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BONUS! FBI To Re-Open Investigations on Cocaine in the White House, J6 Pipe Bomber & SCOTUS Leak, plus Comey Advocates Murder of Trump
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Joe Getty
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Jack Armstrong
We have a winner. Yes. Listen to Armstrong and Yeti on Demand on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency. It became known as the Iran Contra affair. The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you. Please do. To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco. You're on Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Bob Pittman, chairman and CEO of iHeartMedia. On this week's episode of Math and Magic, I'm sitting down with the one and only. Hi, I'm Bobby Bones. We're exploring the power of audio.
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Joe Getty
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Jack Armstrong
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Joe Getty
Good Wednesday morning. Nice to have you with us. It's Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you and Senator, we're gonna get some redos on some cover ups on the Democratic Party. Apparently this is gonna be music to many people's ears on accountability.
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Jack Armstrong
Well, the FBI has announced three brand new investigations on stories that just broke things that just happened yesterday. So just yesterday cocaine was found in the White House. Just yesterday there was a secret leak from the Supreme Court of a decision the court had not yet issued. It was a decision overturning Roe versus Wade. It was shocking. It was incredible. And I'll tell you, the FBI was on it. And just yesterday, unbelievably, a pipe bomb was planted outside the dnc. It was on the day of the certification of what ended up being the certification of Joe Biden's presidency. And all three of these, understandably when they occurred, they were major news stories, horrific crimes, grotesque violation of laws. So of course, the FBI devoted all of the resources to discover nothing. Well, we have a new FBI, we have a new doj, and now the FBI and DOJ is going back to do what they should have done years ago when these stories actually happened. They're going to go investigate and I hope they're going to find the wrongdoers, find the criminals, prosecute them and put him in jail. Also, we're going to look into recent comments and actions by the former head of the FBI, that crack law enforcement official who managed not to investigate those crimes. We just talked about James Comey who, who spent the entire Trump presidency, or much of the Trump presidency, undermining the President of the United States, attacking the President of the United States until finally he was rightly fired. He's made some comments that are nothing short of shocking. And, and, and he is effectively called for the assassination of the President of the United States. You might think that as hyperbole, but we're gonna break down exactly what James Comey did. And, and finally we're gonna talk about a lawsuit that NPR has filed. Npr, National Public Radio has filed a lawsuit saying that President Trump trying to cut off taxpayer funding for their wildly partisan, biased, dishonest reporting. Well, their allegation is that not paying for that wildly dishonest Partisan reporting violates the First Amendment to the Constitution that the First Amendment mandates that you and I and all of us pay for NPR's lying. We're going to explain the absolute nonsense of that lawsuit and we're going to get into the details right now.
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Joe Getty
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Jack Armstrong
Well, understand that when you're Dealing with the politicization and weaponization of the Department of Justice and the FBI and the law enforcement apparatus. There are two components of it. One component of it is using it as a weapon to attack your political opponents. We saw Joe Biden and the Democrats do that over and over and over again, most notably when they indicted Donald Trump not once, not twice, not three times, four separate times. That was a clear illustration of weaponization. It was designed ultimately to fight democracy. It was designed because they were terrified the voters would do what in fact they did in November, reelect Donald J. Trump as President of the United States. But there's another aspect of weaponization, and that is refusing to investigate crime, refusing to enforce the law against your friends and political allies. And we saw the Biden Department of Justice, the Biden FBI do that over and over and over again. And these three cases are among the most egregious. You know you're in my friend, Dan Bongino. So Dan Bongino is now the Deputy Director of the FBI. Cash Patel's the Director of the FBI. Dan tweeted out this week the following. A few updates. The director and I have most of our incoming reform teams in place by next week. The hiring process can take a little bit of time, but we are approaching that finish line. This will help us both in doubling down on a reform agenda. Shortly after swearing in, the director and I evaluated a number of cases of potential public corruption that understandably have garnered public interest. We made the decision to either reopen or push additional resources and investigative attention to these cases. These cases are, number one, the D.C. pipe bombing investigation, number two, the cocaine discovery at the prior administration's White House, and number three, the leak of the Supreme Court stop case. I receive requested briefings on these cases weekly and we are making progress. If you have any investigative tips on these matters that may assist us, then please contact the FBI. That is really significant. And, and, and, and by the way, I'm, I'm, I'm going to add a fourth one that is not in this tweet, but it is something that both Cash Patel and Don Begino and also Pam Bondi have committed to, which is transparency regarding Jeffrey Epstein. And I will say that Jeffrey Epstein sex trafficking case was grotesque. I think the American people need to know every name in that little black book. I think they need to know the clients. I didn't think they need to know everyone who participated in the child sex trafficking. And I do believe I've had multiple conversations with Pam Bondi, with Cash Patel, with Dan Bongino about it. I do believe we will see transparency. I know a lot of people are frustrated that we haven't seen all that information yet. My understanding from those conversations is on Epstein, there is a vast trove of information, much of which, which implicates minors. And, and what I've been told is that is they are working to put it in a format where it can be released where you don't, where you don't release, say, video of a minor being sexually assaulted, which would obviously be inappropriate for protecting that child. A little boy or girl should not have that image released by the government for the world. But at the same time, the assaulter, the criminal, his image should be released. And I have every expectation we will see transparency on that front. And I will continue asking both the Department of Justice and FBI to provide transparency and pressing them to do so as fast as possible. But on these three cases as well, look, let's take them one at a time. Cocaine and the West Wing of the White House. All right, Ben, you worked in the West Wing. Tell me, how big a deal would it be when you worked in the George W. Bush White House? Can you imagine the reaction if cocaine were found in that White House?
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Joe Getty
No. And it would have been a wall to wall story and it would have been 24 7. And the media would have dug and dug and dug and demanded answers. And they would not have let up until they had a name or someone who had been fired or dismissed. And they would have also then I think TMZ did, where they would have said, how many people are high at the White House? How many people are around the Situation Room? Which, by the way, this cocaine was not far from, from the, the, the, the stories would have exploded out to hurt.
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Jack Armstrong
Ben.
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Joe Getty
George Bush.
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Jack Armstrong
Ben, explain to people where this work, where this was, because you said it wasn't far from the Situation Room. You're right. But give people a sense of the layout of the West Wing and where exactly this was.
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Joe Getty
If you walk in the West Wing from basically the eeob, the Old Executive or the Eisenhower Building, there's kind of a breezeway. And when you walk in there, I.
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Jack Armstrong
Want to stop you for a second. There is an interesting divide in Washington. And you can tell how long someone has been in Washington by what acronym you use. And you actually just use both of them.
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Joe Getty
Yes.
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Jack Armstrong
So there's a building.
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Joe Getty
I was bridging the gap there. Did you like that?
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Jack Armstrong
I did, but I want to explain it to our listeners because this is a very insidery little thing, but it is kind of funny. And it's real. So there's a giant building right next to the White House that is the Executive Office Building. And a lot of the offices that are said to be, quote, in the White House are actually in that building. That building is much bigger than the White House and is part of the White House campus. So when you enter the White House grounds, if you're walking up Executive Avenue, on the right is the West Wing, on the left is the Executive Office Building. Now, folks who have been in D.C. a long time, they call that the OEOB. Why is that? That stands for the Old Executive Office Building. So the O is oeob. And at some point, and I don't know what year, actually, maybe when we're talking, you can Google it and give us the answer, Ben. But at some point, they renamed the building the Eisenhower Executive Office Building. They put up a sign that says Eisenhower Executive Office Building. And so now it's called eeob. And you can tell people who I would say have been to D.C. in the, in the last decade or two, they call it the EEOB and old farts. And you're actually young enough. You're not fully an old fart.
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Joe Getty
Exactly. I'm going to take pride in that, by the way. And by the way, I can tell you when they change the name. Are you ready for this?
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Jack Armstrong
I heard you typing when I, when I said use the Google, you click clacked on your keyboard. So I know you had an answer.
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Joe Getty
Yes, President Bill Clinton approved legislation changing the name on November 9th of 1999 from the old Executive Office Building to was renamed to the Dwight D. Eisenhower Executive Office Building. So there you go. 99, November 9th.
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Jack Armstrong
So that's just a quick aside and you can really tell someone's. So look, I came to D.C. i was a law clerk in D.C. in 1995-96, and then I was a law clerk at the Supreme Court in 96 to 97. And so when I first moved there, it was called the oeob. So I'm just barely on the old fart line of it. But as you said, it was renamed in 1999. So you're very much on the young fart line of it. And yet I like that you use them both.
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Joe Getty
Yeah, it's, it's, it's a cool building. And, and you can also all.
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Jack Armstrong
It's beautiful.
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Joe Getty
We always, we always used to laugh because you could always tell who was full of it and who was lying if they said they worked in the White House. And then they actually worked the eeob. You're like, hold on a second. Like, wait, wait, are they, are they, are they flexing, saying that they work in the West Wing when they really don't? Because 99% of the staff does not work in the actual White House like they work in the eob.
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Jack Armstrong
And so the White House itself, you've got a lot of the White House that's like a museum and that has beautiful rooms and you have tours going through it. And it's a quasi public area. You've got the residence, which is upstairs, and that's where the president of the first family lives. And then you have the West Wing, which is where the senior offices working for the President are. And the West Wing is not very big.
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Joe Getty
No, it's tiny.
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Jack Armstrong
It's three stories. You've got a basement, you've got a first floor and second floor. The offices are not very big. Actually, the OEOB offices are much bigger than the West Wing offices. But in the White House, power and prestige is measured by one thing, and that is proximity to the President, proximity to the Oval Office. And so a tiny little closet next to the Oval is much more prestigious than a huge grand office. All right, I'll tell you something funny, Ben. So you know the little office off the West Wing where Bill Clinton did not have sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky?
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Joe Getty
Yes.
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Jack Armstrong
And by the way, for those of y' all too young to remember Bill Clinton, when he was accused of having oral sex with an intern, Monica Lewinsky, he said to press conference, I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky, that was turned out to be a flat out lie because he did. There's a little room off the West Wing where those interactions occurred. Do you know what Donald Trump has turned it into?
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Joe Getty
So I know this. It's the laugh. It's the trinket room. Now, if he likes you and he says, come over here, you can get you some swag from the Oval Office.
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Jack Armstrong
Like it's got, he's got MAGA hats in there, he's got presidential cufflinks, he's got all sorts of it. He just goes and says, take whatever you like. And there's just like a bunch of stuff and it's really cool. So, so he's got, he doesn't have those in the swag room. But, but, but he also has, have you seen Trump's challenge coins?
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Joe Getty
They're incredible. So when you went into the Oval recently, you got a couple coming back and I got to see them. They're amazing. And they're huge.
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Jack Armstrong
So a challenge coin. For those of y' all who are not familiar, a challenge coin is a tradition both in the military and in law enforcement. And so when you meet with typically senior officers of the military, they'll have a challenge coin that is branded with their unit, with their battalion, and they'll give it to you. And there's a whole culture of, like, having to present your challenge coin, and if you don't have it, having to buy drinks. And so in my office, I have a whole display behind my desk of probably 150 challenge coins that have been given to me by military leaders across the country and across the world. That's behind my desk. And then in front of my desk, on the other end of the office is a display with challenge coins from law enforcement. And so it's a similar thing. Police officers, sheriffs, police chiefs, firefighters, federal law enforcement will have challenge coins, and they give them, and usually they're about the size of a silver dollar, and they're elaborate. Well, Trump has made these presidential challenge coins that are about the size somewhere between the size, the diameter of a baseball and a softball. I think they're a little bigger than a baseball, but not quite as big as a softball, and they're gorgeous. And, and, and of course, Trump's challenge coin is bigger because. Because how would it be otherwise?
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Joe Getty
Yeah, of course. And, and that's the part about, I, I do say people that go to the Oval Office and get to meet with him, you have no idea what you're going to leave with. Including I, I will say his cufflinks. I got a pair in the first in the 45 years. You got the new pair from 47. I'm very jealous because they are absolutely beautiful.
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Jack Armstrong
Yep. So, anyway, where the cocaine was found is right as you walk into the entrance of the West Wing. By the way, that entrance is where Trump now parks his brand new Tesla. It's literally parked right out front. So I tweeted out a picture because I've never seen a car of the president. Like, when you become president, they take your car keys and they don't let you drive, and you're driven around in the Beast, and so his car is parked right out front. Now, actually, they don't let Trump drive either. So. So he doesn't get to drive his Tesla. And so I'm told a staffer about once a week has to drive the Tesla, like, several times around the block. So it just. So it doesn't die entirely.
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Joe Getty
That's not a bad job. By the way, if you get that job. But as you mentioned, you walk in that entrance there and where they found the cocaine, it is probably, I don't know, 30 to 40ft away from the door to the Situation Room. Because when you walk in the West Wing, your lockers are to the left where you put your phones up. Traditionally, that's where they found this cocaine was over in that area. You go straight for 10, 12ft, you go to your right and then right down there is a little area we can get food and, and, and something to drink. And immediately to your right is the, is where you walk in to the Situation Room. Like it's right there. Like the idea that cocaine was found the White House, it should have been like hell to pay. And no one stopped reporting on the story until somebo was arrested.
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Jack Armstrong
So, so look, I, I am very glad the FBI is going to investigate that. You, you, you take another case. January 6, the Biden Justice Department spent thousands and thousands of man hours, spent enormous money investigating ever. Every little old lady on the Mall waving a flag, singing God Bless America. They treated those poor little old ladies like they were Osama bin Laden. And, and the actual terrorist who plants a pipe bomb outside the dmc. Look, if you plant a pipe bomb that can blow up people and murder people, there's a word for that. You are a terrorist. If you're planning a pipe bomb. There is video of this dude planning the pipe bomb. And yet we've had four plus years transpire and we know nothing about the actual terrorist who planted a pipe bomb that could have killed multiple people. It was actually, it was found before it exploded, thank God. But it could have been, it could have resulted a serious loss of life if it hadn't. I'm very glad that they're finally investigating that. And then an actual.
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Joe Getty
Can we just pause though and ask your gut on this one? Why was it not investigated?
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Jack Armstrong
I don't know. I really. Look, there's conspiracy theories online. Some of them have to do with, with FBI informants, undercover agents in the crowd on January 6th. As you know, I've questioned the FBI and the Department of Justice multiple times about the informants they had underground. They refused to make that public. I'll tell you, I also have urged Pam Bondi and Cash Patel to make that public. I hope that they do that. They engage in radical transparency. I don't know. I find it weird because it is the action on that day that could have resulted in the greatest loss of life had the pipe bomb detonated. I mean, it's on a busy public street where people are walking by every minute. It could have killed multiple people and we don't know. And so all sorts of people. I mean, Twitter and the Internet speculates like crazy. I'm not interested in speculation. I would like to find out who actually planted it, why, and I'd like them to go to jail. And I hope, listen, I'm encouraged by Dan Bongino's post on X, that we are making progress. I hope that we can find out who did it. And I will say, of the three, ironically, the one that is the most consequential, I think, is the third one, which is the leak of the Supreme Court stops case. And it is hard to overstate how much damage that leak did, not just to the Supreme Court of the United States, but also to the rule of law, the way the Supreme Court operates. Justices deliberate on cases. They circulate opinion drafts back and forth, they change opinion drafts. A given opinion, particularly in a consequential opinion, can change 100 times or more. They're literally negotiating over every sentence, over every footnote. And in 200 and nearly 50 years of our nation's history, never once has a draft of an opinion of the Supreme Court been leaked until the Dobbs case. And it did, I think, irreparable damage to the trust between the Justices, to the ability of the Justices to have candor with each other and the person who leaked it. At the end of the day, it is a really small universe of people who would have access to that draft opinion. It is essentially the Justices. And I refuse to believe a Justice did that unless you had irrefutable proof. I just. I have too much faith in the institutions of our country to believe a Justice did it. I believe it was very likely a law clerk and a law clerk from one of the liberal Justices. But look, There are only 36 law clerks. There are not that many. And I am confident, having been one of them myself, these people are not master criminals. They are not incredibly adept at hiding their tracks. And so I think we did not get a thorough investigation into it. And of the three, if I could pick one to be solved, it would be finding the leaker of the Dobbs opinion, prosecuting him or her, and locking them up, because I think that did lasting damage to the rule of law in this country. You know, in the book of Genesis, God makes a promise to your offspring. I promise this land. Now, that promise is the foundation of Israel, a land the Jewish people have returned to after centuries of exile and bondage. And even the horrors of the Holocaust. But that promise is still under threat, especially after October 7th. Now, Israel's safety today depends on the very brave men and women of the idf, the Israeli Defense Forces. Every citizen is required to serve. Your gift of $45 will help provide aid to soldiers and their families to by helping to provide food and other bare necessities for these families and emergency supplies for soldiers now, you can help secure their future. Honor those who are defending the holy land. Call now 888-488-IFCJ. That's 888488, IFCJ. Just go to their website, it's ifcj.org and you can give Today they are in desperate need of help.
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Jack Armstrong
Why should you listen to Armstrong and Getty on On Demand? We're not boring. A lot of news is boring and tedious and depressing and makes you angry. You don't want to live your life like that. Hey, I'm Jack Armstrong. He's Joe Getty. We're Armstrong and Getty. We try to bring you the truth and help you figure out this crazy.
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Joe Getty
Modern world about something about a comedic tone.
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Jack Armstrong
We have a winner. Yes. Listen to Armstrong and Yeti on Demand on the iHeartRadio app. Apple Podcasts are where wherever you get your podcasts. In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency. Did you make a mistake in sending arms to Tehran, sir?
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Joe Getty
No.
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Jack Armstrong
It became known as the Iran Contra affair. And I'm not taking any more questions. In just a second, I'm going to ask. I'm Leon Neyfak, co creator of Slow Burn. In my podcast, Iran Contra, you'll hear all the unbelievable details of a scandal that captivated the nation nearly 40 years ago, but which few of us still remember today. The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you. Please do. To hear the whole story. Listen to Fiasco Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Joe Getty
This is again goes back to the basic issue of law and order. And this is something that this administration keeps saying over and over again like they're not joking. They're going to treat everyone the same and we're going to look at things through the glasses of of law and order instead of picking winners and losers based on politics.
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Jack Armstrong
Well, yes, and that is unless the head of the FBI is calling for the murder of the President of the United States. And that is another story that broke in the last few days. So the former FBI director, James Comey, he tweeted out this image, and it is an image of seashells on the beach that spell out 86, 47. Now, 47 is obviously Donald Trump. And 86 on the face of it, to 86 someone is standard slang for killing someone. And as I posted on social media, is there any other reasonable interpretation of this, other than the former head of the FBI publicly calling for the murder of the President of the United States and Comey backed away from it. I got to say, part of the reason, I think he put it out. He's got a new book coming out and he wanted some attention. But it is unimaginable that a head of the FBI would be particularly a president who has had two assassination attempts. This is not theoretical. Donald Trump was shot. He came within a half inch of being killed in Butler, Pennsylvania. And yet the head of the FBI is openly calling for people to 86 Donald Trump.
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Joe Getty
Well, and it's not only, as you mentioned, is it a dog whistle, but also, yeah, he had a book coming out. He's like, hey, if I do this, and maybe there's just narcissism and arrogance to a level that even I didn't realize with him, and I thought it was pretty high, where he's like, I'm so powerful, I can get away with this. And then everybody will want to interview me. I get to dog whistle this against the present, while also guaranteeing that every single show will want to book me to talk about my book, AKA and also the seashells on the beach. It was one hell of a move. And I think it's one where he thought, nothing's going to happen to me, even if I do get interviewed by the Secret Service, who cares?
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Jack Armstrong
Well, and I will say he doubled down this week by calling on the FBI essentially to fight the President of the United States and accusing the Trump administration of being, in his words, quite white supremacist adjacent. Listen to this. So follow up on the Seashell situation when you were explaining why you took it down, but what were you trying to communicate to the public? Impeach Trump? What was your reasoning for it? No, I just thought it was a cool picture. Someone was expressing a political view in a very clever way in shells that were organized by the same color for each of the letters. I just thought, what a cool thing. And I'm well known as a political opponent of Donald Trump, and I just thought, that's cool. My Instagram account is family politics stuff, including stuff like this. I put a shell on last fall. I thought it was cool. Someone had painted the inside of a big shell, say, vote Kamala. I thought, that's really cool. So I put that on. But. So it's not a particular message other than that. I was just gonna ask you about the MSNBC interview you were doing, because on social media, everyone's saying he's talking about the white supremacist adjacent Republican Party. Everybody in the party? Yeah. Voters. What?
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Joe Getty
What's.
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Jack Armstrong
You want to clarify? No. Clarification at all? No, I'm not going to comment on it. Okay.
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Joe Getty
Yeah.
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Jack Armstrong
Thank you. Hello.
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Joe Getty
I love it. Be well. I'm not going to clarify on that. I'm going to keep that out there as well. Buy my book.
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Jack Armstrong
What utter garbage. Oh, I just thought it was kind of interesting. I just thought it was, you know, kind of pretty. The seashells were pretty. Like, what an absurd claim. And there's something mocking about it that he could claim. Okay, number one, James Comey is not a stupid man.
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Joe Getty
Yeah, he's smart. He knows what he's doing.
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Jack Armstrong
He knows exactly what he is doing. And James Comey, number one, he knows who 47 is. He knows exactly who 47 is. 47 is the 47th President of the United States, Donald J. Trump. Number two, the claim that he didn't know what 86 is. Listen, that. That is. That is absurd. It is not remotely credible. And the fact that he's saying that. The fact that he's saying that is mocking. It is a level of contempt. And listen, I gotta say, I don't know Comey personally, but in my view, he is someone who was consumed by power when he was the head of the FBI. I think he had delusions of grandeur. I think he believed he was J. Edgar Hoover and he wanted to have presidents of the United States reporting to him. By the way, do you happen to know off the top of your top of your head what 18 USC section 871 provides?
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Joe Getty
No. What is it?
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Jack Armstrong
What's funny? It's actually a felony. Threatening the President of the United States is a felony that's punishable by up to five years imprisonment. And you would think the fba, the head of the FBI, would know that. And yet he blithely said, oh, I just saw some pretty seashells, you know, nothing to see here.
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Joe Getty
And let's just remind people when you said that he's smart. This is the same guy that mocked the Trump administration the first time. Right. When they got into office, when he just sent a couple FBI agents over to try to entrap General Flynn. Like, never forget, that's how calculated this guy is. So for him to say, oh, I just saw a picture here and I thought it was really cute. Of seashells. I don't buy that crap. For a moment.
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Jack Armstrong
He proposed sending someone wearing a wire to entrap the President of the United States. And I want you to listen to him with Nicole Wallace on msnbc, because I want you to listen to just this smarmy, sanctimonious, dishonest. You can tell what I think about him here. Just play his words and see if you agree with me.
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Joe Getty
You are back in the middle of a political firestorm.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah, for walking on the beach with my wife. So I don't know how we ended up here. Never occurred to me that it was any kind of controversial thing, but that's the time we live in. Okay, Ben, there's a technical word for what he just said there that would be called a lie. He's deliberately lying. He knows he's lying. He is not in trouble for walking on the beach with his wife. He is understandably in trouble for publicly advocating the murder of the President of the United States.
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Joe Getty
And yet there's a lot of people think he knew exactly what he was doing. And, yeah, he may get hauled in for some questioning, but he's not going to get arrested because he's the former FBI director and that guy never gets in trouble, Right?
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Jack Armstrong
Well, we shall see. I will say Cash Patel and Dan Bongino are not your typical heads of the FBI.
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Joe Getty
Yeah, that's a great point. It'll be very interesting to see what happens moving forward. We'll keep you updated on it. I want to move also the NPR lawsuit and get your take on that Senator as well.
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Jack Armstrong
So this week, npr, National Public Radio, and three Colorado Public Radio stations filed a lawsuit in federal court against the Trump White House, against the president's executive order barring the use of funds for NPR and for pbs. And the lawsuit says, quote, it is not always obvious when the government has acted with a retaliatory purpose in violation of the First Amendment. But this wolf comes as a wolf. The order targets NPR and PBS expressly because in the president's views, their news and other content is not fair, accurate, or unbiased. Now, now let me stop and say, listen, you. You could file a reasonable lawsuit Arguing that on any of these particular executive orders, that. That where you're dealing with congressional appropriations, that challenging the authority of an executive order to limit congressional appropriations, that's an area that's being litigated. That's going to be litigated. And reasonable minds can differ on what is permissible. And we've talked in previous podcasts that there is a significant dispute over the President's authority to engage in what is called impoundment, which is essentially to decline to spend money that Congress has appropriated. That you want to file a lawsuit over that? Okay, courts will sort that out. That'll be litigated. But, but here, what this lawsuit is claiming is that the First Amendment prohibits defunding npr. And the reason they say it really is absurd is you can't defund the NPR simply because, quote, their news and other content is not fair, accurate, or unbiased. Now, let me say I think no objective person on planet Earth can contend that NPR or PBS are fair, accurate, or unbiased. And so we really are in Alice in Wonderland, through the Looking Glass, where you now have litigants arguing because NPR and PBS are dishonest and political, you can't cut off funding because cutting off funding would be silencing our right to be dishonest and political and not just, look, you absolutely have a right to be dishonest and political. So MSNBC can publish any nonsense they want. CNN can publish any nonsense they want. Now, nobody watches them. It's kind of a tree falling in the woods. But they have a right to say it. They have a right to say utter Nonsense. But NPR's argument is not only do they have a right to say it, which I agree, they do. But they have a right to have the taxpayers fund them forever, that it is illegal for us to stop paying for their partisan lies. I gotta say that is an absurd claim. And it is the simple reality of the absurdity of the left.
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Joe Getty
Yeah, it is. And I wonder when we will actually get resolution on this. Is there a real chance you think that we could actually defund NPRPBS and just say, hey, make it on your own? Is there a real chance?
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Jack Armstrong
Look, I certainly hope so. I am pressing to do so. I'm pressing Congress to do so. I'm pressing Congress to enact and codify the Doge cuts that we've seen Elon Musk and Doge put in place. We're gonna have a battle in Congress. We're gonna have a battle in Congress if it has to go through regular order. What regular Order means is the standard path of legislation. That means it's subject to filibuster. That means you need 60 votes in the Senate, which means you need seven Democrats if you have to get seven Democrats.
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Joe Getty
And that's how they save it, is what you're saying. That's right. That's their ideal situation, is you guys complain about it and we keep giving billions to our propaganda machines.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah. Zero Democrats will vote to defund NPR or pbs, which means if it goes through regular order, it will not happen the other way.
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Joe Getty
Isn't that proof of just how biased they are? The fact that zero of them would go to defund it because they know how valuable it is to their propaganda.
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Jack Armstrong
And they don't care. In fact, I want you to listen to Catherine Marr, the CEO of npr, who describes the First Amendment as the quote, the greatest challenge that she faces to controlling narratives here. Give a listen.
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C
The number one challenge here that we see is, of course, the First Amendment in the United States is a fairly robust protection of rights. And that is a protection of rights both for platforms, which I actually think is very important, that platforms have those rights to be able to regulate what kind of content they want on their sites. But it also means that it is a little bit tricky to really address some of the real challenges of where does bad information come from and sort of the influence peddlers who have made a real market economy around it.
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Joe Getty
I mean, that's where your tax towers are going and that's the woman who's in charge.
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Jack Armstrong
Damn it. That pesky First Amendment. We want to censor, we want to silence voices we disagree with and that First Amendment stands in the way. And here I want you to listen to this, this montage of Catherine Marr being grilled at congressional hearing. Give a listen to just how extreme the NPR CEO is.
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C
And I welcome the opportunity to discuss the essential role of public media in delivering unbiased, nonpartisan, fact based reporting to Americans. Madam Chair, thank you so much for the opportunity to address this. I know.
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Jack Armstrong
Do you. Is it up to you and NPR to, to crack down on bad information or decide the truth? Answer the question yes or no. Ms. Mar.
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C
Absolutely not. I'm a very strong believer in free speech and I believe that more speech.
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Jack Armstrong
Your public statements say otherwise. During the COVID pandemic and the 2020 election, you said you censored information through conversations with government. Which governments were those? Ms. Mar. The Biden administration. Yes or no?
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C
Madam Chair? Wikipedia never censored any information.
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Jack Armstrong
These are your public statements.
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C
Ms. Marr Madam Chair, we are in full compliance and with the FCC's inquiry and we'll continue to cooperate.
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Jack Armstrong
I remind you, you're under oath. I'm assuming you're concerned. Both of you are concerned about this and that's why you brought so many attorneys with you today.
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C
First of all, I want to recognize your concerns. One of the first things that I did in coming in in May was to beef up our editorial standards.
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Jack Armstrong
Why is NPR even doing editorials?
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C
I'm so sorry.
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Jack Armstrong
Federally funded entity that's supposed to provide the news. Can you not provide the news? Fair balance.
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C
Of course.
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Jack Armstrong
Congressman, an article by Uri Berlinger. I've been at NPR for 25 years. Here's how we lost America's trust.
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C
Well, I do want to say that NPR acknowledges that we were mistaken in failing to cover the Hunter Biden laptop story more aggressively and sooner. Our current editorial leadership, we recognize that we were reporting at the time, but we acknowledge that the new CIA evidence is worthy of coverage and have covered it.
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Jack Armstrong
You've even talked about, about the First Amendment kind of getting in the way of what you wanted to get done. NPR is now taking this non biased approach.
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C
I so appreciate the opportunity to perhaps clarify some things. My talk about truth was really referencing the way that people use truth to refer to belief as opposed to facts.
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Jack Armstrong
Your comments said that truth was getting the way of getting things done and that you were prioritizing what you wanted to get done over truth. Did they come up in your job interview like, do you see a problem, Congressman?
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C
Thank you for the question. No, I, they never came up in my job interview.
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Jack Armstrong
You're a rabid progressive, like, and do you not think it's a problem that your political leanings make it seem to the American people that, that you're not biased and you're not doing your job because you agree that your job is to have journalistic integrity, right?
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C
Absolutely. But there is a strong firewall between the newsroom and anything that I.
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Jack Armstrong
Let's talk about the newsroom. You have 86, seven registered Democrats, not a single Republican in your, in your editor boards. I mean, how does that work to give us the perception that you're doing your job of actually delivering unbiased information?
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C
I would agree with you that that number is a concern. If it is accurate. I do believe that we need to have journalists who represent the full breadth of the American society so that we can report well for all Americans.
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Joe Getty
Well, I just got to stop it there. This goes on for several more minutes, but that part there at the end when he's like, you got 87 people on the editorial board. They're all Democrats. You don't have a single Republican. And then she's like, yeah, if that number is true, then it is a concern.
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Jack Armstrong
The argument of NPR is that the First Amendment requires for you and me to keep paying for them to propagandize and lie. And I gotta say, one of my favorite facts. As I said, it's not just npr. It's three Colorado radio stations. The statewide Colorado public radio station based in Denver, ksut, which was originally founded by the Southern Ute Indian tribe. And this is the one that cracks me up. The Aspen Public Radio, which broadcasts in Aspen, one of the richest communities on planet Earth. If you're in Aspen and you look at the airport, you just see a line of private jets as far as the eye can see. And their argument is the First Amendment mandates that we tax American workers to pay for propaganda in Aspen. Because the poor wretched masses of Aspen can't afford to pay for their own propaganda. They need to tax American workers instead.
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Joe Getty
Yeah, there it is. And now you know why Donald Trump's doing what he's doing. Don't forget, we do this show Monday, Wednesday, Friday. Hit that subscribe or auto download button so you don't miss a single episode right after a five star review. If you wouldn't mind, it helps us reach new listeners and the center. I will see you back here on Friday morning. Wholesome family entertainment is so important, especially for my family with my three boys. And there's a new movie I want you to know about. I want to give you free tickets. The Last Rodeo. Angel Studios newest family Blockbuster starring Neil McDonough hits theaters May 23rd. And become a premium member right now and get two free tickets to see the Last Rodeo on the big screen. Plus, you can stream other angel exclusives like Homestead, the Shift and more, help choose which movies get made and support film and filmmakers that share our values. So join the angel guild now@angel.com verdict that's angel.com verdict. Don't miss the Last Rodeo. Only in theaters.
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Jack Armstrong
Why should you listen to Armstrong and Getty on demand? We're not boring. A lot of news is boring and tedious and depressing and makes you angry. You don't want to live your life like that. Hey, I'm Jack Armstrong. He's Joe Getty. We're Armstrong and Getty. We try to bring you the truth and help you figure out this crazy modern world.
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Joe Getty
How about something about a comedic tone?
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Jack Armstrong
We have a winner. Yes. Listen to Armstrong and Getty on Demand on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency. It became known as the Iran Contra Affair. The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you. Please do. To hear the whole story, listen to Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Bob Pittman, chairman and CEO of iHeartMedia. On this week's episode of Math and Magic, I'm sitting down with the one and only Bobby Bones. We're exploring the power of audio.
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Joe Getty
Yeah, I don't fit into one specific hole. I think that is what endeared me to listeners. That's why I'm here now, because I talk to people that grew up like me, have sensibilities like me, and have loyalties like me.
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Jack Armstrong
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