BONUS: Trump vs. Harvard, plus Tesla Terrorist Released from Jail BECAUSE He's Transgender

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show Episode: BONUS: Trump vs. Harvard, plus Tesla Terrorist Released from Jail BECAUSE He's Transgender Release Date: May 6, 2025

In this compelling bonus episode of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, host Ben Ferguson engages in a dynamic conversation with Senator Ted Cruz. The discussion centers around President Donald Trump's administration's aggressive stance against Harvard University and a controversial case involving the release of a transgender individual accused of domestic terrorism. This detailed summary captures the key points, insights, and conclusions from their engaging dialogue.

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1. Presidential Assault on Harvard’s Tax-Exempt Status

Timestamp: [02:49] - [13:34]

Senator Ted Cruz delves into President Trump's bold move to revoke Harvard University's tax-exempt status, citing the institution's alleged discriminatory practices. He underscores the significance of this action by highlighting Harvard's long-standing reputation and substantial endowment.

Senator Ted Cruz [02:49]: "President Trump has publicly announced that the administration is going to end Harvard's tax exempt status. This administration is going to war with the nation's oldest and most prestigious university."

Cruz references the 1983 Supreme Court case Bob Jones University vs. United States, where the Court revoked a university's tax-exempt status due to racial discrimination. He contends that Harvard's current practices, including alleged antisemitism and racial discrimination, provide a strong legal foundation for the administration's actions.

Senator Ted Cruz [10:31]: "Harvard will litigate, they will go to court, and this will be a battle that will go to the U.S. Supreme Court."

However, Cruz remains cautiously optimistic, acknowledging the uphill battle given the Supreme Court's composition, predominantly adorned with Ivy League alumni.

Ben Ferguson [12:01]: "I'm going with eight."

Senator Ted Cruz [12:05]: "Eight out of nine."

2. The Pyramid of White Supremacy at Harvard

Timestamp: [16:45] - [19:38]

Cruz criticizes a Harvard Divinity School course that he claims propagates a broad and unfounded definition of "white supremacy." He enumerates various terms and concepts that the course allegedly labels as white supremacist, ranging from the KKK to policies like NAFTA.

Senator Ted Cruz [16:47]: "The Anti Defamation League is, according to these radicals, an example of white supremacy."

Ben Ferguson [17:11]: "What is that one? MAGA."

Senator Ted Cruz [17:14]: "Make America Great Again is white supremacy."

Cruz argues that such a curriculum indoctrinates students with radical leftist ideologies, blurring the lines between legitimate academic discourse and political propaganda.

3. Harvard Law Review and Affirmative Action

Timestamp: [26:24] - [32:36]

Drawing from personal experience, Cruz shares his tenure at the Harvard Law Review. He alleges that the selection process for editors has become increasingly biased towards affirmative action, disadvantaging those based purely on merit.

Senator Ted Cruz [29:16]: "And you'll see that they will discriminate based on race and they will also discriminate on the articles they pick."

Cruz recounts internal debates about affirmative action within the Law Review, highlighting what he perceives as the erosion of meritocratic principles in favor of racial quotas.

Senator Ted Cruz [32:36]: "That is the very explicit left-wing charter that affirmative action is based on."

4. Release of Transgender Individual Accused of Domestic Terrorism

Timestamp: [32:36] - [36:18]

The conversation shifts to a controversial case where Owen McIntyre, a transgender individual charged with domestic terrorism for firebombing Tesla Cybertrucks, was released from custody. Cruz criticizes the judicial decision, attributing it to what he terms "woke politics."

Senator Ted Cruz [35:49]: "It's woke politics taken to the level of insanity that to get a sex change treatment is now reason to be forgiven for domestic terrorism."

Ben Ferguson adds a sardonic remark, questioning the accountability of individuals who leverage transgender status to evade punishment.

Ben Ferguson [35:10]: "If you're going to jail, just say you're doing a gender transition and apparently then the law cannot hold you accountable for your terrorist action."

Cruz emphasizes the broader implications of such judicial leniency, suggesting it undermines the legal system's ability to enforce accountability.

Senator Ted Cruz [36:18]: "This insanity is a big part of the reason Donald Trump won in November and we got a Republican House and a Republican Senate."

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Notable Quotes

• Senator Ted Cruz [02:49]: "President Trump has publicly announced that the administration is going to end Harvard's tax exempt status."

• Ben Ferguson [04:19]: "If I ever get arrested, I'm just letting you guys know I'm gonna identify as a chick."

• Ben Ferguson [12:01]: "I'm going with eight."

• Senator Ted Cruz [12:05]: "Eight out of nine."

• Senator Ted Cruz [16:47]: "The Anti Defamation League is, according to these radicals, an example of white supremacy."

• Senator Ted Cruz [35:49]: "It's woke politics taken to the level of insanity that to get a sex change treatment is now reason to be forgiven for domestic terrorism."

• Ben Ferguson [35:10]: "If you're going to jail, just say you're doing a gender transition and apparently then the law cannot hold you accountable for your terrorist action."

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Conclusion

This episode underscores Senator Cruz's critique of perceived institutional biases within elite educational establishments and judicial leniency towards transgender individuals involved in criminal activities. The dialogue reflects broader Republican concerns about the influence of "woke politics" on American institutions and legal processes. Cruz and Ferguson articulate a narrative advocating for the preservation of meritocratic principles and accountability within higher education and the justice system.

For listeners seeking an in-depth analysis of these contentious issues from a conservative standpoint, this episode offers a thought-provoking exploration of the intersection between politics, education, and social justice.

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[Ben Ferguson]

Welcome in his verdict with Senator Ted Cruz. Ben Ferguson with you. It's so nice to have you with us on this Monday morning. And Senator, Harvard sure is making you proud right now.

[Senator Ted Cruz]

It really is extraordinary. President Trump has publicly announced that. That the administration is going to end Harvard's tax exempt status. This administration is going to war with the nation's oldest and most prestigious university. The stakes are massive. They're tens of billions of dollars. The stakes are, can a university getting federal funds discriminate based on race? Can they promote antisemitism? The establishment will roar back mightily. It's going to be a serious legal fight. We're going to break down what's likely to play out, what the basis is of what the administration is doing and what the risks are of what the administration is doing. We're also going to break down a really amazing story we've covered previously. Elon derangement syndrome and how it's led to domestic terrorism. Firebombing of Tesla factories. Well, we now see a story where Elon derangement syndrome is merging with just out of control wokeness. And one of these domestic terrorists that firebombed a Tesla dealership has been released from federal custody. Why is that? Because the terrorist is transgender. And the judge ruled, well, the, the, the gender transition treatment was more important than punishing domestic terrorists. So you gotta let him out of jail. It really is astonishing. We're gonna walk you through those facts as well.

[Ben Ferguson]

Yeah, it is. It is amazing to see what can get you out of jail. If I ever get arrested, I'm just letting you guys know I'm gonna identify as a chick, so just want to get that on the record. You can use it America how you want.

[Senator Ted Cruz]

And I for one find. I for one find that very plausible. Ben, you. You look cute. Cute in tennis skirts.

[Ben Ferguson]

Just wait. If you ever get arrested, I'm just saying there's a good chance you'll do it too, if this is how the system's gonna work.

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[Senator Ted Cruz]

Well, Harvard is the oldest university in America. It was founded in 1636. It is the wealthiest university in America. It has a $53 billion endowment, and for a long time it's been the most prestigious university in America. And I think President Trump is exactly right going after Harvard because it is the birthplace of Woke. As you know, my last book, how to Defeat Cultural Marxism in America, I describe colleges and universities, and especially Harvard, as the Wuhan lab of the Woke virus. It's where it was invented, it's where it mutated, and it's where it spread. Now, going after Harvard and denying them their tax exec exempt status, what does that mean if their 501c3 status is revoked? It means Harvard pays taxes, just like a for profit institution. It also means contributions to Harvard are no longer tax deductible. So if you give money to Harvard, you can't deduct them from your taxes. Both of those are a huge, huge deal. If that happens, if the Trump administration follows through, Harvard will litigate, they will go to court, and this will be a battle that will go to the U.S. supreme Court. And on one level, the Trump administration's legal arguments are very strong, but at another level, it's an uphill fight given who the Supreme Court is. So we're gonna break down both pieces of that. Why is the legal argument strong? Well, I'll tell you, the case that would be front and center if, if we. If this goes to the court is a case called Bob Jones University versus United States. And it was decided by the Supreme Court in 1983. And what happened in 1983 is the IRS revoked the 501C3 status of Bob Jones University because Bob Jones University had a policy that prohibited interracial dating. There was another school, Goldsboro Christian Schools, that had a racially discriminatory admissions policy. And likewise, the IRS revoked Goldsboro's 501C3 exception. That case went all the way to the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court ruled 8 to 1 that the IRS could revoke the 501C3 exception. And they did so by concluding that it was contrary to public policy to promote racial discrimination was contrary to public policy objectives in the United States. And that will be the basis. It was 8. 1. Chief Justice Berger wrote the majority opinion. There was only one dissent. The dissent was William Rehnquist, who wrote a dissent and said, look, under the terms of 501c3, under the statute, they don't specify whether the purposes are good or bad. And so we shouldn't allow them to do that. But eight justices said, well, yes, we should, and that's what we do. That will be the basis. Now under that case, Harvard has a real difficult time. And it has a real difficult time because it has for a long time openly and brazenly discriminated based on race. And it is also openly and brazenly created an environment that discriminates against Jewish students and promotes antisemitism. Both of those are huge, huge, huge factual problems. And the facts, particularly at Harvard, there was just a scathing report on anti Semitism that walked through the incredible pattern of anti Semitism that Harvard has promoted, welcomed, and used to persecute Jewish students. And that, on the face of it, is contrary to federal civil rights law. And so the Trump administration's legal argument on the merits is quite strong.

[Ben Ferguson]

You look at the legal arguments here and there's a lot of people that are going to just be angry about the story itself and the fact that you're rewarding people for going after Jewish students. I mean, how is this not an award to the student by saying, hey, we, we're sanctioning what you did. We know you're taking a bag of rat, but hey, here's a bunch of money for you to go ahead and say, we're behind you. That seems to be what the university's saying. Otherwise, why on earth would you give this cash?

[Senator Ted Cruz]

Yeah, look, and there are twin issues here. The Trump administration has already cut $2 billion, frozen $2 billion in direct federal funds that it was sending to Harvard. That's a big deal. The 501c3 status is an even bigger deal. And so both of those, the basic principle is if a university is violating federal civil rights law, if they're discriminating based on race, if they are discriminating against Jewish students, if they're discriminating against Anglo students, if they're discriminating against Asian students, all of which Harvard has been doing, why should the federal government be giving them money? And why should they get a special benefit under the tax laws? Now, why is it that I say this is an uphill fight? Because the Supreme Court is an institution that is elite and that is very much birthed of the establishment. Let me ask you, Ben, of the nine Supreme Court justices, how many of them do you think went to Ivy League schools?

[Ben Ferguson]

I'm going to go with eight. Of the nine.

[Senator Ted Cruz]

You would be correct. Eight.

[Ben Ferguson]

Yeah.

[Senator Ted Cruz]

How many went to Harvard Law School?

[Ben Ferguson]

Pause. I finally got one right, because this is what you do in this show if you're new. I know he likes to haze me every episode with something he knows I don't know the answer to. And I just, I.

[Senator Ted Cruz]

Well, you just got it right.

[Ben Ferguson]

In this moment. Eight out of eight. I'm one for a thousand right now.

[Senator Ted Cruz]

Well, let's keep going. How many do you think went to Harvard Law School?

[Ben Ferguson]

I'm going to go with seven. Out of nine.

[Senator Ted Cruz]

Four. Four went to Harvard Law School, four went to Yale Law School, and we're sorry, eight justices. Of the eight justices, four went to Harvard Law School. Four went to Yale Law School. Of the 18 degrees, they have college degrees and law degrees. Of the 18 degrees, how many of them do you think are Ivy League? Degr.

[Ben Ferguson]

I'm going to guess 9 out of 9. 15.

[Senator Ted Cruz]

15 out of 18. The only one that doesn't have an Ivy League. Yeah, the only one that doesn't have an Ivy League degree, is Amy Coney Barrett, who went to Rhodes College in Notre Dame. But if you look at it, this is an institution that is steeped. Steeped in Harvard and the institution. In fact, Elena Kagan was the former dean of the Harvard Law School. And so I think they are going to be highly resistant to the notion that Harvard's 501C3 status can be revoked. And I will tell you, they're also going to be concerned about the slippery slope of what happens with the next administration.

[Ben Ferguson]

All right, so, Senator, here's the question that I think a lot of people listening are going to want me to ask. And that is, it sounds like this would be much of an uphill battle for the President. I think he probably knows that his staff does. But is this also as much about sending a message to other universities that if you think that we're gonna turn a blind eye to this, you're wrong and we're gonna be watching you closely?

[Senator Ted Cruz]

Of course it is. Look, Harvard is the big kahuna. And so going after Harvard is meant to send a message to every other school that violating the civil rights law, discriminating based on race, discriminating against students on their skin color, on their race, on their religion, is contrary to federal law. And there will be real consequences. You look, for example, Harvard just released a scathing report on antisemitism on campus, and it found that politicized instruction in four Harvard schools had, quote, mainstreamed and normalized what many Jewish and Israeli students experience as anti Semitism. And the four schools were the Graduate School of Education, the Th Chan School of Public Health, the Divinity School, because, of course, if you're studying divinity, you're going to be a racist. And the medical school, all of which have been targeted by the Trump administration for, quote, egregious records of antisemitism or other bias. And the report concluded that at those schools, Jewish students and Israeli students were routinely ostracized, subject to instruction, quote, that effectively made a specific view on the Israel Hamas conflict, a litmus test for full classroom participation. And let me give you one example that's just an amazing thing. A required school course in the School of Education taught something called the Pyramid of White Supremacy. And. And this document is. Is. Is really it. It's a chart. If you look at it on Twitter or online, it'll. It'll blow your mind. But it's a pyramid of white supremacy. And here are all the things that it's describing as white supremacy. The. At the top Is the kkk. Okay, we're agreed. KKK very bad. I'm against lynching. Terrible. I'm against burning crosses. Very, very bad. Racial slurs jokes. Terrible. Hate crimes. Terrible. Antisemitism. Kind of interesting. Bombing black churches. Japanese incarceration. Operation Wetback. Now, Operation Wetback was an Eisenhower federal government program deporting illegal aliens. So that is now white supremacy. To deport illegal aliens. And the Muslim ban, which was President Trump's policy in the first term, that. That was restricting immigration from countries with, with high percentages of radical Islamic terrorism. All right, so that's the first part of the triangle. You can agree with some of it, you can disagree with some of it, but then it starts to get really loony. You know what the next one listed is?

[Ben Ferguson]

What is that?

[Senator Ted Cruz]

The Anti Defamation League. The adl. The Anti Defamation League exists to fight against anti Semites. So the Anti Defamation League is, according to these radicals, an example of white supremacy. What's the next one? All lives matter. So if you say all lives matter, that's white supremacy. You know what the next one was? You're going to love the next one.

[Ben Ferguson]

What's that one?

[Senator Ted Cruz]

Maga.

[Ben Ferguson]

Well, of course, you got to add that one to the list.

[Senator Ted Cruz]

That just make America great again is white supremacy. This is what Harvard's teaching. I'm going to just go through some of the more of these illegal aliens. That's white supremacy. Thugs, read, redlining, Hussein Obama, Confederate symbols, life after hate, cve, welfare queens, the war on drugs. If you're opposed to illegal drugs, that's white supremacy. Reverse racism, anti affirmative action, anti bds. So if you are opposed to boycotting, divesting, and sanctioning Israel, then you're a bigot, black identity, extremist, community policeman. All right, you know what else is white supremacy?

[Ben Ferguson]

I can't wait. Liking Donald Trump or Ronald Reagan or Ted Cruz. I'll go with one of those three.

[Senator Ted Cruz]

Well, those are all clearly on their chart. They don't specify it. Although MAGA was up right up top. Color blindness. Now, mind you, that is literally what Dr. Martin Luther King said on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, that we want a nation where people can be judged by the content of their character and not the color of their skin. But according to these radicals, Martin Luther King is apparently a white supremacist.

[Ben Ferguson]

This is like a food pyramid for hating conservatives. Isn't.

[Senator Ted Cruz]

Is. I'm gonna give you some other examples. Mass incarceration, tsa, random searches, police apologists. So if you defend the police, you're a White supremacist US Military rescue operation Stop and frisk the myth of meritocracy. Understand if you believe in merit. These lunatics say that is racist English Only the school to prison pipeline victim blaming anti Kaepernick. So if you don't like Colin Kaepernick taking a knee during the national anthem, you are a white supremacist. Columbus Day Mind you it is a federal holiday but. But nevermind that. And then it gets to the bottom of the pyramid and it lists things like settler colonialism, slavery, Wall street, the Great recession, corporate interests, the stock market, greed, nafta. Did you know NAFTA is white supremacy?

[Ben Ferguson]

Unbelievable.

[Senator Ted Cruz]

According to this chart, outsourcing McCarthy is a migrant workers Manifest destiny. The very settlement of America. Oil pipelines are white supremacy. The war on terror and the corporate media are all white supremacy. This is wackadoodle stuff. And this is taught in a required course in the Harvard Education school.

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[Ben Ferguson]

So let's talk about the mindset of Harvard for a second and these other universities. It it does seem pretty clear that they believe that they're never going to be touched. And even if they are, their endowments are so big that they think they're probably going to be just fine and liberals will continue to give. Does that not go back to the point the President's bringing up? Which is why the hell are we giving all of these places this money They're Fine on their own. They're acting like they don't need us. Uh, that they are hardcore against conservatives and others that don't basically go with this pyramid of hate of conservative ideals. So let's just decouple and say you guys do you and we'll keep our tax dollars.

[Senator Ted Cruz]

Well, look, there's real value to that. I will say that there is research money that is spent in colleges and universities that is worthwhile, that is useful. There's scientific research. There's research, say at medical schools where you're trying to research the cure for cancer, you're trying to research a cure for Alzheimer's, you're trying to cure deadly diseases. There is scientific research that the Department of Defense pays for, for example, that is developing high tech lasers or other equipment that has significant defense needs. And so there is a role for scientific research. And much of the scientific research that happens in our nation happens in research universities. All of that would be fine if, and this is a big if, universities were not flagrantly violating federal civil rights laws. Let me give you more from this report. At Harvard, at the Divinity School, Jewish students were subject to the embrace of a pedagogy of de Zionization in which instructors attribute to Jews two great sins. First in the Levant, the establishment of the state of Israel and the Palestinian Nakba, and second, in the United States, participation in white supremacy. So the Harvard Divinity School teaches Jews the existence of the state of Israel is racist, and Jews also, they teach, are white supremacists. That is flagrantly in violation of federal civil rights laws. And sadly, it is something that Harvard openly embraces as they fight.

[Ben Ferguson]

This final question. Is there an opportunity through this legal challenge for us to even be able to find out more about what Harvard is doing? Is that part of what could happen? And the upside here is, hey, we get to ask more questions, we get to see more behind the books. We get to see more of the propaganda that we were talking about right now.

[Senator Ted Cruz]

That is absolutely right. And I'm going to say the facts are going to get worse and worse as they come out. Harvard doesn't want people to know the facts. So, for example, there were a whole series of stories that came out about the Harvard Law Review. Now, what is the Harvard Law Review? The Harvard Law Review is a legal journal that's at Harvard Law school that has 80 students who are student editors. And getting on the Law Review is incredibly prestigious. It is incredibly difficult to do. Typical Harvard Law School class is about 560 people. So you have about 40 people out of 560 that make it on the class, make it on the Law Review. When I was there, I was on the Law Review. When I was there, roughly half of the editors on the Law Review made it from a combination of grades and a week long, incredibly arduous writing competition. Another roughly half made it from purely the writing competition. But when I say roughly half, at the time it was 32 were grades in writing, 32 were just writing, and then 8 were reserved for affirmative action. That's when I was there. Now, by all appearances, it has gotten much worse. It was brazen then, it was racially discriminatory then, but it is now much worse. The Harvard Law Review now uses race explicitly to, number one, select their editors. And by the way, becoming an editor at the Law Review increases your chances of getting a judicial clerkship dramatically increases your chances of, of getting a Supreme Court clerkship dramatically increases your chances of getting hired by a big prestigious law firm that pays lots of money, dramatically increases your chances of becoming a professor at a prestigious university dramatically. So the Law Review is a major gateway to elite success in the legal world. And the Harvard Law Review now in writing, they're quite open in saying that they will discriminate for editors based on race and they will also discriminate on the articles they pick. So, for example, in a 2024 memo, one journal article argued that the fact that the author was, quote, not from an underrepresented background was a negative when it came to evaluating the piece for publication. There is a, quote, holistic review committee which now selects nearly half the student editors and has made the inclusion of, quote, underrepresented groups its first priority.

[Ben Ferguson]

So to be clear, what you're saying.

[Senator Ted Cruz]

Is violates Title 6.

[Ben Ferguson]

So to be clear, you're saying there's a chance now that if you were at Harvard, you wouldn't get picked. Is that what you're telling me?

[Senator Ted Cruz]

You know, I don't know and you don't know. So I say that what's interesting about it is you genuinely don't know. It was one of the things that they're very clever in how they discriminate. Because you don't know on what basis you were admitted. I had the grades to get in on grades, and I think I did well in the writing competition. But I have no idea which of the slots I was in. Cause nobody does. They don't tell you. They just announce the 40 editors that have gotten in. So I don't know. But I'll tell you a story I've told Before. So when I was on the Law Review, there were a number of conservative editors and we made a run at ending affirmative action in the Law Review. And I have to admit, I sat back, there was, we were, all 80 of us were gathered in a classroom and we were debating this. And there were some other students that were really kind of leading the charge, some other conservatives. I agreed with them, but I also could count votes. And out of the 80 students, there were maybe eight or 10 of us that were conservatives. We were a tiny minority. So I was like, look, we ain't gonna win the vote, but alright, this is fine, let's have the debate. So we're having the debate. And I was sitting in the back, it was fairly quiet. And I remember this one supercilious liberal stood up and said, if we eliminate affirmative action, the Harvard Law Review will be nothing but white men. And I have to admit, I was kind of a little bit checked out in the back of the room. And I heard that and that pissed me off. And I said, you know what? You want to understand why affirmative action is so insidious? The arrogance of that imbecile just showed it. His belief as an enlightened leftist is that if merit were the only criterion, only white men would get in that no one who is African American would get in. No one who is, who is Hispanic. And let's be clear, I'm Hispanic. He's sitting there. And in fact, I told him, I said, all right, big guy, you want to pull your transcript out and my transcript and drop them on the table right there. Let's see what pure merit produces. But there was something even more dripping in his leftist condescension, which is at the time, the Harvard affirmative action program did not include gender. So there was not affirmative action for women. And I said to all the women editors, do you hear what he just said to you? He believes if it's pure merit, no women would make it. And by the way, historically, all the women editors who were liberals voted against adding gender to affirmative action because they recognized that if it was added to it, that, that, that people, it would devalue what they had accomplished. But it showed the. Just the absolute arrogance of the left when it comes to embracing racism because at the end of the day, they look down on the poor benighted people that will only succeed in life with their beneficence. And by the way, the price for that beneficence is for them to be loyal and obedient for the rest of their lives. I mean, that is the very explicit left wing charter that affirmative action is based on.

[Ben Ferguson]

Which brings us to another story where this stuff started on college campuses and now it's made our way into courtrooms. The Tesla arson suspect, one of them. And there's a lot of them out there. Right, but this one specifically. And we'll get to the story of, of what happened here in a second. But has been quote, released because of gender transition. Would be at risk if they didn't release. So if you're going to jail, just say you're doing a gender transition and apparently then the law cannot hold you accountable for your terrorist action.

[Senator Ted Cruz]

So there's an individual named Owen McIntyre who was on spring break in Missouri and he firebombed two Tesla cybertrucks. He threw Molotov cocktails. He firebombed it, he got caught and he was charged. Charged with domestic terrorism. And then what happened is his federal public defender argued that going to jail will disrupt his gender affirming medical care, which began in March of this year. It is likely to be interrupted or terminated entirely if he remains in pretrial detention. And the federal magistrate judge bought that argument and let him go. And let me say one of the craziest things about this story you and I, Ben spent 20 minutes trying to figure out if this defendant is male or female, by the way. And the pride.

[Ben Ferguson]

He's not lying. I want to be clear about that. We literally are googling everything like, is it a dude is a chick and we don't know what it is? Like, that's the insanity of the world.

[Senator Ted Cruz]

We live in and we can't tell. And you and I actually disagree. So I think this is a person who was born female who has decided that she is a he and wants to be a man.

[Ben Ferguson]

Yeah.

[Senator Ted Cruz]

And the reason I think that, the reason I think that is we've googled it and every damn story uses he, he, he, he, he, and, and given the insane Orwellian world we live in, I, I think if ABC is referring to this person as a he and, and the person is transgender, that that to me means the person was born a she. Now your argument is, Ben, this is.

[Ben Ferguson]

A dude that grew out his hair.

[Senator Ted Cruz]

And looks like a chick, then why does all the media refer to this person as a he?

[Ben Ferguson]

I, I, Because I think everybody's lost their damn minds. That's what I think. And I think, I mean, fact that we even are at the point where we have to have this discussion tells you how insane the world is.

[Senator Ted Cruz]

You literally every story I Clicked on. I googled it and clicked on story after story. And there's not one that actually describes the facts one way or the other. So. Damned if I know. But either way, look, the federal prosecutors argue this person is a domestic terrorist. They're throwing Molotov cocktails. And it is woke politics taken to the level of insanity that to get a sex change treatment is now reason to be forgiven for domestic terrorism. Although, to be fair, it's not forgiven. It's released from pretrial detention, but it is still insane.

[Ben Ferguson]

Well, but it's helping you, right? It's helping you not be held accountable for your actions. And it's also, I think, pretty clear that we're saying if you wanna not be held accountable for your actions, just claim something that's woke and these radical judges will be like, oh, we totally understand. Let's just change the rules for you because you're in our. You're in our special protected class and we wanna see you succeed in your transgenderism, which is not supposed to be the job of the court.

[Senator Ted Cruz]

Well, I gotta say this. This insanity is a big part of the reason Donald Trump won in November and we got a Republican House and a Republican Senate. Cause I think a lot of people are looking at this and saying, this stuff is crazy.

[Ben Ferguson]

Amen to that. Don't forget, we do the show Monday, Wednesday and Friday. Hit that subscribe or auto download button so that you do not miss an episode. Please share the episode wherever you are on social media because it really does help us reach new people. And on those in between days, grab my podcast, the Ben Ferguson Podcast. I'll keep you updated on the latest breaking news, and the senator and I will see you back here on Wednesday morning.

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