Buck Brief - Should the Pro-Hamas Loon Get Sent Home?

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Buck Brief - Should the Pro-Hamas Loon Get Sent Home?
Release Date: March 12, 2025
Host: Buck Sexton
Guest: Oren McIntyre
Publisher: Premiere Networks

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Introduction

In this episode of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, Buck Sexton hosts Oren McIntyre to discuss the contentious issue surrounding Mahmoud Khalil, a participant in anti-Jewish and anti-Israel protests at Columbia University, who is facing potential deportation. The conversation delves into the broader implications of deporting immigrants based on their political actions and sentiments towards the United States.

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Mahmoud Khalil Deportation Debate

[02:40] Buck Sexton:
Buck introduces the topic by mentioning Mahmoud Khalil's involvement in protests and the possibility of his deportation. He raises critical questions about the specifics of the case and the criteria used to determine deportation.

[03:06] Oren McIntyre:
Oren expresses that the situation has been "made far more complicated than it needs to be." He emphasizes his support for deporting foreigners who exhibit anti-American sentiments, stating, "If you're a guest in my country, you should love my country. If you are here, then I want you here because you want to be here and you appreciate what we provide. If not, you can go home" ([03:27]).

[04:39] Buck Sexton:
Buck concurs with Oren's viewpoint, adding, "I think he probably crossed the line. He probably even committed some crimes, allegedly... But one, I want to know what it is. It can't just be, ew, he's gross" ([04:55]). He stresses the need for a clear process to determine deportation eligibility and questions the consistency of applying such measures.

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Consistency in Deportation Policies

[05:49] Oren McIntyre:
Oren reiterates his stance on deporting those who "hate my country and doesn't have to be here," emphasizing the importance of a uniform policy: "You need to have a general policy if you hate the United States... Otherwise, it looks like favoritism" ([06:10]).

[07:42] Oren McIntyre:
He expands on the inconsistency observed in current policies, noting that while violent criminals like cartel members are not being deported, selective targeting based on specific groups undermines the integrity of deportation policies: "When you pick one particular issue, it looks like favoritism" ([07:55]).

[08:27] Buck Sexton:
Buck highlights the lack of clarity and standards in the deportation process, questioning, "Who makes that determination?" and pointing out the broader implications for various anti-American groups: "There's so much work to do on this issue that it's kind of staggering" ([08:45]).

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Trump vs. Congressman Massie and Continuing Resolution

[09:41] Oren McIntyre:
The discussion shifts to the conflict between former President Trump and Congressman Thomas Massie regarding a continuing resolution (CR). Oren describes Massie as principled, stating, "He seems like a decent guy. He seems like a genuine man of honor and principle" ([10:10]). However, he criticizes Trump's approach in pressuring Massie to primary him, suggesting it undermines effective governance.

[11:00] Buck Sexton:
Buck questions the substance behind the CR debate, urging for transparency: "If you shouldn't have a shutdown situation. Because right now it seems to me right, Republicans are like, we shouldn't shut down and Democrats are saying, well, we'll shut things down" ([11:30]).

[11:41] Oren McIntyre:
Oren praises Trump's dynamic leadership but expresses concern that focusing on budget debates may derail more critical agendas: "I think Trump's agenda of dismantling the deep state... is just way more critical at this moment than getting a concession on spending" ([12:10]).

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Democrat Opposition to Trump

[14:19] Oren McIntyre:
Oren analyzes the Democratic strategy, asserting that their reliance on soft power and subsequent shift to hard power has failed: "Soft power, propaganda, manipulation didn't work. The hard power, physical violence, threats of violence... didn't work" ([14:30]). He concludes that Democrats are left "screaming into the void," unable to counter Trump's maneuvers effectively.

[15:43] Buck Sexton:
Buck echoes Oren's sentiments, criticizing the Democratic opposition as lacking leadership and a coherent message, labeling their stance as "reflexive anti-Trumpism" and expressing a lack of sympathy: "But it is a sad display nonetheless" ([15:50]).

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Importance of Immigration Policy

[16:06] Oren McIntyre:
Oren emphasizes that immigration should be Trump's primary focus over other international issues like the Ukraine war. He cites a significant reduction in border crossings as a positive outcome but acknowledges the need for more substantial deportations: "We haven't even deported the number of people that Biden let in" ([16:25]). He advocates for policies that pressure immigrants to self-deport, such as employer verification and high taxes on remittances.

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Conclusion

Throughout the episode, Buck Sexton and Oren McIntyre engage in a candid discussion about the complexities of immigration policy, the need for consistent and transparent deportation standards, and the current political climate surrounding former President Trump and Democratic opposition. They underscore the importance of prioritizing immigration reform as a key administrative focus and critique the perceived inconsistencies and lack of leadership within opposing political factions.

Notable Quotes:

• Oren McIntyre ([03:27]): "If you're a guest in my country, you should love my country. If you are here, then I want you here because you want to be here and you appreciate what we provide. If not, you can go home."
• Buck Sexton ([04:55]): "I think he probably crossed the line... But one, I want to know what it is. It can't just be, ew, he's gross."
• Oren McIntyre ([07:55]): "When you pick one particular issue, it looks like favoritism."
• Buck Sexton ([11:30]): "If you shouldn't have a shutdown situation… Republicans are like, we shouldn't shut down and Democrats are saying, well, we'll shut things down."
• Oren McIntyre ([14:30]): "Soft power, propaganda, manipulation didn't work. The hard power, physical violence, threats of violence... didn't work."

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This summary encapsulates the primary discussions and viewpoints presented in the episode, providing listeners who haven't tuned in with a comprehensive understanding of the topics covered.

Transcript

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Orrin McIntyre back with us of the Orin McIntyre show podcast. You should all check out and subscribe to Mr. Oren, appreciate you making the time. Let's dive right into it with the Mahmoud Khalil situation. This guy who was part of the anti Jewish, anti Israel protests up at Columbia University. Now he might get deported. Some questions about what for specifically, what do you make of all of it?

[Oren McIntyre]

Well, I feel like this situation has been made far more complicated than it needs to be. As somebody who doesn't want foreigners who hate my country here, I'm really fine with them genuinely being deported, especially if they're involved in any kind of anti American agitation, which I think ultimately would include what happened here. However, the problem is that we've seen all kinds of different anti American protests on college camp campuses and across the country. I'm constantly seeing anti deportation protests with people waving foreign flags throughout the United States. If we're going to deport people who are immigrants, who do not have legal status in the United States or are not permanent citizens of the United States for being anti American, I'm actually generally okay with that because if you're a guest in my country, you should love my country. If you are here, then I want you here because you want to be here and you appreciate what we provide. If not, you can go home. However, when we single people out just for anti Semitic or anti Israel remarks or action, that doesn't look great, right? Like ultimately we should be, we should be deporting everyone who hates the United States and doesn't have to be here. People who are here illegally or people who are here under our own graciousness but ultimately hate the United States, they should all go or we shouldn't be deporting them, but we should really not be doing it on a case by case basis depending on what group they happen to have criticized.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, well this is where, by the way, you for anyone listening, we didn't coordinate this beforehand. I didn't ask your opinion on this one. I see this I talked about on radio before, but I see this very similarly to you, which is interesting because there are people on the riot are just like yeah, send him home. And I'm like, ok, I don't like this guy. I don't like what he says or, you know, I don't know him, but I don't like what he says and stands for. Fine. I think he probably crossed the line. He probably even committed some crimes, allegedly by, you know, whether it's trespassing, breaking property, threatening people. You know, menacing, threatening can be a crime in a jurisdiction. But one, I want to know what it is. It can't just be, ew, he's gross. So he leaves now because who makes that determination? Right. We need, I need to know what the process is. And also is this the, is this then going to be the standard to your point going forward? There's a lot of anti American stuff that happens on college campuses and off college campuses, protest movements, etc. And you know, where. Who makes the determination as to whether that's crossed the line? If it's not, if it's not breaking the law that gets you deported, what is it? Is what I need to know in this case.

[Oren McIntyre]

Again, I'm very much for sending home a large amount of immigrants that don't need to be here. So my general flexibility on deportation is pretty high. If you don't like my country and you're here under our good graces, you can go. That's fine with me. Like, I really genuinely don't have a problem with expelling people who don't have to be here, who aren't citizens and who hate the country because they don't have a constitutional right to be here. They're only here because we allowed them to be here. They're not citizens, so they don't have to be here if we don't want them to be. However, again, like you said, targeting someone just because we disagree with that particular opinion, that looks pretty bad. Like you need to have a general policy if you hate the United States, if you are involved, especially in violating the law. Why? Well, engaging in an anti American protest, great, go home. All of them or none of them, but you need to pick one.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, this is what I mean. There needs to be a standard and that's why process is important here. It needs to be, ok, this is what happened. This is why he goes. And if anyone else does the same thing, they go too. It's not just, oh, we really don't like the anti Jewish stuff on Columbia University's campus. So that person goes, I would also, I'm wondering, are there other, there must have been other people who are non citizens who are involved in these protests, are they going to get kicked out, too? So for me, it's more an issue of clarity. I'm with you. I think if you're a guest in America and you step out of line at all, you should be sent back to wherever you came from. But it's also amazing when you think about how it's a revolutionary idea, at least according to Democrats, to kick gang members with felony convictions on their records who are illegals out of the country and back to their country. Right. So, so this is. We have so much work to do on this issue that it's kind of staggering.

[Oren McIntyre]

Yeah, obviously the left is going to look ridiculous in this. They won't, like you said, deport violent members of cartels. They, they get bent out of shape when you suggest that. So obviously they're, you know, moving over to this. They're, they're not going to feel the impetus to do this either. It's just that consistency. I'm sure that there were illegal immigrants who were involved in the BLM riots and the antifa riots. Send them home. Right. Like, like anti American protesters involved in violence. Send them home, but do all or nothing. When you pick one particular issue, it looks like favoritism. And it only feeds into the narrative that ultimately the government is more interested in protecting this one particular type of speech or this one particular group in the United States as opposed to protecting all American citizens.

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[Oren McIntyre]

Well, obviously Massie is a libertarian. He is somebody who wears a debt clock on his jacket. This is something he cares about very deeply. And he doesn't approve of the continued spending. He wants to see cuts. He doesn't want to do continuing resolutions without some kind of significant change in the budget or, you know, getting some kind of victory out of this ultimately for reducing the debt spending. I totally understand that. And here's the thing. I very much respect Thomas Massie. He seems like a decent guy. He seems like a genuine man of honor and principle. That said, does it really matter in this scenario? Is this where the stand needs to be made? That's a question for people to debate. What I don't like is Trump going after Massie and saying he needs to primary him. Obviously, Thomas Massie is one of the best congressmen we have in the United States. It's very clear that again, this is a guy who's standing on a principle. Even though if ultimately you might think that in this case it shouldn't be applied or it should be understood in that context that we need to work with what's going on. I think that because Massie's vote is unnecessary to pass the continuing resolution, turning him into some kind of villain in this scenario ultimately just doesn't serve the purpose you want it to.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Oren McIntyre]

Obviously, Trump has a lot going on. This is a guy who's moving fast and breaking things and we like that about him. He is willing to push back against a lot of the agenda that the Democrats have left there in perpetuity. He's willing to defy a number of the agencies and entrenched interests in Washington and the speed, the rapidity at which he is making these changes is completely throwing the left off this. That's great. All of that's fantastic. I think the concern here is that if we get bogged down in any kind of debate over funding, financial matters, these type of things, it's going to kill that momentum. And I'm actually rather sympathetic, sympathetic to this. I want a smaller federal budget, I want smaller government in general, but that's just not the critical issue at this time. I respect Massie for standing on this principle. I understand the critical nature of what he is discussing. But ultimately I do think Trump's agenda of dismantling the deep state, dismantling much of the Democratic apparatus is just way more critical at this moment than, than getting a concession on spending. That doesn't mean this stuff doesn't matter. But again, the context is very important.

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[Oren McIntyre]

Yeah, I just wrote a piece on this. I Think there's actually a really interesting dynamic going on here. Democrats have been pretty reliant on soft power this whole time. They believe that they could manipulate people through information and propaganda, the educational system, the media, that ended up getting to the edge of its ability. We saw this with COVID how much they stretched the reliability of the institutions they required to do this manipulation. And so they tried to move into, like, this kind of quasi hard power, right? They started rounding up their political opponents. They tried to put Trump in jail, they tried to strip him off the ballot, they tried to shoot him. The FBI was watching, you know, church services, and it was in trying to intimidate parents at, you know, school board meetings. And that just didn't work either. And so they scream fascists. They scream fascists. They tried to put, you know, kind of their hard power tactics into play on the government side, and just none of it worked. Trump won this election with a mandate, both the popular vote and the Electoral College. And I think they're just punched out. They don't know what to do. The soft power, propaganda, manipulation didn't work. The hard power, physical violence, threats of violence, police state, didn't work. When you're at your end of your rope like that, what can even happen? All they have left to do is scream into the void. And I think that's exactly what we're seeing at this point.

[Buck Sexton]

And what do you want to see Trump focus in on between, let's say, now and the start of summer? Like, what do you think is the most important place for the administration to spend? Is it Doge? Is it immigration? Is it ending the Ukraine war? I mean, what do you want to see? Get the wood. First and foremost, I know we want to see all these things, right, but what are you really honed in on?

[Oren McIntyre]

It's got to be immigration. Look, the Ukraine war is a bit of a sideshow at this point. We just saw that the. And, you know, I'm not sure the veracity of these reports yet, because they're just coming in, but the possibility that there's a ceasefire in Ukraine that's already negotiated or possibly negotiated. But ultimately, domestically, what has to happen has to be immigration. It has to be deportations. We've seen a great drop in border crossings, which is a huge bonus. Fewer and fewer people are coming in. That's a giant win for the Trump administration. But the other half of this was always the mass deportations. We've seen some of it. We've seen increased numbers. That's good, but is nowhere near the numbers necessary to put out just a tenth of the people who are in the United States. We haven't even deported the number of people that Biden let in, and we won't at this pace during the Trump presidency. Now, not every person has to be physically deported. By having policies like verification for employers and high taxes on remittances to foreign countries, we can get a lot of immigrants to self deport who aren't supposed to be here. But that pressure has to be applied or we're going to fall behind and Trump is going to fail in that goal.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Oren McIntyre]

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