Sabrina Soto on How to Redesign Your Life

Summary

---

The Cathy Heller Podcast – Sabrina Soto on How to Redesign Your Life

Released: June 16, 2025
Host: Cathy Heller
Guest: Sabrina Soto

---

Episode Overview

This episode welcomes renowned interior designer, lifestyle expert, and TV host Sabrina Soto. Cathy and Sabrina dive deep into Sabrina's journey from feeling stuck and unfulfilled to creating a joyful, abundant, creative life—both personally and professionally. They explore the intersection of spirituality, manifestation, self-belief, abundance, overcoming scarcity, and the connection between our inner world and our physical environment. Sabrina shares her keys to manifesting possibility, breaking free from self-abandonment, and designing a home (and life) that reflects your truest self.

---

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Sabrina’s Origin Story – Manifesting a “Sparkly Life”

[08:00–12:00]

• Sabrina opens up about her past: a “comfortable but miserable” 9-to-5, doing all the “right” things but feeling uninspired.

• Catalyst: Watching The Secret changed everything, awakening her to the possibility of designing her destiny:

  “I just remember going, I don’t belong here... My soul knew [manifestation] even though nobody had ever introduced these concepts to me.” (Sabrina, 08:22)

• The very next day, she applied for a designer job she felt underqualified for—a leap of faith fueled by soul-level conviction.

• "I started acting as if I was already going to be on TV—working out, eating better, dressing for the job I wanted, even before the opportunity came." (Sabrina, 11:45)

2. The Power of Embodying a New Identity

[13:01–14:39]

• Sabrina didn’t just wish for a new life—she started behaving as her future self.

• Cathy emphasizes this as a frequency shift:

  “You changed the identity of who you believed you were. Once you told yourself the truth about who you really were, everything—the being of who you were—changed.” (Cathy, 13:10)

• Sabrina’s advice: support the “soil” (your self-worth) so the seeds of possibility can take root.

3. “Fake It Til You Make It”—and Then Educate Yourself

[09:31–10:41]

• Sabrina was honest about learning on the job and reading design books every night after filming.

  “Every night I went to Books A Million and got every book I could about design, DIY, carpentry… It’s not about faking it. It’s about, when you get the opportunity, doing whatever you have to do to be the best you can be.” (Sabrina, 09:44)

4. Authenticity Beats Perfection; Relatability Trumps “The Expert”

[18:34–20:56]

• Sabrina and Cathy discuss “imposter syndrome,” with Sabrina openly sharing her doubts and need to get certified even after her TV break.
• Viewers crave authenticity and vulnerability over expertise:

  “What we want is someone who’s like, ‘Not look at me, but come with me. I’m figuring this out.’” (Cathy, 19:13)

5. From Rock Bottom to Abundance: Breaking Patterns of Scarcity

[21:29–27:12]

• Sabrina reveals her backstory of homelessness at 17—and how that shaped her drive to create beauty out of nothing.
• She speaks candidly about residual scarcity mindset:

  “There are days I used to put together all the money I’d saved and...calculate how many months I could live without having to OnlyFans myself.” (Sabrina, 26:13)

• When she “gets in alignment”—caring for herself, what she consumes and who she’s around—abundance flows again.

6. The Inner Work: Coming Home to Yourself

[27:53–29:43]

• Cathy notes: “People hear ‘the answer’s inside you’ but don’t believe it—their version of reality feels fixed.”
• Sabrina’s counter: "When I get back into taking care of myself...everything—it’s like I’m a magnet.”
• Self-sabotage: We all have behaviors (food, drinking, gossip, clutter). It’s about noticing and making daily improvements—not perfection.

7. The Practice of Quiet, Gratitude, and Movement

[32:10–34:08]

• Sabrina credits daily gratitude journaling, meditation, and movement (for her, not just fitness: “it’s taking care of myself") as her foundational practices.

  "It’s in the quiet times that my whole life changes." (Sabrina, 32:40)

• On meditation, she prefers simply sitting in silence over any technique. Five minutes of intentional quiet can start the shift.

8. Social Circles, the Energy of Home, and Curating Space

[43:48–47:34]

• Audit relationships and daily influences—“Try to eliminate the noise of your life.”

• Sabrina on home design:

  “Your house should tell your story. I should walk around and see things that bring joy to your life. Your home holds your life—it has energy.” (Sabrina, 45:43 + 47:34)

• She rejects fleeting trends; instead, make your home support, carry, and comfort you—not perform for others.

9. Creativity, Flow, and The Power of Following Joy

[40:34–43:30]

• Flow is waking up excited to work on something; creative block is often overthinking or letting outside opinions pull you away.

  “When you have that intuitive, like, ‘Oh, I should go do this,’ follow up on that. Listen to the little pings in your heart.” (Sabrina, 41:16)

• Real-life example: Jonathan Adler called Barney’s on a whim—possibility happens when we follow the energy, not the outcome.

10. Manifestation Isn’t Linear—and TV's Not Immune to the Spiritual Shift

[36:57–39:35]

• Sabrina’s new show took 10 years of “no”—but holding her vision was key.

  “Ten MF-ing years of people saying ‘nobody wants that, too spiritual, too woo-woo’...and I knew in my heart it was going to change people’s lives.” (Sabrina, 36:57)

• The show now streams widely, earning messages from viewers whose lives are changed—proving the world is ready for more conscious content.

---

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On manifesting from nothing:
  “It goes to show that you can create anything you want out of nothing.”
  —Sabrina Soto (08:01)

• On authenticity:
  “No one actually wants [perfection]. What’s magnetizing is a person who is fully authentic… Not ‘look at me,’ but ‘come with me.’”
  —Cathy Heller (19:13)

• On the medicine in our mess:
  “Here I am at one point in my life, not even having a roof over my head, and now I am creating beautiful spaces for people. It’s been quite a ride.”
  —Sabrina Soto (20:56)

• On the key to abundance:
  “The universe has always rewarded me when I get in line. And when I mean get in line, I mean taking care of myself… When I really get in line with that and stop the BS—everything always works out.”
  —Sabrina Soto (27:12)

• On the simplicity and necessity of quiet:
  “People are so scared of being quiet because what they hear, the amount of painful self-critique… But listen to those things you’re saying to yourself and just start being aware.”
  —Sabrina Soto (34:47)

• On designing your home—and your life:
  “Your house should tell your story. It should not look like a magazine. Bring love and passion into your house because your home carries you… Act like your home is your best friend because it’ll hold you just as much as you hold it.”
  —Sabrina Soto (45:43; 47:34)

• On trusting the creative process:
  “It’s okay to figure it out while you’re doing it. Trust that, you know, one thing will lead to another.”
  —Sabrina Soto (42:40)

---

Timestamps for Key Segments

• 08:00 – Sabrina’s leap from “stuck” to manifesting her dreams
• 13:01 – Embodying a new, future identity
• 15:40 – The pivotal “staged homes” audition detail
• 18:34 – The struggle and gift of “imposter syndrome”
• 21:29 – Sabrina’s homelessness and real roots of her design passion
• 26:01 – Overcoming scarcity mindset and daily practices
• 29:43 – The power of returning “home” to self; self-sabotage
• 32:10 – Daily rituals: gratitude journal, meditation, movement
• 34:47 – Why silence and compassionate awareness are essential
• 36:57 – The ten-year journey to The Sabrina Soto Show
• 43:48 – Auditing your energy, relationships, and home
• 45:43 – Home as your story and self-support
• 52:03 – Example of design transforming a couple’s relationship
• 53:51 – Where to find Sabrina online and her shows/podcast

---

Episode Takeaways (from Maddie)

(paraphrased for clarity)

1. You can create anything from nothing.
2. Support the 'soil' of your dreams with self-belief and high frequency.
3. Forget perfection; make daily improvements to come home to yourself.
4. The power for change is already inside you—small steps create magic.
5. Stay in flow, listen for “pings” of intuition; your life changes in quiet.
6. It’s okay to figure things out as you go; trust that action leads to the next step.

---

Where to Find Sabrina Soto

• The Sabrina Soto Show: Streaming on Hulu, Disney+, Amazon Prime, Tubi, Roku, and The Design Network.
• Podcast: Redesigning Life with Sabrina Soto
• Instagram: @sabrinasoto (Sabrina reads all her DMs!)
• Amazon: Sabrina’s Mother-Child Gratitude Journal

---

Final Notes

This episode is a rich, real, and uplifting conversation about the intersection of manifestation, personal narrative, the spaces we inhabit, and the courageous return to self. Both Cathy and Sabrina model radical self-acceptance, humble self-belief, and creative resilience as the truest design for a fulfilling life.

---

Transcript

[Kathy Heller]

Okay, so I'm so excited because guess what? My paperback of Abundant Ever after is coming out on 11 11. How cool is that? Simon and Schuster said that they picked that date without Even realizing that 1111 is kind of that date that's like known for synchronicity and that's what the whole book is about. So I'm really excited. It would mean the world to me if you would pre order a paperback. And there's so many perks. If you pre order one copy of the paperback, you get to come, you get a virtual ticket to a live event we're doing that day. If you order three co, you can have a free in person ticket to the event we're doing in person in Los Angeles. If you order five books, five free order of paperback, you get to come sit in the front row and get some perks. And if you order 22 copies, just the first few that do this, I'm going to do a one on one coaching session with you. So go pre order the paperback. It would mean the world to me. And then you can just email helloathyheller.com and you can let us know if you did any of those things and we will get you all the insights and we'll get you the inside scoop on all those perks. I love you guys so much and thank you for supporting Abundant Ever After. It's been so cool to read your reviews and how well the book is doing and it did hit the USA Today bestseller list, which totally means the world to me. So thank you, thank you, thank you. Hey guys, it's Kathy Heller. Welcome back to Abundant Ever After. So speaking about being Abundant, I was going through something the last week and it was occurring to me that there is some way in which we make ourself wrong. When our soul tells us what's right for us. Sometimes we try to convince ourselves that we're asking for too much. Or maybe we feel that somehow it's selfish or wrong for us to have whatever desire it is that we have. And so I wrote something and I want to read this to you. You're allowed to indulge. You're allowed to say yes to beauty, to pleasure. You're allowed to order the extra guac. You're allowed to enjoy the ocean view suite, the outfit that makes you feel like magic. You're allowed to order dessert just because you're allowed to be surrounded by people who lift you higher to let life feel really good. Life was never meant to feel like some kind of punishment. It was meant to be Savored and celebrated and fully lived. And the moment you start allowing the joy in you begin to dissolve the guilt and break free from the old conditioning and show others what's possible. When we finally let it be that good, the more we allow things in, we become a magnet. And I just wanted to say this because I want to be reminding you to give yourself full permission to have whatever it is that you truly desire. And that's part of what we've been working on inside this abundant life. And it really is amazing how people feel like it's such audacity to like, want the things that you want when really there's a reason why you might want something to be better in your relationship. There's a reason why you might crave to have days that are slower or things that bring you joy or more beauty, right? It's like, it's not, who are you to have that. It's really old conditioning that tells us that, that we should feel guilty because maybe that wasn't modeled for us. And so I'm really here to keep reminding you that it's a gift to yourself, but also to others when you just fully allow yourself to not gaslight what it is that you really want. And you raise your standard to things in your life, things in your life will then meet the standard that you set. So I just wanted to say that to you. And if you want to be a part of this community, you know, I was thinking about this also the other day that I talk about how one of the best ways to raise your frequency is to meditate. And it's true, it's really helpful. But then I was talking to a good friend recently, and after talking to her for about 10 minutes, I got such clarity and I realized that one of the best ways to raise your vibration is to be around somebody who sees the best, wants the best for you. And that is just such like a transmission, right? And so what I love about our community is not only are we working to set our intentions in the morning and do affirmations, and I send everybody a one minute meditation for every day, which is easy enough to do, but it's also the people you're around. So if you want to join us in this abundant life, I'm saying it again because throughout the whole month of June, there's all these extras because it's my birthday, my birthday is actually this coming week. And so if you want to join us, go to kathyheller.com join and if you use the coupon code book, you actually get it for an even greater rate than it's already reduced, but you get it for even less. All right, well, you guys, today you're in for such a treat because the lovely Sabrina Soto is here. She is such a cool human being. She's an interior designer, a lifestyle expert, she's a TV host, and she's also a podcast host. You may have seen her on hgtv where she has been a feature designer and also hosted the High Low project. And she has her own show, the Sabrina Soto Show. She features expert driven conversations on home, food, organization, wellness, mindset, so much more. She's blending inspiration with with actionable takeaways. And she's had amazing guests on like Bobby Burke, Jason Momoa, Michael Beckwith, Eliza Schlesinger.

So it's a lot of fun and.

It'S available now on networks like Hulu and Amazon Prime. Also, you can listen to her podcast, Redesigning Life with Sabrina Soto, where she.

Explores personal growth, mindset shifts, and transformational.

Conversations with thought leaders and experts. It's all about embracing intentional living, personal empowerment, and meaningful change.

I had the honor of being a.

Guest on her podcast and it was such a blast. You can listen to that episode episode as well. Sabrina has an incredible story of how she manifested her incredible, sparkly, magical life. And it's not surprising that she's been able to create such a gorgeous reality. Not only is she an incredibly talented designer, but she's also full of heart and authenticity, which makes her such an amazing guide at helping others come home to themselves.

You're going to absolutely love her.

So without further ado, please welcome the wonderful Sabrina Soto.

Sabrina, I'm so happy that this finally worked out. I really, really love you. I'm so grateful that we became friends and I've wanted to have you on, and I love what you're doing, and.

[Sabrina Soto]

More than that, and I love what you're doing.

[Kathy Heller]

So sweet. And thank you for having me on your show. We'll also link to that. You can go back and listen. Let's just start with how the heck did you wind up getting to live this super creative, delicious, sparkly life? What is the arc of the story from where you were to where you are now? How did you wind up in this kind of Mary Poppins sidewalk photo picture where you're like, you have this life where you get to play with color and design and you are in love with a really cute guy and you're a good mom and you're just getting to do a lot of things that feel really Fun and fulfilling. So where were you and how did you get to do this very creative life that you have?

[Sabrina Soto]

Well, first of all, thank you for having me on. And secondly, for anybody listening, it's going to be. It's quite a ride. And goes to show that you can create anything you want out of nothing. And I remember Michael Beckwith said that on the Secret. And it's the Secret, really, that changed my life. I was living in a. Okay, like, life. I had was newly married. I was in a job that was like nine to five. I was making good money, but I was miserable, miserable in this job. I knew I didn't belong there. I remember sitting in Baja Fresh waiting for a burrito, and it was like the lunch rush. And I just remember going, I don't belong here. And not that I don't love Baja Fresh and I love their burritos. It was just like, I knew that I didn't belong in a lunch rush, that I want to do something creative. And I just felt stuck because I was making good money and I was, like, married to a good guy and we lived in a cute house, but I just felt stuck. And my girlfriend told me about the Secret. And Kathy, it was as if something turned on inside of me. Like, oh, my God, I forgot. Even though nobody had ever introduced these concepts to me, it was almost like I had known. Like, my soul knew them. That night I fell asleep, and I was convinced that I was going to change my life. The next morning, I couldn't. I thought there was a knock at the door, which there wasn't, and I couldn't go back to sleep. And I went on Craigslist, and there was a job.

[Kathy Heller]

Oh, my gosh, Somebody.

[Sabrina Soto]

They were looking for a designer of that TV credit. And I was not a designer who had TV credit. I had been on tv, like, doing host jobs here and there. And maybe I helped a few friends design, like, a few things.

[Kathy Heller]

And I had some friends photos.

[Sabrina Soto]

And I'm like, you know what? Eff it, Let me just send it. And that was my first HGTV job. Sixteen weeks later, I was on set filming my first HGTV show that I, by the way, had no business teaching people how to even paint their houses because I didn't know what I was doing. So every day I would show up freaked out because the producer would be like, okay, we're going to film you painting this room. I'm like, oh, my God. I don't really know how to paint. So every night I went to this store called Books A Million in dc. And I got every book I can get my hands on about design, diy, carpentry. And it was almost like I was in design university by myself every night. So it's not about the faking until you make it. Yes. We all have to do that. It's about when you get that opportunity. You better do whatever you have to to educate yourself to be the best that you can be for that opportunity.

[Kathy Heller]

Okay, let's just unpack because this is, like, the makings of, like, my favorite movie, and your life is like a movie. Okay? So I love that you bring us right to the very granular moment. You're in Baja Fresh, you're eating a burrito, and you're like, there is more to my destiny than this.

[Sabrina Soto]

Yeah.

[Kathy Heller]

And the next day, you go on Craigslist and you see this ad that they're looking to hire someone, and you don't realize that this is going to wind up putting you on HGTV and giving you your first crack at television.

[Sabrina Soto]

No idea.

[Kathy Heller]

Okay, so let's unpack this more. So this is the Matrix. This is the portal through the looking glass at Baja Fresh that everybody can access wherever their equivalent is of Baja Fresh in this moment. So what happened in that moment? You saw, like, a drone view of your life and what switched inside of you that you were willing to, like, believe in a greater possibility. What happened? Help me understand what's happening in you in that moment.

[Sabrina Soto]

It was when I watched the Secret, and one of every teacher was saying, like, you can manifest your dreams. So that next morning when I couldn't sleep, you have to understand. Yes, I set my Craigslist stuff out, but I didn't hear back for a long time. But what changed that next day was I started eating differently. I started working out. Like, I was getting ready to be on tv, which nobody was calling me, Kathy. But I just knew in my soul I was going to get an opportunity. I just didn't know where it was going to come. I believed that the universe had my back, but I had nothing to solidify that in my life. So even though, like, I was married at the time, my husband thought I was crazy. He's like, what are you doing? Why are you working out so much? I got, like, a cute outfit to wear for an audition. An audition which, by the way, I didn't even have yet. But it. I convinced myself that the universe was going to bring it one way or another. And so I just lived my life according to that rule. And I wasn't wrong, because then I finally got a call, and that stupid outfit he told me not to buy I wore to that audition. And I felt good in my body because I had been taking care of myself up until that point. So I remember being on that. Because back then, ellipticals were really hot. So I remember being on the elliptical listening to probably, like, Eminem and going like, I'm basically practicing for the opportunity.

[Kathy Heller]

Okay, so this is so good. Essentially, what you're saying is you changed the identity of who you believed you were.

[Sabrina Soto]

That's right.

[Kathy Heller]

Once you told yourself the truth about who you really were, all of your energy, the being of who you were, being changed, which made you then do things differently.

[Sabrina Soto]

Yes.

[Kathy Heller]

And had you had a dream to do design? Like, why did you answer that particular message on Craigslist?

[Sabrina Soto]

I always loved design and doing interiors. I remember there was this woman. I think her name was Samantha, Samantha Brown. Not. Oh, maybe it was. I don't remember. She had this PBS show that she used to do these crafts. And I remember watching and going, God, I wish I could have that job. But it's like when you feel that, God, I wish I could. Whatever. The universe goes. And then all of a sudden, it's like this little seed you just planted that is going to sprout if you support the soil. And that is, for me, it was. I needed to get myself, my body ready because my self esteem wasn't that high because I wasn't really taking care of myself. I wasn't in great shape. So I needed to make certain little changes in my life so that I did feel better about myself and my self esteem was higher. And that's what I think the kicker is, is, like, when you really believe in yourself and you take care of yourself and you live in that higher frequency, the universe will magnetize whatever it takes to bring your dreams to life.

[Kathy Heller]

That's so exciting. Okay, so the actual ad on Craigslist read, what did they specifically, what were they looking for?

[Sabrina Soto]

It said something like, they're looking for a designer who had TV experience for a new home renovation show. And another thing happened to. I remember that day like it was yesterday. It was almost like somebody took over my body. Because the man who. His name was Steve Edelman, he owned Edelman Productions, he was interviewing me and something told me to tell him that I staged homes with my mom, which.

[Kathy Heller]

Was, my God, I love that. So specific. It was so specific. Homes.

[Sabrina Soto]

And he goes, we're actually looking for a stager for another show. Now, had I not said those words, the show I was there to audition. Never even got greenlit. The show. When I said staging, that's the show that got greenlit. And Kathy, I don't even know why I told him that, because I think I'd staged like a One House with my mom. Like, it was wild.

[Kathy Heller]

Okay, that's even. There's so much juiciness to this, and I'm so grateful to you that you have the enthusiasm for the story, but you also have so much humility that you're like, oh, my God, let's unpack it. Because it's such a gift to give other people, to like, really take them through beat by beat. What was actually at play here? Because it's all your energy and it's all what you were willing to step into, right? Because so many people. It's the imposter syndrome of, like, who am I to go on this interview? Who am I to even submit if I don't have TV experience? And then there's this other version of you that says, but I am this powerful, incredibly lit up soul. And so that is what's gotta matter more. So I'm going for it anyway. And how many stories have I been told in my life or have I lived out that are exactly that, where your willingness to stand fully for what's possible meets a greater possibility that somebody else would have not even put themselves in the running for, because they would do the math on whatever version of themselves is actually the smallest version of them. And then they can't quite equate, how could I stand for what this person is asking me to be? It's like you're so much more than that. So then you mentioned this thing. The show that you actually were writing to him about initially doesn't even happen.

[Sabrina Soto]

And it doesn't even happen next.

[Kathy Heller]

What happens next?

[Sabrina Soto]

I am on the show. But here, let me tell you, the flip side to all of what happened is that the imposter syndrome came crashing down. I felt like a fraud. And then I actually went to go get my certification in design, and I remember a friend of mine's like, cut it out. You are creative. Or else people. People wouldn't love your show. You are more than just a designer. People are watching you because you're dynamic and you're funny and you have humility to you, and you keep the audience engaged. It's not about knowing the paint colors. Anyone can know the pink colors. So that took a while to get over that hump. And I still kind of feel like I have imposter syndrome. But I then have to remind myself that I am more than just the Martha Stewart that everybody thinks I am on television. And so I'm on set, I'm filming every day. And every night I would take myself out to dinner with a book and sit there and read. And I had these, like, folders, you know, those marble folders that used in school. And I have them just full and full of information. And every morning I used to come to the producer and be like, I want to talk about these five tips this week on the show. They're like, okay. And those tips, those little takeaway moments, I think is what made the show so, so successful, because the show is about selling your house. But whether or not you were selling your house, you could still take those tips. I was talking about to teach yourself how to change a light fixture by yourself or how to really stay in a cabinet. It wasn't just about selling the house. So I think that's where the magic was that I was teaching myself, but at the same time, I was teaching the audience.

[Kathy Heller]

I don't know if you know the story, you probably do because you guys are probably besties. But when the Property brothers were on my show, they told me a very similar story that, like, basically one of them wanted to do design and construction, the other one wanted to be an actor. He wasn't. Nothing really was going right. And they decided to submit it this, like, video of them talking about, like, flipping homes and no clue what they were doing. And it turned into this empire, right? And I think what is so important about what you just said is that human beings do not ask us to be perfect, right?

[Sabrina Soto]

They actually don't like it. They don't like.

[Kathy Heller]

No one actually wants that. What's magnetizing is a person who is fully authentic, right? And instead of saying, oh, my God, I have all the answers. Nobody wants to be preached to. Nobody wants the person who's the goody two shoes with all the information. What we want is someone who's like, not look at me, but come with me. Like, I'm figuring this out. And you are so relatable because you relate. You're relatable because you emote. And we are not logical beings that are needing people to get a perfect score. We're looking for people who we see ourselves in. And so this is so big, what you're saying right now, like, what does that even mean, Imposter syndrome? It's the fact that you are a quote unquote, not perfect imposter person that makes a perfect person.

[Sabrina Soto]

Well, it's funny. I was having this conversation with a friend the other day. They're reevaluating their life with alcohol, and they said that the friend that was having this conversation had said, you know, how bad alcohol was, but now he's never actually been drunk in his life. And I'm like, you can't take advice from somebody. I need to get advice from the person who not only got drunk, but texted their ex, woke up somewhere. They're like, where am I? Like, that's true.

[Kathy Heller]

It's 100% true.

[Sabrina Soto]

Somebody who's never lived it.

[Kathy Heller]

It's 100% true. You. You can't get home. You can't get directions home from someone who's never known your address.

[Sabrina Soto]

Right.

[Kathy Heller]

Like, I need you to have walked this path so that I actually understand that you fully get what this decision is for me at the core.

[Sabrina Soto]

Right.

[Kathy Heller]

You get what my struggle is, so. Oh, it's so good. Okay, so you're saying you're in this meeting. You mentioned the staging thing. Then you wind up on set, and you're shooting. So you literally got cast in a show from that meeting?

[Sabrina Soto]

Yeah, well, it was a few different meetings, so it's like, once then I had to go and really try to stage a house with that was really belonged to the owner of the production company. So there were different steps. But again, what's even more ironic about all of this is that when I was 17, we were homeless. So it's like, it's not lost on me that here I am at one point in my life, not even having a home or roof over my head, and now I am creating beautiful spaces for people. It's been. That's why I'm saying it's been quite a ride.

[Kathy Heller]

It's really unbelievably. It's magnificent because it really shows that our human capital is our capacity for belief. Like, how much can you muster in your belief in yourself and in the world? So when you were 17, you were homeless. Would you say more about that? What was that experience? Like, what does that mean?

[Sabrina Soto]

I was in high school. My parents split up. The mortgage was not paid, and it took a while, thank God. It took them about, I want to say, 11, 12 months for the bank to actually come and physically remove us from the house. But what happened during that time is I became best friends with the house. It was like my Wilson on the Castaway, and I would come home. I was a latchkey kid, and I'm like, okay, I'll take care of you if you take care of Me. And it created this entire passion for creating a beautiful house when you have nothing, when you have zero money. And when the house actually got taken away from us, my friends were shocked because they had no idea when they would come over that the house was in such disrepair because it looked organized and clean. And that's why I'm so good at these shows, because I know what it takes to create something out of nothing. And I do it still in my life every day. I mean, I love to clip a coupon. Don't get me. I don't care. If the person behind me has to wait 5 minutes, I will save 50 cents.

[Kathy Heller]

Totally brought tears to my eyes. That is so beautiful and so moving. And it makes so much sense that your sole assignment wound up being literally taking homes that were first just houses and making them homes. And it really is wild that, like, the medicine is. It's like, what does an antibiotic do? It gives you a little bit of the. A little bit of the struggle in order for your body to create the medicine.

[Sabrina Soto]

Right, right.

[Kathy Heller]

Those of us who've gone through certain things that feel really challenging, it winds up sometimes activating within us. What creates the answer for other people? That's very moving, powerful. Wow. So here you are, and you're now doing whatever that first initial show was, but you've done several different versions of shows. So that first one, when you met Mr. Edelman, what year was that?

[Sabrina Soto]

That was 2006.

[Kathy Heller]

Okay, so it's almost 20 years ago. So you do that. Yeah. That spins into what was next.

[Sabrina Soto]

It was spinning into more and more shows. I ended up decorating the White House for Christmas on our special. I became Target spokesperson for three years. I had my own baby and kids line. I had a bedding line at hsn. I mean, it just created this whole, you know, runaway train. That was really. It's still really fun. I just am now more specific in the opportunities that I want to take on, and I want to be more in the motivational space because I do believe that we have the opportunity to create the life that we want. And I constantly have struggle with my life still now and have to get back on the train. And have to get back on the train. I'm, you know, I still. It's not like I live this perfect life. I still second guess myself. I sabotage myself all the time. Sometimes I make mistakes, but I. I have to remind myself, like, get back on, you know, stop this behavior. And everybody's got their struggles, and for everyone, it's different. It's about not perfection. It's about reminding yourself who you are. And I forget all the time who I am.

[Kathy Heller]

Yeah, that's really well said because I think that that's very universal. You know what strikes me, and I'd love you to speak about this. So often people carry these beliefs that are hardwired around scarcity. And very often, you know, if somebody has gone through such a financial trauma like that as you did when you were a kid, it becomes something that is so ingrained that there is a whole, you know, sort of cobweb of things happening internally around scarcity. And yet you've created a tremendous amount of abundance in your life. And not just in being able to, you know, eat where you want, Baja Fresh or wherever else, but also just in abundance and really cool opportunities, really cool people. So how do you overcome that scarcity trauma and that wiring and what do you see in people when they're still holding onto that that you might suggest is helpful to rewire what we believe is possible in terms of money and financial well being?

[Sabrina Soto]

For me, I mean, I haven't overcome it because I do find myself slipping. There are days that I used to. I don't do this anymore, but I used to put together all the money I'd saved and then with a calculator, calculate how many days or like how many months or years I could live without having to like, only fans myself, you know.

[Kathy Heller]

Oh my God, you're so cute. Okay, guys, that's it. We've hit the moment. Here we go. My God.

[Sabrina Soto]

But I mean, I still struggle with it, but I have to stop. I have to believe again. The universe has always rewarded me when I get in line. And when I mean get in line, I mean, taking care of myself and what I ingest, what I'm eating, what I'm drinking, what I'm looking at, what I'm listening to, who I'm around. When I really get in line with that and stop the bs. Everything always works out. It always has and it always does. It's just there's sometimes when I feel a lack, I realize I have to calibrate myself because I've got the power inside of me. It's not anywhere else. And I notice it when I'm like, well, they're not calling me and they're not this. And it's like, girl, shut it up.

[Kathy Heller]

Okay, so see, that is really the secret answer. Key to the universe is it's inside of you. And people, they hear that. I mean, we've heard it since the wizard of Oz, click your heels like you are home. Your home is. You're the one with the map. But we don't really know that to be true. Like people really hold onto that the life they're living is because these are the cards that are being dealt. These are the opportunities available or not. This is what is. This is what isn't. Don't you get it? This is reality versus inside of you lives a force.

[Sabrina Soto]

Yes.

[Kathy Heller]

And change.

[Sabrina Soto]

Anything.

[Kathy Heller]

Anything. So how do you help people? How do you know that? How did you learn that? And what does that mean? That you can access that force within yourself. When people feel like, like you said, maybe they forgot. They don't know that that's in them.

[Sabrina Soto]

I know it for sure because I've seen it time and time again in my own life. Both sides. I see when I get out of line, how things don't work out for me. And I have seen when I do get, you know, back into taking care of myself, that everything, it's like I'm a magnet. And I think that everyone has their self sabotage behaviors. Whether it be food, drinking, porn, gambling, shopping, whatever. Everyone's got their thing. And if you don't have one, you're a liar. Because we all do. And it's about getting yourself into a mindset. I'm not asking you to be perfect, but just making improvements every day of your life. To get back home. To get back home to yourself. And sometimes I notice that it's the quiet times turning off the phone really do. Just. Even if it's five minutes of me just sitting in either nature or I don't even care if it's my bedroom and just being quiet so that I can hear myself. And when I say myself, it's really. I believe I'm talking to the universe. I get downloaded information sometimes.

[Kathy Heller]

Sometimes.

[Sabrina Soto]

But there are many days because I'm a mom and I'm busy, that I just don't even give myself that gift. So it's still a learning curve to me. But I truly know whoever is listening to this has the power within them to completely change their life. And it doesn't take a long time. The universe is so fast and you'd be so shocked. The magic that can happen when you start taking little baby steps.

[Kathy Heller]

Ah, you're such an incredible teacher of this. Because it is you. Like there are people who say things, but they haven't yet embodied them. You are literally rainbow bright. Like you are in the current of this. This is everything that you imprint into the world. Your signature of you is this. And that is such an incredible May. You only know what oxygen you give the world just being you, because it is so Tinkerbell. And it's. It's why you make beautiful spaces, because the energy is so beautiful. You're such a ray of light. So let me ask you this because you just.

[Sabrina Soto]

First of all, I love you for saying that and know that I've been through it, too. This is also somebody who's been in very abusive relationships. I'm divorced. You know, I was a single mom for a long time. I went. I've been through it, too. This hasn't been a Tinkerbell life.

[Kathy Heller]

But that is exactly why, as we said before, you really integrated all of this, because it's not at a superficial level. Like you've literally walked the dark night of the soul to where what's coming out of you is you at this point. Like, you've had to fully, like, go deep inside. And so that was going to be my next question, which is that you mentioned that within you. Within you. What's within you? I feel like so much of the time people are spending in their life is not meeting with themselves at all. Like, whether we're looking and scrolling a phone or we're thinking about all the ways that people have made suggestions about who we should be or what's next or how busy we are, there's very little time that's quiet time for us to really come home to ourselves in the deepest way and to hear the whispers of our soul. And so what is it that you do currently? Or what is it that you've done that actually made you available to go within? What does that even mean to you? What is a practice or what is a moment that reflects how you make any space for that?

[Sabrina Soto]

I am like a guinea pig of life and that my mom sort of makes fun of me because I've done it all. I mean, I spent. I paid 121 for some shaman in San Bernardino to spit vodka on my back and hit me with basil. To going to the Hoffman Institute, to doing psilocybin with a shaman. I mean, I have tried everything. So my mom's like, how do you even know what works? You do everything. I'm like, who cares? Who cares what works?

[Kathy Heller]

Just like me. Yeah.

[Sabrina Soto]

But I. The smallest thing I do is a gratitude journal. I actually created a Mother child gratitude journal that's on Amazon because I found that just starting the day off writing three to five things I'm grateful for starts my day off right. That's the Smallest thing I could do. The biggest thing I think I do is really meditating. I get my. All of my ideas when I really meditate. And then movement, movement. And the movement is for me, not just for working out and looking good, which, by the way, of course, we all want to. It's more of, again, just the taking care of myself. But it's in the quiet times that my whole life changes. And in those quiet times, sometimes I hear my inner, you know, guides or whoever you want to call them, be like, girl, stop listening to those crime podcasts. Like, oh, my God, it's so hilarious.

[Kathy Heller]

How, like, the number one shows are all about murder. And then listens to them women. And then women are like, why am I so stressed out? Like, you're, like, listening to, like, true crime all day. Like, oh, my nervous system is a little distracted. What are you doing? But I get it. It's. You know, which one I really liked. I mean, I'm not alone in this, but I love both seasons of Dead to Me. I was just like, I could watch that show all.

[Sabrina Soto]

Okay, I don't want. You want to write it down because I can't get to another one.

[Kathy Heller]

Have you not seen that show with Christina? No. Oh, my God.

[Sabrina Soto]

I don't watch television.

[Kathy Heller]

No, no, no, no. This is like must see tv. Like, okay, okay, okay. It's the best. Okay. You can thank me later. Okay. But anyway, we digress. So what meditation do you do? You said meditation. Which one? What kind like of meditation? What does it look like to you?

[Sabrina Soto]

I learned how to do transcendental meditation, which is great, except it's mantra based. And I noticed that it's just keeping my mind sort of busy. What I like is just quiet. Just legitimately just sitting in quietness and just being still.

[Kathy Heller]

Yep.

[Sabrina Soto]

Which doesn't take anything. Doesn't take any money. You don't even have to sit in a fancy pillow if you don't want to. I don't care if you're sitting in your car. It's just the quiet. And sometimes for five minutes, sometimes I'll go a little bit early to a yoga class and I'll sit in the room. And it's like, okay, now I'm forced to, like, sit here and be quiet.

[Kathy Heller]

Okay. So you know what's interesting is that I don't remember the exact data around this, but people are so scared of being quiet because what they hear, the amount of painful self critique, they would rather, you know, walk over colds and sit quietly in a room alone.

[Sabrina Soto]

I am nodding My head, that is so true. And that's okay because listen to those things you are saying to yourself and just start being aware of the negative self talk and just little by little start improving those things you think are bad about yourself so that you don't. It's. We all have negative self talk, but if you're calling yourself lazy and you're doing that all the time, then maybe try moving for five minutes that day. You know, just start talking back and being aware of that criticism. But I mean the goal is for us to not talk to ourselves like that because we are our worst critics. And that's also a problem.

[Kathy Heller]

It's really beautiful that you can just make space for it. And it really is so interesting. I mean, for me, I think what set me free is the understanding that I'm not any of that. Like what I really am is my soul, right? And my soul is like anybody's soul. It's just like an extension of God and pure light. And when you really, really know thyself, you understand that that is what you really are, who you were since conception. And it is pretty intimidating to sit and listen for a moment to what the thoughts are. But when you lean in and try to maybe do what you just said, which is like bring some compassion to it, maybe there's some awareness and over time, hopefully you just by being aware maybe stop the onslaught of yeah, you're.

[Sabrina Soto]

Not supposed to be perfect. And it's so hard now with social media and everybody using these freaking filters and all this just nonsense that we assume that everyone's living this best life and our life sucks. And it's like these people, those are highlight reels. No one is perfect. Nobody. And like you're not supposed to live up to this ideal notion, like magazine worth life. It's not real right now.

[Kathy Heller]

You have so much fun stuff going on. You recently released a new show. Tell us about the new show and why that feels so exciting and so fun.

[Sabrina Soto]

I have been trying to make this show for ten years. Ten mf ing years of me trying to make this show, of people saying, nobody wants to listen to that, nobody wants to hear that. Too spiritual, Too woo woo. People just wanna see before and afters. And I knew in my heart that there was the content was going to be so good, that it was going to change people's lives. And I never gave up. And I can't believe that we finally got it made. It's called the Sabrina Soto Show. I got to merge all the things I'm passionate about. Home Wellness, mindset, spirituality, food. We had Chef Like Cat Cora, Chef Marcella, all of the most amazing people. Michael Beckwith was on it, Lewis Howes, Danny Mor. So it was every single segment I love in my life, even fashion segments, but there's not one episode that you'll watch, and I'm promising who's ever listening to this, there's not an episode that you're not going to have some takeaway from. Each episode, you'll learn something that will make your life a little bit better. And it's also entertaining and fun and bright and deep as well.

[Kathy Heller]

And where can they watch it?

[Sabrina Soto]

It's on Hulu Disney, Amazon Prime, Tubi Roku, the Design Network.

[Kathy Heller]

My gosh. And what has the response been from people?

[Sabrina Soto]

So, I mean, honestly, Kathy, I cry sometimes because when I get DMs from women especially, and men telling me that it changed their life in one way, either learning how to meditate, learning how to work out the house, a fun recipe, the conversation with Daniel Morrell, knowing what breath work is because we did breath work on the show. And by the way, the breath work segment was my ex on one side of me and my fiance on the other side of me. So nobody even knew that. But that was Dani's idea. So it was a lot of powerful segments, but such a fun, fun show. So please watch it and DM me if you do, because I love to read them.

[Kathy Heller]

There's so much progress in the fact that you got TV to make that, because that's really what we need to be looking and watching and taking in. And it's really cutting edge that you were able to pull that off. And who better than you? Because you're so lovable and you're so loving and you're so inspired and you're so curious. And so I really. It makes perfect sense. And I hope that that's the beginning of. Of you taking us on, like, so many journeys through the way you see the world and the way that you nourish yourself. Because it's through that doorway that so many people are going to cross their own ocean. Because you've already crossed, right? And you're crossing continuously.

[Sabrina Soto]

Well, that's how I feel. I tell everybody. I'm just. I'm on this road of life with you. I just happen be one exit ahead. And I'm going to tell you what the best rest stops are, where to get off and get that burrito and when to just keep going. And, you know, I'll. I'll let you know where the best Parts to stop are because I've done it all.

[Kathy Heller]

It's totally true. You are that person to say, I'm one. I'm just one exit ahead. And let me help you. When you are in creative mode, because so much of your work is creative. I know that there are so many people that listen to the show who. Who naturally are inclined, and they have certain gifts, right? Whether they're wanting to write or paint, or they're wanting to create a business or floral arranging or whatever it is. And then there is sometimes this, like, huge block, like a real impediment, because as soon as they begin to do something that feels fun, this critique comes in and it kind of moves them away from flow. How do you articulate what flow state feels like to you? And what would be your suggestion to help people get into some creative flow?

[Sabrina Soto]

That is such a great question, because I just felt this the other day. When you are doing something and you can't, like, it's so invigorating to you that you want to wake up early to do it, or you kind of have the energy to even stay up late on whether it's your computer or a canvas or whatever it is, that's flow. And do not let the people in your life. Or maybe like, Google, let's say you want to make ceramics, but then you Google, how much can I make doing ceramics a year? And then it's like, $10,000. No, like, don't do that. Like, stay in flow. Be quiet a little bit to figure out where the ideas can come from, where you could. And then all of a sudden, you're going to be like, oh, I should call Kathy, because I think she knows somebody who owns, like, a little shop. They will come to you. So you stay in flow. Keep yourself grounded. And then when you have that intuitive, like, oh, I should go do this, or do follow up on that, don't listen to the people in your life that don't believe your ceramics are good. Or if you feel it, keep it going. And then listen to the little, I call them pings that come into your heart.

[Kathy Heller]

It's so good. I don't know if you know Jonathan Adler's story, but you guys probably know each other as people. Jonathan Adler.

[Sabrina Soto]

I know, of course, who he is. Yeah.

[Kathy Heller]

But I remember having him on our show early on, when we just started eight years ago, and he, of course, started in ceramics. And the story is so cool because he had gotten fired from, like, every job. Anyway, long story short, somebody said to him, when was the last time you liked something you did. And he's like, I don't know. I did ceramics when I was in, like, seventh grade. And he started making some pieces, not knowing what or how the market would bear. And he just, like, called up Barney's and was like, would you take a look at these? And they were like, these are good, but you have the wrong glaze. Anyway, he changed the glaze. He got into Barney's. The rest is history. But we make it so much harder than it needs to be.

[Sabrina Soto]

That's right.

[Kathy Heller]

We think that before we even begin to, like, throw paint on the canvas, we need to have all of the things laid out, and we really, really don't.

[Sabrina Soto]

I promise you, you don't. If you didn't just listen to my story. I didn't even know how to paint a room. And by the way, if anybody could get episode one of Get It Sold on hgtv, watch it. You'll see when I'm rolling that paint roller. I had no idea what I was doing. My point is, I. It's okay to figure it out while you're doing it and just trust that, you know, one thing will lead to another. And just even with this show, it was like one call made to another call. And then a friend of mine told me, oh, you should have so. And so on. And you, Kathy, like, I was introduced to you because I was on a walk with a friend who's like, I'm reading this book. And then I read your book, and then I dmed you on a hike thinking, like, she's never gonna respond to me, but you'll. You are. And I just shocked when you did respond to me. And now we're friends. It's like. You never know. Amazing take.

[Kathy Heller]

It's amazing, like you said, how fast the universe is and how quickly it's responding to your being willing for the miracle. It's like, if you're available for it, that's how quickly it shows up. If you're really not in doubt and you're really available for it, I think that's such an incredible takeaway.

[Sabrina Soto]

And get rid of the noise. Get rid of the noise of your life, whoever it could be. Your best friend who's secretly jealous of you to the food that you doesn't make you feel good to whatever. Try to eliminate the noise of your life.

[Kathy Heller]

Wow, that's big, right? Because we don't realize that so many people around us are keeping us from that ascending because they don't see it for themselves. And so you don't even Realize how you feel disloyal if you step out of that. Or they might be taking your light, right. And they telling it to you for your own good. And really it's like diminishing what you could be creating. That's really powerful. And it's just sometimes time to audit. It's sometimes time to audit the people that you spend time with and really be precise as far as like the tangible stuff. What are you loving right now? What are your favorite styles in terms of like home aesthetic? I'm just curious, are you like a farmhouse person? Are you like a Cape Cod person? Are you a minimalist? Like, what do you personally love? And I'm just curious.

[Sabrina Soto]

I'm Cuban, so both my parents are from Cuba, so I love color, but I still have the big pieces neutral. I do love that. Now people are inviting more warmth into their interior. So we're kind of getting away from all the grays and we're liking creams and ivories and the browns and the walnuts and more organic shapes. Because I do love a cozy feeling of a house. I don't like trends though, because I feel like your house should tell your story. Your house should not look like a magazine. It should. I should walk around and be able to see things that you've collected or things that bring joy to your life. But I do love that people are creating more of a storybook with their homes than before of just having everything gray and white.

[Kathy Heller]

First of all, I love that you said that. I love that our audience is like kind of hearing you talk about being Cuban and the color. But I also really love what you just said about it should tell your story. Because I do think it's weird when you go into a house and it looks beautiful but you feel like the person is sort of outside in. It's like somebody hired a designer who told them to do a certain kind of, you know, cream wall or you know, whatever the. What's the new thing they do on these walls? The lime wash. Lime wash, yeah. Gorgeous. It's gorgeous. But then you walk through the house and you're like, I don't see this person in the house. I just see a house that like is a, you know, somebody copy pasted the perfect new. It's like a set. It's like they're living in a set.

[Sabrina Soto]

Right?

[Kathy Heller]

How do you.

[Sabrina Soto]

Yeah, don't listen to those people. It like I get people dming. I really love this color pink. But my mother in law thinks and I'm like, is that going to make you Happy, the pink room. Paint it. Paint it, because you need to wake up to that every morning. And you. It's what invigorates you. And I. I mean, for me, it's the smallest little thing. It's so silly, Kathy, but I have these really cozy slippers.

[Kathy Heller]

Oh, my God.

[Sabrina Soto]

I have them on right now. Hold on. Okay.

[Kathy Heller]

Those are pretty cozy slippers.

[Sabrina Soto]

And I have them always at my front door. So when I get in it, my nervous system gets reset immediately in my front door with coziness. And it's those small little things. I don't care if it's a throw pillow. I don't care if it's a framed photo of your dog. Bring love and passion into your house because your home carries you. Your home holds your life and you need to give it. It has energy. So act like your home is your best friend because it'll hold you just as much as you hold it.

[Kathy Heller]

It's so beautiful what you're saying. And it goes back to like, it's not our job to perform. I mean, when you really think about it, it's kind of soul crushing to think that even at the level of our own home, we wouldn't do what feels good.

[Sabrina Soto]

We abandon ourselves.

[Kathy Heller]

What the heck? How that. How is that even in the conversation? Shouldn't this be the environment that just makes you feel warm? Whether it's, you know, I have a rocking chair that was my grandmother's, and it's like I've just continued to take it with me from house to house because when I see it, it just makes me feel like love is in the room, you know? So it is really fascinating the level at which we self abandon, that we don't even notice anymore that we're willing to create our own home around what would feel like it's in fashion versus what makes us feel cozy.

[Sabrina Soto]

I can do an entire podcast about that in itself, because we abandon ourselves sometimes of doing things that are quote unquote chic or on trend. But we also abandon ourselves sometimes with clutter and holding onto things that no longer serve us. Closets that you can't get even get into because there's so much stuff. It kind of goes both ways. I mean, I'm writing about that now of like, your home should really support your lifestyle and can actually improve how you manifest if you take care of it.

[Kathy Heller]

Say more about that. Do you feel like you're right now talking about, like, feng shui, or do you feel like you're saying something deeper?

[Sabrina Soto]

It's not a feng Shui at all. I can walk into people's homes, and because I've been doing this for so long, I could tell something's going on with this part of her life or whatever. Only because, for instance, if the house is immaculate, okay, but you open up every drawer and closet, it's, like, in shambles usually. That's telling me that you care more about how people perceive you than how you feel about yourself, because it's the enclosed spaces that are a mess. And that's usually if somebody's dealing with some sort of.

[Kathy Heller]

What do you think about the size of a home? Because I was just speaking to a friend about this, and I was telling her that for whatever the reason, what's coming through to me is that I want a smaller house. And I said, you think that's me not being able to receive sort of the life that I have? And she said, no. There's literally data around how human beings feel better. Your nervous system feels better if the house is a certain size. And if it's bigger than that. What do you know about that?

[Sabrina Soto]

Well, okay, so it depends. Everyone, again, is different. There's no one size fits all. But if the vastness, like, if the house is so big that it's overwhelming you to take care of that home, that's actually hurting your nervous system. Now, if you have a staff and you've got, you know, a butler on every.

[Kathy Heller]

Oh, my God.

[Sabrina Soto]

Well, that's different. But I'm saying, if you have a house that's so big and it's maybe even like, it doesn't feel cozier, home, that's not great for you. It's how you feel when you walk into your house. But there's some people that love having the west wing and the east wing and whatever, and maybe they have a bigger family. It really depends on your heart, your soul, where you want to be. I like smaller spaces because it's easier for me to maintain. But it's also. I like the coziness of it, and I like the acoustics of a more cozy house.

[Kathy Heller]

What do you think? Just. And this is just anecdotal, but what do you think is your favorite size house that you've. If you could be like. That is like perfection.

[Sabrina Soto]

I mean, I've lived in a studio apartment that I freaking loved with a Murphy bed that I didn't even have to make the bed. I just slammed it. But I live in a house now that I. Most people consider small. I think this is perfect. But it's only me and Olivia. When I get married at the end of the year. That may change. I think it always changes with your lifestyle and your needs.

[Kathy Heller]

That makes sense.

Just one quick design thing. What is something you designed over the course of your. Your career that you just is one of your favorites? Is there a kitchen? Is there a front porch? Is there a garden? Like, what's something that comes to mind that is just, like, truly, like, was such a highlight for you because of how it felt or because you got to be very specific with it or you feel like it's very singular.

[Sabrina Soto]

I love the house that I've created for Olivia and myself. I love this house. But what comes to mind was a home I did last year. It was a husband and wife. They hadn't slept together in six months because she had a lot of clutter. She was over shopping. The room was so cluttered that she couldn't even. He didn't want to sleep in it because it gave him a lot of stress. And I came in, we got through a lot of stuff. We donate a lot of stuff. And they. She still DMS me all the time. Like, you've changed my life. And I think that design should do that. It should support you, and it should support the people that live in there. And it could. It does change people's lives because it changes the way you live.

[Kathy Heller]

Oh, my God. It's so deep, what you're saying about. I thought you were going to say, oh, there was this, like, pink armoire, and you were talking about it from such a deep place of recreating a space so that we can really make it a habitat. Yeah. Like, that's really what you're talking about, which is so good and so much the reason why everybody wants to keep hearing everything that you have to say and the ways that you look at the world. And you also have a podcast and people should find you there.

[Sabrina Soto]

It's called Redesigning Life. And you are on it, too. Thank goodness. I mean, I love you. I love you so much, Kathy Hiller. And I love your book and I love your podcast, by the way, your episode with Mike Dooley, Chef's Kiss.

[Kathy Heller]

I know. That was. He's great.

[Sabrina Soto]

That was a great one.

[Kathy Heller]

He's so good. I love how he says the universe is not net neutral, it's net positive. Like, it's just amazing. Tell everybody where is the best place for them to begin the journey if they want to find you and follow along. Should they go to the show? Should they go to your Instagram?

[Sabrina Soto]

Where do you want to send them to My Instagram. Please watch the show again. It's everywhere you can stream. I mean, I don't think there's one streamer that doesn't have it available. It's called the Serena Soto Show. Please watch and please DM me. I really do read my DMs, and I'm lucky enough I haven't gotten anything raunchy yet, so I still read all of my DMs.

[Kathy Heller]

Oh my God. This was just so much fun and I feel like, feel so filled up. I feel like I just had a IV drip of every vitamin and nutrient just being in your company. It's such a blessing to be in your company.

[Sabrina Soto]

You're the best. Thank you so much for having me.

[Kathy Heller]

That was so much fun.

And by the way, we also did a quick lightning round of questions with Sabrina.

You can hear those if you subscribe.

To our podcast [e-mail] confetti and since Maddie is such a pro, we're going to have her share with you the takeaways.

[Maddie]

Number one. You can create anything you want out of nothing.

[Kathy Heller]

Number two, when you feel your soul's desire, that seed you planted is going to sprout. If you support the soil, Believe in yourself, take care of yourself and live.

In that higher frequency.

The universe will magnetize whatever it takes to bring your dreams to life.

[Maddie]

Number three, it's not about perfection. It's about reminding yourself who you are and making improvements every day to get back home to yourself.

[Kathy Heller]

Number four.

You have the power within you to completely change your life. The universe is so fast. You'll be so shocked by the magic.

That can happen when you start taking little baby steps.

[Maddie]

Number five. Stay in the flow. Listen to the little pings that come into your heart. It's in the quiet times that your whole life changes.

[Kathy Heller]

Number six.

It's okay to figure it out while you're doing it. Trust that one thing will lead to another. Take a chance.

[Maddie]

Thank you so much for listening. I know you've got a ton of things to do, so I really appreciate that you take the time to be here. We have great episodes on the way, so be sure to follow us on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to. And if you love the show, please leave a rating and a review. Here's recent review that I love.

[Kathy Heller]

I love Kathy. I'm inspired by Kathy. She came into this world through contrasts and so did I. She has a gift of sharing stories that are humorous and relatable that I love. Thank you so much, Kathy, for reminding me to follow the breadcrumbs.

[Maddie]

This is so sweet. Thank you so much for the reveal. You we love featuring your reviews. So leave a review and if you haven't already and you might hear it on a future episode. I love you so much.

[Kathy Heller]

You guys are the best.

I hope you have an amazing week and I'll talk to you soon.