Jim Fortin on the One Piece to Get Unstuck from Your Subconscious Mind & Become Abundant

Summary

The Cathy Heller Podcast: Jim Fortin on the One Piece to Get Unstuck from Your Subconscious Mind & Become Abundant

Air Date: June 23, 2025
Host: Cathy Heller
Guest: Jim Fortin (Transformation coach, podcast host, subconscious mind expert)

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Episode Overview

In this soul-stirring episode, Cathy Heller welcomes subconscious transformation leader Jim Fortin. The conversation dives deep into how we can free ourselves from old subconscious programming, rewire our identity, and step into true abundance. Blending ancient shamanic wisdom and modern neuroscience, Jim shares personal stories, tools, and profound truths about healing, consciousness, and manifesting the life you desire.

This episode unpacks:

• Why content alone doesn’t create transformation without an identity shift
• The difference between “doing” and “being”—and how to truly align with abundance
• The non-negotiable role of attention and self-talk in shaping reality
• The misunderstood relationship to money and a radical new perspective
• Deep healing and accessing source consciousness for miraculous changes

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Jim Fortin’s Personal Journey: From Scarcity to Subconscious Mastery

[05:59 – 13:51]

• Jim’s early life: Raised in poverty in rural Texas, chasing money, learning through hard knocks (including losing everything to a Ponzi scheme).

• “I was upside down broke, digging in the backseat of my car for change so I could buy a can of tuna and a box of macaroni and cheese for dinner.” – Jim Fortin [06:36]

• Studied every money book and motivational program but realized, “I could regurgitate it… but I couldn’t demonstrate the transformation. Why am I not making money?”

• Entered the world of Neuro-Linguistic Programming and hypnosis, learning: “What matters is not what I analytically ‘think’ I want… what matters is my frequency and vibration—that comes from my identity, how I see myself subconsciously.” [09:10]

• Life-changing moment: Reunited with his biological mother, discovered his brother-in-law was a shaman and direct student of Don Juan (Carlos Castaneda fame). Underwent 30 years of spiritual training, learning to heal, manifest, and “shed the ego.”

The Power and Problem of Personal Development

[16:00 – 20:12]

• The personal development industry as "broken for the consumer": “You can buy 100 diet books, but they all prescribe external behaviors. What’s not changed is the identity of the person reading them.” [16:52]
• “If my context is ‘broke,’ whatever I read—my brain will filter it out because it’s inconsistent with how I see myself.” [18:17]
• Brilliant analogy: Content vs. Context. Books = content; your subconscious identity = context.
• “If they can’t integrate it, the content is of no value. So we have to shift at a core, identity level.” – Jim Fortin [18:55]

The Model of Be, Do, Have (vs. Have, Do, Be)

[20:12 – 23:42]

• Cathy: “That is one of the most brilliant things anyone has shared on this show.” [19:14]
• Jim: “You must ‘be’ before you can ‘do’ before you can ‘have’... Most people have it backwards: ‘If I had money, I could do things and then be successful.’ But if you don’t have, you don’t do, and you don’t be.”
• “Are we human beings or human doings? We try to ‘do’ to make money when we’re ‘poor’ inside—so whatever we do doesn’t work.” [21:40]
• "We're not even spiritual beings; that's a human label. We are cosmic beings. You're somewhere before you got here, and you'll be somewhere after." [22:32]

Healing Yourself and the Role of Attention

[31:21 – 36:01]

• Jim shares wisdom from shamanic training and personal recovery from heart failure and stroke:
  • “We can heal anything when we tap into consciousness and divine energy.” [13:51]
• Emphasis on self-talk and where we place our attention:
  • “You are where your attention is.” [31:21 and 33:18]
  • “Most people speak their lives into existence: 'I am so broke,' 'I am so fat.' The most powerful thing is to manage the self-talk—because when you manage your attention, you change your reality.” [34:02]

Unpacking Manifestation and Allowing Abundance

[44:11 – 46:24]

• Jim’s radical perspective: “Money is of zero value until I give it value and use it. I am the power—money needs me more than I need money, but we've been conditioned to give all our power away to money.”
• “This money is useless without me using it.” [46:17]
• On manifestation:
  • “I can’t manifest anything myself. Consciousness manifests everything—it’s my job to tell consciousness what I desire and then allow. Stop trying to figure it out; just allow and get out of the way.” [48:15]
  • Most people’s block: worthiness—“They don't believe they're worth abundance.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Being vs. Doing:
  • “You must be before you can do before you can have.” – Jim Fortin [20:30]
• Content vs. Context:
  • “I could read the books but couldn’t demonstrate the information. Why am I not making money?” – Jim [07:05]
• The Power of Attention:
  • “You are where your attention is… The most powerful thing we can do right here: manage the self-talk. When you manage your self-talk, you manage your attention. When you manage your attention, you change your reality.” – Jim [33:18]
• On Money:
  • “Money needs you more than you need money.”—Jim [45:10]
  • “The money is powerless without me. But we chase the money, which means money controls us.” [45:24]
• Healing and Consciousness:
  • “If consciousness could create this, it can uncreate it. That is gorgeous.” – Cathy [41:32]
• Cathy’s Reflection:
  • “That is, without question, possibly one of the most brilliant things that has ever been shared on this show... I am so profoundly moved.” [19:14]

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Important Timestamps & Segments

• Jim’s Origins & Transformations: [05:59 – 13:51]
• Why Personal Development Often Fails: [16:00 – 20:12]
• Be, Do, Have Explained in Depth: [20:12 – 23:42]
• Healing through Consciousness: [35:52 – 41:27]
• Managing Attention & The Power of Self-Talk: [31:21 – 35:25]
• Money Wants You, Manifestation & Allowing: [44:11 – 49:50]
• Free Resource from Jim: Get Unstuck Challenge: [50:14 – 52:13]

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Takeaway Summary

1. We can heal anything when we tap into consciousness and divine energy.
2. Content is of no value if we can't integrate it; we must shift at the core identity level.
3. Abundance is not external—abundance is alignment. Be > Do > Have.
4. You are where your attention is. Manage self-talk to change reality.
5. You can create and uncreate from your consciousness by knowing yourself as soul.
6. Money needs you more than you need money—it is powerless without you.
7. It’s not your job to figure everything out. Allow the universe and get out of your own way.

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Resources & Where to Find Jim Fortin

• Free “Get Unstuck Challenge”: jimfortin.com/abundant
• Podcast: Transform Your Life from the Inside Out
• Community: app.jimfortin.com (free)
• Book: Subconscious Solution (out soon on Amazon)

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Overall Tone

The conversation is profound, warm, direct, yet accessible. Jim’s grounded wisdom and candid storytelling blend with Cathy’s authentic curiosity and resonance. The dialogue is punctuated by "a-ha" insights and paradigm-shifting truths, offering listeners a real portal into the energetic principles underlying abundance, healing, and personal change.

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Highly recommended for anyone ready to transcend limiting narratives and step boldly into a more aligned, abundant self.

Transcript

[A]

Okay so i'm so excited because guess what my paperback of abundant ever after is coming out on eleven eleven how cool is that simon and schuster said that they picked that date without even realizing that eleven eleven is kind of that date that's like known for synchronicity and that's what the whole book is about so i'm really excited it would mean the world to me if you would pre order a paperback and there's so many perks if you pre order one copy of the paperback you get to come you get a virtual ticket to a live event we're doing that day if you order three co you can have a free in person ticket to the event we're doing in person in los angeles if you order five books five free order of paperback you get to come sit in the front row and get some perks and if you order twenty two copies just the first few that do this i'm going to do a one on one coaching session with you so go pre order the paperback it would mean the world to me and then you can just email helloathyheller dot com and you can let us know if you did any of those things and we will get you all the insights and we'll get you the inside scoop on all those perks i love you guys so much and thank you for supporting abundant ever after it's been so cool to read your reviews and how well the book is doing and it did hit the usa today bestseller list which totally means the world to me so thank you thank you thank you.

[B]

Hey guys it's.

[A]

Kathy heller welcome back to abundant ever after i hope you had a beautiful weekend it has been really a fascinating weekend for me i sent an email to anyone who's on our email list about some of the details but essentially we came to florida and we were supposed to leave for paris and greece on my birthday and it's amazing how sometimes what actually feels like the most abundant choice is just choosing your own peace and today is actually one year since my father died it's his in hebrew we call it a yard site it's his death anniversary and you're supposed to go visit the grave and see your loved one and the sages say that they come to meet you there and i just knew i couldn't get on the plane and a couple days later there was all of this unrest in the world with what's going on and it was just like i knew i needed to be here and so today i'll be visiting the cemetery and spending that time you know really drinking in this soul connection with my dad and doing what's best for my soul so i'll keep you posted if i actually postpone and go on the trip later this week or if we just stay put in any case i'm thrilled because i recorded this episode a few weeks ago with jim fortin and he's wonderful and and you're going to enjoy this episode so much jim is a leader in subconscious transformation he's a podcaster a speaker a coach a master practitioner of neuro linguistic programming and a master hypnotist he's worked in the personal development field for many decades he's helped thousands of people rewire their identity and align with higher consciousness and become the change they're asking and seeking for his podcast the jim fortin podcast is an amazing resource that explores topics like brain science transformational psychology and ancient wisdom you can take your life to levels that you never thought were possible he's talked to guests like gary zukoff james wedmore and i was just recently on a show which was such a delight so definitely check that out jim is so brilliant and grounded and he's such a phenomenal teacher who knows how to break down these concepts so we can get a much deeper understanding this conversation is like a masterclass in shifting your subconscious mind getting unstuck from your ego and embodying the version of yourself who effortlessly attracts health wealth and freedom i learned so much and i highly recommend you take notes so without further ado please welcome.

[B]

The incredible jim porton jim i am so happy to meet you i have heard about you through so many people that i admire who admire you and so that's always a really good vote for the person i'm looking forward to this conversation because what you've been doing with your life and traversing the conversations and the true depth of how we can get inside of our real truth and our subconscious mind and bend it so that we can have more access to the life we want to experience it's just what other conversations should we be having like it's the most exciting conversation so thank you for being here.

[C]

Thank you for the invite i'm thrilled to be here and i was doing some research for our time together and you had mentioned some people and i looked at people that you follow and that are connected to me and you may or you may not know these people mel abraham carrie green james wedmore gary zukoff lisa carpenter emma dunwoody nikki samago brandon lucero amber mchugh and kajabi i've coached every one of these people so you probably know gary right i.

[B]

Love gary he brings tears to my eyes yes and yeah i've heard about you from so many beautiful souls and so i love that you did that research by the way i don't think anyone's ever said to me here's who we know in common and it's so beautiful to see the threads of how we are connected and i love that you that so that my audience because my audience knows many of those people and has a lot of love for those people so that's really a beautiful place to start can we dive into i want to hear a little bit about your personal journey and how you came upon the well of all of this personal development and understanding that where you wanted to put your focus was working with the subconscious mind like what was your own personal journey that led you to knowing that that would be.

[C]

Your path great question i'm going to answer a way that i normally don't normally i just make it succinct and more three d because a lot of podcasts i'm on are more three d oriented and you know what i mean by three d right yes of course physical ego it's okay so ninety percent of my journey is literally written in the stars but i didn't know it many years ago i'm going to back up though i out of college i was chasing money all the things that many three d egos do i was out of college in the late eighties the mo back then was money make a lot of money the movie wall street was out and people were in the green yeah all that and i started working with an entrepreneur who turned out to be a con man and i had money out of college and he's been in prison twice after i left working with him yeah he went for the largest ponzi scheme in texas now i didn't know all that but he got my money too so i was upside down broke digging in the we're going to talk about abundance and this is something that i know about because i've lived that i grew up poor texas farm bo and i remember when i was probably twenty two or twenty three digging in the backseat of my car for change so i could buy a can of tuna and the box of macaroni and cheese for dinner many of us have been there you know but i'm like how do people come back from this and i heard on the radio that's what we listened to back then about former texas a former texas governor who went bankrupt in his seventies and i'm like how do you come back in your seventies so we started listening to a lot of motivational stuff zig ziglar les brown brian tracy and the motivators and i did that for a few years and i'm like there's got to be more this sounds good but i'm not getting the change i don't feel any better so i was like i need more i just this all sounds good and i can regurgitate it and repeat it but i'm not being it meaning i'm not feeling it and money definitely was not changing i mean i read i kid you not five thousand books on money everybody from wayne dyer to everyone and i could read the books and this is the crux of everything i i do i could read the books but it was all information but i couldn't demonstrate the information why am i not i know all this about money but i'm not making money i'm not attracting money so then i got involved in neuro linguistics nlp and my mentor she's the one who taught tony robbins nlp back in the eighties and she learned from bandler and grinder the co developer so i actually i worked with her for about a decade she took me under her wing she's in her late eighties now but she took me under her wing back in the early nineties and started working with me and then i got involved in hypnosis and then in the late nineties i worked at the hypnosis institute in new york city because i'm thinking and i started learning it doesn't matter what i analytically think that i want that's left brain prefrontal cortex what matters is what my frequency and vibration is spiritual language but what matters that comes from my identity how i see myself at a subconscious level now all these years i saw myself as the poor kid from little bitty texas town we can't afford we don't have we're not like that rich people have that we're not rich we don't know how we're going to pay for that money doesn't grow on trees until i shifted what i call my identity at a subconscious level i chased money forever and the more i chased the more i ran it off and once i shifted that that's when i started attracting money now i said ninety ten that's ten percent of the journey the other ninety percent is when i was thirty two i met my mother i was adopted and my adoptive mother said when i was twenty five she goes i want to introduce you to your biological mother i resisted for five years i'm like i have no desire i was close to my adoptive mother well i broke down and met my adoptive mother when i was thirty one which is like thirty years ago and the first night we were having dinner that i met her she said to me she goes your brother in law is a shaman and she goes if you've ever heard of the teachings of don juan by carlos castaneda he your brother in law is the actual student who worked with don juan who stole the stories to castaneda so i have been literally working with this shaman now my brother in law for thirty years and that's all about evolution and growth spiritually shedding the ego shedding the personality which by the way i'm still working on and i will be working on until i leave the planet but he's the one who really taught me about healing health wellness and abundance will probably go here i pretty much kicked the bucket in twenty twenty and i'm perfectly fine today but he showed me how to heal he showed me and taught me how i had to be to make wealth and abundance in life and then how to use it sorry for being so long winded but i knew that would resonate with a lot of people.

[B]

I mean there's nothing at all to be sorry about because that was really so magnificent and at the end it brought tears to my eyes what a wild gorgeous it is a movie it's like a movie that you went on the soul curriculum and by having the courage to meet your mother yeah there was other piece of the puzzle that was like there on the treasure map right on the other side of that and then you've now had these incredibly powerful different dual sort of curriculums that you've like woven together well with my.

[C]

Brother in law the other part of the equation is that being a shaman we used to do ceremonies and power spots on the planet my family has been inside teoteh for two nights unsupervised allowed by the president of mexico my family with my brother in law has been inside kiops for two nights unsupervised with we've done ceremony of machu picchu isleta soul island of the sun haleakala choco canyon so it's the energies and their frequencies that i've been in and i bring those energies and all those years of being this into the work that i do today because you and i do the same work our objective is to a high tide raises all ships what can we do to make the world a better place so i look at my training because when i had doctors don't know why in twenty twenty i had both a stroke and heart failure in twenty twenty and i kicked the bucket and when i got out of the hospital i had the heart failure first and my brother in law showed me how to heal five and a half months later i was sitting at his house for dinner and i was just i was said well i had heart failure i was just kind of kidding and he was very serious he goes get over that you're healed from that so about two weeks later i had a stroke and i was in the hospital they did all the testing again and the neurologist said i thought you said you had heart failure and i said i did and he goes your heart according to all the testing we've done is stronger than most people's hearts and so the whole point is for people listening we can heal anything when we tap into consciousness and divine energy so the whole i guess the final point was is that in these deeper ceremonies with him i started learning about resonance and frequency and all these things that we bring to our three d life meaning our physical life to create the health the wealth the money and the abundance and our experience on the planet i mean it's.

[B]

Just so juicy there's so much in what you bring and share and how generous and how curious you are and how filled with all these riches that it's like i can't wait to just dive into as much as we can today i just want to i guess name you know one thing that people could go and get is a book that you wrote in twenty twenty three called subconscious solution and that's one place we could right now tap into a little bit and just see if we can just draw out some of that i know that there's literally levels and levels to this but just to begin the conversation i think a lot of people have heard a little bit about the subconscious mind at this point but they don't really have let's just start here they don't really know how to embody or actually work with their subconscious mind so there actually is that change right and people at this point my mom tells me that when she was growing up the bookstore didn't have any section called self development she goes now self development section is like the biggest part of the bookstore so at this point in history i think people have a little bit of information and yet still feel as though the way you felt early on in your journey i might have read these books or i might have heard the terms nlp or i might have seen a bumper sticker but i don't yet have real experience changing the pattern in my mind changing the story and changing the identity that i'm walking around with so just from that point of the subconscious mind can you give us a little bit of what might help be a bridge for people today where they could start to understand more of how to really understand that model and how to change what just seems like groundhog day like they're just going to keep living groundhog day because they yeah they don't yet know how to really disrupt and create a.

[C]

New pattern for real it's a beautiful question and that number one you talk about your mom in the personal development industry that industry is broken for the consumer that works very well for the information providers now what i mean by that is the information providers you can go to and i have not been in years i live in sedona we don't have any bookstores here but i used to live in dallas and you can go into barnes and noble and there's a whole section of personal development and you might see literally i don't know twenty fifty one hundred diet books so people buy all these books from all these authors from all these diets now the person buying the book is buying it because they have the air quote problem or challenge of being overweight overeating whatever it is so let's slow down there i'm buying the dot not me but a person is bought our money book or whatever they're buying the diet book because they have a problem they're trying to solve then the diet book tells you how to solve the problem what people are looking at is what is the identity subconsciously of the person having the problem so you buy the diet book and it tells you do a b c d and e they're all external behaviors meaning i'm just making this up but you know calories in versus calories out you know get rid of the junk food in your house actually all these basic exercise whatever you read it you've got a plan and you're like oh okay i can follow the plan but what's never factored in here and people don't know number one most people aren't even in personal development and then those that are don't even know what sharing with you now so i read the book and i'm like okay i got a plan of attack for my money or my body or whatever it is but what's never changed is the identity of the person reading the content that's why i call it content versus context i can read a book all day long about money health wellness whatever it's content but if my context is broke or overweight or whatever whatever i read my brain is automatically going to filter it out because it's inconsistent with my subconscious identity whatever we are at the identity level is who we be and what we do naturally a great example for eighty seventy percent of your listeners because many don't work with you but they listen and kudos for that is they're struggling with money which is probably a reason people seek you out they resonate with your frequency and vibration but they struggle with money and they gather good content and they've read all the wayne dyer books and deepak chopra and they've read all the books and the money books by i don't know grant cardone and all these people and it sounds good on paper but they can't integrate it and if they can't integrate it the content is of no value so we have to shift at a core identity level now let's go deeper i have to.

[B]

Say this to you i've done over a thousand episodes that is without question possibly one of the most brilliant things that has ever been shared on this show i am so grateful to you that you just said that i am so profoundly moved by what you just said it makes so much sense i mean what needs to be shared is what you just said in order to be the glue that is so brilliant i mean all we do is have people on who wrote books and we send people the books and people read the books and then i've always said why is it that people just keep reading the books and they're reading the books and they just don't necessarily have the transformation and what you just synthesize in three minutes is so profound and you're the first person who's ever said that and it's so generous that you said that that is a quantum leap what you just said okay keep going.

[C]

Thank you i was reading and i follow you on instagram i was reading your instagram this morning and you had a passage in there by the kabbalah and it was about abundance and abundance is not external which is what people try to do abundance is alignment now back to where we're going here be do have i learned this fifteen years ago you must be before you can do before you can have so i must be rich in my mind before i can do things to have the money most people have it backwards they want have do be if i have or i had the money to do things like facebook ads or hire a va or hire podcast team then i could be successful it's a backward strategy because if you don't have right now you won't do and then you won't be so because you don't have you keep not having which means you keep not doing which means you keep not being successful we got to reverse that let's dive even deeper i just recognized to myself i'm a diver that's what i do i dive deep and i go beyond and i never it never dawned on me till just now after all these years is i look at what people put out and i go underneath i dive deeper so for b to have are we human beings or human doings we're human beings but here's the thing most people become human doings let me do to make money now i'm going to be poor at my identity level but let me do things we see this in the economy right now because there are a lot of people struggling in the economy so what's their natural inclination because they've learned this through generations let me do things to make money but they're still poor in their mind so whatever they do doesn't work but let's go deeper to being what does it mean to be we don't know how to be let me go even deeper than that you've heard in our industry you've heard many people say we are not human beings first we are spiritual beings well the problem with that is that many spiritual beings are running away from organized religion it doesn't work for them organized religion is dogma but many people take their spirituality and also make it dogma which is a religion so their spirituality whether it be buddhism or kabbalah or whatever is still an organized well i guess buddhism is an organized religion but kabbalah let's say or wicca or something they make that a religion so where i go to is we're not even spiritual beings because that's a human label we are cosmic beings meaning you were somewhere before you got here you're somewhere you're going to get somewhere when you leave now let's get back to this kabbalah passage that i've mentioned alignment alignment with who and what and what does that mean well alignment is when you understand you are an eternal cosmic being having a human experience that you identify with as spiritual or christian or atheist or whatever but you always have to go back to source and that's what we as humans don't know how to do and when you go to source you're truly being.

[B]

So beautiful and everything you just said about the being and the having and the doing and the way that that all works and the way that most people do it backwards all that tracks and all makes sense so thank you for the model of building that out okay before we keep going i.

[A]

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[B]

So you've named the question and you've named that gap whereas sometimes we're reading books it's the content not the context i love how you said that and then over here it's the what do i need to do but it's really the question we're not asking is who do i need to be so does the work you're doing help us to finally then step into the actualizing of the identity if we're so married to an identity of whatever is in the ego right whatever is outside of alignment how do we switch radio stations from the ego to the being that is genuinely true to our actual essence sure.

[C]

A couple of places we can go here let me ask you this have you ever been on vacation yes okay you ever fly somewhere and rent a car when you're there and drive around and see that sure yes so you go on vacation you hop on an airplane you go somewhere you get your rental car and you drive around whether it's europe or northern california you're just driving around okay now when the vacation's over do you drive your rental car home or do you take it back and drop it off and go home drop it back you drop it off that's the human experience literally the bodies are rental cars we're here on the planet we incarnated when you incarnate you get the body you get the rental car you drive the rental car around for fifty sixty seventy eighty maybe one hundred years but when the vacation's over you literally drop the rental car off and you go home so back to your question we see this all the time meaning you and i people wanting things they're wanting to build things meaning they're wanting to build a life wanting to build money wanting to build health it's the reverse it's about evolving it's not about getting things it's about being something meaning being aligned with the essence of your soul energy so give you an example i drive and i've for many years now different porsches or mercedes i drive a porsche now i had a porsche a couple back when i had the heart failure and stroke i had a porsche my brother in law was sitting down talking to me i live in sedona you probably have heard of it it's a small town and he knew the answer to this he goes so what do you drive and i said well a porsche he goes if something happens to it do you take it to joe schmo mechanic in sedona or do you go to the dealership where they've got porsche certified trained experts to work on your car they've got factory training and i said well i'm going to take my porsche to the porsche dealership and he goes then why when people want money or they're sick do they go to the mechanic they should go to the manufacturer the manufacturer is the creator the metaphor makes sense right the manufacturer so we always go back to the creator and the creator is not an identity like a christian god or a muslim god or an islamic god or that's not the creator the creator is consciousness which literally is god because consciousness is all and everything in the universe physics demonstrated proven and we know this is consciousness because without consciousness you and i right now would be dead bags of skin people listening without the consciousness they would be a dead bag of skin we need the consciousness which is universal intelligence to run through us so it's not about trying to create things when i work from being i go to one place know myself as soul what does it mean to be and i explore know myself as soul because my soul saint germain said when humans understand how the universe works they will cease to believe in miracles so i've always explored how does the universe work and the only way i can know that is to be conscious of my consciousness to explore that getting my ego out of the way which i'm still working on but connecting with divine mind for me is what christians would call the kingdom of heaven.

[B]

For me it's music everything you're saying because it's very much a mirror in many ways although we use different language it's very much a mirror of my path i spent three years in jerusalem after college and then spent many years sort of in the study of cabal and jewish mysticism so my software program was changed at the age of nineteen to a station of consciousness right and this oneness when people haven't had that experience in whatever way they need to have it they could be listening to you or me and think to them oh that's so beautiful that's so lovely and good for him but i don't have the capacity to buy it because my mind is so hardwired into my own language into what i was taught and that all feels they might say like a leap right and so what i'm going to go back to is the illusion of separation what i'm going to go back to is that i am finite all of this stuff so my question is when somebody loves it and they want to internalize the identity of a being of a cosmic being all of the things that you just said and yet their subconscious programming is very congruent it runs its program every day it's very consistent and it tells it everything but that how do they actually change that so that their subconscious mind works with them to understand how to set a new program for their true identity so they're not hearing you say this and nodding along while meanwhile having a whole subconscious track that will continue to play a very different.

[C]

Track okay i'm going to start backwards and go to the front so make a note of this in case i forget to bring it back to this because i'm going to go on a little bit of a spiel here you are where your attention is so remind me of that when we come back in the event i skip over that.

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You are what you're okay go ahead.

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Okay so you mentioned you said many people's minds are hardwired the mind is not hardwired the brain is hardwired the brain is organic the mind is ethereal so what most people don't understand they think the mind is a brain they are separate mind exists outside of the brain that is consciousness scientists cannot find the mind makes sense right they don't know where the mind is okay now the brain we talk about habits and you mentioned the word hardwired because you did use the word habits and i i teach all this in my programs so habits are organic they are neural pathways in the brain so what we do john lock said the british philosopher we grew up tabula rasa we come to the planet blank slates and then we grow up and then i was going to say plato actually said give me a child until the age of eight and i will own them for a lifetime we become we become conditioned to be as a child your parents are abusive you learn to respond to that as a coping mechanism your parents are loving you learn to respond to that because as babies we're looking for survival coping mechanisms so whatever environment were raised in we become that that's why if our parents are jewish we're jewish if our parents are democrats we're democrats if our parents are this or that we are generally this or that so we learn it and then we get older many people don't know they can change this so many people fight it they fight whatever they are meaning money whatever let's go back to you are where your attention is so if you're fighting money where's your attention it's on not having money and therefore the universe says universe corresponds energetically you don't have money that's what you're putting out energetically we're going to bring a situation where you still don't have money and then you fight it even more let go go deeper meaning know yourself as soul now back to you are where your attention is of all the years working with my brother in law i find that to be one of the simplest and most powerful truisms you are where your attention is when you're feeling lonely you're feeling lonely because that's where your attention is grandma dies somebody pat that no one dies transitions over but guess what you're all sad but that's where your attention is so you might be thinking also i can't wait to go to the madonna concert tonight or what i don't know i don't even know why i picked madonna but i can't wait to go to the concert and you're all excited well that's where your attention is so our life is we have to master our attention and we are where we are in life because that's where attention is now to concretize this where your attention is khalil gibran said your words are simply drippings from the mind so whatever i'm speaking is coming out of my mind what do we speak we speak our lives into existence in the bible in the beginning there was the word now what is the word most people speak i am so broke money is so hard people don't like me i'm not this i'm not that i'm the f word i'm so fat i'm so fat i'm so fat we speak our lives no existence the most powerful thing we can do right here it won't cost anyone anything manage the self talk learn to identify and manage the self talk when you manage the self talk you're managing your attention when you manage your attention you change your reality oh my gosh it's.

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So beautiful and it makes so much sense and you don't even need me to tell you because you brought it back yourself and i can see why you you said that you know you are where your attention is for sure you mentioned i mean there's so many powerful things here so i'm going to skip to something else sure there's so many things to cover you mentioned that you healed your heart and you mentioned that is like such a staggering shocking gorgeous thing that your dog in my.

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Brain and my brain both i healed.

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Them both okay so let's talk about that how can we understand that we have the power to heal ourselves what does that mean and what does that.

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Look like can i be candid of course okay some people are touchier than others one of my students well many but one in particular said this when she was a guest on my podcast she's an md a very prominent md i've had harvard mds in my program and she said we live in a world of medical mediocrity let me go back yeah let me go back here so i used to teach persuasion and influence and there was this commercial that came on one time and i'm like that commercial is brilliant when it comes to marketing little boy sitting on a bed and he's probably five years old and the violin music comes on and rains pattering on the windows in the background and the voice all the voice says is moms cold and flu season is here when your little one gets sick you can depend upon children's tylenol okay kathy what's the first day of cold and flu season i don't know.

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Is it winter i don't know there's.

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Not one there's not one i was.

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Like am i like i don't know.

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The answer okay there's not one so what happens though are you a mom.

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Yeah three these are my kids yeah.

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That'S what i figured okay so you're a mom moms are hyper vigilant about keeping their kids well and healthy and everything so but when a mom hears that a mom doesn't think well really is cold and flu season here i don't know i mean i thought it started on january first but maybe it's starting on november fifteenth this year there is no cold and flu season so then what happens is that suggestion operative word suggestion has been planted then what mom does what a mother say to the kids once they buy the suggestion cold of loose season is here what do moms do to their kids get tylenol well hang on prior to that.

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Bundle up yeah they worry about them getting sick first and then what do.

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They say to the kids you could.

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Get sick it's flu season exactly and.

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Bundle up stay warm don't go outside put your coat on you're not supposed to have wet hair all these kind of things now the mom is planting a suggestion to the kids and then what happens the kids get sick and who can mom depend on children's tylenol okay so back to your question the industry i'm just going to just say it people are not going to like this the industry is set up to keep you sick because it's a capitalist society and i'm a capitalist but i would like to think i'm an ethical capitalist but it's we live in a capitalist society and it's all about profit and margins and when i was in the hospital i had to be airlifted out of cottonwood which is near sedona to phoenix that flight thank god that i had a blue cross blue shield and by the way i was completely i don't recall any of it after the stroke that bill was ninety nine thousand dollars that medical care that year was six hundred thousand dollars in bills for the heart failure and the stroke fortunately i had health insurance could i paid for it yes but fortunately i did not have to because of insurance now when i had the heart failure first there was two cardiologists the senior one and a junior one and the junior one came into me and she said to me well as a result of having heart failure these are going to be your lifetime conditions a b c d e in my mind i'm like bs bs bs bs bs not mine and it was it was a little rough physically but i had to manage myself talk manage my energy stay committed to my outcomes and stay self integral but i didn't buy any of it why because she was selling me a line of goods she was selling me a line of goods based upon her own culturalization of which is what she's taught in medical school why because take our pharmaceuticals take this take that make us rich we keep you sick we get rich and you're going to be dependent upon us now i want to add here i've been through the wringer on this if you need chronic care you get it i mean if you're in an accident you cut your finger off you're feeling chest pains you get your butt to a hospital what most people do is they depend upon western medicine for long term healing and factually there are no safe medications there are no safe pharmaceuticals they make people sicker so we live in a culture that has people dependent on the pharmaceuticals so i'm about to answer your question here so i recognized i go back to the factory the factory guess what meaning the universe mine created everything in the universe the doctors the hospitals me if the universe created all that and i created this from my own consciousness i can uncreate it uncreate it by going to the power and that is knowing myself as soul and that's not the practical answer so to speak but that's what's happening on the planet right now my brother yeah well let me add here the planet's waking up i know i hopefully i didn't if i answered if i didn't answer let me.

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Know no no you more than answered the question the last thing you said is the answer and everything you said up into it is really important information the last thing you said is the answer which is if consciousness is able to create this it can uncreate it that is gorgeous and everything else you said i mean my audience knows just because if they've been listening through the journey of life years ago we wound up moving to a house and we bought a house that we liked and turned out we were neighbors with bobby kennedy and cheryl hines we became really close friends of theirs and i've learned so much information about everything you just said and it's been a really wild cool journey that keeps me very curious and very interested and it's really healthy to start asking really really good questions about what is available to us and who we are and how much power there is within us to find our way back to healing it's gorgeous what you said and yeah i could go on and on but thank you for.

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Want to jump to a adjacent question just because you started the conversation in a way whether you know it or not the conversation around manifestation comes up all the time right and people throw around and people mean it in different ways if somebody comes to you and they want to have more capacity to manifest that which they want to experience what do you point them toward to allow them to design the life that they want and manifest what it is that they would like to experience beautiful.

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Question the way you ask it you said if somebody wants to manifest something what do you talk to them about to and you use the word allow.

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Okay yeah how do you help them to design that and to do that.

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Okay let me go here first is i just did a money i did it for free a money training called money wants me and that money needs.

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You i love those words money money.

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Needs you more than you need money let me go there for a moment i used to have a gold coin in my desk a friend owed me money he just gave it back to me i don't know where it is but i also had like five hundred bucks of silver coins on my desk i don't know where they are anyway people want money but money in and of itself i got a little money in my pocket people want this they want money but this money in and of itself i did a training in this room in my office and i taped this on the board for two weeks and every day as long as i never touched this this money sat on that board this money is of zero value until i give it value and use it i am the power money is being used by the power but what we as humans do we've been conditioned to do i give all of my power to the money and i become a slave to the money i'm chasing the money i want the money and the money controls me it makes me fearful it makes me happy it controls me backwards this money is useless without me using it this money needs me more than i need it but the cultural frame is i need money i need money i need money now where i was going i love.

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That oh my gosh i've never heard it said that way that was really.

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Really really powerful thank you so rodan you probably know rodan sculpture the thinker so we can look at the thinker but the thinker was created by a thinking being meaning rodin had consciousness coming through him and the consciousness coming through him created the thinker does that make sense so far all right okay so many of us will say like the statue of david michelangelo has said that he just carved away everything that wasn't david meaning it was already in there okay so people search for abundance outside of themselves but it's already in them and then you use the word allowing we shut it down by the context we created meaning i'm poor i'm poor i'm poor which is how i grew up that was my context and i shut down the flow that is already there because when rodan sculpted the thinker it was the consciousness that came through rodan that had his hands moving that had his mind moving that literally kept him alive to sculpt the rodin thinker so i always go back to the porsche again go back to the manufacturer not trying because i can't manifest anything myself first off i mean this respectful and listening i grew up in the baptist church i'm i work with a shaman it's the opposite of the baptist church okay and the baptist church i heard something in high school that i didn't agree with and now i understand it because the preacher had dogmatized it and he said i can do nothing without god but in christianity many people give that power to a deity meaning a named deity i understand now is that i can't do anything without consciousness consciousness is god so i don't manifest anything consciousness manifests everything it's just my job to tell consciousness what i desire and when i tell consciousness clearly what i desire it's consciousness's job to figure out how to deliver what we try to do is we try to figure out i want a brand new home okay let me figure it out it's not my job to figure it out it's the universe's job it's my job that a word again to allow and get out of the way and let the universe do its job so anyone listening get out of your way stop trying you don't manifest anything you literally attract by allowing so you have to look at what am i not doing what fears are preventing me from allowing because those fears are my obstacles to the money that that i want and i know i'm going to interview with you at some point i wanted to ask you this question is i find the reason most people won't allow is worthiness they don't believe they're worth it they've become conditioned and they've learned that they're not worth the abundance or if i have a lot of money people are going to think xyz about me and that's bad and i don't want to be kicked out of the tribe which is a survival mechanism so therefore i will just do without but then i'll complain about it and attract more.

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Of it yes and that is i believe very congruent i think that's most of what people hold onto which keeps them blocked and there's so much wisdom to what you're saying so tell this audience where they can buy your book and join you on your journey and learn from you where's the best yeah.

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Well first off i have something for free for you guys i created the program years ago and i initially called it the be do have challenge and it's a nine day program that literally teaches people what it means to be because being is the genesis of all creation you're going to create what you be whatever that is you can be angry in your marriage what are you creating or you can be loving in your marriage what are you creating everything comes from being but a good friend of mine named rich shefford a big marketer says give it a different name so i created the program but most people are stuck so we call it the get unstuck challenge i've sold thousands of these for ninety seven for your audience they're free so for all of your listeners because they're still here if they want to learn how to be at a fundamental level so they can do so they can have download the get unstuck challenge no charge go to jimfortin dot com abundant jimfortin dot com abundant they can download the program start working through it it's nine days we track our metrics we've got a ninety three percent completion on that program of course that's when people paid for it so this is free we don't tend to appreciate what it's free but it can change your life my podcast also top one tenth of one percent like yours on itunes you can find me on transform your life from the inside out on itun and the book believe it or not i don't know will be on amazon next month i believe right now where you're just using it for an internal marketing tool but if you want to connect with me i have a free community it's a membership site that's free it's app app dot jimforton dot com app a pp dot jimforton dot com it's free community there's no charge we drop content in there new training agendas things that we're doing it's all dropped in there and it's a great place to stay connected i.

[B]

Am so jazzed about this conversation i'm taking so much away you are so generous you poured so much of your heart and your soul into this and i really appreciate you so we will send everybody the links and i have no doubt that people are going to go and soak you up if they're not already doing so thank you it's.

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An honor thank you for allowing me to be here and i'm living my dharma you're living your dharma and hopefully in our time together something resonated of somebody in some way that they will start making their life better in the world a better place so thank you for everyone listening and sending you a big hug and thank you to you.

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Thank you so much that was so.

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Fun jim is amazing by the way we did a lightning round with him that was another ten minutes of juicy conversation so if you want to hear that on thursday's bonus episode you can sign up for our subscription at kathy heller dot com confetti okay here are the takeaways number one we can heal anything when we tap into consciousness and divine energy number two content is of no value if we can't integrate it we have to shift at a core identity level number three abundance is not external abundance is alignment be do have number four you are where your attention is when you manage your self talk you manage your attention when you manage your attention you change your reality number five you can create and uncreate from your consciousness by going to the power and knowing yourself as a soul number six money needs you more than you need money money is of zero value until you give it value you are the power and number seven it's not your job to figure it out your job is to allow and get out of the way and let the universe do its job thank you so much for being here we know you're very busy and we're truly grateful that you take the time to listen we have so many good episodes coming up so make sure that you follow the show on apple podcast spotify or wherever you're listening and if you want to support the show please leave a review and a rating here's a review that we got recently so sweet it says life changing i've been a student of kathy's for several years and started twenty twenty five joining her incredible program she has changed my life in so many ways kathy really cares about people she's the most generous resourceful and loving person i know i'm forever grateful to have found her as my mentor that is so nice thank you thank you so much for the lovely review we love reading these and if you leave a review thank you we might just read it on a future episode you guys are the best have a beautiful week stay safe i'll talk to you next week.