Hour 1 - The Best of Clay and Buck

Summary

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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Hour 1 – The Best of Clay and Buck
Date: May 25, 2026
Host: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

This episode is a lively "best of" compilation from The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, focusing on two major themes:

1. A spirited debate (with listener engagement) about the greatest military maneuvers in history, blending humor, deep historical knowledge, and crowd-sourced opinions.
2. An in-depth discussion with Navy SEAL veteran and podcast host David Rutherford about President Trump's executive order to allow veterans access to experimental psychedelic therapies for PTSD and the broader implications for veteran mental health care.

The tone throughout is conversational, passionate, and sprinkled with humor and personal anecdotes.

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1. The Greatest Military Maneuvers in History

(Main segment: 02:36–16:15, continues 18:47–21:00)

Key Points & Discussion

• Trigger for Discussion:
  Clay and Buck open with President Trump's claim that the naval blockade of Iranian ships was "the greatest military maneuver of all time." Both hosts gently rib the idea and use it to launch a bigger conversation on historic military tactics (02:36).

• Civil War Focus:

  • Chancellorsville (Confederacy):
    • Buck praises Lee's split of Confederate forces and Stonewall Jackson's flank march at Chancellorsville as a top contender (02:48–03:35).

      "Lee splitting his troops, sending Stonewall Jackson on a flank march... nearly obliterate the entirety of the Union army..."
      – Buck Sexton (02:49)

  • Vicksburg (Union):
    • Clay is challenged by listeners for omitting Grant’s siege at Vicksburg. Buck provides context on its strategic importance—severing the Confederacy’s use of the Mississippi River (03:56–04:37).

      "Not giving a siege the love here... Clay's a cavalry guy."
      – Buck Sexton (04:37)

    • Further listener input highlights debate on defining "maneuver" versus "siege" or "deception." Clay likens it to splitting hairs over what counts as a war movie (07:51–07:59).
    • Notable moves by Grant at Shiloh are also referenced as possibly more impressive personally for Buck (08:06–08:14).

• Listener Contributions (06:33–11:58):

  • Patton as Decoy Before Normandy:
    • Dismissed by Clay and Buck as primarily an intelligence victory instead of a battlefield maneuver (06:57–07:27).
  • Siege of Yorktown (Revolutionary War, with French help):
    • Clay and Buck give major credit to French intervention at Yorktown, making for funny cross-Atlantic banter (08:40–09:35).

      "I think, without General Lafayette, I don’t think Yorktown happens the way we want it to."
      – Clay Travis (09:11)

  • Dunkirk Evacuation:
    • Discussed as "an incredible save," not a maneuver; humorous Miami evacuation scenario imagined (09:35–10:35).
  • Little Round Top, Gettysburg:
    • Listener highlights Joshua Chamberlain’s defense and "swinging door" charge as war-changing (11:28–11:55). Buck and Clay reminisce about Killer Angels and its depiction.
  • 20th Century Examples:
    • Buck nominates MacArthur's landing at Inchon (Korean War) for its operational feat (12:57–13:24).
    • Battle of the Bulge/Bastogne showcased for Patton’s relief maneuver (13:36–14:45), including the famous "Nuts!" response (14:45).
    • The use of the atomic bomb at Nagasaki is pointed out as a monumental "maneuver," notably for its effect if not for minimal American effort (15:09–15:58).

• Military Luck and Historical Context:

  • Buck and Clay agree that luck is as pivotal as brilliance in military history; cite Midway as an example of luck making a difference (19:47–20:00).
  • Ancient examples, like Hannibal’s fog-enshrouded ambush at Lake Trasimene and Napoleon’s ice lake trap, are humorously recounted (20:00–20:56).

Memorable Quotes

• "D Day happened. Like, D Day is kind of a big maneuver."
  – Buck Sexton (07:13)
• "I think we've got one of those here... New Berlin, Wisconsin, talking about just what Buck said with Patton during World War II."
  – Clay Travis (13:59)
• "The dropping of [the atomic bomb] from the American perspective was a product of maximum effort, not a minimum one."
  – Buck Sexton (15:35)
• "We could do a three-hour show just talking about old battles."
  – Clay Travis (18:51)

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2. Psychedelics for Veterans’ PTSD: Executive Order and Expert Guide

(Main segment: 21:00–35:29)

Key Points & Insights

• Context:

  • Trump’s executive order, spurred by a Stanford University study and Joe Rogan’s encouragement, enables research and use of psychedelic therapies (notably ibogaine) for veteran PTSD (21:35–22:30, 32:15).
  • Dave "Rut" Rutherford, Navy SEAL veteran and podcast host, joins to detail both the breakthrough and lived experience (21:00–35:38).

• Psychedelic Therapy Explained:

  • Ibogaine:
    • Derived from an African root; used in rituals and by modern veterans for extended, intensive therapeutic experiences (22:51).
    • "8 to 24 hour revelatory experience... rerouting neural pathways by turning on aspects of their brain that essentially just haven’t been in use..."
      – David Rutherford (23:10)
    • Popularized via the VETS program, often sought in Mexico due to U.S. restrictions.
    • Example: Netflix documentary Waves of War shows Navy SEALs’ experiences (24:10).
    • Efficacy: Stanford study reports ~80–90% symptom reduction in depression and anxiety within a month (22:20, reiterated 25:00).
    • Noted for being non-addictive, but can cause vomiting, confusion, and has some cardiac risk—hence must be medically supervised (27:11).
  • Other Psychedelics:
    • 5-MeO-DMT (from Sonoran Desert toads), psilocybin, ketamine, MDMA—all noted as promising modalities for trauma, with research at top institutions (30:59–31:59).

• Challenges & Broader Application:

  • Stigma from decades of drug prohibition still impedes U.S. research and deployment.
  • Executive order is seen as a “breaching charge” against bureaucracy, opening the door for wider research and possible application to first responders and trauma survivors beyond the military (29:16–32:00).

Memorable Quotes

• "This isn’t your recreational... I began as an experience most people who go through it will never want to do again. It's really powerful, it's really intense."
  – David Rutherford (27:11)
• "Psychedelics are not addictive. Right? They don't cause any stroke, they don't cause any of these other prompts."
  – David Rutherford (27:41)
• "This could be... the greatest thing that we've seen, President Trump, or any president for that matter, truly taking a focus on what it means to take care of the mental and medical health of a generation that you asked to go to war for 22 straight years."
  – David Rutherford (33:28)
• "Operator syndrome is not gaining traction within the VA... When Trump comes out and does this... it’s phenomenal."
  – David Rutherford (32:42)

Notable Moments

• David Rutherford shares stories of personal friends (SEALs) whose lives and families were saved thanks to psychedelic treatments after everything else failed (24:48–26:20).
• Discussion pivots to the need for the VA and Big Pharma to accept and support these novel interventions (29:00–30:59).
• Clay and Buck herald the breakneck speed at which the Trump administration acted after Rogan’s outreach (32:15–32:42).

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3. Political Talkback & Listener Banter

(Segment: 38:46–40:41)

Key Points

• Mary in San Antonio and Keith in Phoenix call in for a lighter political exchange.
  • Mary looks forward to the “entertainment value” if Kamala Harris were to debate candidates like Marco Rubio or J.D. Vance (39:15).
  • Keith offers tongue-in-cheek betting advice to Buck about switching steak bets with Clay to Red Lobster, referencing their ongoing jovial wager rivalry (39:44).

Quotes

• “The only reason I’d want Kamala to run is so we could be entertained during the debates.”
  – Mary, listener (39:15)

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4. Timestamps of Important Segments

| Timestamp | Segment Description | | --------- | ------------------ | | 02:36 | Start of military maneuver discussion | | 04:37 | Vicksburg vs. Chancellorsville debate | | 08:06 | Grant’s gunboats at Vicksburg, Shiloh action | | 09:03 | Yorktown and French involvement | | 11:28 | Battle of Gettysburg, Little Round Top | | 12:57 | 20th century nominations (Inchon, Bulge) | | 14:19 | Battle of the Bulge / Patton’s relief | | 15:09 | Atomic bomb as a military maneuver | | 19:47 | Luck in military history / Midway | | 21:00 | Veterans’ mental health and ibogaine segment begins | | 23:10 | Ibogaine therapy details and efficacy stats | | 27:11 | Risks and safety of psychedelic therapy | | 29:16 | Personal story of SEAL using ibogaine | | 32:15 | Trump administration’s rapid action on executive order | | 38:47 | Listener talkback on political matchups & wagers |

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5. Recap & Takeaways

Military History

• Clay and Buck showcase enthusiasm for history, engaging listeners on defining and ranking strategic military maneuvers from the Civil War to WWII, through the Korean War, and even ancient battles. They highlight that war is shaped as much by luck as by genius and invite continued audience participation for future sessions.

Veterans’ Mental Health

• The show shifts seamlessly into a deep-dive on innovative approaches to treating PTSD, spotlighting legislative action, personal testimonials, and the potential to transform veteran and first responder care through psychedelics. David Rutherford bridges expert experience and empathy, making the complex topic accessible.

Political Levity

• Listener contributions keep things light and interactive, with friendly jabs about political matchups and Clay and Buck’s wager history creating a sense of community.

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Overall Tone:
Smart, humorous, deeply curious—a show for news and history buffs, and anyone invested in policy and the well-being of veterans.

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For More:

• Listen to David Rutherford’s upcoming show for an in-depth look at ibogaine therapy ([34:07])
• The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show continues this style of lively historical and current affairs talk, driven by both hosts and their audience.

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Transcript

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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President Trump said that the blockade of Iranian ships was the greatest military maneuver of all time and he's a humble guy.

[Clay Travis]

He's a humble guy.

[Buck Sexton]

I would submit that it's nowhere near the greatest military maneuver of all time. I appreciate President Trump's enthusiasm for the blockade. And I tossed out that I thought Chancellorsville Lee splitting his troops, for those of you that are military historians, and sending Stonewall Jackson on a flank march to completely obliterate the right flank of Joseph Hooker's army and nearly, nearly obliterate the entirety of the Union army in Chancellorsville. Buck. This was the final major battle before Lee embarked on his invasion that led to the battle of Gettysburg. For those of you that are military history nerds like me and I also.

[Clay Travis]

I gotta ask you something, buddy.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

I mean I know you're from Tennessee, so you know, you're General Lee. Amazing tactician. All this stuff. Grant's Vicksburg campaign. I got someone reach out to me via email and said I can't believe he would just skip over Grants. Textbook war changing victory at Vicksburg in 1863.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. So this is again interesting, Buck. July 4th, 1863, if I'm remembering correctly, Vicksburg surrendered to Grant, which severed the Confederacy's ability to transit the Mississippi river with men and materiel, thereby helping to further strangle the Confederacies with the blockade that was in place on the eastern seaboard and the Gulf to completely give control of the Mississippi river to the United States. Huge win. Brilliant tactical victory. It's a siege.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, wow. Not giving a siege the love here. Not he. Clay's a cavalry guy. You could tell here he likes the a, he likes the, the, the display

[Buck Sexton]

of the cavalry coming into smart moves. But if I'm remembering correctly, Grant was going up against Pemberton. Pemberton was a weak strategic opponent. I actually am more impressed with Sherman and his attack on Atlanta, which took far longer to put in place than and. And really won Lincoln the 1864 election. Because if he hadn't taken Atlanta. Possibility that McClellan's crazy story. McClellan, who Lincoln picked as his initial general, ran against him on the. On the 1864 campaign.

[Clay Travis]

But ending the war, right?

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. But think about how crazy. You know, we always talk about how there's read up on the 1864 presidential campaign. There's a great book on it. Think about how crazy it is that. That Lincoln's chosen initial head of the army ran against him as a Democrat on the platform of I'm going to end the war.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah. I also, I also respect that Sherman on his way. I know it was very rough. He was very rough, Mr. Sherman. But he got outside of Savannah and they were like, he's like, well, this is a really pretty town. I'm gonna. I'm gonna not take. Take this place to task. Kind of left Savannah, and there's a big monument or a plaque to him in downtown Savannah that basically attests to this. Where they were like, hey, hey, Savannah is a nice town. Let's not get crazy.

[Buck Sexton]

So also didn't burn it down, which. Which there was a thought that was going to be completely destroyed because they started the Civil War in Charleston by firing on Fort Sumner.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, all right, let's. Let's. Let's get this. Because we have all these people that. Yeah, yeah, let's get to these talk backs here. We. You want to do for list here from a Michael in Toledo, Ohio. I would say that the greatest military action was when they placed Patton in eastern England as a decoy for the invasion of Europe. Units were not committed to Normandy because

[Buck Sexton]

they were still expecting the real invasion

[Clay Travis]

to be Patton in Holland. I'm going to throw a flag on this. That's an intelligence. That's a deception and intelligence victory, not a, like, tactical brilliant maneuver, which is what we're really talking about.

[Buck Sexton]

That's 100% right. Also, even if that were not the case, and I agree with you, D Day happened like, D Day is kind of a big maneuver. That was.

[Clay Travis]

I think you got to go. D Day, Not. Not putting Patton as a decoy.

[Buck Sexton]

That's a part of the decoy. Was more successful than D Day itself. Come on, Michael. You can do better. Chris in Nashville.

[Clay Travis]

Hey, Clay. Stonewall Jackson's flanking maneuver at Chancellorsville was a brilliant tactician move. But if you want to talk about strategies and strategies in civil war, Vicksburg campaign by Grant would be the best one ever done in that era.

[Buck Sexton]

I got a few people reached out.

[Clay Travis]

You're. Now you're putting that in the siege category. This is almost like, is it an action movie or a war movie? Like, you start to split hairs a bit.

[Buck Sexton]

And some people are going to say, well, they had to get to the siege by the maneuvers that Grant made to get to the siege.

[David Rutherford]

Yeah, didn't he.

[Clay Travis]

Like, he. He floated the gunboats at night through. And, you know, there was some. There was some serious skill that Grant displayed to win at Vicksburg.

[Buck Sexton]

Grant, to me, the most impressive move of Grant was actually at Shiloh when he wasn't in charge. He may have saved the entire Union army when they were basically in the mix, midst of a dead panic. Grant at Shiloh, I think, is maybe his most impressive. It wasn't the commander of the entire army. But that's when he started to get the attention of Lincoln to realize this guy could be a difference maker. Eric.

[Clay Travis]

Eric from New Jersey listening on W O R of nyc Hit C. All right, Clay and Buck, this is Eric from New Jersey. The siege at Yorktown. Because without that, then the United States never would have been born. I'm going to get a little trouble here. I'm going to get a little trouble here. I think, I think Yorktown. I think the French. Take the bow on that one. I'm just going to say it.

[Buck Sexton]

I think without French, America's 250th year. Buck Sexton gives credit to France for the victory.

[Clay Travis]

May we be. I think, without the General Lafayette, I don't think Yorktown happens the way we want it to.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, I will have to sign off a little bit here. For Buck was the French fleet off the coast of Yorktown that marooned Cornwallis and kept him from being able to evacuate.

[Clay Travis]

Without that French fleet, it does not. A full stop does not happen the way that it happened.

[Buck Sexton]

And we're talking about the greatest American maneuver but Dunkirk, because it's making me think about rescuing.

[Clay Travis]

To me, that's, that's, that's like saving your ass from the fire. I don't know about that. Like, that's just.

[Buck Sexton]

That is.

[Clay Travis]

That's a goal line stand.

[Buck Sexton]

You and I were. The America were not involved in Dunkirk. But that is maybe one of the most incredible saves of forgetting.

[Clay Travis]

Think of how. I think of how dumb the British had no, no backup plan for this. They had their entire. Almost lost their entire army in one fell swoop. I mean, that was not, by the way, I mean, not the first time this had happened to them. It was like a replay of World War I. They can't figure this out.

[Buck Sexton]

Think about how incredible I think. It's a story that doesn't get told enough. They just got on the basic radio and said, hey, if you have a fishing boat, you got to go save the British army. You're talking about guys risking everything. Just random guys in fishing boats went and got as many soldiers as.

[Clay Travis]

Let me tell you, if that, if that call went out of Miami, those troops would be like, I've never seen so many beautiful, scantily clad women in my life.

[Buck Sexton]

I will be a bunch of bikini

[Clay Travis]

babes on those boats.

[Buck Sexton]

But I would say people won't get on those boats. There's risk they'll. They'll mutiny.

[Clay Travis]

Dave and Dave in Idaho. Yes. I think the greatest victory for the United States was the Siege of Vicksburg. It ensured that the Union would win the Civil War and the rest is history. Confederacy not getting. Not getting love here. Clay not getting love.

[Buck Sexton]

War message board where they were like, we're going to flood Clay and Buck. Vicksburg's not getting enough attention.

[Clay Travis]

I got separately. People were just lighting me up. They're like, how dare you let Clay not throw. I'm just telling you, people are all about Vicksburg.

[Buck Sexton]

General Grant, Russ in Northern Maine. By the way, that was Dave in Idaho, because I think I talked over the first time Buck tried to give him credit. This is Russ in Northern Maine podcast

[David Rutherford]

E. Hey, Clay and Buck. This is Russ in Northern Maine. The greatest battlefield tactic ever was performed by Joshua Chamberlain and the 20th Maine during the Battle of Gettysburg when. When they were defending the left flank on Little Round Top, ran out of ammunition and performed a maneuver that Joshua Chamberlain would later call the swinging door, where they pivoted, swept down the mountain, and kept the rebels from breaching the left flank, which had they failed, likely would have lost Gettysburg, which likely would

[Buck Sexton]

have lost the war.

[Clay Travis]

Clay, the floor is yours. What do you make of it?

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, it's a great. I mean, for those of you who have not seen the Battle of Gettysburg movie, if you want to watch a movie. Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain, played by Jeff Daniels in a wide range from Dumb and Dumber to the future governor of Maine leading a regiment in the Civil War. Phenomenal movie based on Buck. I told people to read this Killer Angels.

[Clay Travis]

Great book, Great book.

[Buck Sexton]

Which also takes you into this individual charge. It's a great one. I guess when I'm thinking of military maneuvers, I'm thinking when I gave the Chancellorsville example, I said, bigger than a regiment. Bigger. Bigger than a brigade. Like an army style movement as the sort of test for this.

[Clay Travis]

My honest.

[Buck Sexton]

The.

[Clay Travis]

The two that came to mind for me. But I'm. I'm not as. I'm not as much of a Civil War guy as Clay is. Obviously. I'm. I, I tend to be 20th century focused on battles or 16th century Mediterranean, but that's a whole other conversation.

[Buck Sexton]

You skip the 400 years in between.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, I just, I just, I pick them as I pick them. You know, I'm like, I like this like that. But I would say MacArthur's landing at Inchon to effectively cap recapture Seoul 1950, turn that war around. People forget we were. There was a real consideration of using nukes against China then because the Chinese came across the Yalu River.

[Buck Sexton]

I know nothing about the Korean. I know nothing about that at all.

[Clay Travis]

It's a completely. It's almost like a forgotten war, which, of course, the echoes of it still haunt us today because of the separation between north and South Korea. But would have all been North Korea, would have all been this Chinese

[Buck Sexton]

sort

[Clay Travis]

of, you know, mutant regime fiefdom that they. That they have now of the. Of the Kim regime. But the landing at Inchon was an incredible maneuver to pull off and change the whole trajectory of that war. The other one would be, what is it, Bastogne? The Battle of the Bulge to turn that around.

[Buck Sexton]

I think we've got one of those here.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, hit us. Hit us with that one.

[Buck Sexton]

Pierre and I love these. I'm curious how many of you are also history nerds on different levels like Buck and ir, different parts of history. I love these talk backs because a lot of people in the audience are. Pierre in New Berlin. New Berlin, Wisconsin, talking about just what Buck said with Patton during World War II.

[Clay Travis]

G. Yeah, a lot of people missed the Battle of the Bulge where Patton did 180 degree turn to rescue the troops at Bastogne.

[Buck Sexton]

But the other part of that battle that was so cool was, you know,

[Clay Travis]

we couldn't kill the German tanks, we

[Buck Sexton]

couldn't use our air power. So we just blew up all the fuel and conquered the fuel at Stabilo fuel dumps. Basically the Germans walked home and left their tanks. Brilliant.

That's the great response when they tried to get the American. Was it, Matt? Anthony Wayne to surrender. And he said, nuts. That was his official response when the Germans demanded surrender. Great story there. One more and then we'll go to break. And there's tons of these. We'll keep playing them off and on. Podcast listener Alex in West Palm Beach.

[Clay Travis]

F. This is Alex in West Palm Beach. The greatest military maneuver was the use of the atom bomb on Nagasaki, Japan. It proved that we could do it again. Additionally, it brought the Japanese to the surrender table. It caused the Emperor of Japan to go on the radio and tell all of his people to lay down your arms. It was maximum effect for minimal effort. That's a very interesting take, but like, damn, Adam's rough.

[Buck Sexton]

Also like nukem, I would say the Manhattan Project was maximum effort, maybe not minimum effort. I mean, coming up with the atomic bomb, kind of a big undertaking. So the actual dropping of it from the American perspective, I would say was. Was a product of a maximum effort, not a minimum one, but it was

[Clay Travis]

maximum casualties for minimum on our side. You can certainly say that part of it. See, look at how much. Look at how much fun this stuff. By the way, you guys are all lighting up our inboxes and stuff with this. We got to do like also favorite war book day or something on the show.

[Buck Sexton]

This is great by the way, all these different all these different discussions and we've got tons more. But I wanted to give some flavor for everybody who got into the talkback.

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[Buck Sexton]

You're listening to the best of Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.

[Clay Travis]

Hope you enjoyed our conversation there about all things military. If you want to weigh in on that at the end, we'll put that out as a separate little podcast for you guys to listen to over the weekend if you you missed it or you want to re listen and send us more your thoughts. Clay and I could do this all day. We could do a three hour show just talking about old battles. It'd be fun. But we have Here we go. VIP email from Court. This is funny. All everyone's like talk about gas prices and politics and then every email and every talk back is best American military maneuvers. VIP email from Jeff. Hey guys. The battle of Midway changed the war in the Pacific. Jeff Very true. What we take Clay three Japanese carriers down, I think and but here's my thing about Midway. First of all, the movie kind of sucked, which is a shame. It should have been good. It's not a good movie. Wait, how do you make a bad movie about such a critical battle with planes and battleships and you know, carry or carriers at least. Anyway, we kind of got lucky at Midway.

[Buck Sexton]

Like we almost to be fair, much of military history is not only the story of sometimes brilliance, but often just the other side being totally oh, better lucky than good.

[Clay Travis]

Is a big is a big part of it. You know, some of I think it was Lake Trasimene where Hannibal managed to ambush Roman legions in an annihilation that he only surpassed with Cana, which 60,000 people with spears and swords and you know, killed in one day. But the double envelopment. But at Trasimane there was a thick fog. Clay. Well, if you're going to ambush people, having a thick fog by the lake helps a lot.

[Buck Sexton]

What about yeah, speaking of thick fog, what about Napoleon setting the trap of all of the soldiers walking out onto the frozen lake and not being aware that they were walking onto a frozen lake. And so when the bombardment started, they all just completely fell through the ice and got utterly routed again. It was a trap that was an incredible trap to have set, but also kind of a big failure on the other side to put yourself in that position.

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[Clay Travis]

We are joined by David Rutherford. He is host of the David Rutherford show on the Clay and Buck Podcast network, which is growing month after month after month. The more of you find out about it, the more of you are die hard listeners. He's also a former Navy seal, saw combat in Afghanistan. We call him Rut, by the way. Mr. Rut, great to have you on, sir.

[David Rutherford]

Thank you, gentlemen. It is a glorious day to be on with Clay and Buck today. I gotta tell you, big things are happening for the veterans community right now.

[Clay Travis]

Yes, they are. In fact, let's have the big guy himself lay out some of this and then I want to have you react to it. We're talking here about a Trump executive order, everybody, to help with veterans via psychedelic treatment for ptsd. This is what Trump said when he was signing this executive order. And Dave, we'll have you a rut. We'll have you respond to this. This is cut. Six guys play it.

[David Rutherford]

In 2024 study from Stanford University, 30 special operation veterans with traumatic brain injuries underwent. It's called ibogaine treatment. Ibogaine, remember the name. Is that pronounced relatively properly, what you say? Yes, I don't want to get it wrong. Ibogaine, because it's so important. And experienced an 80 to 90% reduction in symptoms of depression and anxiety within one month. Can I have some, please? I'll take some.

[Clay Travis]

I'll take whatever it takes care of what you do.

[David Rutherford]

I don't have time to be depressed. You know, if you stay busy enough, maybe that works too. That's what I do.

[Clay Travis]

All right, Rut, Ibogaine. Talk to us about this. How big a deal is it? What do you know about people that have used it? Go for it.

[David Rutherford]

So the biggest thing that everybody has to understand is that the epidemic of suicides within our special operations community and our regular veteran community are off the charts. The whole number of 22 do a day, it's way more than that. It's gotten progressively worse over time. We saw a massive uptick in suicides addictions, both alcoholism and pharmaceutical addiction. Post Covid again, initially, the numbers are through the roof. And so there's been this great breakthrough treatment down run by Marcus Capone and his team called the vets program, where guys were going down to Mexico, they had discovered this, you know, some as far as, you know, eight, nine, 10 years ago. And what they would do is they would take ibogaine, which is from an alkaloid root over in the central West African area. They turn this into a liquid or they smoke it, and then they have this anywhere from 8 to 24 hour revelatory experience where basically they're doing is they're rerouting neural pathways by turning on aspects of their brain that essentially just haven't been in use because of all the exposure from long term training and deployments as well as the impacts on that physiolog and through behavioral health stuff which ultimately a lot of people, a lot of us are calling the operator syndrome. So they started going down and they had this revelatory experience. You can find a great documentary on Netflix called Waves of War where three Navy SEALs go through the process, including Marcus Capone. Talks about his process and how it saved his life, it saved his marriage, it saved him as a father, basically rerouting and bringing back neuroplasticity so he can have a better, more productive life as a result of the impact that he experienced through exposure. So, but it's been, you know, a schedule, class schedule, one drug along with all other psychedelics. That's psilocybin, that's lsd, that's ayahuasca. All these drugs that were just completely demonized and as the countercultural revolution got started in the late 1960s, 60s, that's Timothy Leary, that's all these guys back in the day, they shut it down, they ended it. And well, well, we've gone down to discover this is having revolutionary positive impacts on people. I mean I have 25 friends that have gone down to Mexico in this specific treatment, doing the ibogaine one day, day off and then doing five emo DMT which you get off the back of a toad and having these experiences and they're able to come back. And almost like the numbers are like this one Stanford study that the president quoted. PSD symptoms down 88% within one month. 71% no longer meet PSD requirement. Depression down 80, 87%. Anxiety down 81%. Now you need to recognize it's not a miracle drug. It's not permanent in total all the time. But what it does is interrupts these opioid receptors, interrupt seeds addiction receptors and regenerates a new neural pathway to constitute more natural, healthy dopamine. Again, I can never say that dopaminergic receptors to have that kind of steadier baseline so the veteran can begin to reintegrate in their lives and have a more functional way to approach life itself.

[Buck Sexton]

David Rutherford with us. You can find all of his work as a part of the Clay and Buck podcast network. We got a lot of great talent in there. Many of you are really enjoying the podcast. What is the danger here? Because you know, sometimes when it comes to experimental drugs, you look at them and you say, okay, worst case scenario, you've got someone who's on the the pathway. Let's Say to, to, to death. And you say, well, we can take a risk here to see whether this might work because there isn't necessarily a lot of life left on the other side. Most of these guys, I would imagine, tend to be young. Now, within that, that construct, what is it, 21 former veterans a day commit suicide. It's an extraordinary, unbelievable, awful story. Is it worth the risk, I guess, given what we've got here, or what is the downside?

[David Rutherford]

Yeah, this is not your recreational. I'm going to follow the Grateful Dead and, you know, take a hit of acid and, you know, trip off the side in my, you know, kind of guru type mentality. It's not that at all. I began as an experience most people who go through it will never want to do again. It's really powerful, it's really intense. There can be vomiting, there can be confusion, there can be a little bit of anxiety. But all of this is monitored. Right? And that's what's critical to understand. There's doctors there, there's active nurses. One of the only real significant health risk is for a cardiac event. What happens is your QRS complex has a little bit of a disruption because of the medicine itself. Itself. But what they do is they put guys on a magnesium drip during it and it removes the potentiality of that. But otherwise psychedelics are not addictive. Right. They don't cause any stroke, they don't cause any of these other prompts. Now they're, you know, obviously we have a tremendous amount of research and that's what this executive order as well as what was passed in Texas and their legislation to fund $50 million from the state of Texas for ibogaine and other psychedelic research. And that's what it is. There's still this monster challenge in front of us because you still have big pharma that essentially wants to control the entire drug space out there, in particular for mental health drugs. So there's going to be a lot of hurdles to overcome. What this does is it gives us a little breaching charge. It pushes in this monster bureaucracy and allows us to begin to do the research which we need. And so I just interviewed a guy named Tom Aceto, a 16 year Navy SEAL combat veteran. Incredibly unbelievable story of what he went through when he got out as well, too. Horrible divorce. He lost his Trident because he was trying to self medicate with marijuana and the naval special warfare community kicked him out instead of going, wow, the handful of psychotropic pills we gave him are making them worse.

[Buck Sexton]

Right.

[David Rutherford]

And then he, you know, all These problems. Well, he went down seven years ago, did ibogaine, saved his life, and now is leading the charge in Tennessee. And what I he describes for an hour on the show. And that show will drop a week from today on Monday on the David Rutherford show, you can hear the specifics of the neurological benefits, the medical benefits, the emotional benefits to it. And then what he talks about is the step by step process, process how this is going to begin to really impact the greater population. Because a lot of times what they're saying now Clay is it's just isn't appropriate for Navy Seals or green Berets or any of that. But we can apply it for firefighters, police officers, first responders into the broader context. People that are suffering from really substantial childhood trauma that they experience or post traumatic stress disorder.

[Clay Travis]

So there's others as well. Right? Right. Rut like they're talking about psychedelics. Ibogaine is one of them. That's the one I've heard about the most. You and I have talked about this a little bit before in the context of operator syndrome. And what's in these. Some of these guys are trying to do, trying to go through for modalities to address this. There's also. And this one I had heard about before, the five meodmt from it's a venom or secretion of the Sonoran Desert toad. This is another intense psychedelic that has been used in this ketamine, mdma, psilocybin, also known as magic mushrooms. I mean there are other subs. Correct. Because ibogaine is the big one that people have really been having. Incredible. But there are others that would be covered under this executive order, as I

[David Rutherford]

understand it, a hundred percent. Like you talk about 5 emo DMT, your brain naturally produces a form of this substance through your pineal gland. And so. And that one is not eight to 24 hours. That's like a 20 minute experience. They actually call that the God particle and has really positive impacts on well being and just how you identify the self. Right. But psilocybin has been being studied at Johns Hopkins for years now. There's a huge funding research going on there. One of the most prolific studies that's often cited with just psilocybin itself. It was given to geriatric patients suffering with terminal cancer in their final stages of cancer. And what you had is you had an 80% reduction in anxiety or depression that was relative to the finality of their disease. And so it gave these people this sense of relief of what was in the impending nature of their Upcoming demise. Right. And so, yeah, the spectrum of psychedelics is very wide, very broad spectrum. And I think it's really could have a prolific experience, especially for a nation that has as much mental health challenges as we have in America.

[Buck Sexton]

What does it say about President Trump that this was able to come about so quickly? Joe Rogan was there and said, hey, I texted Trump about the need for this. And, and almost instantaneously, Trump said, okay, let's find out a way to get this done. Obviously, there's regular government speed and then there's Trump speed. This seems to be a pretty good example of Trump accelerating the government's ability to give veterans the opportunity to try this treatment.

[David Rutherford]

I think for us, obviously, you know, operator syndrome is not gaining traction within the va. They don't want to identify it. They want to stay fixated on big, large scale movements like, you know, burn pit exposure or post traumatic stress disorder itself. And so they, and they really have a very strong control of Big Pharma because they kind of regulate the massive amount of sales they have directly through the va. So when Trump comes out and does this, and if you looked at who was standing behind him, it was Marcus Luttrell. Man, I had a huge show before with Marcus. You know, I put him through training. His brother Morgan's there. He was a congressman in Texas. You had Rob o' Neill there, who shot bin Laden, who I went through hell week with. You've got Marcus Capone and his wife who started the program. I mean, you. And now you have all these other veterans. So when, when this could be from our perspective as veterans who are struggling, the greatest thing that we've seen, President Trump, or any president for that matter, truly taking a focus on what it means to take care of the mental and medical health of, of a generation that you asked to go to war for 22 straight years. It's phenomenal.

[Clay Travis]

When's, when's the next David Rutherford show going to drop? I'm sure you're going to be talking about this in detail. You're going to have anyone else from Special warfare community joining you. What can people expect this week?

[David Rutherford]

This week I'm addressing a real difficult topic with veterans and what's going on in the Iran war. I, I flew out to Idaho a few weekends ago and I'm going to bring on a Green Beret named Clay Martin and an A10 pilot named Dale Stark. And we're really going to go through what service meant to us, whether we would change it, whether we would tell our kids or what. Because all of us are receiving DMS about should I join, should I not join? And so I we really explore the magnitude of what it means to service. And guess what? This is a part of that service, right? You go in, you go into special operations or you go into high, high vigilant state of vigilance for 10 +20 years as a a 10 pilot or whatever, you're going to have to deal with the ramifications of that exposure. And so one of the things before is, you know, unfortunately we would say, you know, your government is going to ask you to go to war extensively over and over, but then they're going to turn their backs and not take care of you with this massive epidemic of suicides. But now, you know, this is going to change the topic. And so like I said, I just interviewed a guy named Tommy Acedo. We're going to drop that show a week from today, Monday and that'll be a comprehensive one hour show about this very topic of Ibogaine 5.5dmt and what it means for our community.

[Clay Travis]

David Rutherford thank you my friend. Great to have you with us today and of course as a part of the podcast network where you are crushing it. Appreciate you sir.

[David Rutherford]

Hoo yeah. God bless you guys.

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[Buck Sexton]

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Welcome back in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show. I appreciate all of you hanging out with us. We got some talkbacks react reacting to one of the talking points. I think you guys will enjoy this. We'll have some fun with it. First of all, Mary in San Antonio as Buck is having to deal with the fact that Kamala is not going to, you know, slide off the planet as quickly as he might have hoped. From a political perspective, here is Mary in San Antonio also, like me, looking forward to the fun.

[Clay Travis]

The only reason I would want Kamala to run is so that we could be entertained during the debates. I would just love to see how much how well Marco Rubio would do up against her or J.D. vance, either one. I'm a fan of Marco. My son's named Marco, but that would be very entertaining. There'd be no way that she could compete against him.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[David Rutherford]

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