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Buck Sexton
Virginia hit with a Communist Manifesto courtesy of the new governor of that state and all the Democrats in the state legislature who wants to destroy what is actually the Commonwealth of Virginia is a lovely place. If we could just lop the northern part of it off and like push it into the ocean, it would be a fantastic state. But we'll get into some of this here with our friend David Harsanyi. He is of course at the Washington examiner doing great stuff over there. Mr. Harsanyi is a Virginia native so he can speak this. You know we're going to talk about ICE stuff too, so anyone who wants to get the Harsanyi take on that, we'll get there in a second. I just feel like everyone's ever in. So focus on this. So it's completely crowded out. The stuff that, that the people of Virginia, the residents of Virginia are being presented with right now by their new governor is just madness. Take us through some of this.
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David Harsanyi
Well, I have to correct one thing you said quickly for, for myself, is that I'm not a Virginia native. I do live here, but I'm a New York native.
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Buck Sexton
Oh, there we go. Sure.
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David Harsanyi
Yeah. Yeah. No, I only, I only say that because I'm. I came here thinking it was going to be far more conservative than it actually turned out to be when I moved here. And it's only going to get worse, obviously, like you said, it's all these people from, from the D.C. suburbs ruining Virginia like they ruined other states. I've been in, like, Colorado, where they moved to Denver and ruined it or, you know, elsewhere. But anyway, so Abigail Spamberger is our new governor here. She ran as a moderate, I think, smartly. Right. It was so her, her agenda was like, you didn't even know what she believed in. She just kept. You wouldn't even know she was a Democrat. Watching the ads. Right. First thing when she comes in, she immediately gets rid of an executive order that Youngkin had that, that told local police to work with ice. So obviously she doesn't believe illegal immigration is a problem here in Virginia. I disagree. You know, empirically speaking, I think I've seen a lot of problems here in that regard. The next thing she does is the Democrats have a constitutional amendment they're going to put up that makes abortion a right in the Constitution of Virginia from. From conception until birth. So that is incredibly radical. And wherever, you know, most people who even are pro choice don't go that far in their beliefs. She, she. When it comes to green stuff, she immediately put Virginia back. Gosh, I forget what the name of it is, but this compact with other states that costs Virginia taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars but does nothing to lower emissions, just another green boondoggle. She immediately put, I think, 27 new people on boards of colleges in Virginia who are DEI types who don't, you know, who believe in all, you know, all kinds of affirmative action. And then, of course, there are Democrats who have a slew of bills that we can't even go through that are just everything you imagine, like Zoran Mamdani would do. Like, they're doing it here.
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Buck Sexton
And, yeah, they're banning. They're banning semi. A whole range of semiautomatic legislation. Semiautomatic rifles and pistols. I mean, I have family I still, I have an uncle who lives in Virginia who's, you know, very pro2a. And people are just like, wait a second, none of this was even discussed in this campaign. And now, and now all of a sudden you're banning guns.
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David Harsanyi
Like, think about it. Concealed firearms now have, you know, up to I think, 17 plus one mags.
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Buck Sexton
Right.
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David Harsanyi
But they're going to ban magazines at eight, I think, or whatever, wherever it is now. But I don't know if they're going to grandfather it in. I don't know how it's supposed to work, but I do know that it would probably be challenged constitutionally if they do that. I mean, Virginia has a lot of conservative people. There's gun culture here. There's a lot of religious people here, conservatives. It's, it's going to be pretty ugly, I think, over the next four years.
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Buck Sexton
I mean, they're also trying to mandate home storage requirements. I mean, this. Just to give some people an idea of what this is like in New York City. And I would. I know this, I know you know this, David, because you've looked at all these gun laws in New York City. The law at least, and while I still live there, it might have changed in recent years, but it was to, to get a, to have a handgun and to get a premise permit took like a year. It was like five or six hundred dollars. Again, I know because I looked into it. You have to hold your gun in a lockbox with a trigger on, trigger guard on it or trigger lock on it, and have the ammunition in a separate locked container. So you can forget about this as like a rapid home defense situation. I mean, you're, it's gonna take you to get, to get, you know, locked and ready to go, you know, to get it all take you like two minutes. It's crazy. Crazy. Yeah.
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David Harsanyi
The regulatory burden in that state and others, like even Maryland, basically, it's just, there is no second Amendment, you know, and that's what it is. Yeah. Like I said, I'm originally from New York and my dad wanted to get a gun. When I was growing up, it was so hard to get that virtually was impossible for him to protect himself. And then when you do get a gun, like you say, they continually pile on these laws. That's what, that's where Virginia is headed now, I guess.
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Buck Sexton
Well, so this is the. Because you were obviously paying closer attention to this as a resident than a lot of people listening. But I just, we talked about it a bit on the radio show and, and I was even saying This. I was like, they're running this Spanberger chick who's also like me, ex CIA, so don't hold that against me. They're running this Spanberger chick as like, what is she? Who knows? She's just a mom. She's just a mom who wants kids to have good things and school and healthcare and, you know, and I'm like, I don't even know what this person stands for other than as soon as she's in power, Democrats are going to get all this crazy. And sure enough, like, how do they keep getting away with this? Do people not know what the game is?
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David Harsanyi
She ran basically as a law and order type. I would say a lot of the. The ads had her, you know, background in the CIA and as a cop and stuff like that. I think part of the problem, we have to admit it, is that the Republican Party statewide here and in other states as well, is just garbage, basically. I mean, they did not put up good candidates. I mean, the guy, Jay Jones, who's running for ag, who was caught texting that he hoped or wanted to see his.
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Buck Sexton
The Republican kids die.
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David Harsanyi
Kids killed one, right? And Spamberger won by 15 points. And there was just no opposition. Honestly. They were just like, the Republicans were constantly talking about boys and girls locker rooms in high school, which I think is a genuine issue. Right. But economic issues, I think outweigh that a lot. And people are nervous about the economy and they thought Spamber was going to be a moderate. And here we are.
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Buck Sexton
I just don't understand how. I guess this is why it works. The whole game is people don't pay attention. Because to me, if you're paying even the slightest attention, whether in Virginia, in Wisconsin, in Pennsylvania, the game that Democrats play, and there are some, you know, there's some variability to this, but overall, the game they play is they run as moderates and then they govern as communists. And this is just what they do. And they just. They go. I mean, I know by the way, you're like an intellectual and you are an intellectual and a writer, and so you don't like me saying communist because I know, but you know what I'm saying? They do this left.
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David Harsanyi
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not an intellectual and I hate commies. And I think you're right about that in general. But I was going to just say that Shapiro. We're on the same page on commies, that Shapiro in Pennsylvania ran as a moderate and governs as somewhat of a moderate himself. Now, he does that probably because he has to deal with Republicans, but he is also popular for doing that. And I think if Spanberger governed that way, she'd probably end up being somewhat. Youngkin was popular, he was pretty conservative, but he also worked with Democrats when he had to. And I think that people actually want some of that. I'm not one of these, like people who's, you know, all for bipartisan stuff, but when you have a state that's a swing state like this, you're gonna have to govern that way, I think, to, to hold power and be, you know, and be effective in some way. So we'll see.
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Buck Sexton
It just feels like in Virginia and I think actually Wisconsin, certainly on like the Senate race side, Michigan too, are places where every, every Democrat who runs is the most down the middle, common sense, law and order Democrat you've ever heard of. And then they actually start voting. And I'm talking about in the Senate side of things, for example, and they're just lockstep with whatever the hell the crazy Democrats want. I mean, all that goes out the window. And with, with Spamberger, it's such an obvious bait and switch that happened here. And I just, you know, but Democrats are going to, they're going to try to do a lot of things in that state that I think make it really hard. You know, I think that the calculate. You're right about Pennsylvania, by the way. I was actually thinking in my head, I'm like Fetterman actually was. I think Fetterman was thought of as more left wing than he ended up being in some way. He's kind of, he's a little bit of a, of an eccentric in politics in some ways. Because you and I would agree. Look, you and I would agree. He says good things on, he says good things on Israel and really Jews, and he says good things on immigration, other things. He's very problematic for me. Anyway, I just. With what happened in Virginia, you're just like. And man, there's something also about you. You come across this too. The, the smug Virginia lib who lives in a super high income suburb of D.C. is among the worst lib in the country. Like, there's something particularly odious to me about because I also work at Langley and like I was around a lot of these people. They're the worst. They're the, they're the. My kids go to like either the most elite public school in the country, depending on where they are, or go to like a $50,000 a year private school. But like we need to shut down all the charter schools in D.C. next door because, you know, we can't let, like, underprivileged black and Hispanic kids actually have a chance at, like, a good education.
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David Harsanyi
So I just. I hate.
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Buck Sexton
I hate the Beltway Bandit Libs. They're the worst.
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David Harsanyi
They are. It's like a communist invasion. When I first got to D.C. many years ago, people used to say, you can live in Maryland or you can live on the American side of the border in Virginia. But now it's no longer the American side of the border here at all. Just. They're annoying. They all make their living in some way connected to the federal government. So they have, like, a personal stake as well in making government grow.
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Buck Sexton
Well, that, that everyone always says point too, by the way, the amount. Sorry to jump up, but you and I, you see the same way. The number of people that do something that you're like, that's even a job and is some kind of like, nonprofit or NGO or something, making like 200, 300 grand is mind blowing. When you actually look at this stuff, like, the number of people that do. You're like, that's even a thing. You know, you're like an advisor to the US Institute of Peace. You're making a quarter of a million dollars a year. Like, who are you?
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David Harsanyi
I mean, frankly, I have friends. I don't really know what they do. Like, I don't know what their job is. Like, I'm not saying my job is anything special. I just write stuff, whatever. But I don't. Don't know exactly what they do, what their purpose is. I just want to quickly say, everyone's always saying, you know, D.C. people always complain they don't vote. And there's this idea that we should shrink D.C. and then, you know, more people could vote. But my idea is to expand DC all the way into the Virginia suburbs in Maryland to take voting rights away from more people who rely on government, because that's the purpose of D.C. and, you know, these people are just voting to engorge government constantly.
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Buck Sexton
Well, I would even argue that geographically, what you're saying, because I've thought this for a long time. You'll notice that Northwest D.C. is very large and Southwest D.C. is very tiny. Southwest D.C. in every sense, culturally, politically, and really geographically, should encompass, like, Arlington. Arlington, Virginia should be a part of it should just be. Because that's really what. It's just the expansion. You cross the river, you. It's expensive anyway. So I'm actually with you, with you on that idea.
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David Harsanyi
But yeah, the, the throw in Bethesda Throw in Alexandria. All these places should be in D.C.
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Buck Sexton
You know, my only thing about Alexandria is it's really pretty in the old town. So I feel, I like, I wish that that could be. I wish we could keep that, but I know we can't because it's, it's full of. It's full of very rich commies as well. It's also fallen. Yeah, People are like, I always love this thing. People go, the communists aren't rich. No, actually they are. This is like they don't teach anything to anybody anymore. Like, people actually believe that what Mark said about stuff is somehow the reality of how communist regimes operate. I'm like, all right, anyway, like, you know, this is a whole other conversation getting me fired up here. We got a sponsor, but let's talk ICE when we come back here, as in Immigration and Customs Enforcement. I want the Harsanyi take on what's going on in Minneapolis. We'll get there here in a second. But gold, gold's up 700% in the last 20 years, 60% last year and already up again this year from last year's. So it's hitting all time highs in recent days. Gold makes sense. I just bought more gold myself. And just for the next few days until February 1st, I believe. If you're a first time gold buyer, Birch Gold's offering a rebate of up to $10,000 on qualifying purchases. Birch Gold's who I buy my gold from. To start the process and claim eligibility. Text my Name Buck to 98. 98. 98. Birch Gold can help you roll an existing IRA or 401K into an IRA in gold and you're still eligible for a rebate of, of up to $10,000. Make this month your first time buying gold. Take advantage of a rebate of up to $10,000 when you buy by January 30th. Text my name, Buck Do. 9898 98. Claim your eligibility today.
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Public Investing Representative
All right, David.
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Buck Sexton
This audience will be very familiar with the, you know, the basics of ICE and we're talking about on radio. I've been talking about a podcast, but just where we stand now, it feels like Trump has said he's had these calls. You have the petty shooting. The petty shooting there were, you know, the, the other ones up. The other shooting rather, I think is fully lawful. Tragic, but lawful. This one, you know, it looks like it might have been a good faith but tragic mistake on the part of some of the officer that fired. Point here is they're finally getting some traction with the anti ICE operation narrative. What do you think Trump should do? What do you think's going on here?
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David Harsanyi
I actually agree with all that. I think the second shooting, I didn't do like a forensic look at the video or anything out of my expertise, you know, but it looks more troublesome. So. Yeah. And both tragic. So here's the thing, though. Just because their tragic shooting happens doesn't mean that I don't think ISIS purpose is right or I don't think what Trump is doing is right. Those things are separate issues for me, at least. And I think Trump can't really back off now in a way, because then he's let. It's not even a heckler's veto. It's just you're letting the mob tell you how to govern the country. It's not how it works. Like, ICE has every right to be there. Federal officials control the border and immigration law, and Trump can't back off on that. Should he go about it differently? Do you need different leadership? You know all that? Yeah, maybe you do. I don't know. But you can't back off now. In the hole. It doesn't look like he has. It looks like he talked to walls and they sort of made a deal and now they're moving forward. And I think you need to do that. Most Americans, I think you can't let the mob dictate or convince you that there's public opinion that doesn't exist. Most people don't like illegal immigration.
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Buck Sexton
And also, though, I think there's something so dishonest about. Well, there's a lot, a lot of room there with the way the media shows this stuff. You know, this sort of anti Trump media, Democrat media, whatever this idea that the opposition is to the way these operations are being done. I have to keep reminding everybody there is no form of ICE arresting and deporting illegals that these people would be okay with and accept. Right. This is why I feel like there's a. There's a fundamental dishonesty in this whole thing. They're saying, oh, they're acting like Gestapo. Ok, well, they won't let them into the prisons to get people who are already arrested for other things, who are being held or, you know, being processed for other crimes they won't work with. They won't, they won't do anything in these sanctuary jurisdictions. The only option then is to go out into the streets and actually arrest people who they're looking for, who are violating law in the country illegally. And there's no version of this where the people that are being arrested are going to be happy about it. Like, if they show me one more illegal who's arrested, who looks unhappy or who's crying, I'm like, yeah, this is, you know, if people get arrested for tax evasion, they cry too. Like, this is the deal, folks.
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David Harsanyi
I agree with all of that. You know, there is no. For most, there's not going to be any level of enforcement that they're going to like. It's like when you, when they tell you, for instance, I'm against assault rifles, well, if you, once you dig deeper, boom, they're against all guns. It's the way it is every time. But there's a kind of a broader issue too, where there's just this, like, protest culture that drives me crazy, where people think they're patriotic just because they're protesting. Like in this. And it's the newest thing for them. There was blm, and then it was Gaza. Now it's ice. And tomorrow, who knows what it's going to be. And it's this hysteria they create. And they won with BLM in a way, but you can't let them win here. This is illegal stuff. If you don't like what's going on with ice. We live in a free country. You can elect people who are going to make ICE go away or whatever you want. But Trump won the election. He was very clear on this issue. And he has the right to send ICE to Minnesota. So. And you notice this doesn't happen in states where local officials work with the federal government. Right. Doesn't happen in Texas, doesn't happen in wherever Florida, but it happens in Minnesota for a reason.
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Buck Sexton
What's happened to Minnesota? Like, how do you diagnose? I, I used to go there when I was a kid, so now I'm old, David. So that was like almost, you know, I don't know, 30 something years ago. We'd go there, my family, to go on camping trips because, like the, you know, such a pristine wilderness up, you know, north along the border with Canada. And I now it's like. It's like a frozen well. I was gonna say it's like American Siberia. It's like the communists are running the show up there. What the hell's going on?
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David Harsanyi
I don't know enough about it, but I'll say that they've been Democrats for a long time. I don't think Republican has won there since maybe Reagan, 80s.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah, it's been, it's been four years.
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David Harsanyi
But they had a certain kind of union member, kind of like Working class kind of Democrat. That was a little different. And now that's morphed into something really. I mean, I'm sure there are still many of those around, but it's morphed into, in the big cities at least into something very far left wing and very violent. Right. I mean, this is where, you know, there's been violence here before. And I don't know, it's, it's troubling, I think. I mean, these are tragic incidents and we, you know, I don't want to belittle that. And it's, you know, especially that first one. It's just unnecessary. People are hysterical. You know, well, this cannot get in the way.
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Buck Sexton
I resent all these people. Like I resent on Morning Joe, these people who are millionaires sitting in, you know, studios, whatever. Look, I'm sitting in a studio now and people could lob things at me, but I would just say I'm not encouraging people in the freezing cold to go scream in the faces of armed law enforcement officers and get in the way of their cars with their car sometimes and, and threaten them and be like, you're inciting, you know, you're, you're inviting people to do very stupid things. You're telling people to play, you know, how, quote, how close can I jump in front of the train as it passes without getting hit, when someone gets hit. And you think that that's a fun game you've been telling everyone to play. I think that there's some culpability there, at least morally. I know it's not legal, but it's moral culpability.
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David Harsanyi
No, I agree. There's things you can do and there's things you can do but you shouldn't do. And like, if you have cops around you and you're going to hit the gas, tragic thing is going to happen after that. And everyone should know that. And another thing, like, everyone slows down these videos and all that. I, I'm so Murray. It's actually a split second decision cops usually have to make. I don't know about the second, but definitely in the first one. He's got to make a decision right there. And I have never been in that position. And it's very difficult for me to just be like, that's murder. Like, I hear that's an execution. No, it's not. It's tragic, but I'm not a cop. I'm sitting here in a, in a room and I don't know what went on before. I don't know what, what, what the guys you Know what's happened to that cop before? And so I don't know. I think people should give them some leeway. I'm not saying it's a, you know, I'm not saying they should go around, act like, you know, bullies, but we should give them some leeway when they're.
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Buck Sexton
In dangerous situations, especially when people are making things harder for them. And all this stuff, too, with the noisemakers and the rape whistles that they're using and all this stuff. I bet. Just so you know, David, I'm. And if you want to take this term and run with it, please, I'm calling them sabotage operations. These are not pro. It's not a protest. Like you driving your car in front of other cops so they can't do something is not protest. It's illegal and it's. And you're sabotaging law enforcement operations. So I just think that the whole notion, it's like the mostly, Mostly peaceful protests where buildings are on fire during blm. Like the buildings being on fire is actually the point. No one cares about the peaceful protest. Fine, do that. But we don't care. The point that gets everyone's attention is the illegal stuff that's ominous and threatening and undermines law and order.
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David Harsanyi
Yeah. I mean, there's a role for civil disobedience when you're actually fighting for some freedom or something. I mean, you know, but if you're. There's consequences to that as well. And if you're going to put yourself in front of a cop to stop him from doing his job, which is legitimate, which, which we, we. We came to through democracy. We didn't just. They're not. These aren't Gestapo and they're doing something. You know, there's. There's consequences to pay. I'm not saying it's okay to shoot people again, but, you know, we all have to have some common sense. I think. So, yeah.
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Buck Sexton
David has to throw in some provisos or some softening at the end there because he lives in Virginia and some of his neighbors are probably lunatic leftists. So there's always that. You've always got to keep a. He's got to always. You might see some maniacs at the, at the, the property line. They're trimming their hedges, buddy, you know, it's the reality.
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David Harsanyi
This is why I stay. That's why I'm a shut in, build an armory here.
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Buck Sexton
There's this, there's this place, David, I want to tell you about. There's this place, especially right now, as you're wearing that itchy sweater and I'm sitting here about to walk outside of the sunset. There's this place. You left New York. I left New York. Did you. Did you run out of gas because you stopped short of where you need to go? This place called Florida, David. Florida.
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David Harsanyi
I tell you, weeks like this, I'm kind of mad at myself. Yeah. Because I thought it wouldn't be that cold where I am, but it's. It's cold. So I don't know, maybe. Maybe we'll be neighbors in the future. Yeah.
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Buck Sexton
For you, we have room. Governor Desantis would welcome you. Ok. For you there's room for the communists? No, but it is filling up fast, so I would. I would give it some thought. David, where can people go to read your latest stuff? Keep up with all your. All your analysis, thoughts and musings.
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David Harsanyi
Most of my stuff's at the Washington Examiner. You can find me there or on Twitter or whatever. X I'm David Harsani.
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Buck Sexton
When's the next book coming out?
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David Harsanyi
I don't know.
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Buck Sexton
I know books are brutal. Mine's coming out in a month, by the way.
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David Harsanyi
Yeah. Oh, really?
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Buck Sexton
Yeah.
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David Harsanyi
What's it about?
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Buck Sexton
It's called manufacturing delusion. About. It's about instigating political madness, actually. And like, looking at it, totalitarian history. It's actually cool. Like, you would. You, as somebody who writes and is a writer, I think would be like, this is actually a book book. It's not like Buck Saves America and it's just me ranting. It's like there's research, there's, there's.
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David Harsanyi
Look forward to reading it.
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Buck Sexton
Thank you. Yeah. Okay. I'll get you a copy. So.
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David Harsanyi
Yeah, but writing it was brutal, right? I mean, I think it's brutal, you.
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Buck Sexton
Know, and it's like two years for the hours in. Hours in, hours out. I mean, this is why everyone just wants to do like podcasting and, and be like social media stars now, because you make no money writing. Like, writing is the most underpaid profession. And I really feel like, like our civilization is starting to lose something. Because to be a writer, well, nevermind with AI and now chatbot and all this stuff, but to be a writer is increasingly becoming like a not. It used to be a thing that was very hard, but there was a payoff to it. Right? Or there was sort of. You know, I grew up with authors that I loved and they sold their books and they got made into movies and all that, you know, at least there was that. Now it's just, I feel like the publishing industry. I don't know, man. It's tough.
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David Harsanyi
But. But you. But. But don't you feel personal satisfaction seeing that you wrote a book? Like, it's such a cool thing to do? No.
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Buck Sexton
You know what? I like that. I'm gonna. I'm gonna. I'm gonna show this. I'm gonna end on. There it is. I mean, there it is.
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David Harsanyi
Yeah.
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Buck Sexton
Cool. There's the satisfaction right there. I got to actually write a book.
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David Harsanyi
The worst part's still to come. You have to sell it. And that's. That's the. For me, that was.
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Buck Sexton
Go get your copy of Manufacturing Delusion. By the way, everybody, I'll throw that pitch on at the end. Harsani, great to see you, man. Thanks for hanging today.
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David Harsanyi
You too. Talk to you soon. I already love same day delivery with Shipt, but it's so much better since.
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Buck Sexton
I signed up for target's circle 360. Why? Because I no longer pay price. Markups from the majority of stores through Shipt. Only a handful of alcohol retailers and items don't count. That means no markups on groceries, pet food, even home goods and makeup. So to recap, I have more time.
- [26:52]
David Harsanyi
To catch up on life while someone.
- [26:54]
Buck Sexton
Shops for me and I spend less. It's a win win.
- [26:58]
David Harsanyi
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