What My Daughters Taught Me About Life, Energy & Happiness

Summary

Podcast Summary: Everything Is Energy with Cathy Heller

Episode: What My Daughters Taught Me About Life, Energy & Happiness
Air Date: May 18, 2026
Host: Cathy Heller
Guests: Cathy’s daughters – Gabrielle, Eliza, and Madeline

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Episode Overview

In this heartwarming, candid, and often hilarious episode, Cathy Heller brings her three daughters onto the mic for their first family roundtable. Together, they explore themes central to the podcast—energy, manifestation, self-worth, spirituality, and the practical side of parenting and growing up in a fast-paced, social-media world. The result is an unfiltered look at life in the Heller household, complete with sibling banter, confessions, and real talk about dreams, relationships, and happiness.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. What Does Mom Do? (01:20–01:53)

• Cathy asks her daughters to describe what she does for work.
• The girls struggle to define her job: “I actually don’t know” (Eliza).
• They settle on “spiritual Jewish podcast” and “spiritual people.”
• Insight: Even those closest to us may not grasp the nuances of our spiritual or creative work.

2. Manifestation, Energy & The Power of Perspective (00:00–04:32)

• Manifestation is discussed through real family stories, like missing a train that ends up derailing (“Because I missed it by a minute, I took an Uber and I did make it to speak in San Diego.” – Cathy, 04:32).
• Kids’ advice for manifesting:
  • “If they want something, they can get it, but don’t push it.” (Gabrielle, 02:01)
  • “If you’re so negative, why do you think anything good would happen to you?” (Eliza, 04:51)
• Big Idea: Your energy and outlook directly influence your reality; negativity begets more negative outcomes.

3. Types of People & Energy We Gravitate Toward (06:04–07:01)

• The girls discuss their favorite people—tennis teachers, dentists—attributing their likability to “bright and bubbly” energy and security.
• “You like people who come in, are a vibe, and they’re happy... Anyone who’s clingy or needy, you’re just like, no.” (Cathy, 06:46)

4. The Role of Social Media & Technology (10:41–11:48)

• Mixed feelings:
  • Phones provide connection (“it’s a good thing to, like, be in touch with people” – Eliza, 10:48).
  • Downsides noted: FOMO, bullying, shorter attention spans.
  • “I use social media, but I don’t like it... if no one had it, I’d be happier." (Eliza, 11:41)

5. School, Pressure & Self-Expression (11:50–12:23)

• Cathy’s unconventional approach:
  • “I want you to just be cool with people, but I feel like I’m not interested in all these subjects when we’re not in school.” (Cathy, 12:01)
  • School seen as unnecessarily stressful.
• Theme: Authenticity and self-expression prioritized over academic achievement.

6. Family Memories: LA Fires & Sibling Dynamics (12:23–16:33)

• Raw recollections of being evacuated from wildfires (“we grabbed whatever we could in like two minutes,” Eliza, 12:52).
• Honest talk about sibling relationships: fighting over clothes, boundaries, chaos, and togetherness.
• Memorable moment: “Gabby turns into, like, actual, like, a ferocious beast whenever someone goes near her closet.” (Madeline, 15:58)

7. Honesty About Imperfections (16:34–18:19)

• The family lists their “not best” qualities:
  • Messy rooms and kitchens.
  • “You don’t wash off your makeup.” (Eliza, 17:35)
  • “I have no patience.” (Cathy, 17:54)
• Emphasis on not pretending to “have it all together”—embracing authenticity.

8. Money, Generosity & Values (18:35–19:30)

• Cathy’s attitude toward finances:
  • “What do I always say? God is my CFO.” (Kathy, 19:05)
  • The girls appreciate her generosity, sometimes seeing it as “too much.”
• Insight: Money is treated as a tool for convenience, generosity, and abundance, rather than stress.

9. Parenting, Marriage & Life Design (20:32–21:55)

• Discussion of Cathy and her husband living in separate houses but co-parenting well.
• The girls reflect on how this “unconventional” arrangement works for them.
• Future aspirations: careers, motherhood, independence, and making life choices without pressure to work traditionally.

10. The Podcast's Impact on Family Life (22:20–24:00)

• The podcast has allowed Cathy to design a flexible, family-centered career.
• “I set the intention to have a career where I could mostly be with you guys and work a little bit, but mostly be with you. And I have something where I get to do that.” (Cathy, 22:56)

11. Dreams & Future Ambitions (24:06–25:30)

• Daughters share future dreams:
  • Eliza: interior design.
  • Gabrielle: have a store, maybe a podcast, “little job” in high school.
  • Madeline: her own business, something fun on the side.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Manifestation:
  “Everything is energy. Don’t feel guilty for anyone. They’re making their own choices.” (Gabrielle, 00:09)
• On Parenting:
  “You like people who come in... are a vibe and they’re happy and they’re there to bring good energy.” (Kathy, 06:46)
• On Money:
  “What do I always say? God is my CFO.” (Kathy, 19:05)
• On Self-Acceptance:
  “Let’s tell people who are listening what makes us normal... things that people might be surprised [by].” (Kathy, 16:34)
• On Destiny:
  “There’s like a destiny unfolding, and we’ll see.” (Kathy, 22:13)
• On Energy:
  “Be responsible for your energy you bring into the room. Everything is energy.” (Maddie’s Takeaway, 28:19)

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Memorable Segments & Timestamps

• 01:20 – Daughters try to define Cathy’s job
• 02:33 – Eliza’s school application story & "everything happens for you"
• 04:32 – San Diego train story, missed by fate
• 06:19 – What makes someone likable: energy, security, “bubbly”
• 08:18 – Maddie’s bedtime prayers and faith in God
• 10:41 – Social media struggles and the double-edged sword of technology
• 12:23 – Reflections on the LA wildfire evacuation
• 15:58 – Sibling “closet” drama and fights
• 17:35 – Cathy’s makeup confession (“I never wash it off”)
• 19:05 – “God is my CFO,” and using money for happiness and ease
• 22:56 – The impact of the podcast on Cathy’s work and motherhood balance
• 24:06 – Daughters express future dreams and job aspirations
• 28:19 – Maddie’s takeaways and episode wrap-up

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Core Takeaways (28:19)

Summed up by Maddie:

1. Be responsible for the energy you bring into the room.
2. Don’t stress yourself out over things that don’t really matter.
3. Other people’s choices are their own; you’re not responsible for everyone else.
4. God is your CFO.
5. We’re always being led to something—trust in destiny.
6. Design your life so you can be with the people you love most.

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Tone & Feel

The conversation flows naturally, blending lightness and laughs with deep wisdom and intimate family moments. The daughters’ honesty, humor, and the real-life messiness pull listeners in, making this episode relatable whether you’re a parent, child, or seeking to manifest more joy and authenticity in your life.

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If you’re new to Everything Is Energy, this is a perfect episode to experience the heart and philosophy of Cathy Heller—where spirituality, practical life, and imperfect, loving humanity all meet.

Transcript

[Kathy Heller]

How do people manifest things?

[Gabrielle]

If they want something, they can get it, but don't push it.

[Eliza]

I definitely look at some stuff with a negative energy, but I try not to.

[Gabrielle]

Everything is energy. Don't feel guilty for anyone. They're making their own choices. I just want my husband to have the money and then all just have the car.

[Madeline]

I'll just drive the kids to school. I want to have my own business

[Gabrielle]

I can be hyped about.

[Eliza]

Hey guys, it's Kathy Heller.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Welcome back to Everything is Energy. I'm really excited because today's episode, all three of my daughters are here. Gabrielle, Eliza, and Madeline. And somehow after more than a thousand episodes, this is the first time the four of us have ever sat down together to do something like this. And honestly, this episode kind of turned into them really having a heart to heart talking about what it's really like to have me as a mom, what I'm like at home, the things that they like, the things that they don't like, some things that are funny about me, the stuff that they think adults do that's strange. And the kinds of people and energy that naturally we all gravitate toward versus the energy that's instantly a turn off. We also talked about manifestation and confidence, social media, the Kardashians, school stress, the LA fires, and what they want their lives to look like when they get older. It's a little bit funny, a little bit sweet, a little chaotic, completely unfiltered. And it really does have you feeling like you're sitting on the couch with us. So here's my conversation with my daughters.

[Kathy Heller]

Question for you guys. What do you think I do with my job?

[Eliza]

I actually don't know.

[Kathy Heller]

Spiritual, like you don't know? You have no idea?

[Madeline]

Yeah, like the other day or like a couple months ago, someone asked me, what did your mom do? And I actually said, I don't.

[Eliza]

Look, I know you have a podcast.

[Madeline]

Yeah, you like, you like have like

[Gabrielle]

a spiritual Jewish podcast.

[Kathy Heller]

Okay, and what do I do?

[Madeline]

You like spiritual people.

[Kathy Heller]

What do I teach? Like, why you teach people?

[Gabrielle]

Like, I don't manifest and like energy.

[Kathy Heller]

A little bit of like Jewish. How do you are telling someone how to manifest? Do you think you know how to do it? Like, how do people manifest things?

[Gabrielle]

Like just like, if they want something like, like they can get it from like, whatever. Like, I feel like they can get it, but don't like push it.

[Eliza]

But we did like just having experience with like me and like schools recently. Do you want to explain? For ninth grade, I'm applying To schools. And what's it called? There was this one that you really wanted me to go to, and I had toured it, so that's why you, like, ended up liking it.

[Kathy Heller]

I sat down with the principal, and she looked at me and she's like, I'm gonna be really direct with you. She's not a fit. You're not getting in. We're sending out admissions letters next week, but yours is gonna be a no. And I said, you know what? Everything's always happening for you.

[Eliza]

I had like.

[Kathy Heller]

I said, I'm really glad that this is the clarity. You're just giving me the clarity. And what happened five minutes after we left the school?

[Eliza]

We. But first, I, like, finally, like, accepted my fate that I was going to go there. And I was, like, really upset about it, but I was like, finally, like, I just have to go there because, like, I don't have another option. Because I didn't have another option at that point.

[Kathy Heller]

But then we went to go get.

[Eliza]

And I'm like, thank gosh.

[Kathy Heller]

And then I said, what about this other school? And as soon as I said that, we turn our head and there are these two girls walking with sweatshirts from the other school that you wanted to look at you. Yeah. And one of the girls walks over and she goes, gabby? And I go, you know her? She goes, yeah, I know you from third grade. She had remembered you from when we lived in Florida for, like, a minute. And she's like, you should totally come check out our school. And then she said, wait, I wanna invite you to something tonight. And then you went with her to a thing that night and it was just like, all happening.

[Eliza]

Yeah.

[Kathy Heller]

At the right place at the right time.

[Gabrielle]

I toured the school, and now I

[Eliza]

can't even go to that school. I mean, the one I didn't wanna go to.

[Kathy Heller]

Right. Have we ever had another experience where we've been together and we manifested something?

[Madeline]

Didn't you, like, do the thing with

[Gabrielle]

Kim on the train or something?

[Kathy Heller]

Wasn't that crazy? Yeah. So Kim and I. I was supposed to speak. I did speak in San Diego, and Kim and I waymoed to the train station, and we got there three minutes late, and we were running for the train, which was an 8:10 train to San Diego. We missed the train by a minute. I said to the guy, where's the train to San Diego? He goes, it already left. And so then she and I, long story short, gotten away, got in an Uber, and an hour later, I got an email from Amtrak because they thought I was on that train. Because I had already had tickets to the A10 train, it turned out that the train I didn't get on derailed and was stuck all day and never made it to San Diego. And because I missed it by a minute, I took an Uber and I did make it to Speak in San Diego.

[Eliza]

Yeah.

[Kathy Heller]

And that story. We've. I feel like we've had many moments where we're like, oh, my God, this is crazy that we're here right now at this moment.

[Gabrielle]

Yeah.

[Eliza]

Yeah.

[Kathy Heller]

That's crazy. So do you feel like you know the answer if someone's like, okay, how do you. How is good energy related to manifesting?

[Eliza]

Well, you have to, like, if you're so negative, then why do you think anything good would happen to you if you have no positive mindset, like, at all? Like, I don't think I really like, manifest things, but I just. I like, I definitely look at some stuff with, like, a negative energy, but, like, I try not to as much as, like, I probably would.

[Gabrielle]

I feel like there's a lot of people that we know that, like, don't, like, don't think good about themselves. Like, they don't. Like, they want all.

[Eliza]

We know, a lot of people, they

[Gabrielle]

want to manifest, but, like, they're still chopped and stuff. Yeah. And they don't know that the way to manifest is not what they're doing

[Kathy Heller]

right now, but it's like, when you have a good vibe. I always say my biggest thing is what?

[Maddie]

Energy.

[Eliza]

Good vibes.

[Gabrielle]

You're like, everything is energy.

[Kathy Heller]

You have to look, you have to be responsible for the energy you bring into the room.

[Madeline]

I'm always like, yeah, you really say that.

[Eliza]

Yeah. But we know a lot of people that just come into a room and are, like, so dark and have such bad energy, and it's, like, so hard to be around a lot of people like that. So many, like, more that are like that than not, probably.

[Kathy Heller]

And they know the law is that they then, like, create. They're. They fulfill the same, like, whatever negative thing they think, it just keeps happening because they are.

[Eliza]

They're, like, going as far.

[Gabrielle]

Yeah.

[Kathy Heller]

Because, like, they're bringing that. That's. Yeah. Crazy. We did make a list of your favorite people in our life. And, like, your tennis teacher was on the list. Our dentist was on the list. What do you think the people on the list have in common that you just really like?

[Gabrielle]

Like, really?

[Eliza]

I don't think they're like, yeah, it's

[Madeline]

the right and bubbly people.

[Eliza]

It's that they don't, like Have. It's like, we haven't seen like, a dark side that they have because we know people that have like, that are really nice, but also have a little bit like a edge, like a turn side. Not like, like a Something's like, heavy off. Like, something's heavy. And even though we really like them, something's off. So they're not on the list.

[Kathy Heller]

It's like, no. Also, you guys don't like insecure people.

[Eliza]

You don't like people who like, really

[Kathy Heller]

think to you for reassurance. Like, you like people who come in. Yeah. And are a vibe and they're happy and they're there to, like, bring good energy. Like anyone who's clingy or needy, you're just like, no. Or you also don't like when people are controlling with their kids.

[Gabrielle]

Yeah.

[Kathy Heller]

Yeah. If you see that with people, you're like, oh, my gosh, we hate that. You're just not for that. We have some friends where you're just like, oh, my God, they're so hard on their kids.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

I don't like that.

[Eliza]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kathy Heller]

This or that. Early morning or late night?

[Eliza]

Late night.

[Kathy Heller]

Late night.

[Eliza]

Is that even.

[Kathy Heller]

Who would say early morning?

[Eliza]

Like, you would.

[Kathy Heller]

Yeah.

[Madeline]

You, like, go on a walk and

[Eliza]

you have like, I wake up at

[Gabrielle]

like, I feel like I don't wake up 11.

[Kathy Heller]

No. There's a lot of people who are in like, the wellness space who are like, I like to wake up 4:35.

[Eliza]

Yeah.

[Kathy Heller]

Like Chris. Chris Jenner. Doesn't she wake up at like, you

[Madeline]

know, Chloe wakes up at like 4.

[Eliza]

I would do anything. Like, going like, late in the night, like, late lately. Yeah.

[Kathy Heller]

She. This one is a frat boy. This one stays 2:00am I get a postmates notification. Someone ordered Taco Bell. I'm like, Eliza.

[Eliza]

True.

[Kathy Heller]

Yeah. What time do you go to bed?

[Eliza]

Like, you had like, six actually.

[Madeline]

No, no, that was only like one.

[Kathy Heller]

What time do you go to bed? Like, if you're left to your own devices, like, if you're just left to be you, what time would you just fall asleep?

[Madeline]

Well, like, it kind of depends, but like two or three.

[Eliza]

Right?

[Kathy Heller]

Two or three.

[Gabrielle]

I feel like I normally go to bed at like midnight or like 1 to 11:30.

[Kathy Heller]

11:30 you go because you go to bed when I go to bed.

[Gabrielle]

Yeah. But also in the morning, like, I don't wake up early, but I don't wake up late every time I think

[Kathy Heller]

about what you did the other night. So Maddie loves to say her prayers before she goes to sleep, which is the sweetest thing in the world. So the other night we didn't say our prayers before we went to sleep because she fell asleep. So then I turn off the light because we're staying in a hotel, so we're in the same room. I turn off the light to go to bed, and she wakes up and she starts praying to God. And I go, oh, my gosh. I just. I actually did it. I had prayed over her and me. And she goes, oh, you did it. Okay. I go, you're so cute. In the morning. I said to him, like, do you know that you sat up to pray and then I told you I prayed. And then she's like, oh, okay. Is lying, praying. Why do you pray before you go to sleep?

[Gabrielle]

I feel like if I don't, like, I'll have like a bad dream. And once I didn't pray, I had a bad dream. So I feel like it, like, does something with my dream so I don't have like a bad dream.

[Kathy Heller]

Do you feel like if you do pray, God protects you? Yeah.

[Eliza]

Yeah.

[Gabrielle]

Because like, the night that I had the dream about Bruce Jenner, I didn't.

[Kathy Heller]

Oh, my God. So we've. Let's just come out that night.

[Gabrielle]

I didn't pray. I think something happened.

[Kathy Heller]

Should we just tell the whole story? So over the last two years, we've become obsessed with watching the Kardashians. Like, guys, if you're watching this, we're obsessed with you. Like, we love you so much. Every. Like. But the details, like, we could go deep in. We've got the deep cut. Okay, so Maddie, literally, now it's in our dreams. Okay, it's in her dreams. But anyways, I'm not gonna go into all the details of the dreams, but I will say that what happened with us that we got obsessed with watching the Kardashians.

[Eliza]

Me, it was cool. Yeah.

[Kathy Heller]

I thought I started it.

[Eliza]

No, I started it because, like a couple years ago we would watch like the new Seasons. But like, I went back and I started watching Keeping up and you guys, like saw me watching it and she's like the most behind True or False.

[Kathy Heller]

We. You walk into our house, there's three TVs going, and we're all at dancing. Yeah, but it's what's playing all the time.

[Gabrielle]

Yeah. She wakes up at 4:30 and then goes to the gym at 5.

[Eliza]

Like her own gym.

[Kathy Heller]

Aspire to be the momager. And I. I think we all. This is very special. Like, we would all love to live next door to each other, wouldn't we? In the same gate.

[Eliza]

Like, no.

[Kathy Heller]

Oh, it's okay.

[Eliza]

You won't remember.

[Kathy Heller]

Like, Maddie will. Maddie lives next door to me.

[Gabrielle]

Like, have Chris.

[Kathy Heller]

Chris and Chloe.

[Eliza]

Yeah.

[Kathy Heller]

What do you think? Not you.

[Eliza]

I don't want to be next door.

[Kathy Heller]

Like, three blocks away. Okay.

[Eliza]

Like, couple miles.

[Kathy Heller]

I don't know. I don't know. Do you think that your phone is a good thing or a bad thing? Because I think it's the reason you can't sit through movies. It's.

[Eliza]

It's a good thing and a bad thing. Okay, say what? So, okay, it's a good thing to, like, be in touch with people and, like, have a better, like, social life. Because kids now, like, they get considered, like, weird if they don't have a phone.

[Kathy Heller]

Okay.

[Eliza]

But for other reasons. Like, so bad. Because people get, like, left out. People get fomo and like, it makes your attention band. Attention span.

[Kathy Heller]

So sure.

[Eliza]

And like, it makes people feel really bad online.

[Kathy Heller]

Does it make you feel. I never hear you say that. It makes you feel bad.

[Eliza]

No, I don't think it makes me feel bad. But like, like a lot of people

[Kathy Heller]

that compare themselves to other people's bodies. Do you do that?

[Eliza]

I don't think.

[Kathy Heller]

Do you do that?

[Eliza]

But.

[Kathy Heller]

So why do you think people don't do that?

[Gabrielle]

I don't know.

[Kathy Heller]

Do you feel good about yours?

[Madeline]

Is that what it is?

[Kathy Heller]

Like, that self esteem?

[Eliza]

I don't know. But there's a lot of people also. Like, people, like, I don't know, like, people get bullied from their phones. Like, people like snap cyber people and whatever. So I understand, like, why people.

[Gabrielle]

I feel like I don't do that.

[Eliza]

I just don't like social. Like, I. I use social media, but I don't like it. Like, if, if no one had it, like, I'd be happier.

[Kathy Heller]

Right.

[Eliza]

But, like, I'm not gonna. If everyone has it, I'm not gonna not have.

[Kathy Heller]

So I'm either the coolest mom or the worst for what I tell you about school. What do I basically say?

[Madeline]

You don't, like, you don't, like, care.

[Eliza]

Yeah.

[Gabrielle]

So I feel like, I think, I like that.

[Kathy Heller]

I want you to just be cool

[Eliza]

with people, but I feel like I'm

[Kathy Heller]

not interested in all these subjects when

[Maddie]

we're not in school.

[Gabrielle]

Like, you're like, you don't need school. I just need what we're doing now. But, like, when we're in school, like, you're like, you can't skip school, but when we're out of school, you're like, I don't care.

[Kathy Heller]

School in general, I feel like, makes kids feel stressed for no reason. And I feel like what you really need is to be free to express yourself. What was it like for you guys to live through the fire in la? That was scary.

[Gabrielle]

Scary.

[Eliza]

I don't know if it was that scary. Like, when we first got evacuated, it was scary. And then we left and we had two minutes to leave. You dropped your phone down the elevator of the house. That makes me sound so. An elevator. Yeah.

[Kathy Heller]

Okay. Loki.

[Eliza]

We had three cats of us. And we, we grabbed whatever we we could in like two minutes. I ran into my closet. It was like throwing random stuff in my bag. And we left. I was still in my school hose. And we left our cat inside the house.

[Kathy Heller]

We couldn't find the fort Tell what happened. We have. We have.

[Madeline]

We like cats.

[Kathy Heller]

At the time, we gave one to my sister, so now we have three. We still love the other one, but she has it.

[Eliza]

So we had four cats.

[Kathy Heller]

I said, look for the cats and the fire resistance are there.

[Eliza]

And I only had a minute.

[Kathy Heller]

And what happened to the fourth cat, Eliza?

[Madeline]

We, like, couldn't find him.

[Kathy Heller]

But what happened when we got in the car and you're like, we missed one of the cats.

[Eliza]

I know, but he was okay. Yeah, he messed up, Eliza. He was sitting on the bed.

[Kathy Heller]

You have to go back. Okay, let me ask you this question. If you, because you guys are so supportive of me, like, if you knew that I would like 100 listen about any topic, what advice would you give me? What does that, like, what would you tell me to do? Because you tell me to do with

[Eliza]

stuff about us or about just about you.

[Madeline]

Anything.

[Kathy Heller]

Like, like, would you say, like, mommy, you need to work out? Would you say, we want you to take better care of your health? Would you say, don't be so nice? She always says to me, you're. Oh, you over give. You're too nice. You, like, don't say no.

[Gabrielle]

I feel like if you don't think like, like over the, like this year, like, you've already like changed your whole outfit. Like, glow up. Yeah. Like you lost weight. So I feel like you look good. But like, I don't know, like, maybe like you shouldn't be that generous because, like, you're very generous to all your friends. Like, maybe. Yeah, yeah, pick up the phone.

[Madeline]

That's a mini.

[Eliza]

Yeah, it's a good one.

[Kathy Heller]

Do I ever pick up?

[Gabrielle]

No.

[Eliza]

Like, actually I text.

[Gabrielle]

You text? That's it.

[Madeline]

You don't, you don't.

[Kathy Heller]

Nobody would believe I do not.

[Gabrielle]

You only Call Kim. That's it. You don't even call us.

[Kathy Heller]

No, but I don't even really call you.

[Eliza]

Barely.

[Kathy Heller]

Barely. Yeah, but it's, like, once every four months, if that. That's, like, a lot.

[Gabrielle]

You never call anyone. I know, but you call Baby sometimes.

[Eliza]

Yeah. She's like your sister. It's a different.

[Kathy Heller]

Yeah, so don't be so generous. Try to say no more. Don't you.

[Eliza]

No, don't try to say no more. Like, not us.

[Kathy Heller]

This year, our whole thing has been, like, do not do things out of guilt.

[Eliza]

Right? Yeah, yeah, but something you could do out of guilt.

[Kathy Heller]

Like.

[Eliza]

No. Like, for us, like, a little bit. But don't make everything about, like, go, because we still want you to feel like. Yeah, you have, like. Like, you have, like. Like, you're our parent, so you have, like, the final say and stuff. Yeah, but, like, we don't get to, like, rule.

[Gabrielle]

Like, you said, like, don't feel guilty. Like. Like, not. Not. Like, don't feel guilty for anyone.

[Kathy Heller]

Right.

[Gabrielle]

Because, like, they're making their own choices for what they do.

[Kathy Heller]

Do you feel like there's anything you wish you did differently with each other? Like, we're. I think one thing you could do

[Gabrielle]

better, maybe that we, like, just fight

[Eliza]

that much, I think, for all of us. Stay out of each other's closets.

[Madeline]

Oh, wait. I'm gonna say Gabby turns into, like, actual, like, a ferocious beast whenever someone goes near her closet. Like the other day. Wait, stop.

[Kathy Heller]

Closet.

[Madeline]

No, stop.

[Eliza]

I hate it.

[Madeline]

Like, I don't know if it was yesterday or, like, a couple days ago, but Maddie was looking in Gabby's closet, and she literally blocked it. Like, she was like, no. No. Actually, no.

[Gabrielle]

And they.

[Madeline]

They got into, like, a fight about it. Like, a physical actually died that night.

[Gabrielle]

It was last night, literally last night. And I was. I just wanted to see if she had, like, pants or a shirt. And she literally jumped on top of me, and she was like, no, no. Yeah, no, you don't go in my closet. Yeah, she threw me to the floor.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

No, she did.

[Eliza]

You fell on the floor.

[Kathy Heller]

Let's do this. Because I think a lot of times people try to look like they have it all together, and I don't like thinking that we don't. So let's tell people who are listening. Like, what makes us, like, normal? And, like, what are the things about us that, like, people might be surprised? Like, not our best.

[Eliza]

Like, things.

[Kathy Heller]

Like, you just gave an example. You guys fight.

[Eliza]

I'm very, like, not organized and stuff. Yeah. Like, my room is Always. Like, I always have stuff on my floor and stuff.

[Kathy Heller]

You always have.

[Eliza]

I always feel like I leave the kitchen a mess because I cook, and I leave everything.

[Kathy Heller]

You're a really good cook. But I feel like one of the things I don't do well is with food. Like, I feel like our fridge is either overstepped. Yeah. There's nothing to eat.

[Eliza]

Yeah. We.

[Madeline]

Or there's nothing actually, like, so horrible.

[Eliza]

Yeah. We have, like. It's like, random things.

[Kathy Heller]

We fill up, like, three cars.

[Eliza]

We spent, like, 800 at Trader Joe's, and we have nothing to eat.

[Madeline]

Those things. It's like an ingredient household where you have no ingredients. Like, I tried to make brownies the other day. We didn't have eggs or olive oil.

[Kathy Heller]

Then other times, we have, like, three cartons of eggs. What about me, though? Like, what are the things that people would be surprised to know about me?

[Eliza]

You don't wash off your makeup.

[Kathy Heller]

No, no, I never do.

[Madeline]

You sleep with your makeup?

[Kathy Heller]

I can't. It's disgusting.

[Madeline]

Like, you used to have, like, a thing on your eye, and then I found it.

[Kathy Heller]

That's true.

[Eliza]

Yeah. And then I gave you, like, makeup wipes. I'm like, mom, you have. You have to, like, use cleanser after you use a makeup wipe. And she wipes it off in her bed and then leaves a makeup wipe on your nightstand.

[Kathy Heller]

And I hardly ever even wipe it off.

[Eliza]

Yeah. I give it to you.

[Kathy Heller]

It's gross. I'll tell you something that is not good about me, that people wouldn't. I have no patience.

[Madeline]

No, no.

[Kathy Heller]

Explain how I'm not.

[Eliza]

Yours is worse than mine.

[Gabrielle]

Nothing.

[Kathy Heller]

Not even a dot.

[Eliza]

Not even actually load a video. Like, no. No.

[Kathy Heller]

I'm like, I can't wait for anything. Like, it's. I'm gone.

[Gabrielle]

Especially Eliza.

[Eliza]

You can't wait in traffic.

[Kathy Heller]

Oh, definitely not.

[Gabrielle]

No Eliza.

[Kathy Heller]

But I also have no tolerance. I have zero tolerance from patients. It doesn't.

[Gabrielle]

But also, like, Eliza's, like, very late, and you get. You honk the call.

[Eliza]

Yeah, that's. Yeah, that's your thing. You're, like, chronically late. That's your.

[Kathy Heller]

Oh. When I was a kid, I was, like, her. Chronically late to.

[Eliza]

I'm not. No, I'm.

[Gabrielle]

I'm not.

[Kathy Heller]

Do you feel like I'm ever stressed about money?

[Gabrielle]

No. No.

[Kathy Heller]

Do you feel like I'm very.

[Eliza]

All the time? Like, I can order food whenever I want? You're not like, oh, you spent too much money or anything. You send me money if I. I

[Gabrielle]

feel like if I ask for money, I'm expecting, like, $30. And you're spending.

[Eliza]

Yeah.

[Gabrielle]

You're giving me 200.

[Eliza]

I'm like, what do you think I

[Kathy Heller]

value more, money or people? People.

[Eliza]

The other day I went to Great White, and I was like, can you send me money? And I thought you were gonna send me, like, $40 for food, and you sent me 300 for food.

[Kathy Heller]

Right.

[Gabrielle]

Like, we don't need $300 for food. You can keep that.

[Kathy Heller]

What do I always say? God is my cfo.

[Eliza]

Yeah.

[Madeline]

Yeah.

[Kathy Heller]

And I also just feel like the way I am with money, it's kind of like how I am with. I just like being generous.

[Eliza]

Yeah, but you also, like. People make it. It's like.

[Kathy Heller]

It also.

[Eliza]

It's good for convenience and stuff. You're very. You use money for convenience a lot, but it's also, like, to make you happy. Like, since you can, like, you drive a nice car, because you can.

[Kathy Heller]

It's like.

[Eliza]

It's, like, nice.

[Kathy Heller]

Do you feel like you will live your life the way I am when you're an adult, or will there be something different that you would do that I did? What would that be? Or do you want to have it look like?

[Eliza]

I want to have a movie, but I don't want to. I don't know if I want to work.

[Gabrielle]

Yeah.

[Kathy Heller]

See, I like this. Yeah, no, I like this.

[Eliza]

I don't think I want to work.

[Kathy Heller]

Do you know how many friends of mine are like, I'm going to work so I can retire my husband? And I'm like, why? Is that your goal?

[Eliza]

No, I go out and provide. Okay. I really like interior design, but I can do that in my 20s and always have that as, like, a side job if I want to do that. But I don't want to have to be responsible for having to make the money in work. And I want to be able to have a nice car and stuff, but not have to work like my husband.

[Gabrielle]

Like, I just want, like, my husband to, like, have the money, and then I'll just, like, have the car.

[Kathy Heller]

Okay.

[Gabrielle]

With my kids.

[Madeline]

I'll just drive the kids to school.

[Gabrielle]

What about you?

[Madeline]

I feel like I would want it to be, like, not the exact same, but, like, pretty similar.

[Gabrielle]

Yeah, pretty. I feel like I would also have, like, a job that, like, if.

[Eliza]

But, like, you don't have to.

[Gabrielle]

I'm not gonna have this happen.

[Kathy Heller]

But, like, the way that we're doing our life is kind of a cool thing in the sense that, like, daddy and I living in different houses, like, we don't fight and we're intense. Like, I feel like other people could do that better.

[Gabrielle]

I feel like it's okay, but, like, it's fine. I feel like I like it. Like, it's okay, but, like.

[Eliza]

Like, it doesn't really affect me that much. Yeah, but, like, because, you know he loves you.

[Kathy Heller]

You know I love you and he. And I.

[Eliza]

Like, it's fine. It's just like, I don't really like Florida. I think that's the thing. It's fine.

[Madeline]

Yeah. I just don't like the part where we have to, like, since whatever year it was, like, we have to move back and forth.

[Eliza]

Yeah.

[Madeline]

And like, to Florida during COVID Because

[Kathy Heller]

the LA shut down. Then we came back when LA reopened. And then after the crime and the fires, you move back to Florida.

[Gabrielle]

I feel like I would rather be here. But if you, like, don't pick both, like, pick one. Like, I would prefer to live here.

[Kathy Heller]

But you like LA better.

[Gabrielle]

Like, friends, school. Like, I love my school here, but also it just feels depressing there. Yeah. I feel like it's like. It's, like, peaceful in our house. Like, you love. But mom, like, you love our house, but, like, I feel like you don't, like, feel like you have more fun here.

[Kathy Heller]

It'll be interesting to see where God leads us this year. What lines up. Like, we've been trying different things. Like, we came back and toured a high school here, and we were all, like, not a fit.

[Eliza]

Yeah.

[Kathy Heller]

And we really wanted to like it. And then we even looked at a house. So it's like, we'll see where we're led.

[Eliza]

Right.

[Kathy Heller]

We're being led to something. There's like, a destiny unfolding, and we'll see.

[Eliza]

Yeah, I know.

[Kathy Heller]

Guys, this was so fun.

[Eliza]

Like, I.

[Kathy Heller]

You guys came on my. This is our first episode together in. I've done a thousand episodes. I started when you were three weeks old and this is the first time you've ever been on. What do you think? How has the podcast changed our life?

[Eliza]

Like, we were living in, like, little. A little house.

[Gabrielle]

Yeah.

[Eliza]

We was in, like, the busiest street in front of, like, a bus.

[Kathy Heller]

Yes.

[Gabrielle]

Yeah.

[Eliza]

And now we, like.

[Gabrielle]

Yeah. Before that you were, like, living in an apartment, and then you moved and

[Eliza]

you feel like you have so much more freedom. I think also, I think my favorite

[Kathy Heller]

part is that I. I set the intention to have a career where I could mostly be with you guys and work a little bit, but mostly be with you. And I have something where I get to do that.

[Eliza]

Yeah, mostly with you. I can't in an office.

[Kathy Heller]

I don't know. I work, like, five to ten hours a week.

[Eliza]

You also work in our living room, so it's like, yeah, like, this week we're on.

[Kathy Heller]

We're on a break kind of because we're in la. I had two calls, and then I shot a couple podcasts, and the rest of the time we're together.

[Gabrielle]

I like that. Like, you're very, like, flexible with your, like.

[Madeline]

Yeah.

[Gabrielle]

Like, you don't really, but, like, you can, like, like, push a call to, like, a couple hours later. But, like, you mostly hang out with us and, like, only, like, you only have calls, like, for, like, three hours in the morning.

[Kathy Heller]

Is it weird for you when someone comes up to us at, like, an airport or a restaurant and you're like, oh, they know my.

[Eliza]

Yeah. You also, like, invite women to our house a lot, and they're always like, over treats and.

[Gabrielle]

Yeah.

[Eliza]

Like, retreats and stuff. And they're always like, what do you think of your own? I'm like, yeah, Like, I know.

[Gabrielle]

Yeah. They're always like, you know, your mom's so cool, but, like, I get that, like, a lot.

[Kathy Heller]

Say, use what you want your careers to be when you grow up.

[Eliza]

Okay, so I want to be an interior designer.

[Kathy Heller]

You're really good at it. Yeah. You did your bathroom. It's really nice.

[Eliza]

It wasn't.

[Kathy Heller]

My bathroom's not perfect. It's nice. Yeah, it's good. Yeah. What do you want to do?

[Eliza]

I want to change some stuff. Wait, not done.

[Kathy Heller]

All right.

[Madeline]

Okay, wait.

[Eliza]

So I want to do that, like, in college and stuff. Like, study that and then do that, like, after college. And then once I get married, I'm not gonna do anymore.

[Gabrielle]

Okay. And, like, during high school, when I have a car, I want to, like, have, like, a little job. Yeah, like, a little job. And then, like, what's like a little job?

[Eliza]

Like, working at, like, Brandy's?

[Gabrielle]

Yeah, like, something like that. Like, at a little store. And then I want to have my own store, and then I want to have a podcast.

[Eliza]

What? A store?

[Madeline]

Like, a what?

[Gabrielle]

Like, I want to make my own store. Yeah. And then I want to have a pot.

[Eliza]

Like, do you want it to be, like, the paper store that you love?

[Gabrielle]

No.

[Madeline]

Oh, gosh.

[Gabrielle]

Not club. No.

[Eliza]

Cafe.

[Gabrielle]

Little cafe.

[Kathy Heller]

Okay.

[Madeline]

And you.

[Kathy Heller]

What do you want your career to be?

[Gabrielle]

I don't know.

[Madeline]

I'm gonna, like, I want to have, like, my own business. Like, I don't know what it would be. So I'm, like, kind of set, and it'll be like, yeah, but then I also want to do something, like, on the side that's, like, fun.

[Eliza]

Yeah.

[Gabrielle]

I feel like also I would want to be dj.

[Eliza]

Dj. That's so orange. Okay.

[Gabrielle]

I can be hype about my famous, like. Like the dance.

[Kathy Heller]

Yes, of the dance. It's about my school. Have you had a favorite guest that's been on my show so far?

[Madeline]

I don't know who's been on your show.

[Kathy Heller]

You don't have, like, you like Bethany Frankel.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

She's been on.

[Kathy Heller]

That was so long ago. That was so long.

[Eliza]

I give you people that you should

[Kathy Heller]

have on Christina Perry. Like, you don't even know these people.

[Eliza]

You should have.

[Madeline]

You should have, like, I know who

[Eliza]

they are, but they're not.

[Gabrielle]

We should have Chloe, Kim, Kylie, Scott, Courtney.

[Kathy Heller]

Yeah, yeah.

[Gabrielle]

Kendall, the whole.

[Eliza]

The whole Chris.

[Kathy Heller]

The whole family.

[Gabrielle]

But I really want you to meet Chloe.

[Kathy Heller]

I love her. She's so cute. That would be so aura for me. Let me just ask this one last question. What do you think, each of you, like, if you had to say what each of you is specializing in or you're the best at, like, what would

[Eliza]

it be about each other? Yeah.

[Kathy Heller]

I'll say for you. Style.

[Eliza]

Yeah.

[Kathy Heller]

Also, your memory is insane. You remember every single detail. Like, once we were talking about our trip to New Hampshire, and you're like, yeah. And across the street, on the awning outside, it said. I was like, oh, my God.

[Eliza]

I remember it. I remember we went to that. What's it called? Ice cream shop in Boston. I remember what it was called, all of it, when I. When we were. I was like, eight.

[Kathy Heller]

Yeah. So your memory, your style. I feel like you're also really, like, my advocate. You're always, like, giving, like, encouragement to me. What else do you. What do you think her thing is, like, organizing. She's so good at organizing. And she's also. You're very, like, delicate.

[Eliza]

Not like, you're very, like, in, like, intentional. Intense.

[Madeline]

Not precise.

[Eliza]

A little bit too much precise. Yeah, you're very precise.

[Kathy Heller]

She's a really good. She draws really well. She's a good artist.

[Eliza]

Maddie is very, like. You're good at tik toks.

[Kathy Heller]

Maddie has a lot of enthusiasm. She brings good energy. She's a lot of fun. Yeah.

[Gabrielle]

It just. I have the most confidence out of all stuff. Like, I would do this, like, alone now. Like, they.

[Kathy Heller]

Oh, yeah.

[Eliza]

Aren't able to do that right now.

[Gabrielle]

Yeah, yeah. I'm going to do the Nolan and she. I don't care if you post it because, like, I'm not That type of person, like, they. If you post something with them, like, they get mad, but I don't care.

[Kathy Heller]

What do we.

[Gabrielle]

I think I like things posted.

[Eliza]

You're very persuasive on people.

[Gabrielle]

Yeah.

[Kathy Heller]

Very influential.

[Eliza]

Yeah, you're really influential.

[Kathy Heller]

Well, this was super fun and you guys are amazing. And I had so much fun. I can't believe I thought this was going to be 10 minutes and it went by so fast.

[Eliza]

Thank you, guys. Shout out.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

All right, well, that was so fun and I hope you enjoyed sitting in on that. Here are the takeaways, and Maddie is

[Maddie]

here to tell you, Number one, be responsible for your energy you bring into the room. Everything is energy. Number two, don't stress yourself out over things that don't really matter. Number three, other people's choices are their own. Your choice, not responsible for everyone else. Number four, God is your cfo. Number five, we're always being led to something. There's destiny unfolding. Trust that everything is always happening for you. Number six, design your life so you can be with your people you love most.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

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[Kathy Heller]

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[Podcast Host / Narrator]

I can't wait to see you there. I love you so much.

[Kathy Heller]

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