Botox, Boobs, and Boundaries — Are We Crossing the Line? -Lisa Whittle

Summary

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Episode Overview

Title: Botox, Boobs, and Boundaries — Are We Crossing the Line? (with Lisa Whittle)
Date: September 23, 2025
Host: Candace Cameron Bure
Guest: Lisa Whittle

In this candid episode, Candace Cameron Bure and guest Lisa Whittle explore personal, cultural, and spiritual dimensions of body image, aging, cosmetic procedures, and boundaries regarding how we approach our physical appearance—especially as women of faith. The conversation balances humor and vulnerability as both women get honest about the pressures of aging, the conflicting motives behind cosmetic interventions, and the importance of "whole body theology"—seeing ourselves the way God does.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Finding and Understanding Spiritual Gifts (04:28–08:50)

• Candace follows up from a previous episode about how to discover spiritual gifts, prompting Lisa to explain that both Biblical passages and online assessments can help.
• Lisa shares examples: “teaching, hospitality, administration, mercy, discernment, prophecy, shepherding” (05:35). She recommends self-discovery and stewardship of these gifts and encourages listeners to share their own findings.
• Comment: Both highlight stewardship: "Whatever your gifts are, you really need to steward them well and make sure that you use them for the glory of God in the best way." – Lisa (07:57)

2. Introducing the Topic: Body Health, Faith, and Controversy (08:51–10:23)

• The conversation sets the table for a frank discussion about the nitty gritty of body health—from food choices and workouts to more contentious topics like Botox, fillers, boob jobs, and body image issues within the Christian community.
• Candace: “How much is too much? How far is too far? What about to the extent that I want to change my body—is that going against God’s word?” (09:22)
• Candace jokes about not being a real doctor: “Although I’ve played one on TV.” (10:05)

3. Personal Opinions, Responsibility, and Role Modeling (10:23–13:44)

• Both share a disclaimer that they aren’t prescribing doctrine, but expressing personal opinions rooted in a Biblical worldview.
• Lisa: “My opinion is not to be substituting the Holy Spirit… As long as we're clear on that.” (12:32)
• Candace: "My opinion isn’t the end all. It’s really not. It’s just an opinion." (13:02)
• They discuss the weight and responsibility of their platforms, particularly about being role models.

4. Where’s the Line? Cosmetic Procedures, Culture, and Motive (13:44–19:08)

• Lisa: Shares why she personally doesn’t get Botox, seeing it as inconsistent with her role as a preacher encouraging women to embrace who God made them to be. (13:52)
• Cultural critique: Lisa notes how thinness is obsessively prized in white American culture, while body ideals differ in other communities. (16:01)
• Candace: Admits to struggling with aging on camera. She’s had Botox before, but not regularly, and feels torn between industry pressure and the desire to model aging gracefully. (17:31, 19:09)
• Notable quote: "Every year that goes by, and I just had my 49th birthday, my wrinkles are getting thicker… It’s getting harder for me, and so I really don’t want to have Botox. There’s parts of me that want it so bad. My flesh wants the Botox so bad." – Candace (18:04)
• They agree: Motive ("the why") is key in these decisions.

5. Aging in the Spotlight: Personal Stories (24:14–29:00)

• Candace describes feeling pressured when movie visual effects artists “digitally alter [her] face” in post-production to look younger. She’s even requested cheek enhancement: "My cheeks were a little puffier too. Like in a good way. I hate that as I’m getting older that… the cheeks make you, like, keep you young." (25:44)
• Vulnerability: Candace shares her shock when FX artists mention digitally smoothing her neck—an aging factor she hadn’t noticed before. (26:22)
• Lisa validates this struggle, relating on a much smaller scale as a speaker/author needing promo photos.

6. The Role of Example and Pressure on Younger Generations (30:54–32:38)

• Lisa: “One of the things that is important is what we are showing young women. If we erase all real faces, then it just puts such high pressure on them to keep up with faces that aren’t even real...” (31:39)
• They note the trend toward preventive Botox in younger women and societal/industry pressures fueling this.

7. Location, Socioeconomic Factors & Cultural Influence on Cosmetic Interventions (33:20–35:39)

• Candace: Noticed heavy regional differences, e.g. more filler and Botox in LA and Scottsdale than in rural towns; affluence also plays a role.
• She emphasizes how social context shapes perceptions and personal pressures: “When you’re looking at that on a daily basis, that influences us.” (34:11)

8. Scriptural Wisdom: How Do We Make These Decisions as Christians? (35:42–38:56)

Lisa outlines five Biblical check-points for discernment:

• Does it bring God glory? (36:42)
• Does it make me more holy? (37:05)
• Is it wise (financially, emotionally, mentally)? (37:50)
• Is it consistent with Scripture? e.g., considering endurance over quick fixes (38:48)
• Does it help my freedom road of glory?
• Lisa: “There are things you can look to Biblically, and this is how I make a lot of decisions… Even if things aren't in the Bible to know exactly what that line is, there are things you can look to to know how to make decisions with the help of the Holy Spirit...” (36:42–37:05)

9. Discussing Reasons for Cosmetic Surgeries (38:56–40:20)

• The hosts weigh if reconstructive procedures after cancer, or post-pregnancy tummy tucks, differ from ‘pure vanity’ choices. Both agree motives and personal discernment are key, with Lisa saying, “I would not feel the same weightiness about something like that…” (39:51)

10. Empathy Over Judgment: Shifting Perspectives with Age (40:27–42:40)

• Candace: “I've become less and less judgmental… I think I had a lot stronger opinions when I was younger. And as I'm getting older and my body’s changing, you realize those things.” (40:27)
• Both note how personal and nuanced choices are, especially regarding things like weight loss medications (GLP1s like Ozempic), and the importance of encouragement over condemnation.

11. Guardrails: Self-Honesty and Spiritual Preparation (44:09–45:50)

• Lisa: Advocates learning “whole body theology” first, before making big body changes, and warns of rationalizing choices to fit personal desires: “We often will curb our convictions to whatever we want them to be.” (45:18)
• Candace: “The why is the big question… it’s not why not—but why.” (45:55)

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Memorable Quotes

• Lisa Whittle:
  • “It’s the root behind it… of why you’re wanting to get this done that you really need to examine.” (11:24)
  • “What we are showing young women… If we erase all real faces… it puts such high pressure on them to keep up with faces that aren’t even real.” (31:39)
• Candace Cameron Bure:
  • “My flesh wants the Botox so bad, and I am doing everything not to have it… But I am struggling so badly to see myself age on camera.” (18:04)
  • “I've become less and less judgmental… I just don’t care about what [my friends'] choices are in the sense that I think I could be much more judgmental in the past…” (40:27)
• Lisa: “I think white people have an obsession with thinness… a lot of my black friends have a much healthier relationship with curves.” (16:01)
• On discerning boundaries:
  • “Does it bring God glory?... Does it make me more holy?... Is it wise? Is it consistent with Scripture?... Does it help me on my freedom road of glory?” (36:42–38:48)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Segment/Topic | |-------------|--------------------------------------------------| | 04:28–08:50 | Spiritual gifts: definition & discovering yours | | 08:51–10:23 | Introducing the topic: body health & controversy | | 13:44–19:08 | Personal boundaries, aging pressures, & Botox | | 24:14–29:00 | On-screen aging, post-production alterations | | 30:54–32:38 | Role modeling real beauty for young women | | 33:20–35:39 | Cultural/regional differences in cosmetic norms | | 35:42–38:56 | Biblical frameworks for body decisions | | 38:56–40:20 | Considering reconstructive/necessary surgeries | | 40:27–42:40 | Judgment vs. empathy on cosmetic choices | | 44:09–45:50 | The importance of personal honesty & theology |

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Tone & Takeaways

• The episode is candid, warm, and unvarnished—a mix of humor, empathy, and Biblical discernment.
• Both speakers encourage self-examination around the “why” behind beauty choices, a posture of grace toward others, and rooting confidence in spiritual rather than external transformation.
• The conversation remains deeply personal to both Candace (as a public figure facing industry standards) and Lisa (as a teacher with a responsibility to model authenticity and faithfulness).

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode:

This episode offers a thoughtful, vulnerable look at navigating cosmetic choices and self-image in a faith context. Whether you’ve faced similar dilemmas or are trying to support friends or family making these decisions, the discussion provides practical, spiritual, and cultural insights—without shame or easy answers.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

This conversation will bring it out.

[A]

I'm telling you.

[B]

We're only on one thing.

[A]

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[B]

Here we go.

[A]

I was like so excited for this episode just because I feel like I've cried in every week I've been crying.

[B]

We have a. We. Either one of us has. It's either been you and me, both of us together.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. So this kind of feels like a fun episode. But of course we're going to be giving our real opinions that I don't know. I'm curious to hear what some of yours are. I feel like we might. This, this is not where our friendship breaks up.

[B]

No.

[A]

But we might have some differences in my thinking.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But before we even get into it, I wanted to ask you a follow up question from last week because you never actually said how we find our spiritual gifts.

[B]

Oh, we.

[A]

I. That question was still floating for me and I'm like, where do I find that in the Bible? Or is that like, yeah, a website I need to go to?

[B]

Well, it is in the Bible. Yes. There are, there are passages in the Bible. Yes. That talk about this. But there is a, it is a good thing to do to do a spiritual gifts assessment to help you know what your spiritual gifts gifts are. I have one in the Bible study in the body and soul Bible study.

[A]

Oh, great.

[B]

Yes. And it's free and so you can just click the link and take it. So that's in the Bible study. But there are ones that you can take online, certainly that are, that are, that are good to do but highly recommend you doing that because, well, you're going to be forced to do it because you're my friend. So I'm sending you the link like.

[A]

Today, like right now, after we wrap this show. Yes. That I'm going to take it can you just name me a couple of spirit spiritual gifts?

[B]

Yeah. Teaching, hospitality, administration, mercy, discernment.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Prophecy.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yes. Shepherding. The list goes on.

[A]

I can't wait to see what mine are.

[B]

I can't wait. Yeah, and you really can't. It's not like one of those things where I think you can guess it in other people. There are some. Some things that you might be able to say, oh, she probably has the gift of mercy because she's someone that is constantly praying for people. She's super tender.

[A]

I already know that's not my guess.

[B]

Okay, Chalk that one up. But, like, there's a spiritual gift of faith, and so you might not be able to know that in someone else off the top. Right. So for me, the spiritual gift of prophecy was not hard to know because it's something that usually someone who has a. A really bold, not always a teaching gift, but someone who is often a Bible teacher often has that. So, yeah, it's not always the case, but pastors often have a gift of prophecy, but not always. You know, they might have a gift of teaching. So, like, I have. My gift of teaching is on. Down a little bit further. So, yeah, it's an interesting thing.

[A]

And how would you define the gift of prophecy?

[B]

Yeah, the gift of prophecy is the ability to sort of receive and communicate messages from the Lord. So it's kind of being able to discern what God is saying and then give that message to other people. So you might see that in a Bible teacher, you might see that in a pastor. The interesting thing was when I took this spiritual gifts assessment, I immediately went out and looked for resources, books, or just different types of things that I could find that would help me learn more about my gifts and develop them. And develop them. So, yeah, the first one I went to look into was shepherding, because I wanted to know a little bit more about that. It makes complete sense with some of the things that I've done with running ministries and even, like my intern team that I've done, and even with some of the coaching things that I do. Shepherding made a lot of sense, but I wanted to know a little bit more about that and the prophetic gift, too. I wanted to know, because that gift can be very abused and misunderstood. So I really want to handle it well because I think that's something to. To note. Whatever your gifts are, you really need to steward them well and make sure that you use them for the glory of God in the best way.

[A]

So, yeah, for sure.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, if you guys know, you that are listening and watching. If you know your spiritual gifts, write it down in the comments, share it with us. And if you get the book and take Lisa's free gifts quiz to figure out yours.

[B]

Yeah, the assessment.

[A]

Yeah, the assessment. Then come back and share with us what your gifts are, what your spiritual gifts are. Because I want to know. And I'll. I'll have done it by then, too. And I will share in the comments what mine are.

[B]

Oh, good. That'll be fun.

[A]

It's a deal. So today, okay. The nuts and bolts of body health. So here we're going to just talk about some. Some practical stuff of the things that you guys all want to know, like, what do you eat in a day? What's your. What's your favorite workout? But also some things that are a little more. That can feel controversial, especially, I hate to say, in the Christian community, but it kind of feels like that to me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, how much is too much? How far is too far? What about to the extent that I want to change my body? Is that going against God's word? So, yes, what kind of skin care? But can I go beyond skin care? What about Botox? What about lip filler? Can I get a boob job? Can I get a nose job? Can I get liposuction? Can I get a tummy tuck? All of those things that we talk to our girlfriends about and we wonder about. Maybe not all of us, but we're gonna just talk about it here. And again, Lisa is not a doctor, nor am I, although I've played one on tv.

[B]

Have you played one on tv?

[A]

Yes, Yes, I have, but I'm not a doctor. So we're just gonna. We're gonna be sharing our opinions. And of course, I hope they're. They, you know, that they're coming from our heart and from a biblical worldview.

[B]

Yes. I think it complicates this. The reason why we're talking about, like, in the faith community, is this more complicated. It is because of Imago Day and all of those kinds of things. And we're like, oh, I'm created in.

[A]

The image of God. Can I change it?

[B]

Yeah. So. But let's be honest. People are talking about this in church. There are plenty of people who love Jesus that also want to get Botox. And so I get this a lot. Here's why. Because now I'm in a community of a different age. So once you hit 50 especially, this is really prevalent for a lot of people. I remember I wrote in one of my early books, the book was Called behind those Eyes. I mean, this is my very early book. And I remember talking about cosmetic procedures. I was freshly like, what, 30 something. But I remember at the time thinking, lisa, don't put anything in print that you can't stand behind when you're 50.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it was very much like, it's. It's the root behind it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Of why. Of your. Why you're wanting to get this done that you really need to examine. And I. I remember at the time thinking, I think I can stand behind this when I'm 50, and I still will stand behind that because I do think there is this sort of what is your why for wanting to get it done that you have to examine.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I will be honest with you, Candace. This is a little weird for me to be giving my opinion on this. Let me just be clear, okay. I have many opinions on many things. I have an opinion on everything.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

In my ladder, in my. In my older age now, I have been very careful about giving my opinion about things because I realize that my opinion holds a lot of weight with a lot of people. I take it very seriously. And I also feel like we are all about, like, gathering everybody's opinion and making their opinion ours. Especially we do this with Bible teachers. So I've been very careful to do this also. I feel like, you know, my opinion is not to be substituting the Holy Spirit.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

So I.

[A]

Really smart disclaimer. I am happy that you did say the disclaimer, but I'm happy that you think that way. I very much feel the same way as well. And like I said, I take being a role model in that way and a emotion seriously. And my opinion isn't the end all. It's really not. It's just an opinion. And I might stand before God and he's like, yeah, Candace, you got that one wrong. I didn't really feel that way about it.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

But I still love you. So I don't want you to just take my word as it being right. Everything.

[B]

Right. So I. As long as we're clear on that.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And that everybody knows Lisa Whittle has pretty strong opinions about things. So as long as you're good with that, then let's roll with it.

[A]

Because it's just your opinion. Right. And it's just my opinion.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I. I don't feel anything.

[B]

I don't write the Bible.

[A]

An opinion is an opinion.

[B]

Right. So it's good. Yeah.

[A]

If you convict me too much, I might not invite you back next week, though.

[B]

I also like My opinions, by the way. I just need to say that I think my opinions are pretty good. So, But I, but I can be wrong. But I can be wrong.

[A]

So is there anything that you can you consider is going too far with altering your body?

[B]

Yes. I mean, otherwise I probably would have already done it. Yeah, yeah, there's, there's definitely things I consider too far. I, I, I don't get Botox. I've talked about that before. At this juncture, I don't think I'll get it because there's, there's different reasons for that, Candace. I mean, first of all, I'm just really aware of the, the mantle that I carry to preach the word of God, and I feel very responsible in that. And I just, for me, I feel like if I'm up there, you know, encouraging women to embrace who they are and, and you know, love, love what God has made, then I, I, for me, there's an inconsistency in that. To have a lot of work done to my face and be carry of God while I preach that. Sometimes I take that stuff to the extreme because I'm very literal and I'm very, you know, careful in that. But that's, that's where I, that's where I am. The other thing is, you know, with my body, I have been through so much and put my body through so much that I just refuse to treat my body in a way that is inconsistent with my glory mentality at this point. And I take that real seriously. Yeah. And so anything that I feel like is just quick or because I want to, you know, continue to feed that place inside of me that just wants to look good to people. Please people, be an object, a prop, a performer. What we talked about on an earlier show. I just, I just can't, I can't do that. I can't let myself do that. Even though there is still a place inside of me that wants to be the thinnest woman in the room. Yeah, I want, I'm normal, I'm human. I want to be cute, I want to be thin, I want to be all of those things. And Can I just do a side road here for a second? I think white people have a, an obsession with thinness. I don't think in every culture it's that way. A lot of my black friends have a much healthier relationship with Curves.

[A]

We actually got a comment on that on Instagram when we posed. We asked you guys to write in your questions so we could answer some of them in real time during the shows. And one woman wrote in and said, I'm paraphrasing, like, I mean this respectfully, but. But as a black woman, why do. Why are white women so obsessed with being thin?

[B]

Yeah, I mean, I. I think it's true. And. And obviously this is not all the way across the board, but I just have friends of different cultures, and they just have a different. Just shapes are different. They just have a different view of.

[A]

Of.

[B]

Of weight and shape. And so it's not to say that, you know, they might not want to lose weight too, or they might not want to look a certain way. I think there's standards in every culture for the way we look. So we all have body issues. We all need whole body theology.

[A]

That is.

[B]

That is the great we equalizer.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And the Bible applies to everyone. Everyone, everybody, every culture. That's what I love about God. But I just think that we do have this sort of thing. And I do think it is prevalent in white culture that we are all thin, thin, thin women, shrink, shrink, shrink. And I think it's with white women. I think it's with white men. And so, anyway, that's a side note. But, yes, there are things that I think are going too far for me that I won't do. What about you? I'm so fascinated.

[A]

So I'll tell you. I am. I am. I mean, I'm struggling right now. So I've had Botox in the past. I've never been a regular user of it, but I've had it before, and I haven't had it for a very long time. You can see how expressive my face is. And as an actor, I need the expression on my face to emote and play out the scenes in whatever emotional capacity that it presents in the script. And so I don't want a frozen face.

[B]

Right.

[A]

For that. However, every year that goes by, and I just had my 49th birthday, my wrinkles are getting thicker and deeper and more and more. And I. Look at my face. I mean, any. Any woman. You don't have to be on TV to feel this way, obviously. But I can. I get these close ups of this really tight shot on my face in my movies. And the lighting helps it. I mean, they do. They do me real good on them on the movies to kind of soften that lighting and make it look as good. But I am struggling so badly to see myself age on camera.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Been on camera since I was five years old.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But really. And I feel like I look pretty good. But it. But it's just like from Last year's movie to this year's movie. I'm like, oh, oh, I see it. And it's getting harder for me, and so I really don't want to have Botox. And there's parts of me for.

[B]

For.

[A]

And it comes down to the why, right? I mean, that's what I think all of this comes down to, is the why. So there's. There's parts of me that say, like, I look at my mom. My mom has never had any work done ever. And she just would never. She. It's just. She's like, why? This is my body God gave me. I love it. It's happy. And. Yeah, like, I don't need that stuff. Your dad loves me, and it's fine. And I. And she's aged beautifully. So I look at someone like my mom, and I'm like, I want to age like that. I want to age gracefully and beautifully, and yet I see myself on camera. And it gets harder every year to look at it. And then you. You do not. Not from sound people, but you. You get the comments of like, oh, well, she's getting old. Well, she's not looking as good as she used to. I mean, that's just an about that. But it. It's. It's really hard to listen to. Sure. And so I'm fighting Botox right now. My flesh wants the Botox so bad, and I have. I am doing everything not to have it. So I'm doing all my skin care. I'm wearing my frownies, which kind of like. And I. I'm actually looking at your face right now. And when you talk like, you still have a smooth forehead unless you raise your eyebrows, but you don't naturally raise your eyebrows when. So your forehead looks like a baby's butt to me right now. It's, like, all perfectly smooth. But I talk, and it's just like everything's going off, and the makeup sits in deeper into the lines. I'm just a very expressive person, and so I want it. Jump in. I'm going to keep going, but jump in.

[B]

Oh, no, no. There's nothing to jump. I was just thinking, because you're an actress, you've had to be expressive, though. I. I haven't had to be expressive, so I haven't had to. To do all that with my forehead.

[A]

Because you're a rock. You're like, it's strange.

[B]

She has. She has no emotion. She doesn't need her forehead. I know. I actually love it. But one thing I was thinking real quick when you were Talking is the. The question of why. I think what we always say to ourself is, well, why not? But why don't we ask ourselves why instead of why not?

[A]

Right, Right. Well, so here. So here's what. But what has helped me resist. And again, listen, by the time this comes out, I might have Botox. I don't know. I just don't know. I'm just being totally honest that I am fighting it because I have shot three movies this year back to back to back.

[B]

Are you fighting it because it's a conviction? Are you fighting it because you think, why are you fighting?

[A]

Well, that's what I'm trying to figure it out. Okay, so right now I have. I love my social community on Instagram and Tick Tock. And so I love talking to you guys there. I love your messages. People always ask me questions like, what's your skin care? Do you do Botox? And I'm like, look at my forehead. No, I don't do Botox. I've never had filler in my face. I've never, like, none of that. And I have had countless, countless comments from people that say, thank you for not getting Botox. Thank you for being a real woman. Thank you for letting me see a famous person or someone on TV or a celebrity age with grace. Thank you for helping me feel okay in my own skin, because you're not putting that in your face. Thank you for allowing me to age gracefully and naturally. And there are so many messages, Lisa, and they make me cry, but they convict me so much. And so right now, I am holding off solely because of all of you that send me the comments and that write in. And I know in my heart I want to age as beautifully as my mom, and I believe I will. But the industry that I'm in is making it so hard. It's just like the pressure. It's not even the pressure from people telling me that I should do it, but I'm just visually looking. Let me look at all the other actresses that are around my age. What age am I playing on camera? How are my leading men aging? That's the other thing. Men. Men just get more gorgeous as they get older.

[B]

They do not have to deal with this.

[A]

And then women just look old. Like, you know what I mean?

[B]

I know.

[A]

So I'm having all the feelings about it, and I'm kind of a person at this point. That's why, again, this is just my opinion. And I'm like a Never say never. I'm not writing it in a book because I can't tell you that. I might not have it.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

At some point you're saying as of.

[B]

Today, as of this moment.

[A]

Yeah, I don't have any. I'm not getting it today, but I'm thinking about it. You know, those are. The wrinkles on my face are a hard one. Can I just tell you a story?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Oh, my gosh. I feel I suddenly have a lot to say, guys. I didn't even have a matcha. I'm fired up. I'm fired up.

[B]

This conversation will bring it out. I'm telling you, not even to. We're only on one thing. This might be a two hour show.

[A]

Oh, my goodness. So I just shot a movie and there's a flashback scene in it and it's supposed to be from 15 years ago. So I'm supposed to be about 30 years old. So we taped the, we filmed the scene and it was really fun to put on clothes where I look like it's from 2010, you know, and, oh, it just wasn't so cute. But it was just fun to put on the fashion. So then we, we shoot the movie. But then in post, that means after we've shot it, we put the whole movie together. Well, then it goes to vfx, it goes to effects. So they are then gonna color correct the movie. They add in whatever kind of effects that they need to, to bring it together. Well, the effects will then digitally alter my face so that I look younger. That's how we're doing 15 years younger. So what they're going to do is smooth my wrinkles out. They'll do it on my forehead. They'll get it around my crow's feet. And I, I've asked them, I said, you know, my, my cheeks were a little puffier too. Like in a good way. I hate that as I'm getting older that. Because the cheeks make you, like, keep you young. Yeah, cheeks are a good thing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So my face is thinner and I'm like, is there any way you can kind of like puff my cheeks up a little for this flashback too? And they're like, okay, it all depends on money.

[B]

Right?

[A]

The more you do, the more it costs.

[B]

That's that every, every alteration is money.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. So they kind of told me they're, yeah, yeah, this is what we can easily do for the budget that you have. So they recapped and said what we're going to concentrate on is your forehead, your crow's feet around your mouth, your smile lines. And I go, great. And then he and then he goes, and your neck.

[B]

It's the first thing I.

[A]

No, hold on. I was like, wait, what?

[B]

What?

[A]

My. My neck? You need to do something to my neck. I, Lisa, have never considered that my neck looks old, that my neck has aged. I think other people's neck ages. My neck has not aged.

[B]

I actually think your neck looks awesome, by the way.

[A]

Oh, my gosh. This whole horrified me. I didn't even think about it. And then when he told me he's going to work on my neck, I'm like, oh, great, I'm going back to therapy.

[B]

I got another thing to think of, what is happening.

[A]

Yeah, but this is this. Like, as much as I joke about it, this is my reality. This is my reality of how I have to age in front of a lot of people. And I know I choose this job. I love this job and I want to be in it, but it's a whole other psychological thing in my brain that I have that I think about on a different level than I would say a lot of people do. Like so many of you, I have seasons where stress, low energy, and feeling off balance start to take a toll physically and emotionally. That's why it's important to find real, effective support for your health. I found it through new ethics, and it's making a huge difference in my life. Lately, I've been loving a few supplements from Newethics. I've been taking court ease every day for the last seven months. It's helped me manage stress in a healthy way and stay centered throughout the day. New D3 plus K2 supports my immune system and bone health, both things we want to stay on top of as we get older. And they also make a great greens product called Gourmet Greens that taste delicious because it doesn't taste like bitter greens. There's an espresso flavor, but I'm not a coffee drinker, so I got the berry blend and you can taste the blueberries, blackberries, and raspberries. It's fruity, but it's not too sweet. It's packed with antioxidants and digestive support. New ethics. Greens are designed to promote natural energy and overall wellness. Taking care of my health is a top priority. I think you know that. I want to be proactive in finding supplements that support my body in a clean, honest way that I feel good about. And I know you do, too. Visit newethics.com the link is in the show notes. And don't forget to use my code Candice for a special discount at checkout. There's a lot going on in the world right now, and sometimes it feels overwhelming. But the Bible reminds us there's a steady foundation beneath it all, a source of hope that can't be shaken. The promises of Scripture were first made to the people of Israel. Right now, there are thousands of people who share these foundations of our faith who need our help. Many in Israel and Eastern Europe face everyday challenges like getting food, medicine and having their basic needs met. That's why I'm sharing with you about the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. They've been providing real help and Hope for over 40 years. If you want to learn more or get involved, visit ifcj.org that's ifcj.org I don't know about you, but I love to colorfully mark up my Bible. And Mr. Pen is the company dedicated to creating pens and highlighters specifically to be used in your Bible. How cute is this? The ink doesn't bleed through the page and there are so many color palettes to choose from paired with their other products like transparent sticky tape, sticky notes and tabs, and washi tape. And you can create the perfect combinations to make studying Scripture an even more meaningful experience. With over 1 million 5 star reviews on Amazon, they are the most popular Bible highlighters and pens on the market. That's why I use them. Whether you're looking to deepen your faith through study and reflection or or simply need a reliable penalty pen for taking notes During a sermon, Mr. Penn has you covered. To get 10 off your first Mr. Pen order, go to Candacepens.com Join me in diving into the Word in 2025. Go to Candacepens.com to get 10 off your Mr. Penn order.

[B]

You're under a different kind of pressure. I mean, that is a crazy thing to have to do. I mean, I cringe anytime I have to get promo photos for my new book or whatever that's coming out because I'm like, oh, these photos look different than last year's photos or whatever. So I relate to that on a very small scale. But, but I, I I relate to a huge portion of what you're talking about too. With what my mother is very natural. She's very beautiful. Her skin, a lot of our skin stuff is genetic too, because her skin's amazing. So fortunately, you know, I was able to get skin from her. But, but I will say the responsibility factor I get because I think one of the things that is important is what we are showing young women.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I do think that there is a very real aspect of showing young women what real faces look like. Because if we erase all real faces, faces, then. Then it just puts such high pressure on them to keep up with faces that aren't even real. And just. That's just a real hard for me to think that when that young women my daughter's age are going to be thinking. And we know that's true because they're getting Botox younger and younger now they're getting Botox in their 20s.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean, that was unheard of when we were that age. And there was Botox, you weren't getting that at that age. And so I'm like, this is just.

[A]

Yeah, because they're saying preventative now. And I'm like, wait, what?

[B]

I know, exactly. So anyway, but along the lines of Botox, you've got the lip filler and all that. And I think all of those things are kind of iterations of the same thing, which is, what alterations are you willing to get? What's the motive? Instead of asking why not? Why are we not asking why? Like, why. Why do we want.

[A]

Why do we want it? Right, right.

[B]

And so I think that's where I at least land is. Lisa, why are you wanting this right now? Why do you feel like. Because your lips thin as you get old.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So it's like, I used to have nicer, juicier lips and now they're, like, looking thinner and thinner. And I'm like, oh, man. You know, I wish they were bigger, but at the same time, like, why? Why do I wish they were bigger? Just because I think I would be prettier. Because I would. And so I really, honestly, Candace, have started to work on the inner beauty of myself more. I think the more we focus on what can I do to fix my outside, sometimes we forget about our insides and there is much more work to do on who we are.

[A]

That's really what it comes down to. And I'll also say, because it's interesting. I travel a lot, so being in different cities represents different groups of people in that you go to a smaller, more rural town, you're seeing less filler, less Botox, less alterations. But you can go to a city like la. I was just in Phoenix not long ago, and I was actually shocked at where I was in the Phoenix, Scottdale, Scottsdale area, how much work people had. And again, I'm not. I'm not just saying this judgy, but I was just surprised by it. But I understand, especially being in la, most, like, a lot of people have work done. And when you're looking at that on a daily basis. That influences us.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And so when you're constantly seeing. So if you're a mom and your kids are in school, I would, I would also say that what your socioeconomics status is, that also plays into it. So if you're, if you're in more affluent areas, you tend to see more people have stuff done.

[B]

That's. That's very true.

[A]

And so when you're surrounded by that or you're not surrounded by that, I think that's. That's what gets into our heads a lot. So what I'm trying to say is, like, maybe you go to send your kids to a private school, and I'm not calling out all private schools, but like, they cost money. And so you just see that there's more moms, have more stuff done. Those are the crowds that you're hanging out with. But when you're inundated with it and you're going to pick up your kids from school, but like, all the moms, you're like, oh, you can tell she's had this work done, he's had this work done. They. It makes you feel very aware of yourself and then maybe self conscious if you don't have that. And then you start considering, well, should I, like, so many of them have it. Whereas if you were in a different place, and I would say more rural places, you're not seeing it as much. So the thoughts don't even enter your mind as much because it's not a standard that you feel like you have to keep up with. The Joneses is right.

[B]

You're talking about the issue of pressure, I think.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, how much pressure do we feel? So that's in line with. Was something that I do, Candace, which is like, like the biblical stuff. So a lot of these are not issues of. There's nothing biblical about, like, do I get Botox or not? The Botox is not in the Bible. Exactly Right. So then that's where people struggle because they say, well, I don't know what the line is, is. I mean, I've seen plenty of comments on stuff that you've put and people have said, what's the line? I have a focus, a body focus group. And people have asked me this so many times. How do I know what the line is of what work to get done? So for me, even though things aren't in the Bible, to know exactly what that line is, there are things that you can look to biblically, and this is how I make a lot of Decisions Biblically, there are things that I can look to to know how to make decisions with the help of the Holy Spirit as to, to what to do and what not to do. Okay, so first of all, does it bring God glory? And, and this is living with that whole body theology glory mindset. So it might not be a yes or no. It might not be yes, this clearly brings God glory or yet or no, it doesn't. So in that we have to be pray, we have to pray, we have to seek God, we have to be honest with ourselves, which is often hard for us because we're not really self aware. But if we really think about it, it, it's the question of is this bringing me glory or God glory?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And that is a question two, does it make me more holy? Because in scripture in a couple places, Leviticus, first, Peter, it's, it's the, you know, God says be holy for I am holy. So that is a clear scriptural thing. Right. Third, and you just mentioned it, is it wise? So what am I investing mentally, financially, emotionally to do it? Some of us are spending money on procedures that we financially don't have the means to do. And then four, is it consistent with scripture? So some things we have to look into. A bit like Hebrews when it talks about let us run the race with endurance. So some things for me, if they're a quick fit fix, it's not really consistent with what I know from scripture about my walk with the Lord being one of endurance. That suggests that this is going to be long, that this is going to be difficult. It's not going to be quick answers, it's not going to be quick fix. Whether it's a spiritual thing battle that I'm facing or whether it's transformation in my body. So I'm going to have to work for it. I might have to go through a workout process, a movement that takes me a while to transform.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then five, does it help me on my freedom road of glory that we talked about in another show? So instead of a moment, it's going to be the freedom road. So those are some things for me when I'm making decisions, where the line is that I look at when I'm saying, well there is some biblical help and guidance here. Might not be listed in the Bible, can I get lip filler or can I get a boob job?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I've got some biblical guidance here. And guess what, Holy Spirit is indwelling me so he can help me know what to do.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, I agree with. I agree with all of that. And I think some people listening might think, like, okay, well, you know, I don't want a boob job just for the sake of vanity, but I've, you know, breastfed my six kids, and it's just hanging skin now.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

And this feels awful, and I would like it tightening up. Same with maybe, you know, I had a girlfriend that carried twins and the amount of skin that was left, so she wanted a tummy tuck. And, you know, I don't know that those reasons. Yes, they're vanity, but not in a way that is public vanity, because they're like, nobody's seeing this part of my body, but for me, I don't feel good in it. So is doing that okay, or.

[B]

You had cancer.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And you. Reconstruction.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Yeah. I mean.

[A]

Right. So I'm just.

[B]

I don't think that's. To me, that's an issue that you have to talk to the Holy Spirit about.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But, I mean, I feel like those are. For me, I would not feel the same, I think, weightiness about something like that. Then I would. In another instance, I think, especially if I had. Had, say, cancer and I was gonna have a reconstruction, I think that would be very different. I don't know. What do you think about it?

[A]

No, I. I mean, listen, I'm. Honestly, I'm become more. I've become less and less judgmental.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I think I had a lot stronger opinions when I was younger. And as I'm getting older and my body's changing and you realize those things. And I also have lots of friends that are going through their things.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And first and foremost, everything that we've been talking about this entire season is what that I want to share with them. And what I do share with them, first and foremost, is who they are in God and how much God loves them. It's that whole body theology.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But then when it comes to the aesthetic, when they do know that, I'm like, I just. I just don't care about what their choices are in the sense that I think I could be much more judgmental in the past, going, like, I can't believe she got her lips done. That is, like, right. Or I can't believe they went on Ozempic or whatever. Weight loss, a GLP1. I can't believe. Like, why would they do that? And I think I. I mean, I could examine that. There could be, like, a point of jealousy for me to go, oh, they're taking the easy way out. I've been working my butt off My whole life, and I'm trying to do it naturally, and that sucks. They got it the easy way. So there's a point of jealousy, if I'm being honest. But then I've also looked at it, and I've seen my friends that have gone on it, that have just struggled, and they're like, they, it's freed their mind. And I'm talking about people that do understand body theology. So I, I know you don't totally agree with that, and that's okay, but I've seen it, and I'm like, like, yeah, I just have less judgment about it, is what I'm saying. And again, this is not me giving you permission because you're like, well, Candace said it's okay. I'm just sharing my opinion that, like, I, I. It feels icky for me to judge that type of thing right towards my friend. And I'm like, why am I even. It's not my decision. It truly is between you and God. And if you and God have talked about it and that's the right thing that you feel for you, then like, yes, I want to be your friend, and I will stand by your side and go, I'm so happy for you.

[B]

Yeah, I'm totally with you on that part. I mean, I am not. I don't stand in judgment of anybody, because first of all, I've got enough over here. This is a lot to deal with. You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm also talking as a woman who has struggled my whole life, so it's not like, you know, I'm out in the clouds and I don't understand a struggle. And honestly, I probably would have stood in line for a GLP1 before I wrote this Bible study. I could have. I was a great candidate for it. You know, I can't sit here and say that there wouldn't have been a part of me that wouldn't have wanted to do that. I mean, I mean, I think my whole Listen, I.

[A]

And you don't. Because I was on Slim Fast.

[B]

I was on all the things. So, you know, I mean, those were just different iterations of all of that. I don't. Because it is inconsistent with my glory mindset, which is at this point, that I don't believe that because of what I've put my body through, because I have always wanted the quick way. Didn't say it was the easy way. I said it was the quick way. Because I know that there are still things that I can do with movement and eating well and well, nourishing my body. I've had some blood work done, so I know that there's some imbalances and some things that I need to do. I just do not want to put something else in my body when I really am committed to a very natural process at this point.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because I think that brings the most glory to God in my body.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I do not. I do not. I'm not in a judgment mindset of anybody. I push back a little bit on the idea that. That it's fine. And this whole idea sort of to each their own, because I think for a long time that the church has sort of adopted that theory. And as a Bible teacher, I've got to tell you the truth. I've got to tell you the truth about scripture. And so what I would love for people to do is really learn the whole body theology and then make the decision. And so what I'm concerned about is that a lot of people are taking the GLP ones that don't know that yet.

[A]

Right.

[B]

They don't have that base yet.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And so this still is sort of looked at as the solution.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because we're still over here in body topic land, but have skipped that step.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so what I would feel more comfortable with is if they learn that and then made that decision.

[A]

Yeah, sure.

[B]

Delisa Whittle, whatever you want to do is fine. I'm not here to sit and judge. But I would love for that. That step to be learned first and then make that decision.

[A]

I agree with that.

[B]

Yeah, absolutely. And I also think, Candace, that we often will. Will curb our convictions to whatever we want them to be. Right. So we'll say, I. I feel good about this. God and I are good with this because we want to be good with it. Right. So I'm not your Holy Spirit. I'm not anybody's Holy Spirit, and I got a lot over here to deal with. But I. I think that's really important to look at and look at it in terms of the Bible and then make a decision.

[A]

Yeah, I think so, too. Yeah, I'm. I'm with you. The why is the big question. Like, and that's not why not.

[B]

But why.

[A]

But why. Yeah. And that's what I think about often. And then, yeah, conviction kicks in, and I'm like, my why is not good enough for me to make some of those decisions that I really would like to make.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So I'm just going to kind of fight through it and keep. Keep asking the why as I go through the journey. Okay, let's Talk about. Let's talk about this quickly. I. This conversation has gone by so fast. Oh, my goodness. We had an overwhelming amount of questions asking about menopause, and one of them, La Fam said, please talk to me about perimenopause. It's not talked about enough. So many women are left loss. C. Mahan says, are you experiencing perimenopause symptoms? Are you doing hormone replacement therapy or anything? Cami asked, are. Has. Have you experienced menopause? Belly. I mean, there's so many perimenopause and menopause. And I know this because I've. I, like, mentioned it once on my Instagram and it was like, whoa. Like floods of comments with perimenopause and menopause. And so I don't know how much you're willing to share with where you're at in your journey. I will just share that I am not in menopause. I do not believe I'm experiencing any perimenopause symptoms. My doctor has told me that I am not in perimenopause. I thank God every month I get my period. I'm so happy. As much as my husband hates it, because you know what that means. He's always like, make it go away. And I'm like, no, this keeps me young, honey. And you want me to have this. You want me to have this as long as possible. So. So I. And that actually might be freeing to someone listening because I am grateful every month that I still have it. I really am, because it, it's. It has to do with our hormones and our body. And it's, it's actually, you know, unless you have problems with it specifically. But if you're generally healthy with it, it's. It's a good thing as we age. So. So I don't have anything to add to the conversation yet.

[B]

Okay, so they're waiting for you to add to the conversation. That's why they're like, yes, Candace is talking about it. Well, you'll have a lot to say about it. You're right, though. Be grateful that you. You still have because your body loves estrogen and it loves to make estrogen. I'm not a doctor. I did not Play 1 on TV. But my experience was. Was difficult. And I think a lot of women have had difficult experiences. Very, very briefly, at 47, I was had having some uterine cysts was causing a lot of heavy bleeding. And so we had to go in and we didn't have to remove a lot of my lady parts, but it Was a choice between removing the cysts them, a possibility of them growing back, or just removing the things that I don't need anymore. But I was not in menopause at the time and I was told that it would not throw me into menopause, but it in fact did. So I didn't realize because I wasn't expecting to be thrown into menopause, that I would be in, in menopause. And so I was told that I would feel great afterwards and feel better than ever. And about three months AF post surgery, I was filming a Bible study and I was on set and I felt worse than ever. I felt actually very, very terrible. I had lots of really bad symptoms, just I won't go into all of them, but that there was a lot of painful things going on in my body. Very, very tired, very, very hormonal, just all over the map. And felt deep despair. A lot of things that I'd never felt before. My husband was like, you're supposed to feel better. You are actually worse than ever. And so this is crazy, but I had a friend who suggested that I do one of those tests through the mail that where you spit into to a tube and prick your finger. It was like to get general idea of where you were. So I did that and I sent it in and when it came back, it had like seven things wrong. My li. My levels were all over the map. And so I immediately took it to my doctor and my doctor said, oh, you're in menopause. And I was like, oh, this is interesting. And so I had suffered for months and didn't know it.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

And so, yes, I'm on hormone replacement, really low dose and I did research on it and there's the ex. The, you know, experts are very split on this, but I feel comfortable, comfortable with it. It was a matter of necessity, so. But I'm still continuing on the journey to see if I'm on the right dose at this point. Is there a point where I go off of it? But I'm still in menopause technically, but the hormone replacement keeps me from having terrible hot flashes, keeps my mood stabilized. I'm in a generally good place with it because of that, I believe. And so, yeah, it's, it's interesting. I've had, I've experienced hair loss, just a lot of difficult things. So my, my advice would be to really see a doctor, but also I, I see someone who's in more of the natural path as well. And I believe in both. I really do. I think you can do A lot of things to help yourself. I mean, I take some great supplements. I'm on magnesium. I do colostrum, you know, collagen. I mean, all of those kinds of things I think are really good for your body. Hydration is so super important. Movement, all of it. See, I'm not against body topics.

[A]

Not at all.

[B]

Now I got it under my whole body.

[A]

I know there's. Listen, I. There are so many more questions and actually we're gonna do one whole episode just of your questions so we can talk about this more because we've run out, out of time. I'm so sorry. But we will come back to some of this. I. Yeah, everything you said was great. I have more to add, but I. We, we have to go. We have to go. So you have to come back next week. All right. Today. Well, today was actually fun. Maybe. Was it practical? I don't know if it was practical. It was just opinionated. And if you want more, well, the Whole Body guide is truly your next step. Get it [e-mail] or in the episode notes. And really what we want you to get is Lisa's Body and Soul Bible study book. It's what straight started this whole conversation. And it truly is that deep rooted theology and the foundation of who we are in relationship to God. And if you think of any other questions that you would like us to cover, well, it'll be in a future episode [e-mail] until next time, be grateful all day, every day. Candy Rock Entertainment. All rights reserved.

[B]

Sam.