like, what was the energy like? Have you ever seen the energy in New York on that level? And I was like, yeah, 9 11, the energy was off the charts, but in a completely different way. Like, there's never in.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I've noticed in New York have this kind of joy. Joy? Yeah, bro.

[Chris]

Hope, belief, you know, it's crazy. So me and Schultz, we went to the game.

[Alex]

Oh, yeah, Tell us.

[Chris]

I honestly wish I was in New York because.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Wow.

[Chris]

Yeah, because like, one, being at the game was exciting as. But then after the fact, San Antonio, they wanted their blood back. Like, they were out in the streets. Everybody who had anything nicks on, they was you. You. They were trying to start fights with people. People were getting jumped. So some do.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What happened to your Suck my dick? What happened to your New York Suck my dick, Alex. Suck my dick. That's what you're supposed to say. I don't give a. Where you at. You a New Yorker. If you out of state. And spurs is acting like that. Suck my dick.

[Chris]

Texas is a open car, open car state.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know where you at, Right? You're right.

[Chris]

But it was crazy. It was the excitement and to be in that room for. To see that happen was amazing. But still New York is. I've never seen it like this, yo,

[Charlamagne Tha God]

that video of when the Knicks won and they was just like what Manhattan sounded like somebody just was. Somebody just had their phone or something outside, like they were just recording. It wasn't even. They weren't even anywhere. They were like in a building and they were recording out the window and you could hear the whole city going crazy. That shit gave me chills, man.

[Chris]

It sounded like during COVID Remember like 7 o' clock when we. They would like clap for all the nurses and first responders, right?

[Alex]

Like bang on blocks.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, that's it for that.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I was in Jersey. Yeah.

[Chris]

So like at 7 o' clock every time in New York, we would like. Everybody would just cheer for the first responders and it would just. The whole city would just go where

[Charlamagne Tha God]

the fuck with the first responders at?

[Chris]

Like, because they had to be on the front. Like they had to be in the hospitals while everybody was dying.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Got you, got you. Nah, that shit was incredible, man. I've been here for 20 years. I've seen the Giants win, I've seen the Yankees win. I've seen the Mets have a run. The Mets, Yeah. I've seen the Mets have a run. I've never felt anything like this Knicks shit. Yo, like New York is really a basketball city, man. And shout out to the Knicks. I seen a video, somebody posted that shit said Charlamagne, the gods xenophobic take on Victor Wembiana and they were playing clips from Brilliant Idiots. When I was having the conversation about how a foreigner can't be the face of the NBA, I'm like, how the. That shit made me go look up what xenophobic was again. I'm like, how the fuck was that xenophobic? And ain't Victor a fucking alien? So what the fuck are we even talking about? But it was. Yeah, see right there, Charlamagne, Tha God goes on an insane xenophobic rant targeting foreign players not born in America.

[Chris]

Yo, that's crazy. Yo, to reach, to get some views

[Charlamagne Tha God]

on the reach is crazy, right? So here's my thing. All the Knicks victory did was prove why when you are an American born NBA player with a blue collar story like Jalen Brunson and the Knicks being a blue collar team, when you had.

[Alex]

I wouldn't call Jalen Brunson.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Blue collar. Brunson is blue collar. I'm talking about the way they play. Okay, yeah. I'm talking about the way they play, the type of team that they are.

[Chris]

Dad's a former player. You kind of had a little access that other people.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, but this is a team who, when you look at all of their starters, it's like nobody wanted them. Dallas let Jalen go out there and test the free market. OG Was somewhere else, you know, they ended up letting them go. Mel got traded. But the fact that they would trade them. Mikel Bridges, Carl Anthony Towns went to the Western Conference finals with the Minnesota Timberwolves. And Minnesota said, hmm, you know how we can be better? Let's get rid of Cat. Like, let's. Like, this shit didn't make. It makes no logical sense. Those five people come together. What's the quote, Chris? The sum of all parts equal a whole, or something like that. Like that's what happened with the New York Knicks. And they come together. They came together and had a historic playoff fucking run. I don't know if it's because it's New York City. I don't know if it's because we watched somebody like Jalen Brunson look like Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant in the NBA Finals.

[Chris]

That's a big statement right there.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's not even. I just say looked like. Because I remember watching Bulls games, and no matter what the score was, you didn't turn. Cause you knew Michael Jordan could win this shit for the Chicago Bulls. You watched the Lakers games, and you didn't turn. Because no matter what was going on, you realized Kobe could probably win this game for the Lakers. That shit happened in five games with Jalen Brunson.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And he had shooting struggles in, like, the first two or three, but still found ways at the end of the game to win. And then he just put it all together in games four and five. Game five. You dropped 45 in San Antonio.

[Chris]

So I'll let Schultz make this case when he's back, but after the game, we were having a debate. He's trying to make the claim that Jalen Bronton is the best player in the NBA right now.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He is,

[Chris]

without a doubt, you'll say that right now, the best player in the NBA.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Listen, you can only grade things based off what happens throughout a whole season. He's the last man standing, last team standing. King of the Hill had an amazing playoff run at this moment in time, right now, as we speak, Jalen Brunson is the best player in the NBA,

[Alex]

he's the best guard for sure.

[Chris]

That's different. Is he the best player? So you're saying you get who was

[Charlamagne Tha God]

the best player before Jokic?

[Chris]

Yeah, there's a few. Like right now, if you can assemble a team, your very first pick is Jalen Brunson.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Nah, it wouldn't be my first pick.

[Chris]

So if the best player that's your

[Charlamagne Tha God]

first pick, he wouldn't be my first pick.

[Alex]

But I will say this, going down the stretch, gotta have a Jalen point. I'd rather have Brunson than Jokic.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Gotta have Jokic struggles.

[Alex]

If you put him in a one on one situation.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

If you're, if you're.

[Alex]

If it's two minutes left, a minute 30 left and you need a bucket, I don't know if Jokic can get it for you every time.

[Chris]

Oh yeah, clutch.

[Alex]

I would say to your point. I've been watching the NBA since 1980 religiously. The person I was most fearful in crunch time was Jordan.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Jordan, without a doubt.

[Alex]

Second most fearful. Reggie Miller. No, Bird.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, okay.

[Alex]

Bird. Every time. I was just like, it's over. He just knew he was going to find a way to win. I think Brunson is like approaching. You just knew coming down the stretch he's going to go now every time. Let's tell the truth. That drive he had over Wemby that everyone's saying is one of the greatest plays in NBA history, Blatant push off elbowed him in the stomach.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Nah, ain't no fuck that. I have no reason.

[Alex]

But so was Jordan's push off on Byron Russell. So you know, like what am I going to do?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You could take his face off the screen because I'm not playing that. His face is disgusting me. But it says Charlemagne. The Gog is in the same. I'm not playing that well. Listen, I don't have no remorse for Victor when beyond. I told y' all this shit before on the pod and I saw y' all comments and y' all said I was tripping. The most over hyped so called superstar face of the league ever. I hated the David and Goliath marketing. How the fuck is he Goliath? He hasn't won anything. The Knicks and Spurs, this, this iteration of the spurs team and the Knicks being in the finals should have been an even, even exchange across the board. There shouldn't have been. I understand that, you know, Vegas had odds 2 to 1. But what has Victor Winbiano won for him to be Goliath. He's Goliath because he's tall and Jalen is small. Like, he's not a tough giant to slay. Who was who? The fucking.

[Alex]

Victor Wembiano just beat the defending champs, who everybody thought would be untouchable this year.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Injured defending champs, missing two starters, an injured Minnesota Timberwolves team. What are we like? The hype for Victor is ridiculous.

[Alex]

It's because you see moments where it all comes into focus and you're like. There are moments where you're like, if he strings enough of these moments together, there's no stopping him. But he's not evidently capable of stringing enough of them together yet. Will he get there? And he's gonna get there.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't think so.

[Alex]

He'll get there.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Chris. He disappeared in the fourth quarter for every single game.

[Alex]

He just doesn't have a move. He doesn't have a go to move. You can't give him the ball with a minute left and be like, get us a buc.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Because he thinks he's Kevin Durant.

[Alex]

He's incapable.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

If you gave him the bucket around the rim, he probably could. How the fuck are you working out with KG and Hakeem? Hakeem Olajuwon in the offseason, but you still out there trying to play like Kevin Durant. That guy is so overrated, Joe. He's beyond over. When OG backed him down and dunked on him two hands. I'm like, this guy is. He's worthless. In the fourth quarter. You can't stop. You can't get me a bucket in the fourth. And you can't even stop people from getting buckets in the fourth. Like, he's a. But he's overrated.

[Chris]

He's still young. So I'll give him time. Because, like, people were saying this about Braun. Fourth quarter, Braun. And he changed his game where he became more dependable.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I was thinking about not Brunson's level, though.

[Chris]

Not Brunson's level, but still way better than in the beginning of his career.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

This is Brunson's first NBA Finals, and he showed us who he is.

[Chris]

That's true.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's Captain fucking Clutch. I think they should call him Captain Crunch. Okay? Put him on the front of the fucking Captain Crunch box. Fuck Wheaties. Okay? But he showed us who he is. Victor showed us who he is. This was. This was literally supposed to be a star making finals for Victor when beyond. It couldn't get no better. You're playing against the New York Knicks in the number one media market. You're the face of the league. For whatever reason, I'm supposed to be the face of the league. And. And all you did was show us why you're not ready to be the face of the league and why foreigners can't be the face of the league.

[Alex]

So is Brunson face of the league right now?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think he is right now. But also the face of the league conversation is a little. It's a little much too. Because there's only been a few faces of the league. There's only been a few Magic, Larry bird, Michael Jordan, LeBron, Steph. And then you have the other people like the Shaquille o'. Neals.

[Alex]

Did you say Kobe?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't. I don't think so.

[Chris]

That was the time Kobe had it for a couple.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Kobe had culture. The league didn't want to give it to Kobe because of the other stuff that happened. You know what I mean? Like the league didn't want to make him the face of the league, but he had it. He went to three finals in a row. One, two. You know, like he was. Kobe should have won MVP one of those years for the face of the league. At a certain point, I think Shaq was at. I think he was at a certain

[Alex]

point because he had the endorsements. He had the.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think he was.

[Alex]

He had the rings.

[Chris]

I feel like they were co face of the league during their run with the Lakers. Cause they would. They both kind of had it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think Kobe Bryant was an unofficial face of the league and he was a cultural face of the league. I don't think the NBA, I mean even think about. Even endorsement like McDonald's and everybody backed away from Kobe. Nike couldn't really run no major campaigns for him for a while. Like they like God bless the dead. Everybody does a lot of revisionist history to Kobe. He was, he was. He was amazing on the basketball court. Number two, greatest basketball player of all time. But during that time, there was a lot of backing away at Kobe. Kobe didn't get what he should have got.

[Alex]

He was seen as selfish. Let's tell the truth. Shot all the time. Even. Even the 81 point game, it was like. Yeah, there was backlash against that. So yeah, I think that's fair.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It was that Then, then it was the when. When stuff happened in Colorado. Then it was the stuff with Shaq when he made the comments about. If you take. You see what I. I forgot what it was. But you see what Shaq. It was just a lot of the league didn't put the, put the gas to Kobe.

[Alex]

He was a Divisive guy. Like he wasn't nearly as well loved when he was here, unfortunately, as he has been in death.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Absolutely.

[Alex]

There's been a new narrative, I think that's fair to say.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And you keep. I'm g. Tell you who will be though, just to get off the spurs and the Knicks for a second. You let Cooper flag have a. Have an amazing season next year and y' all going to understand what face of the league looks like. They've been waiting on a white guy. They've been waiting on an all American white guy.

[Alex]

He gotta get a new haircut. He's gotta do a couple things, but he'll be all right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Hey, he'll be fine as long as he don't do nothing to insult anybody. You know what I'm saying? And he stays on the straight and narrow. If he comes out in balls next year, you're gonna see what face of the league looks like. Cause he's ready to go. But when Bianna is overhyped, man.

[Alex]

So Luka can't be the face. No good looking white guy. La. They just market.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He's not. You're not from America. I don't make the rules. The New York Knicks are showing you the difference. Is there not a difference between the Knicks winning and OKC winning?

[Alex]

Sure, but that's market.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, it's not. Who's the star of OkC? I. I feel a foreigner. If Shy was from.

[Alex]

There's a difference between Toronto and, you know, Croatia or wherever Luke is from, right? Yeah, he's from Canada. The guy is from Toronto. He went to Kentucky. Like, he's not that foreign. He's not that foreign.

[Chris]

No.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He just got a Nike deal yesterday. He dates Kardashian. Don't translate. He had Converse. Nobody was wearing Converse. Cause of shot. It don't translate. Same thing with Denver. The star is a foreigner. It don't translate.

[Alex]

I'll give you. I don't know if I noticed we were mispronouncing it Shy or Shay. What?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Shay. Whatever. Can you imagine if Jokic was from Kansas? You know, the conversations that they would be having?

[Alex]

So like a nice Greg Ostertag. If Greg Ostertag was nice.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Can you. Can you imagine the conversations that would be happening around Jokic if he was from fucking Kansas? Like, it's just different in New York. The Knicks are showing us that storied franchise hasn't won in 53 years. Biggest media market. Yo, Jalen Burns. They've been on everything over the last week.

[Chris]

Yeah, that's crazy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They've been on everything. Like, that is the difference between being an American NBA superstar and being a superstar from another country.

[Alex]

Well, people love OG he's the second biggest hero to come out of this. He's not American, but it's Jalen.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We love OG but it's Jaylin. It's cause of Jaylen and Kat. Like, we. And OG is right there. We love. I love OG From Nigeria. OG Is probably. OG has become one of my favorite players in the NBA because those are the type of players I like. I. I rooted for the Draymond Greens of the world.

[Alex]

I said here last time before game four, I was like, he's the second most important player on the Knicks.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think you're right.

[Alex]

And God damn it, if he didn't win that game, I. I think you're right. Now, did he foul on that layup? Yes.

[Chris]

Oh, come on. Yo, Chris.

[Alex]

No, no, no. We just have to tell the truth here. We have to tell the truth. In game four, when they were down 30, the amount of text I was getting from Knicks fans being like, the fix is in. This shit is fucking rigged. It's the. So if it was rigged, why didn't they call the foul at the end? It wasn't rigged.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I thought refs missed a lot.

[Alex]

The Knicks fans were showing their ass when they were down 30. Let's be honest.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Chris]

So what?

[Alex]

It has to be said, because there's been so much cockiness and swagger since then. I'm like, you guys were fucking panicking.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I have the text.

[Alex]

We had the receipts from Harper.

[Chris]

I'm laughing because you're not 100% wrong.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But it don't matter, though.

[Alex]

100%, right? That's right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We had Jose Alvarado on, and Jose was saying how he was just talking about how fucked up the energy was for game three. Right, Right. He was just like, yo, we had to be there mad early. He was just like, everything was off. And I was like, yo, that was God. Cause I think about it, right? I had Knicks in six, but after seeing what I saw, Knicks would have swept the Spurs. I really believe that if they didn't have that disruption of President Trump coming for Game 3. Can you imagine if the Knicks had won Game 3 and then won Game 4 the way that they did in Madison Square Garden? New York will be missing two boroughs right now. Like, right now, two boroughs gone, up in flames immediately. Bronx outta here. Okay? They done burnt the Bronx the fuck down. All right? Parts of Brooklyn gone.

[Chris]

I'm actually surprised. We were pretty tame, like, we ain't destroyed the city that much.

[Alex]

Can we acknowledge and salute the real MVP of the series?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Who?

[Alex]

The Sixers fan who came and showed up in the Dennis Rodman jersey.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, he was a Sixers fan?

[Alex]

Yeah, he's from Philly.

[Chris]

Yo, this is wild.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, he's a Spurs fan.

[Alex]

No, he's a Sixers fan. He was just looking to avenge what they did to us.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Get the fuck outta here. Yeah. So he wore a Spurs jersey just cause he wanted action?

[Alex]

Yep. He just wanted the smoke.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's why I'm not mad at a lot of spurs fans I saw getting beat up. Nah, because no, I saw a lot of that type of trolling. Yo, I see you seen the kid, Ty. Lil had to stop this one kid, he was like, yo, what the fuck are you doing? You from New York, stop doing that shit for fucking clout. He put on the spurs jersey and then jumped. Was taunting the crowd of New Yorkers. So you telling me that this guy that they calling the Incredible Hulk put on a Spurs jersey, but he's a Philly fan. He just wanted action.

[Alex]

That's it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Where you've heard this from, Chris?

[Alex]

From his IG account. Dwallacewallace27. I'm from North Philly. I just wanted to smoke. Oh, wow.

[Chris]

Yo, don't fuck with that guy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Wow.

[Alex]

Thank you, sir. Thank you for your service.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, he different. Wow, wow, wow. I was watching that video and I was thinking to myself too, but people really can't fight no more. Not him, of course, but everybody that was swinging on him. Cause they couldn't do nothing with him.

[Chris]

Be solid, bro.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So hold on. Go back to that caption, Chris. So a 76ers fan hated the Knicks so much that he put on a Robin spurs jersey just to engage in physical combat with Knicks fans. This is legendary, you know. What was his Name? Salute to dWallace27. I did not know this story. I respect it. I give it to him. Even the choice of jersey, I give

[Chris]

it to him, man.

[Alex]

That's how you know he's not a real Spurs. He just. But Rodman, he was on the spurs for five seconds. They hated him.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But still, you pick one of the craziest motherfuckers of all time just to go out there and start banging with people. Shout out to you, man. Drop on the clues. Bomb for D. Wallace. Underscore27. I will say this about Victor when beyond though, because I was thinking about like marketing. Remember I was saying that he needs something that can help him connect with culture. Number one, first of all, in order to connect with culture, you have to win. That's first of all, you got to be great. You got to be dominant. He was not that in the NBA Finals. So he's way beyond, way behind the eight ball. But there is an angle that came out of this that he can run with. Gotta be the heel.

[Alex]

I think that's it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Be the villain. Be the bad guy.

[Chris]

He don't got it in him. He's sold.

[Alex]

No, he gave us heel. He gave us villain.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Naturally, organically. We hate him right now. I don't like Victor Wembion. I don't like the way he acts. I don't like the way he carries himself. I don't like how dirty he is as a player. I didn't like his post game, the way he was talking when he was like, yo, such and such hope to talk to y'. All. Never. All that shit like that. I didn't like when they were down three to one. He's like, everybody knows we're going to come back. Who the fuck is everybody? Everybody where?

[Chris]

Yeah. But then he's showing up the games in religious garb and painting in the

[Charlamagne Tha God]

park, like, fuck all that.

[Chris]

Can't be a heel.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Fuck all that. You got to go straight heel. You got to heal.

[Alex]

He's rejecting us.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's right.

[Alex]

He's saying, I don't give a shit about your clubs and your American culture and all that.

[Chris]

Oh, okay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Go full bad guy, Mafia boss.

[Alex]

You guys are all fucking peasants. I'm gonna sketch these statues. I'm gonna do my French thing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I like it.

[Alex]

Yeah. I think it's a great narrative.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He should go straight mob boss, and we can call him Big Pussy. That's what we let Victor win beyond. Go straight mob boss, straight bad guy. We call him Big Pussy.

[Chris]

Okay, but then he gotta win.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You gotta win.

[Chris]

He gotta win. If he gonna do that, you gotta.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's the whole key to being a generational face of the league. You gotta dominate. Somebody said to me, Shaq got swept in his first finals when he. When he was 22, 23. Yeah. But Shaq still dominated. Shaq averaged, like, 28, that 28, 12 and shot 60% from the field. We just don't remember that because Akeem Olajuwon was otherworldly. Like, Akeem Olajuwon took Shaq to school in ways we can't even imagine, but Shaq was still dominant. If Victor Wimbiana goes out there and averages 28 and 12, shoots 60, 60% from the field, spurs probably.

[Alex]

He got 26, 11 and three blocks.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Who.

[Alex]

Those are dominant numbers.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, but he shot. His field goal percentage was like 40 something. He didn't show up in the fourth quarter at all, Chris. He disappeared in the fourth quarter for the motherfucking San Antonio spurs, man. And Shaq averaged six assists a game. Look at. Pull up his fourth quarter stats. And then in game five, 19 points, 14 rebounds, five blocks in a fucking potential elimination game. Come on, man. Come on. What's his fourth quarter stat? In the fourth quarter of the 2026 NBA Finals against the New York Knicks, Victor went Beyond an average 7.3 points, 2.3 rebounds and how many assists?

[Alex]

Half an assist.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Half an assist on 34.3% shooting from the field and 25% from three point range. Garbage.

[Chris]

Yeah, that's not good enough.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Garbage. Garbage. Now you know what the spurs need? Dylan Harper. Now Dylan Harper, that's going to be co. That's going to be like when beyond is Kobe.

[Chris]

Whoa.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

To his. Shaq. Harper's a beast. Yeah, Harper gonna be a killer.

[Chris]

And he just took Fox's spot.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Fox gotta come off the bench. I don't give a fuck how much they pay.

[Chris]

I know that's crazy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't care how much they pay.

[Chris]

That's crazy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Fox gotta come off the bench. Harper should be starting next year. Fox gotta come off the bench. Well, Harper is that guy that can go get them a bucket in the fourth quarter. That's what they need. They needed somebody that can go get them a bucket. That's what I'm talking about.

[Chris]

But yes, one thing I'm a little bit worried for, because now New York is going to. We already put all these guys on a pedestal, but now it's going to be like out of this world type of love. I hope it don't get to their head and they start like partying too much and girls and all that type of stuff.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like they got one. I mean, listen, the thing about it, a lot of them are very.

[Chris]

This could be like a dynasty type of stuff.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But a lot of them are stable. You know Katt about to get married, right?

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Jose Alvarado's married with four kids. Got one on the way. Got three daughters and one son on the way. Jalen Brunson. Been with the same woman since high school.

[Alex]

Nice Jewish girl.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know what I'm saying?

[Chris]

Basketball players, at the end of the day, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Nah, I don't believe that. I see a level of discipline and maturity. That was the other thing that I saw that the spurs didn't have. The spurs are a bunch of kids playing against a bunch of grown men. Like, you know, neither one of them had finals experience, but those guys that they were on the court against, you know, in the Knicks uniforms, just had more experience, period. And you saw that shit show up. I don't even need. I don't need the Knicks to ever win another championship. It's great if they do.

[Chris]

Why not?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Let me tell you something, man. I saw. I can't remember the dude on first take. What's his name? His name? Vince or Victor. I'm gonna send you this clip, Chris. This is by far one of the worst takes I've ever heard.

[Chris]

You only get one. They gonna just think it's a fluke. They're gonna think, oh, everybody was hurt.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's what this guy said. I don't agree with that. I mean, like, there's no such thing. A ring is a ring, bro.

[Chris]

But some people can make the argument, like, you know how the. The championship in the bubble, they put an asterisk next to it?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, they do. They don't.

[Chris]

Give them full credit for that, Chip.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

A ring is a ring. You can't play.

[Alex]

This is a full ring. There's no asterisk.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Exactly.

[Chris]

But every team was hurt in the playoffs, like on both sides, east and West.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But that's the game. It's always like that this time of year.

[Alex]

Yeah, spurs were healthy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I mean, the spurs were healthy.

[Alex]

Look, let's say Giannis goes to Boston, which is, you know, when we're taping, it's looking like that's what's going to happen.

[Chris]

Whoa.

[Alex]

It's, you know, there are no guarantees in this thing.

[Chris]

Whoa.

[Alex]

I mean, you got to remember, who

[Chris]

would they have to give up?

[Alex]

They're talking about, like a three team trade, where they would route Jaylen Brown to, like, Atlanta or a team like that. Be a lot of draft picks.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I saw that.

[Alex]

All right, here's this clip.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Listen to this clip. This is one of the worst takes

[Alex]

I've ever heard in my life.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How do we know that any of the last eight champions are actually validated? Because they have not done it again. Giannis is itching to get out. Boston is thinking about trading Jaylen Brown. They don't believe in their one championship. LeBron's one championship in LA was not enough, so why would it be enough for us?

[Chris]

Validate is the Larry o' Brien that I put on that shelf and stays there forever. That's the validation, the Laker thing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, you mean participation, trophy Then I'm sorry.

[Alex]

Larry o' Brien is a participation trophy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

If everybody gets one, it is a actual trophy. You won the league that year.

[Chris]

Like to know that greatness is.

[Alex]

I literally don't understand what they're arguing about.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He don't know what the fuck he arguing about. I can't even. What's his name? That is one of the worst. We gotta find his name. That's one of the worst takes I've ever heard on television. The reason is one of the worst takes I've ever heard on television is because a ring is a ring. The reality of the situation is some rings mean more than others. This New York Knick ring, after the Knicks not winning a championship for 53 fucking years in the fashion that they did it, where they went, what, 16 and 3 in the playoffs.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Unfucking believable. That ring is worth more than. That ring. Is worth more than both rings LeBron got in Miami.

[Chris]

Whoa.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

LeBron's Cleveland ring is a ring. That's a big ring. Dwyane Wade's first Heat ring when he led them to the finals with Shaq. That's a ring. Dirk Nowitzki's 2011 Mavericks ring. That's a ring.

[Alex]

This is worth more than the Durant warriors ring.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Easy call.

[Chris]

Oh, yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Easy call.

[Alex]

Easy. I would love to discredit this in some way. This whole last two weeks has been very painful for me, but it is what it is.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, man. They did it. And I don't even understand. I don't how all of a sudden, the Larry o' Brien a. Participation.

[Chris]

Yeah. That's.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't know, you know how hard it is to win a championship. You play 82 games, you go. You do all this training for preseason, then you play 82 games, and you play another potential 20 games in the playoffs. And fucking. It's a participation trophy.

[Chris]

That's a horrible take right there.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Nah, I don't. Now we moving the goalposts now. You gotta win two rings to be considered legitimate. No.

[Alex]

Vincent Goodwill. Vincent, who's been around for a while, I remember him.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Vincent Goodwill.

[Alex]

He.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, it should be Vincent Bad take. That was horrible. Horrible, horrible. But shout out to the Knicks, man, it's been a beautiful thing to watch in the city of New York. Yo.

[Alex]

It's kind of a letdown now.

[Chris]

What?

[Alex]

I'm just saying, in New York, people got very into the rhythm of every other night. There's a Knickskin. Every third night, people are out on the streets, the bars. I mean, the World cup is actually picking Up a little bit of that slack.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Alex]

So the energies. But you can tell, like, once the World Cup's over, it's just going to be like, okay, now what?

[Chris]

Yeah, but the World cup will keep it going for a while. Because New York is so diverse that it's like every single town has a night that they're going up.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The World cup ain't got shit on New York Knicks basketball.

[Chris]

You don't understand.

[Alex]

World cup is.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You don't. Bigger than Goddamn. No, it's not. You don't understand. The World cup is not bigger than Knicks basketball in New York City. We just. We just felt this energy last week. World cup ain't bringing none of that to the city. Fuck out of here. Y' all are lying to yourself. No, it's not.

[Chris]

You go to, like, Washington Heights when. I don't know. Some team.

[Alex]

Yeah, Washington Heights. Alex, what's going to happen in Barcelona if Spain wins?

[Chris]

Oh, it's going to be crazy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They're going to tire up Barcelona.

[Alex]

I'm just saying, Worldwide. I don't know what happened in Argentina four years ago. It dwarfs whatever happened with New York.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Listen to what I said. I didn't say. I didn't say the World cup is bigger than NBA basketball. I said in New York City.

[Alex]

Oh, in New York, yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The World cup is not bigger than New York Knicks basketball.

[Alex]

That I agree with.

[Chris]

Okay? And I think if you go to, like, areas of New York, like Corona and Columbia's playing, it's going to be bigger. In that one pocket, I doubt. I'm telling you, they will tear shit down.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We're recording this the day before the parade, but we might put this. We should put this out before the parade. Jose asked me today. He said, how many people you think will be at the parade? I was like, I don't know. Probably like a million. That's what I said.

[Alex]

More.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Somebody informed me today, my guy, Ernie. Ernie said a million. Because I was telling him, he said a million. He said, charlemagne, when the Yankees win, it's 5 million people.

[Chris]

What?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

At the parade. That's what he told me. I said, five million. He said, there's five million people at the parade. For the Knicks, it might hit 10.

[Chris]

Whoa.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It might be double that.

[Alex]

It's gonna rain tomorrow, though.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, God know what. God know what he doing. God know what he doing. God knows what the fuck he is doing. God bless.

[Alex]

I made a doctor's appointment in Manhattan tomorrow morning. I'm almost. Yeah. I was like, do I even want to be in Manhattan tomorrow?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How hard Is it supposed to rain?

[Alex]

Let's see.

[Chris]

I was like debating whether to go to this parade. Cause they were saying it's like, yo, you don't get there super early, you won't even be able to see anything. And I'm like, I'm not standing out there for hours. I went to the game. I was good enough.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So what do you do after the

[Alex]

game after they win?

[Chris]

At first we were gonna go out to celebrate, but then we saw the energy of the area. We just got a little food.

[Alex]

Was that serious?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Chris]

Like everywhere, they were just driving around saying fuck you, cursing at every single person in the Knicks jersey, and they were trying to start fights.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Somebody should have just one. One SMD cuts all that slows all that down.

[Chris]

No, What SMD gets you killed.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You gotta try it one time. Suck my dick, Dixon. Five.

[Chris]

Nah, you try.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Alex]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, you on it?

[Alex]

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[Chris]

Wow.

[Alex]

So just, you know, three sprays at the end of every evening.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, it's just. Okay. All right.

[Alex]

At least that's what I'm taking. Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Alex]

Well, we do have crying Wemby, but we already covered that, I guess.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, Wemby sucks, bro. Like, he sucks, man. He's going to be good, but he's just not the dominant game changer that people think. Salute to Jelly Roll, man. Our guy Jelly Roll. Alex asked a good question earlier. Alex said I can. I don't know why you said this. Alex said, why is this story everywhere? I said, cause it's Jelly Roll. Jelly Roll is a huge star. You never know how big of a star you are until something bad happens.

[Chris]

Yeah, I like, I. It's our guy. So it's like I didn't realize how big he is. I know he won like, like the biggest award in country music or whatever, but at the same time, why is every single outlet covering the split?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Cause it's Jelly Roll. And Jelly Roll has been on a winning streak for a long time. You know what I mean? So this is like the first thing that you're like, ooh, some dirt on Jelly Roll. You Know what I mean? And it's not even dirt. It's just like he's getting a divorce. Which is horrible to see, you know? Cause him and his woman been together for a long, long time. But, oh, man, it just comes with the territory, I guess. I don't fucking know. Meaning the negative press comes with the territory, but it's not negative press. It's just his life. But I will say this. I hate that Jelly Roll's going through this, but, boy, I know that music gonna be fire. God damn. I know. Jelly Roll is about to give us some of the greatest music that we've ever heard in our lives. And this is like, you know, you getting a divorce, you got your new body now. You know what I mean? Like, it's like Jelly going through a whole new renaissance. Like, you know how we felt when Mary J. Blige was going through whatever she was going through? Akisha Cole was going through whatever she was going through. Jelly about to give us some shit. Some shit. But they were really praying for you, Jelly.

[Alex]

He's the. I mean, it says here he had a son with another woman last week. Who had a son with another woman, according to tmz. Jelly Roll.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Nah, nah. I don't believe that. No, I don't believe that. I don't believe that. Let me see what you see. On top of the drama.

[Chris]

No, one week for their wedding.

[Alex]

Oh, their wedding? Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Come on, Chris. Oh, no, but it said that. It said on top of the drama, one week before the wedding, Jelly Roll welcomed the son with another woman.

[Alex]

Right, but they were married in 2015, so I pushed up the time.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, but that don't mean nothing. No, because, I mean, she had to know about that, right? I mean, you don't. You know, shit happened. I don't know, man.

[Alex]

Was he at the White House thing?

[Chris]

I don't think so.

[Alex]

No.

[Chris]

I hope not.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, I don't think so.

[Alex]

Okay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Good salute to Jelly man. Prayers up for big Jelly Roll. What else we got, Chris? We just running through some things. Running through some. All memes necessary. Ooh, let's play that. Play Nicki Minaj on the Illuminati.

[Chris]

Was she speaking about you, Shawna?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

People do think I'm in the Illuminati. I was just having this conversation. Illuminati.

[Alex]

Real.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

My situation, it's very personal. There definitely is a group of people that have made things very difficult for me. One person didn't really like me, and they happened to be in a powerful position, and they were able to use their influence to make people go against me. However, it definitely has been spiritual. Now, who.

[Alex]

What they call themselves and what they

[Charlamagne Tha God]

proclaim to be, Only they could tell you that. Yeah, but is it. Has it been a, you know, spiritual warfare? Absolutely. If anything ever happened, I'd slide for you. I just want you to know that. I would totally slide. Illuminati, real. My Jesus. I don't know, man. I ain't got to that level to know if the Illuminati is real or not yet. But I do know that I have a comic book called Illuminati. Yeah, I put out five issues, and it may or may not be based on a true story. And the full graphic novel will be out June 23rd, I believe it is. So July 23rd, I don't remember, but it'll be out this summer. Okay, but it's called Illuminati, and look it up. I don't understand why people want to believe in secret societies.

[Chris]

Well, why would you put out comic books named after them?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Maybe that's because I'm playing with their emotions. But what I mean when I say that is if you look at something like the Epstein files, there's clearly some other shit going on. And they're going on. I think at. I think it's going on in those industries. This shit that's going on in the music industry. I don't think that's no secret society. I think that is just some people who have amassed some power. They've amassed some money, they've amassed some influence, and they might, you know, create a world, you know, within a world, but it don't have no real power. They're not making no real world decisions about things like, you know, somebody, you know, not liking you and, you know, conspiring against you to tell all his people, like, yo, I don't fuck with that individual. So now you're blackballed. Or they decide not to play your music, or they decide, you know, like how they like not to have you perform at certain venues and stuff like that. I don't know if that's like, secret society shit or just some people who got some power within the industry.

[Chris]

Yeah. So I would say it's people with power. But I think the whole secret society stuff is it makes other people feel good because it gives an explanation why they failed.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, no, I agree with that. People do want to justify their failures. So. Because I did the Grinch and Eggs podcast earlier. I was with Deontay Kyle and Big Ice Cub Cat, and I was. We were talking, and I Was like, man, I Remember back in 0506 watching, you know, videos about people in the industry being in the Illuminati and being like, oh, my God, these motherfuckers are sick. Like, look at the type of shit they do. Now I'm starring In those videos 20 years later, you know what I'm saying? 20 years later, I'm starring in these videos. You motherfuckers think, like, there's some wicked secret society and you gotta sacrifice gerbils and dudes suck X, Y, and Z to get to this place. And it's just like, nah, shit ain't that deep, bro.

[Chris]

But then also, you have some people lean into it. So then it keeps that, you know, all this talk going.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

If I lean into it, I'm leaning into it the same way I'm telling Victor when Bianna to lean into being a hill. Okay? You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm playing with people's emotions. Like, you know, if these algo bosses can monetize people's emotions on social media, how come I can't monetize people's emotions? When it comes to, you know, selling a comic book called Illuminati, you're not wrong. It may or may not be based on a true story. Read this comic book and then discuss it amongst your friends and, you know, try to figure out if Charlamagne's revealing industry secrets or not.

[Alex]

Like, I mean, have there been conspiracies in history? Sure. Are there conspiracies taking place right now as we speak?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes.

[Alex]

Sure. Is there a singular organization that requires a secret membership to. That is in charge of all those decisions or orchestrating all those conspiracies? No. I mean, unlikely. Right.

[Chris]

So you can't say no for certain, though.

[Alex]

Well, you know, you can't say no for certain because we know that there's something like the Skull and Crossbones Club at Yale, Right? Which traditionally.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's not a secret.

[Alex]

Well, you know, we. It's not a secret because we know it. But the membership is a secret. The initiative initiation rights are secret. That part of it is secretive. So there are.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I can go for any fraternity.

[Alex]

What?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I can go for any fraternity, any sorority. They're their. Is a secret how they do their initiations and their hazing and stuff like that.

[Alex]

Right. But it just means people do set up these sort of infrastructures and these.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

These clubs, and they're not secret is what I'm saying.

[Chris]

But I think with a fraternity, you can look up the members or the people who Are.

[Alex]

What about Freemasons? Can you look up who's a Freemason? I don't know. I don't think you could.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, listen, what about the American government? What about the Israeli government?

[Chris]

Like, you know, like, you know, all the elected officials and people like that. We just don't know the lobbyists.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No. We can look up to who the lobbyists are, though, for the most part. I'm just saying there's all these conspiracies that happen within the government. Right. Like, the CIA is not a secret society, but they got mad secrets that we don't know about.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Alex]

I mean, I think what's different with this era is a lot of the stuff you would have seen happening behind the scenes or being secretive is happening right out front. Right. Like, if there was one person who would be in the Illuminati in the world right now, who's that person?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Elon Musk.

[Alex]

Exactly.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Alex]

In the past, he would have been moving behind the scenes in the shadows. This guy's really not trying to hide anything that he's doing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

None of them are like, it's all

[Alex]

out in front right now. So the. Do you even need an Illuminati right now?

[Chris]

See, I feel like the Ross Rothschild. Yeah. Because it's like they're not in the public and, you know, they still running a lot of stuff.

[Alex]

Yeah. But to the degree that they once did. I don't know. I mean, there's a lot of Elon smoking mirrors. Absolutely. But you know what he just did with space? You know, like.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

There's no unfucking belief secret to that.

[Alex]

Right. Like, it's all happening out in front, which is what feels different right now.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Did you see this shit? Peter Thiel's secret society of 200 plus elites just got leaked. I was at the dialog list called Dialog.

[Alex]

Who's on it?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Who's founded in 06 by Peter Thiel and Oren Hoffman. Invitation only. No public website, no member list. A researcher found 113 names hidden in dialog website code. The same hacker who exposed the US no fly list in 2023. Files included personal emails, phone numbers, emergency contacts, and looking for love flags. In the directory, Palantir co founder Joe Lonsdale, YouTube CEO Neil Mohon, Intuit co founder Scott Cook, a Neuralink director, a Google Global Vice president, Microsoft's former Xbox President. Also in the directory, Treasury Secretary Scott Bissent, Senator Ted Cruz, Army Secretary Dan Driscoll, NATO's top commander in Europe, Jared Kushner. The leaked agenda includes Panels on cult building, sex, and prepping for World War 3. One session is titled Is Fun to be in Charge. An associated app offers matchmaking dialogues. Chairman Arin Hoffman co founded LiveRamp, founded SafeGraph. Both classified as data brokers. His own data just leaked. A spokesperson for TEAL did not respond to requests for comment. Let me tell you something.

[Alex]

I can't lie. I mean, if you were gonna paint a picture of the Illuminati, that's kind of what it would look like.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But that's my point. How are these people like that? They exist, right? But you think the head of the Illuminati is Jay Z. That don't sound fucking insane. No. Elon Musk just made a trillion dollars. There is no. There's not a bar that Jay Z could spit that's more influential than what Elon Musk can do today with a push of a button.

[Chris]

But I could see people make the case for it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I can't.

[Chris]

I never understood the line, there's a secret society. All we ask is trust.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's not even his line. That's from a movie or TV show or something. What's that from? But that's from the show.

[Chris]

But that's what I'm saying. When you. It's like you're playing with people. Because if they think you're in a secret society and then you're putting lines like that in your songs, then it's like, all right, maybe it is. It's the same thing. Like what you're doing with the book,

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Flagrant Cruel is a secret society. I mean, maybe we like who we are here, bro. This is secret society. We got things that we keep amongst each other.

[Chris]

I'm just saying why people can make a case for it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I can't. It blows my mind when I see. When I read stories like that. But then you'll have somebody. And I'm not saying this about Nicki, period, but just people believing that only the music industry or hip hop is the Illuminati. No, what I just read to you is the actual, real Illuminati.

[Alex]

The music industry's just a little blip on their. I'll put it to you like this. When I was working on books with Russell Simmons, right? I go out with him in the Hamptons, and he was hanging around with some real money guys. Like, big, big money guys. And I was talking to one of them. I was like, you know, you guys seem to like chilling with Russell. This is before all the controversy around Russell, obviously.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Meanwhile, they probably was doing worse than

[Alex]

Anything Russell knows, but they were kind of like, I don't want to. A mascot sounds kind of derogatory. Like, I'm not saying that, like, but he was just kind of. It was cool to be able to say, oh, there's this person from the music industry and he's around, and it's kind of fun. But, like, the level of influence and wealth and access between him and them was glaring.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's not even exposed, man. Like, it.

[Alex]

You would go with these guys, and it was just like a whole different level. And he knew that he never thought he was on their level. And he kind of knew what his role was to a degree. But that's the role. It's not equals.

[Chris]

Also, there's like, a negative connotation with secret societies. And it's just like, hey, what if we just operating at a different level and we get along with each other because we're all at this level that you're not, and you can do stuff that you can't relate to. So it's like, to people outside, it looks like a secret society. To us, it's just, hey, this is just our friend group, bro. That's just all what it is.

[Alex]

Is it a group chat or is it a secret society?

[Chris]

Yeah, exactly.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The shit. The logic don't make no sense to me. Like, I was even sitting back this week, like, watching everybody be mad at Jay Z, right? You know, the fake outrage. You know, people have Jay Z derangement syndrome. It's actually insane to me. But they're mad because he. Our reasonable doubt is coming out is a Target Vinyl exclusive.

[Chris]

Okay, I saw that.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But if you go on Target's website, that's like, the norm for every major artist. Like, GNX was a Target Vinyl exclusive. J. Cole, the fall off was a Target Vinyl exclusive. Taylor Swift has Target exclusives up there. Fucking Nicki Minaj with Prank Friday had Target exclusives. My point is, the boycott's been a year. J. Cole, fall off came out a couple of months ago. Why didn't they get no smoke?

[Chris]

Yeah, that is weird.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Why is the smoke reserved for Jay? Like.

[Alex]

Well, I can make the counter argument.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay, please.

[Alex]

The counter argument I would think would be he staked out more of a position as a social activist.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Kendrick and Cole.

[Alex]

Well, I would say Jay Z does more than Cole.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Jay Z does more, but nobody gives him credit for it. Kendrick and Cole are actually especially Kendrick. They're the. They're like the symbols of social consciousness. Right.

[Alex]

But I associate him more with actual work in organizations, and that Sort of thing. Right. So I would say he's been more out front with that. You could also make the argument he's reached a level of financial commercial success that they haven't. He doesn't, quote, need it. I would assume the way that maybe you could argue they still need that. At that. At this point in.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't think none of them need it. And then the crazy thing what makes it exclusive is the color. Because it's so. It's because it's white. Because the vinyl is actually white. That's what. That's why it's called an exclusive.

[Alex]

Right.

[Chris]

So what the.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Is that?

[Chris]

It's coming out everywhere. It's just.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, it's on. It's on there. It's on Rock.

[Alex]

The Rock.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What is it? The Rock. Something website now? I can't remember the exact website, but it's on the website now. It's not even just exclusive to Target.

[Alex]

I would assume people are just saying, we don't want him to fuck with Target.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Period. Right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But don't y' all think that's confusing to me? This is the same. The irony of this situation is the same thing with the actual boycott to begin with.

[Alex]

Right?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Because Target wasn't the only company that got rid of his diversity, equity and inclusion programs. Google, Meta, Amazon, Lowe's, McDonald's, all of these different entities. But you didn't boycott any of them. But you just said, hey, we're gonna focus on Target. You gotta give me some logic behind it.

[Alex]

There's no logic. We're all hyp. I mean, it comes back to the conversation of we're all hypocrites. It's just to what? You know, I bitch and moan about all these organizations celebrating Trump, propping up Trump, working with Trump. Trump. I still make my Amazon prime order every day. I still shop where I shop. I'd like not to. Right. I'd like to somehow divest myself from all these places that I feel are funding this and make me compromise. But it's a real struggle. And I think that's why so many people don't know what to do in this moment, because the reach of these corporations is just tremendous right now.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Is it? You're on Metta every day, right? Where these techno lords are literally monetizing your emotions.

[Alex]

Right?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The cloud capital is conflict. Do you think that they don't see a story like this Jay Z, Target story and say, hmm, let's amplify that? That's. That's got them going. That's got them, you know, Going back and forth with each other. That's what we need for the day. I'm telling y', all, read the book Techno Feudalism, what killed capitalism. The reason I even brought that up though, is how do you have more smoke and more fake outrage? And I'm putting fake. That's why I put it in air quotes. Put Jay Z than you do Elon Musk becoming a fucking trillionaire this week.

[Alex]

It's not even the same conversation.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's not even the same conversation. But there's one you should really clearly be upset about. One really, really should piss you the fuck off. And it's not him having a fucking vinyl at Target, bro.

[Alex]

Right?

[Chris]

Like, that's like. Unfortunately, our community tends to do that. We tear each other down way more than we do anything else.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But bothers me so much.

[Chris]

I think two things with the Target, if I'm not mistaken, not only did they remove the DEI stuff, they also used to have like a section of like black owned products that they got rid of.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, that's still there.

[Chris]

During the time they removed that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think it's still there.

[Chris]

I'm pretty sure they did. I think that's why people were really outraged. And then.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Cause you had the people that had products there, they were saying like, well, damn, what about us? That's what they were saying to the people. They was like, yo, y' all boycotting Target. But we just got our stuff in the store, right?

[Alex]

Like Target. And I know this from experience because like loudspeakers did a lot of initiatives with them stuff. They spent a ton of money supporting African American creators and makers and, you know, gave them shelf space, drove a lot of business to them. And I had that conversation with some people where I'm like, all right, they've pulled back from it. But to your guys point, those people are still on the shelves. They still need the business. Aren't you kind of cutting off your nose to spite your face if you now pull out of this? Because they've backed away from the larger initiative. It was called like the Makers or section or something like that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Then a couple months ago, passenger Jamal Bryant said that the boycott was over. Then he said the boycott wasn't over. It was the fast that was over. Which I didn't know was the difference between the talking fast and talking boycott. Then Tameka Mallory, who you know, and Nina Turner, I love both of them. That's my family, they both said that the boycott's still on. Then you had the activists in Minnesota, the young ladies. I can't Remember their names. The young ladies who started the boycott, they said that it's still on. Then they started beefing with Tameka, Nina and Jamal. So it's just like after, at some point, all of this, all of it starts to look just unserious.

[Chris]

But then. So now the other thing is like, all right, where does this even start? Because now that I'm understanding how this clipper stuff and how the Internet works, it's like, who's really motivating people to be upset at Jay Z? Like, who did Jay Z piss off where they are? This is a targeted effort into try to fuck over Jay Z. Where's it coming from, Alex? Because it's not. People upset that he put his record in.

[Alex]

Don't open Pandora's box.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I know that, Alex. Now you understand what I'm saying? Saying these algo bosses, these tech lords, they monetize our emotions. The cloud capital is conflict. I know they look at the Internet and they see little things that might have a little rumbling and they amplify them. I know. This is what happens.

[Chris]

Oh, so you don't even think. I think that there's like somebody paying for people to maybe.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think it's a little bit of both. I think somebody could be paying to do it. But I also think that these people that work at these companies know. Here's the thing. That's why I keep telling y' all read this book. Techno feudalism will kill capitalism. In the book it talks about how where the actual resource. Every day they're mining us for engagement and for data. So they gotta keep us on these apps for as long as possible. The way to do that is conflict. You will sit there and be arguing on your motherfucking phone all day with a bunch of people you don't fucking know. That's how they keep good.

[Alex]

A bunch of people is the best case scenario. More likely you're arguing with bots.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's what I'm saying. No, you're right, you're right, you're right. That's not. Well, that's the article that 50% of, you know, most people on social media now are bots. But my point is there's somebody at these companies amplifying all of this shit that's gonna keep us arguing with each other. That's how they keep us on these apps. That whole shit that they used to tell us about. You can attract more flies with honey than you can do with vinegar. Bullshit. Bullshit. The vinegar keeps us on fucking social media. That's what we like. We like that bitter shit. That shit. It's actually really crazy to watch. Like, you heard of what's the shit called? Cursor. Cursor. Michael True, the 25 year old CEO of Cursor. SpaceX bought them yesterday for $60 billion in stock. He's 25 years old. SpaceX bought him for $60 billion in stock yesterday. He's got an AI company. Not one Illuminati rumor, not one gay rumor. Nobody's in an outrage about, you know, him being a capitalist and him not caring about his community. None of that. White guy, 25 years old, 60 billion with a beat. You could take Jay Z 10 times, Rihanna 10 times, put their wealth together, and they still don't got 60 billion in stock. But who gets all the rumors placed on them? Who gets slandered on social media for weeks at a time?

[Alex]

Well, whoever that kid is also hasn't put himself out to the public the way that Jay Z and Rihanna have.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Jay Z and Rihanna don't say shit.

[Alex]

No, but they're pub. The equivalent would be like, if who's like a fucking white country star.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay, well, let's go back. Okay, fair point, Chris. Okay, what about the guy who bought them?

[Chris]

Who bought who?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

SpaceX is. Who bought them? Elon Musk is always in the public eye. He just made a trillion dollars. Why is he not getting his ass handed to him this week?

[Chris]

I feel he gets a lot of credit.

[Alex]

No, they've tried to hand him his ass. It doesn't matter.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know why? Because he could just change the algorithm. Turn that off. They talking about how y'.

[Chris]

All.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How dare y' all get on my app and talk about me while y' all driving in your Teslas. Matter of fact, make their Tesla not start for a couple hours, make the drain a battery real quick, press the off button, make that not crank today. The like. I just want y' all to think about the hypocrisy. You're sitting in your Tesla on fucking X complaining about capitalists. And usually the capitalists you're complaining about are the black ones. Meanwhile, you continue to make these techno lords rich as fuck.

[Alex]

I wish rich was the end of it. I mean, he's the most dangerous man in the world right now. His influence is so, so incredible right now. And, you know, I don't even know where to begin with. I mean, you know, that whole Dodge thing is looking like Doge. Doge, whatever the fuck it is. That's the biggest disaster in American history. You know, like, I do let this fucking guy in there to fucking go crazy for three months and then pretend it never happened. And then he gets the fucking biggest IPO in the world, fucking a year later. And like nobody's connecting the dots or worried about what it means. It's mind boggling.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Chris. This man put up $250 million for Donald Trump's campaign.

[Alex]

That we know of.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That we know of. Used X to amplify MAGA messaging and suppress other messaging, right? And two years later, he's a trillionaire.

[Chris]

That's crazy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What the. Are we retarded?

[Alex]

Yes.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Are we? Are we?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Can nobody just connect that simple dot? I got this man elected. He gave me a. Let's take another step back. I got this man elected. He gave me first dibs. Hey, hey. Here, Elon, take your chainsaw. Go do what the fuck you need to do, right? He took a chainsaw to the federal government because he paid for that.

[Alex]

Was obviously in retrospect, a smokescreen for something else, a diversionary tactic. I still don't know what he did in reality. I suspect it was somehow fucking manipulate the voting process. And we're going to get the fucking bill for that in November is what I predict.

[Chris]

Oh, I thought he just has every person in America's information. Probably has everything.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Social Security number.

[Chris]

He probably has everything.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's a great point, Chris. What the fuck was that about?

[Alex]

Do you think he really cared about killing $15 million worth of research in Uganda? And $20 million for pediatric cancer? He doesn't give a fuck one way or the other. That's what really struck me this weekend. You gotta remember this guy Rose as a progressive hero, right? He rode that wave. He manipulated that narrative. I'm creating these electric cars. They're gonna save the environment. I'm environmental. He rode that for as long as it was worthwhile for him. He tricked me and then he fucking threw that shit away. Yeah, and then he rode the. Well, I'm an economic reformer. I'm gonna fucking save America money. Cause I'm gonna apply my bullshit. That was about something else. We still don't know what it was really about.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Whatever information he got, it made him a trillionaire. And to your point, who knows what else is going to come of that in the future. But where's the outrage? Think about the shit the man is fear got. They still on Rogan and Schultz and Theo Vaughn's head for getting the president elected. There's nobody who was more instrumental in getting the president elected than Elon Musk. And we made him a trillionaire.

[Alex]

We rewarded him we rewarded him.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And don't say you didn't, because you're on X every day and he's monetizing your emotions. Okay? Every day. Every single day, he's mining attention and data from you. I want you to think about it like you're a mine and you're. And how you can get diamonds from a mine. That's what we are every day with social media, our emotions. He's using conflict to do it. Our attention, our data. And we willingly have given it to him, every single one of us. I don't go on. I haven't been on X since 2018. You are on that digital plantation picking digital cotton for free every day. And the only way that we'll be able to overthrow the Technolords is by disconnecting.

[Chris]

All right, I'm going to other stuff, though. You're on the YouTube.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm on Instagram. I'm not lying. I'm not acting like I'm not.

[Chris]

All right?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm a crackhead.

[Alex]

I'm deleting. The only one I have left is Instagram.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Instagram is the only one I have left to.

[Alex]

Goodbye.

[Chris]

You got to deactivate. You can't just delete. We know that.

[Alex]

One step at a time.

[Chris]

Yeah, we know that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

To be honest with you, it's kind of pointless for you to do it at this point because they already got all your data and everything.

[Alex]

They have my data. There's nothing exciting going on. I'm worried about the emotional toll. Like, I have to leave my daughter at home. She's nervous about staying by herself. She's talking about she's going to go on her ADHD medication while we're gone. I was like, you don't need to go on fucking medication to make sure you're more focused and organized. You need to get off your fucking phone.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Get off your phone.

[Alex]

That's what's scrambling your fucking mind. I was like, the idea that, like, to lock in. You need medication where. This is what's fucking stealing your focus. This is what's causing anxiety.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Anxiety, depression.

[Alex]

This is what's freaking you out about the world.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's right.

[Alex]

That's got to be the first step. And if that doesn't work and you got to take something for adhd. Okay, let's talk about that. But the fact that that's your first step, it's killing me, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I read. I read Digital Minimalism by Cal Newport damn near a decade ago. I read from the Internet to the Internet how to. I think, how to disconnect. From the Internet to reconnect with your soul, basically. And the things that these guys were talking about damn near a decade ago, it's gotten progressively worse. And I had Cal on Breakfast Club, and I think Cal might even did brandiers, but he definitely did my TV show. I want to talk to them again, because I feel like things are worse than they even predicted, than they even imagined that they would be, because they weren't talking about things like techno feudalism. They were comparing what's going on on social media to the tobacco industry, and they were talking about the addictiveness of it. All right? But now we're talking about capitalism evolving into this entity called techno feudalism, and that is scary. I'm read y' all the actual definition of techno feudalism before we move on and pay some bills. Techno feudalism is a concept suggesting that capitalism has been replaced by a new economic system where big tech companies function like medieval feudal lords. Instead of land, these tech giants control digital platforms, algorithms, and networks, extracting rent from users and smaller businesses who rely on them to survive. That's where we are at this point. And the only way to overthrow these technical laws, if it's not too late, is by disconnected. And, you know, when I did Grinch the eggs earlier, and I was having this conversation with Mouse this weekend, salute to mouse, he was saying, well, how are we supposed to get messaging out without social media? And I said, the same way we got it out before social media, through books, through radio, through podcasts. Now, in art, we forget about art, we forget about books, and we forget about art. You know how much I learned from reading? You know how much I learned from watching movies? How much I learned from watching films? There's a fantastic movie coming up called how to Rob a Bank, okay? And Pete Davidson is in it. Zoe Kravitz is in it. Dude who plays Lex Luthor, I can't remember his name. He's in it. And the movie is about these. This crew of people who start robbing banks. They record all of their heists, and then they produce their heists and put them out on YouTube. And the series is called how to Rob a Bank.

[Chris]

Oh, I think we're in it. I think flagrant.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Flagrant is definitely in how to rob a bank. 100% flagrant is in how to rob a bank. That's actually a really good scene. But the movie is just showing how they're not really robbing the bank. They're getting revenge on the system. It shows you how if you don't take Care of the least of us. The least of us will eventually rebel against you. Every single person in that movie has a reason to do what it is that they're doing. Pete Davidson is a army veteran who has lung cancer and he's got a young child. He came back from Afghanistan, didn't have nothing. This country gave him a fuck you, so he's giving this country a fuck you back. The other couple has a child, I think that died because of health issues at 4 years old. But you end up rooting for these people throughout this whole movie and it shows how what they were doing just became a trend in society. Because I'm paraphrasing here, but there's a part in the movie where they're like, you got a better chance of robbing a bank and getting money than you do of living this so called American dream and having a livable wage in this country. Wow. And the movie looks like it's based on actual data and statistics. That shit is great, yo.

[Chris]

And it's like, I think they used to either live stream the bank heist or they would like record it and

[Charlamagne Tha God]

put it out as a music video. They would live stream some of them and then record the other ones. But they produced it as a TV show so they would, they would livestream it. But then they know some of them were live stream. Some of them weren't. One of them, one of them was definitely a live stream. But they, they, they record it and they produce it.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And put it out on YouTube. This shit is dope. Like it was a very, very, very dope movie. I forgot why I even started talking about that.

[Alex]

You saw it already.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I did, I saw it. I saw it last week actually. But why the fuck do we start talking about that? I don't remember. All I'm simply saying is, oh yes, disconnecting art. That is a movie that has messaging through art. Like it's teaching you about how wicked this capitalist system is and what is going to be the end result if we don't start taking care of the least of us. It's only a matter of time before people rebel. And I'm telling you something, America, it's going to be white people. I'm telling you that right fucking thing.

[Alex]

Are we the ones rebelling or are we getting rebelled against?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Y' all are rebelling because this is,

[Alex]

this is working class white people. Huh? Working class white people, working class. Well, even middle class. Because there's no middle class anymore.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

There's no middle class anymore. Like at some point there's going to be middle class white people who realize that their life is changing and they're like, wait a minute.

[Alex]

But white people have a very difficult time identifying who's actually keeping them down.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, they don't. No, they don't. Who raided the Capitol when they thought that their democracy was being stolen through votes? Right.

[Alex]

That's my entire point. That wasn't the actual enemy in that

[Charlamagne Tha God]

case, who killed the United Healthcare CEO?

[Alex]

Well,

[Charlamagne Tha God]

what color was he? Who is taking multiple shots at the President of the United States of America?

[Alex]

I'm saying, for the most part, the mass of white people, especially working class white people, vote against their own self interests, act against their own self interest. That's historically always been the case.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And there's a lot who don't. And so what I'm asking folks now, whenever I see any of these crazy stories, whether it's Epstein files, whether it's what's going on, Iran, Israel, I don't want to hear nothing. I got one simple question. What are white people going to do about it? What are white people going to do about it? This is your country. And you see your country changing into something that I don't even think you want. Because the reality is democracy is democracy. And people who know what democracy is and have felt democracy want to hold on to that when they see that shit being sold, just literally sold to the technolords, the other countries. At some point there's gonna be a mass rebellion and it's gonna come from white people.

[Alex]

I don't feel it coming anytime soon.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Chris is already happening. This is happening in small waves. And this how to rob a bank movement with other art like this.

[Alex]

But techno lords, I mean, yeah, they're a problem, but you know, they're trans people using women's bathrooms.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Chris, we gotta stop. Chris is being sarcastic. I don't want anybody. No, but like, seriously, Chris is being sarcastic.

[Alex]

And there are immigrants eating dogs.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Chris is being sar. No, like, Chris is being sarcastic. If you knew the brilliant idiots and you don't understand. Chris.

[Alex]

Serious fucking issues.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Chris, you're white and Jewish. They're going to think you're. No, Chris said that. They don't. They don't think you're being honest right now.

[Alex]

They're. They're immigrants stealing money places, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Chris is being sarcastic. This is sarcastic.

[Alex]

So like, let's take this one step at a time, man. So imagine you went into a fucking bathroom and there's a trance like, I can't worry about a fucking feudal Lord, man. There's somebody in the bathroom. But they won a fucking medal at my kids swim meet, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know how fucked up that is. But to Chris's point, those issues are easier to grasp onto. It's easier to get people robbed.

[Alex]

He trained really fucking hard, man. It wasn't fair.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I get what Chris is saying. It's easier to get people outraged.

[Alex]

She would have gotten third place. No, I'm serious, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's fucked up. It's easy.

[Alex]

My daughter would have gotten third place at the fucking local swim meet.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Third. She would have got a bronze.

[Alex]

She would have gotten a fucking bronze medal. She cried, man. She cried after that meet. I didn't know what to tell her. How could I tell her that the other kid had a penis? How could I tell her that?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's easier to get people worked up and outraged over stuff like that because they can understand it more. They don't understand what's really going on. But that's why this movie, like how to Rob a Bank is very, very, very good. Speaking of that.

[Chris]

But if there was any credibility to that story, you saw there was a terrorist plot on that whole UFC event.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes, Three people. Yeah, they stopped three people from fucking blowing that shit up. And they said they only wanted to do it. They wanted to take out the rich and the elite.

[Alex]

Well, they got half of it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, I'm just. That's all. I'm just saying like if. And by the way, it's not. I'm not even gonna sit here and say if, when. Cause they ain't shit gonna change, guys.

[Chris]

But you're not encouraging that. Because they try to twist your words up and make it seem like you're encouraging that type of stuff.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm not encouraging nothing. I'm just telling you what is actually going to happen in this society. It's already happening. We're watching it happen. It's going to be more of it. The more economically scratched people get, you know, the more people can't take care of their basic needs. I know that they're hoping that everybody just bows down and take this universal basic income that they start giving folks to pacify them. No, people are not going to go for that because too many people are going to die way before that happens. Too many people are not going to have health care and not going to be able to go to the hospital and take care of their basic needs and they're going to fucking die. Too many people are going to get evicted and be homeless on the street. Before any of that happens, there is going to be a massive revolt at some point. And it's going to be white people who lead the charge.

[Alex]

I'm going to be leading the way. I'm going to grab that fucking bronze medal that my daughter fucking deserves. I'm going to put it around her neck, I'm going to say, God bless fucking America. And then things are going to be better.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh God, let's pay some bills, Alex.

[Chris]

This is brilliant.

[Alex]

Idiots.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

This is.

[Chris]

Jokes, guys, jokes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm not joking. Chris is being. I'm not joking.

[Alex]

Nah, I got to admit, I got to take a l. I underestimated how serious some of this shit was. I was. I'm sorry. Is that camera on? Is this.

[Chris]

Yes.

[Alex]

I'm sorry, America. I didn't understand.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I didn't understand, man.

[Alex]

When that tear dripped down. My daughter is crying. She at the swim meet. What did I tell her?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Chris]

No, you don't understand.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It went perfectly. Real offer down to the penny. They're picking it up tomorrow. Nothing went wrong. So what's the problem? That is the problem.

[Chris]

Nothing in my life goes as smoothly.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm waiting for the catch. Maybe there's no catch. That's exactly what a catch would want me to think. Wow.

[Alex]

You need to relax.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I need a knock on wood. Do we have wood? Is this table wood? I think it's laminate.

[Chris]

Okay. Yeah, that's good.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's close enough. Car selling without a catch. Sell your car today on Carvana. Pick up fees may apply. Church announcements man, just keep watching. The Breakfast Club on Netflix. Thank you, man. I love being live on Netflix every morning. If you haven't heard, the Breakfast Club is live on Netflix every day. 6am to like 9:15, 9:20. Like, you know, the whole show screams live, even the behind the scenes. So even when we're not on air, you know, you see myself and DJ Envy and Jess, hilarious. And Lauren LaRosa just, you know, cutting up in the studio with the producers and everybody else. So thank you to everybody that's been watching, man. We appreciate y'. All. Little John's book will be out in October. It's available for pre order now. So go do that. I'll send you a haul. Book still available everywhere. You buy books right now. Two chains. Books still available everywhere. You buy books right now. Oh, life is good. Alex, what you got?

[Chris]

I got a few events actually going on this summer. My first one is the showcase comedy show I do every month. It's called Canceled comedy. That's going to be on June 24th here in the city. Some of the people we got on there is Catelyn Palufo, Jay Jardin, Mark Norman, Natalie Cuomo, Sam J. Vixat. Yeah, we got like a lot of funny guys. I'm producing it. We put out clips from the show that is June 24th. And then the following month, July 25th, I do a tennis clinic where I basically rent out four courts here in the city. We have all. We have a bunch of coaches, all different skill levels. So if you never picked up a tennis court, I mean a racket, or if you're pretty good, we have the skill level for you. And yeah, that's just a fun day. We have music, giveaway, food, all that type of stuff. That also is here in the city. That is at theall loveracketclub.com that's where you can get your tickets for that. And then, yeah, Tune in every Sunday at 11am my show, a.m. mornings, it's a live calling show I do. We talk about news, pop culture.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How's that going?

[Chris]

That stuff, it's really fun. I have a nice little community growing. Like, people actually tune in live, and then if you can't tune in live, you can just watch the next day on either Spotify or YouTube.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Dope.

[Chris]

Yeah, it's really cool. You gotta call in one of these days. I'm trying to find a good topic for you that, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'll be asleep on Sunday morning. Sunday morning.

[Chris]

I mean, 11am sure. We run two hours. You'll be up, bro.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's a lot. All right, well, no, 11:00am no, no, I'll be up by 11:00am Unless I sleep in. I'll be up by 11:a.m. for the most part.

[Chris]

But yeah, no, it's a really fun show. AM mornings, you can catch us on YouTube and Spotify.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

All right, let's. Let's do some asking idiots, man. Let's do some asking idiots, man. Since it's just me here and no Hezekiah Walker. Oh, Chris, did you see this about. Damn, I just lost it. How Jeffrey Epstein said. Who?

[Alex]

Nerd rat.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, how he said that he had a bunch of stuff on Trump and he was using it to keep himself out of jail.

[Alex]

Yep.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. It said. Newly uncovered notes suggest Jeffrey Epstein believed he had damaging information about Donald Trump and during Trump's first term, tried using that information to avoid prison. Man, oh, man, you're a historian, Chris. Has there ever been a president that has been this compromised by so many different people?

[Alex]

Not even remotely.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Not even remotely.

[Alex]

Damn.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Who you think had him? Who you think had more control? Talk it to the mic, Chris.

[Alex]

Oh, recording. I stand by everything I just said.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay. He said, Chris said. Not even close. So. So who had him first?

[Alex]

I believe the Russians had him first.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The Russians had him first.

[Alex]

I believe the Russians basically propped him up to a degree. They never thought it would work. Right. I mean, look, even if you take out Trump's moral or lack of morals out of the equation, right? Because I think that's ultimately how they compromised him. Just the amount of financial corners he backs himself into over his career, where he builds things up and trashes them and goes bankrupt and has to rebuild and get new funding, he was constantly on the hunt for money. Who's been flushed to give money to whoever wants it at a price.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Damn.

[Alex]

Over the last 25 years.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Damn.

[Alex]

The Russians. Also the Chinese, but mainly the Russians. And if you look at. I believe It's Deutsche bank, the bank that's bailed him out a lot of times over the years that has ties to the Russians. It starts to add up, and then, I don't know. Let's say you're a guy who's best friends with a known sex criminal.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Pedophile. Pimp.

[Alex]

Pimp. I don't know what your own particular tastes and habits are, but would it be outrageous to suggest that you're attracted to younger women? I'm not saying children, but I'm just saying you have a history of dating younger women. Russia is always quick to provide what's known as honey pots. Younger women that compromise older, richer men who lack discipline in that area, let's say.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So who did Epstein work for? That's what I. Who was he?

[Alex]

I think Epstein worked for Epstein. Like, I don't buy necessarily the narrative that he was a Mossad agent that was sent here on a mission to compromise all these rich Americans. I think at a certain.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That don't just happen by.

[Alex]

No, no, no. And obviously, I don't know. None of us know. But my guess is that at a certain. I think Epstein was going to do what Epstein did regardless. I think Epstein was a guy who always wanted to be around beautiful women and lots of money just to be a complete reductionist, just to take it down. He wanted to be around power. He wanted to be around money. He wanted to be around beautiful women, young women. And over time, he figured out how to court those sort of relationships and leverage those sorts of relationships. And he understood that there are a lot of really rich guys out there who one of their maybe many Achilles heels is wanting to be around young, attractive women. And he figured out how to leverage it. And then at a certain point, I think a Mossad, but maybe also other intelligence agencies notice what's going on because they have tentacles everywhere, and they know about this shit, and they're watching the same people, and they say, this guy might not be a bad asset right here. He's already doing it. And then if you want to get really conspiratorial, if that's a word, then maybe he's a little more prone to work with a Mossad because he's Jewish and because he has those connections and there's a cultural affinity, whatever you want to call it, that's all within the realm of possibility. Sure. I don't think that they constructed him would be my guess. I think they identified him for sure.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But we do that.

[Alex]

I mean, every country does that, right? You know, England goes around historically, over the years, and they identify people in different countries that could be useful to them. And then the fire is already going a little bit and then they throw a little bit of gas on it and give that person and then they build it up. But like, they don't generally create people wholesale from scratch, if that makes sense.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So you think it's Russia, Epstein, then Bibi Netanyahu?

[Alex]

Well, you know. You mean in terms of how, like, how like he's being manipulated? Yeah, I mean, I'm being manipulated.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We know it was definitely those three entities. Right, right. But in what order did they happen?

[Alex]

Well, obviously Epstein happened first because Epstein and Trump had a relationship way predating his presidency.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, got you, got you.

[Alex]

They were friends by both of their admissions. They were best friends.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Got you.

[Alex]

All right. So that relationship predates Trump in politics in this sort of way. You know, I think what's interesting that's going to happen now is you're seeing a lot of people on the right, you know, people traditionally and media outlets in Israel that have supported Bibi, they're turning against Trump now because they don't like the deal or, you know, this thing's not even a deal. To call it a deal is generous, but they don't like the proposed deal. And now the right wing media platforms in Israel are starting to attack Trump. And you've also seen Trump start to attack Bibi a little bit.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You've seen those leaks about Trump went off on Bibi Netanyahu.

[Alex]

I always feel like all of that's for show, though. I always feel like I could see Trump being like, look, I gotta like throw some shots your way right now. I'm losing ground at home. Just eat it and you'll still get what you want in the long run. Yeah, I could see a scenario like that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Trump versus Bibi. I got Israel in five. I'm telling you that right now. That got Israel in five.

[Chris]

But they still rely on us for a lot.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Nah, buddy, nah. Because we keep forgetting one thing. You keep saying us, Trump keeps saying me. And you know, if he got a. If it's between saving himself and the American people, guess who Donald, President Donald Trump is going to choose every single time, right? President Donald Trump. And I think that somebody like Bibi Netanyahu knows that. So whatever they got on him, boy must be good. All right, let's do some asking idiots, man. Let's do some asking idiots, man. Some asking idiots, man. Some asking idiots. Eugenius Williams says, do you ever get tired of the false narratives put out about you by other media platforms. Wow, Eugenius Williams, fantastic question. Do I ever get tired of the false narratives put out by other media platforms? Yes. The answer, of course, to that would be yes. Like, who wants to constantly hear false narratives put out about you on other media platforms? But I don't get tired of them enough to try to correct me, because I'm fully aware that nobody cares about the truth when the lie is more entertaining. And like I said earlier, it's funny when you go from, you know, 2004, 2005, 2006, being online, reading about the Illuminati and reading about these people that y' all thought were these larger than life figures who just was controlling so many things. And I believed a lot of that shit in 05 06. And like I said, 20 years later, I'm starring it. I'm starring it in a lot of those YouTube videos about the Illuminati.

[Chris]

So I want to star one day.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's what I'm saying. And I'm about to say that it's flattering in a way. It's flattering that I guess I've accomplished enough to where people have to say, I'm in the Illuminati, or I have to be doing something nefarious to be in the position that I'm in.

[Alex]

Well, let me ask you this. I'll quote who I get a kick out of Charlamagne. Shouldn't care that people criticize him or I'm attacking him or breaking his stuff down. That's what's supposed to happen when you reach a certain level.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I agree with it.

[Alex]

And you should just be happy and let us have fun, because that's all this is for us. We're just having fun. I think he's like, we're in the Internet dungeon, or I forget what the term he used was. He's like, just let us fucking throw around our theories. And, you know, why? Why should you even give a shit? Basically?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Cause I'm creating content, too, okay? And I got a platform, too. So that's what. That's what everybody hopes, right? They hope that. All right, I'm gonna say these things. I'm gonna say these things. I'm gonna say these things. He probably not even gonna see it. And if he does see it, he not gonna say nothing.

[Alex]

But if he said something or what

[Charlamagne Tha God]

if I decide to, right. Actually say something, then what? You know what I'm saying? Like, like, like, then what? And some things need to be discussed. And if I do discuss them, trust Me, it's not because I'm, you know, fed up of what y' all talking about. I'd rather y' all talk than not say anything. You know what I mean? Like, I, I, I would rather y' all sit around and discuss every day that I've fallen off as opposed to not talk about me at all.

[Chris]

Oh, really?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes. Because the people who've really fallen off don't get discussed. You know what I'm saying? Like, if you've really. If you're really not, you know, relevant, like a lot of these videos like to say I am, then you wouldn't discuss me at all. You know, And I, and I'm fully aware that. I'm also fully aware that sometimes, if you're truly doing this life thing right, if you're truly growing and evolving the way that you're supposed to, people shouldn't recognize you anymore. Like, you should completely motherfucking change to them. Like, if they're still stuck where they were and they haven't grown and they haven't evolved. You can't recognize growth and evolution in somebody else. And maybe you might recognize the growth and evolution and don't like it, that's fine too. Like, I don't have no problem with that either. Because I feel like that's what life is about. Like, I think you should constantly grow, you should constantly evolve. And some people you gonna lose, Some people you gonna gain. But the real moral of the story is, are you happy at the end of the day? Like, to answer your question, you genius, Williams, the reason this shit really don't bother me. Cause nobody can tell me about me. Facts. You know what I'm saying? Like, I wake up with me every day, Go to sleep with me every night. I've lived every single waking minute with me. I know what's true. I know what's not true. You cannot tell me about me. But, you know, that's why I don't

[Chris]

get tired of the false narratives that the host of this show says about me. But.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But it's okay to be gay. And there's nothing wrong with that. People call me gay all the time. Like, like Dame Dash goes on every single platform he can. That's true to call me gay, but that's cause he got a crush on me.

[Chris]

So you got a crush on me, then. No, I mean, that's the logic. You go it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Not at all. Not at all. What else? We got Oscar B. Savage on him. Ooh, the lowest point. And how did you overcome it? Fantastic question. Oscar B. Savage, the Lowest point and how did I overcome it? I'm going to tell you something, Oscar. It's very hard to say that I've had a lowest point. And the reason it's very hard to say that I had a lowest point because whatever point I was in, I was in that point because God wanted me to be in that point for that moment. And when I look back on it, it actually wasn't low at all. It was just a transition period. You know, when I think about low points, it has nothing to do with anything professional and things to do with me personally. And that's just how I might have been feeling in a bout of depression or dealing with some anxiety that I couldn't get out of bar. You know, I was in a low point a couple of weeks ago because of that, that I had to get off some peptides, yo.

[Chris]

Really? What? Wait, which. Which one are you taking now? I stopped the nad.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Which one was that? Which one? Which one did you stop the nad? Why'd you stop it?

[Chris]

Well, one, they just say that you just do it for like, six weeks. Yeah. And then you're supposed to lower the dose. And I just stopped doing it because it wanted to go there for two hours.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Is like, oh, that's the nab. The nab. I only did that once. Only did that once? No, I was taking the pills and I stopped those, but then I was doing the shot. I don't know if it was the CJC 1295 maybe, or maybe the enclofamine. Sorry. Long story short, that shit had me angry as a motherfucker.

[Alex]

Really? What?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Cause I was wondering, I'm like, why the fuck am I so mad? Like, I would be getting mad at, like, the smallest shit. Aggravated or mad, like, mad, like. And like this. Like, at dumb shit. Like, not.

[Chris]

And it wasn't tests like steroids, testosterone, because that shit makes you better, bro.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't know. I think so. Whatever it was, I had to say to myself, like. Because I was thinking, I'm like, yo, what the fuck is going on? Like, my life is great. Like, I'm. I'm not really pissed off at anybody in particular. Like, what the fuck is happening? And I had to think about it. I'm like, yo, I bet you it's some fucking peptide. And then I started doing research on. Hold on, I got it right here. I started doing research on the particular peptide I was using. And that shit had all the symptoms, like anger, suicidal ideations, all of that type of shit. The GLP one, that's the Skinny drug.

[Chris]

You on a skinny shot.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That ain't no skinny shot.

[Chris]

Yes, it is. That's the skinny shot.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, I think it's different versions of GLP1. GLP1 is like the brand, like Nike.

[Alex]

But then it's like, well, GLP1's a type of drug. Yes, exactly, I'm noticing that.

[Chris]

But that's the one really skinny.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. Anger, depression, anxiety. Well, that ain't work for me. That ain't caused me to lose no weight. That shit just had me mad. Anger, depression, anxiety, and especially thoughts of suicide have been reported by some people taking GLP1 medications. Although researchers have definitively, definitively definitively established that the drugs Although researchers have not definitively established that the drugs themselves are the cause. Listen, they haven't done enough research on a lot of these peptides yet. I'm telling you, as somebody who was on them all year long, I had all of that shit. Careful, that's why. And soon as I got off, it's like the light switch went off. Like. Yes. I'm like, oh, okay, yeah, I'm back feeling like me now.

[Chris]

Yeah, this stuff is too early. I'm just waiting for everybody around me to be the guinea pigs and then I'll figure out what.

[Alex]

We're in the no man's land right now with the GPL ones, with the peptides, with the weed.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Truthfully, I got, I have been on that all year, right.

[Alex]

And also, what's the shit they sell in the gas stations?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Goat weed.

[Alex]

What? No, the croton.

[Chris]

Cranum.

[Alex]

Cranum, yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What the fuck is that?

[Chris]

I mean, they call it like a gas station heroin or something like that,

[Alex]

but it's just there's a natural version that now the Trump administration, who's the fucking senator from Oklahoma, malarkey, whatever the fuck his name is, he's trying to push for that and then they're trying to outlaw the synthetic version, but apparently, like, there are lots of people who are getting addicted on this stuff and there's no research on any of this stuff.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Basically, I didn't want that shit. That shit had me paranoid. Like I was. I thought I was having a real breakdown. Like, holy shit, what the fuck is going on?

[Chris]

Just old fashioned, eat right, exercise, eat right, exercise.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I mean, that's what I do anyway, you know what I mean? But I'm just saying, like. And I've been on it all year, so I started in January and I should have took a break, but I didn't. So I've been on. Yeah, but now I'm like, Get. Nah, I don't want. Get that shit the fuck away from me. What else we got? Let's do a couple more. Empty chair text says, if an alien invasion happened, who would you send up from each race to the aliens that represent each race? What the. I don't fucking know, man.

[Alex]

Yeah, we can do this.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Huh? Huh?

[Alex]

We can do this.

[Chris]

Who?

[Alex]

People. You're gonna say Tom Brady? No, I'm gonna say somebody else. Who am I gonna say?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I wouldn't say. I'm gonna be honest. I don't know who I would send. Because I don't even think that I would send anybody based on race. I really wouldn't. I think I would send them based on behavior that I've seen over the years. Who are the most empathetic people? Who are the most intelligent people? You know? Who are the people that I know would go up there and not feel like, hey, man, I want to colonize your shit or take your shit. I don't want to feel like I'm more superior than you. Who's going to go up there and actually try to have olive branches and, you know, create a bond with these aliens.

[Alex]

I think this new pope is good. He seems empathetic, too religious. I like Larry David as kind of a wild card.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I feel like, go up there and,

[Alex]

like, keep it light.

[Chris]

He's gonna make a joke that pisses him off.

[Alex]

He's good at showing both sides. I like him. I'm trying to think who else.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm definitely sending Michelle Obama.

[Chris]

Who's that girl on the spectrum that goes on those floats?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Greta Boats.

[Chris]

Yeah, Greta.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Greta.

[Alex]

Very empathetic.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm definitely sending Michelle Obama.

[Alex]

Right?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Might send Daphne Joy. Cause she's always down for a good time. You know what I'm saying? I don't know what the aliens are into, but if Daphne Joy go. I'm serious. Daphne Joy might go up there.

[Chris]

Take me a second.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm just saying, like, it just feels like that. Definitely Michelle Obama, though. I can't really think of too many people that I could go trust that talk to Fucking aliens, bro. That would have everybody's best interest in mind. I really. I'm not even. I cannot think of too many people.

[Alex]

What about Bernie?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Nah, man. Maybe Bernie might go up there and see all that tech and wonder how much that shit costs and then start talk. You know what I mean? Start talking about cosmic capitalism or some shit like that. Like, I don't know. Yo, I feel like, you know why I like Michelle Obama? And this gonna sound crazy. Cause she is a former First Lady. She seems apolitical. She don't seem like she's a part of any party. She just seems like a person who cares about what's right. That's what I get from it. Even when I heard her talk the other day and she was talking about why certain people voted for Trump, I thought she was right on the money with what she was saying. I'm not discrediting racism and white supremacy, but I do think that some people just felt hopeless, and some people was just looking for some type of change, and they. They bought the con that he was selling. They bought the dream that Trump was selling them. I think that's a. When I can look at somebody who I know is. When I hear somebody who I know is disgusted at the way things are, disgusted that he's in the White House, but still have empathy for how he got there because of the people who voted for him. I'm like, that's. She's different. Michelle Obama's different.

[Alex]

Mondame, no.

[Chris]

Why not?

[Alex]

He did great with Trump.

[Chris]

Yeah, he's actually good.

[Alex]

Sent him into the Lions den. He handled it. He's smooth.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Listen, I'd like Mandela.

[Alex]

I'm starting to believe the hype, man.

[Chris]

Yeah, yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm starting to feel the hype.

[Alex]

Yeah. There might be some.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He's New York centric. He wins in New York and la,

[Alex]

but his instincts are spot on. He played the Knicks shit correctly, man. You know how many mayors would have tried to be in the front row sitting next to fucking Chalamet and Ben Stiller and in the locker room and all that shit? He hung out at local bars. He sat up in the fucking nosebleeds.

[Chris]

He's a Democratic socialist. He figured out Trump kikiing right next to him.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Is he a Social Democrat or Democratic socialist? Because I just learned from Hasan Piker that they're different. I don't know, because he always. Hasan calls himself a democratic socialist. And I'm like. I always say that. I would identify as that until I realized, no, I would identify as a Social Democrat. And I always say social Democrat. But he said democratic socialist. So what is. Because people liken democratic socialist to communist.

[Chris]

I think he's a democratic socialist.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Mondani?

[Chris]

Yeah, I think he says he is.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think Mondani is New York specific, y'. All.

[Chris]

I don't think so, no.

[Alex]

I think if anything, he's not that New York, but he figured out how to. I think he could do this in la.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And when I. That's why I Said New York and LA are probably the only two places that he could get it done. But I think he's very, very New York specific. He's the, he's. He's the hot guy in his market. You know how you sometimes you go to a city and it's a rapper there that's like the guy in his city, but nobody else knows him anyplace else.

[Chris]

But the crazy thing is that he's the local New York guy that everybody across the country is like rooting for.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't know about that.

[Chris]

Yes, I go places and people like, at least I got a good mayor. They don't say no.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

There's a lot of great mayors. I mean, there's a lot of great mayors throughout the country though, man. You got Brandon Scott in Baltimore, does a phenomenal job, but making waves the

[Chris]

way that Mamdani is.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I mean, listen, I'm not knocking man down. He's the mayor of the biggest city in the world. Salute to him. I just don't know if it translates. Outside of New York City.

[Alex]

There's.

[Chris]

We talking about the aliens. I'm sending him today.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, I don't know if I'm sending them the aliens.

[Chris]

I'd rather send him and I don't want to lose.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Can we send him to South Carolina first?

[Alex]

Start on the media.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Let's see how he does in South Carolina. First to the aliens. Mundani.

[Alex]

Yeah, yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Can't send him to see the aliens yet, bro. Nah, not the aliens. Come on, man. He's only been in what, a year?

[Chris]

But what if we send Michelle and we don't get her back?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'll keep her too. She's dope. Like, I'll keep. Like, yes. You know what? You should stay here with us, Michelle. You too good for that God forsaken planet. Bring the kids.

[Alex]

All right, all right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Bring the kids, man. Barack, we didn't like the way he was playing footsie with Trump at the funeral. We'll come back for him.

[Alex]

Barack's not bad.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Barack wouldn't be bad, Destiny, but I just think Barack's too political. Barack is too. It's too. Barack is a Democrat. Tried and tried. I don't get that from Michelle. For some reason I'm not. And I know Michelle is super liberal. I just don't get that from her.

[Alex]

I feel like she's a Democrat, but she's equally aggravated by everybody.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

By everybody. That's it. She's equally aggravated.

[Alex]

I think the Democrats aggravate her as much as Republicans. Maybe not exactly the Same, but close.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And that's what we got to sit in to talk to the aliens, because I know that the aliens know more about us than we know more about them. And they're probably here because they're equally as they're aggravated at the shit that we're doing to their planet. You know, they always say that the aliens come around when there's talk of nuclear war or when there is nuclear war and they come to save us.

[Chris]

I didn't know they say that, but,

[Charlamagne Tha God]

yes, they come to save us from ourselves.

[Alex]

Well, where were they in 1940?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They said that's when they really started to see. That is true, yes.

[Alex]

Post World War II.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes, you're right. Yes. They say that's when they really started to see sightings of UFOs and shit like that.

[Chris]

Oh, wow.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So my thing is, we need people that are equally as aggravated with this planet as they probably are. And Michelle definitely fits that bill. Definitely.

[Alex]

That's funny.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Let's do one more. Wow.

[Chris]

Oh, that UFC rapper. I mean, UFC fighter, whoever that was, he needs to apologize to Michelle. That was. That was not called for.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That shit was whack.

[Alex]

No, he did exactly what he was brought there to do. Why should he apologize?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's true.

[Chris]

I mean, even. Even his people as upset.

[Alex]

That whole whatever that whole setup was for moments like that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, I gave him donkey of the day.

[Chris]

Oh, you did?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. The reason I gave him. I mean, I gave him donkey today because it was just stupid.

[Alex]

But Michelle Obama is a man, am I right?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

America, Stuff like that, it just backfires on them. Because when you're at somebody like him who makes a comment about Michelle Obama, all you do is remind people of what this country no longer is. We remind people of what's not in the White House anymore. Class, dignity, intelligence. Real patriots who actually gave a fuck about, you know, more, more, more than just themselves in this country. And when you see that man, when you see, you know him go up there and be so fucking classless to make that kind of comment about Michelle Obama. It just reminds you of what's not anymore in the White House.

[Chris]

Yeah, it was corny.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Underscore, taps underscore. We can end with this one. If AI. Oh, I want to do two more. If AI solves human mortality, no war, illness, will humans find a way to kill each other? Absolutely. Yeah. We always. We get bored.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

By the way, you know, you shouldn't want mortality now. Do I want to live as long as humanly possible? Yes. I feel like I'm going to live to be 101. That's what God has shown me. That's what he has said to me through others. I'm going to live to be 101. But you're supposed to go on to your next journey. That's how you have to look at life, bro. Like, you're not supposed to be in this, on this journey forever. Like, that's just not the way the world works. Like, there is life and there is death for a reason. Some of us here. Some of us are here a little bit longer than others. And when we're here a little bit longer than others, you know, God bless. But the ones of us that weren't, some of us made an impact in a very short period of time. And, you know, some people didn't. And by the way, somebody. Some people make impact with one or two people, they're just their family, and that's fine too. But I just don't feel like we're supposed to be here forever. So I don't want AI to solve human mortality. No illness would be great. No war would be great, but we still have to die.

[Alex]

Would you take a scenario where. So there's no illness, right? There's no war. So basically there's no internal or external forces that are going to kill you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm great with that.

[Alex]

But in exchange for that, you get. At a certain point, maybe it's your birth, your expiration date, you know, that you're going to die, let's say at 107 or 94 or whatever it is. Would that be freeing to know, okay, I got until this amount of time, and I can plan everything out accordingly and get everything lined up. Or is like, the. The sense of that gonna be hanging over everything all the time and you always. Because. Because we all know we're gonna die, but we all also trick ourselves into thinking we got time, we got time. Or there's not. It's never definitive. It's always this kind of, like, gray area where you never really sit in that moment. But if I knew, like, all right, I'm gonna die on, you know, December 31, 2000, you know, I don't even want to put a date on it.

[Chris]

Yeah, that's great.

[Alex]

Now I'm already like, fuck. You know, so. But like. But that's the point, right? Like, is that scarier in a way, to know the date? And I'll even say it's a good date, you know, I'm not talking about dying in your 50s or your 20s, your 90s, 180 something, like that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's a great question. I mean, I really don't know if it would be better to know the exact date. I feel like I wouldn't want to know the exact date. But if I did know the exact date, I would treat it like it's a vacation. I would treat it like, hey, I'm going on vacation at such and such time. The reason I wouldn't want to know that, though, because that would mean I would have to know everybody else's too. Oh, and you wouldn't want that.

[Alex]

Imagine that with your kids.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Exactly. What if you find out your kids

[Alex]

had a bad expiration date with your kids?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, like I'm saying, like, I wouldn't want that. Like, God really has designed this perfectly. We the ones that keep fucking it up. We're fucking it. Even that question. If AI solves human mortality, we shouldn't be trying to solve human mortality now. Should we be trying to live in a world where there's no war or no illness? Absolutely. But trying to live forever? No. We all must go, and we all must go for a reason. Because I feel like there's a. There's another journey for us to go on. Like this consciousness, this spirit, it has to go someplace else. And, you know, did you feel like

[Chris]

this, or was that experience you had with ayahuasca kind of what that drove this sort of thinking this.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't know if it was the ayahuasca, but definitely in. In more recent times, have I started to not be afraid of the death thing. You know what I mean? Of course I don't want to go anytime soon. I want to watch my kids grow up. You know what I mean? I want to watch my kids grow. I want my whole family to have to bury me. But, yeah, I've definitely thought about it. Like, I remember Ryan Holiday gave me this coin one time. This was years ago. Ryan Holliday. Ryan Holiday. Salute to Ryan. He gave me this coin and it said, you're going to die one day. I'm like, why would you give me this? And he was just like. Cause it's a sobering reminder that you're going to die one day. You know what I'm saying? But that puts things in perspective for you. It's like, he's right. So let's get to it. Let's live while we still got the opportunity to motherfucking live. You know what I mean? Like, let's. Let's do this life thing the right way while we still have the opportunity to do this life thing. The right way. And I think that, you know, you carry that coin with you, and you look at it every now and then just to know, all right, you ain't got no time, bro. You don't have the time that you think you have. And even if you are Gonna live to 101 like me, that shit can come tomorrow. I'll be 48 in a couple of weeks, bro. Wow, that's fighting like, I. Dude, that's wild to me. 48 years old. Like, I still feel eight. Like, I can still remember all of that shit like it was yesterday. All of that shit flew by, like. And it did not Wait. So, you know, like, I tell my kids all the time, whether you think you can or you think you can't, you're right, because everything you did in your life, everything you do in your life today directly impacts all your tomorrows. So I can sit back and watch so many people that I know and love who just never moved, never really, you know, set out to do anything. Like, they just kind of just let life go by.

[Alex]

I'm gonna share a quote with you guys. Bob Dylan just gave the.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They kind of let just. They let life just kind of go by. And, you know, now they're sitting back my age saying to themselves, like, damn, why didn't I do this? Why didn't I do that? Like, the time ain't gonna wait, so you might as well fill it in doing something.

[Chris]

My. My outlook is like, all right, I think I'm gonna make it till 80. So if I live life that way, if anything I get after 80 is just, you know, cherry on top.

[Alex]

Wow.

[Chris]

But, like, I definitely am living my life to the fullest every day I can.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, I gotta read this, Chris. I gotta read this.

[Alex]

So this is. This is an article.

[Chris]

What's this?

[Alex]

On Trump's 80th birthday, the new York Times asked several celebrities, artists to talk about being 80 and what they've learned. I mean, everything he said was actually pretty amazing. But the last sentence really stuck with me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The really worst part about being 80 is that you find at last you've got an understanding of something that might have altered everything in the past, had it come at a time when something could still be altered. When you're young, you think that time moves forward at 80. You know, that it doesn't is stand still. We're the ones that don't move. Factual.

[Alex]

No, we're the ones that move.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, we're the ones that move.

[Alex]

Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Factual. But are either. Or you can choose to move or you choose not to move. Time is just time. How you fill it in is what gets you to whatever level you're trying to be at.

[Alex]

Now read what he said about the best thing about turning 80, because this is very good, too.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The best thing about being 80 is that you outlive the clocks that have been chasing you.

[Alex]

You.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's freedom from that lie, that anything was ever under control. You don't chase the parade anymore. You're an old king from some vanished country. You're heart of the program. You're not rushing to become anything, and you're not haunted by things that you did. You're haunted by how little of it really mattered in the way you thought it would. That is where I'm. That's. That's where I'm at now at 47. Straight up. That's literally where I'm at at 47. So I can imagine what I'll feel like at 80. What that question dude asked me earlier about, you know, false narratives about you, I. That's exactly why I don't care. You're not rushing to become anything, and you're not haunted by things that you did. You're haunted by how little of it really mattered in the way you thought it would. Like, yes, you're heart of the program because all of these are constantly trying to tell you who you are. You can't tell me about me. That's a good way to end. As always, if you listen to this podcast, you think we're smart, you think we're intelligent, you think we're brilliant. You're absolutely right. But if you listen to this podcast and you think we're just a couple idiots who don't know shit, you're right, too. It's the Brilliant Idiots Podcast. Thank you for listening. The right window treatments change everything. Your sleep, your privacy, the way every room looks and feels. @blinds.com, we've spent 30 years making it surprisingly simple to get exactly what your home needs. We've covered over 25 million windows and have 50,000 five star reviews to prove we deliver. Whether you DIY it or want a pro to handle everything from measure to install, we have you covered. Real design professionals, free samples, zero pressure. Right now. Get up to 50% off with minimum purchase, plus get a free professional measure. @blinds.com rules and restrictions apply.

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