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Buck Brief - Should America Have 100 Times More Capital Punishment?
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Welcome to the Buck Brief. Jeremy Carl with us now. He is fearless, he is brilliant and he has been through the ringer recently. So we're going to talk to him about some news of the day, some of these big crime stories and the stat that has gotten a lot of attention. For example, 356 people in New York City who were involved in shootings in 2020. Five were Black, two of them were white. That's a pretty big disparity for a city of 8.5 million people. I think we should talk about criminal justice policy a bit. But before we get there, our friend Jeremy Carl, author of the Unprotected Class. Sir, you just, you just got put through it a bit. Why don't you tell everybody you were up for a job for the State Department? And the long knives came out from some senators. What happened?
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Yeah, no thanks. I was, I was up for. The president nominated me for an Assistant Secretary of State position and that's required Senate confirmation. And went up before the Senate and the Democrats, having read all of my writings and all of my tweets and listened to every single podcast I've been on, and I don't mean that with any exaggeration, had a list of all the horrible things that I had said, which they yelled at me about, and they convinced at least one squishy Republican to perhaps be nervous about me as well. So I wasn't going to get confirmed, unfortunately, so I had to withdraw. But it was a really interesting experience to go through.
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Who, who was the Republican squish?
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John Curtis, former chair of the Utah County Democratic Party. Been making some news for other areas in which he has perhaps not been such a stalwart ally of our party recently. But I'm going to try to take the high road. I don't want to dwell on, you know, any one person in particular, but we've just, you know, we've got some challenges the party we've got to address.
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I'm gonna tell you something because I, I can do whatever. I know I get to be a bomb thrower, my friend. I could do whatever, right. So I'm a talk radio. In fact, if anything, I'm probably too nice. Utah. Utah produces some of the worst Republicans of any state in the country. It's. It's not just the. This senator being squishy. I don't know what it is. I love the people of Utah. I go to Salt Lake City, or I particularly get outside of Salt Lake City a little bit, but even in Salt Lake. And I have all these Utahans who listen to the show who I love. I'm totally aligned. I did a big event in Utah about 18 months ago, like 800 people there. They're awesome. And at that event, by the way, I was like, what is it with you guys having a squishy governor? Now they've got this squishy senator. I'm like, it's Utah. This is like, how do, how do we get these weak Republicans in super red states?
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Yeah, it's, it's fascinating. And the only way that we got Mike Lee, who is actually very good overall, in my opinion, is that there was some stuff that activists did at the party convention to kind of stop the very squishy senator who he replaced. But if it had just been up to kind of the median Utah voter, we might have had a little bit of a difficult time. So it's a challenge. You know, it's supposed to be a conservative state, but the politicians there are often not very conservative.
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Can I ask you. I mean, I'm going to. So I guess. Can I ask you as a worthless preamble, but. But yeah, I'm about to. What was the thing they thought you said that was the worst thing?
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Oh, gosh. I mean, they literally had poster boards of my greatest hits that they put up. I'm not kidding. And I love your stuff.
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So I'm wondering what I'm going to get canceled for. I'm like, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a Jeremy Carl fan. What am I going to get in trouble for? Go ahead.
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Well, you know, it's sort of funny and I think, you know, my nominations team, which is so buttoned up, was kind of appalled because afterwards I wanted to see whether I could get the poster boards to, you know, take cake as souvenirs for my wall because I was like, yeah, these are some pretty juicy ones. But you know, look, I mean I would totally stand behind and a couple of them were like, you know, because you're talking all the time, not everything you say is the perfect thing that you'd love blown up in 92 point type sitting in front of the Senate. But yeah, you know, just things related to race, things related to. They hit me on feminism, other stuff. So there was just a, there was a parade of horribles. I was the proverbial basket of deplorables all wrapped up in one one person. And that's just how it was.
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I think we're at this phase where we just have to keep pushing and keep fighting and stay on offense as much as possible. For example, you know, I'm here in the great state of Florida, which I will say, I think, you know, Montana, okay, I know a little bit about Montana politics. Not, not that much, but enough to know you're one of these states. Correct me if I'm, if I'm off here has, it's, it's red, but it has this huge swath of independence. So it's a little bit funkier and actually a little more Democrat leaning in some ways than a lot of people would think. It's not a, it's not like a bright red state. It's got this whole independent streak. Like, like everyone's an extra on a Taylor Sheridan show.
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Yeah, that might be a good way of putting it. I think if you look at the people who are moving here, there's no question we have the numbers, that it's clearly trending to a more deep red. But I think a lot of our politicians, unfortunately in Montana still have not gotten the memo and a lot of them are still probably a little bit more aligned with the Democrats than they really should be given our voter base. So I mean, if you look Since 1948, Montana has supported the Democrat. I think, you know, maybe once Bill Clinton won a three way split with Perot where he took like 36%, but he took the state. So it's, it is a pretty Republican state, but there's a lot of, a lot of Republicans who are independent in perhaps not the best ways to be independent.
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Yeah. All right, let's. So one thing I want to mention for when, before we get into the crime talk, because I want to get you into some trouble because you know, how bad could it be compared to the Senate stuff we're talking about?
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Walk in the park.
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It'd be a cakewalk compared to that. The, the rule that, I forget what it's called. If Clay was here, he would be shouting it. Cause he knows sports stuff. But there's a rule that you have to, I, you have to interview in the NFL. Minor, like I think, I don't know how many. At least one, I guess. But you have to interview a minority coach before you hire a coach. And I believe the Florida attorney General is challenging that in the state of Florida. And I sit here and I go, yeah. Cause that rule is flatly unconstitutional. Everybody, this is, we need a whole reset of the thinking of institutions, including the NFL, if they're in America. The Constitution applies. You can't have these racial quotas, racial set asides, racial laws anymore. It's illegal.
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Yeah, no, absolutely. And my friend Harmony Dhillon, who's running up DOJ's civil rights division, has kind of just been doing that. Right. The illegal stuff has been going on for so long in plain sight that people weren't even challenging it. And now people like the Florida ag. I did see this story today that you just mentioned are coming up and saying, hey, wait, actually, this type of racial profiling, politicking, whatever you want to call it, is in fact against the law. And it's one of the reasons why I've actually been a little bit hesitant, as has Harmeet, about people saying, oh, well, we just need to get rid of all civil rights laws. I mean, we do need to do some very fundamental reforms of certain civil rights laws. But there's also times where we just need to enforce the laws on the books to say, yeah, that actually means you can't discriminate against white people as well. And that's what we've kind of got here.
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This is one of my big things on immigration is people keep saying, I said before, you're allowed to say Congress needs to pass a law to address. I insist that everybody look at what the laws actually are. Because things like repeat entry after a deportation, it's a felony. Yeah. Punishable up to 10 years in federal prison. Like, if you get deported and you come back, that's already a felony. But they never enforce it. They will not do this. You know, this is the same thing with civil rights laws that are in the books. A sponsor here, before we get into criminal justice, you're going to want to hear Jeremy's take on that sponsor here. Birch Gold Group. If you look two decades ago and purchase $20,000 of gold then, which seems like a lot, but guess what? $20,000 of gold then will be worth $150,000 today. Last year, gold's value shot up more than 65%. Birch Gold Group believes gold is going to keep going up. And so many analysts out there agree with them because when there's instability, money printing, so many reasons why gold is a store of value. But also gold goes up in value because other things deplete their values, like the US dollar. Birch Gold can help you convert an existing IRA or 401k into an IRA in gold. They can also just send gold to your home. That's what I do. Text my name. Buck to 98. 98. 98. Receive your free info kit on Gold. Text my Name B U C K to 98. 98. 98. Jeremy, we're at this point now. I could pick any number of stories. The guy in Seattle who murdered a woman, they say he's crazy. And now he gets sent to a psychiatric facility where he could theoretically be released at any time. Right. They decide that this guy's fine, they can let him out. And people say, oh, that won't happen. Really? Really. We'll see about that. The story of the illegal that killed the college student. What? In Chicago. I mean, there's all these stories across the country. And one thing keeps coming up. So many of these Democrats will not change any of the policies. And it's really more about policy than law. Because what it is is they refuse to actually use laws on the books as tools of enforcing the law.
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Yeah, absolutely. It's nuts. And I mean, I want to say this, and it's going to sound a little extreme, maybe to some people, maybe not in this conversation, but I mean it actually very soberly. I think we need to be executing about 100 times more people than we are. We had 51 executions in the United States last year. It shouldn't be a thousand. 51,000 would be way too many, but 510 wouldn't be enough. There are about 5,000 guys who are either murderers or repeat serious Violent offenders who, if we're serious about crime prevention, we need to just use the capital punishment tools that are on the books. Stop having these ridiculous things where people are on death row for 30 years for crimes that everybody knew that they committed. And we need to get serious about capital punishment, about enforcing the law. So we have long prison sentences for violent felons, whatever have you. And you know, we're just not there yet. And of course the Democrats are always throwing a wrench into the works.
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I just, I feel like the way the Democrat mentality on this stuff. Here's an example. This, you might have seen this. I grew up on the Upper east side of Manhattan. That was my neighborhood. And so really I should be the one wearing a blue blazer and a button down shirt. But that's okay. You're looking much more dapper than me today. But I grew up on the Upper east side and there was this incident in the subway system where an 84 year old veteran was shoved onto the tracks by some lunatic with a long criminal history. He's an illegal alien arrested many times for serious crimes, including violent crimes. And this individual gets shoved on the tracks, 84 year old veteran, two dies. And you know, now we're told, oh, what a tragedy. But it was an entirely. It wasn't just a preventable tragedy. The state, and I mean that as in New York State or the city of New York under New York State jurisdiction should have prevented this. Like this man is dead because of idiot Democrats in the prosecutor's offices, in the legislative assembly. It's just, to me, it couldn't be any more clear they're OK with this. This is the cost of doing business.
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It's nuts. I mean the state and the city in this case is really an accessory to murder as far as I'm concerned. I mean you can't charge them, unfortunately, you can't charge the people involved. But, but it's outrageous, right? And the fact that this person's here is outrageous. And the fact that we are not going to have, I mean there's no question this guy did it, right? Presumably. I don't know, I mean, maybe, maybe there's not video evidence, but it sounds like there is.
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No, there are, there are tons of eyewitnesses. He's not even denying it. The guy, I mean, you know, the guy did it, everyone saw.
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You should have a couple months of due process for whatever looks like. And then a humane, in my view, because I'm not like a bloodthirsty guy, but a humane, appropriate capital Punishment for this crime and you're done. But we don't have that. And even if you don't, you're not maybe as enthusiastic about upping the capital to punishment numbers as me. A humane, like, lifetime sentence. And we're done. And we're not sitting there talking about it. And we're not doing this for every three years, whether he might be paroled or not.
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I just. The other part of this that I find so enraging is that they, they know that these people are a risk and they let them out anyway. You know, they let them out and they'll, they'll help them because this was an illegal alien, by the way, who had already been deported. Already been deported in the case of this New York City murder is what this guy did. And so they make the decision, hey, we have this dangerous felon in custody. ICE wants him. We, though, will refuse to even notify ICE and respect their detainer requests. So. So he can then be lawfully, lawfully taken and removed from this country. To me, I mean, you use the word, use the word an accomplice to murder. I think that's absolutely correct. And, you know, one analogy that I did on radio, Jeremy, which. Feel free to ever borrow this or use this if you like, but it really resonated with people. I said, here, I'm a dog owner. Okay. Are you a dog guy?
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I like dogs. Well enough. Yeah.
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Okay, fair enough. That's okay. We're still friends. So I'm a dog owner. I like dogs. And if I, you know, there's a, there's a, a dog run right in my neighborhood here. If I saw, if I saw someone's dog was like a. Was like a pit bull that was running free without a leash and it attacked and killed a little poodle in that dog run. And I, and I pulled it off and, you know, I'm like, ok, I've got this thing, I've got it off and now I'm in control of it. And then I walked it over and I said, you know, I don't want anyone to think poorly of pit bulls, so I'm going to let it loose in this other park and see what happens. Everybody would think that I was a monster and it was my fault. Yeah, cops are doing that in American cities with human beings who are violent criminals because they're illegal aliens. Every day, every day, all across the country, this is happening.
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It's nuts. And I think the first person, the first mayor or whoever it is who really cracks down on crime in a fundamental way and just changes the entire paradigm about how we're thinking about it. You look at what Bukele did in El Salvador where he dropped crime like 95 plus percent by just shockingly putting all the bad guys in prison. Right? That's what it took. And shockingly the Democrats have this theory that somehow there's this fixed amount of crime and that if you, you put certain bad guys in prison, there's going to be more people who are going to come in and do the crimes. But in fact that's not how things work. We could choose, we could choose to have public order in this country and we simply don't because liberals don't want us to. And conservatives have just not led aggressively enough on this issue even though it'd be a huge political winner.
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That'd be great. I'd love, I think the more pressure, the better. Would really help out a lot of these guys.
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You let us know, man, because you're one of the good ones. Thanks for being here, buddy. Good to talk to you.
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Thanks so much, Buck. It's a real pleasure to speak.
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