LET'S NAME LIZZ'S BABY!!!

Summary

The Carpool with Kelly and Lizz – Episode Summary

Episode: LET'S NAME LIZZ'S BABY!!!
Date: July 8, 2026
Hosts: Kelly Stumpe & Lizz St. John
Guest: Colleen (of Naming Bebe – Baby Name Consultant)

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Overview

In this lively and heartfelt episode, Kelly and Lizz are joined by professional baby name consultant Colleen (Naming Bebe) for a long-anticipated, real-time baby-naming consultation for Lizz’s soon-to-arrive third child. The episode blends everything fans love — candid motherhood chats, family traditions, personal challenges, and plenty of laughter — with a deep discussion on choosing the perfect baby name. Practical parenting tips, playful dips into family dynamics, and relatable modern mom humor abound.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Catching Up: Life Updates & Summer Mom Wins

• Post-4th of July Lake Trips ([03:09])
  • Kelly is thriving as a "kid mom," loving active summer days with her children at the lake.
  • Joy in organizing traditional games and letting her older kids play with cousins.
  • Reflection on getting her body back post-pregnancy: “I love being a kid mom again. …I don't want summer to end.” (Unnamed Beta St. John, [03:09])
• Lizz’s Pregnancy Struggles ([06:12])
  • Lizz discusses dealing with pelvic girdle pain and feeling humbled after easier pregnancies: “I thought I was so good at being pregnant… I've been immediately humbled, and I'm struggling in a big way.” (Lizz, [06:16])
  • Shares gratitude for family support and voices the real discomfort many late-stage pregnant moms experience.

Mom Hacks: Seasonal Parenting & Family Gear

• Clothing and Life Jackets ([11:15])
  • Strong recommendation for “Life is Good” t-shirts as a cost-effective, high-quality option for matching family outfits.
  • Advice for young lake families: buy all the same color (ideally red, white, blue) life jackets for easy identification and maximizing cute, seasonal photos.
• Color Coordination & Crocs ([13:36])
  • Kelly shares her strategy for seasonal color palettes when buying clothes/shoes for kids for smoother mornings and festive looks.

Feeding the Crew: Party Dip Recipes ([19:28])

• Quick, nostalgic family-favorite dips:
  • Mama J's Taco Dip: Sour cream, taco seasoning, cheese, tomatoes; serve with chips. ([19:54])
  • Susie's Chili Cream Cheese Dip: Cream cheese, canned chili (no beans), cheddar—baked and served with Fritos. ([21:01])
  • “Both gone — scraping the pan…” (Unnamed Beta St. John, [22:12])
• The dips segment is classic Carpool: simple, practical for busy moms, and perfect for lake weekends or parties.

Influencer Icks & Real-Life Pregnancy

• Aesthetic Internet Expectations ([16:08])
  • Lizz expresses her new “ick” over influencers doing “pack my hospital bag” content with brand-new, Amazon-purchased items: “It’s all brand new stuff. I don’t know if you actually use this stuff.” (Lizz, [16:08])
  • Opens up about packing with ‘old, crusty’ but beloved pajamas, inviting listeners to normalize practical, imperfect reality.

The Main Event: Baby Naming Consultation with Colleen ([26:11] onward)

Philosophy & Style Talk ([27:23])

• Emphasis on classic, vintage names that “put smiles on old people's faces.”
• Both Kelly and Lizz’s kids sport traditional names with a nod to modern trends (ex: Sloane, Rory).
• Discussion on the emotional resonance of names and how generations interact with them.

Notable Quotes:

• "I am single handedly putting smiles on old people's faces every single day when I go out with my children because of their names." (Unnamed Beta St. John, [27:42])
• "It's so true. Like, the most compliments I get are from people, like, 65 and up." (Colleen, [28:03])

Lizz’s Naming Dilemmas ([32:08])

• Lizz likes “cool-girl” and masculine/unisex names for girls (ex: Cameron, Ryan), but Maddie (her husband) prefers more historic/traditional female names (ex: Catherine, Madeline, Aurelia).
• Both are attracted to French & Irish roots; names considered have included Gwen, Margot, Maeve, Cecilia, Quinn, Aurelia, Saoirse.
• The spelling/pronunciation issue is real: “Names that you like the sound of but hate the spelling of.” (Unnamed Beta St. John & Colleen, [35:09])

Memorable Moment:
Colleen instantly identifies “Saoirse” as the “impossible to spell” Irish name, displaying true name-nerd prowess. ([35:00])

Family Traditions & Legacy ([38:38])

• Consideration of meaningful family names: “Is Kelly the middle name contender?” (Colleen, [29:44])
• Names like Christine (mom), Elizabeth (herself), and family surnames are also on the table for middle names.
• Guest brings in research on family tree (Uncle Bill) and offers up “Willa”/“Billie”, “Kit”, and “Wilhelmina” as suggestions.

Matching Sibling Names: Flow & Practicality ([41:07])

• The process includes saying siblings’ names together to check for tongue-twisters or aesthetic discord (ex: “Sloan and Cecilia” vs. “Sloan and Lila”).
• Short, strong, single-syllable possibilities like June, Rose, Kit — all get discussed in detail.
• Nickname logistics, matchy initials (S for Sloane/St. John, J for James), and what happens if the family grows to four.

Pop Culture, Trends, and “Margot Epidemic” ([55:31])

• “There’s a Margot epidemic,” Colleen quips, noting how rapidly some names rise and spread ("my concern about [Margot]").
• Discussion on how name popularity evolves and how to decide when trendiness matters or doesn’t.

Final Consulting Notes – The Shortlist ([53:06], [56:58])

• Names that rise for both the hosts and Colleen:
  • Kit: Vintage, punchy, one-syllable, honors Catherine/Christine.
  • June & Claire: On-again, off-again frontrunners, praised for simplicity yet style.
  • Margot, Maeve, Rose: Vigorous discussion on their freshness, classic appeal, and popularity.
  • Sienna, Camille, Stella, Fiona: Explored as alternates with French/Irish ties or sibling flow.
  • Still no final answer — but lots of new directions to discuss as a couple.
• Reflective moment on growth, “mom gets the final say," and compromise: “At the end of the day, Liz is having the baby… I do have a little bias toward, like, the mom gets the final say.” (Colleen, [31:34])
• The consultation ends with gratitude and excitement to finally settle on a name, and a reminder that naming is deeply personal.

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Notable Quotes & Moments with Time Stamps

• On Naming Old-World Names:
  • “I am single handedly putting smiles on old people's faces every single day…” (Unnamed Beta St. John, [27:42])
• On Naming Styles Clash:
  • “If I could name the baby, it would be Gwen.” (Liz, [33:18])
  • “He really loves names rooted in history.” (Liz, [33:50])
• On Internet Standards:
  • “I almost felt like I was doing it wrong because I don’t have anything new in my bag.” (Lizz, [17:02])
• On Sisterly Support:
  • “It’s just so fun to have my whole body to myself… I’m just having so much fun.” (Unnamed Beta St. John, [03:41])
• On Family Name Dynamics:
  • “Kit St. John…you just have the best last name. So automatically any name sounds good.” (Colleen, [40:06])
• On Ending the Consultation:
  • “It's just nice to talk it through with someone else…" (Liz, [58:41])
• On Tall Girl Names & Shrek:
  • “When you’re probably gonna have a six foot tall daughter, do you name her after the most famous ogre out there?” (Liz, [61:32])

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Lake Weekend Family Recap: [03:09] – [06:12]
• Lizz’s Pregnancy Update: [06:12] – [07:40]
• Parenting Product Recap (Clothing/Life Jackets): [11:15] – [14:49]
• Mom Hack: Summer Organization: [13:36] – [15:07]
• Snack Dip Recipes for Parties: [19:28] – [22:35]
• Influencer Hospital Bag 'Ick': [16:08] – [18:23]
• Naming Consultation Intro: [26:11]
• Family/Classic Name Discussions: [27:23] – [39:46]
• Sibling Name Flow & Patterns: [41:07] – [43:15]
• Margot Alternatives: [55:31] – [56:58]
• Wrap-up & Meal Advice: [62:19] – [62:57]

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Closing

No name was officially picked, but the process gave listeners a valuable, honest, and fun look at real-life baby naming, the power of tradition, and the challenge of compromise. Whether you’re a fellow mom, expecting, or just love names, this episode is packed with energy, wisdom, and love.

Final Words:
"It’s just nice to talk it through with someone… and to hear someone else say the names out loud other than me and my husband." (Liz, [58:41])

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Transcript

[Kelly]

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[Liz]

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[Kelly]

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[Colleen]

Welcome to the Carpool podcast with Kelly.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

You're showing someone a song that they don't know and then you like, sing it to them and it's like, shut up. Like, let me listen to it. Like, sorry, I haven't heard the song. First of all, you singing it poorly is not helping me.

[Liz]

And Liz, you know what? I don't even like, you haven't heard that song? No, I don't. Pull out your phone and put Spotify on.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Oh, don't pull out your mom.

[Colleen]

Time off starts now.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Welcome back to the Carpool podcast with Kelly and Liz and the unnamed Beta St. John. But yeah, stay tuned because she may be named by the end of this episode.

[Liz]

We have Colleen from Naming Bibi come on to give me a naming consultation, which is literally my dream come true.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

It was like I could sit in on them all day. Like, if she ever needs an assistant, a sounding board. Like, if anyone wants me in my no experience to do a baby naming consult, like, I would love to. I love baby names. I'm obsessed.

[Liz]

It's really fun. And this is the only time in your life that you could do it. Like, you really get one shot because even when you have like grandbabies, like, you gotta stay out of that conversation. Like, you have to get so far out of that. This is your only time to do it. And it's really fun and it's really exciting.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Naming animals, like, just does nothing for me. Like we have so many animals. Like you think it would like scratch the itch a little bit? It doesn't scratch my itch at all to want to name another baby.

[Liz]

Well, because a baby, you're thinking about an adult, you're thinking of who they're going to be have. I love carry the name.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

I love the sib set as she calls them. Like how it sounds like other kids names. I just, yeah, I love all of it.

[Liz]

I love it also. It was really fun. Literally my dream come true. And just like I just like loved sitting there and just like having someone just like listen to me talk about all my irrational thoughts about.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

And she asked hard hitting questions. You know one of her first questions out of the gate was what about Kelly? And I think we've all been wondering what about the name Kelly?

[Liz]

I think you've been probably. No, I think a lot of people have actually. Oh okay. Well stay tuned because I answer what about Kelly?

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Anyway, before that it's post 4th of July and I'm just so pleased to report that I again once again love being a kid Mom. I am sorry to be annoying. Thriving for so many summers. It hadn't been my summer and this summer is in fact my summer.

[Liz]

I know. No, I'm very happy for you. It's very much deserved. You very much earned it and I am just so happy to see you happy.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

I love. It's just so fun to have my whole body to myself to give it all to my children in a more in a different way than like a pregnancy breastfeeding way. And I'm just having so much fun. We had such a good time at the lake. The kids had so much fun and like I, I'm getting to my where it's like I don't want summer to end. Like what.

[Liz]

But just thinking about you saying like you're giving your body to your kids in a way it's like yeah like you getting on a tube with Libby. Your kids are probably like mom's getting on a tube normally. Because normally mom's been sitting in, in in the boat breastfeeding. A b. Couldn't get on the tube.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

No, I love it. And like I just really think, I know we talked about this in the last episode but like my brain is just wired like a child's not like. And I. So we had, we had some of our of my cousin's kids come down and she has like older kids. So I think her kids are like I don't know 10 through or 11 through six. She's got four boys. Like, so she has a lot of kids. And I was just like, I was coming up with the best games. So like we played like. And they're all the games from our childhood. Elizabeth. So we played the one game where like I stood on the other end of the deck. Dock. I'm sorry, the other end of the dock. And they had to try to cannonball to try to get me wet. Like they did it for hours.

[Liz]

Oh yeah, sure.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Like so fun. Or did I get you? And I'm like, not a drop. Try harder. Like it was so funny.

[Liz]

Like, oh no.

[Colleen]

Like let's jump in together.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Like their belly flopping. Like they were having. That's just such a fun game. We played categories classic where you jump off the high dive and mid jump. I say color and you have to say something.

[Liz]

Classic. Yeah, done.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

We had one of those like water mats that like go on the lake and we kept inching it further and further into the water to see if they could clear the jump over it.

[Liz]

So fun.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Like so.

[Liz]

And like games like, cuz you, you've always said you don't love playing like with your kids. You don't like getting on the ground and fighting dinosaurs.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

But like, I'm not doing pretend play.

[Liz]

No, you like this kind of stuff. Like you're having fun.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

You want me to set up a game? Capture the flag. Done. Yeah.

[Liz]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Like let's go. And Georgie and Hattie, we're just like keeping up with them. And it was so fun. Like really, I just had a really great weekend.

[Liz]

It's fun to see your kids with older kids because you see that they're maybe more ready for things or they'll catch on to things that you maybe weren't. Didn't think they were ready for if they can like follow older kids doing it.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Totally.

[Liz]

That's. That's a lot of fun. Well, while you were doing that, I did not go to the Ozarks because I'm just too freaking pregnant.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

And I'll be honest, Liz, you would have probably brought the vibe down.

[Liz]

Well, okay, so this week and I. I've been meaning to post this in the Facebook group because I have been experiencing what Google is and myself I'm diagnosing as pelvic girdle pain, which if you've experienced girdle pain, which 1 in 5 pregnant women do. WTF is this? I am in constant pain. It hurts to walk, it hurts to stand, it hurts to lay down. Like when I'm laying in bed rolling over an agonizing pain so can't believe I have to do this for several more weeks. Doesn't seem right. Doesn't seem fair. I thought with my first one, I thought I was so good at being pregnant. I'm just. Like, I'm. I have no pain. I have no nausea. Like, I'm just built for this. Like, I'm just better. I'm just so good at being pregnant anyway. I've been immediately humbled, and I'm struggling in a big way, but I'm gonna push through.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

You're gonna push through. And we're. I'm. I'm here to help in any way I can.

[Liz]

I mean, Cal, I was laying in bed the other night, and I told Maddie. I'm like, it will be easier to have a baby right now than to. For me to be experiencing this. Like, that's how bad it is. And that's crazy to think that I'm like, I just need to get a third child. I just need a third child out of the womb to take care of, because in the womb, it's not working for me.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

I'm so sorry, Biebs.

[Liz]

It's fine. I am so thankful for you and for mom and for Maddie and for everyone helping me out. So I'm really, really lucky.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Well, I did develop. Or I didn't. I did become aware of, like, a new ick that I just, like, want to bring up, and it's something that I have done in the past, and I just want us to. As, like. As a. As a population, as a generation, if we need to stop doing this.

[Kelly]

Okay.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

You know when you, like, tell someone, like, oh, have you heard this song before? Or, like, you don't know this song, or, like, you know this. You're showing someone a song that they don't know, and then you, like, sing it to them. Like. Like, you're like, let's go. Like, then. And it's like, shut up. Like, let me listen to it. Like, sorry, I haven't heard this song. First of all, you singing it poorly is not helping me and, like, why I can't sing along with you, so just shut up.

[Liz]

You know what? I don't even. Like, you haven't heard that song? No, I don't. Pull out your phone and put Spotify on.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Oh, don't pull out. Send it to me in a text if you're that passionate about it. Because.

[Liz]

Because then we have to sit there for three minutes, and I have to pretend like, I. Like, I. I will maybe grow to like that song, but I need to listen To a song a couple of times. The first time I hear a song, I don't like it. But don't make me sit now in silence with. Well, in silence with you outside of the song playing and like have me have to react and then I'm saying.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

And then they're like singing it, like louder, like pointing at you. Like, you're like, what am I supposed to do with. I don't know this song?

[Liz]

Like, yeah, hate, hate, hate. Okay, I agree.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

That just obviously came up at the lake partying this weekend. You know, in partying we did like, Charlotte posted a recap reel our brother's fiance. And I'm like, oh my gosh. We like drink so much.

[Kelly]

That was my one takeaway from the video.

[Liz]

I'm like, it's a really cute, well done video. Like, like, so much fun. Like, oh my gosh. All they did was drink.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

I did not drink that much. But.

[Liz]

Well, it's also just a snippet of it all, you know, it was just a snippet.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

But you're showing.

[Liz]

You're showing. Yeah, it looked like fun.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

I was playing categories and I mean, I got my hair wet every single day. Like I was in the lake. I'm a fun. I'm a fun mom.

[Liz]

You are fun.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

I just don't like sitting with a baby. Like, I would just so much rather not do that. I would rather be playing with the kids, but not the toddlers. There's a difference for me. I don't want to play with the toddlers. I want to play with the kids. Yeah, another, like, big development because I've already been working on my summer notes and I, at the end of summer, I'm going to give a summer note recap. But like, really, like, to me, the MVP of the weekend was Life is good in their patriotic T shirts. I'm so happy for the recommendation and to have found Life is good T shirts because the one thing about life is good is it' they do. They're. They're a T shirt company. And I love investing in decent play clothes. Like, I like 100% cotton shirt and I like a well made T shirt. I like a T shirt I can pass down. I like a T shirt I can wash a hundred times. And I love Hannah Anderson, Bowden Tea. Those kids shirts are upwards of sometimes they're $29 a pop for a kids T shirt. I'm sorry. Be so for real.

[Liz]

Yeah, be so for real.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

And so sometimes I'll buy them on clearance or sometimes I'll find them thrifting or, like, sometimes I will buy one, but, like, Tea Collection. Who? I love tea. I. I mean, I love Tea Collection. And I do. I do. I buy a ton of resale from them. I do buy some new things. I wanted to buy an American Girl doll shirt for Hattie because they had an American Girl doll edition. It's a $39T shirt. Get out of here. Yeah, I'm not playing that for a child's T shirt. And I'm not a good laundress, so it's going to get stained. If I was a better laundress, maybe I'd feel differently. I'm not.

[Liz]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Life is Good shirts. Great quality, great prints. 100 cotton wash is great. 16. And sometimes they have sales and that is enough. Like, it's. It's a special t shirt. Like, 16 bucks times four. Like, it's still not amazing. It's not $8. It's not cat and Jack. But they are so amazing. I literally cannot wait to see what they can do for fall and Christmas.

[Liz]

Yeah, no, it's. They're good. They're going to be good ones to buy when you just like, buy the siblings the sibling set and it's like a special occasion tea.

[Kelly]

No.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Right. But I'm telling you, I mean, they had one deal where it was like, you bought four, five shirts, you got one for free, so you paid for four shirts. I'm like, okay, that was good. So then it made all the shirts a little cheaper. And they're so.

[Kelly]

Well.

[Liz]

And you're getting to the age, too, where it's like, you can't buy Cat and Jack shirts that are all going to match because Georgian, they don't make them. They're not the same prints. They're not going to go together.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

I don't really need them to match all that much. As much as I'm just looking for,

[Liz]

like, not match, but go together.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Go together. I'm just looking for, like, a fun, festive shirt. And I was just really excited. About what? About what Cat and Jack could do for me.

[Liz]

About what Life is Good could do for you.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Sorry, what did I say? Cat and Jack.

[Liz]

Yeah.

[Kelly]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

No, I'm excited to see what. How Life is Good will continue to serve me.

[Liz]

It's exciting.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Another big note I have for, like, if you are a younger family and you're a lake family, my recommendation to. So, like, Tyler bought us all life jackets. He was very body. Body. Is it called Body glove? Shout out Best life jackets. And Tyler's like, I'm just buying all all of our family matching life jackets. Because when we go to the lake, there's no question, like, which one is which. It's like all the stumpies ones are these blue and orange life jackets. And I was like, it's a good idea. Like, just buy the life jackets. And so we bought like literally two sizes in some of the sizes. Because, like, whatever. We did the math. We own like seven of these life jackets now. And our biggest regret, I looked at him today and I'm like, you should have got them red, white, and blue.

[Liz]

Okay. Yeah.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Because when you're at the lake. Because first of all, summer is patriotic. Like, I'm wearing red, white, and blue always looks good in the summer, whether it's the 4th of July or not. And I was a little mad that all my kids had these like red, white, and blue shirts and shorts and swimsuits, and then they had to put on an orange life jacket.

[Liz]

Oh, it was a really good note. I kind of want to adopt with you guys. I'm gonna do that. I'm trying to find a red, white, and blue. And I'm buying my family all matching life jackets.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Yeah.

[Liz]

Because we, we need to do that. That's a good note. I appreciate that.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

And also I wrote on my note to think about, like, when I'm buying summer clothes for the kids, remember they're going to be wearing a red, A lot of red, white and blue. So, like, only having black shorts isn't very helpful. Like, I'd love a navy. I'd love a red short. Like, I wish George would have had red shorts.

[Colleen]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

You know what?

[Liz]

I think like a color, a color scheme for your child is a good idea. But I like, I like that you, you can make that a seasonal color scheme. So it's like in the, in the fall, he doesn't only have to wear, like, you can, you can introduce greens and such in the fall if you want to. But like, yeah, maybe when you're doing. Because at this age you have to like buy them wardrobes every freaking season.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Yeah.

[Liz]

Maybe like stick to a color scheme.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Well, and I'm thinking about their summer crocs because as you guys know, one of my notes last year was like, I just believe in buying name brand crocs because I just think they hold up well. My kids wear Crocs all summer. Like, that's all we wear. Next summer, I will buy the girls white and I will buy the boys navy. So again, Libby isn't wearing her red, white and blue and these sparkly pink crocs yeah. And guess what? I'm telling you. Our. Our new summer color scheme is red, white, and blue.

[Liz]

I love red. White. I think red, white and blue.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

White and blue with a hint of red. And I can take the white and blue into the other seasons because we wear a lot, a lot of white and blue in this house. And then we'll introduce the red. But, yeah, I'm. I'm not doing. I'm not buying orange shorts anymore. I'm just not doing this. I'm not playing this game.

[Liz]

I. I approve of all of this.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Yeah. So that, that was. That's one of my biggest summer takeaway notes.

[Liz]

Okay.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Because even if we're not, then everyone matches. Everyone goes together. And, like, it's so effortless. Yeah. Yeah. So big note for me.

[Liz]

Okay. I like it.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Don't you like that? Like, I really thought that through.

[Liz]

No, I love it. I'm gonna. I'm going to adopt it. I'm going to. I'm gonna take it. It was hell. It's helpful for me.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Okay.

[Kelly]

So thank you.

[Liz]

Thank you, thank you. Let's see, what else? Something on my. What I'm thinking, we're just like, thinking two totally different things is I'm thinking about my hospital bag, and I have started packing it and I've started watching content around hospital bags in my new ick is. And there's a time that I like this and there's a time that as influencers, we've done things like this. But, like, I'm so sick of watching reels where someone will pack something and it's like everything they just bought off Amazon. And I know you've never used any of this stuff, and you're telling me to comment link for all of the stuff that you just bought that you don't even know if it's good or not. And I see it a lot in packing videos. Like, let's pack my. Let's pack my hospital bag. Let's pack my car. And I'm like, you don't. This is all brand new stuff. I don't know if you actually use this stuff. Like, you know what I mean? I just like the moment I see, like, a clear plastic container that's going to be stuffed with more plastic things. I'm. I'm like, I'm logging off. Like, I'm done. Yeah. But something that I've noticed about the hospital. I started packing my hospital bag and I almost felt like I was doing it wrong because I don't have anything new in my bag. It's like, these are the pajamas I wore, I've had for three years. Yeah, these are the. My toilet. My toiletry bag is, you know, hashtag toiletries remnants all over it. Like, it's not pretty. It's not new. Like, I'm not going to post a pack my hospital bag with me because it's all, like, ugly and not aesthetically pleasing. But because I've watched so many reels of other people packing their beautiful hospital bags, I feel like I'm literally doing it wrong.

[Colleen]

Liz.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

I think, you know, to be a successful content creator, it's also knowing where your strengths lie. And there are going to be more aesthetically pleasing, more organized, better hospital packing videos than you. So don't even throw your hat in the ring. Pick your hat up.

[Liz]

No, I'm not. And so that's not what I'm saying. I'm not gonna throw my hat in the ring. But what I'm saying is that because I've watched so many and because the Internet just has so many beautiful ones and I. I have a false sense of reality.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Yeah.

[Liz]

And I think that's a problem. So I'm just like, drawing.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

I'm trying to solution.

[Liz]

Well, no, I'm just saying that it's normal to not to just have like, your old crusty stuff bringing to the hospital. The only anything new that's coming with me to the hospital is gonna be for the baby because I do like to buy my b. Babies their own individual swaddle because I associate a pattern with my child as a newborn, as we all do. But yeah, like, no, I'm not buying, like, a new robe and new pajamas and new everything. And I'm not gonna. I don't take photos in the hospital. Like, you're just not gonna see it. And I'm just so on, like, that side of Instagram. And I just, like, okay. I don't know. I just, like, I. I just want everyone to. I just want people to know if anyone else is feeling like me and like, their stuff doesn't feel good enough because what you see on the Internet, it's just, they're. It's just, it's not true. It's not real.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

I think that's. I think that's a real. I think it's always good to just remind people of that.

[Liz]

I was just reflecting and I wanted to share my reflections and.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

And that's what this. And that's why you have a platform in the podcast.

[Liz]

Exactly. Exactly. Who else do you want to say to?

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Yeah, I mean, I'm Just, like, wondering, have you gotten any hate for, like, your child not having a room and, like, having a dresser in a hallway? And I also know for a fact you own a Louis Vuitton purse, too.

[Liz]

No, I haven't. I haven't faced any hate for it yet, but I stay off that side of the Internet.

[Kelly]

Right.

[Liz]

I don't look at the hate stuff anymore, and that's all. And that's on growth. No, I haven't. I haven't. I haven't had that yet.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Well, should we give you just so

[Liz]

much more polarizing than me, though?

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

I'm so polarizing.

[Liz]

Yeah. Yeah. We can get to. We can get to our interview. I loved it.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

I want to do. Okay, we don't have to do it on this episode. But, like, also, I just really enjoyed a lot of good, like, snackies and dips this weekend too.

[Liz]

Oh, okay.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

And, like, I just, like, love a snacky and a dip.

[Liz]

Okay. Like, what are you thinking of specifically?

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

So two. Let me just. Let me just get them out of the way really fast because we're only doing one episode a week, and people might want to throw this for their next shindig. So there's two dips that will be gone if you make them, and they're both three ingredients.

[Liz]

Okay.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Four ingredients. One's four ingredients. And I'm not counting the chips, but total chips included five ingredients.

[Colleen]

Okay.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Okay. The first one is Mama J's taco dip. Classic. This is our childhood. Our mom's best friend, we call our Mama Jay, and her dip is sour cream taco seasoning. Spread thinly on, like, you know, a pie dish. These are. You can make these both in a pie dish. Sour cream taco seasoning. Mix it up, spread it on a pie dish, top with shredded cheese, add diced cherry tomatoes. Serve with tostinos, or serve with, like, a tortilla chip. Unbelievable. Will be gone.

[Liz]

Mm.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Can. Elizabeth will not be gone.

[Liz]

Insane. Delicious. I think sometimes she's added, like, olives in the past. Like, you can always.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Unnecessary. But, like, I'm sorry. Get out of here. With, like, your seven layer dip with the refried beans. I'm sorry. Get out of here. I don't want that.

[Liz]

It's. It's unnecessary. I know.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

I want your browned guacamole. I don't want any of that. This is, like a good go to boat. Like, you put it in the fridge. You can make it the day before you put in the fridge. You pull it out. It's easy.

[Liz]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

And you will eat it.

[Liz]

You can make it on the boat. You can make. You can mix the. The top seasoning in the. In the sour cream container and then bring it on.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

You can just serve that if you have to. I mean, it's better in a pie dish with cheese, but if you don't have that head space, you don't have the headspace.

[Colleen]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

The next one does require to be baked, but it's so worth it. It's a Same pie dish. Well, different pie dish, which maybe you're bringing, too. Cream cheese on the bottom.

[Liz]

Okay.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Then you get canned chili.

[Liz]

Okay.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Oh, you've had. This is Susie's dip.

[Liz]

I don't think I've had this.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Cream cheese on the bottom. Canned chili. I prefer, like, a no bean canned chili.

[Liz]

Okay.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

I know. It's like, like, it's like, oh, I would never eat canned chili. You're fine. It's great in a dip, top it with cheddar cheese, pop it in the oven till the cheese is melty and

[Liz]

everything gets like, oh, okay, Now, I didn't know it was canned chili.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Yeah.

[Liz]

I never thought about how you make it.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

It's canned chili.

[Liz]

Okay.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Serve with Fritos. Unbelievable. So then you get melted cheese, chili, cream cheese, which I get. Like, I would never probably. I. I draw the line at eating a bowl of canned chili. I'll eat a bill. I'll eat a bowl of canned soup. I could never eat canned chili, but I can enjoy it in a soup or in a dip. I'm sorry.

[Kelly]

I would never.

[Liz]

I don't. I would never not eat canned chili.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Okay, well, I'll let you look at the can when you're pulling it out and then decide.

[Liz]

Okay, sure, Sure. I didn't know that's how you made that dip. That's a really good dip. I like that one heated up. I like the melted cheese.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

It's so.

[Liz]

I know I had a cream cheese base. I'm learning a lot right now.

[Colleen]

It is.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

I made both of them. Both gone, like, scraping the pan. People were.

[Liz]

Okay, fabulous.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

So they're two very easy dips.

[Colleen]

Fabulous.

[Liz]

I love that.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Yeah. And those are, like, you could both just, like, always have those on hand, and then when, like, people come over or like, if you feel like your dinner that you made is, like, a little light, you pull out a dip to. To just kind of, you know, fill in the gaps.

[Kelly]

Okay.

[Liz]

I love it.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Okay, well, that's all I got. I mean, that's a lot.

[Liz]

No, it's a lot. You're going out of town tomorrow.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Oh, my Gosh And I'm going to Florida tomorrow.

[Liz]

You're going to Florida tomorrow? There's so much to do today. A podcast. And you know what I'm doing tomorrow? What is. I'm packing up all my podcast record equipment. I'm taking it to BMW of West St. Louis, and I am interviewing dad.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Wow.

[Liz]

I don't know when that episode's gonna come out. I think it might just be like a hold for when we aren't able to get a podcast out and we'll, we'll post it. But this will be Big Craig's big debut on the podcast and I'm really excited about it.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

I'm excited too. And as although I'm sad to miss it, I do think he will be better with just a one on one.

[Liz]

Yeah, I agree.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

And I think you're the better person to do it because I think me and him would talk over each other.

[Liz]

I just, I think it's gonna be really good. And I, I have to approach it differently than we approach mom with the podcast because dad's not like going to be like a girly girl and like talk on the podcast. Like, we could just like have mom here. So it definitely he. His hand needs to be held a little bit more and it has to be a little bit more organized and formal and everything. So that's my approach with him.

[Colleen]

Love.

[Liz]

So yeah.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Okay, guys, well, let's get into our interview with Nemen baby.

[Kelly]

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[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Neman Bebe aka named Colleen welcome to the Carpool Podcast. Is this your first time? No, second time.

[Colleen]

Second time. We probably did it like a year ago. It was right after you guys had had your bibbies. Libby and Sloan.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

So I walk around with my head just a little higher than the rest of you because me and Colleen both have a son with the same name. So like, if a baby naming consultant chose my baby's name, like, it's kind of. I'm kind of that girl.

[Liz]

Which one?

[Kelly]

George.

[Colleen]

George on Fred. Yeah. Actually, what's funny is if I ever had another child, which is very unlikely, Frederick would be high on my list. And I'm like, I'd probably have to have a little like heart to heart with Kelly to make sure that's cool with her.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

It is. Out of all my children's names, his name gets the most compliments for sure. I feel like when you first have a baby, they're like, everyone's like, oh, I love the name. But when someone looks like and compliments their name. Like they hear me on the playground and they'll be like, it's his name, Fred. I'll be like, yeah, that's the cutest name I've ever heard. Thank you.

[Liz]

He wears it well.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

He does wear it well.

[Colleen]

It's so cute and you just don't hear it much.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Well. And you know what else I like about like old fashioned names? Because you have Rory, Jane and George and Liz. You have James and Sloan. So like, we kind of all have like, we're, we're all in the same. We all have the same elk.

[Colleen]

Kind of like a, we're on a Venn diagram and we each have our own little totally part.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

But what I like about like those older, more classic names is. Do you know, like the old people's days I just make when they're like, oh my God, her name's Harriet. That was my mother's name. And it's like this old woman or she. Or like, I mean, it's like I am single handedly putting smiles on old people's faces every single day when I go out with my children because of their names.

[Colleen]

It's so true. Like, the most compliments I get are from people like 65 and up.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Totally, totally.

[Colleen]

And I, I've almost, I think I've met one other little Jane, but other than that, the Janes I meet are like 80 and up. Or like I've met a dog named Jane, which is a whole nother field of names.

[Liz]

Which, which is such a common. Like, it's not a weird name. Like it's a regular old name. It's like, right, it's a beautiful name, but it's not like that's what I love. Those are the types of names that I love that sound like names and our names but aren't like

[Kelly]

done.

[Colleen]

So I feel like both me and Liz have like some like more classic names. And then like we, we dipped our toes in the modern waters. I have Rory, you have Sloan.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

I think you guys do too.

[Colleen]

These like Celtic names that have come over and become mainstream in America. Like Liam being the most like, popular example.

[Liz]

Totally. No, it's very funny. We. I talked about my baby names and someone was like, I think it's interesting that Liz said she likes traditional names. Like, Sloan isn't very traditional. And my husband commented on it and he's like, it's an ancient Irish name. Like, it is. It's just not like an American name.

[Colleen]

He's fighting the good fight.

[Liz]

He is, he is.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

I would have been like, yeah, it's so new. I. I agree with that person. I did not know how old of

[Kelly]

a name it was.

[Colleen]

Well, I remember when you guys were talking about it, like, when you were pregnant and you were giving clues and you were like, kelly didn't know how to spell it or something like that.

[Liz]

For a lot of names, not a very good clue.

[Colleen]

And so this time around, will we be incorporating the name Kelly? You know, what's. What's fair.

[Liz]

What's fairly fair is Kelly is a family name for Kelly is my sister's name, but Kelly's also our mom's maiden name, which is where her name comes from. So Kelly is not off the list for our contenders for a baby's middle name.

[Colleen]

Yeah.

[Liz]

Throughout any of right now, I think we're more considering, like, Christine or Elizabeth. Christine's our mom's name. Elizabeth is my name. Also our grandmother's name. There's, like, a lot of traditional.

[Colleen]

As a middle.

[Liz]

As a middle, potentially. But I wouldn't say no to Kelly. I wouldn't.

[Colleen]

Yeah.

[Liz]

I don't hate it.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Okay, Colleen, thanks for asking that question.

[Colleen]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Because I got you. I've been circling the drain on it because it's, like, just, like, wondering, like, if it's even. Yeah.

[Liz]

But like, we also, like, like, I. I think more for probably a boy, but I do like the thought of using Suntrap as a middle name.

[Colleen]

Yeah. Love that.

[Liz]

But that's probably more what I would want to do for a boy, so not so much less consult. So we're having. Anyway, we're having Colleen on the podcast again. I need what she calls name. Like, naming baby 911. Like, we don't have the name.

[Colleen]

The clock is ticking. Time's running out.

[Liz]

So Maddie and I cannot, like, he has names that if. If I weren't in the picture, like, the baby would be named. If Maddie was in the picture, the baby would be named. So we're trying to, like, bridge that.

[Colleen]

Yeah.

[Liz]

Gap.

[Colleen]

Classic.

[Liz]

So I'm very curious to just, like, do a naming consultation. This is. This is the instance that I think you're here for. Like, husband and wife can't figure it out. Like, let's. Let's bring in the experts.

[Colleen]

It's really named therapy at this point

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

where we're just kind of like, okay, Dr. Colleen, let's hear it.

[Colleen]

I mean, at the end of the day, Liz is having the baby. I do have a little bias towards, like, the mom gets the final say.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

And if you think about it, like, the dad picked the last name, so it's also like, calm down.

[Colleen]

Well, usually people will be like, well, I get the middle name because he got the last name. But I feel like names fall into this bucket of, like, style and aesthetic that generally we do take the lead on. Like, when you think about, like, your house decor and things like that.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

My husband has no style or aesthetic. So I hear. I see what you mean.

[Colleen]

So he can help.

[Liz]

But I will say whatever. If I was like, absolutely. I kind of did that with Sloan. I was like, sloan is the name I've always had for a girl. Like, that's gonna be the name. My husband is. Will always, you know, give me essentially whatever I want. But I do think it's important to consider his wishes.

[Colleen]

And you want them to be excited about it.

[Liz]

Oh, I want him to love it. Like, I want him to because he loves our kids names. Like, I want him to feel that same, like, joy and pride that I feel. So.

[Colleen]

And it does get harder the more kids you have. Like, for sure used your best stuff. And, like, I think sometimes the love has to grow a little bit as you, like, have more.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

I love that.

[Colleen]

But let's get started.

[Liz]

Okay, let's do it.

[Colleen]

So generally, I would have sent you a 15 question questionnaire to fill out about your name preferences before we started. But we're just going to gather a little information here because we probably don't have time for that. So the biggest things are, what are your kids names? We already know that we've got James and Sloan. What are your top contenders? And then in that list, I want to hear, like, what names you love that have gotten vetoed and what names Matt Maddie loves that have gotten vetoed.

[Liz]

Okay, so, like, names that I. If I could name the baby, it would be. The name would be Gwen.

[Colleen]

Oh, my God. I had it on my list for you.

[Liz]

I love Gwen.

[Colleen]

So cute.

[Liz]

Something. A name that Maddie really likes that is similar to Gwen is Quinn, but it's not the same to me. And so I couldn't really go with that. Okay, we, like, we've talked about Margot, we've talked about Maeve, We've talked about Cecilia.

[Colleen]

Okay.

[Liz]

I feel like we kind of.

[Kelly]

Oh, Maddie.

[Liz]

One name that Maddie liked was Aurelia, which is just too much. That's too much of a mouthful for me. Yeah, I get that he really loves, like, names, like, rooted in history. Okay, so we're not big on, you know, like, surnames. Okay. I love. I. I said, like, I like to name, like, Cameron. Like, I like Ryan. Like, I kind of, like, do like,

[Colleen]

the cool girl names.

[Liz]

The cool girl masculine names. But Maddie has a harder time giving a girl, like, a traditionally male name, so.

[Kelly]

Okay.

[Colleen]

Okay, Interesting. Because Sloane is, like, in that bucket. It's currently more of a girl's name.

[Liz]

Whereas Cameron, because it has, like, a history, because Maddie's family is from. Is Irish. So again, like, it ties to, like, those Celtic things. So it's like he. We've kind of realized, as we've talked about it, we like French names, French sounding names, and we like Irish sounding names.

[Colleen]

Okay.

[Liz]

I love, like, we love the name. What's that name that's, like, so impossible to spell? That's Irish. Like Saoirse. Saoirse. We both think that's beautiful.

[Colleen]

I know.

[Liz]

I couldn't believe I literally knew.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Hold on. I can't believe you literally knew what name she was talking about.

[Colleen]

Liz goes.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

What's that name that's impossible to stop? Shirsha. That's.

[Liz]

I think it's. I think it's beautiful.

[Colleen]

It's so cool.

[Liz]

I know, but, like, I can't do the spelling.

[Colleen]

S, A, O, I, R, S, E. Yeah.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Okay. Can we pause for just a second? Can I ask just a question? I do find it interesting, like, names that you like the sound of but hate the spelling of.

[Colleen]

Yep.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

A name that I really liked but could never get past was Imogene. I feel that because it's spelled I, M, O. Like what G, E, N, E. But I think Imogene sounds really pretty.

[Colleen]

No, you're so right.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Like, I just find that so interesting.

[Colleen]

It looks a little clunky. No, I hate how it looks, the letter combos. But it's such a cool name. I do.

[Liz]

Grayson, Our sister. Grayson was gonna be Phoebe. That was one of my mom's favorite names. My dad didn't like. He did not. He's kind of like Kelly. He's not a great speller. He, like, could not conceptualize the spelling of Fee because he's like, no, you can't do that.

[Colleen]

I do mix that up a lot. It's a tricky one. It's a great name, though.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Okay. I just wanted to, like. I just thought that was interesting since Liz had a name. She likes the sound. It doesn't like the spelling of. I think that's very.

[Liz]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

I mean, I agree. I. I could. I. I understand that you can't. And it's not even that I mind the spelling. I don't like how it looks.

[Colleen]

Yeah. I think we're in different. Like, you're talking about the visual aesthetic. Liz is talking more about, like, logistical complications. This girl would be spelling her name for people her entire life, which is a choice that you can make. People ask this all the time. Like, and some names, I think, are worth that inconvenience.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

I agree. Yes.

[Colleen]

But I think it's. It's next level. You know, there are certain names you're always gonna have to spell. Maybe Margot could even be an example. Is there a T at the end or is there not a T at the end? Is it the X? Or whatever? And then there are some names that you're gonna have to say and spell repeatedly.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

And there's some names. So there's some names where, like, you'll have to give the Starbucks barista a different name. Like, people ask me. I spell my name all the time.

[Colleen]

Okay.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

But it's like. Okay, but if I say Kelly, the barista's gonna guess. Yeah, if you say, I don't even know how to pronounce this Cherchi. She's giving up.

[Liz]

She's gonna say.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

She's gonna start saying Sarah at Starbucks.

[Colleen]

You actually can't use this name because her aunt wouldn't be able to say it.

[Liz]

It's a serious consideration, and that's why

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

I'm here, and that's why I know.

[Liz]

Okay, okay, I'm done.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

I'm shutting up.

[Kelly]

Keep going.

[Colleen]

Okay. This is, like, totally different than what I was expecting from both of you, but especially Matt. Like, I think I sort of saw him as, like, a Blake, Reese, Quinn, Piper kind of guy. But, no, he wants substance.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Oh.

[Liz]

Like he likes. He likes Catherine. Like he likes. He likes Madeline. Like he likes. Just very, like, normal, sort of traditional names. Unless, like, Aurelia, like a Roman something in the Roman Empire. There's Aurelius or something. Unless there's, like, something cool in that realm.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Where does Maddie fall On Kelly?

[Liz]

Yeah, he likes.

[Kelly]

He's with me.

[Liz]

He likes it.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

It's very Irish.

[Liz]

Yeah. Kelly.

[Kelly]

Okay.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Just curious. It was like you were the problem or if he was the problem on that name.

[Liz]

No, I would say genuinely, that's probably more me the problem.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Yeah.

[Colleen]

Okay. So I did a little stalking of your family as I was waiting here to find out, like, some family names. I was looking up the Suntrap Sundrop Automotive business and the founders. So who is Bill? Is he a relative?

[Liz]

Yes, he is our. Our grandpa's brother.

[Colleen]

Okay. Do we like him?

[Liz]

We love him.

[Colleen]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

He's actually still alive.

[Colleen]

Is he?

[Liz]

He's like.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

He's like, 92.

[Colleen]

Okay. I just love looking down the Family tree for inspiration. Like, I know this is a. This will probably be too much for Maddie. I do think Billy for a girl is so cute. But you could also do Willa. Like Willa for William. Willa, St. John, Sloan, James and Willa. It's cute.

[Liz]

Let me write this down.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Wait.

[Kelly]

I like Billy.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

I know Billy.

[Colleen]

I love Billy. I think the issue with Billie for a traditional namer is they're gonna want a full name for it.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Sure.

[Colleen]

And that. Yeah, that's like Wilhelmina. And that might be too big for too, too bold.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Wilhelmina. I like Wilhelmina.

[Colleen]

It's cute. Wilhelmina. Call her Billy.

[Liz]

I like Willa better than Billy.

[Colleen]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Okay.

[Colleen]

It's more girly. Yeah. Okay. And then you mentioned Catherine. Love Catherine. And your mom is Christine, but goes by Chris. And a nickname for those names would be Kit, which you've probably seen on lists. It's like sort of an up and comer. What are our feelings on Kit?

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Love.

[Liz]

I really like kit.

[Colleen]

Kit St. John. Like, you just have the best last name. So automatically any name sounds good with me, that's the problem. Last name, like, oh, Imogene St. John. Obsessed.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Obsessed. Kit.

[Liz]

Kit is kid is really cute. I. For a long time in our naming journey, I was kind of anti. Name them something, call them a nickname. Because St. John, while it is a great last name, it is a pain.

[Colleen]

Yeah.

[Liz]

Because you go to the hotel and they're like, we don't see you. And it's like, well, did you put a period? Did you put a space? Did you combine it? Did you spell it? S A I N T. Like, there's a lot of. You have to like, jump through hoops to just like get the St. John name. So I was like, yeah, I feel like I would feel bad if they also, like, was the name under Catherine? Is it under Kit? I don't know, but I think that's something that I'm more coming to terms with that, like, whatever. That's just their cross to bear. And also, at the end of the day, this is a girl who, like, most likely St. John won't be her last name for her.

[Colleen]

True.

[Liz]

Her entire life. So maybe it will get easier for her.

[Colleen]

Yeah.

[Liz]

But I love Kit. I like the shortness, I like the sharpness.

[Colleen]

I like James Sloan. And Kit is.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

It's very cute because right now, James and Sloane are both one syllable names.

[Colleen]

That's the other thing is, like, you have a opportunity here to start a theme. And I know you've talked about wanting potentially four kids. And so I Mean, I don't think if you have three one syllable names, you like have to go one syllable on the fourth. You can go two syllables. It'd be okay.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

But it'd be insane to do like James, Sloan, Kit, Wilhelmina. You can't do that.

[Colleen]

That would be crazy.

[Liz]

Okay, I like Kit.

[Colleen]

And then you also have like probably accidentally done it alliteration with both their names. Like James St. John. Sloan St. John.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

I didn't think about that.

[Colleen]

It's so good. But if you did another S name or another J name, then would you want to like complete the pattern with the fourth? I come from a cj CJ family.

[Liz]

So we have our boy name done.

[Colleen]

Okay.

[Liz]

So if I have a boy, it's not one syllable and it doesn't follow that. So. But we adore it. We love it. Like that one's done. If we had another girl, I would have to obviously come back to this. But I'm actually not like it doesn't bother me. But I do love Sloane St. John. I do love an S. Yeah. To follow St. John. I think it's just really pretty.

[Colleen]

Okay, and then what are your feelings on popularity? Like James? I think sometimes people have different parameters for boys and girls. Like people want. Tend to want boy names. And so you went top 10 for a boy and then you went a little like mainstream but less common for a girl.

[Liz]

I've also really had a full circle moment on coming turns with this because I thought, I think everyone wants to be more unique than we probably are. I think that when you like, it doesn't bother me that James is like the top five, like top ten name. But because it's a very normal name, it's a family name. I feel like where I would get like I use my sister in law as an example a lot because she named her son Brooks when no one was named Brooks.

[Kelly]

Okay.

[Liz]

Now there's four Brooks's on his soccer team.

[Kelly]

Okay.

[Liz]

So it's like when you, when you are doing a less common name but then everyone ends up having that same name. Like it doesn't bother me when it's when there's multiple James's because James is just a regular old name.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

I think you're doing something, you're doing

[Liz]

something different then you did it. That, that kind of came through a little bit.

[Colleen]

Hurts.

[Liz]

So I think like Catherine, if, if Catherine was in or it was in the top 10 names or whatever, I would feel less weird about that versus, you know, I, I don't.

[Colleen]

Scotty.

[Kelly]

Scotty.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Yeah.

[Liz]

And then it's like, everyone's name, Scotty. And it's like, oh, she thought she was doing something.

[Colleen]

She thought she was different.

[Liz]

And that's like.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

That is.

[Liz]

There's really. There's nothing wrong with it. That's just, like, my internal dialogue. But I am kind of getting over it, like, the popularity thing. And I. I've maybe learned from you or from, like, another naming Instagram, but, like, you also have to, like, look in your state because. Just because It's a top 10 name. Yeah. In the country.

[Colleen]

Yeah.

[Liz]

Like, I looked at the top 10 names in Missouri, and they're all over the place. Like, really so different. And that's where they're going to run into kids with the same. With the same name as them when. When it matters, which is grade school. I feel like.

[Colleen]

Yeah. Even the state doesn't, like, tell the whole story of, like, your specific neighborhood. Like, yeah, if you sent your kids to a Catholic school, you're gonna get one cohort of names. And, like, in Rory's kindergarten, there was, like, one repeated name through the grade, and it was Cole. There were three Coles. Yeah, it's like, Like, Cole. Like, that's not even a common name. Like, it's. It is a crapshoot. So it's, like, silly to get too caught up in it. What I usually tell people is, like, does the name feel, like, special enough to you? Then you should use it.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

I like. I agree. I like that better than. Yeah. Than, like, someone else in their class. Like, they'll.

[Kelly]

Yeah, it's fine.

[Colleen]

Yeah, it's fine.

[Kelly]

You know what I mean?

[Colleen]

If you're hearing it a lot, then maybe it becomes tainted for you. But in your world, you're not hearing Charlotte, then, like, it might still feel like a really special name to you.

[Liz]

Yeah, that's so true.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

That is so true.

[Colleen]

I love that.

[Kelly]

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[Colleen]

How do you feel about Amelia?

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

So cute.

[Colleen]

It's so cute.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Amelia St. John no, it is like so cute.

[Liz]

It's just like if I'm gonna bring up Amelia to my husband. I feel like I might as well just. No, I might as well shoot.

[Colleen]

Yeah, it's like, oh, but Amelia's so much more straightforward.

[Liz]

Yeah, it's the. Or that kind of kills me on Aurora. Yeah, I. Amelia doesn't do much for me.

[Colleen]

Okay, what about Lila? Is that too.

[Liz]

Lila's pretty.

[Colleen]

It's pretty. Like, it's got that short, sweet, feminine aesthetic.

[Liz]

James Sloan and Lila, Delilah St. John

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

and I always like to calling. Not that I'm trying to do your job for you, but when I was. When I was naming Libby, I also really said, like, I didn't always say all four of them together, but I liked saying Fred and Libby a lot because, like, I was always saying Georgian, Hattie, George and how to.

[Kelly]

George and Hattie.

[Colleen]

Yes.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

And now I. When I was trying to name Libby, I was like. Because I wanted to name Libby Betty. We were always, we're going to call her Betty. But I was like, fred and Betty. Like, that sounds horrible

[Liz]

together.

[Colleen]

It's so true.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

That's so Flintstones. Like, I can't do that.

[Colleen]

Oh, my God.

[Liz]

What if they start a podcast together and they say, welcome back to the podcast with. With Fred and Betty. Like, you never know.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

But I. So I like also Elizabeth saying, like, I think you'll say, like, Sloan and the baby's name all the time together.

[Colleen]

Yes. So you don't want it to be a tongue twister.

[Liz]

Yeah, that's true.

[Colleen]

Sloan and Cecilia. Sloan and Cecilia. Like, that could be a little tongue twisty.

[Liz]

Yeah. Actually, I want to talk, like, Sloan

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

and Lila sound so cute together.

[Liz]

I want to talk to you about Cecilia because it's Cecilia St. John. Too many susses.

[Colleen]

Cecilia St. John.

[Kelly]

Okay.

[Colleen]

Some people, I think that's 50. 50 for me. It wouldn't stop me from using the name Cecilia St. John. Like, Cecilia in its like, itself is a lot of.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

But what if they go. What if they short it to Cece? Then it's kind of a lot.

[Colleen]

CC St. John. I actually still think it's cute. I'm like a big alliteration person, though, so it's hard to get me, like, riled up about those things. Okay, so, okay, now that I know that you guys are like, you like the classics, I feel like a bridge here of, like, your styles is a Kelly style name. Liz Filter. So, like, vintage, but, like, short and sleek. So June or Rose. Would you do either of those chills on June?

[Liz]

Yeah. So June. June actually has been on. Has been on one of, like, on our, like, short list. I Do, like June. I'm trying to think about why we stopped talking about June.

[Colleen]

Was it an issue with the J's?

[Liz]

Like, I don't know if it kind of felt like a combination between James and Sloan a little bit.

[Colleen]

You know, I thought that with George, that it was a combination of Jane and Rory.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Sure.

[Colleen]

And then I was like, okay, that's crazy. Like, it's.

[Liz]

Yeah, no, because a combination of name that Maddie does like is Joan. I'm like, well, that is literally Jason Sloane, so we can't do Joan.

[Colleen]

Sloan and Joan could totally have a podcast one day, though.

[Kelly]

Sloan.

[Liz]

And actually, that's how we came to Joan, because he really liked Joan. And I was like, okay, well, that doesn't work. So maybe June. I like June. June St. John is very cute.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

June's on the list.

[Liz]

June's on. Let me write that one down too. Yeah, that. I'm. I'm bringing that one back up.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

And also listen to. You're considering, like, Christine as. Or Elizabeth as a middle name. I think it. Again, I like a short name because, again, we can't do Christine St. John. Like, I'll die. I can't even. That's way too many letters. But, like, June. Christine is cute. June Elizabeth. Yeah, it's cute.

[Liz]

Okay.

[Colleen]

Yeah, that's really cute.

[Liz]

I like June.

[Colleen]

What about Rose? Is that too, like, too plain? Like Rosie St. John? Rosie. So cute.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

She's right.

[Colleen]

And then Rose, like, when I hear Rose on, like, a third grader at the playground, I just think it's so cool. It's so cool. It's so chic.

[Liz]

It is chic. You're right.

[Colleen]

I love it.

[Liz]

I haven't considered it, but I don't dislike it.

[Colleen]

Sleep on it.

[Liz]

Sleep on it.

[Colleen]

Okay. You mentioned Maeve. That was my. In my top two for Jamie. Maeve. Would you shorten that and just go May, which is actually a lot less common.

[Liz]

Is it.

[Colleen]

Oh, my God. Yeah.

[Liz]

M A E or M A Y.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

M A E. Yeah, that's darling.

[Colleen]

It's very uncommon.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

May St. John.

[Colleen]

Am I pushing too much vintage on you? Is it, like, too. Too simple, too plain?

[Liz]

Yeah, I think that might be a little bit too, like, simple for me. Like, I like that Maeve has, like, the punch to it that, like, Sloan has.

[Colleen]

It does.

[Liz]

And May doesn't. It feels unfinished to me.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Okay.

[Liz]

It's.

[Colleen]

It's. It's very, like, middle name.

[Liz]

Yeah, But.

[Colleen]

But I kind of like that.

[Liz]

I love it. Yeah.

[Colleen]

Okay. What about Lucy?

[Liz]

No, don't do anything for me.

[Colleen]

No. Okay.

[Liz]

No, I'M I'm really loving what you said. I'm really liking Kit in June. Probably, like, revisiting those the most. Yeah.

[Colleen]

Okay. Molly.

[Liz]

No.

[Colleen]

2. Yeah. Okay. It's like Irish. It's cute. Annie.

[Liz]

No.

[Colleen]

No. Okay. No, we're going in a. We're going in the run.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Yeah. You're going further. Okay.

[Colleen]

Would you consider Sunny as the first name

[Liz]

for something I have. I have brought up? We've talked about Sunny. Yeah, I think we. Because I think sunny St. John is darling.

[Kelly]

It is.

[Liz]

I think we do like the thought of Sunny better for a boy, actually, as, like, a nickname for a boy than for a girl.

[Colleen]

Okay.

[Liz]

Because Sunny's kind of cool. Because Sunny can actually go either way.

[Colleen]

It can. And there's, like, a designated spelling for each gender, which.

[Liz]

Oh, is it boy and O?

[Colleen]

Yeah.

[Liz]

Okay.

[Colleen]

Well, I mean, you can do either, but I think if you look at the numbers, like, the O is typically boy spelling, and U is girl.

[Liz]

I love Sunny. I think it's super cute.

[Colleen]

But more boy.

[Liz]

But probably. Probably more boy nickname.

[Colleen]

Okay. Another one syllable classic. How do we feel about Grace Gracie St. John?

[Liz]

It doesn't. It's too.

[Colleen]

It just doesn't, like, too plain.

[Liz]

Okay.

[Kelly]

Yeah.

[Colleen]

Okay. And then going a little. Oh, go ahead.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

No, that's. I. I just. I feel like it is hard to find, like, Because I know Liz likes those more masculine names, like Cameron. I think at one point you even like Spencer. Elizabeth.

[Liz]

Like, I don't like Spencer.

[Kelly]

Okay.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

But, like, you like Cameron. Right? Like, so she likes the masculine names. Maddie doesn't like names that sound boyish.

[Colleen]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

So, like, we need a mask. A masculine name that's still super girly.

[Colleen]

Marin.

[Liz]

It's kind of like Marin.

[Kelly]

Okay.

[Colleen]

Masculine, but, like, obviously a girl's name. Marin St. John. Yeah. I think that's where people love Margot because it's got this, like, it's not girly, it's not cutesy. Yeah. It's kind of crisp and clean, but it's like, obviously a girl name.

[Liz]

Maddie loves Margot.

[Colleen]

There's a Margot epidemic.

[Liz]

Yeah, that's my concern about it.

[Colleen]

But I, I. It's really cute. I know.

[Liz]

I know. Two baby Margos.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

What are your Margot alternatives? I know you have a list.

[Colleen]

I do. I actually was gonna publish a list today of Margot alternatives. I do it quarterly because it really is an epidemic. Well, one of my personal favorite names, which goes against my more like classic vintage instincts, is Marlo. But it's not for everyone. Like, it's. It's more of a surname, style, I just think it's, like, the coolest name in the world. Marlo. It's. It's pretty. It is unisex, but it sounds feminine because it's got, like, the softer letters. I think Loe is, like, the cutest little nickname. I love nicknames. But I think Margot, for alternatives, you want sort of like a lot of French names. Feel like good alternatives, like Sylvie. I love Sylvie. I like Daphne, I think is a good alternative.

[Liz]

Daphne. Maddie. Maddie. Vetoed. Daphne. But I love Daphne. Yeah.

[Colleen]

Okay. I think a lot of people who like Margot, like Eloise, Vivian, Clara, these sort of, like, classic with, like, a little twist. What about just Claire or Clara?

[Liz]

So Claire was also. Was on our list early, and I just. We just kind of stopped talking about it. But I do like Claire.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Yeah, maybe you start talking about it again.

[Liz]

Yeah, no, this is bringing up, like, some. A lot of the names that, like, we. We had talked about Kit, we talked about June, we talked about Claire, and then they just. We just kind of stopped talking about them. I don't know why. For no.

[Kelly]

Re.

[Liz]

For no reason. So I do feel like maybe I need to. We need to, like, revisit some of these again now that we've kind of gone through.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Yeah.

[Colleen]

Yeah, A lot. Some of the really classic names, it's like either you love it or you don't because it's a name you've heard a lot and you either have a connection to it, like, or it just doesn't do it for you. You've known so many, and it's just, like, you don't get excited about it. Do you think it's possible to get Matt on board with any more, like, unisex names, like the Logan's and the Andes of the world?

[Kelly]

No.

[Colleen]

No, I don't.

[Liz]

I don't. Yeah, that's okay. Especially, I mean, if I felt super, like, passionate about one. Yes. But I just like. If I was like, Cameron's kind of cute, and he was like, yeah, I kind of like Cameron, I. Then we could, like, talk about it, and then we could both fall in love with it. But it's not like I don't have that. That intense love for the name like I have had for Sloan. So I'm not passionate enough to, like, push it.

[Colleen]

Okay, what about a compromise where it's like a classic name with a more like, kind of cool nickname or vice versa. So, like, Eleanor, Caller, Lenny, something like that?

[Liz]

Yeah, I think he would. I. I think he would be on board for something.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Like, he's on board for yeah, he would consider a nickname name.

[Liz]

Okay. Yeah.

[Colleen]

Okay.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Well,

[Liz]

I think you've given her a

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

lot to think about.

[Liz]

Yeah, we have lots. We have lots to talk about, so this was so helpful. Thank you.

[Colleen]

I'm glad.

[Liz]

It's just nice to talk it through with some. With someone and to hear someone else say the names out loud other than me and my husband.

[Colleen]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

So I'm always willing to do that, Elizabeth.

[Liz]

I know, but I just, like, wanted a professional.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

So.

[Liz]

Colleen, if someone wanted to switch to the cars. Kelly, if someone wanted to book a consultation with you. What? How could they do that?

[Colleen]

Go to my website. You can click book a consultation, fill out a form, and we'll get going.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

The fact that you asked them 15 questions prior, and when I do car consultations, I ask four.

[Colleen]

Yeah, I could maybe. I could maybe, you know, trim it down a little. Because the thing is, most.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

But names are so personal. Honestly, more personal than cars.

[Colleen]

No, that's true.

[Liz]

True.

[Colleen]

There's so much to consider. And most people answer it, you know, in a efficient fashion, respectful fashion. And then every once in a while, I get someone who sends me a multi tab Excel spreadsheet.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Sure. Wow.

[Colleen]

But then I'm like, I asked for it.

[Liz]

Party name. Sienna St. John. Problem is, Sienna is one of the four minivans out there.

[Colleen]

Oh, my God, it would be so on the nose.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

And it's not our favorite either, is the problem.

[Colleen]

That's even worse.

[Liz]

Not the best minivan.

[Colleen]

See that one? It surprises me that Matt goes for that. Is it because it's like a place in Italy, so it feels like historically rooted? Because Sienna to me feels more modern place. Namey.

[Liz]

It's not his favorite, but it's one that I like. And so therefore he's tolerating it. Okay, but it's not his favorite. But he has an outright vetoed it.

[Colleen]

Okay, wait, what about Stella?

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Stella?

[Liz]

I don't know.

[Colleen]

I think I'm, like, getting too caught up in the S's. They're so like Stella St. John.

[Liz]

It's.

[Kelly]

It's so good.

[Colleen]

It just goes so well. Oh, what about Camille for like, French names?

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Love.

[Liz]

Oh, you know what? I love Camille. I brought that up to him. He vetoed it. I don't remember why.

[Colleen]

Like, that would be a good compromise. Like instead of Cameron. More boyish. Camille.

[Liz]

But I know.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Maybe you should bring Camille up again. Elizabeth.

[Liz]

I like Camille.

[Colleen]

It's really pretty. Yeah.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Okay.

[Colleen]

And then. Okay, one more Irish name.

[Kelly]

Okay.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

She's.

[Liz]

Okay, let's go.

[Colleen]

Fiona.

[Liz]

Maddie likes Fiona, but I don't know if I can get past the ogre. Oh my God.

[Colleen]

Really?

[Liz]

Liz? Come on, Maddie. So like 2005, Maddie has brought Fiona up multiple times.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

They've stopped Fiona sound. Sloan and Fiona sound so good together.

[Colleen]

Sloan and Fiona.

[Liz]

No, you need to. I need to do some inward reflection.

[Colleen]

You do. There's also a girl at my son's school and they call her fio. But even Fia I think is like such a cute. She'd be Fiona. I just, I like to think. I like to think through the nicknames.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Also Fiona's a good character in Shrek.

[Liz]

She's still an ogre. And it's just like when you're. When you're probably gonna have a six foot tall daughter, it's like, do you name her after the most famous ogre out there? Like things you have to consider.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

No.

[Colleen]

When you're named, naming a potential tall girl, you do have to think about it.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

I've lost sleep thinking about Libby and if she's going to be too tall to be a Libby. But. But Libby, you know what now. But when she's 6ft tall, I don't know.

[Colleen]

I think that's where like I might like Betty would be harder. I think Libby feels like very wearable.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Betty would have been harder.

[Colleen]

It would have been harder.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

You got to be a little.

[Liz]

She would have quite literally outgrown it.

[Colleen]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Okay. Colleen, after a long, long day of naming Bebes, you still got cook for your three little kiddos. What are you making?

[Colleen]

Okay, a lot of times it's a throw together meal. We, we do tacos a lot. But I want a meal that I can easily level down for my picky eaters because only one of my kids is going to eat what I make most of the time. So half bake harvest has this like white pesto lasagna. It's really good. Look it up. And then you can very easily just. Just boil an extra pot of noodles and put just pesto on it for the picky eaters. And then the grown ups get to eat something delicious. It's got pepperonis on it. It's like. Yeah, it's a white sheet can lasagna.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

It's really good.

[Liz]

Had me at half baked harvest.

[Kelly]

Okay.

[Liz]

Who look it up.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Yum, yum, yum. Okay. Okay.

[Liz]

Well, Colleen, thank you so much for doing this naming911.

[Colleen]

It was great chatting. I want to be the first to know what this baby's name is.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Well, Colleen, as do I.

[Kelly]

To be fair.

[Colleen]

I will be looking forward to the DM and I can actually just relay the news to Kelly if you need me to.

[Liz]

Perfect. Yeah, I'll just include you guys both on a group text, like, perfect.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

All right, Kelly, thank you so much.

[Liz]

Thank you.

[Unnamed Beta St. John]

Bye, guys.

[Colleen]

Thank you for listening to the carpool podcast with Kelly and Liz. Make sure you're subscribed so you never miss an episode. And if you enjoyed riding with us, just tell everybody you know there's room

[Liz]

in the car for everyone.