C&B Deep Dive - South African Refugees

Summary

Summary of "C&B Deep Dive - South African Refugees" Episode

Podcast Information:

• Title: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
• Host/Authors: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton
• Episode: C&B Deep Dive - South African Refugees
• Release Date: May 17, 2025
• Description: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton explore pressing news, political issues, and current events with a blend of intelligence and humor. This episode delves into the resettlement of South African refugees, media responses, and the broader implications for U.S. immigration policy.

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1. Introduction to the South African Refugee Resettlement

[03:06] Buck Sexton:
"Were discussing the resettlement of South African refugees under the Trump administration."

[03:12] Clay Travis:
"Trump signed an Executive Order facilitating the resettlement of approximately 50 South Africans fleeing crises in their home country."

2. Media and Institutional Responses

[07:20] Buck Sexton:
"Despite the relatively small number of refugees, the media has presented this as a significant concern, contrasting sharply with the coverage of larger immigration issues under previous administrations."

[12:27] Clay Travis:
"The New York Times covered the issue, highlighting tensions with articles like 'Kill the Boar,' which refers to anti-white sentiments among some South Africans. Travis criticizes the media for downplaying the severity and context of the situation."

3. South Africa's Internal Struggles

[07:23] Clay Travis:
"South Africa faces severe economic downturns, high poverty rates, and rampant crime, exacerbated by policies favoring racial redistribution of land."

[10:57] Buck Sexton:
"Clay emphasizes that the current administration in South Africa exhibits open racial discrimination, reminiscent of Zimbabwe's land reforms under Mugabe, leading to economic collapse."

[19:54] Clay Travis:
"Referring to the documentary 'Mugabe and the White African,' Travis highlights the destructive impact of land expropriation on Zimbabwe's economy and social fabric, drawing parallels to South Africa."

4. Institutional Opposition: The Episcopal Church

[07:23] Clay Travis:
"The Episcopal Church has refused to participate in the resettlement of white South African refugees, citing its commitment to racial justice despite the clear racial persecution these individuals face."

5. Personal Accounts from the Field

[17:41] Buck Sexton:
"Greg from South Dakota shares his experience hiring South African workers on his farm. He narrates harrowing stories of violence faced by these refugees, highlighting their gratitude and commitment to building new lives in the U.S."

[18:05] Clay Travis:
"Greg recounts an instance where a refugee expressed deep appreciation for the opportunities in America, contrasting with the dire circumstances they fled."

6. Critique of U.S. Immigration Policy and Political Implications

[21:06] Buck Sexton:
"Discussion shifts to the Democratic Party's stance on race and immigration, arguing that current policies reflect anti-White biases and undermine the traditional American identity as a nation of immigrants."

[25:36] Clay Travis:
"Clay criticizes the Democratic Party for their perceived hypocrisy, emphasizing selective outrage over white refugees from South Africa while previously allowing millions of other immigrants under less scrutiny."

[26:09] Buck Sexton:
"Explores how identity politics have infiltrated the Democratic base, leading to policies that alienate 'normal' Americans and promote divisive racial agendas."

7. Discussion on Racial Identity and Native Status

[43:03] Buck Sexton:
"Buoys the conversation towards questions of native status and racial identity, challenging the logic behind claims that certain races are less 'native' to specific regions."

[50:04] Clay Travis:
"Questions the arbitrary nature of defining native status based on historical presence, drawing parallels to other global and historical contexts where native claims are contested."

8. Concluding Remarks and Final Thoughts

[54:28] Clay Travis:
"Wraps up the discussion by reiterating the need for a balanced and fair immigration system that prioritizes skilled and deserving individuals, critiquing the current administration's policies as flawed and racially biased."

[54:34] Buck Sexton:
"Emphasizes the importance of legal immigration pathways and the benefits of welcoming refugees who can contribute positively to American society."

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Clay Travis at [10:57]:
  "South Africa is actually a sort of final stage, you know, affirmative action state, if you will, where they have actual hard quotas... the government is insanely corrupt."

• Buck Sexton at [17:52]:
  "One guy left his wife and two daughters... They've been here for five years, appreciating what America offers them."

• Clay Travis at [25:36]:
  "The Democrats are so upset. I actually watched this MSNBC panel this morning... They're so upset over 50 white migrants showing up from South Africa."

• Buck Sexton at [43:03]:
  "If you believe human migration patterns and the existence of humanity, we all in some way are native to Africa."

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Insights and Conclusions

Clay Travis and Buck Sexton critically examine the Trump administration's initiative to resettle white South African refugees, highlighting the racial dynamics and media bias surrounding the issue. They argue that the positive attributes of the refugees and the dire circumstances they flee are overshadowed by a politicized narrative that reflects broader ideological battles within the U.S. political landscape. The episode underscores the tension between maintaining a merit-based immigration system and navigating the complex interplay of race, media representation, and political agendas.

The hosts advocate for a more equitable immigration policy that recognizes genuine refugee needs while critiquing policies they perceive as favoring certain racial groups over others. By drawing parallels to historical events in Zimbabwe and analyzing current political rhetoric, Travis and Sexton call for a reassessment of how the U.S. approaches immigration and refugee resettlement in a manner that aligns with foundational American values of equality and opportunity.

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[Buck Sexton]

Welcome to Clay and Buck's Deep Dive podcast. Taking an issue and going a little.

[Clay Travis]

Deeper so you can too. A story that Trump has also put into the news cycle here has to do with the resettling of some refugees from South Africa. Now, the administration had spoken about this before Trump signed an EO on this, and it's very interesting to see the objections to this. I, I want to spend a little time on this Clay, because I think this is a fascinating issue. Um, and, and let me just tell you, first off, I think 50 of them have been. Are. Are. Are in the process. 5, 050. Okay. Are in the process of being re. Resettled. I think, you know, we, we've seen that guy tied to Ms. 13. He, he had like eight people in the car when the cops pulled them aside. Abrego Garcia. And they were saying that the police said they believed that he was a human trafficker. 50 people is not a lot of people. But the media is very, very iffy on this, very concerned about this. A lot of questions. All of a sudden after 10 plus million people piled into the country falsely claiming by the numbers. Go look at the court cases. Over 90% of them not actually worth or, you know, should not get asylum. Not actually people deserving of asylum. Fifty South Africans show up and there's a problem with this because they're white. And you say, you sit here, you go a whole lot of. So is our policy that you can't be a white refugee? That certainly would have been news to a lot of Ashkenazi Jews during the Second World War. Like you can't be a white refugee. This is Trump speaking about this play 25. Now South Africa leadership is coming to see me. I understand. Sometime next week. And you know, we're supposed to have a guess a G20 meeting there or something. But having a G20 meeting. I don't know how we can go unless that situation's taken care of. But it's a genocide that's taking place that you people don't want to write about. But it's a terrible thing that's taking place. And farmers are being killed. They happen to be white, but whether they're white or black makes no difference to me. But white farmers are being brutally killed and their land is being confiscated in South Africa. And the newspapers and the media. Television. Media doesn't even talk about it. If it were the other way around, they'd talk about it. That would be the only story they'd talk about. I don't care who they are. I don't care about the. Their race, their color. I don't care about their height, their weight. I don't care about anything. I just know that what's happening is terrible. I have people that live in South Africa. They say it's a terrible situation taking place. So we've essentially extended citizenship to those people. Play. The media has generally written more skeptical and even critical coverage of 50 white South 5, 0 white South Africans being resettled in this country under ref. Under refugee status than they did for four years of Biden with 10 plus million illegals being cartel human trafficked across the border. What is going on? I think. I mean, I think we know what's going on totally.

[Buck Sexton]

And look, this goes into. We talked about what an incredible weekend Trump had in so many different positive results. And we should mention, basically, the stock market is now back at the price that it was in January, stock prices surging today. And I hope that a lot of you did not buy into that fear that they tried to drive. Oh, the stock market's gonna collapse. The government, you know, our economy's gonna collapse. All that stuff. We told you to stay calm. Either buy more if you had the ability to do it, or at least hold onto your stocks. I hope you guys did. I hope you didn't let the panic get to you. But the thing that they're not talking about at all, to your point, Buck, the southern border is one of the biggest successes that I can remember any president ever saying, I will fix it. We hear a lot from politicians who basically make a living saying, I will fix it. And then they get into office and nothing really changes. Can you remember in 100 days, and it even took less than 100 days, it only took 30. Can you remember anything that a president has ever fixed faster than what Trump did at the border, such that nobody even talks about it now.

[Clay Travis]

It's just.

[Buck Sexton]

No, it was a huge story.

[Clay Travis]

It was, it was a huge concern of the American people going into this last election, as we know, right alongside the economy. It was really 1 and 2. Economy 1, border 2. And some polls. Border could even outstrip the economy. Depends because the border and the economy are tied together too. There's a lot, A lot of these things are seen side by side. But remember, it's not just Clay that he fixed it so quickly. It's that he came in and fixed it so quickly. And the previous occupant of the Oval Office had spent four years through his surrogates and through the media telling us, it's so hard, it's so complicated, we can't do anything to fix this. Which was always a lie because of course they could. One of the biggest changes isn't just the enforcement mechanisms at the border. It is that. What do we say a million times here, Clay? We talk about the border. It's about the incentives. If you think you can get in and stay, a lot of people will come. People now think, hold on a second, do I want to pay a coyote 5, 10, 15 grand? Do I want to deal with the cartels and show up in Mexico and, you know, spend time in an immigration facility in America and all this stuff? If I don't think I'm going to get to stay, I might get sent home. Completely changes the calculation. But I did want to bring us back, Clay, to why is there such. I mean, here's the Associated Press, you know, reporting on this. Episcopal Church says it will not help resettle white South Africans granted refugee status in the U.S. episcopal Church's migration Service is refusing a directive from the federal government to help resettle white South Africans granted refugee status, citing the church's long standing commitment to racial justice and reconciliation. Presiding Bishop Rowe announced that after 49 South Africans departed their homeland, bound for new homes in the U.S. episcopal migration ministries will halt its decades long partnership with the government the Episcopal Church is refusing to help with. After 40 years of, oh yeah, give it, you know, anybody, we'll help anybody come into this place and resettle them. They won't help these South Africans be resettled. They are subject to state sponsored. Now, see, this is why this is so hold on. What's going on in South Africa? You start to look at this, what's happening in South Africa, Clay? South Africa is actually a. It has become a sort of final stage, you know, affirmative action state, if you will, where they have actual hard quotas. So that, you know, companies like the board of a company has to be 85% black, and, you know, the employees of a company have to be 85. Whatever. I'm making up the numbers is something like that. And the government also is constantly flirting with more ways to take land from white farmers in that country. And this has caused a tremendous amount of dysfunction. The government is insanely corrupt, by the way. It has economically been reduced to a horrible rate of growth, and there's a lot of poverty and crime and all these things. But there is open racial discrimination by the state. That's what it is. Our own constitution, our own Supreme Court said, you actually can't do this in Harvard admissions. Well, you also shouldn't be able to do this anywhere else. You shouldn't be able to discriminate on the basis of race. And that's why there's such an outrage here to bringing 55.0white South Africans into this country under refugee status because they are being discriminated against.

[Buck Sexton]

This country is so unsafe that they don't make women stop at red lights after dark in many parts of the country. I mean, think about how unfortunate that is. Any country where you just say, and everybody just kind of accepts it, hey, if you're driving at night and you're a woman, you don't have to stop at a red light. Is a country that has been completely taken over by criminal elements. And it's unfortunate that that has occurred. And, you know, I know when they had the World cup, the amount of security that was required for the teams was off the charts. They basically put all of the different teams at the World cup that South Africa hosted behind prison, you know, walls almost in many ways to keep them from being able to even go out in many parts of the country because they were so concerned about the safety of the players from all the different countries. That's a sign, obviously, that, that things have fallen apart. And I think it's gotten worse there in terms of safety for all people since. And it is unfortunate. And the fact that you would make that the. The focal point, again, the point is none of the successes get talked about and anything that they can put in a negative light becomes a huge part of the focus.

[Clay Travis]

Here's how this, this issue is covered, for example, at the New York Times. I want you to. I'm going to read this so you know. Exactly. And this was. Let me see. Yeah, this is about a year or two ago. New York Times. Kill the boar. Boar is a reference to white South Africans. Kill the boar. Song fuels Backlash in South Africa and US Right wing commenters claim that an old apartheid chant is a call to anti white violence. But historians and the left wing politicians who embrace it say don't take it literally. They have songs in stadiums about killing the white people in their country, and they're allowed to chant and sing this. And the New York Times is like, hold on, everybody. Maybe we just shouldn't take it literally. And given what's going on in the country, it's not like everyone's getting along great and the country's functioning really well, and yet they will take that position on this. I just think what you see here is that we have the left in this country has decided that our immigration policy is first and foremost about taking people from the impoverished third world nations that are non white. And that is actually the focus of our immigration, because Otherwise, why do 50 migrants. 50 migrants is. I saw 300 migrants coming into the US at one time across the border. 50 migrants.

[Buck Sexton]

We took 10 million illegals in four years. So, yeah, it's kind of amazing what the focal point is. And that's now been stopped. And so this becomes a story.

[Clay Travis]

CLAY Stephen Miller makes the case here for why taking some refugees from South Africa actually fits the definition of what a refugee is. Unlike what's been going on at Our Southern Border play 13, what's happening in.

[Buck Sexton]

South Africa fits the textbook definition of why the refugee program was created. This is persecution based on a protected characteristic, in this case, race. This is race based persecution.

[Clay Travis]

Refugee program is not intended as a.

[Buck Sexton]

Solution for global poverty. And historically it has been used that way wherever there's global poverty or wherever there's dysfunctional governments. Then the U.S. refugee program comes in.

[Clay Travis]

Sweeps people up, relocates them to America.

[Buck Sexton]

And you have multi generational problems even.

[Clay Travis]

Into the second and third generation.

[Buck Sexton]

You have endemic poverty, you have crime issues, you have integration issues. The U.S. refugee program in America has been a catastrophic failure. I mean, if you look, for example, at the Twin Cities area, just in.

[Clay Travis]

Terms of markers of educational outcomes, in.

[Buck Sexton]

Terms of public safety, in terms of welfare use, it's been a complete public policy failure. And so this is an example of.

[Clay Travis]

The President returning the refugee program to.

[Buck Sexton]

What it was intended to be used as.

[Clay Travis]

A refugee program that takes in refugees, as in people who need refuge in your country because they are under threat because of who they are. They can't change. There's nothing they can do. It's either their skin color or their religion or their political party. This is what a refugee program actually is. Clay yeah, people Show, I mean, Clay, I saw this. They show up at the border, they have these wristbands on, you can see piles and piles. And border patrol has all this, you know, photos and footage of this, of the wristbands to show, oh, I've paid off the cartel. Don't worry. The cartel's already got their human trafficking money from me. Tom Homan talks about the horrible stuff that goes on at our southern border too, because of the cartels and with like young girls and women. It's absolutely horrific and it's systematic and that's been, you know, the sex crimes and against very young girls. The cartels do this and there's no accountability on that side of the border and they're not going to get caught. All this horrible stuff that's going on and Biden doesn't do, it's not even didn't lift a finger to stop it. That was the decision they made. That was the price of doing business for the Biden border policy was all the horrible stuff and the murderers who came into this country and all this. But 50 white South Africans who are like, you know, my country doesn't really want me anymore and treats me terribly because of I can't do anything about it. It's because I am white. I was born this way. And the media clearly has a problem with it and people at the Episcopal Church has a problem with it. I mean, that was a real shock. And I would just say this though, as a South Florida guy now, people who have been welcomed lawfully into America by the American community, who have fled tyranny, in the case of South Florida, it's fled Castro's communism and you know, people who fled the Khmer Rouge and Pol Pot in Cambodia, people who I believe now are going to be fleeing the race based targeting that goes on in South Africa, they make great Americans because they really true of a lot of people from the former Soviet Union too. They see what can go wrong in a country that does not have freedom, that does not treat people equally based on, you know, the same, irrespective of skin color, irrespective of religion. They really appreciate this place. And that's what we want from a refugee program. We don't want people who are like, I can make more money here and send remittances back home and I'm not going to learn the language. And America owes this to me because this is what people tell me at the border, that's what we don't want.

[Buck Sexton]

By the way, Greg in South Dakota says a lot of the People farming around him are South African, too. I think he wants to weigh in and tell us a little bit of his story as well. Greg, what have you got for us? What is your experience?

[Clay Travis]

I farm in South Dakota and we hire a custom harvester out of Minnesota, and he brings in every year 80 to 100 South Africans on that. I don't. Is it H.G. 1 whatever that.

[Buck Sexton]

H.B. 1, whatever the.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, yeah. Well, anyway, visiting with those guys back in 2016, they were. They were such pro Trump people when he got elected, and they told the horror stories about it. That one guy has had a friend who. They went out to his friend's farm, they took him and his wife and his two daughters captive. They. They cut both arms and both legs off of him, and what made him watch him die while they raped his wife and his daughters. And they talked about these things going on, horrendous things that you just can't comprehend being here where we're at. Yet these people, I have never come across people who are so appreciative of what you do for them. They're such Christian young men. They can make more in the United States working here in one month than they can a full year back in South Africa. And they send their money back. That's what it's. That's what they're here for. And this morning, when I heard President Trump on the TV at the White House talking about it, I called two or three of them this morning again and visited with them, and they're here right now. And one guy left his wife and two daughters. This is the fifth year he's been here. And my son said to him, last year, the crew. And we always meet every morning, and when the day was, when the harvest was over, we said to the one guy that said, you just. You just don't know how much we appreciate you, young man. And they said, I said, to come halfway around the world, you don't know what you're coming to. And the young guy said to us, he goes, sir, we have to come halfway around the world to be appreciated. I did not know how to respond to that. I just. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Thank you, Greg.

[Buck Sexton]

Thank you.

[Clay Travis]

Thank you for call Perspective as well. You know, for those of you who are curious, there's a. There's a documentary now. This is about Zimbabwe, not South Africa, but there was. There has been a similar redistribution program of the land in effect there, and a lot of pressures on it. And it's called Mugabe and the White African. It's a documentary you know, PBS has it. It was Clay. It was. Have you ever seen this? It was filmed. Filmed clandestinely. So it's. It's all. It's real footage. And it's a white farmer in Zimbabwe next door, under Mugabe, dealing with the land redistribution program, which the world says, oh, but that's only fair because there's so many more black people than white people in Zimbabwe. And so, yeah, what it means is that government thugs show up and, like, threaten to kill you and rape your wife unless you hand over your land. That's actually what it means. And that's state policy. And that was next door. It hasn't gotten, you know, it hasn't gotten the attention that you would think it would. And I think it's because so many in this country have adopted this narrative that racism can't be against white people. And that's really what this all comes down to. And of course it can. Racism can be against any person based on their race.

[Buck Sexton]

And by the way, I do know the economic result of that in Zimbabwe was the entire economy in the country collapsed because some of the most productive parts of Zimbabwe were agricultural. And it probably won't surprise you that when the government got involved and took over the land, the actual success of the farming industry collapsed. So it wasn't just you were taking the land. It was you were destroying the jobs created by the land that was helping to feed the people of Zimbabwe.

[Clay Travis]

And what. And what you. By the way, Zimbabwe, I mean, Mugabe and the. And the White African is a fantastic documentary, and it did not get as much attention in this country as it should. By the way, anyone who watches it, it is very powerful. It is very well done, and it is haunting. And, you know, I think in the end, he testifies at the Hague. Anyway, I don't want to, like, give away stuff, but you should watch it. And if you want to know kind of what happens in some of these places where they don't adhere to the principle that all men are created equal, you can see exactly what goes on. It is really, really good documentary. So I would just. I would recommend that to you. But, Clay, to your point, Zimbabwe was. Was considered the breadbasket of Africa.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

And then it turned into a place with hyperinflation and can't feed itself. And something else you see in the documentary that you will not hear talked about in the Western media is these. These white farmers in Zimbabwe, this family that's been there for, like, six generations. Ok. It's not like they're, you know, they just Showed up yesterday. This, this family of farmers, they have like a hundred black people who live with them, work with them, they're close with on the successful farm, who rely on the farm for their families. They're getting paid and they're a part of this. And it goes well. And then guess what happens when the land redistribution happens. Government thugs show up, they say, this is our land now. They sell off all the farm equipment. They sell off everything. They burn the house down. And now no one has a job and no one has food. And that is what happened in that country on scale, or rather in scale en masse. And it's worth, it's worth noting for those of you who want to see this. I'm telling you, it's a really good documentary.

[Buck Sexton]

This is a Clay and Buck deep dive podcast.

[Clay Travis]

But, Clay, we now have to address something, and it is not something that I ever thought would come up in quite this way. The Democrats are just furious about America's warm embrace of African migrants into our great nation. They all of a sudden have a problem with, I thought we were a nation of immigrants. I thought that everything was supposed to be this way, where we just bring in people from wherever. Or in fact, they thought it was supposed to be that people could just choose to come, they could break our laws, they could just show up. We all know what's going on here. And it's very interesting because they're quite upset by the situation. And it's because I think it shows a lot of the rot, the moral and intellectual rot that has completely overtaken the Democrat Party and the left, and specifically on issues relating to not just immigration, but race. And this is shown by the fact that they are so upset over 50 white migrants showing up from South Africa. And the reason is that they're showing up because the government of South Africa, which is now is black, I mean, over. It's. Everyone who runs the country essentially is black, is being racist to their white minority. And this is something that's very hard for the Democrat mind to accept or comprehend. How is it possible, we have trained and told everybody for so many years, Clay, that white people are the bad people whenever it comes to race relations, that any injustice that occurs in the realm of race must be white people doing it to somebody else. And this is where this whole thing has turned into something of a farce because Democrats suddenly find themselves upset about this. Scott Jennings, who does, as we know, great work on cnn, he pointed this out last night on CNN when they had a panel on this, this cut 19 listen in. I do think it's not alleged discrimination that these people are facing in South Africa. I mean, the law there absolutely allows their property to be confiscated. They are subject to racial discrimination. Some have been subject to violence. From some reports that I have read, I mean, we're talking about 50 something people. And the people who seem to be angriest about this today had no problem with 20 million coming here, some of.

[Buck Sexton]

The worst people in the world coming.

[Clay Travis]

Here, including gang members and so on and so forth. So I don't have a lot of sympathy for the folks who are outraged today after what happened to this country over the last several years, over 50 something people who are clearly being discriminated against in South Africa. Clay. I mean, if you asked the average MSNBC guest or CNN host, who would you rather have Here, an illegal MS.13 gang member or a legal immigrant from South Africa fleeing oppression who happens to be white? I think we all know the answer.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, it's not a difficult call. And to me, this is emblematic of one of the major structural issues that the Democrat Party has. They're racist against white people now as a huge part of their base. They're also anti Semitic as a huge part of their base. And this identity politics coalition that we all were told they had built during Obama's presidency. You talked about how Obama did not have any sort of substantial sort of glow. He didn't have any ability to transcend or bring his popularity to other people. Right. His coattails did not actually drag very many other people into office. In fact, the reality was things went worse for Democrats. But look at what they've done since, because this is the natural result of this. They ran Hillary Clinton in 2016, and what did they argue? It's her time. It's time for a woman to be president. They tried to identity politics coalition Hillary into the White House. Then they actually went back completely on it and went with Joe Biden, the oldest Whitestone, as we just said, least mentally and physically competent president that we've probably ever had in any of our lives. And they dragged him across the finish line because, Buck, I think they got lucky with COVID happening, which allowed them to hide him in the basement. Otherwise Trump would have won comfortably in 2020. And then in 2024, what did they do? They went back to the identity politics coalition and they got stomped. And they cannot escape it. Now. They have unleashed the crazy inside of their party. And the crazy is of the opinion that white men were and are the root evil of society. And then of course, it's expanded to Hispanic men and Asian men and black men because all of masculinity is now toxic. And they do not have anyone. They don't have anyone. This, this is where I, I, I, I come back to again, who is a normal dude in the Democrat Party who is just a guy that you would like to have a beer with that has in any way a prominent voice in the Democrat Party. To me, this is all connected to the problem they had. They recognized the issue. They tried to bring in a guy like Tim Walls, but they are hemorrhaging support from normal men all over the country. And I think a lot of normal women have followed them too. But this is profoundly a rebellion from the Democrat Party being led by men such that. Remember, Buck, they had Obama try to lecture black men for not showing up and supporting Kamala enough. Remember that? Right in the tail end of the campaign, they had Obama. Their big strategy on how to turn out black men was to have Obama tell all black men out there, hey, you're being a little bit sexist because you're not supporting, you're not supporting Kamala enough. All of this, I think, is blowing up in their faces. And I think when you see a story like this out of South Africa, it is evidence. And I sent to Greg. We'll see when this clip comes in. But on interviews, leaders in South Africa are basically saying, hey, we need to kill more white people in the country.

[Clay Travis]

Well, there's, you're talking, there's a, there's a song that goes back to the days of apartheid. And it was, It's. They talk about killing the boar, which is a reference to the Dutch ancestry, Afrikaner farmers. And look, there was a repulsive and immoral system of apartheid in South Africa. And when it was then removed, they unfortunately replaced it with something that it could have been a rule of law, everyone is treated equal, Democracy. But what they replaced it with was a racial entitlement state. So certainly not as bad as apartheid was, but still bad. I mean, they've still got big. You know, you still have rules that disenfranchise the 7%. You know, it's a small, pretty small minority of the country, but the 7% of the country that is white, explicitly so. And the country is having huge problems. I mean, if you look at the economy, crime, I mean, all of the issues of governance for Certainly the last 30 years or so that you could measure in South Africa, the place is a mess, and they've got rolling blackouts. They literally can't keep the lights on in this country. And this was not something that had existed previously. So they've got a lot of challenges, a lot of problems. But bring it back here for a second. Why? You know, first of all, as you've pointed out, you know, Disney like freaks out and doesn't want to have the baseball game in Georgia or something. What was it again?

[Buck Sexton]

Over the Atlanta, over the new Georgia voting bill, which actually has increased, increased the number of people that are out in their vote. But yeah, they pulled the all star game out of Atlanta.

[Clay Travis]

So the hint of the smallest injustice in this country that affects people that the left cares about is a national crisis. But an open policy of racial discrimination, which is what it is in South Africa, we should be opposed in principle, because it is based in principle against racial discrimination anywhere in any form. We just had to have a reckoning with this in our own country where the affirmative action policies that had been in place were racist. They were wrong, they were unconstitutional. Supreme Court finally has started to write that wrong. And Clay, the Democrats, though, they're so upset. I actually watched this MSNBC panel this morning on this. Here is, this is 21. They're angry that we took 50 South African migrants. They really, this is a big problem for them. Play 21. So deeply and morally wrong headed and repulsive. These are the descendants of the people who created the most diabolical system of white supremacy in human history, apartheid. This is a modern replacement theory in a country where, by the way, white people make up 7% of the population and own 78% of the farmland. So actually there's no injustice here. It's taking places away from refugees who are really being crushed by authoritarian governments for these folks who have never had anything happen to them. And Trump amazingly called it a genocide. One of the worst lies I've ever heard him say. There's just been a small handful of farmers that have been killed over the past 10 years. No land has actually been expropriated. It's just a farce and a sham and a moral ugliness. It's not a small handful of people that have been killed. Start with that. Okay, but beyond that, Clay, so what do they want to have happen here? Because what they did in Zimbabwe, and this is why I brought it up yesterday, was land expropriation. It was ok, too many white people here own land. We're taking it and we're giving it. And that's why I brought up that documentary Mugabe and the White African. And we're giving it to the people you know what happened? The country started to basically starve. Yes. I don't think they really want to go down that route in South Africa, but they don't want to say that because they don't want to actually have to face the realities of the system that they are presiding over.

[Buck Sexton]

Listen to this. This is from June of 2018, but I wanted to play it. This is Julius Malema. He's a leader of the Economic Freedom Fighters. In an interview, he says, we're not calling right now for the killing of white people. This is the kind of environment that exists. This is a media interview. Cut 37.

[Clay Travis]

I don't know what's going to happen in the future. I'm saying to you, we've not called for the killing of white people, at least for now. I can't guarantee the future. Yeah, but I mean, you'd understand somebody watching that, especially as it gets shared on Twitter. They freak out. It sounds like a genocidal crybabies, crybaby. I'm not calling for the slaughter of.

[Buck Sexton]

White people, at least for now.

[Clay Travis]

I can't give you a guarantee of the future, especially when things are going the way they are. Subtext. Especially things. If things are going the way they are, there will be a revolution in this country. I can tell you now.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm not calling for the execution of white people right now.

[Clay Travis]

And he doubles down on it. He's very clear. He's like, yeah, that's what I'm saying. He's like, don't be a bad. That's what I'm saying.

[Buck Sexton]

Not misspeaking. If you have an issue with that, you're a crybaby, that is.

[Clay Travis]

And then there's also the. The singing. I meant to get to this, but I got diverted. The singing of the song Shoot the Boar, you know, Shoot the Farmer, which has been. There's video of that which has circulated from. I mean, it's a stadium full of people. It's like, let's say, I don't know, 40,000 people or something who are all singing shoot the white people. And this is from the head of a political party. Right. So, you know, if the head of the Libertarian Party in this country was having. I'm just picking a random party. But, you know, if the head of any party in this country was having rallies where they're saying, we're not calling for the execution of our fellow citizens yet, or cheering and chanting about it, I think people would have a problem with that. But you see, Democrats always have to pretend. They have to pretend to be the heroes in the civil rights struggles that they had nothing to do with. And so whenever you bring up South Africa, all they want to talk about is South Africa from 40, 50, 60 years ago. Yeah, they don't want to talk about South Africa today, which is the problem.

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

Buck Deep Dive podcast. I want you to listen to how crazy the answer is here from this woman who he's debating. She says, well, if they're not happy in South Africa, they should just go back to the country that they came from hundreds of years ago. Because I think this gets into a really interesting question. At what point are you A native of where you actually live. I would argue it's way less than hundreds of years ago. But listen to this discussion. She says if they're not happy, they should just go back to Germany or Holland or wherever.

[Clay Travis]

Listen, 35, 30 plus years ago, they went through a revolution. The apartheid system ended and they reformed their constitution under the great leader of Nelson Mandela. And that allowed for a racial reconciliation, one that this country has yet to do. But South Africa did it and they reformed their constitution. And part of that is that the people who are native to that land deserve their rightful land back. That is not what the Afrikaners actually want to have happen, which are the white Africans and so who are not originally from Africa, who colonize South Africa also. And so that is what they are saying is discrimination. Now if the constitution in South Africa is discriminatory, they have their checks and imbalances in that land just like we do. And that is for them to. So if the Africana don't actually like the land, they can leave that country. They are. They're leaving to come. No, these refugees are coming here. They can actually leave and go to where their native land is, which is probably Germany. Are you against them coming here? Holland? Holland, Are you against them coming here? I'm against the hypocrisy of this administration.

[Buck Sexton]

I think we could have a big discussion how I have to be careful not to curse sometimes. I listen to some of these clips. Go back to their native land. Like if you say that in the United States about somebody who's been here like 10 years, you are a crazy racist. Right? Go back to where you came from.

[Clay Travis]

10 minutes. If you're a friend of Aragua gang banger who lies to immigration authorities, sneaks into the countries, you can beat your wife in human traffic. The libs are like, he's as American as Thomas Jefferson.

[Buck Sexton]

How wild is this? They want them to go back to Germany and Holland from were they hundreds of years ago, they would not. Analyzers.

[Clay Travis]

There's a million ways to analyze this. Whatever anti whiteness was made fashionable in the Democrat party, it was mandatory belief in the Democrat party. And people say, what about all the white people vote Democrat? Yeah, they're collaborators with the ideology. They think that they're above it and better than the other white people that have to be constantly maligned and undermined.

[Buck Sexton]

Fair question, because I do think this is interesting. How long do you have to live somewhere to be considered a native?

[Clay Travis]

I think if your people have been somewhere for. I'm trying to do the math. In my head 350 some odd years. Because the Dutch East India Company landed in South Africa, by the way. They built the country too. There was no country. Of course, there were warring African tribes. The Zulu tribe was a conquering tribe that came 150 years after the Dutch arrived there. But no one knows history. So, you know, whatever. It's like, oh, why don't we give the, give all of our land back to the Iroquois? How about no, yeah, the white South Africans should go back to where they came from in the 1650s.

[Buck Sexton]

Like, what is that, hundreds of years ago? This is like me or you being like, you should just go back to Ireland or England. Like, what, I've been here for hundreds of years.

[Clay Travis]

It's, it's remarkable. And I mean, just imagine if you applied that to other people and their race, for example, in this country. Like, go back. If you said, if you said to anybody, go back to where you came from in America and they were non white. It's a, it's a huge, huge scandal. But here we are on TV as CNN commentators. Like, they could go back to, I don't know, I don't think the South Africans have spent a lot of time in Germany that she's referring to.

[Buck Sexton]

But go back to Germany and then somebody else interjects Holland, you know, like, oh, that makes it easier. These people have been in South Africa for hundreds of years.

[Clay Travis]

Well, this is an easy talk back. We like this one. A Jerome from Des Moines. Clay and Buck, you guys are awesome. Thanks for everything. Short and sweet, man. Thank you. You know, just a little pick me up there. I appreciate that. Thank you, Jerome. So let's get back into this South Africa conversation here for a second because I thought this was also really interesting. MSNBC's Yamiche Alcindor, who is very upset. This is 22. The notion that South Africans, these, you know, Afrikaner, white South Africans can assimilate well, play 22. So the Trump administration, they're saying that essentially these white South Africans assimilate better and they're also not as much of a security risk. That's really causing a lot of people.

[Buck Sexton]

To be appalled, frankly. And I also should tell people that this violence that they're talking about that.

[Clay Travis]

Are dealing with these Afrikaners. I've been hearing from people that say there is violence in South Africa, but.

[Buck Sexton]

It'S affecting everybody of every single race.

[Clay Travis]

I mean, that's a non sequitur at the end. But let me just throw this out there, Clay. Our whole immigration system is based on we pick people for things that we think are worthy to pick and that will be good. So things like being able to speak English matters.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes.

[Clay Travis]

Things like do you have cultural or familial ties into this country already matters. And bringing in third worlders who can't speak English, with no education in any language whatsoever, whose first act on US Soil is illegal, and then they immediately want their welfare, which is what Biden did for four years. And it's happened a lot before then, too. That's actually not what our immigration system is supposed to be. Assimilation is supposed to happen.

[Buck Sexton]

We just had the NBA draft yesterday and this is the argument writ large that I would support on immigration. We should be taking the most skilled practitioners of all different sorts of disciplines from all over the world and bringing them here and allowing our setup, our foundational legal systems to let those people have more success than they would otherwise be able to have in their native country. I don't think we should be bringing in people that are not highly skilled. This is my argument for legal immigration and it's the opposite of what was happening there. And what the Trump team, to my knowledge has argued is these are highly educated English speaking individuals who will be immediately able to go to work and provide tax paying support in the United States. And I think most of you out there, regardless of where we're bringing people in, would I like to bring in more doctors? Yes, I think we could use more highly skilled, highly trained doctors from other parts of the country. But I like engineers. Would I like incredibly talented software engineers? Would I like all of the best experts in so many different fields of medicine and beyond from other parts of the world to be able to come here and found new companies and be more successful? Yes. That is the, the first round draft pick analogy of the American immigration system, which we need more of and less focus on unskilled immigrants.

[Clay Travis]

I mean, one thing, you know, I, in my forthcoming book, which will be out, it looks like January of next year, one of the chapters Clay, I get into is on the immigration issue. And I just talk about being at the US Mexico border, specifically in the San Diego sector. And you sit there and you're looking and you go, there's, there's the reality on one side of the border, the reality on the other side of the border, and there's a fence and you can see it in real time. And you go, on one side of this fence is chaos, disorder, crime, you know, all kinds of problems on the other side, it's like a beautiful national. It's like A beautiful state park and, you know, $10 million homes down the beach. It's the same beach. The difference is the people there and the political system that they have created. Right. This is. We have to get back down to a very, very basic understanding of reality here and VIP email from Ron, which I think is excellent. He says this woman, meaning the CNN commentator, has no clue what she's talking about. When the Dutch came to South Africa, there were no natives. There were no native tribes. The Zulus, which I said this, were much further north. The other tribe in the area were the Bantu, who were with a wandering people. They were not settled. They did not have cities, they did not have towns. They were essentially herdsmen on the move. I added that part. But that's what he's saying. South Africa was empty. There were no settlements. The Dutch made South Africa and settled where there weren't actually people. The Afrikaners are the original natives in that sense. Even the Zulus weren't organized as a power yet. So the landmass of Africa we are to believe inherently belongs to people. The entire landmass of, you know, darker skin. Because. And what's fascinating about this, you say, ok, well you're going to have to explain that to the whole northern African contingent that are Arab Muslims that came as part of waves of conquest. By the way, like we could play this game all day.

[Buck Sexton]

How long do you have to be somewhere to be considered a native? Is a really difficult question for people who want to argue against argue colonies and colonizers. Let me just point this out. If you believe human migration patterns and the existence of humanity, we all in some way are native to Africa. So all these individuals would be is doing a return to their ancestral homeland when they came from Holland or wherever in Europe back to Africa.

[Clay Travis]

Let me ask you a fun one. Are the Palestinians native to Palestine? No, they are not. Not under these rules. First of all, there is no Palestine. But put that aside, were they in the region? No, they absolutely were not in the region. It was Greek settlement and then it was and Jewish. But I'm just saying, I mean the Mediterranean basin, ancient Greece and Jews and Phoenicians and guess what? They were Arab invaders who showed up and were brought Islam and decided, hey, we're going to replace the holiness in this city with our own stuff. So are they, are they original? No, they're not actually.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, it's just a very been around.

[Clay Travis]

Since the seventh century. Man, they're late to the game. But yet it's their land.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, it's just so arbitrary. Right. Like when you are going to decide when is a land claim valid and when is it not valid. Right. And historically, everyone is from Africa. Right. So all you're doing when you are coming to South Africa is returning to your ancestral homeland. Now, look, this is also absurd because if you say like, you're a native New Yorker, everybody's like, okay, yeah, your life, you have spent in New York. I'm a native Tennessee and I've spent most of my life in, in Tennessee. Nobody would argue it, but our lives are relatively short periods.

[Clay Travis]

But this is why you get into how arbitrary this whole thing is. I'd also just point out that, I mean, you look at something like the U.S. the U.S. you know, expansion into the west and the birth of Texas and you know, who was fighting with us against bands of Comanche raiders, for example, other native tribes that they had dispossessed from their land and in some cases, murdered, mutilated and enslaved. Yeah, that's right. They were all fighting each other here and they built no cities and they had no written language. And some of them were so ticked off at the others that they joined the white guys to hunt down their hated enemies because they stole their land.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, research on the French and Indian War, like they allied with the French to kill a lot of us. Right? I mean, but historically, yes. Your point is there were many different native tribes that have been fighting for generations. We got here. America is, is thankfully the greatest country that's ever existed in the history of the world. But it is funny to me that, oh, you can tell the South African white people go back to your country on CNN and they've been there hundreds of years.

[Clay Travis]

But this fundamentally, this is just exposing the anti whiteness that is a central organizing belief of the American left and the Democrat party. We've all done it. You see a headline but don't have time to read the whole story or there's so much news you're not sure what is worth your time.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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