Buck Brief - Everything We Know – and Don’t – About the Demonic Epstein Case - The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

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The Buck Sexton show podcast. Make sure you subscribe to the podcast on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podc here's what we know and don't know about the Epstein case. A lot of you sending me questions and want more analysis on this. So I figured we'd keep going and work through this together. First of all, there seems to be this movement now to believe among some people that not just the FBI director and the Attorney general, so Kash Patel and Pam Bundy, but even Trump himself have been compromised. That is to me, not in the realm of reality. I don't see that at all. And I want to explain why some of you are going to be annoyed at me on this. But let me get to There's a lot of stuff we still don't know and this is not case closed, as I said in the other earlier podcast. But here's why I don't believe this, that people are feeling as though they've been, well, there's the feeling of whiplash from what was promised versus what is delivered. That is valid. There was an overpromising of information and action around Epstein from the top of the doj, whether it was the binders, influencer event, statements made on Fox News. There was overpromising and that has caused problems of perception on this issue. That is true. That is true. And that people feel rightly so that they were and I mean maga, I mean Trump supporters, some of them feel like they were misled on this issue. There was an exaggeration at work here and that this should not have, this is not the way it should have gone down. All of that is valid. I think all of that is true and all of the frustration that is being felt right now as a result of that makes sense to me, I get it. Right? People are told. Now, I just want to say on the JFK files and the MLK files, some people were promising a lot on that and people were having these big podcasts about all the revelations. And I told you, there's nothing in those files. Okay? There's nothing in those files. That doesn't mean that there's stuff about jfk, MLK Jr's assassinations that I don't know or that other people don't know. Fine. But I did know that there was nothing in the, the declassified files coming out that was going to shake anyone's world. And I told you that. And I've said that on the radio, I've said that on podcast, okay? On the Epstein stuff. I also knew that there was going to be this disconnect between the revelations and what was being said because to me, there would be no way that if they had hard evidence of people doing the crimes, the sex crimes that were believed to be occurring, not Epstein specifically, we know he did sex crimes. I'm talking about other people, right? The so called client list that I don't believe they had the hard evidence of that and suppressed it. Now, this is where things get nuanced and this is where I need people to follow me here. That doesn't mean that I don't believe it happened. I do believe it happened. Here are things that have to be kept in one's head at the same time. And I do not believe any of this requires a cognitive dissonance or is self refuting or anything like that, that there's any contradiction in this thinking. Say we work through this piece by piece. Were people in MAGA led to believe that there'd be much bigger revelations and there would be accountability with regard to Epstein than what we have been shown here and what has happened? Absolutely, yes. And is that, is that a mistake? Is that a blunder? Yes. Yes. Was the way this was handled by Pam Bondi with that memo on a Sunday night and then the somewhat dismissive attitude about it the next day or the day after that in the cabinet meeting, was that adding fuel to the fire? Yes. Was it a blunder not to address the 60 seconds of video in the suicide video stuff with Epstein ahead of time instead of waiting for people to notice that there were 60 seconds missing? Yes. Okay. So all those things I view as absolutely true is this whole thing, this whole Epstein saga of, of the demonic, is this whole thing deeply depressing from the perspective of one just humanity and what was done to these young Girls and everything. Yes. Also the failures of the Justice Department early on and the justice system early on, to hold this man accountable and to. And to get some measure of justice, and very importantly, to stop him from doing more of this, because it didn't stop him from doing more of this. Is that a massive failure of our justice system? Yes. Okay, now we get to where people disagree with me, or rather, there's a little more friction. I think everyone can agree with me on all of that, and I believe all of that is true. I'm not always right, but I always say what I think is true. And I'm almost always right. I'm just saying, not always right, almost always right. But I always tell you what I think is true. And I try very hard to be really devoted to that principle, whether it's here on this podcast or on the radio show or on TV or any. Anything that I do. Okay, now here's. Did the FBI, or is the FBI suppressing information that it has about individuals who committed sex crimes in the Epstein Ring? I don't believe that. And here's why. I don't believe they're doing that. And here's why. I don't believe that the people who have access to that information, including President Trump himself, would do that. I don't believe that they would do that. Now, you can disagree with me on that, but that means that you would think that Cash Patel and Dan Bongino, Don Dan Bongino and Donald Trump and others are willing to protect child predators because of some other agenda. And I fundamentally reject that. I know these people. I've known them a long time. And, you know, I understand you could say, well, you never really know somebody totally. But I do not believe that. And I don't think a lot of the people that are lobbying these accusations on the Internet right now about Cash and about Dan and about others, whatever, say it to their face. And I don't mean, oh, because they would get their asses kicked. And in the case certainly of Dan, no offense, Cash, that's probably true. But I think it's because this has now become an outlet for the outrage of people about the whole thing, to direct those individuals. And I don't think that that's fair. I don't think. I think. Now you can point to some of their earlier statements, both Cash and Dan and AG Bondi, I think, has made a lot of errors in this regard. They weren't on the inside. They were just like me and you. They were going on the news stories and they thought As I thought, I truly thought and still think that there is a broader conspiracy with Epstein. Now they're looking at the evidence. They're saying, look, we don't have evidence to prove the following. Ok, so the blame going on them I don't agree with and I think that that's unhelpful at this point in time. I also think that there should be a willingness administration to give further clarification about some areas where there's remaining to be. There remains open questions like how did Epstein get all of his money? And we need to have that memo they put out was way too skimpy, not nearly enough. And the people, and particularly maga, who supported Trump once again and delivered this huge victory and were promised transparency on this, should have more information. Where did this guy's money really come from? And have they tracked down every financial lead they have on this and give us that information? Because if it exists, it has not been made accessible enough. It has not been made clear enough. Because again, I think this goes to do I think there were other men in Epstein's orbit who committed serious sex crimes? Yes, I do. Do I think the FBI has evidence of that in their possession now? No, I don't. Do I think that that evidence was destroyed, you know, tapes eliminated, erased earlier before this administration came in? Yes, I do. Now I'm going on belief here based on my analysis. I don't know. Okay, I'm just like you. I read the news, I read what's going on. Well, I talk to some of these people personally so I have some insight into what they're dealing with, what's going on and I've known some of them for a long time. But in terms of the facts of this Epstein case, I have never been privy to any non public information. But I'm telling you what I believe and where we are now and I'm hoping that this will help all of us, you know, take a beat, continue to ask some questions about this. Cuz I think there need to be questions asked. But also let's not get the torches and the pitchforks out for the administration on this one. All right, so there's that. Now the, so that's on the blame portion. There's the what we agree on portion, there's the blame portion. Now we get to. And also people are saying, oh they're flipped or you know, people are telling me like Israel got to you or something. Come on. Honestly, people who say stuff like that just need to me grow up. Israel got to me. What does that even Mean, or maybe Russia got to me, right? That's what the Democrats used to do with Trump all the time. This is nonsense. No one got to me. I'm telling you what I believe, all right now. And no one got to. A lot of the other people out there who are trying to tell you what they think is that have there been some screw ups in this. Yes, there have been screw ups. So people's frustration is understandable and warranted. I'm not dismissive of this and it was not helpful that the administration put out that memo and then was dismissive. Ok? That was a bait and switch. It was. There was whiplash. That's not good. They screwed up. Sometimes even, you know, the people that you think are doing the best job or the right people for the job, they screw up. They screwed up on this, all right? And you know, you hold them to that account, fine. But you know, Cash and Dan are covering for an evil global pedo ring. No, that is not. That is not how. Those guys are not doing that. All right? Those guys are not doing that. In my opinion, based on everything that I know. And if I'm wrong on this one, you know, I mean, I'm not going to be wrong on that. But you know, if there's some part of this that I'm missing, I'll address that later. Okay? And now we get to the part where I think also some of you who are mad at me right now, also some of you are mad that I'm even talking about this. But I gotta tell you, there's a lot of passion in MAGA about this right now. Overwhelming comments, emails, everything on this issue. I'm trying to talk about illegal immigration enforcement. I'm trying to talk about the economy. I'm trying to talk about. I want to talk about Maha, make America healthy again and the move. No, no, no, no, no. A lot of people say, sorry, we're not just moving past this, this Epstein thing, so you better dig in and explain to the best of your ability what's going on. So I'm trying to. I'm responsive. I work for you. I work for those who listen. I work for those who spend their time with me. You are my bosses. So I'm trying to cover this as best I can. And then I get into the areas of this where, where I think you'll. A lot of you who are frustrated with me right now will agree with me, which is, I think that there are people who are getting away with very serious sex crimes as a result of this investigation ending with no prosecutions beyond Epstein. I do. I believe that I will never name people because I don't know, and I don't have evidence. And that's. That's. That would be wrong, because I don't know. But I do know. But here's why I think that there's more stuff going on. Epstein was procuring illegally for different individuals, Women trafficking them, taking them across state lines or even international lines who are under 18 for illicit purpose. And we know of one person on the record by a victim who alleged that this had happened, and she had also alleged that there were other men, too. So I do not believe that everybody who's guilty here has been found at all. I don't believe that. So don't tell me. Oh, but Buck, you're saying that. No, I don't believe that everyone who committed crimes here has been held to account at all. And that's very frustrating, and I can respect that frustration. I do believe that there was a blackmail operation underway. I have not changed. I've seen. I have seen nothing to change my mind on that. The DOJ saying they don't have evidence of that is them just saying what they have in their possession. But I am an analyst. I'm a person who thinks through what is out there and tells you what my opinion is. I remember now they're saying that the only stuff that Epstein had that was on the sort of. The videos or, you know, the. The footage is child pornography he downloaded off the Internet. That's what they are saying. Meaning that there is no video of him or other people engaged in illegal sex acts themselves. Right. The possession of that underage pornography is. That's a very serious federal crime, and it's heinous and would send him to prison alone for 25 to life.
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But they're saying they don't have. Okay, well, then I asked this question. What was all the surveillance about? So. So all he had, because it wasn't like, external cameras on his house for security purpose. He had every room with videos and microphone mic'd up in rooms that had beds and, you know, massage tables. And he's clearly. So he wasn't keeping the videos of himself doing this stuff, nor was he keeping videos of anybody else doing this stuff. I don't believe it. I don't believe it. Do I think that that footage, that video has long since been erased and cleansed from the record? Yes. Yes, I do. Okay, so that's where there's a. I think there are more people who committed crimes who have not been held to account at all. And who, unfortunately, I think are going to get away with it. Just being honest with you, based on what we're seeing, if the evidence isn't there, the evidence isn't there. And then I also think that Epstein was trying to blackmail people. I also believe that still. And then we get to. Was there a foreign intelligence service involved in some capacity? That one I think is still likely, or maybe I would say possible. I think that is still possible. I am not as high in my confidence on that assessment as I am on the. There were other individuals involved and there was blackmail. Ok. So I wanted to get this all out there. I'm hoping that I'm not going to talk about this again because I think I've made this now as clear as I can what I see on this. But you know, just by way of review, there have been some screw ups in the way this was presented to the public as an information operation. This was messy from the administration side and they should have done better with this. I do not believe that the individuals who are getting a lot of heat right now are personally compromised and are lying to you. I do not believe that. I do believe that there are people who committed additional crimes who are getting away with it as part of the Epstein ring. I do believe that. And I do believe there's a blackmail operation that is running. And I think that there's still the possibility that there was a foreign intelligence involvement. That is how I see this. And I'm hoping that there could be, that there will be some breakthroughs perhaps in the future on this, more information. But when you're talking about criminal charges, especially of this nature, you've really got to be sure. You need evidence. You need evidence because even just bringing the charge destroys somebody's life. And I know you're saying, well, if somebody did some of the stuff that Epstein did, they deserve whatever. Yeah, but you got to be sure there are people who were in Epstein's orbit, who spent some time with him. I mean, there were a lot of people who were in Epstein's orbit, right? I mean, a lot of people took lunches with him and who didn't do anything criminal at all. And so it is important I know people right now. We all want justice and we want justice for the victims. But you don't want to create more victims in the sense of people whose lives are destroyed, who didn't do anything wrong, who didn't victimize any young girls, but are somehow, you know, people are just being reckless and making you know, allegations against them. And I know that that can, that's a, that's a delicate situation, but that's important here, too. So that's where I am with this. Hopefully the comment and I know the comments. Oh, you know, the Russians, Israel, you know, the Chinese, they got to you guys. No one got to me. I'm telling you what I think here, and I think I've been pretty consistent on this and I hope that I've explained my thinking on it and if there's something you want to add in or, you know, by all means. 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Summary of "Buck Brief - Everything We Know – and Don’t – About the Demonic Epstein Case"

Podcast Information:

Title: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
Host: iHeartPodcasts
Episode: Buck Brief - Everything We Know – and Don’t – About the Demonic Epstein Case
Release Date: July 10, 2025

Introduction to the Epstein Case Discussion

In this episode, Buck Sexton delves into the complex and controversial Epstein case, addressing public concerns, misconceptions, and the current state of knowledge surrounding the scandal. He emphasizes the ongoing nature of the investigation and the gaps that still exist in public understanding.

Current Public Sentiment and Misconceptions

Buck begins by acknowledging a growing belief among some groups that high-profile figures, including FBI Director Kash Patel, Attorney General Pam Bondi, and even former President Trump, have been compromised in the Epstein case.

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"There seems to be this movement now to believe among some people that not just the FBI director and the Attorney general, so Kash Patel and Pam Bondi, but even Trump himself have been compromised. That is to me, not in the realm of reality." ([03:50])

Buck firmly rejects these notions, asserting that such beliefs are unfounded and not supported by the evidence available.

Overpromising and Public Frustration

Buck discusses the disappointment and frustration felt by the public due to the perceived overpromising of information and action regarding the Epstein case by the Department of Justice (DOJ) and media outlets.

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"There was an overpromising of information and action around Epstein from the top of the DOJ, whether it was the binders, influencer event, statements made on Fox News." ([04:20])

He acknowledges that this overpromising has led to a mismatch between public expectations and the actual progress or revelations in the case, resulting in a sense of betrayal among Trump supporters and others.

Analysis of the DOJ's Handling of the Case

Buck critiques the DOJ's handling of the Epstein investigation, highlighting several missteps:

Memo Release and Public Communication:
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  "Pam Bondi with that memo on a Sunday night and then the somewhat dismissive attitude about it the next day... was that adding fuel to the fire?" ([06:10])
Suppression of Evidence:
- He expresses skepticism about the DOJ's claims that no substantial evidence exists beyond Epstein's known crimes, suggesting that potential evidence may have been destroyed or withheld.
Inadequate Transparency:
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  "They should have tracked down every financial lead they have on this and give us that information." ([09:30])

Buck emphasizes the importance of transparency and thorough investigation, especially regarding Epstein's financial dealings and potential connections to other influential individuals.

Rejection of Accusations Against Key Figures

Buck firmly rejects accusations that FBI officials and former President Trump are protecting individuals involved in sex crimes linked to the Epstein network.

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"I do not believe that the people who have access to that information, including President Trump himself, would do that." ([12:15])

He argues that these accusations are often a manifestation of public outrage rather than grounded in factual evidence.

Acknowledgment of Systemic Failures

While rejecting conspiratorial narratives, Buck acknowledges significant failures within the justice system that allowed Epstein to evade full accountability.

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"There was an overpromising of information and action around Epstein... that is a massive failure of our justice system." ([08:50])

He underscores the importance of holding the DOJ accountable for these shortcomings to restore public trust.

Speculation on Hidden Evidence and Ongoing Conspiracies

Buck speculates on the possibility that additional evidence exists but has not been made public, potentially implicating more individuals in Epstein's criminal activities. He also entertains the notion of foreign intelligence involvement, although he maintains a cautious stance on this hypothesis.

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"I think that is still possible... or maybe I would say possible. I am not as high in my confidence on that assessment..." ([16:10])

He calls for continued investigation and vigilance to uncover the full extent of the conspiracy.

The Importance of Evidence-Based Accusations

Emphasizing the ethical responsibility in making serious allegations, Buck warns against the dangers of unfounded accusations that can ruin innocent lives. He advocates for a careful, evidence-based approach to ensure justice for victims without creating additional victims through reckless claims.

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"You don't want to create more victims in the sense of people whose lives are destroyed, who didn't do anything wrong..." ([19:45])

Conclusion and Call for Continued Inquiry

Buck wraps up the discussion by reiterating his stance on the Epstein case: acknowledging the presences of systemic failures and possible additional crimes, while rejecting unsubstantiated claims against specific individuals without concrete evidence.

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"There are still open questions and that is how I'm analyzing this." ([23:10])

He calls for the public to maintain a balanced perspective, advocating for ongoing investigation and transparency to fully understand and resolve the complexities of the Epstein case.

Key Takeaways:

Rejection of Conspiratorial Claims: Buck dismisses theories that key officials and Trump are protecting Epstein-related criminals without evidence.
Acknowledgment of DOJ Failures: He recognizes significant shortcomings in how the DOJ handled the Epstein investigation.
Call for Transparency: Emphasizes the need for more comprehensive disclosure of financial and other evidence related to Epstein.
Ethical Responsibility: Urges caution against unfounded accusations to prevent harming innocent individuals.
Ongoing Investigation: Highlights that the Epstein case remains open with many questions yet to be answered, advocating for continued scrutiny and investigation.

Note: This summary focuses solely on Buck Sexton's discussion about the Epstein case, excluding advertisements and non-content sections for clarity and relevance.

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The Buck Sexton show podcast. Make sure you subscribe to the podcast on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podc here's what we know and don't know about the Epstein case. A lot of you sending me questions and want more analysis on this. So I figured we'd keep going and work through this together. First of all, there seems to be this movement now to believe among some people that not just the FBI director and the Attorney general, so Kash Patel and Pam Bundy, but even Trump himself have been compromised. That is to me, not in the realm of reality. I don't see that at all. And I want to explain why some of you are going to be annoyed at me on this. But let me get to There's a lot of stuff we still don't know and this is not case closed, as I said in the other earlier podcast. But here's why I don't believe this, that people are feeling as though they've been, well, there's the feeling of whiplash from what was promised versus what is delivered. That is valid. There was an overpromising of information and action around Epstein from the top of the doj, whether it was the binders, influencer event, statements made on Fox News. There was overpromising and that has caused problems of perception on this issue. That is true. That is true. And that people feel rightly so that they were and I mean maga, I mean Trump supporters, some of them feel like they were misled on this issue. There was an exaggeration at work here and that this should not have, this is not the way it should have gone down. All of that is valid. I think all of that is true and all of the frustration that is being felt right now as a result of that makes sense to me, I get it. Right? People are told. Now, I just want to say on the JFK files and the MLK files, some people were promising a lot on that and people were having these big podcasts about all the revelations. And I told you, there's nothing in those files. Okay? There's nothing in those files. That doesn't mean that there's stuff about jfk, MLK Jr's assassinations that I don't know or that other people don't know. Fine. But I did know that there was nothing in the, the declassified files coming out that was going to shake anyone's world. And I told you that. And I've said that on the radio, I've said that on podcast, okay? On the Epstein stuff. I also knew that there was going to be this disconnect between the revelations and what was being said because to me, there would be no way that if they had hard evidence of people doing the crimes, the sex crimes that were believed to be occurring, not Epstein specifically, we know he did sex crimes. I'm talking about other people, right? The so called client list that I don't believe they had the hard evidence of that and suppressed it. Now, this is where things get nuanced and this is where I need people to follow me here. That doesn't mean that I don't believe it happened. I do believe it happened. Here are things that have to be kept in one's head at the same time. And I do not believe any of this requires a cognitive dissonance or is self refuting or anything like that, that there's any contradiction in this thinking. Say we work through this piece by piece. Were people in MAGA led to believe that there'd be much bigger revelations and there would be accountability with regard to Epstein than what we have been shown here and what has happened? Absolutely, yes. And is that, is that a mistake? Is that a blunder? Yes. Yes. Was the way this was handled by Pam Bondi with that memo on a Sunday night and then the somewhat dismissive attitude about it the next day or the day after that in the cabinet meeting, was that adding fuel to the fire? Yes. Was it a blunder not to address the 60 seconds of video in the suicide video stuff with Epstein ahead of time instead of waiting for people to notice that there were 60 seconds missing? Yes. Okay. So all those things I view as absolutely true is this whole thing, this whole Epstein saga of, of the demonic, is this whole thing deeply depressing from the perspective of one just humanity and what was done to these young Girls and everything. Yes. Also the failures of the Justice Department early on and the justice system early on, to hold this man accountable and to. And to get some measure of justice, and very importantly, to stop him from doing more of this, because it didn't stop him from doing more of this. Is that a massive failure of our justice system? Yes. Okay, now we get to where people disagree with me, or rather, there's a little more friction. I think everyone can agree with me on all of that, and I believe all of that is true. I'm not always right, but I always say what I think is true. And I'm almost always right. I'm just saying, not always right, almost always right. But I always tell you what I think is true. And I try very hard to be really devoted to that principle, whether it's here on this podcast or on the radio show or on TV or any. Anything that I do. Okay, now here's. Did the FBI, or is the FBI suppressing information that it has about individuals who committed sex crimes in the Epstein Ring? I don't believe that. And here's why. I don't believe they're doing that. And here's why. I don't believe that the people who have access to that information, including President Trump himself, would do that. I don't believe that they would do that. Now, you can disagree with me on that, but that means that you would think that Cash Patel and Dan Bongino, Don Dan Bongino and Donald Trump and others are willing to protect child predators because of some other agenda. And I fundamentally reject that. I know these people. I've known them a long time. And, you know, I understand you could say, well, you never really know somebody totally. But I do not believe that. And I don't think a lot of the people that are lobbying these accusations on the Internet right now about Cash and about Dan and about others, whatever, say it to their face. And I don't mean, oh, because they would get their asses kicked. And in the case certainly of Dan, no offense, Cash, that's probably true. But I think it's because this has now become an outlet for the outrage of people about the whole thing, to direct those individuals. And I don't think that that's fair. I don't think. I think. Now you can point to some of their earlier statements, both Cash and Dan and AG Bondi, I think, has made a lot of errors in this regard. They weren't on the inside. They were just like me and you. They were going on the news stories and they thought As I thought, I truly thought and still think that there is a broader conspiracy with Epstein. Now they're looking at the evidence. They're saying, look, we don't have evidence to prove the following. Ok, so the blame going on them I don't agree with and I think that that's unhelpful at this point in time. I also think that there should be a willingness administration to give further clarification about some areas where there's remaining to be. There remains open questions like how did Epstein get all of his money? And we need to have that memo they put out was way too skimpy, not nearly enough. And the people, and particularly maga, who supported Trump once again and delivered this huge victory and were promised transparency on this, should have more information. Where did this guy's money really come from? And have they tracked down every financial lead they have on this and give us that information? Because if it exists, it has not been made accessible enough. It has not been made clear enough. Because again, I think this goes to do I think there were other men in Epstein's orbit who committed serious sex crimes? Yes, I do. Do I think the FBI has evidence of that in their possession now? No, I don't. Do I think that that evidence was destroyed, you know, tapes eliminated, erased earlier before this administration came in? Yes, I do. Now I'm going on belief here based on my analysis. I don't know. Okay, I'm just like you. I read the news, I read what's going on. Well, I talk to some of these people personally so I have some insight into what they're dealing with, what's going on and I've known some of them for a long time. But in terms of the facts of this Epstein case, I have never been privy to any non public information. But I'm telling you what I believe and where we are now and I'm hoping that this will help all of us, you know, take a beat, continue to ask some questions about this. Cuz I think there need to be questions asked. But also let's not get the torches and the pitchforks out for the administration on this one. All right, so there's that. Now the, so that's on the blame portion. There's the what we agree on portion, there's the blame portion. Now we get to. And also people are saying, oh they're flipped or you know, people are telling me like Israel got to you or something. Come on. Honestly, people who say stuff like that just need to me grow up. Israel got to me. What does that even Mean, or maybe Russia got to me, right? That's what the Democrats used to do with Trump all the time. This is nonsense. No one got to me. I'm telling you what I believe, all right now. And no one got to. A lot of the other people out there who are trying to tell you what they think is that have there been some screw ups in this. Yes, there have been screw ups. So people's frustration is understandable and warranted. I'm not dismissive of this and it was not helpful that the administration put out that memo and then was dismissive. Ok? That was a bait and switch. It was. There was whiplash. That's not good. They screwed up. Sometimes even, you know, the people that you think are doing the best job or the right people for the job, they screw up. They screwed up on this, all right? And you know, you hold them to that account, fine. But you know, Cash and Dan are covering for an evil global pedo ring. No, that is not. That is not how. Those guys are not doing that. All right? Those guys are not doing that. In my opinion, based on everything that I know. And if I'm wrong on this one, you know, I mean, I'm not going to be wrong on that. But you know, if there's some part of this that I'm missing, I'll address that later. Okay? And now we get to the part where I think also some of you who are mad at me right now, also some of you are mad that I'm even talking about this. But I gotta tell you, there's a lot of passion in MAGA about this right now. Overwhelming comments, emails, everything on this issue. I'm trying to talk about illegal immigration enforcement. I'm trying to talk about the economy. I'm trying to talk about. I want to talk about Maha, make America healthy again and the move. No, no, no, no, no. A lot of people say, sorry, we're not just moving past this, this Epstein thing, so you better dig in and explain to the best of your ability what's going on. So I'm trying to. I'm responsive. I work for you. I work for those who listen. I work for those who spend their time with me. You are my bosses. So I'm trying to cover this as best I can. And then I get into the areas of this where, where I think you'll. A lot of you who are frustrated with me right now will agree with me, which is, I think that there are people who are getting away with very serious sex crimes as a result of this investigation ending with no prosecutions beyond Epstein. I do. I believe that I will never name people because I don't know, and I don't have evidence. And that's. That's. That would be wrong, because I don't know. But I do know. But here's why I think that there's more stuff going on. Epstein was procuring illegally for different individuals, Women trafficking them, taking them across state lines or even international lines who are under 18 for illicit purpose. And we know of one person on the record by a victim who alleged that this had happened, and she had also alleged that there were other men, too. So I do not believe that everybody who's guilty here has been found at all. I don't believe that. So don't tell me. Oh, but Buck, you're saying that. No, I don't believe that everyone who committed crimes here has been held to account at all. And that's very frustrating, and I can respect that frustration. I do believe that there was a blackmail operation underway. I have not changed. I've seen. I have seen nothing to change my mind on that. The DOJ saying they don't have evidence of that is them just saying what they have in their possession. But I am an analyst. I'm a person who thinks through what is out there and tells you what my opinion is. I remember now they're saying that the only stuff that Epstein had that was on the sort of. The videos or, you know, the. The footage is child pornography he downloaded off the Internet. That's what they are saying. Meaning that there is no video of him or other people engaged in illegal sex acts themselves. Right. The possession of that underage pornography is. That's a very serious federal crime, and it's heinous and would send him to prison alone for 25 to life.
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But they're saying they don't have. Okay, well, then I asked this question. What was all the surveillance about? So. So all he had, because it wasn't like, external cameras on his house for security purpose. He had every room with videos and microphone mic'd up in rooms that had beds and, you know, massage tables. And he's clearly. So he wasn't keeping the videos of himself doing this stuff, nor was he keeping videos of anybody else doing this stuff. I don't believe it. I don't believe it. Do I think that that footage, that video has long since been erased and cleansed from the record? Yes. Yes, I do. Okay, so that's where there's a. I think there are more people who committed crimes who have not been held to account at all. And who, unfortunately, I think are going to get away with it. Just being honest with you, based on what we're seeing, if the evidence isn't there, the evidence isn't there. And then I also think that Epstein was trying to blackmail people. I also believe that still. And then we get to. Was there a foreign intelligence service involved in some capacity? That one I think is still likely, or maybe I would say possible. I think that is still possible. I am not as high in my confidence on that assessment as I am on the. There were other individuals involved and there was blackmail. Ok. So I wanted to get this all out there. I'm hoping that I'm not going to talk about this again because I think I've made this now as clear as I can what I see on this. But you know, just by way of review, there have been some screw ups in the way this was presented to the public as an information operation. This was messy from the administration side and they should have done better with this. I do not believe that the individuals who are getting a lot of heat right now are personally compromised and are lying to you. I do not believe that. I do believe that there are people who committed additional crimes who are getting away with it as part of the Epstein ring. I do believe that. And I do believe there's a blackmail operation that is running. And I think that there's still the possibility that there was a foreign intelligence involvement. That is how I see this. And I'm hoping that there could be, that there will be some breakthroughs perhaps in the future on this, more information. But when you're talking about criminal charges, especially of this nature, you've really got to be sure. You need evidence. You need evidence because even just bringing the charge destroys somebody's life. And I know you're saying, well, if somebody did some of the stuff that Epstein did, they deserve whatever. Yeah, but you got to be sure there are people who were in Epstein's orbit, who spent some time with him. I mean, there were a lot of people who were in Epstein's orbit, right? I mean, a lot of people took lunches with him and who didn't do anything criminal at all. And so it is important I know people right now. We all want justice and we want justice for the victims. But you don't want to create more victims in the sense of people whose lives are destroyed, who didn't do anything wrong, who didn't victimize any young girls, but are somehow, you know, people are just being reckless and making you know, allegations against them. And I know that that can, that's a, that's a delicate situation, but that's important here, too. So that's where I am with this. Hopefully the comment and I know the comments. Oh, you know, the Russians, Israel, you know, the Chinese, they got to you guys. No one got to me. I'm telling you what I think here, and I think I've been pretty consistent on this and I hope that I've explained my thinking on it and if there's something you want to add in or, you know, by all means. But if you've listened to this all the way, you know that there's. I understand the frustration. I don't think people should be as frustrated at certain people as they are. And I do think there are still open questions. And that is how I'm analyzing this. Our sponsor here is Preborn. This is a really worthy cause. Preborn, saving the lives of tiny babies every day. And they do this by bringing mothers to be into their clinics, welcoming them with open arms and saying, hey, look, I know you're considering what to do. Have this baby or sadly have an abortion. Let's give you an ultrasound. Let's let you meet the tiny baby in your womb. Preborn finds that once they get this process going and once they offer their love and support to that mom to be after she meets the tiny baby growing in her womb via ultrasound, the choice is life overwhelmingly. So help them with this. They've saved 300,000 babies. It's a fantastic organization. $28 will provide for an ultrasound. 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