BONUS: MS-13 & Harvard—Democrats Defend More Illegal Aliens, More Gang Members, More Anti-Semites & More Anti-American Radicals

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show – BONUS: MS-13 & Harvard—Democrats Defend More Illegal Aliens, More Gang Members, More Anti-Semites & More Anti-American Radicals

Release Date: April 17, 2025
Host: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton
Guest: Senator Ted Cruz
Podcast Network: iHeartPodcasts

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Introduction to the Episode

In this bonus episode, hosts Clay Travis and Buck Sexton delve into two contentious issues they assert are central to the current Democratic agenda: the defense and acceptance of illegal immigrants, including members of criminal organizations like MS-13, and the alleged promotion of anti-Semitism and radical ideologies within prestigious academic institutions such as Harvard University.

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Democrats' Stance on Illegal Immigration and Gang Affiliates

[01:56]
Clay Travis: "Since the election in November, Democrats have been flailing about... They've now seemed to settle on two policy positions... Number one, Democrats want more illegal aliens, especially those who have been found by courts to be members of MS-13."

Discussion Points:

• Deportation Case: The episode highlights the case of Abrego Garcia, an illegal immigrant deported to El Salvador despite prior court findings linking him to the MS-13 gang.
• Democratic Delegation to El Salvador: Democrats are portrayed as organizing a delegation to El Salvador to advocate for Garcia's return, despite his criminal associations.
• Legal Proceedings: The hosts reference court rulings that identified Garcia as an MS-13 member and discuss the Supreme Court's stance on the matter, emphasizing the administration's position against his return to the U.S.

Notable Quotes:

• Clay Travis [02:29]: "Democrats are now coalescing around an individual that was deported out of this country..."
• Buck Sexton [10:04]: "If you listen to the media... none of the facts have come up about not one, but two courts saying this guy's an MS-13 gang member."

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Critique of Democratic Policies on Higher Education

[24:52]
Clay Travis: "Harvard gets roughly $9 billion in federal taxpayer dollars... The Trump administration has announced that the Joint Task Force on Combating Anti-Semitism has frozen over $2 billion in multi-year grants and contracts to Harvard."

Discussion Points:

• Federal Funding Freeze: The Trump administration's decision to cut funding to Harvard is discussed, citing the university's non-compliance with federal civil rights laws.
• Allegations Against Harvard: The hosts accuse Harvard of discriminating based on race, admitting anti-Semitic individuals, and fostering radical leftist ideologies.
• Comparison with Other Institutions: The episode contrasts Harvard's stance with that of Hillsdale College, which does not accept federal funding to avoid governmental influence.

Notable Quotes:

• Clay Travis [29:36]: "Harvard has been the locus of much of the radical leftism and cultural Marxism that has done enormous damage to our institutions."
• Buck Sexton [34:02]: "Harvard has become an indoctrination lab... If you say something contrary to the radical leftist view, you risk being disciplined."

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Exchange with Senator Ted Cruz

[10:04] - [20:58]
Senator Ted Cruz joins the hosts to reinforce their arguments against the Democratic stance on immigration and their policies on higher education. Cruz elaborates on the legal aspects of Abrego Garcia's deportation and criticizes the Democrats' efforts to reverse court decisions that classified Garcia as an MS-13 member.

Key Points:

• Legal Justifications: Cruz explains the legal rationale behind Garcia's deportation and the Supreme Court's decisions supporting the administration's actions.
• Media Critique: Both hosts and Cruz criticize mainstream media outlets like MSNBC and CNN for allegedly misrepresenting facts and supporting Democratic narratives.
• Policy Implications: The discussion emphasizes the perceived dangers of Democrats' immigration policies and their impact on national security.

Notable Quotes:

• Senator Ted Cruz [15:45]: "He was illegally in our country... two courts, an immigration court, and an appellate immigration court ruled that he was a member of MS-13."
• Clay Travis [20:58]: "CNN and MSNBC don't have to get votes. They just have to appeal to radical leftists."

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Federal Demands and Harvard's Response

[40:44] - [41:40]
The hosts revisit the issue of federal demands placed on Harvard, highlighting specific provisions outlined in a letter from the Trump administration. These include governance reforms, merit-based hiring and admissions, and the promotion of viewpoint diversity.

Discussion Points:

• Federal Conditions: Detailed examination of the Trump administration's five-page letter to Harvard, which stipulates various reforms to ensure compliance with federal civil rights laws.
• Harvard's Opposition: The hosts argue that Harvard's refusal to adhere to these conditions exemplifies the institution's commitment to ideological principles over legal compliance.
• Concept of Diversity: A critical view is presented on Harvard's interpretation of diversity, suggesting it prioritizes ideological conformity over genuine viewpoint diversity.

Notable Quotes:

• Clay Travis [33:10]: "Universities have become indoctrination labs... they enforce rigid orthodoxy."
• Clay Travis [40:44]: "Harvard is digging in, and they're claiming that they're digging in in defense of free speech, but what they're really digging in on is they don't want to change their policies."

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Conclusion and Call to Action

The episode concludes with a call to action for listeners to subscribe and support their initiatives, emphasizing the need to combat what the hosts perceive as radical leftist influence in politics and academia.

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Summary: In this episode, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton, joined by Senator Ted Cruz, argue that the Democratic Party is actively supporting the admission and defense of illegal immigrants with criminal backgrounds and fostering radical leftist ideologies within elite academic institutions. They critique federal policies aimed at regulating universities like Harvard, asserting that such measures are necessary to uphold federal civil rights laws and prevent ideological indoctrination. The hosts call for greater awareness and action to counter what they describe as the Democrats' departure from traditional values and national security interests.

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Well Ever since the election in November, Democrats have been flailing about, they have been unable to coalesce behind any clear platform, any clear policy agenda other than hatred for Donald Trump and anger at rage at the voters for reelecting him. They've now seemed to settle on two policy positions, which I have to admit are curious policy positions for a party that was just resoundingly defeated at the polls. Number one, Democrats have apparently decided the issue that's going to bring them back to power is that Democrats want more illegal aliens, and especially more illegal aliens who have been found by courts to be members of MS.13. That's a fairly remarkable position and yet that is where they are. Secondly, they have decided that what we need in our college campuses is more antisemitism, more radicals, more pro Hamas protesters, and more anti American zealots who hate our nation. Now I gotta say, Ben, as I say both of those propositions, the words coming out of my mouth sound absurd, except for the fact that that is exactly where today's Democrat Party has decided to land. We're gonna lay out the facts behind both of those. Both the all in Democrat rush to get behind bringing more illegals who are Ms. 13 gang members back into this country and the Democrats defense of Harvard University which has decided they're not going to change a damn thing. They're going to continue to discriminate on race and they're going to continue to let in every anti Semite they want to. And who the heck is the federal government to try to enforce civil rights laws against them. We're going to break both those stories down today.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Well, there was an illegal immigrant whom the Trump administration deported to El Salvador, Abrego Garcia is his name. And he was here illegally. Everyone admits that he came into this country illegally. And he was also adjudicated not once but twice to be an Ms. 13 gang member. Now, President Trump has determined Ms. 13 to be a terrorist organization. And so he was apprehended and he was deported by the Trump administration. Now, it so happened that there was a court order that said not that Brego Garcia could not be deported, but that he could not be deported back to El Salvador, which is where he's from. He's an El Salvadorian national. And that court order was a long, it was an older court order that that was missed, that was overlooked. And he was deported and sent to El Salvador. And the Democrats have decided that that that error is sufficient reason. They are jumping on airplanes and headed down to El Salvador to apparently go camp outside the prison camp where terrorists and murderers and rapists are held to say, you know what America needs is more of those terrorists, murderers and rapists back in America. Now, I gotta say that that's a stunning position. So here's how the Washington examiner put it. Quote, to hear Democrats like Chris Murphy tell it, Garcia was just an innocent, doting father who was randomly targeted by the Trump administrations to be sent to El Salvador's terrorism confinement. Senator, the Supreme Court then ordered Trump to return this, quote, legal resident back to the United States. Trump has refused, sending our nation into a constitutional crisis. Senator Chris Van Hollen has even announced that he's going to personally travel to El Salvador to bring Garcia home because you know that's what you want. Is Democrats trafficking any legal immigrants? Sure. The problem is that Democrats leave a lot out of Garcia story, and the truth makes Trump's failure to return him quite reasonable. For starters, Garcia was not in the United States legally. By the way, nobody disputes that. That is undisputed. By his lawyer's own admission, he enters the country illegally in 2011. Then, eight years later, Garcia was arrested at Home Depot while illegally soliciting employment the Princess George's. The Prince George's County Police Department then transferred him to Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which began deportation proceedings against him. As a defense to deportation, Garcia tried to claim asylum, claiming that his life was in danger from the Barrio 18 gang. But his asylum claim was denied and the judge ordered his removal. Let me repeat that statement. But his asylum claim was denied and the judge ordered his removal. Now, here's the sentence that. That complicates it. The judge did, however, grant Garcia a, quote, withholding of removal order forbidding his removal to El Salvador. But that did not make him a legal resident, as Garcia's own lawyers admit. Should the Trump administration wish to remove plaintiff Abrego Garcia to any other country, they would have no legal impediment in doing so. And so these are the facts that the Democrats have decided their party is all about. You want to know what is today's Democrat Party stand for? More illegal immigrants? More gang members? That. You know what, this ain't your grandfather's Democrat Party.

[Buck Sexton]

So you've done international trips before. And if I remember the name, I think it's Codell. So is this an official like delegation? If it's senators and congressmen going down there, this is a real Codell. And are the American taxpayers going to pay for this photo op?

[Clay Travis]

Yes. And look, that's one of the prerogatives of being in the Senate, is that you can travel internationally on official travel and each senator can make a determination of where he or she wants to go. And it should be related to your responsibilities, related to your work, but particularly for someone like Van Holland or Murphy. They both serve with me on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. And so that in and of itself gives you a significant justification to travel abroad, work related. Let me give you an example of that. If you go back during the first Trump administration, when President Trump moved our embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, that's something I had been fighting for for the entire time I've been in the Senate. Presidents from both parties, both Republicans and Democrats, had promised to move our embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, and presidents in both parties had broken that promise. Well, Donald Trump followed through on that promise, and it was the right thing to do. It was something that I advocated vigorously to President Trump repeatedly in the Oval Office for him to do so, and he did. When we were opening our embassy about a year later, I decided I wanted to be there. And so I went down and I traveled down, and there were a number of other senators, a number of other House members that went. And you know what was striking, Ben, is when the embassy was opened, it was actually on the date of the 70th anniversary of the creation of the modern state of Israel. Not a single Democrat member of Congress came. Chuck Schumer didn't come. No Democrat senators came, no Democrat House members came. By the way, historically, many congressional Democrats, including Chuck Schumer, had called for moving our embassy to Jerusalem, but when it was actually moved, none of them came. And several of them whined publicly. Well, the Trump administration didn't invite us. Well, you know what? They didn't invite me either. I don't think they invited any member of Congress. They just opened the embassy. I ended up going, and I actually ended up going with Mike Lee and Lindsey Graham. And I was literally walking along in the Capitol, and I turned to Mike, who's a very dear friend of mine, and I said, mike, we're going to open the embassy in Jerusalem. I've been fighting for this for years. I want to be there. Do you want to be there, too? He said, absolutely, let's go. And Lindsey wanted to come, too. And so we went out of our official budgets. We had the ability to purchase plane tickets and travel. And so we traveled there to be there. We met with Prime Minister Netanyahu. We met with senior government officials. That's part of the job. So, look, can the Democrats travel to El Salvador if they want? And is that part reasonably, of their work? Yes, but what they're doing is traveling there in order to highlight. We want to bring this illegal immigrant, whom two courts have found as an Ms. 13 member, back to America. That's astonishingly bad policy and I think, astonishingly bad politics.

[Buck Sexton]

You mentioned that this is, I agree with you, astonishing policy and bad politics. But the media has been giving them cover on this story. If you listen to the media. I was watching msnbc, for example, and they were. They. They were talking. You were the one. Yeah, I was the one. Right. And I was. I was watching, and they had the mother who said, we're. It's an X number of days since he has disappeared. And I'm like, well, hold on. If he's disappeared, then how do you guys know where to go to find him and see him and to have this delegation go down there? Which one is it? He's disappeared or you know exactly where he is? And of course, the answer is they obviously know where he is. But MSNBC was like, we, we stand with you to the mother. Like, we're with you in solidarity right now to his wife. And I'm laughing because none of the facts have come up about not one, but two courts saying this guy's an MS.13 gang member.

[Clay Travis]

None of these Democrats could even bring themselves to utter the name Lincoln Riley. None of these Democrats could bring themselves to utter the name Jocelyn Nungaree. None of these Democrats could bring themselves to utter the name Rachel Marin. The American victims who were murdered by criminal illegal aliens whom Democrats had released, they won't acknowledge, they won't fight for, they don't care about. At the State of the Union, when Alexis Nungree, Jocelyn Nungaree's mom, was sitting next to the first lady, Melania Trump, and the president introduced her. I know Jocelyn's mom really well. She's an incredible young woman who's shown great courage and fortitude not a single Democrat in the chamber would applaud for. So they cannot bring themselves to stand with Americans whose children have been murdered by violent illegal immigrants whom they've released. But you give them an illegal immigrant ordered deported by a court determined to be an MS.13 gang member, and they are all in. And I want you to listen to this exchange. So in the Oval Office, the president of El Salvador, President Bukele, was here this week and he met with President Trump in the Oval Office. And there were a number of members of the Cabinet there. And cnn, of course, immediately asked, are you going to send this individual back? And the exchanges is quite striking. President Bukele, his answer was quite strong. And President Trump asked three people, asked Pam Bondi, the attorney general, asked Stephen Miller, who's the deputy chief of staff and an expert on immigration law, and asked Marco Rubio all to respond to CNN's, quote, questions. And I got to say that their answers were a masterclass in how to deal with media misinformation and disinformation. It's a lengthy excerpt, but it's worth hearing because it really does lay out the truth and expose the media lies. Give a listen who your administration says was mistakenly deported.

[Ben Ferguson]

The man who was mistakenly deported to El Salvador.

[Ted Cruz]

Well, let me ask Pam, would you answer that question? Sure, President. First and foremost, he was illegally in our country. He had been illegally in our country. And in 2019, two courts, an immigration court, and an appellate immigration court ruled that he was a member of MS.13 and he was illegally in our country. Right now, it was a paperwork. It was additional paperwork had needed to be done. That's up to El Salvador. If they want to return him, that's not up to us. The Supreme Court ruled, President, that if as El Salvador wants to return him, this is international matters, foreign affairs. If they wanted to return him, we would facilitate it, meaning provide a plane.

[Clay Travis]

So will you return?

[Ted Cruz]

And you are doing a great job.

[Clay Travis]

Thank you.

[Buck Sexton]

Thank you.

[Ted Cruz]

Wait a minute. Can you just also respond to that question? Because, you know, it's asked by CNN and they always ask it with a slant because they're totally slanting, because they don't know what's happening. That's why nobody is watching them. But would you answer that question also?

[Clay Travis]

Yes, gladly.

[Stephen Miller]

So, as Pam mentioned, there's an illegal alien from El Salvador. So with respect to you, he's a citizen of El Salvador. So it's very arrogant even for American media to suggest that we would even tell El Salvador how to handle their own citizens as a starting point, as two immigration courts found that he was a member of Ms. 13. When President Trump declared Ms. 13 to be a foreign terrorist organization, that meant that he was no longer eligible under federal law, which I'm sure you know you're very familiar with the ina, that he was no longer eligible for any form of immigration relief in the United States. So he had a deportation order that was valid, which meant that under our law, he's not even allowed to be present in the United States and had to be returned because of the foreign terrorist designation. This issue was then by a district court judge completely inverted. And a district court judge tried to tell the administration that they had to kidnap a citizen of El Salvador and fly him back here. That issue was raised to the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court said the district court order was unlawful and its main components were reversed 90 unanimously stating clearly that neither Secretary of State nor the president could be compelled by anybody to forcibly retrieve a citizen of El Salvador from El Salvador who again is a member of Ms. 13, which, as I'm sure you understand, rapes little girls, murders women, murders children, is engaged in the most barbaric activities in the world. And I can promise you, if he was your neighbor, you would move right away.

[Ben Ferguson]

So you don't plan.

[Stephen Miller]

But the Supreme Court's asking to.

[Ted Cruz]

In the Supreme Court. Steve, was it nine to nothing?

[Stephen Miller]

Yes, it was a nine.

[Buck Sexton]

Zero in our favor.

[Stephen Miller]

In our favor against the district court ruling saying that no district court has the power to compel the foreign policy function of the United States. As Pam said, the ruling solely stated that if this individual, at El Salvador's sole discretion, was sent back to our country, that we could deport him a second time. No version of this legally ends up with him ever living here because he is a citizen of El Salvador, that is the President of El Salvador. Your questions about it per the court can only be directed to him.

[Clay Travis]

I asked.

[Ben Ferguson]

Can President Bukele weigh in on this? Do you plan to return him?

[Ted Cruz]

Well, I suppose. You suggested that I smuggle terrorists into the United States. Right. How can I smuggle, how can I return him to the United States? Like I smuggle him into the United States or what do I do? Of course I'm not going to do it. It's like, I mean, the question is preposterous. How can I smuggle a terrorist into the United States? I don't have the power to return him to the United States. But you can release him inside El Salvador. Yeah, but I mean, we're not very fond of releasing terrorists into our country. We just turned the murder capital of the world to the safest country of the western hemisphere. And you want us to go back into the releasing criminals so we can go back to being the murder capital of the world and that's not going to happen. Well, they'd love to have a criminal, you know, released into it. I mean, there's a fascination. They would love it. Yeah, they're sick. These are sick people. Marco, do you have something to say about that? Yeah, I mean, Steven Eitland to. I don't understand what the confusion is. This individual is a citizen of El Salvador. He was illegally in the United States and was returned to his country. That's where you deport people back to their country of origin. Except for Venezuela, that wasn't refusing to take people back of places like that. I can tell you this, Mr. President. The foreign policy of the United States is conducted by the President of the United States, not by a court. And no court in the United States has a right to conduct the foreign policy of the United States.

[Buck Sexton]

It's that simple, Senator. You can hear it there. They laid out the facts, the facts that the media are not telling the American people. They laid out the connections to the terrorist organization, which is Ms. 13. They laid out the facts that not one but two judges have said he's an Ms. 13 gang member. And oh, by the way, when the media says, this guy did nothing wrong, he was in the country illegally, he broke into the United States of America. So the entire thing is propaganda from the left.

[Clay Travis]

It is. And by the way, I will say on X, multiple media outlets have tweeted about this illegal immigrant who's been adjudicated to be a gang member. They keep describing him as a, quote, Maryland father. Since when does an illegal immigrant who happen to be living in Maryland make him a Maryland father? Yes, he was in fact apprehended in Maryland, but he is from El Salvador. It's why, actually they asked the President of El Salvador, are you going to send him back? And at the end of the day, the President of El Salvador said, look, why would I smuggle a terrorist into the United States? This is someone who's been found to be a member of Ms. 13, it is illegal for him to come to America. You're asking me, would I bring an illegal immigrant terrorist into America? My answer is no. And the media has no answer for that. They're like, no, no, no, we want that. And what's astonishing, okay, nobody's surprised. CNN wants more illegal immigrant terrorists into this country. MSNBC wants more illegal immigrant terrorists into this country. Now, to be fair, CNN and MSNBC don't have to get votes. They just have to appeal to radical leftists. But Democrats presumably want to get votes from normal people. This is a very curious issue for them to lean all in on. But I gotta say, this defines who today's Democrat Party is.

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[Clay Travis]

Yeah, Harvard gets roughly $9 billion in federal taxpayer dollars. So it gets an enormous amount. Now. It's a huge research institution and it does some good research. It does medical research and scientific research. And some of that research is valuable. But what the Trump administration has announced, the Joint Task Force on Combating Anti Semitism has announced that it's freezing over $2 billion in multi year grants and contracts to Harvard. And that was following the school's president putting out a statement saying it would not comply with the Trump administration's demands on anti Semitism. And I gotta say this is a battle that Harvard and a lot of academic institutions are putting out statements in support of Harvard. So brave. So brave. Now I will say most other institutions, when the Trump administration has threatened their funding, they've caved and they've caved very quickly. But the other institutions are happy to applaud Harvard and say yes, yes, yes, lose your funds. You're so brave. And what is striking is that Democrats, Barack Obama, the Democrat governor of Massachusetts are all lining up behind Harvard. And there is a reason when you look at the core basis of the Democrat Party. You know, there was a time in a prior generation when the Democrat party was considered a blue collar party in the age of fdr. It was a party of union members and working class. And in fact, one of the reasons that FDR was treated with contempt is because he was a very wealthy person, as many Democrats are. But he was considered a, quote, traitor to his class because he was a rich man who became a historic Democrat leader. Well, that Democrat party doesn't exist anymore. The Democrat party no longer cares about the blue collar. And in fact, they routinely destroy blue collar jobs. Today's Democrat party is a party of coastal elites, and it is a party that is comprised of big universities and big business and big tech and big Hollywood, all of whom have overlapping problems. All of them are in bed with China. And all of them have been taken over by radical leftism, by cultural Marxism, as you know. The most recent book I wrote is entitled how to Defeat Cultural Marxism in America. And each chapter breaks down a different major institution that's been captured by the radical left. The first chapter is entitled Universities the Wuhan Lab of the Woke Virus. And what I argue is that it is universities and sadly, my alma mater, Harvard, where the Woke virus was first created in a lab and then it mutated and spread, and it spread throughout just about every other major institution in this country. And so Harvard has been the locus of, of much of the radical leftism and cultural Marxism that has done enormous damage to our institutions. And Harvard is digging in, and they're claiming that they're digging in in defense of free speech, but what they're really digging in on is they don't want to change their policies, number one, that discriminate on race. They love discriminating on race. They love dei, they love putting race front and center, which by the way, is directly contrary to federal civil rights law. And they also want to continue admitting radical anti Semites. They want to continue looking the other way at pro Hamas protesters who threaten Jewish students, who threaten violence, who threaten intimidation, who call for genocide. And they want to continue admitting and promoting anti American radicals. And that includes both students and faculty. And so when the administration put a series of demands in place, Harvard said, no, I gotta tell you, Harvard thinks they want this fight. In my opinion, the Trump administration is eager for this fight with Harvard. And you could not ask. Harvard has an endowment of over $50 billion. And you know, one of my favorite responses to that, to Harvard's supposed stance on principle, where they talked about standing for the First Amendment, is Hillsdale College, which is a great college. It is a conservative college, a free market college, but one of the things they do is they don't take federal money. And Hillsdale actually tweeted, well, you can say anything you like, just don't take federal money. And oddly enough, Harvard doesn't want to do that. They want the taxpayers to fund them, but they want to continue to be embracing racism and vitriolic anti American sentiment while at the same time being funded by American taxpayers.

[Penny Pritzker]

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At this, this fight, I do think one of the very interesting parts of all of this that we're talking about is now Americans are really waking up and realizing like where their money has been going, how much of it is going. And you're right, there's some of this is research and that's something we can be proud of and that's a good thing. But a lot of this is going to indoctrinating kids with radical leftist ideals. And that's part of the reason why I think they won't need this money, right? They want the money for that reason. They've been doing a great job of doing that for the last several decades. So if the money does dry up at places like Harvard and then we start to see more questions being asked about other money, not only could this change universities in a positive way, I think for free speech and not having one set of views that are indoctrinated. But it could also save the taxpayers a hell of a lot of money. Because it's not just Harvard that's getting cash.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, yeah, but Harvard is the perfect test subject. And our universities right now have become indoctrination labs. They become places that enforce rigid orthodoxy. And if you say something that is contrary to the radical leftist view, you risk being disciplined, you risk being having your grades, and you also risk just not being admitted. And look, some of the question comes down to a very simple what is it that the administration was requesting? Because if the administration was demanding Harvard must teach in every class that Donald Trump is the greatest president to have ever lived, I would agree with Harvard that no university could give in to a government demand about a specific position like that, particularly if it's one they disagree with. But that's not what the Trump administration said. And I have in front of me the letter that the Trump administration said. It's five pages. I'm not going to read it all, but I'm going to read some of some of the portions of it. So it is addressed both to Alan Garber, who is the president of Harvard University, and to Penny Pritzker, who is the lead member of the Harvard Corporation. Penny Pritzker, by the way, was a cabinet member under Barack Obama. And the Harvard Corporation runs all of Harvard. And it's this privately held corporation of all Democrats that run Harvard as this left wing bastion. Here's how the letter begins. Dear Dr. Garber, the United States has invested in Harvard University's operation because of the value to the country of scholarly discovery and academic excellence. But an investment is not an entitlement. It depends on Harvard upholding federal civil rights law. And it only makes sense if Harvard fosters the kind of environment that produces intellectual creativity and scholarly rigor, both of which are antithetical to ideological capture. Harvard has in recent years failed to live up to both the intellectual and civil rights conditions that justify federal investment. But we appreciate your expression of commitment to repairing those failures and welcome your collaboration in restoring the university to its promise. We therefore present the below provisions as the basis for an agreement in principle that will maintain Harvard's financial relationship with the federal government. Here's the first. Governance and leadership reforms. By August 2025, Harvard must make meaningful governance reform and restructuring to make possible major change consistent with this letter, including fostering clear lines of authority and accountability. Apparently, that was objectionable. Empowering tenured professors and senior leadership, and from among the tenured professorate senior leadership exclusively Those most devoted to the scholarly mission of the University and committed to the changes indicated in this letter. Reducing the power held by students and untenured faculty. Reducing the power held by faculty, whether tenured or untenured, and administrators more committed to activism than scholarship. Now, again, this is something Harvard found unacceptable. We're not willing to focus on scholarship instead of activism. Nope, that's a violation of what we want to do. And reducing forms of governance, bloat, duplication or decentralization that interfere with the possibility of the reforms entered indicated in this letter. So that's the first one. Apparently something was objectionable about that. What's the next one? Merit based hiring reform. By August 2025, the university must adopt and implement merit based hiring policies and ceased all preferences based on race, color, religion, sex or national origin throughout its hiring, promotion, compensation and related practices among faculty, staff and leadership. Now, mind you, that is existing federal civil rights law. You cannot discriminate against based on race. And yet for Harvard, that is it is outrageous. Of course they want to discriminate based on race. It's an ideological commitment. What's the next one? Merit based admissions reform. By August 2025, the university must adopt and implement merit based admission policies and ceased all preferences based on race, color, national origin or proxies thereof throughout its undergraduate program, each graduate program individually, each of its professional schools and other programs. Again, the idea of actually admitting students based on merit rather than discriminating based on race, which, mind you, discriminating based on race is illegal under federal civil rights law to Harvard, is anathema. What's the next one? International admissions reform. By August 2025, the university must reform its recruitment, screening and admission of international students to prevent admitting students hostile to the American values and institutions inscribed in the U.S. constitution and Declaration of Independence, including students supportive of terrorism or anti Semitism. Again, apparently that is outrageous and unacceptable. The next one viewpoint diversity and admission and hiring. By August 2025, the university shall commission an external party which will satisfy satisfy the federal government as to its competence and good faith to audit the student body, faculty, staff and leadership for viewpoint diversity such that each department, field or teaching unit must be individually viewpoint diverse. Now, notably, they're not saying hire conservatives. They're not saying hire Trump supporters. They're saying you cannot have a faculty that is universally orthodox and indoctrinating that all have the same view that you know, the left loves to prattle on about diversity as our strength. And by diversity they mean we must all be leftists who believe the same thing. But say so with different skin colors. Now. I actually think diversity means having different ideas, confronting ideas you disagree with. Look, I go through these to give an example. I think each of those demands are very reasonable. They're saying, comply with federal law. Be an institution that actually does what you say, what you claim to be doing. And yet Harvard is outraged. How dare you hold us to the terms of federal law. We cannot comply with that.

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