The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Buck Brief - Should the Pro-Hamas Loon Get Sent Home?
Release Date: March 12, 2025
Host: Buck Sexton
Guest: Oren McIntyre
Publisher: Premiere Networks

Introduction

In this episode of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, Buck Sexton hosts Oren McIntyre to discuss the contentious issue surrounding Mahmoud Khalil, a participant in anti-Jewish and anti-Israel protests at Columbia University, who is facing potential deportation. The conversation delves into the broader implications of deporting immigrants based on their political actions and sentiments towards the United States.

Mahmoud Khalil Deportation Debate

[02:40] Buck Sexton:
Buck introduces the topic by mentioning Mahmoud Khalil's involvement in protests and the possibility of his deportation. He raises critical questions about the specifics of the case and the criteria used to determine deportation.

[03:06] Oren McIntyre:
Oren expresses that the situation has been "made far more complicated than it needs to be." He emphasizes his support for deporting foreigners who exhibit anti-American sentiments, stating, "If you're a guest in my country, you should love my country. If you are here, then I want you here because you want to be here and you appreciate what we provide. If not, you can go home" ([03:27]).

[04:39] Buck Sexton:
Buck concurs with Oren's viewpoint, adding, "I think he probably crossed the line. He probably even committed some crimes, allegedly... But one, I want to know what it is. It can't just be, ew, he's gross" ([04:55]). He stresses the need for a clear process to determine deportation eligibility and questions the consistency of applying such measures.

Consistency in Deportation Policies

[05:49] Oren McIntyre:
Oren reiterates his stance on deporting those who "hate my country and doesn't have to be here," emphasizing the importance of a uniform policy: "You need to have a general policy if you hate the United States... Otherwise, it looks like favoritism" ([06:10]).

[07:42] Oren McIntyre:
He expands on the inconsistency observed in current policies, noting that while violent criminals like cartel members are not being deported, selective targeting based on specific groups undermines the integrity of deportation policies: "When you pick one particular issue, it looks like favoritism" ([07:55]).

[08:27] Buck Sexton:
Buck highlights the lack of clarity and standards in the deportation process, questioning, "Who makes that determination?" and pointing out the broader implications for various anti-American groups: "There's so much work to do on this issue that it's kind of staggering" ([08:45]).

Trump vs. Congressman Massie and Continuing Resolution

[09:41] Oren McIntyre:
The discussion shifts to the conflict between former President Trump and Congressman Thomas Massie regarding a continuing resolution (CR). Oren describes Massie as principled, stating, "He seems like a decent guy. He seems like a genuine man of honor and principle" ([10:10]). However, he criticizes Trump's approach in pressuring Massie to primary him, suggesting it undermines effective governance.

[11:00] Buck Sexton:
Buck questions the substance behind the CR debate, urging for transparency: "If you shouldn't have a shutdown situation. Because right now it seems to me right, Republicans are like, we shouldn't shut down and Democrats are saying, well, we'll shut things down" ([11:30]).

[11:41] Oren McIntyre:
Oren praises Trump's dynamic leadership but expresses concern that focusing on budget debates may derail more critical agendas: "I think Trump's agenda of dismantling the deep state... is just way more critical at this moment than getting a concession on spending" ([12:10]).

Democrat Opposition to Trump

[14:19] Oren McIntyre:
Oren analyzes the Democratic strategy, asserting that their reliance on soft power and subsequent shift to hard power has failed: "Soft power, propaganda, manipulation didn't work. The hard power, physical violence, threats of violence... didn't work" ([14:30]). He concludes that Democrats are left "screaming into the void," unable to counter Trump's maneuvers effectively.

[15:43] Buck Sexton:
Buck echoes Oren's sentiments, criticizing the Democratic opposition as lacking leadership and a coherent message, labeling their stance as "reflexive anti-Trumpism" and expressing a lack of sympathy: "But it is a sad display nonetheless" ([15:50]).

Importance of Immigration Policy

[16:06] Oren McIntyre:
Oren emphasizes that immigration should be Trump's primary focus over other international issues like the Ukraine war. He cites a significant reduction in border crossings as a positive outcome but acknowledges the need for more substantial deportations: "We haven't even deported the number of people that Biden let in" ([16:25]). He advocates for policies that pressure immigrants to self-deport, such as employer verification and high taxes on remittances.

Conclusion

Throughout the episode, Buck Sexton and Oren McIntyre engage in a candid discussion about the complexities of immigration policy, the need for consistent and transparent deportation standards, and the current political climate surrounding former President Trump and Democratic opposition. They underscore the importance of prioritizing immigration reform as a key administrative focus and critique the perceived inconsistencies and lack of leadership within opposing political factions.

Notable Quotes:

• Oren McIntyre ([03:27]): "If you're a guest in my country, you should love my country. If you are here, then I want you here because you want to be here and you appreciate what we provide. If not, you can go home."
• Buck Sexton ([04:55]): "I think he probably crossed the line... But one, I want to know what it is. It can't just be, ew, he's gross."
• Oren McIntyre ([07:55]): "When you pick one particular issue, it looks like favoritism."
• Buck Sexton ([11:30]): "If you shouldn't have a shutdown situation… Republicans are like, we shouldn't shut down and Democrats are saying, well, we'll shut things down."
• Oren McIntyre ([14:30]): "Soft power, propaganda, manipulation didn't work. The hard power, physical violence, threats of violence... didn't work."

This summary encapsulates the primary discussions and viewpoints presented in the episode, providing listeners who haven't tuned in with a comprehensive understanding of the topics covered.