The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: BONUS – Comey Indicted for Lying under Oath in response to my Questioning plus Sniper Targets Dallas ICE Facility
Release Date: September 26, 2025
Hosts: Senator Ted Cruz & Ben Ferguson
Podcast Network: iHeartPodcasts

Overview

In this explosive bonus episode, Ted Cruz and Ben Ferguson break down two headline-making stories: the historic indictment of former FBI Director James Comey for lying under oath and obstruction of Congress, and a politically-motivated sniper attack on a Dallas ICE facility. With insight, legal breakdowns, and raw emotion, the hosts explore the implications of these events, critique media responses, and call for a dialing back of divisive rhetoric while firmly defending law enforcement and the rule of law.

Main Themes

• Comey’s Indictment: Analysis and background on why James Comey has been charged with making false statements to Congress, with a focus on Cruz's central role in uncovering the contradiction at the heart of the case.
• Politicized Violence Against ICE: On-scene reporting and commentary on the tragic shooting in Dallas targeting ICE agents, alleged to be sparked by anti-law enforcement rhetoric from political leaders.
• Media & Political Reaction: Dissection of national media coverage, the intersection of politics and law enforcement, and the broad implications for democracy and civil discourse.

Detailed Breakdown

1. Introduction to a ‘Momentous Day’

Timestamp: 03:07–04:36

• Comey's Indictment Announced:
  Ted Cruz opens by labeling the day “momentous”—James Comey has been indicted on two counts of lying under oath to Congress, directly in response to Cruz’s questioning at a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing.
• Media and Political Fallout:
  “We are seeing the media losing their minds… letting out a primal scream of horror. The Democrats are horrified.” (Cruz, 03:07)
• Show Roadmap:
  • Deep dive into Comey’s legal trouble
  • Analysis of the Dallas ICE facility shooting

2. The Questioning That Triggered the Indictment

Timestamp: 07:39–09:27

• Cruz revisits his 2020 Senate Judiciary Committee exchange with Comey:
  • Cruz: “Chairman Grassley asked you…‘have you ever been an anonymous source…?’ You responded…‘never’. He then asked…‘have you ever authorized someone else…?’ You responded…‘no’.” (Cruz, 07:39)
  • Cruz points out the contradiction with Andrew McCabe’s public statement that he “leaked information… and that you (Comey) were directly aware of it.”
  • "Either James Comey lied under oath and committed a felony, or Andrew McCabe lied under oath... There is not a world in which neither of them committed a felony." (Cruz, 25:13)

3. Comey’s Response & Political Framing

Timestamp: 09:50–11:23

• Comey’s Statement:
  Cruz reads Comey’s Instagram post in response to the indictment, noting its political tone:
  • Comey: “My family and I have known for years that there are costs to standing up to Donald Trump... We will not live on our knees. And you shouldn’t either… I have great confidence in the federal judicial system and I’m innocent. So let’s have a trial.” (Comey via Cruz, 10:12-10:59)
• Hosts’ Reaction:
  Ferguson criticizes Comey's self-victimization, citing Comey’s celebratory tweet upon Trump’s earlier indictment:
  • “To act like he's some sort of guy that's above all this. Look at his own words.” (Ferguson, 10:59)
  • Cruz claims Comey's defense is hyper-partisan, resembling statements from “Chuck Schumer or Nancy Pelosi.” (Cruz, 11:23)
  • Cruz accuses Comey of unprecedented politicization and “chutzpah.”
  • “It is not the job of law enforcement to determine the will of the voters is wrong.” (Cruz, 13:25)

4. Why the Case Is Legally Significant

Timestamp: 20:25–26:36

• Statute of Limitations:
  Cruz explains the indictment was filed now because the statute of limitations was about to run out.
• Evidence Summary:
  • Detailed review of correspondence and testimony:
    • Andrew McCabe claims Comey authorized the leak.
    • Comey persistently denies knowledge or authorization, both to Congress and the Inspector General.
• Legal Binary:
  “It is a simple binary choice. Either James Comey lied under oath and committed a felony, or Andrew McCabe lied under oath… The only choice is which one broke the law.” (Cruz, 25:13)
• Role of Evidence:
  The Department of Justice must have evidence tipping the balance toward Comey being the one who lied.

5. Will Comey Be Convicted? Legal Analysis

Timestamp: 28:53–35:34

• Competing Testimonies:
  Cruz outlines that either Comey or McCabe is lying under oath—a straightforward legal confrontation.
• Potential Courtroom Dynamics:
  • Predicts McCabe will testify for the prosecution, repeating his Congressional testimony.
  • Forecasts Comey's defense will be forced to argue McCabe is lying—highly risky for both men.
  • “If [McCabe] gives any other answer, he'll be indicted for lying to Congress.” (Cruz, 30:51)
• Comey’s Courtroom Strategy:
  Cruz doubts Comey will testify to avoid perjury risk.
• Likelihood of Conviction:
  “This indictment is… for deliberately and knowingly lying under oath to the United States Senate… I think the odds are good that Comey will be convicted. And I think if he’s convicted, I think he’s going to serve jail time.” (Cruz, 34:05)
• Pattern of Leaks:
  Cruz notes Comey’s history of using media leaks to advance his agenda, potentially admissible as rebuttal evidence.

6. Dallas ICE Facility Shooting: On the Ground & Political Context

Timestamp: 39:04–45:13

• Incident Recap:
  • A gunman, described as “deranged,” targeted an ICE facility in Dallas, killing two, injuring a third, then committing suicide.
  • Cruz arrived on scene soon after.
    • “This needs to stop. Violence is wrong. Politically motivated violence is wrong.” (Cruz, 40:10)
• Link to Rhetoric:
  • Cruz connects recent political statements demonizing ICE (“from Gavin Newsom on late night TV,” etc.) to increased violence against law enforcement:
    • “To every politician...demonizing ICE and… CBP: stop. To every politician...demanding that ICE agents be doxxed...stop. This has very real consequences.” (Cruz, 41:00)
  • Calls for prayers for law enforcement and a halt to reckless rhetoric (“your opponents are not Nazis”).
• Shooter’s Background:
  • Sourced from web tracking and social media, the shooter appeared motivated by anti-ICE rhetoric and “left-wing ideology.”
  • “It is tragic and it is a consequence of extreme rhetoric… poisoning the minds of those who are driven to violence.” (Cruz, 43:36)
  • Shooter’s mother previously advocated gun control and blamed Texas politicians for past gun violence, which Cruz described as “irony.”

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Indictment’s Gravity:
  • “It's a momentous day. The former director of the FBI, James Comey, has been indicted on two counts of lying to Congress under oath…” (Cruz, 03:07)
• On Political Weaponization:
  • “In my opinion, there are only two possibilities, that you were deliberately corrupt or woefully incompetent. And I don't believe you were incompetent.” (Cruz, quoting his 2020 questioning, 09:00)
• On Comey’s Public Response:
  • “My family and I have known for years that there are costs to standing up to Donald Trump… We will not live on our knees. And you shouldn’t either.” (Comey via Cruz, 10:12–10:21)
• On Legal Binary:
  • “Either James Comey lied under oath and committed a felony, or Andrew McCabe lied under oath and committed a felony because what they said is precisely opposite.” (Cruz, 25:13)
• On Media Narrative:
  • “His statement he put out…could have been given by Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, or…Hakeem Jeffries…” (Cruz, 11:23)
• On Politically Motivated Violence:
  • “To every politician who is using rhetoric, demonizing ICE and demonizing CBP—stop... This has very real consequences.” (Cruz, 41:00)
  • “Your opponents are not Nazis. We need to learn to work together…” (Cruz, 41:28)

Key Timestamps for Reference

• [03:07] – Announcement of Comey’s indictment; show overview
• [07:39] – Cruz’s Senate hearing questioning replayed
• [09:50] – Breakdown of indictment counts
• [10:12] – Reading of Comey’s Instagram statement
• [20:25] – Background and statute of limitations discussion
• [25:13] – Legal binary: Comey or McCabe must be lying
• [28:53] – Cruz analyzes the prosecution’s likely case and courtroom dynamics
• [34:05] – Likelihood and ramifications of a Comey conviction
• [39:04] – Dallas ICE facility shooting coverage; Cruz’s on-scene reaction
• [41:00] – Cruz’s press conference remarks on rhetoric and violence

Tone & Language

• Direct, combative, and partisan—both Cruz and Ferguson openly criticize Comey, the Democratic party, and segments of the media.
• Formal legal framing and meticulous detail—Cruz draws from official letters, transcripts, and statutes.
• Moral urgency and seriousness—especially around the issue of violence against law enforcement, with heartfelt pleas for de-escalation in political rhetoric.

For Listeners

This episode is a must if you’re following the intersection of law, politics, and public safety in 2025. It combines first-hand insight from one of the lead senators involved in the Comey questioning with legal analysis and on-the-ground reporting of a significant act of violence against law enforcement.

Highly recommended segments:

• [07:39–09:27] The exact questioning that led to Comey’s indictment
• [10:12–10:59] Comey’s public defense and Cruz's immediate rebuttal
• [39:04–42:29] Cruz’s emotional call to end rhetoric-fueled violence following the Dallas ICE shooting

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