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Greg
Clay Travis with the Clay and Buck show.
Rush Limbaugh
Wishing you and your family a very.
Ally
Merry Christmas and a happy New Year.
Greg
Buck Sexton here. The entire Clay and Buck show wish.
Rush Limbaugh
You and your family a warm Christmas.
Greg
Season and a joyful new year.
Ally
Welcome to a special Christmas Eve after hours with producer Ally and producer Greg.
Greg
Merry Christmas.
Ally
Merry Christmas. We're going to be out for a couple weeks.
Greg
Oh, a few days, you know, the holiday season between the Christmas season. I should say between Christmas and New Year.
Ally
So, yeah, Greg, one of the questions we get asked a lot is how do we select the guest hosts to fill in when Clay and Buck are out?
Greg
Read my mind. I was going to ask you that question. Actually.
Ally
We have a lot of friends of the show that are regulars that have filled in that supported us for a long time. We also like to try out new people. David Rutherford, who's in our Play and Buck podcast network, the Rut, he's going to be debuting his first time guest host and we wanted to give him that opportunity, that platform.
Greg
That's exciting. I like David's show.
Ally
Yeah, he's great. So that's gonna be on Friday the.
Greg
26Th, the day after Christmas.
Ally
The day after Christmas. On Monday and Tuesday, we had a Rush Limbaugh alumni, Brett Winterbol in the seat.
Greg
Well, yeah, welcome back, Brett. I mean, it's, it's. I'm sitting in his seat. He was the call screener for so long before sturdily even.
Ally
Yes, he was a longtime EIB employee. He is hosting his own show. Has been for a while.
Greg
He's filled in for Clay and Buck on more than one.
Ally
Yes, he has. He has. He's great.
Greg
He is.
Ally
And he has really cute cats. Just throw that in there. And then going into New Year's week, we have John Cobalt of kfi Tuesday, we have Tudor Tuesday, Tudor Dixon on Tuesday. And then New Year's Eve, Brian Mudd, who is a fan favorite of the show. We are going to have him behind the reins. And then Friday, the first show of the new year, Brian Mudd will join us again. And I'll be producing him that day.
Greg
And I'll be producing Tudor and John.
Ally
And, and Brian as well.
Greg
Brian, those other days leading up to.
Ally
New Year, and Mark is going to be producing the week before that. So we kind of, we divvy it all up on the team. Who's going to be supporting who during the holidays?
Greg
Yeah, it's going to be good. And, you know, again, if you have not heard any of these folks, if you don't live in the Los Angeles area or you're not familiar with Tudor's podcast or David's podcast, check them out. Or you don't live in North Carolina and listen to Brett, check them out.
Ally
We have a great roster of guest hosts, and we're super excited to give them that opportunity and also give Clay and Buck a break. I mean, I know the joke is Clay Orbach, because people have said, oh, they're always taking off, which is actually not true when you consider how much vacation time they do have and don't use. It's really, it's very important to us to give our hosts a break and let them spend time with family so that we're all coming back to the new year refresh. I will say, though, we will be in constant contact throughout the two weeks. The show prep never stops.
Greg
No, and it's a good thing for them to do, too, because this has been a busy year. Trump's first year back in office has been a whirlwind, nonstop. I mean, these three hour long meetings with the Cabinet and these press conferences that go on forever, and we're turning into 2026, which is going to be the midterm year, and all of the stuff leading up to that, it's a heck of a year that we've had and a heck of a year that we're coming into.
Ally
So that's a really good point, because this news cycle under Trump has been insane. And it's such a dramatic change from the Biden news cycle in terms of him being transparent and giving media opportunities and speaking to the press. There's news happening every day in this administration, so our job is to stay on top of that. And Greg, Mark and I are. Oh, my God, Trump's speaking live now. Oh, this is happening over here. Oh, wait, Trump's still speaking. It's an hour later. Have you been taking notes? Oh, my gosh.
Greg
I am probably the only person who kind of misses the slow days of sleepy Joe presidency. I know.
Ally
I never thought I'd say that.
Greg
You know, it's. There were days where it was like, okay, there's nothing going on. So I, you know, it will take it a little bit easy. But I haven't there's not been an opportunity to do that since January 20th at all.
Ally
Yeah. It has really been full steam ahead and it's not going to slow down.
Greg
No. So it's going to keep on going.
Ally
Buckle up for 26.
Greg
Buckle up. I love it.
Ally
All right, so those are your guest hosts that you will have for these two weeks. And it's also important to us to keep bringing you content that is timely and newsy. And we don't want to ever just have a string of best of shows during the holidays. So it's very important that we have these guest hosts. We only have three best of shows airing on Christmas Eve, Christmas morning, and then New Year's Day. And people asked us, well, how do you decide what is a best of show?
Greg
That's an excellent question. How do we decide what's a best of show?
Ally
Ally I tend to while the course of just doing the regular show, there will be moments where I'll hear a segment or I'll hear a guest and I'll say, oh, this is a really good evergreen topic. It could be aired at any time. It's not necessarily time sensitive. So it would make sense at any time to replay it and revisit it. And for example, we had a great guest a few weeks ago, Jonathan Alpert, the psychologist digging into tds.
Greg
Absolutely.
Ally
Really interesting conversations. So I thought, you know what, I'm going to file that away into the best of folder on our Google Docs.
Rush Limbaugh
That's good.
Greg
It's tough sometimes too because a lot of the stuff that we have that is not necessarily timely can sometimes be part of the lighter fare. And we actually have a place for that on the weekends with the sun to hang. So a lot of that lighter fare ends up going there. So finding that sweet spot between the stuff that's going to last and is not necessarily news related and timely versus, you know, not making it too light is a tough.
Ally
It is a delicate balance. It's definitely a delicate balance that we walk because at the same time, sometimes Clay and Buck will go off roading and they may take an unexpected turn and start talking about R and B music.
Greg
Right, Exactly.
Ally
And we on the show try to have a balance between heavy news and then a little bit of lighter because otherwise we don't want the whole show to be doom and gloom.
Greg
Right.
Ally
We want to have balance and we also want to make people laugh.
Greg
Yeah. It's a whole package that we're trying to give. It's a little bit of everything and you know, we don't always get it right. When I say we, I mean like we as the team.
Ally
So, Greg, one of the lighter topics that came up recently was over wrapping paper. And I have to say I completely disagreed with Clay and Buck on this one. And I have to say my piece on this.
Greg
Okay, so to set this up, we were so. I don't even remember how it came up. You probably know better because you are the wrapping paper maven. It ended up that Clay and Buck started opining about the necessity. About the necessity of whether he should be buying his wife Carrie a separate gift for Christmas and her birthday and whether they should be on top of that, whether they should be wrapped in separate kinds of paper.
Ally
I was like, bug, just listen to me as a woman. Any woman who will say, oh, I don't care. And you know, they may not care per se, but it's the thought, it is the effort that goes into considering someone.
Greg
Absolutely. I think Buck took the position that I think most guys would be most. Most guys. Standard preset position. I'll, I'll say, you know, not everybody, obviously. I, you know, there's millions of us, but I think most guys would be like, it's paper, you know, whatever, who cares? But the funny thing about it is, when it came, when we were discussing it, all of us in the New York studio, producer Mike Ali, myself, we all said to Buck, no, you're wrong. You need to have a separate present and it needs to be in different.
Ally
Yeah, that's right. And it's, I mean, it did initially start as a conversation about gifts, and then it turned into, well, I don't even like wrapping gifts. I don't even like wrapping paper. And I'm like, are you kidding? That is like my love language. Not only do I love giving gifts, but I also love wrapping them. I enjoy that. I will go out and look for the perfect wrapping paper. This blew Clay and Buck's mind. They could not believe that I cared so much about wrapping paper. So over the weekend, I was sending them pictures from all the different stores I was in, looking for this coveted wrapping paper. And Buck, he was like, oh, my God, you really are serious about this. Yes. And not only did I find like the perfect wrapping paper, it was two sided.
Greg
I like the kind of wrapping paper that has the grid on the inside that helps you cut that line, that you can line it up so, you know, you can cut a straight.
Ally
Oh, so you're very precise.
Greg
Yeah, I like. Because otherwise mine ends up coming out, like, looking like a guy wrapping.
Ally
Okay, so I will admit, as much as I love giving gifts and wrapping them, I am a guy when it comes to wrapping them. I. I just tape them, whatever. I don't have the patience for the actual wrapping and bows and all that, but I do love nice wrapping paper. But Buck's beef with wrapping paper was about, well, what's the difference between Christmas and birthday? And I do think you should distinguish. And I think women do. We do love that thoughtfulness.
Greg
I think it's true. I think that. And that's why I think producer Mike and I both sided. Came down on that side, because we've both been married a long time, and we recognize that this is the sort of thing that is. You go the extra mile, you know, it's that extra piece of extra step that will make your wife smile. And I think that that's. That's what it comes.
Ally
Yeah. And it's interesting, too, from a psychological standpoint, because I think a lot of guys like to say when they're in the company of other guys, oh, my wife doesn't care about that. That kind of thing. Or my wife doesn't care. She's not really into gifts. Women. And it's. I'm not talking about, like, some pricey, expensive gifts. Women like the thought behind something. It just says, hey, I was thinking about you.
Greg
It's true. And I will say that I have received calls because I screen the calls that come in. I did get calls from women who said, it really doesn't mean anything to me. You know, that that's.
Rush Limbaugh
It's.
Greg
So. You know, yes, we are aware that you're out there. But on a whole overall, by and large, yes, it's. It's. Women do care about those little details. They care about the details a lot more than men do.
Ally
But to agree with Buck, if a woman was getting, like, he was a belt every Christmas, then that would be like, okay, you haven't put thought into this. So the women don't necessarily want pajamas every year or socks every year, because you're doing the. You're going through the motions of giving a gift. The idea of just thinking a little bit differently, a little more creatively, that women love that. Like, I know when. When my husband does little thoughtful things like that, I'm like, oh, my God, he really spent some time thinking about this.
Greg
Think about your mom. Think about your sister. Think about your grandmother. If you have aunts and uncles. Well, aunts, I suppose. Yeah. They. They really. I bet you if you ask them, they would agree with this kind of position. For the most part. And look, some guys really like that sort of thing too. Some guys and. But here it's personal for me in a way, because my aunt was not born on Christmas Day like Carrie, but she was born on Christmas Eve. And they. This is my mother's sister and they used to have a birthday party for her and they would not bring out any of the Christmas stuff until after the birthday was over, there was a birthday, and then came Christmas to make sure that there was a distinction.
Ally
Okay, I like that.
Greg
And it was important to her and it was important to the family.
Ally
Yeah, I like that. Well, guys, if you're looking for some sentimental gift ideas, one that is a sure winner that you can repeat every year, unlike re gifting a belt which Buck got from his dad every year for five years straight, is go into your phone and look in the past year at the photos you took with your significant other wife, family. Look at the photos and each month pick a photo that really kind of summarized that month or really celebrated that month. So say it was February and you went on an amazing ski trip or had a great dinner somewhere, Valentine's Day, anything. Take that photo and store it away in a folder and do this every month of the year. And then come around Thanksgiving time, take all those photos and make a calendar with them. And each month would be from that month the past year. I do that every year for my family, for my husband. And it's just, it's. It's the whole. It's like a year in review calendar.
Greg
And there are websites that. Or apps that can help you do that. That's. That's not hard to find.
Ally
Oh, so many of them and tons of them. So it's very easy to do and it's very sentimental.
Greg
It is. See, and I was going to be flip and say you were going to suggest getting them a copy of Balls or something, you know, and you could do that every year or every month of the year. That would certainly make Clay happy. Happy that. I know that.
Ally
Now, to switch gears a little bit, what are your feelings, Greg, about when people say they have a problem with people that wish you a Merry Christmas versus Happy Holidays? Do you say Merry Christmas to a perfect stranger? Do you take that risk of offending them?
Greg
Yes.
Ally
Okay.
Greg
Yes, I do.
Ally
Same here.
Greg
I do.
Ally
I just find it so interesting, the people that if you're sharing the joy of the season and you just say Merry Christmas, that they find that offensive and they don't know you.
Greg
Well, it's so funny too, because I have Been walking down the street or in a cafe or a restaurant, and somebody will say to me, happy Hanukkah. And to me, that tells me maybe they think I look Jewish, but I think more so that it's. They're bringing their background to this interaction that they're having. So, you know, I'm not Jewish, but I'm not offended by that. You know, I return the greeting, happy Hanukkah to you. I hope you have a good festival of lights and. And all of that. So I think some people just like to be outraged and like to be angry about certain things, and I think there are things to be angry about. There's plenty to be angry about. I think that there are some things that are really, you know, I think you're looking for a problem if you fall into that trap.
Ally
I would agree. I have members of my family, they celebrate Diwali and they say, happy Diwali. Happy Diwali. I have. I love when people share their.
Greg
Another festival of lights, too, by the way.
Ally
I love when people share. So I. I'm not one of those. I'm gonna just play it safe and say happy Holidays and be afraid of offending someone.
Greg
You know, I think that we went through that for a period of time as a. As a. As a. Overall, as a culture and as in the United States, and we. We tried that, and it was okay. That was fine for a while. But I think, you know, Trump started this, and it was in response to a lot of people saying, hey, we're tired of the Happy Holidays. We want to say Merry Christmas. And Trump said, we're bringing back, saying Merry Christmas. And I think that that is something that needs to be recognized, and it's okay. There's nothing wrong with it. You know, hey, look, you know, we tried this, and that's okay, but it was not. I think most of the people. We have to recognize that still a majority of people in this country are Judeo Christian and will recognize Christmas. And if they don't recognize Christmas, they're recognizing Hanukkah for the most part. You know, when I say majority, I mean, you know, well over 50%. So I think you're safe saying Merry Christmas. I don't think it's really.
Ally
I think it was on Libs of TikTok, I saw, you know, some lunatic leftists saying, when someone wishes you a Merry Christmas, what they're really saying is, their God is better than yours. I could. I'm not joking. I was like, you really have to.
Greg
Reach to get, like, some people Just want to be outraged. And they're going to find any reason to be outraged. And whether you say Happy Holidays or Merry Christmas or whatever, they're going to be outraged no matter what you say. Right. Oh, you're a, you know, X type of person and you shouldn't be saying any of that anyway. It's silly.
Ally
So on this after hours podcast, we thought we would dive into some Rush archives about this topic of Merry Christmas versus Happy Holidays. And we found something. Greg dug this up. He really had a shovel because he got this all the way back to 2006. We had a caller, Terrence, in Cambridge, Massachusetts, called. I don't even know. Was it open line Friday? I'm not sure, but Terrence called us on December 15, 2000, 2006, and Terrence was asking him this question about Merry Christmas and is it offensive? And so it's. I feel like this has been on the table for a very long time. Maybe social media has amplified the outrage, but I feel like this has been ongoing.
Greg
What was the date? December 15, 2006.
Ally
That's right.
Greg
That was open line Friday.
Ally
It was open line for this. You know what? This is an open line Friday call. It is very much so.
Rush Limbaugh
Out to the phones. This is Terrence in Cambridge, Massachusetts. Hello, sir.
Terrence (Caller)
Rush, I'm depressed. I have a problem. Yeah, I live in Cambridge. They do not like Christmas, and I'm surrounded by liberals. Their depression is really starting to affect my outlook on Christmas. I don't feel like I can get into it this year. It's so depressing. I get Happy Holidays, if that, wherever I go. I mean, I don't know how to respond to this. It gets to the point. I mean, I'm surrounded by liberals, and as we all know, there are.
Rush Limbaugh
Well, I know, but unless you're prepared to move, that is challenge you're going to have living where you live.
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Terrence (Caller)
I'm not prepared to move. I'm kind of stuck here.
Rush Limbaugh
But all right, then you need some therapy. And. And I'm going to give you one of the best pieces of advice I have ever given in my life. It's tough to do, but it's fun to try.
Greg
All right?
Rush Limbaugh
And it is. When you succeed, you won't succeed all the time at it, but when you succeed, you will feel liberated, like you can't believe. And it's very simple. You are allowing other people, many of whom you don't even know, to affect how you feel about yourself. You are giving so much power to a bunch of people that you have no respect for in the first place.
Greg
Right.
Rush Limbaugh
You have to learn, we all have to learn how to make our own selves happy by virtue of our own existence being things that we do, pursuing our passions. If you, if you need to get in the Christmas spirit to see a bunch of outside things like Christmas trees or have you have people say, merry Christmas out there, Terrence, great to see you, and that's not happening, then you're, you're not going to enjoy it. If you can get yourself out of the circumstance where you need that kind of feedback from people. I know community is a big part of Christmas. It really is. But you can make it what you want inside your own home with your family.
Terrence (Caller)
Right?
Rush Limbaugh
Well, I agree with. Look at liberals are depressing as all get out there. Never laugh, they're never happy.
Terrence (Caller)
I mean, even when I say Merry Christmas to someone, it's a startled look they get on their face and it's almost like an aggressive response like, oh, you know, Merry Christmas. You know what I mean? Like, they're angry about it.
Rush Limbaugh
You have offended them. You have offended them. See, they're also granting you way too much power. But what to affect the way they feel, the difference between you and them, and I'm dead serious about this, when you offend them, they will go and do whatever they have to, wherever, to make sure you don't say whatever you say to shut. To, to offend them. They want to shut you up. When they offend you, you call me. But you don't go to government. You're not trying to force your way on them like they are trying to force their way on you.
Rush Limbaugh (Closing Segment)
Right.
Rush Limbaugh
The reason you feel depressed is because they have systematically over the years done their best to take Christmas, the spirit and everything associated with it out of public life.
Terrence (Caller)
Well, I mean, you know what? I'm not going to stop saying Merry Christmas to anyone. In fact, I'm going to up the ante and continue to say it even.
Rush Limbaugh
More and smile when you do and be the nicest, most cheerful, joyful person in the world you can muster when you say. And just if they can't accept good cheers and you being nice, don't make it your problem.
Terrence (Caller)
Merry Christmas.
Rush Limbaugh
Same to you. They're telling you more about who they are than they are telling you who you are.
Ally
The part of this that I really liked is Rush saying, when people are unkind or mean or nasty, what they're really doing is telling you more about them than they are about you.
Greg
I've had a saying, and I Don't know if I actually heard it somewhere first, but that I say, and I believe it's 100% true. Some people are just not happy unless they're unhappy. Some people just want to be unhappy and they try and find ways to make themselves unhappy and then they share it to the world. So it's not really. And there's nothing you can do about that. Just avoid them as best you can.
Ally
Yep, that's great advice from El Rushbo. I wanted to end the show, end this after hours with a tradition he always had, which was playing Silent Night and just thanking the audience. It was always very special, always on Christmas Eve, which is why we're doing this podcast for that reason. And I decided, Greg, the one I wanted to pick was not the last one he did. I considered it. I went back and re listened. That was a really difficult one. The very last one he did. And I just. This year I was like, I want to go back and pick a different one. So I actually went way back to 2011. Oh, yes. And I picked one from then and I liked it because there was a little bit of humor at the end which I thought would give people a chuckle.
Greg
Oh, good.
Ally
And so we're gonna, we're gonna end the show with that.
Rush Limbaugh
It's a 20 plus year tradition on.
Rush Limbaugh (Closing Segment)
This program to wrap up our final program before Christmas with Mannheim Steamroller and Silent Night. I love the song, and if you've not heard it, you probably have by now. If you've not heard it, heard it off a cd, turned up loud as you can make it on a very good stereo system, you should. It is a beautiful, beautiful rendition of a great song. And this, the time of year, Thanksgiving is one thing. I happen to feel more sentimental and thankful for all of my blessings at Christmas time for some reason, when I try to take a moment to express it all to you. Something that I've realized over the years is that when I'm away over Christmas, I'm actually away from my family in a sense, because that's what you all are. Probably the largest extended family known to exist in the free world. And I'm never with you on holidays, except, of course, in my heart, you're always with me. And I don't know what I would do if you weren't there. I have people tell me still how much the program means to them and so forth, but whatever that is, it is small in comparison to what you all have meant to me and my family. It's indescribable what you have all meant. And I can't thank you enough. No matter what. It's a piece of gratitude I'll never fully be able to express or even fully repay. We sometimes say that great radio makes her great listeners, but that also goes vice versa. Having such a great audience makes for great radio and a great host. You are an indescribable can't do without it. Link to everything that's here.
Rush Limbaugh
Try to put this fight over the.
Rush Limbaugh (Closing Segment)
Payroll tax cut out of your mind and have a great Christmas holiday and a great New Year's. And remember, don't forget to tell everybody in your family, according to the BBC, that they are fat. You're doing it for their own good.
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Date: December 24, 2025
Hosts: Producers Ally and Greg (after hours special)
Featured Audio: Archive segments from Rush Limbaugh
This Christmas Eve "after hours" special diverges from the typical Clay Travis and Buck Sexton format, offering listeners a behind-the-scenes look at how the show is produced during the holidays, how guest hosts are chosen, and discussing the broader debate over "Merry Christmas" vs. "Happy Holidays." The episode is driven by lighthearted banter between producers Ally and Greg, a thoughtful exploration of show decisions, and features classic moments from the Rush Limbaugh archives reflecting on holiday traditions and cultural debates.
Lineup for the Holidays
Teamwork During Holidays
“We have a great roster of guest hosts, and we're super excited to give them that opportunity and also give Clay and Buck a break.” — Ally (05:48)
“I am probably the only person who kind of misses the slow days of sleepy Joe presidency.” — Greg (07:20)
“It's a delicate balance... sometimes Clay and Buck will go off-roading... and start talking about R and B music.” — Ally (09:26)
"As a woman... it's the thought, the effort that goes into considering someone." — Ally (11:04)
“You go the extra mile... it's that extra step that will make your wife smile.” — Greg (13:00)
“I think some people just like to be outraged and like to be angry about certain things.” — Greg (17:25)
"You are allowing other people...to affect how you feel about yourself. You are giving so much power to a bunch of people that you have no respect for in the first place."
— Rush Limbaugh (21:57)
"They're telling you more about who they are than they are about you."
— Rush Limbaugh (24:29)
"When I'm away over Christmas, I'm actually away from my family in a sense, because that's what you all are. Probably the largest extended family known to exist in the free world."
— Rush Limbaugh (27:00)
“Great listeners make for great radio and a great host.”
— Rush Limbaugh (27:45)
He expresses deep appreciation for his audience, calling them his extended family and emphasizing the reciprocal relationship of gratitude between host and listeners.
Humorous close:
"And remember, don't forget to tell everybody in your family, according to the BBC, that they are fat. You're doing it for their own good." — Rush Limbaugh (28:20)
The Christmas Eve Special offers fans a unique look at how the show keeps its signature mix of news, humor, and personality afloat during the holidays. The lively discussion around gift-giving, wrapping paper, and holiday greetings is both playful and insightful. Drawing from Rush Limbaugh’s archives grounds the episode in the program’s rich tradition, reminding listeners to seek joy, cherish family, and maintain goodwill—even when the culture wars rage on.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year from the Clay & Buck Show team!