A (2:24)

And this is what they call a soft launch.

B (2:26)

Okay. This should be. This should be industry news.

A (2:31)

Well, it's just, like, so Exciting. And I have no idea when it's.

B (2:37)

Going to be done.

A (2:37)

Probably not for months and months and months because, like, there's so much, like, development. That's right. We have developers. That's right.

B (2:44)

We have a team.

A (2:45)

We're women in tech.

B (2:48)

So one of the things with our website renovation that we finally decided we were going to do is rate the cars, give a car mom rating a family friendliness rating on the cars, which is something that we've thought about doing since the car mom started. And people have told us, everyone's like, yo, you should read the cars. You should read the cars. It's like, it's not that simple. And that's a very big deal. Like, we're. Kelly's not just throwing ratings. We're. First of all, we're all doing it. It's me, Kelly, and Sam essentially kind of collaborating on this rating. Mostly Kelly, but Sam's for the car seat, and I'm there for the vibes, you know, and we are stamping each car with a car mom rating.

A (3:39)

Yes.

B (3:40)

And it's a big deal.

A (3:42)

It's such a big deal. Like, this is five plus years in the making. And like, I. For the consumer experience, I wanted to, like, I. I don't want it to feel like that big of a deal, because it's not. But I just want you guys to know, like, how much thought and energy I've put into this over the last five years. And, like, I've started and stopped this project multiple times because I just didn't feel comfortable rating a car because. And the reason I didn't like it was I felt like, how could I possibly give a car a rating when families come in so many shapes and sizes?

B (4:15)

Yeah.

A (4:15)

So, like, for example, you look at a car like the Kia Telluride. Okay, well, we know the Kia Telluride bench seat is atrocious and can't fit three across. But, like, should that put it. Should that car get a lower score? Because what about the families who aren't looking to do three across? What about the smaller families of one to two children? So, like, that felt wrong. And then you had things like, you know, like, performance. And then performance was interesting because we tried to look outside of just the scope of, like, it's horsepower. But when we talked about performance, we thought about, like, how quiet the car was, if. How fuel efficient the car was, what the towing capacity was, if they offered multiple powertrains. Because I felt like that was important in, like, a car's performance. And then we talked about comfort. A lot and like the second and the third row comfort and what that meant and how cars compared when you started comparing the hip room and the leg room and then what amenities were back there. So like I'm giving you the context to say like it's not, I feel like when, when the, when the ratings come out I think people are going to be a little surprised or maybe how high some cars have rated because I think in the past some of my content has been pointing out the flaws in some of those cars. But again it's they're flaws for some families but not for others. And I want this to be more of like a score for everyone.

B (5:38)

Were also judging not, not necessarily against but like within their class. So like we're not trying to compare the car seat setup of the Kia Telluride to the Ford Expedition work. We're like okay, well the Ford Expedition is great and then this other full size SUV isn't as good. So like we're comparing them within their own class. But you're right, it's not that big of a deal to the consumer because like whatever it's at the end of the day it's just Kelly's opinion. But it is a big deal for us because it's something that we've talked about for so and just have never thought it was right or felt comfortable enough to do and we're finally feeling comfortable enough to do it. Something that I do think is more important to the consumer is another thing we're going to have on our website is so we're going to have the car mom store score and we're also going to ask people to rate their own car and rate cars they've test driven and rate cars that they used to own and rate their husband's car so we can get an audience rating and a real mom rating. Cuz Kelly's just one mom. Yeah, we want to know what all of the moms are thinking of these cars and that's what we're really excited about.

A (6:46)

That is that was, and that's what's kind of delayed the whole process because when we decided that we wanted to amplify other voices and show other reviews of these cars, we had to go back to development and basically, basically add a logged in experience so that people could, could, could review the cars. And this is where I'm going to convict all of you. Like this was where it has to be a group project successful. But I, I feel like it's so important to hear from every mom who has a car or has test driven a car or has been in a car. And when you leave your rating, like you'll also leave your experience with it. So you'll know when you're reading the review if they just test drove it or if they own it. Because we thought that was an interesting piece of data to collect. Because if you test drove it, why didn't you buy it? You know what I mean? So the ratings are going to be insane. We're kind of modeling that after, like, we kind of are just spilling it all, aren't we? Should I start out?

B (7:45)

But I, I'm so, I'm so excited. No, because then I think that they'll, when we do launch it, they'll have like some context of things that we're doing. But another cool thing about the reviews is we are kind of modeling it after like a Rent the Runway review or something like that where you can, you can toggle filters. So it's like I always toggle who is 5, 11 and above who wore this? Because that's the review I care about. So we were like, how can we do that on our reviews? So it's going to be like moms of 1, 2, 3. You could say how many kids you have. And so if you're a mom of three kids, then you can only look at the reviews of three or more.

C (8:21)

Just three.

B (8:22)

And so you're like, I don't care if you have one or two kids. That doesn't apply to me. So we're really excited about that.

A (8:28)

Yeah, that's like going to be really razzle dazzle. So that's where it's, we're doing a lot of work right now. But then you guys all have to promise me that you're going to go do a lot of work and just review the cars in your life so that we can help moms make a more informed decision. Because. And another big reason I wanted to do the, the community reviews was because I'm. We're not taking reliability data into our score for a lot of reasons. And people always give me crap about this and I always say like, okay, well then like, tell me how you'd like me to do it. There's no way to do it and no one else does this. Reliability data is too hard to predict when you're trying to score these new cars. I mean, I, I don't think it's fair to go off of what the last car happened. I don'. The idea of then like retroing, going back and updating it because it also reliability is car to car. So, like, there's not an objective way to, like, all of the ratings we have is. It's like, it's this car in its best case scenario. Reliability data is not something that we can. And what am I going to pull from? I just can't rip off Consumer Reports. I mean, I can report what the Consumer Reports says about the car or you can become a member and look it up. So also say is the other reason we're doing the community reviews is when you log in and make an account and you add your car, we will start asking you reliability questions. So then we'll be able to populate that data on. Okay, they've had this car for five years. They've reported no major issues. And like, then that's like a real world example versus me just trying to, like, make something up or, like, regurgitate what somebody else said, which is not what I like to do. Yeah.

B (10:04)

So, yeah.

A (10:05)

So anyway, so, yeah. So we're so behind the scenes. We have literally been becoming a tech company, and it's been crazy and it's been so. It's really stretched us and there's still so much work to do. And it's not. This is my problem, not yours. But it's been such a big monetary investment. We've never invested money like this into the car, Mom. So it's the first time where I really feel like it's a bet on yourself kind of situation.

B (10:34)

Yeah.

A (10:35)

But it's going to be really awesome. And ultimately it's going to be helpful. And I'm in the business of being part of the solution.

B (10:42)

Preach, girl.

A (10:43)

Preach. That was.

B (10:45)

Oh, my gosh.

A (10:45)

I feel so good to get that off my chest.

B (10:47)

Alyssa. No, I'm. I'm actually, like, I'm so excited now. Like, I just. I'm happy everyone knows about it now.

A (10:54)

So another thing is, if you want to support our. Our. Our website endeavors, a great way to do that is to go to the carmom.com go to our merch. Go to our Shopify site because we are still having a warehouse cleanup because we're getting out of the merch business and we're getting into the tech business. Okay. And here's what I have to offer you. Christmas light magnets on the cars. They're 50% off. They're like $7 for a pack of 14. Again, not. Not your problem. It's mine. Definitely losing money on these. That's okay. Happy to do it. One, to spread Christmas cheer and two to clear out the warehouse.

B (11:29)

Yeah. We got to get rid of. We got to get where? Get rid of the warehouse guys. We're paying a warehouse fee.

A (11:36)

And I did. And I'm not saying we'll never go back to a warehouse, but for right now, it's all coming up women in tech.

B (11:43)

Yeah. And that's also not to say we're not ever gonna do merch anymore. Just. We're gonna bring it in house. More of that type of situation. Yeah.

A (11:49)

We don't know what it's gonna look like. But for who knows? Who knows? Now you're sharing. Now you're airing stuff. But we have go get Christmas light magnets because it's of the season and it's a great way to support your favorite tech startup.

B (12:05)

We call ourselves a tech startup. Yeah, feels like it.

A (12:11)

Anyway, that's. That's what's new with us. Wow. I feel a million pounds lighter.

B (12:16)

Yeah. So it's been. It's fun. So that's what we're doing today. We're doing workshop things. But before we go into our workshop things, we have a podcast to record and we've got. We're going to talk about Thanksgiving because guess what? Thanksgiving's next week.

A (12:30)

Huh? I'm ready, girl. I'm excited.

B (12:33)

Well, I'm not actually ready, but I'm ready, and I'm not ready in the slightest. We've got Dancing with the Stars recap. Face crack on that one. Oh, my gosh. I have a lot of thoughts. We've got some huge.

A (12:46)

We have huge industry news because Motor Trend, who's like, I guess, kind of like a competitor of ours now. Like, it's crazy. Yeah, no, that.

B (12:52)

We're like a publication now that we're publishing.

A (12:56)

Anyway, they announced their SUV of the year. Do you know what it is?

B (12:59)

I don't.

A (13:01)

Okay, good. I. It's. I'm a. It's a good choice. I'm excited to get into it. I had a. I have a lot of thoughts on. On that choice.

B (13:09)

Okay.

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B (15:54)

Let's just get right into it then. Let's start With Thanksgiving.

A (16:03)

Yeah.

B (16:05)

Because Thanksgiving is right around the corner, and I cannot believe it. And I just kind of want to talk about, like, what we're excited about, what we did well last year, what we're hoping, what our hopes, dreams, and aspirations are for this year.

A (16:18)

Well, my biggest kind of, like, update is I can't make my autumn Caesar.

B (16:25)

Yeah. So in case you missed it, and I don't know how you could have possibly missed it, Kelly developed an allergy to anchovies. And every year for Thanksgiving, she makes a fabulous autumn Caesar salad. And obviously with homemade Caesar, like, I.

A (16:44)

Mean, look at me. I was. I was down and dirty with the anchovy paste, and now that would take me out, and it's just such a humbling experience.

B (16:51)

You never know.

A (16:53)

So now here's what I'm considering. Primal Kitchens. Caesar is vegan, so it's anchovy free. Yeah. So I'm just like, do I keep all the other elements? Because it's a kale Caesar with delicata squash croutons like it is. I'm telling you, it's chef's kiss. I. And I do it upright. You know, I do it upright. I'm massaging the kale. I'm roasting the delicata. I'm salting this. I'm salting the kale. I'm freshly grating the parmesan. Like, it's. It's perfect. So I'm just like, do I keep it and just do the primal kitchen now?

B (17:28)

How is the primal kitchen, Caesar? Because I haven't had it.

A (17:31)

I think it's actually really good.

C (17:33)

Oh, okay.

A (17:34)

But it's not.

B (17:34)

That's fine.

A (17:35)

I think it's really good. I think it's really good. It's just not. And maybe I could just get that and judge it a bit. It's very thin.

B (17:44)

I was gonna. Yeah, it's very thin.

A (17:46)

I prefer my Caesar to be a little thicker.

B (17:48)

Yeah.

A (17:49)

You know?

B (17:49)

Yeah.

A (17:50)

But maybe I will just do that. Maybe I'll just put it in my food processor, add some more Dijon, lemon, garlic, everything. But someone told me to use coconut aminos in replace of anchovies, so I could maybe add some coconut aminos to it, and maybe I'll try that.

B (18:05)

I think that's. I think that's worth your time trying.

A (18:08)

Well, I. I don't have time to try, so it's kind of like, am I gonna. Is that what we're doing or what am I doing?

B (18:15)

Well, I think that you can try. I think maybe buy two packs of the Caesar, I can't imagine you would screw it up, but, like, let's say it doesn't turn out well. Then we'll just use the regular Caesar dressing. The regular primal kitchen. Like, buy two of them.

A (18:28)

Oh, I see. Okay. Okay. Okay.

B (18:30)

How about that?

A (18:31)

Okay, so then that takes a little pressure off me because, you know, the other. I'm sorry. The other autumn salads, they're not my favorite. Like, I'm not really into. Well, I can't do anything spinach based. I find that to be disgusting. And then everything else tends to go a little summery. I mean, there's definitely, like, an apple walnut honey mustard vinaigrette variation. I could do goat cheese, but the Caesar just felt fun because it was, like, such. It was, like, a safe food for, like, the kids and, like, the picky eaters. But, like, then it was sassy with delicata squash.

B (19:03)

I think we should try. And I don't think we should let the anchovies win on this one.

A (19:08)

Right?

B (19:12)

Don't let them take your autumn Caesar.

A (19:14)

What have you been assigned?

B (19:16)

So mom gave me some options. She told me to pick. I still haven't picked. She said I could do green beans. I could do an appetizer. I am bringing, like, a dessert, so I just need to decide if I want to do, like, green beans or an appetizer.

A (19:32)

Well, you could do the appetizers, and then you could do Charlotte mom's Jane step.

B (19:37)

Oh, that's a good idea.

A (19:39)

That's kind of Charlotte Ma. Charlotte's mom. Jane.

B (19:45)

Jane's Jane. Jane, Jane, Stephen.

A (19:49)

Which I'm actually planning on bringing that to. We have Tyler's mom side Thanksgiving this coming Sunday. And one thing about Barb Stompy is, like, she's just gonna do what she wants to do. And she said because Tyler's mom's side and dad's side still get together. So, like, that's. I mean, that's three Thanksgiving meals for us. So Barb's like, I'm gonna do jambalaya and pork steaks. And I'm like, go, like, that sounds so good. Yeah, so good. So she just said to bring an appetizer, so I'm gonna bring that. Which doesn't really go, because I don't know how else to go with the meal. So I'm just gonna bring that dip.

B (20:26)

Okay, that's a good idea. Maybe I'll bring that dip in, like, a veggie tray.

A (20:29)

And here's what that dip is in case you need a refresher. Get your pen Out. So it's bores and cheese. I did the green one. I'm sure the purple one would work too. Bores and cheese. You know what that is, right? Mm. And then you spread it on, like, a little pie dish. Then you add fig jam. Delicious. Then you add shelled pistachios. You top it with hot honey. Serve it with a great cracker.

B (20:52)

Yeah.

A (20:53)

A rosemary cranberry, like, cracker croquette from Trader Joe's. If not Wheat Thins will suffice. I've done. I've done both.

B (21:03)

Yeah. Okay. That's a good idea.

C (21:05)

You're right.

A (21:06)

Yeah.

C (21:07)

You're right.

A (21:10)

Okay. So other things. So. So that's kind of like the meal. I mean, mom does most of the meal and we're very much, if it's not fixed, don't break it kind of person. I mean, she. Dad smokes a turkey. It's amazing. We have. I mean, it's my favorite stuffing in the world. Mom does this, like, cram or this cornbread sausage stuffing. It's unbelievable. Green beans are great. She gets. She just. She just caters her mashed potatoes and sweet potatoes from Whole Foods. Probably too late for you this year, but, like, something out for next year. And she had the sheet, and I was looking at the pricing. I'm like, yeah, this is penciling.

B (21:47)

Yeah.

A (21:48)

If you don't want to make it yourself.

B (21:52)

To all my picky, picky eater moms out there, as I am one of them, I have a couple of reminders for you this holiday season. When it comes to holiday meals, Thanksgiving is usually pretty safe. Like, there's usually a Mac and cheese option for kids, but this is your reminder that if you don't think your kids are going to eat anything, to just feed them before. Because, like, you would rather have a good Thanksgiving dinner yourself than, like, be fighting a picky eater. So just feed them the chicken nuggets before.

C (22:20)

Who cares?

B (22:21)

It's survival mode. And it's. It's a holiday. It's a holiday. The other thing is if you're worried about your kid not getting enough, like, you know, nutrients. Smoothie, fruit smoothie. I have been throwing in their fruit smoothies. Like, if I have a. Like a extra vegetables that are going to go bad, let's say like, a carrot. I'll chop the carrot up and freeze it. And then I throw carrots in my smoothies because it just blends like a strawberry, a frozen strawberry, chia seeds, spinach pack. A nutrient dense smoothie. Give them to that. Give that to them in the morning. So at least, at the very least, they're getting something healthy in their body and they don't know it.

A (23:00)

I also find when it ha. When it's like holidays like this or any like, special events, it's not when I'm going to choose to say eat this or no dessert.

B (23:12)

I'm here there for the say that as well. I was going to say, okay, I'm.

A (23:15)

Going to make them a plate. If they don't eat it, they're still getting dessert.

B (23:18)

I.

A (23:19)

It's I don't care. And it's I don't care. I will pick that battle every Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. I'm a. I will be a weekday warrior about that battle. I'm not picking at Thanksgiving. I don't give a rip. I'm not even gonna like, okay, are you done eating? Okay, Yep. Go have a cookie.

B (23:39)

Have two.

A (23:39)

Like it's a freaking holiday. Like, everyone needs to relax a holiday.

B (23:42)

Give yourself permission. Give your child the permission. In the same way that like, one cookie is not going to make or break our diets or whatever. We're trying to do one cookie on things on Thanksgiving after not having a meal is not going to make or break your child or make them a brat or anything like that.

C (24:00)

It's fine.

B (24:01)

It's the holidays.

A (24:03)

It's the holidays. Now. Something that I've been working on, I'm so behind. I'm like sick to my stomach. Behind on this is my kids holiday clothes. Like, I'm sick.

B (24:13)

I know, I know. Me too.

A (24:16)

I. Something that I just have decided to put on my plate that stresses me out. But I want. It's. I'm not willing to take off my plate is I like my kids to have a few coordinating outfits a year. I find it fun. It's good for my pictures. I find it to be a good challenge, which I'm always into. I think they look adorable. So normally I like take inventory and I like go in my foyer and I just like start throwing pieces on the ground. Like, I know I want George to wear that. I know I want Libby to wear that. And then I fill in the pieces what I can and then I see if anyone needs anything. I have not even. I have no idea what anyone has. Like, if my kids are in a coordinating outfit by this time next week, it will be a flipping miracle because at this point it's too late to really order. I've seen what Target has to offer. I'm not impressed this season for the most part with their dressier clothes at least. So I have no idea what. What. I have no idea what's in store for me.

B (25:11)

You know, I thought about this, and I was like, maybe I should try and order something. And for me, Thanksgiving is nice church clothes, which we have Christmas. I. I'm gonna. I'll probably buy them something new, like a nice Christmas dress, like, a little bit more. And they need two outfits because we do two Christmases, but we only do one day of Thanksgiving for us. So I. I opted to not buy anything new this year for a.

C (25:36)

Clothes.

B (25:36)

And, like, we have. We have nice church clothes. We're just gonna go with that this year.

A (25:42)

I'm so happy for you. I'm not going to do that. I'm. I. That will. I just. Again, this is just. This is just a. A battle that I've chosen.

B (25:50)

Okay, that's fine.

A (25:51)

And I like them in a cute Thanksgiving outfit because I actually like it almost better than Christmas because then it's not seasonal. And I kind of appreciate that. I think I say I have nothing. I have a dress that I want Hattie to wear. The problem is the dress is pink in it, which I find that very hard. Then, like, if Hattie had a navy dress, I could totally, like, make something work with the boys outfits. But Hattie's dress is. I actually got it from Walmart. It's the only thing I bought this fall. And it's pink with green and purple flowers, so. And she's with her pink cowboy boots. So Hattie's the winner. We always have, like, a crown jewel of the outfits, and it changes every single time. Hattie is the winner for things.

C (26:30)

What?

B (26:31)

And it's how do you. This time?

A (26:32)

It's how do you. This time? But stay tuned. Stay tuned. So that's what I'm working on. I'm incredibly excited for the fact that the Lions play on Thanksgiving. Huge. Huge for me. That's so fun.

B (26:50)

The Stumpies will be sat in front of the tv.

A (26:53)

I know. And George is getting a jersey. Georgia actually both getting jerseys for Christmas. And I, like, so want to, like, bring the jerseys and give it to them, but I should probably save them.

B (27:05)

Save them.

A (27:07)

I just feel like that'd be fun, like, because, like, everyone will be watching in our family, and I could, like, show off my little lion fans.

B (27:13)

I know it would be cute, but it's okay. Just save them.

A (27:16)

I still might do it.

C (27:18)

Okay.

B (27:20)

Who am I to tell you not to?

C (27:23)

So.

A (27:23)

Yeah.

C (27:24)

So.

A (27:24)

Yeah.

B (27:24)

Well. Okay. Well, we have, like, a couple of advice questions that I would love to get into, if you don't mind.

A (27:30)

Yeah.

B (27:31)

So if you want to get your own advice, you can write into hello atthekarma official.com. so this one comes from Jen. Hi, Kelly and Liz. I'm a regular listener, listener of your podcast and love your content. As someone with a sister, I love your banter. So fun to listen to on a Saturday Note. My family and I, husband, four year old and five year old, just got into the biggest accident of our lives. Airbags, car totaled, et cetera. We were in, we were in the highway. Another car hit a deer above a hill that we couldn't see and we couldn't avoid them. Everyone walked away. Okay. I think because of the safety of our car and car seats, we had a 2018 Jeep Grand Cherokee L that we had just bought out of our lease. Now, now we are faced with having to choose new car seats and a new car. Do you have any guidance or support? My sense of needing to feel safe, to be needing this, to be a safe car, is extremely heightened. We like three rows for the space and are open to a used car if that makes more sense financially.

A (28:29)

I'm sorry, what year does she think her Grand Cherokee L is?

B (28:32)

It's a 2018.

A (28:34)

That car wasn't out in 2018.

B (28:37)

Oh.

A (28:38)

So I'm wondering if she has that wrong or if she has the car wrong.

B (28:42)

I don't know.

A (28:45)

Maybe she's just a Jeep Grand Cherokee.

B (28:47)

It says probably what it is.

A (28:55)

Well, and this is, this is like such a hard situation because like you're so just. And this is where I think it's, this is where I think it is actually helpful to always have a pulse on the auto industry, the cars that are out there, because I mean, so much of us rely daily on our transportation. And then when you have a situation like this, when then that transportation gets taken from you overnight, I think it can feel very, very overwhelming because you have no idea what's out there, no idea what you want to buy. So it's kind of like, I think that's why I think sometimes I love that we have listeners who listen to this podcast who aren't necessarily in the market because I feel like if they're in that situation, they're going to be, they're going to be more prepared. Yeah. Now cars are so safe. Like, seriously, I've always said this, but like after 20, 15, 16, 17, like they've really kind of like hit like peak safety and they've kind of, I'm not saying plateaued in a bad way, but like there are so many safe use cars in the market. So like I don't subscribe to like newer is safer. I don't find that to be true. I find over 2016 if I had to say safer. So also say is like new car or used car market, both super safe. The IHS has done such a good job making these crash tests more difficult for the manufacturers to step it up. So I would really reference their top safety and top safety pick plus list. I reference them all the time. We reference them when we were scoring the cars because I just feel like they are, are they're totally data backed and based. It's not like oh we like the looks of this one better. Like it's just pure data on who performed better in the crash and it's the manufacturers know what those, what those tests entail. So to me it's like super disappointing when a manufacturer doesn't pass those guidelines and it almost feels like intentional because they know how to pass them, you know.

B (31:03)

Yeah.

A (31:04)

And not all cars get tested so like some of the full size and some of the luxury cars don't get tested in the full size actually got tested recently and they all, none of them performed well. Which you know when you compare them to each other you're like okay, sure it, that one's a little. I have a lot of thoughts on that but I think when you're looking at the mid size market I would really just reference, reference those lists.

B (31:29)

Yeah. And they have all the years too. So if you are in the market for a used you can look up what a 2021 X, Y and Z did and if it was a top city pick plus or not. But though yeah, those mid size not to say that those are safer but those have been consistently tested. So they have been making the updates which you know the minivans just got tested didn't do very well. The full size SUV's just got tested didn't do very well. But like they hadn't been tested as often.

A (31:57)

Right.

B (31:57)

So yeah they haven't been making the changes that the other ones did. So I just think getting a car that's a top safety pick or top safety pick plus will give you some peace of mind.

A (32:06)

I really like to me there is a difference between the plus and not the plus. I don't really care. I think if it's on to me, if it's on the list that's good enough. And yeah, I mean I think the midsize SUVs have no excuse and like not to call out a car but, like, when we're doing those ratings, like, the fact that the Toyota Grand Highlander wasn't on the list is. Is. It's disappointing. It's insane. Yeah, it's insane.

B (32:30)

Yeah, it is insane.

A (32:32)

That's not to say it's not a safe car. It's not. Say I wouldn't even drive one. I mean, the Ford Expedition isn't. The Expedition's not. So, like, I'm not saying that, but I'm saying for someone who. Who really wants to prioritize, like, that is the most important thing to them. I would default you to that list.

B (32:46)

They also tell you. They also tell you how the. How the car did in the crash, too. So if, like, you're really into it now, like, you can see exactly why it got the score and where it scored well in. In what parts of the test. Like, it's very comprehensive.

A (32:59)

Yeah. And you do have to take into account, like, you know, those, Those scores are the. It's a test. So it's. It's a one car hitting one barrier the same way in every single car. So it doesn't always paint the full picture. Because when you think about. When you think about a collision, like, it's. What car is hitting you? How fast is that car hitting you? Where are you hitting it? What's the road condition like? Like, there is so much more to it than just these tests. So you also can't take that as, like, oh, that car was fine, so I'm gonna be fine. Like, you can't take it like that.

B (33:30)

We're always. We're always doing a risk when we get on the road.

A (33:33)

We're always gonna risk when we get on the road. But I can't tell you the cars. Cars are so much safer than they were 20 years ago.

B (33:40)

What would you say about car seats for her?

A (33:43)

Oh, she needs to replace her car seats for sure.

B (33:45)

Of course she needs to replace her car seats. But, like, what are you just, like, maybe stick with what you have. Like, do you have any recommendations?

A (33:52)

Oh, I would need to know more. I would need to know, like, age of kids and what car you end up with. But I mean, same thing. I mean, all the car seats are. Which we have talked about this before. Also, all the car seats pass the same panel guidelines. Like, that's like, like gun to my head. Like, that's what. That's what I'm supposed to say as a cpst, which is true. It is frustrating because we don't know which car seats perform better.

B (34:15)

Yeah.

A (34:17)

But when I've Spoken to people in the field. Their point is the car seats that have maybe performed a little bit better, it almost doesn't matter because it's such a small percentage. And the bigger problem is making sure children are in a car seat in the right car seat that's correctly installed like, like the theory is, it's like if you're getting down to like comparing as an industry, if we get down to comparing which car seat or which car even is that much safer, we're kind of missing the plot because it's like it would be better if we all just drove safer and we had got child children in car seats. Like that's actually where more time, their time and energy needs to be spent.

B (34:55)

So maybe find some car seats that you want and if you just to put your safety mind at ease, go to a CPS check event and just confirm that it's installed correctly.

A (35:06)

And if you decide on the car that you want, you can write into chat CPS team, we'll tell you which car seats we think fit the car and your kids the best.

B (35:13)

Okay, Cal, we're gonna do another advice question. Hi, Kelly and Liz. I need you to convince me to delay my mom car purchase since Kelly's favorite thing to do.

A (35:22)

I love it. I literally love doing this.

B (35:25)

I have two kids, 3 year old, forward facing 10 month in a bucket seat. We're hoping to have four, maybe five kids total. I drive my 2009 Focus from high school and my husband has a 2020 F150. We recently swapped daily vehicles since I need the extra space for stroller, Costco run, large dog and my husband is so sweet for doing this. We had planned on swapping when baby number three came along to delay the mom car purchase. So we are sticking to the plan just a little early. However, we're now realizing how much I drive. Even as a stay at home mom and the gas prices hurt. I'm tempted to just start looking at Sienna's all wheel drive slash hybrid at the top of our list. We want to pay cash. Our budget is limited, but my husband says we stick to the plan and make this work for another kid. What do you think?

A (36:16)

Well, I mean you're spending money either way because I mean Is the F150 paid off?

B (36:21)

Does she say she didn't?

A (36:26)

I would say if the F150 is paid off, like you're better to pay the higher gas prices on the F150. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

C (36:35)

Yeah.

A (36:36)

Also, it depends on your budget. I mean the Sienna wasn't a hybrid until 22. Those are going to be. It's not like you're going out and buying a 2016 Sienna that's going to get incredible fuel economy. So I think that's another. I think the Sienna is a good option for you. I love that car. But, like, to get the benefit of the hybrid, you're looking at 22s, which.

B (36:56)

I couldn't tell you the price of.

A (36:58)

The top of my head about that, but I'm thinking, let me just look it up really fast. Can I do that?

B (37:03)

Yeah, of course you can. It's like, where I just need, like.

A (37:07)

A little more context, you know?

B (37:10)

Yeah. I get that.

A (37:15)

Toyota Sienna for sale, so, I mean, you're looking at. Yeah, like 36 to 40. So I'm not. I don't. I don't know if that's in budget or not. I mean, you said you're paying cash. I don't know what your cash budget is. So that's just something to consider. So, I mean, you're looking at, you know, 40 grand plus taxes.

C (37:36)

Right.

A (37:38)

For. And, like, the F150 fits you guys fine. And, like, it's just a little gas. I mean, I. So it's not like the Sienna's free. It's not like it has no gas. It still needs gas.

B (37:48)

Yeah. So, like, they only. They only have the two kids right now. They want to have plenty more like your time to get that Sienna. Maybe wait until it's a few years when it is a little bit more. Then you might be able to find a used one on the market. A more used one.

A (38:04)

Yeah. I would say if the other thing is paid off, you need to keep driving the F150. Okay. If it's not paid off and, like, it's basically. And like, it's going to be kind of. And it's around the same price. And you could, like, swap. Sure. Swap.

B (38:16)

Yeah.

A (38:17)

Like, if it's. Yeah. You know what I mean?

B (38:19)

I'm not sure. The question is to get rid of the F150.

A (38:22)

Oh. Free car to drive that fits your family. It just isn't great on gas. I think that's a better call still.

B (38:28)

Right? Okay.

A (38:29)

Yeah. Okay.

B (38:31)

Okay, Cal. Well, what do you want to do? You want to do industries? You want to dance with the stars?

A (38:35)

Why don't we get interesting news out of the way just for the people who don't want to watch anything with the stars?

B (38:40)

Yeah.

A (38:40)

Which is crazy to me, but you would, like, not want to be part of, like, this cultural moment. But that's fine. Okay. So Motor Trend does an SUV of the year.

B (38:51)

Okay.

A (38:52)

And.

B (38:57)

Oh my gosh, guess what?

A (38:58)

So they've been doing this since 1998 and the first one was the Lincoln Navigator. That's so fun for them. They've got a couple years on us. Okay. Are you ready for what it is?

B (39:10)

Yes, but can I guess?

A (39:13)

I don't think you will, but yes. I'll give you a clue. It's a luxury car and we love it.

B (39:24)

Have we, have we reviewed one recently?

A (39:27)

Twice.

B (39:30)

The IQ.

A (39:31)

The Cadillac IQ. The Escalade IQ.

B (39:34)

We love the IQ. I know. Oh, the IQ.

A (39:39)

Escalade IQ is the 2026 SUV of the year.

B (39:45)

Yeah.

A (39:47)

So this is. If you don't know what the IQ is. We've done two tours. One tour I was super harsh on because I didn't realize because I'm living and learning and growing that there's this like crazy package that you can get that I hate and then you can get a regular package like doesn't have all these like weird second row flaws, which is the one to get. It is one of the most, and I don't use this word, this is not a word I like to have come out of my mouth often. It is the sexiest car I've ever seen.

B (40:12)

It's. It is. We sit in new cars all the time. It's our full time job. This one felt innovative. It was like no one else is doing that. That's a unique feature. That's innovation that excites like, that is, that's cool. So like, honestly, I mean, so disgustingly expensive but super cool car. Feels like the car of the future. I don't, I haven't read the Motor Trend article but like I get it. I would agree.

A (40:44)

Yeah. So I think it's. And I mean they're not. They again, the pricing I think is like the biggest thing that are going to give people the pit because it is like it's so expensive. But when I, when I think about a car's value and when I think about how they came up with the pricing, I just want to make sure I can get it. Like because I get in some cars and I can't justify, first of all, I could justify a million dollar car if I felt like I got it. I mean things are worth, like that's how it works. Things are worth money. And I sometimes sit in a car and I'm like, I don't get where they're coming up with these pricing, this price from like this is just seeming and craze I sit in the escalated IQ and I'm like, oh, this car is $150,000. And I get it. I'm not saying I buy it. I'm not saying you should buy it. I'm not saying I would spend that money on a car. But I understand the pricing of that vehicle.

B (41:36)

Agreed. Okay.

A (41:38)

That's exciting. It's everything.

B (41:42)

Yeah.

A (41:42)

So. And it really is kind of. It's just, it's been interesting. I mean, I'm, I'm excited about the GM EVS now. The only Achilles heel is it doesn't have Apple carplay because, like, they're taking that out.

B (41:58)

Yeah.

A (42:00)

But we, I always like to look at what the Motor Trend SUV of the year is because they, they had theirs come out in November and then our car of the year will come out in January.

B (42:11)

Yeah.

A (42:12)

And I mean, yeah, the Escalade IQ is on the list, but it's kind of a stacked year.

B (42:17)

Who else is on the list?

A (42:18)

Well, the Ford Expedition will be on the list. The honey. The Hyundai Palisade will be on the list. The Lincoln Navigator will be on the list. I don't know about the Jeep Wagoneer, but it also might be on the list. And I know what you're thinking. Like, I don't. And I don't, I don't know who it's going to be. I haven't done. We have a formula that we plug in and we figure it out. But yeah, I mean, I'm not against it being it's never been a luxury car. I'm not against it. I mean, really, it was almost the Lexus TX last year. Like missed it by a couple of points to be.

B (42:46)

Yeah.

A (42:47)

Like one or two points of a point to beat the Traverse.

B (42:52)

Yeah.

A (42:52)

So we'll see what the car owned car of the year is going to be. But Motor Trend, congratulations. I think it's a good pick because it's a pretty freaking cool car.

B (43:01)

Agreed.

A (43:02)

Yeah. And I think last year's theirs was the Chevy Blazer. So again, they're not like always picking like the most expensive crazy car. Like, they're just picking the car that met their criteria.

C (43:11)

The best.

A (43:11)

Yeah. So that's industry news.

B (43:13)

Let's get into Dancing with the Stars Recap. My first week since I have been doing predictions that I've been incorrect. And I was so bummed to be incorrect this time. And I actually don't think I'm wrong. I think America's wrong.

A (43:29)

I, you know, we're newer fans and like the kind of the trope is now they're like these new fans not knowing how it works. It's like, well, we all came and first of all, like we're actually making the show successful like us newer fans. So like you should be welcoming and exciting and I find it to be.

C (43:48)

The most.

A (43:51)

Vague scoring that I've just ever understood. Like, so. So the judges scores don't matter?

B (44:01)

No.

A (44:02)

So what's it all for?

B (44:05)

Maybe like give people context of like if that was a good dance or not, which I do. Like. Yeah. I mean, I don't know why they're so excited about. I mean, it's a big deal to like say, oh, I got the perfect score this season. But no, I would love, like some more transparency. I would love this judges scores to mean a little bit more. Whitney going home is so unfair and dumb and just at the end of the day, it's wrong. Do we want to start with Whitney or do we want to go through the dances?

A (44:38)

Let's start with Whitney. Let's just get off our chest.

B (44:40)

Okay, here's how I'm feeling.

A (44:41)

You have a lot to say about this.

B (44:43)

Here's how I'm feeling about Whitney. The new season of Secret Lives and Mormon Wives came out. And within the same week, it came out that she revealed that the only reason she came back on Secret Lives of Mormon Wives was to have the opportunity to be with Dancing in the Stars. And everyone's like, can you believe she admitted that? And it's like she's the only one of those girls who's honest about her intentions on the show. You think any one of those girls are just on it to have fun? They're all on it for opportunity. They're all, all on it for fame. At the very least, Whitney recognized after two seasons that this was not for her and it was not for her family and she didn't want it anymore. But then someone with a dance background said, you would have the opportunity to go on Dancing with the Stars. We all, okay, all of us watch this show and think at the end of the day, that would be pretty cool to be on Dancing with the Stars. Like, that would be cool. And I'm not a dancer and I'm woman enough to admit that I think it would be cool to be on Dancing with the Stars. She saw an opportunity. All she had to do was go on this show one more season and she could fulfill a lifelong dream, a once in a lifetime opportunity. And everyone's mad at her for it not adding up to me at all. It makes me like her Even more.

A (45:56)

I have not started the season of Mommy either. I. I don't know if I'll watch it. I have just had a lot of. I don't know. I probably will watch it maybe, but I haven't yet, and I'm in no rush to. But yes, first of all, what is the show? What is mom talk? It's all these, like, they haven't def. They can't even define mom talk as what it is. Like, is it if Taylor, Frankie, Paul says you're in it? Is it if you, like, just make a couple tiktoks, is it off? Is it if you're on the show so, like, you don't even know what it is, and then because you're all just doing it to make money, like, it's a career. And it's not that I don't like those girls, because I do. But, like, where I felt, like, so uncomfortable with the show is like, I just couldn't believe, like, the exploiting of their families and of themselves and of their personal struggles for money. Like, I borderline have. Like, it's not me trying to be a buzzkill because I get that it's good tv, but I don't know, I just. I was watching it this year, and I've been a Housewives fans for years, and I don't know why the Housewives always felt different to me. So, yes, to echo your point, they're all just doing it for money, for fame, for opportunity.

B (47:14)

Opportunity. Wow. Look at us.

A (47:17)

So I don't know. Well, and it's also just kind of that thing, like, the Internet just woke up one day and decided to hate Whitney. And the Internet just does this sometimes. Like, some people get so much unnecessary hate. Some people get. Some people should get a little hate. But then the Internet never forgives it. You know what I mean? Yeah. And I mean, do horrible things and the Internet doesn't care.

B (47:43)

Yeah. No, that's crazy. That's so true. Whitney was the villain on season one. Like, I remember watching. I don't remember what happened on season one. I remember I was leaving that I was like, oh, gosh, I'm not liking this girl. It's bad. I didn't watch season 2 anyway. I have forgotten. I have moved on. At the end of the day, she's a mom. At the end of the day, she's a person. And I really feel bad for her to see the hate she's getting. I felt bad even for Hilaria and the hate that she was getting. I just, as someone who has read stuff, mean stuff about them on the Internet. I feel bad for anyone who gets Internet hate for just, like, making a mistake. Like, it's okay if you say, okay, that was wrong. Like, you should have done that. But just to, like, continue, like, grow up, like, get. Get over it, guys. Touch grass, move on. Like, move on with your life.

A (48:32)

Well, and that's how I felt with season. This is kind of like a Mormon Wives recap, too. But in season two, like, I couldn't buy into Michaela because she was just like, I'll never forgive Whitney. And I'm like, okay, that's crazy. Also, like, not to, like, bring religion into it. Not very Christlike lady. Like, I just don't get the show is, like, it's just. It's not. Whitney was the best dancer. I would like to see her. I didn't need her to win. Like, I get that. I understand there's a level of it that is a popularity contest, but I feel like you should advance because of the fan vote, not be eliminated because of the fan vote.

B (49:08)

Yeah.

A (49:09)

Do you know what I'm saying?

B (49:10)

Yeah, I get that. Yeah.

A (49:12)

Like, I'm. I was like, I even get the Andy thing. Like, that's fine. Like, they wanted to push Andy through, but, like, she had the highest scores all season. She should be in the finale. I mean, that was crazy.

B (49:24)

She had a great. I think she was really emotional because I think that she knew that she was going home. Like, she cried a couple of times, and I think that she kind of knew her time was coming. I appreciated how genuine she was. I appreciated her. Her.

A (49:44)

She's.

B (49:45)

At the end of the day, she's honest, and I'm here for honest people. She was honest. She said what her intentions were on the show. She didn't have to do that, but she was honest. She. She said that, like, this was a dream come true for her. And I also saw. She went on Danielle's podcast, and they were joking. Like, she was like, do you think you'll win? And she was like, could you imagine what the Internet would say? Would you. Can you imagine if the Internet even made it, allowed me to make it through the finals? Like, she's very aware of the situation.

A (50:17)

Yeah, I know it's. No, it's. It's. And I'm not. I know she's not perfect. Like, I remember the. I know the RSV video. I know that she was the villain. Like, I know all of those things, but we just don't live in a world where people can. It's Almost like, we don't live in a world where people can get forgiven anymore. And I think that's wrong. I think that people should. I think we've lost the art of forgiveness again. We need. We all need a little more Jesus in our lives. Because, like, that's kind of his whole trope. Like, forgive. Try it.

B (50:46)

Yeah. Yeah.

A (50:48)

It's really. It's really bothering me. And, like, I. I just can't help think, like, I haven't watched that interaction, but, like, I want to look freaking demi square in the eyes. It's like, okay, so why did you decide to come on? Because, like, I'm also. You guys can all shut up with this trope of, like, we're empowering women.

B (51:04)

No, you're not.

A (51:07)

You're not. You're not. Sorry. Good for you.

B (51:12)

You have a following. You're making good content, like, hacking the system, you know, I.

A (51:16)

You make good content. I'm not judging you. But, like, to say that no one's intentions are pure. I would also say Whitney's intention to go back on the show, to go on Dancing with the Stars, something that she loves to do is dance, is actually the purest intention to go back on the show.

B (51:30)

That's what I'm saying. So that's why I'm just like, whatever. Like, Whitney was never going to win. She was going to go home. Someone had to go home. Everyone's. Everyone is really good at this point. I'm just pissed that everyone's acting like, what she did on Secretized Mormon Wives is, like, the biggest gag of the century and, like, such a huge deal, because it's simply not so whatever. Whitney went home.

A (51:57)

And I'll say it. It should have been Elaine, and Elaine is my favorite. Yeah. Or it should have been Dylan. Or Dylan's dances were not great.

B (52:08)

Oh, I'm just gonna be the one to say it. I didn't care for that theme. I turned out, I don't know a single Prince song. And I found some of the. The. The dances. Boy, like, everyone kind of had an off night. I felt like everyone just kind of had one or two off dances. And I don't know if it was a theme or if it was just an off night. I didn't care for the theme. Sometimes I just, like, don't want a theme, you know?

A (52:32)

Yeah. So I was thinking about Prince, and I was talking to Tyler. Not that he was, like, really watching, but I was like, this is so interesting. And he was like. Tyler was like, Prince was, like, so big during the time, but Like, I just don't know if a lot of his songs have, like, aged as much as people think they would. And it kind of made me think of, like, you know, in like, 30 years from now, will our kids be watching Dancing with the Stars? And it'll be like Justin Bieber songs. It'll be like the Justin Bieber night.

B (53:03)

It'll be like a Taylor Swift night for sure.

A (53:06)

Yeah, it'd be a for sure. Well, that. I'm saying that. That. That. That'll last this. That will last the test of time. No, you're right.

B (53:13)

Prince. Prince hasn't, like, in the way that another great showman, like Queen Frederick Mercury, like, I think a lot more. I think their songs are a lot more recognizable than Prince. So I didn't know any Prince songs.

A (53:26)

I didn't love watching them dance two times. I've liked how in the other times we've, like, done different things. I thought that was more fun.

B (53:34)

Yeah, I think that's just like.

A (53:36)

But also, I'm just learning none of it. What's frustrating about the show is I'm just learning that none of it matters, so it doesn't matter. And I don't know, like, do you think. I think I'm gonna, like, I'm definitely gonna watch next season because. But I. I'm gonna watch next season because I think this season was kind of a freak fluke and, like, that there's so many good dancers and there's people who are hated. Like, to have Hilaria and Whitney on the same season is crazy. They're hated. People hate them.

B (54:05)

Yeah.

C (54:05)

Yeah.

A (54:08)

I don't know. So now who do you think it's gonna be? Well, it's kind of like anyone's nearby.

B (54:15)

No, it's not. Robert crushed it last night.

A (54:19)

Yeah.

B (54:20)

Rob. Alex, her first dance was fine.

A (54:25)

Robert.

B (54:26)

Robert was on fire last night. Robert's really coming into his own. I think it's Robert or Alex. I don't know who. I think, like, Dylan's. I think the reason, honestly, Dylan, like, for sure made it in. What did you see that Zach posted vote for my brother on to his 60 million followers? Zac Efron was there. I was so excited to see him there. I don't even. The biggest Zac Efron person there. It's just like the lore of it. I was excited to see him there. It's. It's Alex or Robert for me. I. I at this moment, I honestly don't know who.

A (55:02)

Yeah, I think.

B (55:04)

I'm assuming. I'm assuming Alex has more followers But I actually don't know.

A (55:09)

I think it will be Robert. I think they just like that synergy. I think Bendy won it. I think it's international, and I don't know if international people are watching Robert.

B (55:21)

Robert has double the followers that Alex has.

A (55:26)

Yeah. I mean, he's famous. I think it will be Robert. Thank you.

B (55:31)

I deserve it. I. I agree. I agree. I. I do find it. I think it's so interesting. I feel like the Internet just, like, loves to hate women sometimes, especially, like, influencers. Like, I think that people, like, don't love the influencer thing. It's like, oh, these girls, like, what have they done? I'm surprised. Huh? Exactly. I'm surprised that Alex hasn't gotten a lot of, like, the. The troll. The troll hate. Not that I think. I don't think any of the girls deserve it, but I'm. I'm very impressed with her. But I. I guess, like, not. Not a lot of crusty men probably watch Dancing with the Stars. Yeah.

A (56:13)

I don't know. I. I would love to have, like, open and honest conversations about people who are excited that Whitney went home. And I just, like, can't believe I'm out here defending Whitney Lovett. Like, just didn't see that on my bingo card. But I just, like. I guess I just didn't realize how little of a competition show this was and how much of a popularity contest this was.

B (56:37)

This was. Okay, so I have a group text. You want to hear my group text with my girlfriends about Whitney going home?

A (56:44)

Yeah.

B (56:45)

Okay, so tell me. Someone was. Well, this is like, kind of like the Whitney, the pro Whitney going home kind of. Tell me what happened. Whitney originally didn't come back to film for season three until she heard there was a Dancing with the Stars audition. Wait, so you mean, like, she. She wasn't. She wasn't around for a few episodes and then was like, hey, I'm back because of Dancing the Stars. Oh, wow. So pretty much you secret, live secret on Dancing with the Stars? Yeah, Straight up admitted it on her show with no shame. I said, it doesn't bother me. I said basically all the things I just said, my friend goes true. I guess the rest of the voters didn't like that. Didn't like it. So that's why she went home. Someone goes, she just has so many haters. All those girls were crazy on the show, though. And then they. They brought up, like, the first season. It just. It def. Bothered a lot of her co stars and probably a lot of other viewers.

A (57:40)

So that's Well, I think it bothered them because they need to have content for their show to film. I actually don't think. I think that they all know they would do the right thing, but they're looking for a storyline, and this is it.

B (57:50)

They're salty that they didn't get picked to be on Dancing with the Stars.

A (57:53)

And they're like, oh, this will be good. We'll fluff this up. I mean, it's just crazy. I don't know. I don't know. And I really care, so that's sad for me. But, Elizabeth, we have to move on because we have meetings, meetings, meetings. We don't just give women in tech.

B (58:09)

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I have a. I know. We'll move on. I have a quick sent into us. It sounds delicious. Lemon pepper and garlic crispy chicken thighs and potatoes. Pack of skin on bone in chicken thighs, little gold potatoes. 1 tbsp of baking powder, Salt, pepper, lemon pepper seasoning, garlic powder, olive oil, butter, juice of lemon. 4 is optional. Preheat to 450. Pat dry chicken thigh. Combine baking powder, salt, black pepper. Measure with your heart on the lemon pepper seasoning in a small bowl. Make the potatoes how you know in the oven. Sprinkle seasonings over each thigh where it will almost form a paste consistency. Oh, okay. You have to use your fingers. Kind of rub it all in together. Sprinkle under each thigh as well. It's okay if there's leftover seasoning. Put little pats of butter around the potatoes. Place in the oven for 35 to 45 minutes until the internal temperature is 165. Oh, so you do it on one sheet pan. So I was trying. I'm trying to read it quickly. I'll post this on the. On the. On the Instagram.

A (59:15)

Yum.

B (59:15)

That sounds delicious. I love lemon pepper.

A (59:17)

I need to be eating more of it.

B (59:20)

Me too. All right, guys, well, that's gonna wrap up our episode. So thank you so much for listening to the carpool podcast, and we'll talk to you next time.

A (59:26)

Love you guys. Bye. Thank you for listening to the carpool podcast with Kelly and Liz. Make sure you're subscribed so you never miss an episode. And if you enjoyed riding with us, tell everybody you know there's room in the car for everyone.