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Welcome into the Buck Brief, everybody. My friend Inez Felcher Stepman joins. She is a legal and policy analyst at the Independent Women's Forum and a New Yorker, which is going to come in very handy because one, I feel like I encouraged her. Not that it was my idea, but I encouraged her to move to New York. I was living in New York at the time. I said, you and your husband are going to love it, and I think they do. But now you have a mayor who Trump is meeting with. Maybe that'll help. Maybe a mayor who is a commie by the name of Mamdani. What do you think about what he's going to do? How are you feeling about this? Because you're in the blast radius we are.
Inez Felcher Stepman
Yeah. I think the scariest thing, honestly about his agenda is a lot of the public safety things that he promised, or I should say anti public safety moves that he's promised. We've just heard that he's keeping on Jessica Tisch as commissioner. She's been very good. I do not envy her in this position. Right. Because clearly she's going to be having a lot of disagreements with the mayor over policy. But the sort of policies that he's proposed, I Mean, beyond just the defunding the police. I mean, the dsa, that wrote a lot for a large part of his platform, believes in basically the opposite of broken windows policing, making all misdemeanors and not crimes anymore. Or maybe.
Buck Sexton
Maybe their version of broken windows is just break all the windows.
Inez Felcher Stepman
Yeah, exactly. If all the windows are broken, then everyone is equal. No. So, I mean, that's really quality of life. And that's something that the mayor has a lot of control over. Some of his other schemes, he has less control over changing, you know, soaking the rich to the degree that he wants. He can certainly make things harder for high earners in the city. But, you know, he does need buy in from Albany. He needs, you know, he. He needs to some extent to work with the federal government, even for some of the housing plans that he has, because the feds actually pay New York for a lot of that. So there's a lot of levers kind of cabining him in his position, but not really over public safety. The mayor really is able to do a lot in terms of pulling the cops out of the subways. I'm worried about NYPD resignations. I wouldn't say. Who wants to be the first cop to have to shoot a black perp who's trying to kill you under the Mondani administration and become the new poster child for racism in America?
Buck Sexton
Yeah, I could see that. This, that's the part of it. The economic stuff, I think, will be far less, at least in terms of the policies that he wants to implement, because one, it's out of his power or something. You see him talking about the bus situation, he's like, he's like, we're going to have free buses. And Hochul's like, well, no, like, we're not going to back that in Albany at the state level, and you need us to, or else you can't do it. And then he's just like, well, the important part is that we want to do it. Well, no, I don't think that's actually how it works. I think they get to figure out how to do it.
Inez Felcher Stepman
Yeah, I mean, fortunately, some of this stuff is not going to happen. And like you, I'm less worried about the economic pieces, although I think it just depends how long he's mayor. Right. I. I think he could do a lot of damage over time. I just think it's going to take him more time. There's going to be a lot of setbacks and where he wants to go, there's going to be a lot of levers pushing against it. I am less worried about that. I'll say. It's not that I, you know, obviously I think what he's saying is insane economically, but I am less worried about that than I am about public safety, about. I'm worried he's going to take his, like, the NYPD foot off of the protests. One of the reasons that we don't have riots with these Palestinian protests as opposed to in 2020, is that the NYPD is, you know, is there on the scene. They do a really good job of crowd control. That's actually something specifically that Linda Sarsour has demanded. And the people who helped elect Van Dami have demanded that they disband this particular part of the nypd, that it does crowd control and makes it so that it's not summer of 2020 every time there's a protest in New York City. So those are things he can do right away, and those are the things I'm worried about.
Buck Sexton
Yeah, we'll have to see. Why do you think Trump has this meeting with him? What's the. Do you think he just wants to size him up, or is it. He just recognizes that the optics of this, of Trump versus the commie looks good? Like, what's your take on that?
Inez Felcher Stepman
I mean, I don't think it needs an explanation. He met with Kim Jong Un, right? Trump is willing to meet with anybody. Putin dummy. He's a confident negotiator. Maybe he thinks he can cut a deal, man. And who would. Who would count it out with his track record? So, no, I don't think Trump. I think Trump is just as part of his personality and the way he looks at the world, he's always willing to talk with anyone, but it doesn't mean he's going to give them anything they want.
Buck Sexton
Were you a little. You a little surprised? I mean, I think Trump is hilarious, but this thing where he. Some reporter was interrupting him and he goes, quiet, Piggy.
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That was naughty. I was like, that's Naughty Trump right there.
Inez Felcher Stepman
Apparently, the woman's name is Peggy, so.
Buck Sexton
Really?
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Inez Felcher Stepman
So I'm not sure that he actually said piggy, although I almost want it to be that way.
Buck Sexton
I saw. I saw a photo, and she's not heavy, so it's not a fat joke.
Inez Felcher Stepman
Evidence. And her name is Peggy, so she's neither heavy nor is. And her name is close to Piggy. And I feel like this is actually one of those things that didn't actually happen, but.
Buck Sexton
Oh, man.
Inez Felcher Stepman
I was just like.
Buck Sexton
Because the way he Just looks at her. It's just like, quiet piggy.
Inez Felcher Stepman
Quiet, quiet piggy.
Buck Sexton
Like, what is he? He's the President of the United States.
Inez Felcher Stepman
Wait, I still remember when Joe Biden told that guy, what was it?
Buck Sexton
Dog face, pony soldier. Dog face, pony soldier. Wasn't that what it was or.
Inez Felcher Stepman
Yeah, yeah, that was, that was Quiet Pat. Yeah, he said he told somebody Quiet Pat.
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Inez Felcher Stepman
Yeah. I mean this has been a conservative goal for literally since the department was created in 1979. Reagan wanted to dismantle it and didn't manage it. Right. So this is not one of those things that is any different from what conservatives have been saying for 30 or 40 years. But of course when Trump does it, everybody freaks out because he actually followed through on it. No. So there are a bunch of programs that are line item appropriated by Congress within and they're, they're administered by the Department of Education. And the Trump administration is saying, well, we're keeping everything that Congress has forced us to keep. Now we're going to go to Congress and ask them to scale back some of that stuff. But that's not within our power to change. What we can do is dismantle the actual department as an administrative body and put some of these programs where they might belong more appropriately. So for example, I think ultimately they haven't done it yet, but ultimately I think student loans might go to treasury, for example. There's pieces of this that went to the Department of Labor, went to the like, you know, programs having to do with health in schools are going under hhs. So they're, they're spinning out the programs that are actually appropriated by Congress. But Congress, like there's no reason why the department itself has to exist. All of those bureaucrats have to exist. The Department of Education is essentially a pass through entity. It takes a bunch of money and parcels it out to the states on a variety of program basis. Some of those things, as I said, are required by Congress. Some of them are vague. And Department of Education bureaucrats have been distributing dollars to all kinds of awful things for a long time. There's also a large piece of the department. I'm especially curious to see what they do with it. I assume it'll go back to doj, but the Civil Rights Division OCR within the Department of Ed, now that's been a crucial part of the Trump administration. They have done a fantastic job enforcing the Civil Rights act against universities. I would not like to see that dismantled. And currently I don't think DOJ really has the staff. I mean they're over, they're overrun with things to do as it is. So I'll be watching for where that ends up going. But overall, like this is, this is a promise that he's following through on and something that Linda McMahon promised as well, publicly. So they're the only difference between what conservatives have been yelling about for 50 years and what's happening now is that as always, it took Trump to actually execute it.
Buck Sexton
So there's also this, this whole bunch of reporting that I've seen, Inez, about the test scores for let's California schools. I'll focus on that one first. California schools have seen enormous drop offs in the test scores of incoming students. And even at the college level, I was reading that they have kids coming in now who can't do fractions who are in college. Like that's where their math level is, which, I mean people do fractions in like sixth, seventh grade, I think, think something like that or fifth grade maybe. What is going on with the move away from test scores? It feels like the data is so clear and shouting so loudly that everyone's going to have to go back to really using test scores pretty consistently.
Inez Felcher Stepman
Yeah, I mean, there's just so many layers of bad progressive policy that have led us to this point. Let's start with the universities and work our way backwards into K12. Obviously, in recent years, a lot of universities have dropped the requirement to submit the ACT or the SAT scores, and they've done it purely on essay and then gpa, I'll point out. And these are really basic questions that you're talking about. This is actually my alma mater, ucsd. We're talking about basic multiplication of fractions, really basic algebra 1 and 2 questions, multiplying polynomials, that sort of thing. Maybe people remember from their own high school era. These are really basic math concepts. And out of the kids in those remedial math classes, like some huge percentage, I think 20% of them had a 4.0 in math and the average GPA within math was 3.7 for those kids who could not do fractions. So we'll get to the K12 system in a minute. But first of all, they're admitting people were unqualified, especially since they dropped the only objective piece of the application process. And I've been a longtime critic of the College Board and sat, but this is the most objective piece of the application process. They've dropped that in recent years and that's really spiraled downwards, a trend that has gone on for longer. And then of course, they're admitting people on the basis of race. They especially want to bolster as many their admissions package with as many blacks and Hispanics as possible. And the problem is there aren't enough black and Hispanic applicants with actually the kind of especially test scores, but even GPA to match the overall academic rigor of the university. So that's the university piece of this.
Buck Sexton
But, you know, you're also why all.
Inez Felcher Stepman
These kids had 4.0 and they can't do fractions in math.
Buck Sexton
That's what I was going to. How does that happen?
Inez Felcher Stepman
Yeah, and that's obviously a longer conversation, but we have. One of the things that the education establishment has been bragging about for the last decade is how graduation rates and attainment rates have gone up. Well, it turns out that we haven't actually done any better job of teaching kids anything reading math. In fact, we've done a worse job if NAEP scores from the last round are to be believed. But we're just passing them through the grade levels, we're giving them good grades Even though we're giving them good grades for showing up. Right. Maybe for making an effort. But we're not actually evaluating whether or not these kids are gathering the skills that they need to pass on to the next grade. And that's why you have people getting into the University of California with a 4.0 in math who cannot multiply fractions. So, but that's those. Those are also all progressive ideas within education, and it's because they haven't had any competition. Every time anyone criticizes the very poor job they've been doing for decades and educating American children, the answer is always, well, we need more money. Well, per. Per capita per student spending has gone through the roof. It's nearly tripled in recent decades, and we are one of the highest spenders per student in the entire world. And yet those results are going nowhere. But that's always the answer, right? We need more money. Even though they have not done a good job with the money that they're getting, which is, by the way, $800 billion annually in K12.
Buck Sexton
If I could make you the head of the, like, New York State public school system, is there. I don't even know that's such a job. But is this fixable, putting it at the state level? Right. Like, I know we're getting rid of the Department of Education, so it's not like there's some education czar who can make everything better. But are there ways, do you think, to reform this system that are meaningful?
Inez Felcher Stepman
I don't think there's any shortcut to utopia, but I do think there are a number of things that could be done to make things better. One is very obviously to give parents more control over the dollars that are spent. You're mentioning New York. I mean, New York spends upwards of $30,000 per. Per child per year. You know that that is more than the tuition of most private schools, and they have abysmal results. So that would be the first thing on my list. School choice. I know everybody likes school choice, and it seems like a very patent trite answer, but I truly do believe, you know, I believe in the Friedman maxim, right, that, that people will choose a better education for their child. They will care about whether or not their child reads more than some faceless bureaucrat in the district office, especially when they can just slap a 4.0 on that kid and getting him into, you know, the state school. Right? So I do think that school choice not only provides the competition, it also provides the leverage over curriculum over, you know, decisions about whether or not to Lane children in particular ways. I just, I think that parents are better, frankly, at making these decisions than bureaucrats who have never met a child, the child in question. The second thing is I would restore a kind of classical curriculum that is both interesting and rigorous. I mean, we talk all the time about how boys are more disengaged from K12 education than girls are, but have you looked at the reading lists for the average eighth grader? Now, Ivanhoe is not on there. It's all about women sitting in a corner chatting with each other. It's House on Mango Straight and the Joy Luck Club. There's nothing for boys to be interested to read. And frankly, I think most of the selections, the DEI type selections, where you care what percentage of your author's list is. You know, LGBT is not good for girls either. It's. It's not challenging material. And ultimately it doesn't raise kids up into a universal world where they then have the references going through life to understand real literature, to understand, I don't know, a speech by Abraham Lincoln. So we. There is a huge classical education movement that is burgeoning. It gives me a lot of hope. I think a lot of parents are. I know for my own child, I. That's. We were probably looking at homeschooling for some period of time and then trying to find a classical school. Because it's not just that the standards have fallen through the floor and that we're not even doing the basics of phonics. It's that there's nothing inspiring or elevating about the sort of. The sort of things that they're teaching. It's not just pushing the woke out. It's putting good things in the curriculum. And I, I think that a lot of people in America are hungry for that kind of education for their children.
Buck Sexton
Inez Felcher, Stepman, always good to see you. And congrats again on baby June. Super exciting. As a fellow parent of a little one, it's the best, isn't it?
Inez Felcher Stepman
So fun, so cute.
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Episode: Buck Brief - Did Trump Shout Quiet Piggy?
Date: November 24, 2025
Host: Buck Sexton
Guest: Inez Felcher Stepman (Legal/Policy Analyst, Independent Women's Forum)
This episode of "The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show" features Buck Sexton with guest Inez Felcher Stepman for a "Buck Brief" segment. The discussion centers on recent political developments in New York City, Donald Trump's interactions with the new mayor, and a viral "quiet Piggy" controversy. It then shifts to the dismantling of the Department of Education under the Trump administration and a broad critique of the state of American public education, especially regarding the move away from standardized testing and declining student achievement.
[04:11–08:10]
“The scariest thing, honestly, about his agenda is a lot of the public safety things that he promised…” — Inez Felcher Stepman [04:48]
“Maybe their version of broken windows is just break all the windows.” — Buck Sexton [05:26]
[08:10–08:53]
“I don't think it needs an explanation. He met with Kim Jong Un, right? Trump is willing to meet with anybody… He's a confident negotiator. Maybe he thinks he can cut a deal, man.” — Inez Felcher Stepman [08:26]
[08:53–10:05]
What Happened:
"I think Trump is hilarious, but this thing where some reporter was interrupting him and he goes, quiet Piggy. That was naughty. [...] That's Naughty Trump right there." — Buck Sexton [09:03]
"Apparently, the woman's name is Peggy, so..." — Inez Felcher Stepman [09:07]
Presidential Zingers:
[10:06–13:44]
“They're spinning out the programs that are actually appropriated by Congress. But Congress, like there's no reason why the department itself has to exist... The Department of Education is essentially a pass through entity.” — Inez Felcher Stepman [12:20]
[13:44–17:54]
Declining Achievement in California and Beyond:
“Out of the kids in those remedial math classes, like some huge percentage, I think 20% of them had a 4.0 in math and the average GPA within math was 3.7 for those kids who could not do fractions.” — Inez Felcher Stepman [14:36]
Root Causes:
Progressive Policies Criticized:
[17:54–20:54]
School Choice & Parental Control:
“New York spends upwards of $30,000 per child per year… That is more than the tuition of most private schools." — Inez Felcher Stepman [18:16]
Restoring Classical Education:
“Have you looked at the reading lists for the average eighth grader? Now, Ivanhoe is not on there. It's all about women sitting in a corner chatting with each other. It's House on Mango Street and the Joy Luck Club. There's nothing for boys to be interested to read.” — Inez Felcher Stepman [19:04]
Homeschooling and Classical School Movement:
The conversation is lively, irreverent, and incisive, blending humor with sharp critique. Buck and Inez riff on political absurdities, media exaggerations (like “quiet piggy”), and share a deep skepticism toward progressive education policies and bureaucracy. The tone is conversational, occasionally sarcastic, and strongly opinionated, especially regarding public policy and education reform.