Buck Brief - Is America's Immigration Policy Anti-White?

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
Episode: Buck Brief - Is America's Immigration Policy Anti-White?
Release Date: May 14, 2025

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Introduction

In this episode of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, host Buck Sexton delves into a pressing and controversial topic: the perceived anti-white bias in America's immigration policies. Joined by guest Jeremy Carl, author of The Unprotected Class: How Anti-White Racism is Tearing America Apart, the discussion navigates through media portrayal, institutional biases, and governmental actions affecting immigration and racial justice in the United States.

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Media Bias in Immigration Reporting

Timestamp [01:20] – [04:59]

Buck Sexton opens the conversation by highlighting the skewed media narrative surrounding South African refugees. He points out that while the media often portrays these refugees as legitimate individuals fleeing political persecution, there is a disproportionate focus on questioning the legitimacy of white South African refugees.

• Buck Sexton states, “They’re really parsing very closely just exactly every single detail of these folks” ([02:08]).

Jeremy Carl agrees, noting, “If there were just black South Africans who showed up... they deserve their day in court... but because it's white South Africans... they have all these questions” ([04:14]).

This selective scrutiny, according to Buck, reveals an underlying bias within media outlets and institutions like the Episcopal Church, which recently withdrew from refugee resettlement programs citing unsubstantiated claims about the refugees' legitimacy ([03:45]).

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Institutional Withdrawal and Anti-White Racism

Timestamp [05:46] – [07:36]

The discussion shifts to institutional responses, particularly the Episcopal Church's decision to cease involvement in refugee resettlement. Buck critiques this move as indicative of "far woke" denominations exhibiting anti-white sentiments.

• Buck Sexton observes, “These are far woke churches denominationally... the anti white racism” ([05:46]).

Jeremy underscores the irony of such institutions abandoning longstanding humanitarian efforts, especially when the refugees in question—mainly Afrikaners facing threats like farm murders and land expropriation—clearly meet the criteria for genuine asylum seekers ([06:14]).

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Government Policies and Racial Justice

Timestamp [08:56] – [13:47]

The conversation transitions to the Trump administration's efforts in addressing racial justice. Buck commends the administration for dismantling affirmative action at the federal level and issuing executive orders to eliminate Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) initiatives.

• Buck Sexton praises, “Getting rid of affirmative action... rooting out DEI and other racist policies from throughout the federal government” ([08:56]).

Jeremy adds that these moves are part of a broader strategy to eliminate what they term the "racial caste system," which has historically benefited certain groups based on race ([16:32]).

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Supreme Court Rulings and University Policies

Timestamp [11:25] – [20:41]

Buck and Jeremy discuss the Supreme Court's decision against affirmative action in elite universities, arguing that institutions are ignoring the ruling by making superficial changes rather than addressing underlying discriminatory practices.

• Buck Sexton remarks, “Universities are just ignoring the Supreme Court and they're going to dare this Trump administration to do anything about it” ([11:25]).

They further explore the concept of "disparate impact," where race-neutral laws inadvertently disadvantage specific racial groups. Buck explains how policies like credit scoring perpetuate racial wealth disparities, emphasizing the need to repeal such measures at the legislative level to prevent systemic discrimination.

• Buck Sexton states, “Disparate impact policy makes everything presumptively illegal” ([20:41]).

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Future Directions and Legislative Actions

Timestamp [18:18] – [21:37]

Looking ahead, Buck outlines the necessary steps the Trump administration should take to solidify racial justice reforms. He emphasizes the importance of codifying executive orders into law, reforming census categorization to avoid unnecessary racial divisions, and continuing to secure the border against discriminatory immigration practices.

• Buck Sexton suggests, “They need to take away a lot of money... change some of their personnel” ([12:50]).

Jeremy highlights the administration's understanding of long-term strategies to dismantle entrenched systems of racial entitlement, which historically hindered Republican outreach to minority communities.

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Conclusion

In closing, Buck and Jeremy reiterate the importance of continuing efforts to eradicate anti-white racism and ensure equitable treatment across all racial groups in America. They advocate for persistent legislative action and strategic policy implementation to achieve lasting racial justice.

• Buck Sexton concludes, “This is going to be trench warfare for a while because this is, this type of racial caste system is the way that the left keeps its power and they're not going to surrender it without a fight” ([16:32]).

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Final Thoughts

This episode provides a critical examination of America's immigration policies through the lens of racial bias. Buck Sexton and Jeremy Carl offer a perspective that challenges mainstream narratives, calling for significant policy reforms and institutional accountability to foster genuine equality and justice.

For more insights on these topics, listeners are encouraged to explore Jeremy Carl’s book, The Unprotected Class, and stay engaged with the ongoing discussions on immigration and racial justice.

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Notable Quotes:

• Buck Sexton ([02:08]): “They’re really parsing very closely just exactly every single detail of these folks.”

• Jeremy Carl ([04:14]): “If there were just black South Africans who showed up... they deserve their day in court... but because it's white South Africans... they have all these questions.”

• Buck Sexton ([05:46]): “These are far woke churches denominationally... the anti white racism.”

• Buck Sexton ([08:56]): “Getting rid of affirmative action... rooting out DEI and other racist policies from throughout the federal government.”

• Buck Sexton ([11:25]): “Universities are just ignoring the Supreme Court and they're going to dare this Trump administration to do anything about it.”

• Buck Sexton ([16:32]): “This is going to be trench warfare for a while because this is, this type of racial caste system is the way that the left keeps its power and they're not going to surrender it without a fight.”

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This summary is based on the transcript provided and aims to encapsulate the core discussions and viewpoints presented by Buck Sexton and Jeremy Carl in the episode.

Transcript

[Buck Sexton]

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[Jeremy Carl]

I thought that the Democrat media loved refugees, even if they're not refugees from.

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All over the world.

[Jeremy Carl]

Turns out they've got some questions now about 50 of them so far, not the 10 million that came in under Biden. Let's talk to our friend Jeremy Carl about this. He's the author of the Unprotected Class, which is a fantastic book. I've got my copy of it here in my library. How Anti White Racism is Tearing America Apart. Jeremy, let's just start with your, your overview of. Hold on a second. Why is it that now the, the media, like ABC News, Associated Press, you know, you name it, when they report on the Trump administration taking in South African refugees, they use a lot of words, like words like, you know, alleged refugees or purportedly or according to the administration. You know, they're, they're really parsing these 50 guys and gals.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, no, absolutely. And it's, it's, it's a real mask off moment, as I put it on my, my ex account, and that they're really sort of revealing their underlying kind of biases. I mean, and there's really no question that given some of the things going on in South Africa, that these people are under legitimate political persecution. They have legitimate fear for their safety. And if there were ever a group of refugees that you might think would do well here, I think it will be these folks, but yet the media is interested in kind of really, really, as you said, parsing very, very closely just exactly every single detail of these folks. Yeah.

[Jeremy Carl]

Why? Let's get to the why.

[Buck Sexton]

Right. Well, I mean, I think it's pretty clearly that they have the wrong skin color for the refugee community and particularly the refugee industrial complex. And we just saw this today in an announcement from the Episcopal Church that they are not going to resettle these refugees. They're not gonna be involved in any way, even though it would just be a couple in their case probably. And so they're withdrawing from the entire refugee resettlement program that they've been part of for decades. And they sort of gave this very farcical explanation about how. Well, this isn't really, you know, they mentioned their involvement in anti apartheid things historically and they said, you know, we, these people are not real refugees. And you know, this is just not what the, the information says. I mean it's just not accurate. So. But it's revealing in terms of the preferences of, of the far left mainline denominations.

[Jeremy Carl]

I have to say I was not surprised at all. I knew the media would, the media would take the reaction that they have or they would react in this way to South Africa white. So you have to specify, right, if they were black South African refugees for whatever reason. And just to be clear, if there were just black people from South Africa who showed up at our southern border and said, I have a fear of violence in my country, there'd be no, they'd be talking about, oh, they deserve their day in court. They deserve, they need to go in front of the immigration system and they need to have this whole. And that would be fine, but because it's white South Africans who are a small percentage of the overall South African population at this point, they have all these questions. The media didn't surprise me at all, Jeremy. But the Episcopal Church thing, maybe it's my dad's Episcopalian. So I hold out some hope that it's not just some left wing social justice institution that happens to have some nice cathedrals. But I guess I'm wrong because I mean this is, this seems nuts. Like the Episcopal Church, as you've pointed out, decoupling from a 40 year long relationship with refugee resettlement in America. Over 50 South African refugees, like what point are they trying to make?

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, it is crazy. And they're just, these are far woke churches denominationally. And I want to be a little bit fair here. I actually, I have a friend who's a congregational church which is probably even to the left of the Episcopal Church. He's a congregational pastor. And when I sort of put something out on X recently, he reached out and said, well, not all of us are woke. So at an individual congregation level, if you're in a mainline congregation, you may not see kind of the far left, what's going on here, the anti white racism. But as I document in the book and have talked about elsewhere, when you go up to the denominational level and a lot of these things that people in individual churches are not paying attention to, you see a lot of the really radical rhetoric on race that gets us into a place like what we saw with the Episcopal Church today.

[Jeremy Carl]

And yet the Trump administration not backing off this one bit and saying that there is plenty of, of cause for taking these individuals in as refugees. I believe there could be a lot more also. Who, who come. I mean, Jeremy, are you pretty familiar with the, the explanations as to why is it that they are under threat and why they. Because I just think people should hear. This is a pretty straightforward case.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, absolutely. So, I mean, I think this is important to say it's not just white South Africans that are being impacted here. It's a very specific large subset of them, the Afrikaners, who are the sort of Dutch, largely Dutch descended South Africans. They've been in South Africa in many cases for 400 years almost. But they, they tend to be heavily in agriculture. So they've been targeted in farm murders at sort of horrific rates. But I think. So that's, that's one piece of it. But the other really key piece of it is a bill has gone through the South African legislature that is targeting their land potentially for expropriation without compensation, which is the same thing that happened in Zimbabwe, which was formerly Rhodesia at one point and under Mugabe, who now everybody agrees was a really bad guy. And what that did is it both wiped out every white farmer in Zimbabwe. The overwhelming majority of whites were forced to flee Zimbabwe. And then also partially as a result of the collapse of their agricultural sector, many, many millions of black Zimbabweans were put in starvation conditions. So it was really a disaster for everybody. And I think the Trump administration is kind of firing a shot across the bow saying we don't want to see anything like a repeat of that type of situation in South Africa.

[Jeremy Carl]

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[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, absolutely. I mean I think this is really an area where I would have to give the administration an A plus and that I laid out a number of things in the book that I thought we should be doing and we've done so many of them to within reason that we've still got a huge problem and there's still a lot more to go. But in doing things like getting rid of affirmative action at the federal level, in getting rid of so called disparate impact which they just did by an executive order that's absolutely huge, rooting out DEI and other sort of racist policies from throughout the federal government. It's, you know, some of the things that they're doing on immigration obviously to secure the border are tangentially related to this. So it's really been an outstanding effort by the administration. And as you point out, I mean we shouldn't apologize or run away from from. It is a racial justice effort to say that we are going to treat everyone equally in the United States, regardless of race, which is not how we've been doing it for quite some time.

[Jeremy Carl]

How much of the, the work is really being done to get away from. Let me, let me rephrase this. The Supreme Court looked at the affirmative, looked at the affirmative action reality in elite universities and finally came down and just said, look, you can't do this right like this. This is clearly, you know, the era of and Just by way of letting the audience know where I come from on this. People ask me when I, when I knew I was a conservative. And I mean, I've always kind of just leaned, I guess, with a, I don't know, like a traditional American view of things since I, for as long as I can remember anything. But I do remember being in high school at a scholarship high school where everybody for the most part was from pretty families of limited financial means. And the black and Hispanic kids in my class, even if they were at the bottom of the class, were picking like which Ivy League or equivalent school they went to and the Asian kids and the kids with first generation Hungarian immigrant parents or whatever they were being told like, oh, you know, you got a 1500 of the SAT, but like, let's hope that, you know, SUNY whatever is going to give you enough money. I mean, it was really a stark difference. And I just remember as a kid being like, well, this just, that's just not right. You know, it's not, it's not even a question of fair. It's just, this is not right. People can try to tell me it's right, but they're lying to me. Finally, with the Supreme Court, you know, did what is right on this, but has it actually changed the way that these universities, the acceptance rates of different groups and all that, or is it just a Supreme Court decision that's being largely ignored?

[Buck Sexton]

Well, I'm glad you mentioned that because not only can you read the book and I get into a little bit of this, but this was the Supreme Court had decided, but the results of that did not come in. If you look on YouTube, I gave a long talk at Hillsdale a few months ago where I really get into the details of what happened and it is actually just what you were suggesting. So the Supreme Court basically ruled you can't discriminate. And effectively what the universities have done is they've just thumbed their nose at the Supreme Court and said, I mean, this is very ironic because the left claims to be very concerned about who's obeying court orders right now. They said, yeah, we're going to discriminate anyway. I mean, they're not saying they are, but if you look at the numbers, you've had roughly a 10% drop on average. But it's been all over the map from increases to somewhat larger drops in African American and Hispanic student populations in these areas. Whereas on a merit basis, if it were being done on a racially blind basis, you would have expected 50 to 75% drops. And concomitant increases in Asian American and white applicants getting into these schools. So it's really clear that these universities are just ignoring the Supreme Court and they're going to dare this Trump administration to really do anything about it. And I think this will be a big next frontier for the administration to pursue that aggressively.

[Jeremy Carl]

What should they do? How should they pursue this?

[Buck Sexton]

Well, I'm not an attorney, so I want to be a little bit cautious. But I will just say Harmeet Dhillon, who is the assistant attorney general for civil rights, she is really great. She gets it. She is tough, she is focused. And, you know, I expect that there'll be people with obviously cause for private action about the fact that they're not getting in, whereas lesser qualified candidates are. But I think that some of the things you're seeing right now with the Trump administration, albeit on slightly different grounds, is threatening to or withholding funds from these universities. That's really the only way that you're going to get changing is that you're going to have to take away a lot of money and a lot of these. All these universities get a lot of federal funding, whether they're public or private. And then ultimately you need to change some of their personnel, because personnel is policy. So some of the people who are really the ringleaders in bad behavior here are going to have to come out, they're going to have to leave these universities or you're not going to get real change.

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[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, well, I think there are certain things that they could be doing. I mean, everything from how we deal with things in the census in terms of how we count folks, we sort of did it in the last census in a way to maximally balkanize people into every single different group that we could get them in and use that as a basis for giving groups and subgroups kind of advantages. I would love to go see that go away with. I mean, a lot of people don't even realize Hispanic didn't even exist as a census category until 1980. Right. So these are not, these were not categories that were handed down with the Ten Commandments. These are more recent things. So I think there's things we can do in terms of categorization. I think there's more we can do in terms of deportation and the border. But I think a lot of it now is just going to come down to execution. I mean, the folks in the administration, again, a number of the decision makers there, without taking too much credit for anything, certainly, I mean, they've read my book, they've read other books that are talking about things that we need to do. It's just going to be about execution and following through. And again, I think we have with folks like Stephen Miller and folks like Harmeet Dillon, we've got the right staff in there to make these moves. And it's just going to be. But it's going to be trench warfare for a while because this is, this type of racial caste system is the way that the left keeps its power and they're not going to surrender it without a fight.

[Jeremy Carl]

I do think it's finally, this administration is finally one that is willing to look at what the left has and what it does to keep power even when they lose elections, which has been one of the great challenges for conservatives for a long time. And the racial entitlement state is a huge part of that. And it's one of the reasons why people always say, well, how come Republicans have such a hard time making inroads with minorities? Well, because the regime, the, the permanent regime as it has existed for decades now, is such that the Democrats are clearly the party of there is a racial spoil system for certain groups to stay with us based on their skin color and the Republicans are the ones who, yeah, haven't necessarily agreed with it, but have kind of gone along with it too, which, which was to their own detriment.

[Buck Sexton]

No, you're absolutely correct. And if you look at the funding of the NGO industrial complex, which kind of gets to this idea of these permanent groups that you're talking about, that's so much of it right there. And just defunding some of these groups removes some of the incentives for bad behavior that we've seen. And I think it's, again, really encouraging, as you correctly said, this administration does understand the long game in the way that Republican administrations haven't. And just even having that understanding gives us a chance to win in a way that I think we haven't had in decades.

[Jeremy Carl]

So we're making some, some gains here, some wins. What is the thing that, if you could put one thing on the Trump administration's radar that you would like to see them tackle, that they haven't necessarily gotten on that much yet, what would that be?

[Buck Sexton]

Gosh, that's a great question. I mean, I think they really, I don't know there's any one category that, that's jumps to mind immediately. I guess I would say really encapsulating more than kind of doing new things, because I think they understand the things, but it's encapsulating the current things that are maybe in executive orders and making them in law. So, for example, disparate impact, which I've just sort of referred to, but is this thing that nobody really knows about, but is one of the things that enables huge amounts of discrimination in the United States. So that's actually currently, for various stupid reasons, is actually in federal law in the 1991 Civil Rights Act. So you can do certain things with an executive order, but you've really got to address the underlying law. And that means that Congress has got to get busy. And for Congress, which has been moving a lot slower than the administration, they're going to really need to have the whip handout to kind of get Congress going and really make sure that these things are not just things that can be at least partially undone by the next president.

[Jeremy Carl]

I mean, disparate impact for anybody who's, who's not familiar with the concept, it's very important. It's very pernicious and undermines our legal system, I think, in really troubling ways, has for a long time. But it is, you can have a. Not for you, but for people watching, listening, you can have a law that is, on its face, race neutral, but if the results of that law disproportionately affect a certain group. So, you know, well, even something like credit scores be another example of this, right? Well, reliance on credit scores. Oh well, it's disproportionately. Too many people who are black, black or Hispanic are being, you know, it goes against them in credit because their credit report, therefore credit reports must be a problem. Like that's just disparate impact in a. But as I like to point out to people, Jeremy, you could just do this with any law about, about assault or about violence, about murder with men and women. I mean, you could say there's a hugely disparate impact from murder laws on the male population. Somehow we're just getting hit with all the murder charges, like 5% of murders are committed by women and we got these murder laws. So I think we gotta look at these murder laws more closely, you know.

[Buck Sexton]

Absolutely. And you hit right on it. And it's not just laws, it's corporate policies. But you have seen with some of this disparate impact stuff I talk about in the book, credit scores, even things that looked like they were racially neutral that the Biden administration pursued on its face, were effectively racial wealth transfers. And the Biden administration knew exactly what it was doing when it put these sorts of policies in, as did the Obama administration. But an independent member of the US Commission on Civil Rights wrote a law paper that I cite that was entitled, I believe Disparate Impact policy makes everything presumptively Illegal. And that's basically correct. I mean, effectively, you're always having this sword of Damocles hanging over your head ready to fall down and cut it off at any time because of disparate impact policy. And that's the real importance of getting rid of it at the legislative level. So I think that's kind of going to be the next frontier.

[Jeremy Carl]

It's a great book. If you haven't already gotten your copy, go get the unprotected class. How anti White racism is tearing America apart Very much. Something to keep in mind during a lot of the Trump battles ahead here. Jeremy. Carl, great to have you on, sir. Good to see you.

[Buck Sexton]

Thanks, Buck. It's a pleasure to be on.

[Jeremy Carl]

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Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency. It became known as the Iran Contra Affair.

[Unknown Commentator]

The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you.

[Jeremy Carl]

Please do.

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To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Buck Sexton]

You're listening to an iHeart podcast.