The Tudor Dixon Podcast: Ron Johnson on Fauci's COVID Cover-Up & the Rise of Socialism

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Tudor Dixon Podcast – Senator Ron Johnson on Fauci's COVID Cover-Up & the Rise of Socialism

Date: August 7, 2026
Podcast: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show (iHeartPodcasts)
Episode: The Tudor Dixon Podcast: Ron Johnson on Fauci's COVID Cover-Up & the Rise of Socialism

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Overview

In this episode, Tudor Dixon sits down with Senator Ron Johnson (R-WI) to discuss two pressing issues:

1. The increasingly open embrace of socialism (and, as the hosts frame it, “communism”) within the Democratic Party and American society, especially among young voters and academic elites.
2. Revelations from Anthony Fauci’s COVID-19 diaries — touching on the origins of COVID-19, government cover-ups, the suppression of alternative medical treatments, repercussions for political and medical actors, and the lasting damages the pandemic response inflicted on Americans.

Throughout, the conversation is marked by concern over declining traditional values and institutions, skepticism toward mainstream media, and urgent calls for accountability and ongoing investigation.

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Key Discussion Points

1. The Rise of Socialism and Radicalism in American Politics

Timestamps: [01:28]–[11:14]

• Open Embrace of Socialism: Senator Johnson expresses alarm that Democratic candidates now openly identify as socialists or communists, a shift from the past when such views were concealed. He blames this trend on the failure of legacy media and the education system.

  • Quote: "In the past... many Democrats were basically closet communists and socialists... Now it's in your face. They're out there proclaiming to be socialists." – Senator Ron Johnson, [02:03]

• Role of Universities: Both Dixon and Johnson argue colleges have become "indoctrination institutions," churning out graduates with high debt, low employability, and left-wing ideologies.

  • Quote: "We don't teach what actually works economically anymore. We apparently indoctrinate our children to believe that socialism is a valid economic system. It's not." – Senator Ron Johnson, [05:07]

• Concerns Over Assimilation and Identity Politics: Dixon and Johnson critique progressive rhetoric around concepts like "proximity to whiteness" and "assimilation," lamenting the rise of divisive identity politics.

  • Quote: "...these radical left, progressives, socialists... they're really good. I ran against Mandela Barnes. He was incredibly smooth and slick, spouting all this stuff that... almost rhymes. But what does it mean?" – Senator Ron Johnson, [08:26]

• Media's Role: They accuse mainstream media of failing to challenge these narratives or demand policy substance from left-leaning candidates.

  • Quote: "The media is responsible for this. They have not called out, what are you even talking about?" – Tudor Dixon, [09:26]

• Pop-Culture Parallels: Johnson references the film Idiocracy, suggesting today’s political discourse is reminiscent of its satirical vision of a dumbed-down society. [11:14]

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2. COVID-19 Origins, Fauci’s Pandemic Response, and Institutional Failure

Timestamps: [14:19]–[37:45]

• Fauci’s “COVID Cover-Up”:

  • Johnson asserts that Anthony Fauci financed dangerous gain-of-function research, circumvented U.S. regulations, and suppressed the lab-leak theory with the help of grant recipients who then discredited dissenting views.
    • Quote: “It is so obvious that Anthony Fauci was funding gain of function research... He circumvented [the moratorium]... All of a sudden, [the] man-made lab leak theory was a conspiracy theory.” – Senator Ron Johnson, [15:26]
  • He points out recent diary revelations indicating Fauci never believed the virus came from a wet market, despite telling the public otherwise.

• Exaggerating the Threat: Johnson says Fauci predicted privately that COVID would be twice as bad as a severe flu season, but publicly “scaremongered,” justifying economic shutdowns and school closures.

  • Quote: "[Fauci] was saying it was going to be 10 times a flu season... that's the fear he was trying to instill in everybody, by the way, just like he did with AIDS." – Senator Ron Johnson, [15:26]

• School Closures and Damaged Learning: Dixon shares personal anecdotes about the effects of school shutdowns and masking on children, and they both point to long-term learning loss.

  • Quote (on masks): "You have to have a mask on to enter the restaurant, then you can take it off to eat. This was just pandemic theater across the board." – Senator Ron Johnson, [20:58]

• Suppression of Alternative Treatments:

  • Johnson argues there was a concerted effort spearheaded by Fauci and his allies to suppress treatments like hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin, in favor of expensive drugs (like remdesivir) and MRNA vaccines, partly for financial motives and to justify emergency use authorizations for the novel vaccines.
    • Quote: "There was a concerted effort to sabotage use hydroxychloroquine, then ivermectin... All in favor of remdesivir, which nurses called run Death is near." – Senator Ron Johnson, [24:23]

• Vaccine and COVID Death Statistics: Johnson questions reported COVID death numbers and the efficacy claims for vaccines, suggesting numbers were inflated and that mass vaccination may have contributed to the emergence of variants. [30:54]

• Weaponization of Public Health Bureaucracy:

  • Both express outrage at doctors losing licenses for defying official COVID protocols, characterizing this as government overreach and an egregious violation of medical autonomy.

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3. Government, Big Tech, and Philanthropy Intertwined

Timestamps: [28:20]–[29:42]

• Bill Gates’ Role: Johnson accuses Gates of undue influence over global health institutions and profiting from vaccine investments. He questions why, unlike other wealthy individuals, Gates receives little criticism from the left.
  • Quote: "Bill Gates is fully complicit in all this... He bought his way into these global public health institutions and controls them as a result." – Senator Ron Johnson, [28:36]

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4. Calls for Accountability and Future Safeguards

Timestamps: [35:08]–[37:45]

• The Need for Relentless Oversight: Johnson vows to keep pursuing transparency and accountability, referencing an upcoming public event to amplify the voices of families affected by COVID hospital protocols.

  • Quote: "We cannot just forget about COVID and move on... thank you for continuing to do this, because it could happen again and it doesn't have to." – Tudor Dixon, [33:51]
  • Johnson: “I'm going to be holding an event on the hospital protocols and the families of loved ones who they couldn't even say goodbye to. I'm getting the testimonies now. They are just heart wrenching.” – [35:08]

• Personal Connection: Johnson shares a personal story about his daughter’s health and his respect for medical professionals, contrasting it with his disappointment at what he sees as their slavish adherence to flawed COVID protocols.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Senator Ron Johnson, on socialist rhetoric:
  “They're really good... Spouting all this stuff that it's almost like music... But what does it mean? I have no idea what they're saying...” [08:26]

• Tudor Dixon, on media’s failure:
  “They’re so afraid of saying anything that could be interpreted by one of their phobias or their isms... The truth has got to be told.” [03:46]

• Senator Ron Johnson, on government pandemic response:
  "...the reason they tanked [cheaper COVID treatments] is if you had effective treatment, you could not get an emergency use authorization for the gene therapy injection, the experimental injection. And that was always his goal..." [25:30]

• On children and education:
  “For six months this child's been in school and had no idea what her teacher looked like.” – Tudor Dixon, [30:54]

• On grief and loss:
  “Of the roughly half of the hundred [hospital protocol] cases he won, only two people died. Of the half that he lost, they all died… all these families are asking, would you please just give my loved one Ivermectin?” – Senator Ron Johnson, [35:08]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Introduction and the Wisconsin/Michigan political landscape: [01:28]
• Universities, socialism, and media critique: [02:03]–[11:14]
• COVID discussion and Fauci diaries: [14:19]–[29:42]
• Debate on masks, vaccines, implications for children: [20:58]–[33:51]
• Accountability, Senate oversight, and personal stories: [35:08]–[37:45]
• Conclusion and next-steps for oversight: [35:08]–[37:45]

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Takeaways

• Concerns about the embrace of socialism and radical politics were front and center, with both systemic critique and anecdotal detail on their cultural impact.
• Senator Johnson presents a strident case for continued investigation into COVID origins, pandemic response, and the actions of powerful bureaucrats and private actors — particularly Anthony Fauci and Bill Gates.
• The episode blends political commentary, cultural critique, and personal narrative to underscore the importance of institutional accountability and vigilance in both political and public health spheres.

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For those who missed the episode, this summary encapsulates the major themes and debates — from the future of American political life to unresolved questions and controversies surrounding the pandemic.

Transcript

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[Tudor Dixon]

Welcome to the Tudor Dixon Podcast. We are so fortunate to have Senator Ron Johnson with us today. The senator from Wisconsin. And I know you're probably thinking, Wisconsin, my gosh, what's happening in Wisconsin? But you're also thinking, what's happening with the Fauci files? So we're going to talk to him about both. Because I am also wondering about that for all of you who listen, you know, I'm from Michigan. You know, we just had an election. Abdul El Sayad was elected as the Democrat nominee for Senate. And Senator Johnson, you have a similar situation with your gubernatorial candidate out there in Wisconsin. What is happening?

[Senator Ron Johnson]

Well, you know, a lot of conservative political pundits are kind of jumping for joy, going, hey, this is going to make it easy to win elections. First of all, that's not true. And secondly, I'm not jumping for joy. I think this is alarming. I would say it's depressing. You know, in the past, let's face it, we know that many Democrats were basically closet communists and socialists Right. But they realized that the voters wouldn't support them, so they had to lie about it. They had to keep it quiet. They had to stay in the closet. Now it's in your face. They're out there proclaiming to be socialists. They're not afraid whatsoever to spout all kinds of just ridiculous policy things anti Israel. I mean, again, this should shock everybody. And it's a real indictment, I would say, on our legacy news media and our education system that these individuals can again, just. They're unmasked. And again, I can understand after the Great Depression when capitalism didn't work all that well for various reasons, okay, look for a different economic model. But it's been tried and it's failed. And anywhere communism or socialism has really been implemented, it's destroyed economies, it's destroyed nations, it's created dictatorial tyrannies that murdered tens of millions of the citizens. Soviet Union, Venezuela, Cuba, I mean, these countries are basket cases. So again, there should be no appeal. And it's depressing, quite honestly, that these candidates right now are winning primaries in Democrat circles. They better be defeated in November.

[Tudor Dixon]

There plenty of them won't be, though. That's the scary thing. I mean, we know that some of the people that won in congressional districts in New York are communists. Essential. And they won't be defeated by a Republican. I know sri's district. He in Michigan. He just lost his primary. He won't be the. The new guy that went in is more radical than him. He won't be defeated by a Republican. I think that the point you're making is so critical that people understand that if you're not educating, if the Republicans are not educating all the time, the Democrats aren't going to do it. I mean, look at what we just saw with Haley Stevens. Her campaign would not actually hit on the true issues with Abdul Al Sayad because they are so afraid of saying anything that could be interpreted by one of their phobias or their isms. And they're like, we can't step near the truth. The truth has got to be told. And I think the point you made about universities and school is so important because those are the people. And we can see the numbers. Those are the people who are voting for these people. If you look at Michigan, you look at the highly educated people, those are the votes that came in for Abdul. And people are saying, how is he going to win over the working class? And I will tell you, the working class is smarter than that. They've been out there, they have real life experience and they know that what he's selling is a bunch of hooey.

[Senator Ron Johnson]

Well, middle class works. I've come to believe that the whole drumbeat, the whole narrative, you have to get a four year degree, massive communist plot. First of all, it's just untrue. What does it say about people who don't get a four year degree and work hard? I mean, well, they're second class citizens, but we had that drumbeat for decades. We've done such an enormous disservice to our children. They've collectively incurred $1.7 trillion in debt. They've been awarded degrees that employers don't value. They can't pay off that debt. And now politically, they were shuffled into these indoctrination institutions. And that's what so many, not all, but so many universities and colleges become, just indoctrination institutions. So now we have, after the butchery of October 7th by Hamas, we've got college students on some of these major campuses protesting in favor of Hamas. And now we've got these socialist candidates, again, completely out in the open. I'm a socialist. Yeah, let's take those rich people's wealth away. In other words, let's kill the golden goose. Again, we're not educating people that the profit motive is a powerful incentive within a vibrant economy for people to provide products and services we all value. And yeah, they make money at it. And then when they accumulate that money, they don't stuff it in a mattress, they reinvest it in other businesses, other ideas to provide other services and products and provide jobs along the way. So again, we don't teach what actually works economically anymore. We apparently indoctrinate our children to believe that socialism is a valid economic system. It's not. It's failed every place that's ever been tried.

[Tudor Dixon]

Economics is not taught at that level. I mean, the universities are, they're teaching some other. I mean, they're obviously teaching that socialism is the answer. And that's where these groups like the dsa, which they have taken over the Democrat Party, calling themselves themselves, the Democratic Socialist association of America, they start on college campuses, they get there. I mean, that's where Mamdani got his membership to the dsa as he started the campus, on his college campus in the United States here. And that's what we're seeing in Michigan. That's why we, that's why Ann Arbor overwhelmingly voted, where the University of Michigan is overwhelmingly voted for Abdul. And these candidates are not telling you anything. I mean, in, in Wisconsin you have Francesca Hong, who Has even said disparaging things about her own child. And she. And to me, the interesting part about that is they asked her about. I guess she started talking about her proximity to whiteness. And she's almost apologizing for it. And she says, I ended up marrying while I married into this proximity of whiteness. And my child is biracial now, so he's half white. And she says, I feel like this happened to me because I. I was taught a Semin assimilation. So what does that mean? There's a true movement out there. To have people come to this country and not assimilate, not want to be. Assimilation is like a bad word. Now, how did we get here?

[Senator Ron Johnson]

Well, it's interesting. You say, what does that mean? I don't understand all these smooth little phrases they throw out here, these radical left, progressives, socialists. They're really good. I ran against Mandela Barnes. He was incredibly smooth and slick, spouting all this stuff that it's almost. It's almost like music, you know, it's like. It just. It almost rhymes. And so. Oh, that's. But what does it mean? I have no idea what they're saying. Intersexuality, intersectionality, or, you know, I have no idea what any of these phrases mean, but it just rolls off their tongue. They sound intelligent. But what it means is they want to embrace a system that destroys economies, nations, results in the murder of people. That's what they're pushing. That's what people need to understand. That's not what's. What's being taught. What's being taught instead is just these smooth catchphrases, these slogans that, again, I honestly do not know what they're talking about.

[Tudor Dixon]

You are. No, you're so spot on here. So there was just a hot mic moment where they were talking to Abdul El Sayad, and this guy said, I love your campaign of no translation. Which is exactly what you're saying. You can't translate this. It means nothing. He said, I mean, what does even money out of politics mean? And they all just laughed. That is, how do we get there as Republicans to explain. These are just catchphrases. There's no meat behind that. And you commented on the media. The media is responsible for this. They have not called out, what are you even talking about? Money out of politics? And he says, I'm going to get it out of politics and put it in your pocket. The two things they don't even. That doesn't even happen.

[Senator Ron Johnson]

It sounds good, though, doesn't it?

[Tudor Dixon]

It sounds delightful.

[Senator Ron Johnson]

He's going to put money in my pockets. I'm for that. No, you know, again, unfortunately, unfortunately we have people now who've been educated through this public system, through these indoctrination institutions and they just don't think and they buy this stuff and you know, they're tied in their computer and with social media nowadays, you either watch kind of conservative leaning content or you're fed this socialist crap and they buy it. They're so used to those catchphrases, they don't know what they mean. I mean, you listen to some of these interviews, man on the street, like Jesse Waters or other people do, and they go up and they talk to these people that are just dead certain that they're for this candidate. And then you go, so what does this candidate stand for? What does this mean when they say this? What does that mean? I don't know. It's a really sad commentary. I love the movie Idiocracy. Unfortunately, it was prophetic.

[Tudor Dixon]

I think they even had Crocs in that movie where that was like before people were wearing how will people wear these stupid shoes? And then now everybody wears Crocs.

[Senator Ron Johnson]

Yeah, I don't. They'll stay on my feet.

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[Tudor Dixon]

That is the future of America right now is that people are just kind of mindlessly following because they are, they are coming out of these indoctrination cent. But honestly, I think that's not too far off from what we saw in this collision on Covid. And that's something that you've been dealing with with Dr. Fauci for the past week. And for the first time, some of those people who were defending him and on his side are now having to come to terms with the fact that this diary has come out and this diary is showing that there were things that were known. He knew that it didn't come from the wet market, and yet he still went out on television and said, we believe this came from a wet market and this was something that, that people just happened to consume and then it spread. There are a faction of Americans that say, were we actually creating a bioweapon? What was this? Some sort of a test to see if that could be made? And then ultimately it was released and we funded it and we funded it in China. Like, could any of these things possibly happen? But that's what we want answers to, and he's not answering.

[Senator Ron Johnson]

Bobby Kennedy's come out pretty strongly because I think Marty Makary said it earlier, is that there's pretty strong evidence that Lyme disease was created in a biolab. You know, let's face it, let's be honest. We're circumventing the conventions against the development of bioweapons. And we're doing it under the guise under the COVID of, oh, we're developing countermeasures to bioweapons. So in order to develop a countermeasure to bioweapon, we've got to develop one again. It's circular thinking, it's destructive thinking. It's insane what we're doing. I appreciate the fact that now the Trump administration, literally following in the footsteps of the Obama administration that created a moratorium on gain of function. You know, we're banning it and it should be banned in terms of government funding. We need to come up into conventions and ban it worldwide. If we didn't learn from this pandemic, we learned nothing. But it is so obvious that Anthony Fauci was funding gain of function research. When the 2014 moratorium was put in place, he circumvented it. And the biggest loophole was, well, if you're already doing gain of function research, continue to do it. Fauci was fully aware of Ralph Barrick, of Peter Dasak, of the Bat lady, of what was happening in Wuhan. He's fully aware of it, which is why he was freaking out at the end of January 2020, in early February 2020, when this was all coming about and the coronavirus had a fear and cleavage site, which is exactly what Ralph Barracks research was doing. So he gathered all these experts and what do you think of this? And really, to a person, they sound like, well, that fear and cleavage side kind of looks like it's man made. Oh, you know, he had to nip that in the bud quick. So he had all these conference calls over the course of a couple days, and lo and behold, these people who had gotten grants from Fauci in the past would get grants from Fauci in the future. All of a sudden, man made lab leak theory was a conspiracy theory. This had to spring from nature. And, you know, the proximate origin paper was written. Of course, now we know from the diaries that Anthony Fauci himself thought man made lab leak was certainly possible and that it definitely did not spring from the Wuhan Wet Market. So it's amazing. I think the most important revelation through all that, though. I mean, what Anthony Fauci did in his involvement in the creation of the coronavirus, that's certainly one of his sins. But how he became so powerful to direct the miserable response of the miserably failed response to Covid is his other sin. And it never had to happen. And now we know that from his diaries. He was predicting that COVID 19 would be about double a bad flu season. I'm not downplaying a bad flu season happens often. It floods hospitals. It's something to be concerned about. But something that's two times is worse. You know, double that rate would not justify shutting down the economy, destroying people's lives, destroying businesses. And yet he was going out to the public to convince the public to convince the president to shut the economy down, to create that economic devastation. He was saying it was going to be 10 times a flu season, you know, equating with, with SIRS, with SARS and MERS, and he, you know, never equated with, With Ebola. But again, that, that's, that's the fear that he was trying to instill in everybody, by the way, just like he did with aids. I, I got a lot of criticism for saying, yeah, he's fear mongering, scaremongering the coronavirus, just like he did aids. And then he denied it, and I got creamed in the media, but he did. I mean, he went on TV saying, well, be careful because this could be spread, you know, household proximity. No, couldn't be.

[Tudor Dixon]

He did. I saw the clip where he said, children in the household. And once again, children in the household can get this from being in proximity to someone who has it. That's what he said about aids and that's what he was telling us. I mean, I had four kids at the time in school and little kids in school at critical moments of learning, reading, writing and math, and they were sent home and. And you said he was trying to create this fear. Well, he was effectively creating a massive fear and working with teachers unions and other organizations to say, we're going to keep the school shut down, economy, all of these things. I mean, one sector after another, there was massive damage and damage that will last well into the future because of our schools being shut down and the information that our kids missed, the learning that our children missed during that time, and some schools longer than other school. The question that I think most of us have is, will you be able to get to the bottom of it? I know that he has this immunity. He won't speak. And even if. I mean, at this point, I think most Americans are like, obviously there's not going to be jail time or something for Anthony Fauci, but how do we prevent this from ever happening again? How do we know how the government used our tax dollars and how the government was weaponized against us? Even to the point where I know there are doctors in the state of Michigan who lost their license because they gave iverme and hydroxychloroquine. How the heck did they get away with doing that?

[Senator Ron Johnson]

Well, the way you counter it is you expose the truth and you remind people. As much as people don't want to be reminded, trust me, people just want to forget Covid. They want to move on. We can't let them move on. We've got to remind them of the absurdity of these things. Why did you possibly go along with this? Anthony Fauci said, well, masks won't work all of a sudden. Well, you have to have a mask. Well, you got to have double masks. I mean, did you had young children? You know how absurd it was to mask up children? You know how absurd it was. You have to have a mask on to enter the restaurant, Then you can take it off to eat. I mean, again, this was just pandemic theater across the board, okay? So you've got to remind people the absurdity of that. Now, again, people don't like the kid who said, the emperor has no clothes, right, because they all feel like fools. So that's part of the problem we're dealing with here is people don't want to admit how they should not have listened to him, okay? They should not have believed in these experts, these self proclaimed experts, you know, Mr. Science. And so I've been doing oversight on Covid now for six years under the Biden administration. We didn't get any information. 0zip. With Bobby Kennedy and HHS, it's still hard to get it because the agencies, a lot of those people are still there that are still responsible. So they're doing everything they can to sabotage his commitment to radical transparency. But he got so disgusted, turned them over documents. 11 million pages. And that wasn't. Those folks that turned over 11 million pages weren't trying to be helpful. They're trying to deluge us with information. Fortunately, I've got a good staff. Small, but good. And, you know, we found out that Peter Marks knew that his algorithm was gonna hide safety signals that senior FDA officials. This is three months after the emergency use authorization March of 2021. They were shown in consecutive months dozens of safety signals, including sudden cardiac death, pulmonary infarction, different types of strokes, Bell's palsy. And to this day, those agencies are still hiding it.

[Tudor Dixon]

And this is from the vaccine, you're saying?

[Senator Ron Johnson]

Yeah, from the injection is what I call it. And Tudor, I issued this report. I had a hearing on these findings, on this revelation of what I consider the biggest government scandal of my lifetime. Yeah, I've been on shows like this. I've been interviewed on shows at Fox and Fox Business, Newsmax, that type of thing. I have not had one major newspaper or major broadcast network treat this as news. Including Fox News. Including Fox. They've never run. My report is a news story now. I'm grateful the fact they're covering the Fauci hearing and his contempt charges as news, because it is news. It's big news. But there are so many more people who are complicit in this, who are culpable, who did as many bad things, maybe not as big of bad things, or as directly responsible for them, but participate in them. They need to be held accountable as well.

[Tudor Dixon]

Do you believe that Anthony Fauci was preventing people from using hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin so that he could experiment with MRNA shots? I guess they're not vaccines. I don't know what exactly that we were injected with, but Was this just Mr. Science experimenting again?

[Senator Ron Johnson]

I think there are a group of people who did that. I mean, Rick Bright was the guy who wrote the hospital protocol, pretty well tanked. Hydroxychloroquine, if you remember, that surgisphere study had to be retracted in two weeks because it's completely based on false data, made up data. So, no, there was a concerted effort to sabotage use hydroxychloroquine, then ivermectin, other things as well. All in favor of remdesivir, which nurses called run Death is near. Also got an emergency use authorization after Anthony Fauci's NIH changed the endpoint of the study from mortality to days of recovery. Continue to recommend that as the standard of care, even though it's knocking out people's kidneys. When the WHO in November of 2020 recommended not to use remdesivir for treating Covid, but that was our standard care. Hospitals made a bundle on it. Of course, treatment for remdesivir was over $3,000, whereas ivermectin hydroxytroxychloroquine cost cents, pennies to make. Okay, so now it costs more expensive because it's very difficult to get.

[Tudor Dixon]

But no, I'll tell you.

[Senator Ron Johnson]

And again, the reason they tanked it is if you had infective treatment, you could not get an emergency use authorization for the gene therapy injection, the experimental injection. And that was always his goal in 2019. In October at a Milken institute, he and Rick Bright were bemoaning the fact that we don't have a universal vaccination campaign. Flu season just doesn't do it. We need a pandemic. Well, they got their pandemic and they got their experimental MRNA injection.

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[Tudor Dixon]

Let me ask you about that because there has been a lot of concern that Bill Gates was somehow involved in this. And Senator Rand Paul tweeted out that he had security clearance that no random person outside of a government employee would have. Why would that be?

[Senator Ron Johnson]

Yeah, I think Bill Gates is fully complicit in all this. I mean, he bought his way into these global public health institutions and controls them as a result. And he's pushed vaccines. He made a bundle off of his investment in Biontech, you know, the producer, the partner with Pfizer in their MRNA vaccine. Gee, isn't he prescient? So he's been pushing vaccines. I mean, he's been involved in science, you know, that he should not be involved in. He's not qualified for that, I think could be extremely detrimental to public health, including the MRNA injection.

[Tudor Dixon]

I hear people complain constantly that they don't think that Secretary Kennedy is the right person to be involved in science, but they don't complain about Bill Gates. Is it just a lack of knowledge? Why do they not complain that this guy has invested, Owned it, owns us and our medical care?

[Senator Ron Johnson]

I can't explain it. Generally the left hates rich guys. Yeah, they fully embraced Bill Gates. I can't explain it. I wish they wouldn't.

[Tudor Dixon]

So the. So will we ever get to the bottom of why we had the health department controlling schools, why we had fake rules? I mean, you talk about the masks. We also had social distancing, which was totally bogus. And you look at this, this diary now and it makes me so angry because I think about all the leftists who yelled at us and screamed at us if we weren't six feet away. And we had, we had arrows in the floor of the grocery store, which way you could walk. I mean the cost of this alone, the cost of the BS rules for everybody. I mean, you talk about giving kids masks. I had to buy the disposable masks. And I can remember every morning stopping in the parking lot at school, affixing the mask to every one of my kids faces as they went off into school. My, I remember my daughter very clearly. She had. They started the school year with new teachers, obviously. And it was probably six months into the school year. And she said, mom, my teacher's mask came down today and his face looks nothing like what I thought. I had no idea what he looked like. And I thought, for six months this child's been in school and had no idea what her teacher looked like.

[Senator Ron Johnson]

Yeah, no, it's sick. Well, first of all, we already have gotten to the bottom of it. You know, now we know. You know, we had a megalomaniacal narcissist. Anthony Fauci, gained all this power, all this fame and used that fame. He was power hungry. He wanted to shut down the economy. He and Dr. Birx, they wanted to shut it down. I remember I was on a Senate conference call, all senators, Republicans and Democrats, with Fauci, other people in the White House. And this is when he was talking about shutdowns. And I asked the question. I said, Dr. Fauci, are you. Are you taking consideration the human toll, the economic devastation of these shutdowns? He just blithely answered, senator, that's somebody else's department. I remember when I was vilified in the media and by Anthony Fauci when I made the comparison to the fact that we tragically lose tens of thousands of people on the highways every year. You don't shut them down. You can't shut down a transportation system. And from the pointing the White House, he goes, oh, that comment, that's way out. No, it was actually a pretty good analogy. And again, now we know he didn't even think that Covid was going to be 10 times worse than a bad flu season. He thought it would maybe be double, which again, is serious. I'm not downplaying. I'm not downplaying the deaths again. I think the number of deaths was grossly overstated because of the PRC test, because of the incentives, the financial incentives hospitals were granted. And we've heard cases, people die in a motorcycle accident. Ah, but they test positive for Covid. It's COVID death. So again, I think we grossly overstated it, but let's face it, we did have. We went from about 2.9 million deaths per year to about 3.4 million the year the pandemic. By the way, once we had the vaccine, number of Deaths went to 3.5, then came down to 3.3. They claimed that the vaccine, the injection, saved 3.2 million lives in 2021, 2022. I'd pretty well disproven that with just that basic math. If you would have saved. If you would have, in order to save that number of lives in 21, 2022, you'd have to assume we were going to go from 2.9 million deaths before the pandemic to 3.4, and then to 5 million deaths in 2021 and 2022. By the way, the pandemic number of cases was already dramatically coming down by early 2021. Then we started vaccinating the population. We started getting different variants, which is exactly what Geert Van Den Bosch warned us about. The worst thing you can do in the midst of a pandemic is mass vaccination, because you drive. You create variants. Is that what prolonged the pandemic? Because all of a sudden you had Delta, then you had Omicron? I don't know. Would that happen without that countermeasure? I don't know. It's a legitimate concern, legitimate theory. That, of course, is also dismissed because again, the mainstream media, they are back on that experimental gene therapy 100%.

[Tudor Dixon]

Well, that's what I know. I know that the American people want to know, or they should want to know, how did this, first of all, how did we end up funding this? And did we fund essentially a bioweapon? Did we have doctors in there or scientists in there creating this disease that killed millions of people across the globe? And it sounds like we did, and it sounds like we are potentially doing this in other places. How do we ensure that has stopped? And then you talk about this weaponization of government against doctors and against, against all of the American people. But you also talked about the bureaucracy, and that's why what you said at the beginning is so critical. We cannot just forget about COVID and move on. To me, it's why your role is so important in the Senate and people like you that say, no, we're going to keep tracking this down and we're not going to let it go because it's something that think the average person does think about today. But you are out there preventing this from happening again. So on behalf of the common sense Americans, thank you for doing this. Thank you for continuing to do this, because it could happen again and it doesn't have to. I think the most important thing you said is this didn't have to happen and you can stop it from happening

[Senator Ron Johnson]

again, and we have to. And you know, I think I'm going to be holding a public event. I'm not going to hold a hearing because I don't want Democrats degrading my witnesses. Okay. Or denigrating them. But I'm going to be holding an event on the hospital protocols and the families of loved ones who they couldn't even say goodbye to. And I'm getting the testimonies now. They are just heart wrenching. So stay tuned for that. That'll be September 28th. And again, that's to me, what was most profoundly sad. My first daughter had transposition of the great arteries. Eight months of life. Her heart open heart surgery was re baffled. Her heart operates backwards, but she's 42 years old. So I have a reverence for doctors and for nurses. They gave my daughter a life to watch the medical establishment follow Anthony Fauci like sheep. They'll suspend their critical thinking and push remdesivir into people's veins when they said they didn't want it. Slap them on ventilators, deny them access to Ivermectin. There's a attorney who represented these families. Of the roughly half of the hundred cases he won, only two people died. Of the half that he lost, they all died. Again, all these families are asking, would you please just give my loved one Ivermectin? Would you try some of these other protocols? The hospitals just go, no. One of the testimonies of a husband went into the hospital to bring his wife home. Hospital administrators called the police. Six hour standoff until his wife finally said, am I a patient or a prisoner? And fortunately, that hospital admitted, well, we're not going to keep you as a prisoner. Other hospitals did, and people needlessly died, you know, because they weren't given those safe, effective generic drugs. Again, this is. This cannot be repeated.

[Tudor Dixon]

No, no. And maybe even though Anthony Fauci can't be held accountable for this, I mean, Gretchen Whitmer did the same thing. She told doctors, you cannot prescribe Ivermectin. And like I said, she had the police show up and take away their license, take away their business, take away. The government went and took away business from people who saved lives. They proved that they saved lives, and she still had their business taken away. And I believe that that should be stopped. Someone who does that should be held accountable. And I appreciate what you're doing. Senator Ron Johnson, thank you so much for coming on today.

[Senator Ron Johnson]

Thanks for having me on.

[Tudor Dixon]

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