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Buck Brief - Why Libs Are Losing Their Minds Over the ICE Shooting
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This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human. You're listening to the Buck Sexton show podcast. Make sure you subscribe to the podcast on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Why are the Democrats all so up in arms over what has happened in Minneapolis recently? The shooting of the ICE Interrupter lady. Now this has become a. Something of, of a, of a cause out there for the liberal media, for the left, all of them. It's a big deal for them. We will talk to our friend Wilfred Riley about this now. He's the author of Lies My Liberal Teacher Told Me. It's a great book. Go get a copy of it. Uh, Wilford, what, what's happening here? It seems like they want to make this a really big thing, but their hearts aren't as in it as when St. George Floyd was killed. So what's going on?
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Yeah, I mean, like some of my buddies have been kind of roasting this almost online. Like it's harder to get people to riot for middle class white people, you know, and there's an element of cynicism to that, but there's probably also some reality. You know, this is not quite as good, as easy, as effective, a martyr. You know, in, in reality, the, the actual story here is a pretty non sympathetic story. And the actual Jacob Blake and George Floyd stories weren't necessarily sympathetic. But I mean, this is a woman that's part of one of these groups. I believe this one is ICE Watch, that have been following federal agents, federal policing operatives around the Twin Cities, trying to stop them from basically doing their job. She and her wife get into a confrontation with ice, and I don't know whether she's trying to intentionally hit the agent or not, but there's a guy on foot in front of her suv. She accelerates the suv, starts revving it up with him there. And I mean, I think my background's in the law. He obviously has a very reasonable fear for his health if it's not his life. He discharges three shots, good firearm control there. And she unfortunately is killed. And I think even that plays a role. A lot of people, whatever they might say publicly, are pretty aware one, that this isn't a typical civil rights situation. But also two, it's very easily understandable why this happened the way it did. So, no, I mean, you haven't seen any riots or anything like that. I mean, you have seen a lot of outpouring from public figures. I mean, the way I described the case is pretty accurate. That's what happened in the Case, but you've nonetheless seen Tim Walls today. He posted to Twitter from her not grave site, but from the location where she was shot, standing amidst all these flowers and stuffed bears and so on, saying, this is a real tragedy.
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Explain this to me, if you would, Wilford. Why are NBA coaches calling this a murder? You had Doc Rivers, Steve Kerr. They. They're. They're referring to this as like a murder, a horrible, horrible thing. This is. This is the worst thing that they think has happened in America in recent months. Were they speaking out when Charlie Kirk was assassinated, by the way, which everyone agreed was a crime? I just like, why do they feel the need to jump in on this? If you're, if you're Wanda Sykes at the, the. Not the Oscars, the Golden Globes, all these people that care so much about this. Why? I don't know.
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I mean, I think it's sort of a tribal ritual. I mean, Dick Hanania, who I don't agree with on all issues, but, I mean, he describes some of this from the right, what he calls the based ritual, where you're just showing that you're. You're allied to one side. I mean, he critiqued us more than the left, actually, with this. But you see it all the time with the left, where you're saying that I am a member of the team, I am a good person. Bas. You know, why would you support an illegal immigrant criminal in the first place in any situation as a white radical woman? Well, because you're making a more dramatic statement than you would by just being a regular, everyday, boring feminist, right? Like, you're showing how wildly good you're willing to be, how much of a chance you're willing to give everyone. And I think that's sort of the thing with these people. I mean, what you're saying is that you generally are willing to see the police as the bad guys. You generally are willing to assume the government's in the wrong. And I mean, the overall. One of the messages that a lot of people are giving out when it comes to ice, that I think, obviously you notice, but that's really, like, center on left. The mainstream message in the USA is that we shouldn't be deporting any illegal aliens. So, I mean, when you say that this person is in a city where legal and illegal immigrants have ripped off $12 billion, let's not forget that. And I mean, her actions are almost certainly illegal. How can you cheer for what's going on here? The context there is, well, she's opposing the bad people that are Sending the good people home. I think that's the framework a lot of these people have. I mean, Steve Kerr is not a political expert. Yeah, I liked him as a sharpshooter for the Bulls, but it means you keep his mouth shut about politics. But I think that's what's going on up there, if anything is. Yeah, it's.
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It's pretty remarkable to me that in some of these, you know, you mentioned there haven't been broad scale riots. There's been some. Some street thuggery, activist stuff in Minneapolis, you know, like they. They've gathered outside a hotel where they thought ice was, and I think they maybe broke some windows or something. Nothing on the scale of the George Floyd burning down police stations and all that. Of course, that would be on the news 247 just because of the spectacle of it all. So it's a very scaled down version of that so far, but it's some of it. I saw we actually talked about this on radio, Wilfred. They were doing like land acknowledgments at one of these Minnesota approaches before. And so I think this is fascinating. So we still have to sit there and be concerned about the rights of, I don't know what tribe, you know, like Algonquin or something. I don't know who's up there in Minnesota area, maybe. Yeah, there we go. You know about this stuff, I'd have to think I'm better at the Southern tribes. I live in Florida. Better the Southern tribes. I don't know. As many of the Northern. I'd say like Sioux maybe, or anyway, Dakota, but Lakota Dakota. So they're doing those. And yet we're not allowed to enforce laws in a country that has a massive welfare state and resources that are given to those because of their physical presence. We're not allowed to be like, well, we got here first. And we say, you can't just show up because you feel like it's.
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Yeah, I mean, it's. Well, they're, they're two different levels. I think the most entertaining thing is the Omni cause, right, where you have the chubby upper middle class lesbian feminists showing up to protest for the Somali fraudsters who can't possibly be deported. And they're all together doing land acknowledgments for the noble Anishinaabe people and so on. I mean, and it's. The question is, like, what do all these people have in common? And it really gets back to a buddy of mine, James Lindsay, or local distance, one of those philosopher types. They tend to Be pretty good on this. The idea is that you're getting back to the coalition of the fringes, right? Like what all these people have in common is that they hate mainstream centered society, white, middle class, Christian, anyone who might own three neckties. And what, what they want to do is kind of rip that down, tear that down from being a majority position in the country. And then a lot of people, Abby Hoffman said this and frankly pretty much accepted they'll all fight it out among one another. You saw this in the, the Muslim world where they beat the Shah and they beat the Christian government in Lebanon. And then it was a free for all between the communists and the Islamists and all these other, in my opinion, terrible people. Until, you know, so one of them finally won, usually the Islamists over there. So, and now, by the way, the Iranians shout to them, are coming back from this. But that, that's why you're seeing like a Somali woman in a hijab, you know, shouting out the native American population of the land. The, the last thing about this though, I, I absolutely agree with you in that what happened to the natives is not an argument for mass low end immigration. Like, I'm part native and I get annoyed every time people bring this up, right? Like people say, well, you know, Chief Joseph fought hard for this land. Who are you to defend it now? And it's sort of like, well, Chief Joseph, you know, honor to his name, didn't want people coming in and taking away his surprisingly civilized people's land. The whole point of border defense is that stuff like that can happen where now he is a road, but his people don't own the land anymore. So I mean, I think that the descendants of the English and black and German and Irish people that beat him would do well to keep that in mind.
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Yep. And what also though, the whole land acknowledgement thing, to me it is among the most obvious religious and ritualistic manifestations of left wing ideology today because it is purely a manifestation of allegiance to belief. Like, no one actually thinks we're going to what, we got 350 million people here, like, well, what are we going to do? We're going to give it back to the, to the ancestors. The whole thing is absurd. And we've already had, we've gone through this, we've got, you know, casinos and you got reservations and all these different policies that already exist. So what's the point of the land acknowledgement? I don't understand. I mean, I also wonder like, at what point do they start having, you know, struggle sessions in UK primary schools over what they did during the Irish potato famine in 1840. I mean, it's like, OK, I mean, it was bad, but I don't know that people today should be. Did you see you had this. Portland Police Chief Bob Day started crying because he had to admit. Did you see this? This guy starts crying. He's the chief of police in Portland. Chief of police. And he has to admit that the Trenda Aragua guys who tried to run over a cop who got shot were actually Trenda Aragua. Why is he crying, Wilfred? Why is he crying?
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Well, first of all, because he shouldn't be the chief of police. I mean, there. Because we've created. I actually wrote an article about this for National Review once that got into complex morality where I was talking about Nietzsche versus Jesus and so on. And I said, they're both of whom I had positive things to say about, by the way. But I said they're basically three types of morality. There is master morality, which is kind of Nietzsche, and the old warrior idea, like strength is good. There's kind of yeoman morality, like muscular Christianity, which is, you know, build. Doing good is good. Building this sort of thing, helping others. What we. What we've kind of gotten into right now is empathic morality, which is that, like, not causing risk is good. Like the highest virtue isn't bravery or strength, it's empathy. And I think that that's how you get into these. These weird places that, that we are in right now. And you come to a lot of weird conclusions if you take these ideas very seriously. One of them seems to be that you shouldn't weight people at all in, like, the Christian ordo amorous sense. So traditionally, immigration has been thought of in terms of how it benefits the country that's letting in the immigrants. When I talk to lips, when I talk to modern leftists about immigration, they tend to think of it in terms of how it benefits the immigrants. So, I mean, I was talking to the guy behind the Twitter account EvanLoves Wharf at 1 point. He's actually not an idiot. But I mean, I made the point that, like, female genital mutilation is really common in Somalia. And, like, this is a bad thing that's going to come to the USA if we let in large numbers of Somalis. And he said, well, at least we can punish the people doing it here, unlike Somalia, so we might help some Somali girls. And it wasn't even a dishonorable statement. It just struck me as kind of a lunatic one. Like we would get a Lot worse. But some Somali kids might be helped out in the country. That's collapsing. I think that, like, once you accept that paradigm, like it's out there, prey morality is what I'd call it. Nietzsche called it slave morality. So did some Christian writers. Like, once you get that, like, it's bad to hurt your enemies, this kind of thing, then you get why you're crying because your cop ran over a gang banger. I just, like that might be a useful attitude for the manager of a homeless shelter. You just can't have that in your chief of police. It's not even whether it's good or bad. You just can't have the cops crying because they shot the criminals. It doesn't work.
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Yes, that is, I think that's a good summation. You can't. You can't have it.
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B
You know what I mean?
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Well, this is also what you see with the, a lot of the escalatory theatrics, whether it's of these ice. You had the Ice warriors, they call themselves. Right. Whatever.
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Yeah.
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Or I. Yeah. But one of the things that they love to do is to antagonize police in every way they can, short of requiring a physical violence, let's be, let's be clear, violent response from the cops to see if they can just, you know, get them right to that edge, or, oh, you know, you put your hands on me, but you weren't required. And I don't think they understand all law at the end of the day, whether it's you refusing to give someone your driver's license in a car when you're pulled over, or you refusing a lawful command to stop when there's a scene of a crime and officers have a reasonable suspicion. Like at the end of the day, if people aren't willing to put hands on you and wrestle you to the ground, there is no law. And I think this is what the left sort of struggles with or just ignores. They don't understand that whether you're a middle aged, you know, middle aged white lesbian who really opposes ice, or you're a guy who is, you know, a fleeing felon who's wanted on 15 arrest warrants, some guy has to be able to put hands on you and throw you to the ground if you don't obey lawful commands, or else there is no law.
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Yeah, I mean, I think that's absolutely correct. And I think people have made this point for centuries, if not millennia, that like under the world of words written on paper, there's the actual world of weapons and iq where the real games are played that uphold the fake world of words written on paper. And if you've never seen anything but the world, the world of words written on paper, you start believing that that's actually real. And that leads to these weird encounters that we see. And I mean it goes beyond like the cop crying because the criminals are injured to some of this stuff like where people are looking at the cops and saying like, you are 1% over the line and I do not consent to you touching me. And it's sort of just, it's a lack of understanding of reality. Like it's the thinking that the formal thing that's over the real thing is actually real and will protect you and that, I mean you see a lot of this. Like the feminist writer Kathy Young was doing this on social media for the past couple days about this stupid car thing. Like, well, maybe she hit him with a car. But it was, it was very light, it was non fatal. And it's sort of like if you see someone driving towards you with an SUV and you're legally allowed to shoot them, you're probably going to shoot them. Like you're not going to spend the split second of time you have analyzing how likely you are to die as versus just get hurt.
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And I think also I think people forget too. Have you ever had the experience of like you have the right of way, you're walking and some guy just to be a jerk decides to like hit the accelerator really hard right as he's going past you on the street. Now I'm not saying you'd have the right there to shoot somebody, but I am saying you get really like, it's a normal human reaction to have like a surge of rage because that person did just put you in some, you know, again, assuming you had the right of way and somebody, I mean this has happened to me many times before where someone just, you know, decides they're going to hit because they're frustrated and they're pissed off and they just want to show you how tough they are or whatever. But they zoom that 3,000 pound vehicle past you unnecessarily. You're like, you're, you're angry. And if you're a cop and they do it at you like I can't imagine my response if someone actually hit me. Oh, I'm pulling. I mean I fire a lot of guns. I'm pulling, I'm drawing, I'm shooting.
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Yeah, I also think there's an element of reality even on the other side there. Like why would you Be angry. Why would you, as a decently tough guy, jump out of the way because someone's driving towards you with a car? Like, it doesn't make any sense to say, I've got the. Right away, buddy, I'm not moving. The reality is that everyone moves. Everyone feels a little bit punked because you're walking and somebody else is in a vehicle. So I mean, again, there's just. There are those practical realities there. Everyone recognizes that if you're in a 3,000 pound murder machine, you can kill somebody. And the conscious denial of this is really bizarre. But yeah, I mean the, the martyrdom in this case, I don't think it's worked as well as it has before. But you're, you're definitely seeing it in full swing. I mean, you're definitely seeing the. I mean there's about a block and a half area of street that's just swathed with like flowers and stuffed animals, boxes of fairly expensive chocolates. There are. And it's part of an ongoing mythology by this point. So like her girl, her wife and other people have nailed not only all these paintings of her up to nearby fences, but all these paintings of like other martyrs in the whole blm. Slash, like Matthew Shepard, gay rights, slash stole on struggle. So like there's a picture of George Floyd next.
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I'm sure there's some Trayvon stuff there. There's got to be Trayvon somewhere in the mix. Like this is. These are, these are the icons.
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It's like Freddie Gray. It's like if you go to like an old like black or Irish grandma's house and there's like Christ and John F. Kennedy and like somebody else, some corrupt local politician. It's the same thing, except it's with.
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Dead.
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Public figures from the past 20 years. So yeah, it was, it was George Floyd, I think Michael Brown. I don't want to exaggerate about this at all, but like her and her wife.
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I've been to protests in the past, by the way, where all this, where they have the actual placards. And I've seen. And this is pre George Floyd actually, but I've seen the. This person was shot by police. This person was shot by police. Or you know, it is in the case of Trayvon, of course, the guy wasn't even a cop. But put that aside. One, one, one moment here for our sponsor, Birch Gold. Birch Gold Group wants you to get gold because gold went up over 60% last year and they really want to get in first time gold buyers. I own gold. I Think gold makes sense long term as a portion of your portfolio. And Birch Gold says until January 30th. If you're a first time gold buyer, they're offering a rebate of up to $10,000 on qualifying purchases. Start the process and claim eligibility. Text my Name Buck to 9898 98. Birch can help you roll an existing IRA or 401k into an IRA in gold and you're still eligible for a rebate of up to $10,000. Make this month your first time buying gold. Take advantage of a rebate of up to $10,000 when you buy by January 30th. Text Buck B U C K Do 989898 to claim your eligibility. That's 98. 98 98. Wilfred the book is, is Lies. My liberal teacher told me it has been selling great since its publication, what about a year or two ago. It's been fantastic. So people, can you, can you give me a prediction? Does the. Well, because next time we have you on, we'll see. Does Iran, does the Ayatollah government, the Iranian revolution, does it fall between now and your next podcast appearance?
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Unfortunately, probably not. I mean one of the things with these strongman run fairly competent governments is that they're, they're unpopular with their people, but they don't really have that institutional guilt that we see in the West. So I mean, in China and I'm including even Russia, kind of that white west here. So like in, in the Soviet Union when you had glasnost, you had perestroika, you had all these brilliant young blonde dancing in the street saying we want freedom. Gorbachev kind of listened to him. I mean, in China you saw the same thing. They're just as human. I mean, you had the crowds out there in Tiananmen, the Chinese just sent lines of tanks. He was snaking down two miles away and crushed it killed everybody. And I mean I, the Iranians, they're, they're not a match for our military, but they're probably top 20 militaries in the world. They're going to likely do the same thing, I think, I mean, I don't want to.
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You're correct. The one thing that, that authoritarian regimes especially that have access to revenue from fossil fuels or drugs but authoritarian regimes are generally very good at is staying in power. This is because that's what they're obsessed with. That's the goal, number one. Because they know if they're not in power, they're going to end up either in the wrong side of a firing squad or, you know, in some hellhole prison. And that's true of everybody who's so I have to look, I hope I'm wrong, but I think you gave the right answer. But we'll come back, we'll talk to you about it in in some time when you're back on the show. Check out Wilford's book and appreciate you being with me, my man. I'll talk to you soon.
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Sounds good. Sounds good, Buck. Have a good day.
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