Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Apr 1 2026

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show: Daily Review – April 1, 2026

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Episode Overview

On this episode, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton dive into the most pressing topics in American news and politics, blending detailed analysis with their trademark banter. The main themes include the Supreme Court’s oral arguments on birthright citizenship, congressional inaction on immigration, President Trump’s threatened NATO pullout and Iran’s ongoing air war, and the implications of the current Iran conflict for U.S. politics and global affairs. Congressman Jim Jordan joins for an in-depth discussion on legislative hurdles and the status of key issues in Washington. The show also touches on cultural moments like the Artemis 2 moon mission and the ongoing NCAA tournament, maintaining a thoughtful and often humorous tone throughout.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. April Fool’s Hijinks and Their Relevance (00:34–03:18)

• The show kicks off acknowledging April Fool's Day, recounting an elaborate puppy adoption prank played by their producer, which inadvertently disappointed a child.
• Clay notes the challenges in distinguishing reality from fake news in an age of AI and viral misinformation, especially on April 1.
  • Notable Quote (Clay, 02:11): “There is just an April Fools is on steroids now. You basically can't believe anything… almost you hear all day.”

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2. Supreme Court Oral Arguments: Birthright Citizenship (03:18–15:32)

• Clay and Buck break down the Supreme Court arguments on whether President Trump can unilaterally redefine the 14th Amendment’s "Birthright Citizenship" for children born on U.S. soil to foreign nationals.
• US Solicitor General John Sauer presents the government’s position that birth tourism (specifically Chinese and Russian nationals coming to the U.S. to give birth) is being used to scam U.S. citizenship. He cites Chinese companies dedicated to facilitating this and notes the scale (04:05).
  • Audio Excerpt: Sauer: “Media reported as early as 2015… there are 500 birth tourism companies in the People’s Republic of China whose business is to bring people here to give birth and return to that nation.” (04:42)
• Chief Justice John Roberts’ Attitude: Buck describes Roberts as unfazed and suggests he is likely to side with current precedent, implying anyone born here is fully American, regardless of circumstances. Buck criticizes this as “untenable.”
  • Notable Quote (Buck, 04:42): “So Clay, the Solicitor General lays out here… there is a systematic scamming of American citizenship… and the response of John Roberts is basically, yeah, man, times change… it's the same Constitution.”
• Clay’s Take: Critiques both Sauer’s weak oral advocacy and the impracticality of applying 1868 original legislative intent to today’s issues. He predicts the court will rule against Trump’s executive authority, in effect “enshrining birthright citizenship” and making the problem worse.
  • Notable Quote (Clay, 06:50): “I'm stunned that this guy is the advocate for this policy… The history nerd in me loves that they're analyzing debates from 1868… but if you could go back in time to 1868… they would have unanimously said, of course they aren’t.”
• Congressional Inaction: Both hosts bemoan Congress's unwillingness to address the issue, leading presidents to take executive action that is later challenged in court.
  • Notable Quote (Buck, 09:00): “They choose not to [act]… It is an article of faith in the Democrat Party that the birth tourism baby born here… is as American as apple pie, as American as anybody else, and gets all the rights.”
• Chain Migration and Dual Citizenship: Buck and Clay express concern over dual citizenship and chain migration, indicating that unchecked birthright citizenship will erode the meaning of being American (11:54).
• Buck: “No country can sustain that… They will have eroded sovereignty, the point of no return." (10:35)
• Clay: “Congress, which can act in theory, is incapable of addressing what is an existential threat to the country.” (14:18)

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3. Solutions and Hypotheticals on Citizenship (17:58–25:04)

• Clay offers two possible reforms:
  1. Reciprocity: Only grant birthright citizenship to countries that offer the same to Americans.
     • “If you and I got invited to Beijing and… had a baby in Beijing, that baby would not be Chinese. Why should Americans not get the same treatment?” (21:58)
  2. Residency Requirement: Require foreign nationals to spend several months in the U.S. before their U.S.-born child qualifies for citizenship, as a deterrent to “fly-in births.”
• Both hosts acknowledge such proposals are unlikely to pass Congress, given bipartisan gridlock and the filibuster (25:04).

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4. The Legislative Deadlock & Filibuster Debate (25:04–32:23)

• The hosts rail against the filibuster, calling it an “incumbency protection program,” and argue that the 60-vote Senate threshold is not in the Constitution.
  • Notable Quote (Buck, 27:06): "We need to start just living with the consequences of elections… You get to do things… Elections have consequences."
  • On Democrats’ willingness to throw out the filibuster: “As soon as Democrats have control, they're going to do away with it 100%.” (30:37)
• Discussion includes historical trivia about the filibuster’s origins (“freebooter” or pirate, 29:53) and political strategy warnings.

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5. Moon Mission, SpaceX, and Cultural Asides (16:30–17:59)

• Brief interlude about the Artemis 2 crew’s lunar mission and SpaceX’s impending IPO.
• Lighthearted argument about the greatest space movie, ranging from Apollo 13 to Star Wars and Aliens (17:20–17:59).
• Clay highlights the difference between citizenship by parentage (uncontroversial) and by soil (problematic internationally).

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6. Interview: Congressman Jim Jordan (33:58–48:34)

a. Birthright Citizenship, Congress, and Judicial Constraints (34:31–36:22)

• Jordan affirms his belief in Trump’s position, highlighting the “subject to the jurisdiction thereof…” clause of the 14th Amendment.
  • “If someone comes into your country illegally and gives birth to a child here… they weren't subject to the jurisdiction thereof.” (34:31)
• Clay presses Jordan on whether Congress can act if the Supreme Court strikes down Trump’s executive order. Jordan says any law would head straight back to the Court and likely be struck down.

b. Immigration Enforcement Funding (37:45–39:17)

• Jordan details the battle for ICE and Border Patrol funding, accusing Senate Democrats of seeking to cut enforcement.

c. Trump’s Frustration & Pace of Change (39:17–40:45)

• Jordan admits President Trump is deeply frustrated by Congress’s slow pace and obstruction by the left.

d. Iran Conflict & Global Alliances (40:45–44:47)

• Jordan supports Trump’s Iran strike policy and highlights European allies’ lack of meaningful support.
• Affirms the focus will soon shift back to the economy, especially energy prices, as the election nears.

e. Midterm Election Prospects (44:47–46:47)

• Jordan is “optimistic but realistic” about GOP prospects, warning the left is highly energized.
• “In modern American politics… President Trump has changed things... Anything worth doing is always hard.” (45:35)

f. College Sports Reform (46:47–48:32)

• Jordan and Clay discuss pending congressional action on college athletics, with Jordan hoping for bipartisan reforms soon.

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7. Iran Situation, Military & Energy Markets (50:41–59:41)

• Trump’s Perspective: President proclaims that the main objective—denying Iran nuclear weapons—has been achieved and urges Europe and other stakeholders to step up regarding the Strait of Hormuz.
  • Trump, 52:03: “They will have no nuclear weapons. And that goal has been attained.”
• Buck's Take: Points out that European/NATO allies are resisting U.S. requests for support, with France and the UK taking stances that distance themselves from the conflict. (52:02–52:59)
• Energy & Economic Implications:
  • Buck and Clay explain that disruptions at the Strait of Hormuz have less effect on the U.S. (due to energy independence) but great impact on Europe and China (55:53–56:36).
  • Rubio, 55:53: “The United States gets very little energy through the Straits of Hormuz… Our allies ship out a lot of oil through there… We depend very little.”
  • Clay speculates about a U.S.-Iran ceasefire if shipping is restored, noting that world oil prices and political fortunes in the U.S. will be tied to this outcome (57:33–59:41).
• Election Odds & Market Forecasts: Clay references prediction markets suggesting Republicans are underdogs to retain the House and potentially the Senate (59:41), emphasizing the high stakes of the coming months.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Clay, on Congress (14:18): “…Congress, which can act in theory, is incapable of addressing what is an existential threat to the country.”
• Buck, on Supreme Court logic (04:42): “Chief Justice John Roberts responded that it’s a new world, but it’s the same Constitution.”
• Jim Jordan, on the 14th Amendment (34:31): “If someone comes into your country illegally and gives birth to a child here… they weren’t subject to the jurisdiction thereof.”
• Trump, on Iran mission accomplished (52:03): “They will have no nuclear weapons. And that goal has been attained. They will not have nuclear weapons.”
• Clay, on the filibuster (32:05): “So the idea of not doing away with it because it’s important precedent—the precedent is going to get tossed… as soon as they have the power to do it.”
• Buck, on pessimism about reform (25:04): “Yeah, they’re reasonable and rational. The Democrats won’t want them.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Timestamps | |--------------------------------------------------------|-------------------| | April Fool’s Banter & Fake News Commentary | 00:34–03:18 | | Supreme Court Birthright Citizenship Arguments | 03:18–15:32 | | Reciprocal & Residency-based Reform Proposals | 21:58–25:04 | | Filibuster and Congressional Inaction | 25:04–32:23 | | Artemis 2/Moon Mission & Space Movie Debate | 16:30–18:44 | | Congressman Jim Jordan Interview | 33:58–48:32 | | Trump’s Iran Address & Allied Response | 50:41–52:59 | | Oil Markets and Political Implications | 55:53–59:41 |

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Tone & Language

• The episode is marked by frank, often cutting analysis of U.S. institutions, strong political opinions, and a persistent theme of frustration with both Democratic and Republican leadership.
• Humor is used to lighten topics (e.g., space movies, April Fool’s, historic filibuster trivia).
• Clay and Buck maintain an “inside baseball” familiarity with their audience, referencing ongoing debates, Washington insider knowledge, and bringing in the voices of lawmakers themselves.
• Direct language is frequently used (“worthless,” “incapable,” “untenable”), particularly regarding Congress’s inaction.

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Summary Takeaway:
This episode highlights deep conservative frustration with the state of American law and politics, especially regarding immigration, birthright citizenship, legislative inertia, and the Supreme Court’s limitations. It features a sobering assessment of 2026 electoral prospects, current foreign policy tensions, and the limits of executive and judicial power. The addition of Jim Jordan provides insiders’ perspective while keeping the tone energetic and engaging for listeners.

Transcript

[Buck Sexton]

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[Buck Sexton]

Welcome in, everybody, to the Wednesday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. Oh, my. Got some big stuff to get into. First up here, the Trump administration. The president is threatening to pull out of NATO. Going to be giving a speech tonight at 9 o' clock addressing the nation about this whole situation in Iran. And I am sure, I think everyone is sure, he is going to have some very tough words for our NATO allies. And we shall give you some of those details of where that all stands. Updates, of course, on the ongoing Iran air war, which is really what this is. So we'll discuss that with you in detail. But Clay and I both spent the morning drinking our Crockett coffee.

[Clay Travis]

It's accurate.

[Buck Sexton]

There you go.

[Clay Travis]

It's important to add the Crockett coffee because it's April Fools. People could be like, holy cow, what are we stepping into today?

[Buck Sexton]

I'm getting hit with crazy. So producer Alley totally with a haymaker at me. First thing this morning, I wake up and she says that she found a box of puppies and can we help people adopt them? And she knows. I'm like, oh, you found puppies. I'll help out. I'm all excited about it. I'm like, let's find people to adopt the puppies. She unked me. She unked me big time.

[Clay Travis]

I knew. So this is. You have not heard the update on this. So I immediately thought, okay, this is. I bought that producer Ali could have a box of puppies. And my first thought was, we'll just give them away to listeners. And there will be, it'll be kind of a fun, nice thing to do. And then I love how you saw

[Buck Sexton]

it as a brand oppo. Right away.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, immediately. Immediately I was like, well, you know, let's give the puppies away to listeners. That'll be a happy thing. Because it's not always happy talk on this, on the show. And then she said she was bringing him to the studio. And I was like, this is April Fool. So it was that part that I was like. And by the way, this is the part you don't know yet, Buck. And we'll get into all the serious stuff. Producer, I think it was producer Mike has a grandson. He told his wife has been begging for a puppy. This is, this is what Ali has created. Told his wife that he was going to bring a puppy home for the seven year old. And, and now the seven year old is crushed because there isn't actually a puppy because producer Ally tried to pull an April Fool's joke. And now There's a crushed 7 year old in New York who was expecting a puppy. So, so your April Fool's jokes, I saw your tweet. It is true. You got got already so many people are getting got AI and plus a lot of credulous people. There is just a April Fools is on steroids. Now. You basically can't believe anything. Almost you hear all day.

[Buck Sexton]

Now this is not an April Fools. So we can get back into this now. I'm giving you. We're in an April Fool's free session for a moment here because as we were drinking our cracked coffee this morning, we're listening to the Supreme Court oral arguments on this birthright citizenship case. And Clay, there's a lot going on here. To me, I know you listened. I was listening. Here is the, at least the crux of the argument for me was put out by US Solicitor General John Sawyer and responded to by John Roberts. This is a little less than a minute long, but I want you to hear. This was just argued, you know, in the last hour or so earlier this morning. Supreme court play cut one.

[US Solicitor General John Sauer]

The media reports indicate estimates could be over 1 million or 1.5 million from the People's Republic of China alone. The congressional report that we cited in our brief talks about certain hotspots like Russian elites coming to Miami through these tourism companies. And here's, here's, here's the fact about it that I think is striking. Media reported as early as 2015 that based on Chinese media reports, there are 500, 500 birth tourism companies in the People's Republic of China whose business is to bring people here to give birth in return to that nation.

[Buck Sexton]

And Chief Justice John Roberts responded that it's a new world, but it's the same Constitution. And you say to yourself, okay, hold on a second. So Clay, the Solicitor General lays out here that there are 8 billion people in the world and it's really easy to come to America and there is a systematic scamming of American citizenship That is going on at scale today just with Chinese birth tourism alone. We're not even talking about anchor babies coming across the border and all that. And the response of John Roberts is basically, yeah, man, times change. They're as American as apple pie. You grew up in Beijing for 18 years. You apply to UCLA. When you're an adult, you're not just getting in state tuition. You're an American. As American as you, me and every American listening right now. I just think that's an untenable position, but that may be where the Supreme Court's going.

[Clay Travis]

I got so many thoughts on this and I cranked up the television and I just tweeted some of them out if you want to go read it. But obviously, to me, let's start with the guy's voice. He cannot be the Solicitor General. And look, I'm saying this as a lawyer, he may be a brilliant legal mind. As I watched this argument play out, Buck, and you just heard it a little bit, the number one job of an oral advocate is to be an elite oral advocate. His voice is awful. And so much of you know this, but I think this is important so much because you don't have cameras in the courtroom. Almost all of this is going to spread now on social media, in the marketplace of ideas. There's going to be a bunch of clips. All of the justices were crisp, articulate, you may not agree with them, but their voices sounded and were completely intelligible. This guy, the US Solicitor General. Sauer. Is it Sauer or Sawyer? I don't know how it's pronounced. S A U, E, R. I mean, Sig.

[Buck Sexton]

Sauer would be the gun company. So I'd say Sauer is a good choice.

[Clay Travis]

That sour. You couldn't understand him at all. And I think this, given that President Trump is elite when it comes to communication, I'm stunned that this guy is the advocate for this policy. Now, that is on the pure optics. The way that the argument gets out the law basically here, Buck, what they're debating is what did congressmen and women in 1868 that have been dead for 150 years intend when it came to addressing citizenship in the 14th Amendment for a situation that they never could have conceived of in a modern day. Birth, Tourism, all of these different things, I think. And I want all of you to prepare yourselves for this. I think the Supreme Court is going to say President Trump doesn't have the executive authority to be able to enforce this interpretation of the 14th Amendment. Unfortunately, Buck, I think this is going to enshrine birthright citizenship as a constitutional right to. And again, there's two different types. There's birth. There's citizenship by your parents, and there's by soil. What is the issue here is by soil. In other words, if you cross over the border and have a baby in Texas from Mexico, your kid is just as American as anybody out there who's been in this country for hundreds of years and has both parents born here. Buck, my big issue is this is actually going to make birthright citizenship worse. Because now all those 500 companies that Sauer was citing are going to say, the U.S. supreme Court has said this is the law and the land. Get into the United States by any means possible. Pregnant women have a baby there. Your kids are citizens just like you and me for the rest of their life. Here's the ultimate indictment, though, Buck, and this is a lot of people are not going to focus on this. Congress can't fix it. Everybody's going to blame the Supreme Court. They're trying to apply an 1868 law based on an executive argument made by President Trump that is novel. President Trump is trying to solve the issue because he knows Congress can't. Well, they won't. I'm not sure can't is competent.

[Buck Sexton]

They choose not to.

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

Right.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, they clearly have the power to. They could even do a constitutional amendment if they wanted to, but they don't. Because Democrats ultimately are across the board. Every Democrat. It is a. It is an article of faith in the Democrat Party that the birth tourism baby born here. And by the way, it's conspiracy to lie on your visa. It's conspiracy to lie. You know, if you're interacting with customs and Border Patrol about your purpose of your visit, I mean, there's all kinds of legal issues with that, too. But then you return to China and this is the perfect example. This, because it is happening. We know it's happening at scale. It's a business. It is a business to scam American citizenship right now. People go to prison for it. It's a crime. So this is actually happening. And what the Democrat Party believes and you cannot deviate from this is, yes, the person who was born here, who then goes back to China and is part of a conspiracy to defraud the American government, is as American as apple pie, as American as anybody else, and gets all the rights. You know, you want us to die for this place. It has to be. You want us to be willing to give our lives in the military. It has to be more than a welfare state, a soup kitchen. And an economic zone. And they're, they're really toying with making a lot of us just say, I'm sorry, what is it that this country represents again? What is it to be an American? Is it just a joke? It's just a piece of paper that we can give to anybody for any reason.

[Clay Travis]

That's.

[Buck Sexton]

No country can sustain, that. Whatever they tell you, no country can endure. They will have eroded sovereignty, the point of no return.

[Clay Travis]

And again, there probably are going to be some people who come on shows today and tell you, oh, this went great. President Trump's order is in fantastic shape. It's not going to happen. I would love to be wrong. And in June, if this decision comes down or whenever it's going to come down, and then I will be happy to come on here and say, wow, this is one of the most transformative decisions Supreme Court's ever made. This is the right decision, but I think they're not going to try. And again, the history nerd in me love that they're analyzing debates from 1868 to try to determine what the law was and is as it pertains to citizenship. What I would say is an immutable fact, is if you could go back in time to 1868 in your time machine, and you could say to every member of Congress in 1868, hey, guys, by 2026, they're going to be debating what you guys intend for people who hop on airplanes or people who illegally come into this country and have a baby and then go back to live in other countries, whether those people are American citizens or not. They would have unanimously said, of course they aren't.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, this is also why subject to the jurisdiction thereof is so important. And there was a lot of debate and a lot of back and forth about this specifically. So, and I'm just going to say this, this is why we should not have dual citizenship in this country. For any country, you can be an American citizen, and that is it. And when you look at why we have dual citizenship, the arguments are super weak. So it should be. Because keep in mind, also, if you're a U.S. citizen and a citizen of another country, we have extraterritorial taxation. So wherever you are around the world, you're subject to U.S. taxes. This is, this is. To me, Clay, you boil this down to whether being an American has any meaning beyond something that can be effectively stolen through part of a criminal conspiracy, which is what birth tourism is, for example, and whether being an American is something that will reward people for violations of law, which let's keep in mind, as an anchor baby, the parents broke the law, and what happens is, they break the law, the kid's a citizen, and then the whole family gets sponsored through chain migration to come into this country. So it's not just for that kid who gets citizenship. They go to the front of the immigration line, and this is how this country is supposed to work. And by the way, all these things about doing the jobs we won't do and all this other stuff. Not true. And if anything, welfare usage much higher among the new arrivals. There's all kinds of questions about what happens to assimilation processes in a country that's bringing in tens of millions of people in a short period of time. We brought 10 million illegals in under the Biden administration. You're gonna tell me that we can handle that through what we have thought of as assimilation in this country? Every wave of migration in America in the past, Clay, has resulted in a period of clampdown where we're like, all right, that's enough. Yeah, we gotta all kind of live together and figure things out for a while. We're gonna turn this country into a joke, into a giant. It's just gonna be, like I said, one giant soup kitchen. Show up here, have your baby. By the way, taxpayer expense. Oh, and whatever medical issues you have. Taxpayer expense. Because, you know, we got nothing but money to spend. It's not like we're running a $30 trillion deficit, so. Or debt, rather. Sorry. This is something that I think people need to really take very seriously. But I agree with you. I'm not John Roberts. This whole thing. John Roberts is basically like, is this insane? Yeah, tough. That's the deal. We didn't really get to that part in. In that clip, but that is, unfortunately, what his attitude was.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah. And again, I come back to. This is where Congress today, you know, it's figuring. This is one of the flaws of originalism. Right. For those of. I can go on and on about this, but you're trying to determine the intent of people based on a conception of a concept that they never could have conceptualized. Now, I can say I feel very confident. Everybody in 1868 would have considered this interpretation of what they did today to be insane, but they're not here to tell us. And unfortunately, Congress, which can act in theory, is incapable of addressing what is an existential threat to the country. And by the way, Buck, has anybody even really thought about this?

[Buck Sexton]

I just. I don't like incapable, Clay. They're capable. They won't do it because Democrats don't agree.

[Clay Travis]

Unwilling. They have the power. Unwilling. Here's the other thing. Has anybody ever really thought about this? If there are a million illegal, A million American citizens in China, Think about this for a sec. Those million people could just move to Wyoming and take over the state of Wyoming or any other small western state and make it a communist state. Does anybody ever.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Mic drops that never sounded so good. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back in hour number two. Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. We thank all of you for hanging out with us. A bunch of different news stories in the works as we are speaking to all of you. The Artemis 2 crew is suiting up ahead of their launch down in Florida to return to orbit the moon for the first time in decades. Jared Isaacman was on with us yesterday, the head of NASA talking about how this is setting the table for a moon base and one day humans on the surface of Mars. Which is pretty cool.

[Buck Sexton]

What is your favorite space movie? All Time Space the Final Frontier. Favorite movie? I'm leaving it very broad here.

[Clay Travis]

That's a very good question. I. I don't even know that I. That I have one. That is I probably Paul 13 probably was Apollo 13 right with Tom Hanks about the space crew and having to come back. I think that's the answer. Is there a better one?

[Buck Sexton]

That's the answer I would expect from somebody who spent his vacations going to Civil War camp. And Supreme Court arguments. Fine aliens for me.

[Clay Travis]

Including like Star wars and stuff. Like everything.

[Buck Sexton]

Everything, you big nerd.

[Clay Travis]

Well, Apollo 13. Star wars is the answer. I mean, Star Wars. I thought you meant like an actual space move. Star Wars. Empire Strikes Back.

[Buck Sexton]

Empire Strikes Back. That's respectable. You're not.

[Clay Travis]

You've gone.

[Buck Sexton]

You've gone. Less nerd.

[Clay Travis]

Apollo 13. Well, I thought you were specifically saying like a real. Not science fiction.

[Buck Sexton]

Did you go to NASA camp too? Was clear, like, I want to be an astronaut one day. I want to be zero gravity.

[Clay Travis]

Laura has been to space camp multiple times, I think, but with our boys because they have parent kid space camp. That's cool.

[Buck Sexton]

That's like a nice family thing.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, yeah, she's been multiple times. I think she's ready to go to space if she needed to. So. Yeah, I mean, Star wars is the obvious answer, but I thought you meant like actual rocket space, like real life tie.

[Buck Sexton]

You've seen aliens, right?

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

Yeah. Why? Oh, oh, oh, oh.

[Buck Sexton]

Light him up, everybody, light him up. He's James Cameron's aliens. He's not giving that it's due. That's madness to be madness.

[Clay Travis]

So Artemis 2, that is going to take off. SpaceX going public. I think that's probably intentional to double up there for the biggest IPO potentially in the history of capitalism. Supposed to happen in July. Would not shock me if Elon Musk tried to do it around July 4th, if that's true, to celebrate America's 250th. I can see a lot of positivity associated with that. But Buck, I am still super fired up. I was watching all the birthright citizenship arguments and I thought, let me give you a couple of things. First of all, and again, this is nerding out, there is a difference between two different types of citizenship. One of them is not controversial at all. If your parents are citizens of a country, then you should become a citizen of that country when you are born. I think everybody gets that. And that applies even if you are on a base in Germany or one day, if you're on Mars and you have and your parents are American and they have a baby, you should be an American citizen. I think everybody gets it. The other one is by soil. And I didn't think that the advocate here, John Sauer, really did a good job historically explaining what's going on personally, because by soil citizenship is very rare. And nowhere in Europe. He did mention we played that audio. You can't become a citizen in China. You can't become a citizen of Japan. So I have got two different things that, to me, Buck, would make sense. All right, Solutions, right? Because Congress can't do any. We did like, won't do anything, can't manage to get anything passed. However you want to contextualize this, Buck, tell me what you think about these two solutions. One, mutuality. If we can't become citizens of your country, then you should not be able to become citizens of our country. Let me explain how that would work. If you and I got invited to Beijing and one of us had a wife who was pregnant. Laura has had three. Let's say Kerry is pregnant and suddenly she had a baby in Beijing, that baby would not be Chinese. Why should Americans be able to travel to China and have babies there? And their kids do not. Our kids do not become citizens of China, but Chinese citizens become citizens of America. One easy solution, to me that is very commonplace, is reciprocity. If you are not doing for us what we are doing for you, then it should not exist. That seems very logical, very common sense. There's a lot of examples of this. For instance, in law, sometimes you can wave into other jurisdictions and become a lawyer for purposes of practice in other states. But it's very common that if one state. Let's say I'm. I'm licensed in Tennessee right now. I can't become a lawyer in Florida by just waving in, I don't think. Or California. And so if California and Florida will not allow that to happen, then I think Tennessee will not allow you to wave in from those states because we're being treated differently. Reciprocity makes very much sense to me. That's one. I don't know if it could pass, but I'm gonna ask Jim Jordan. That seems very reasonable. It's a way to go after birthright citizenship, because I doubt that China is gonna suddenly say, oh, by the way, you can travel Americans to China and all your people become Chinese citizens as well. Now, Buck, you don't think dual citizenship should exist? I kind of agree with that in theory. But this is one way to chip away at the concept of birthright citizenship by saying, you have to treat Americans as we are treating you. And if you're going to take advantage of our country, then Americans should have the ability to take advantage of your country, too. What it creates, unfortunately, because America is so much better than other countries, is some countries might be willing to create

[Buck Sexton]

that mutuality I'm sure Somalia would be like, hey, if you want Somali citizenship, we'll trade you.

[Clay Travis]

Ok, so. But the problem is Somali. We have it right now already. But what it would do is if there's truly millions of people doing this from China, I think it would strip away Chinese, China's ability, for instance, and Japan and all the Europeans in countries from being able to take advantage of this. Okay, here's the second one. What if when you enter the country, we insisted that if you are pregnant, you have to spend multiple months in this country instead of being able to travel in for a week or two, take advantage of all of the American medical treatments. I don't know about you when you went through pregnancy, first of all, it's reckless when someone is eight months pregnant to put them on an airplane and decide to fly them from a foreign country or seven months pregnant or whatever else at some point in time. You remember this buck? They said, hey, it's probably better for you not to be on an airplane for a long flight if you're a pregnant woman. That is very standard advice. If we said you cannot be in the United States for a short period of time, four months, five months, you have to spend in this country in order for your child to be considered an American citizen, I think that would also interdict, drive back the chances of people being able to come to the country. So both of those seem like reasonable ways to address constitutionally a decision that is likely to come down from the Supreme Court that says, hey, birthright citizenship by soil is constitutional. Do those seem like somewhat reasonable, rational? Again, I know reasonable and rational doesn't get passed often by Congress, but both of those seem like reasonable, rational ways to try to dial back the incentive of people coming here just to have babies so that they're American citizens.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, they're reasonable and rational. The Democrats won't want them.

[Clay Travis]

But can Republicans pass them? I'm sorry, do you think Republicans could pass them in the limited amount of time that we have? I don't have a lot of faith in Republicans either. Like, we can say Democrats won't pass them. Republicans can't pass anything either. And we've got the House and the Senate, by and large, we can't get anything done.

[Buck Sexton]

I think that. I think this filibuster thing is dumb. Yeah, not, not the filibuster as a basic concept, which I think goes all the way back to like the, the origins of the term filibuster has to. I think it has to. The word itself is like French and Has to do with like, like pirates. I'll, I'll get back to that in a second. Basically, it's like you're hijacking the situation is what a filibuster is. But I think that we don't have a 60 vote requirement in the Constitution. Why are people pretending like we have a 60 vote requirement in the Constitution and people are saying, oh well, Democrats will do all these crazy things. Ok, well then the American people can see the crazy things they do and make decisions based upon it. There's still a lot of bad laws that have been passed even with this requirement. It just feels like this is an incumbency protection program where nobody ever has to take a hard vote and nobody ever has to actually live with the consequences of getting what they want. I don't know, I've started to become a little more radical on this. People are sitting here, they're going, what about the SAVE Act? I'm like, yes, yes, great. Never gonna happen unless they get rid of the filibuster. They'll say, oh, but what about if we use parliamentary procedure and the standing filibuster and we show the American people, okay, nice idea. Still not going to get the SAVE Act. Democrats won't do it. Republicans won't even all do it, by the way.

[Clay Travis]

So that's, that's my concern. We can't get anything passed. And this is where I get so many of you out there so frustrated that we've got, I don't know how often it's going to happen, Buck, that we have a Republican president, Republican Senate, Republican House, all three. Right now we have in theory a majority of Republican appointees on the Supreme Court, and yet it feels like they can't do anything.

[Buck Sexton]

We need to start just living with the consequences of elections. And that means if you win the House, you win the Senate and you win the presidency, you get to do things within the, you know, within the scope of the Constitution. You get to do things. Elections have consequences. We have this sort of halfway thing of like nobody ever has to really. No, America should get what it wants and get it long and hard. Like we should actually have a government that can take action that is meaningful beyond some of these carve outs that we have. You know what, you know what? They don't have this issue with budgets. You know why? Everybody wants to spend, spend, spend, spend. Easiest thing in the world, everybody in Congress, they're all a bunch of little piggies at the treasury trough and they don't want to stop. The spending is automatic. Everything Else is like, meh, can we name a post office? Sure. It's absurd. It's absurd. This whole 60 vote filibuster thing. I know people are like, no, it's important. The Senate tempers the passions. No, it's made up. Get rid of it. Actually just have people vote and get. Again, we have a constitution, we have an anchoring system for this. You can't just do anything. You know, we have laws in place, we have statutes. But what all it means, Clay, is that, you know, you know, when the last time somebody got a super leg, you know, got the super legislative majority, it was Obamacare, which is a disaster, A disaster. Well, and so you're sitting here like, well, what exactly are we. We're holding ourselves back from doing a good thing with the SAVE Act.

[Clay Travis]

This is why President Trump has enacted so much of his agenda through his executive authority, which then November court, as we see this morning, the only reason the border is secure is cuz President Trump issued his executive authority. The reason why we bombed Iran was there's typically more credence or space given to presidents and foreign. I get why exactly.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, this is what I'm saying. He has the powers though, to do these. So the executive order is really just a way of saying the President chose to do the thing that he's allowed to do. Allowed to do. Right.

[Clay Travis]

They can try to challenge out whether he has the ability to do it right through separation of powers, which is the big picture question. But again, the first, everybody's going to be angry at the Supreme Court when we're, when we're predicting that they say birthright citizenship is the law of the land. Where I'm saying is your anger should actually be with Congress because they won't fix anything. They're basically worthless. And if Democrats take back control of the House, they're going to impeach President Trump. Nothing's going to happen. And I'm almost to the point where I just am like, just don't do anything. I don't know that they're making any better for anyone's life most years that they are on Capitol Hill.

[Buck Sexton]

By the way, Clay, filibuster comes from the Dutch Vreebooter, which is a freebooter or a pirate. And it passed into the French with from freebooter to filibustier and filibustero to describe Caribbean pirates. So to filibuster is in fact to be a pirate among Congress.

[Clay Travis]

I love that history. I didn't know that. I will say this, he looked at

[Buck Sexton]

me like I was insane when I was saying, by the way, he was like, he looked at me like I needed a nap or something. Like I was pulling a full Biden here.

[Clay Travis]

Pirates of the Caribbean. I know the parlay concept. We need to parlay. That's a great series of movies. I will say, buck the other part about the filibuster. As soon as Democrats have control, they're

[Buck Sexton]

going to do away with it 100%.

[Clay Travis]

So you're 100% around talking about standing up for a principle that the other side will not respect when they have the opportunity to do away with it.

[Buck Sexton]

It's not even a principle. What is the principle? I get we won the election. This is a self imposed principle. This is like we could win, but we don't want to win because winning is mean. What are you talking about? It makes no sense. It makes no. People say Democrats will do these insane things, okay. And we'll see the insane things that they're trying to do or that they do.

[Clay Travis]

Well, no, I think, I think that if they win back control of the, of the presidency in the House and the Senate, I think that they will expand the Supreme Court. I think that they will decide to give statehood to places like Washington, D.C. to add senators, and I think they'll do it by a bare majority. So for people out there who are saying, and there are a lot of Republicans that say that, well, we've got to stay committed to not doing away with the principle. Biden tried to do away with it. The only reason that it didn't happen was because you had Joe Manchin in West Virginia and because you had Kirsten Sinema in Arizona. Oh, by the way, they're not there anymore. Who are the Democrats that are? Maybe Fetterman, Maybe Fetterman would say, hey, this isn't a good idea. Other than that they do. They're going to do away with it. I'm just telling you. So the idea of not doing away with it because it's important precedent, the precedent is going to get tossed out the way as soon as they have the power to do it.

[Buck Sexton]

Do you guys think after eight years of Democrats losing their minds over Trump, they're going to be reasonable if they remember this is only if they win the presidency, the Congress, you know, the House and the Senate. Right. But if they win all three of those, you think that they're going to be reasonable and they're going to keep the filibuster after Trump for eight years? No way. No way.

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

Third hour of clay and Buck gets going right now. Jim Jordan. Jordan, member of Congress with us right now from the great state of Ohio. Congressman Jordan, thanks for being here, sir. Clay is saying that your, your august institution of the Congress largely to blame collectively. Not you, sir, of course, but to blame collectively for the mess that is citizenship by birth, immigration, all this stuff. Right now after the Supreme Court, what do you think?

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

Well, I think that, I think our argument is actually strong in the President's position, which is our position. We filed an amicus brief with the court that, you know, when you look at the 14th amendment, there's that key clause in there subject to the jurisdiction thereof. And I think that's important because if someone comes into your country illegally and gives birth to a child here, that shouldn't, because they were here, weren't subject to the jurisdiction thereof because they were, you know, in an illegal fashion. I think that's important. And that's, that's kind of, I think, where you hang your hat when you're making the argument that we're making, we'll see what we'll see if the Supreme Court buys it. You know, I hadn't had a chance to listen to the debate today, but we'll just have to see.

[Clay Travis]

Jim, thanks for coming on. Okay, I'm going to hit you with two things that so I think this is not you signing on to this opinion. I think the Supreme Court is going to say the president doesn't have the executive authority to do, do this. And so I just want to hit you with a hypothetical. If, you know, Buck's lovely wife Carrie, if they were on a nice honeymoon trip to Beijing, Bernie Sanders style, and, and, or post honeymoon, but she's pregnant, they go there and they have a baby in Beijing. That child is not an American, isn't of American citizens, would be an American citizen. It certainly wouldn't be a Chinese citizen because they don't allow by soil citizenship. I think a lot of people are frustrated when they look at this to say, wait, Chinese citizens are coming here in huge numbers, having babies on our soil and then going right back to China and they've got an American citizen. That is madness. Can Congress do anything in your mind if the Supreme Court says the president doesn't have executive authority to address this birth tourism issue in a significant way?

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

Well, two things. One, yeah, you're making this the basic common sense argument. This is not stand up to common sense. And I understand the Constitution, what it says. That's why I went right to the, you know, that clause in the 14th Amendment. So I get all that. But, yeah, what we can do is what we've been working on doing is like seal the border, secure the border, which President Trump has done, and then stop this sanctuary jurisdiction and all that that involves and all the other crazy things that the left is doing. I mean, I think we talked last time, we just passed legislation out of our committee that says we're going to get rid of this sanctuary jurisdiction concept, which applies to now almost a third of the country. So yet those are the things that we need to do. Now. If we pass a law that says, you know, that deals with birthright citizenship, it's going to be right back in front of the Supreme Court. Right back. And they're going to look, they're going to point to the Constitution and cite the same reasons they're going to cite probably now. So I don't know that that changes anything. But what we got to do is just enforce the law and deal with the situation, which is I gave this speech Friday night On the House floor when we were debating the bill that the Senate sent over and said they let in 8 to 10 million people, then they create sanctuary jurisdictions, and now they don't want to fund the people who are going out to get them, the ICE agents, and they're going to take the money away. Wasn't enough to spit on them, dox them, track them, harass them. Now they want to say, we're not going to pay you to do the job that we're making it so tough for you to do because we let in 10 million people and gave them sanctuary status. I mean, that's craziness.

[Buck Sexton]

So, Congressman, can you just tell us where this whole thing stands with the ICE funding currently? We know the TSA lines. We've been covering that a lot here on the show. Seems like that now is not an issue yet. The Senate on what, March 27, voice vote funding most of DHS. So that's TSA, FEMA, Coast Guard, but not the full ICE funding. And then he got the House on March 27 rejected the Senate's version. What the heck is going on?

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

Yeah, the left is being crazy. I mean, they shut down the government last fall for 42 days and now they're shutting it down for 40 some days here this, this spring. And who knows how long it's going to go. It's just another, another ridiculous position they take. But that's the scenario is, or the situation is that, yeah, they don't want to pay ICE agents in Border Patrol. And, and frankly, you don't ever want to establish the precedent that you're going to fund all of the government except the enforcement side of dhs, which is what the precedent would have been if we would allow that to go through. So the House said no to it. All of us Republicans voted against what the Senate had said. We passed back a clean, clean bill which said, no, just fund everyone. Fund ICE agents, fund the people who are going out there facing the harassment from the agitators on the left. Dealing with what all they have to deal with, doing their job, make sure they get funded fully, not this partial deal that Chuck Schumer and the Democrats wanted to do in the United States Senate.

[Clay Travis]

How frustrated do you think President Trump is right now? You know him well, it seems like I was watching his press conference yesterday and I know he was at the birthright citizenship argument today on the Supreme Court. It's. And you and I were there for the college sports roundtable and near the end, you could see him near the end of the college Sports Roundtable, when they started talking about everything that judges are doing and Democrats in Congress, it was just, you could just see the blood pressure boiling on him. He seems, and I know everything going on in Iran, but certainly he seems very frustrated with the slowness of movement with the American political process. Is that fair to say, you think?

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

Oh, I think it's very fair to say. He's a guy who gets things done. He's a guy who, you know, is focused on results and doing what he said he would do when he ran for the job. And so, yeah, it's frustrating, but I think his frustration is no different than the American people. They see it all, too, and they look at the left and they're like, why do you take the positions you do? Why don't you just fund the government, Just like pay the ICE agents to do their job? So, of course he's frustrated, but I think the American people are. And I think it's incumbent upon us Republicans to keep doing all we can to get just common sense things done, but also to tell the public, to tell the people held up. And it is truly the left, their crazy positions and their just pure hatred of President Trump, which is ridiculous as well.

[Buck Sexton]

How's this Iran war playing out as you see it at this stage, Congressman? I think Trump's addressing the Nation tonight at 9 o'. Clock. Yeah, he's going to be calling, calling out NATO for not stepping up to help out with the Strait of Hormuz. You know, I feel like a lot of people are either declaring this right now a huge win or a huge catastrophe. And I'm like, well, it's still happening, so how can we know what exactly has happened? Because we don't. But at this stage, what are, what is your, what's your sense of how it's going to.

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

Well, I was listening to you guys a couple days ago, and I think you guys had the right take on it. I think the vast majority of Republicans think that the president's doing what he said and that this is the right thing to do. When you think about the 47 years of this terrorist regime, killing Americans, killing Israelis, killing others, killing thousands of their own people, for goodness sake, and you cannot let them get a nuclear weapon, which President Trump campaigned on and ran on and was part of what he promised the American people. So I think the vast majority of Republicans say, like, okay, we're with the president. I certainly am. And I think people with common sense say, yeah, you do not want this crazy regime having a nuclear capability. But we also See that? Everyone sees the price of gas. I was actually in California, and you pull up at 699. Of course, that's driven by some of the crazy things in California. But I'm like, I look at that sign on the gas, I'm like, holy cow. So we want it to be over as quickly as possible. But I think most people, again with common sense, say you have to achieve the objective. And if the objective is clearly do not let this crazy regime have nuclear capability, nuclear weapons, and the country understands that. So we'll see what the president says tonight. But as we've talked about many times, he's a guy who does what he said. He's a guy that says he's going to accomplish a goal, he's going to get there. And this is certainly something he told us he was going to do.

[Clay Travis]

I agree with all that. You know, and I think you would probably agree with this if we've been saying on the program, everybody, you remember, everybody said, oh, Minneapolis is going to be the moment that defines the midterms. And now unless you live in Minneapolis or Minnesota, nobody's talking about that right now. Iran, Iran, Iran, gas prices. It's, you know, the first day of April. If this war or this, this whatever you want to call it, people say, you know, the president says not officially a war because Congress hasn't acted. But let's say this, this action undertaken by President Trump, if it's over by May 1st, which I think it will be, then we're going to be right back to the economy, I think, driving the boat as it pertains to people's reactions post Labor Day. Do you buy into that? And if so, how does that become the focal point of the midterm election in your mind?

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

Well, the economy is always pretty darn central to any national election, midterm or presidential. And I assume that's going to be the case again. I think you're right. In the era of modern American politics, in the era of President Trump, the news cycle is like every three minutes. So, yeah, things are going to change. We don't know what's going to happen between now and October, but it would be nice if we got this economy back where we want it and prices of things become began to come down, particularly gas prices, because it's something we all see and feel every day. And I think that's likely to happen in light of the big, beautiful bill we passed. And now I think we're going to do a second reconciliation. I think we have to in order to deal with this fraud issue. You think we're going to get Democrats in the Congress to help us deal with the rampant fraud happening around the country? No, we're going to have to do that on our own. So let's do that. Let's make sure we replenish the troops with the supplies they need after this effort in Iran, and let's make sure we handle the things and maybe even DHS has to happen with reconciliation to make sure ICE gets paid, but let's do that. And I think that will help with economic growth as well. But certainly the big beautiful bill with the largest tax cut in American history, that's a good thing. And that's starting to kick in, I think, gonna help our economy.

[Buck Sexton]

Congressman, I was at a book event last night and yes, I was asked, did you in fact hit 103 mile an hour serve? And of course, and I said, well, yes, not everyone agreed that that was going to happen, but that did happen. But, but also on, on, on the real, I was asked, I was asked a question that I want to pose, I want to pose to you now, which is how are we looking for the midterms? What's your real assessment of that right now? I mean, I, I, I, I know we're always optimistic here. You're an optimistic guy. You're a winner. You're not going to cry about things and say, oh my gosh, all is lost. I know that asking this question, but just give us some context for what do you think has to happen between now and election Day so that they can't, so that we don't lose the House, and then they just stymie Trump's agenda for the rest of his time in office.

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

Well, and you all know the facts historically, midterms are tough when you're the party in power in the White House. So we get that the energy Right now, the left is driven by their, just this, you know, Trump derangement syndrome, which is a, as you all know, a real phenomena. They're driven by that. You saw there's no kings baloney they did over the weekend. And so there's some energy on the left, but we're raising money, we're recruiting good candidates. And again, in modern American politics, in the era of Trump, he has changed things. Look at our state. Our state, Ohio used to be the bellwether state in any presidential election. It was a 50, 50 state. President Trump won Ohio by eight and a half. Eight and a half. Eleven and a half. In the last three elections, things have changed. So I Don't think conventional wisdom. I was in California helping one of our colleagues and raising money for our candidates. We're busting our tail doing all the work we got to do. And like you say, I'm an optimistic guy because we're an American. You got to be optimistic. We live in the greatest country ever, so I think we can still do it. But let's be honest, it's going to be hard. It is going to be hard, but I learned a long time ago, anything worth doing is always hard. That's just the way the good Lord made it. And we're going to. We're going to stay after it, and I think we can win.

[Clay Travis]

Are you optimistic that Congress going to be able to do anything? We're in the middle of the Final Four, NCAA tournament has been a lot of fun, setting record ratings. Are you optimistic that. That Congress going to be able to do anything to help get the mess in college athletics fixed?

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

I am. And I want to. You know, Clay, we've talked about getting the Score act passed. We got to get that done because we got to get some ball and get some action on something so that we have to do it. I wanted to do it last fall like you did, but in the middle of the football season. But if we don't do something, I think it's going to continue to deteriorate. You're going to get more transfers, and people want to play 10 years in college, and on and on it goes, and it hurts everybody. And like we started here, you saw the. Just like I did. You saw the frustration with the president. I think that. I think that frustration with college sports fans all over. So we're looking to do a hearing. We're gonna. We're gonna. We're gonna bring you in and let you talk to the American people and to Congress at some point here this spring, talking about all these issues, because there's things in professional sports that I think are a concern as well. You want. You're a fan. You want to watch. I always joke, you want to watch the Browns lose every week. And football season in Ohio, for goodness sake, it cost you like a thousand bucks, twelve hundred bucks, and you still can't find him. Was it on the. Is it on? You know, is it streaming? Is it on network or is it on cable? Or do I got to do. So we want to look at that issue, too. So there's a number I think make sense for, and I, unfortunately, I think, require Congress to do. To do something.

[Clay Travis]

Well, look, we know how hard you're working. We know how much energy you have trying to get things solved up there. So thanks for everything. You're always going to be a big friend of the show and I'm looking forward to seeing you at that testimony here coming up to try to get some stuff resolved there.

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

Yeah, thanks for all you guys are doing. Take care.

[Clay Travis]

That's Congressman Jim Jordan with us talking about all of the battles going on on Capitol Hill right now. Buck, take us to the break and we'll get to some of your calls and some of your talkbacks. There's some good ones.

[Buck Sexton]

You guys are both very optimistic, I gotta say. It's a good thing. You know, your optimism is. Yeah, you too. I gotta say. You're the coach. You're the coaches for the team that never feels like they're a bunch of losers. So that's a good thing. I've been on the go a lot events this week doing all kinds of stuff and trying to, trying to do some working out, you know, trying not to get too sweaty clay. So I'm out there doing what I

[Clay Travis]

can and you know, sorry, I didn't see the photo. And I thought Carrie looks lovely. She looks like she just came from a nice, you know, great environment. And I thought Buck looks a little sweaty there. It looks, he just looks a little, must have been a hot room.

[Buck Sexton]

I, I schvitz a little bit. Ok, I get sweaty, but neither here nor there because I'm out there. I'm in the game, I'm in the fight and I need energy to do it. And this is where chalk comes in. I'm taking chalk every day here right now. I've got my chalk glutathione in my hand. If you're watching on the video, I've got my chalk box right next to me because I'm taking supplements every day. Diet, exercise, all that stuff, good sleep, that all really matters. It's critical for your health overall. But supplementation really helps and it helps with particularly energy and focus and drive. And this is where the chalk mill vitality stack can be really great. The chalk mill vitality stacks for the guys out there. There's also a female vitality stack and Chad mode. Oh, I love it. Chad mode will get you fired up, get you whatever it is you have to do. You're going to have more energy, drive and focus with the Chad mode pre workout. Go to chalk.comchoq.com Unlock Chalk's Spring Special when you subscribe with my name Buck is your promo code or Chalk will pack a free $99 bag of chocolate powder with your first Delivery. That's chalk. Choq.com/buck choq.com code buck politics, news, military

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

Oh, welcome back into Clay and Buck. So we are talking here about the situation in Iran and all of the latest that we can expect from the president tonight. Now, a few, a few things for this. First of all, Clay president saying that things are looking, things are looking great from his perspective. Overall, overall, this is a fantastically successful military mission. That's the, that's the word from the White House, more or less. In fact, here we could have Trump weigh in on this one here, let's listen to him. This is from yesterday. This is cut 11 on his Iran timeline. This is what he's saying.

[Donald Trump]

I think we're two or three weeks we'll leave because there's no reason for us to do this. Look, problem with the strait, a guy can take a mine, drop it in the water and say, oh, it's unsafe. It's not like you're taking out an army or you're taking out a country or you're taking it, they can drop it. Or you can take a machine gun from the shore and shoot a little, few bullets on a ship or maybe an over the shoulder missile, small missiles. That's not for us. That'll be for France. That'll be for whoever's using the straight. But I think when we leave, probably that's all cleared up.

[Marco Rubio]

Today.

[Donald Trump]

I heard tremendous numbers of ships were sailing through. We're negotiating with them right now. Again, we have had regime change. Now, regime change was not one of the things I had as a goal.

[Buck Sexton]

I had one, one goal.

[Donald Trump]

They will have no nuclear weapons. And that goal has been attained. They will not have nuclear weapons.

[Buck Sexton]

Clay, he's saying the goal has been achieved. Now we have to get the strait open. But he's also been frustrated with European allies here. Emmanuel Macron of France has said the strikes are outside of international law. Britain's Kerr Starmer, who makes Brian Stelter look like Conan the Barbarian, he is declaring it, not our war. So Starmer is a just in general, a very wimpy guy and letting Britain fall as a civilization. And Italy and Spain have denied US warplanes from being able to land at their bases or flying through their airspace as part of the Iran campaign. Clay so some of our European friends are irking Trump And I think we're gonna hear quite a bit about that tonight at 9:00 Eastern.

[Clay Travis]

Well, this is the big story now. Oil and gas is a global marketplace, which is important, but I think what President Trump just said is also important, which is the Strait of Hormuz. We can have pretty much free ingress, egress, whatever you want to say, through the strait. And all it takes is one bomb to potentially scare the owners of oil tankers, which you could understand if you had a ship and you knew that there was a. I don't know. I don't know what the risk tolerance. That's a good question. If we had a shipping magnet who delivers oil through the Persian Gulf, I would bet one in a hundred. If you knew there was a one in a hundred chance that your oil tanker would get blown up, I don't think you'd probably go, maybe you'd take the chances at one in a thousand. I mean, this would be good because it basically just comes down to risk tolerance. Right? How frequently can Iran have a significant enough impact on a oil or gas tanker, which you can all imagine when it hits an oil or gas tanker, it goes up in a hurry. Right? We're not talking about being able to easily put out a fire or deal with this when a drone or a missile or some sort of easy to carry device is created, an incendiary nature. So the big issue that I see here is what President Trump is pointing out, Buck, is it's actually not that impactful to the United States whether the Strait of Hormuz is wide open, because thankfully, we have created enough oil and gas independence that, that things are pretty good in terms of the United States oil and gas access. In fact, I was with a friend over the weekend who is in the oil and gas industry, and she said, hey, you know, the oil and gas people aren't really that upset that the price of oil and gas has gone up because President Trump's desired price around $50 a barrel. It's hard, a lot of you guys listening, in Texas, it's hard for the oil and gas companies to make very much money at profitably, at $50 a barrel. Gas, oil and gas, they need it to be 60, 70, $80 in order to encourage more oil and gas drilling. And so there's not a lot of people in Texas right now that are actually that upset. And given that a lot of the money stays in the United States, we have basically energy independence here, but Europe doesn't. And so the people that are actually impacted by the Strait of Hormuz are European, they are Chinese, and they have done nothing to try to put pressure on Iran to open up the Strait of Hormuz. Now there are is talk as we began this show, here is Rubio, by the way, saying cut 17. We actually depend very little. This is last night, I believe, on Sean Hannity show, Rubio saying what I'm telling you guys, which is this is not that significant to the American consumer. We're not using that oil and gas. Cut 17.

[Marco Rubio]

The trades of war moves. Those are international waters. Right. So anything Iran does to impede commercial traffic is illegal. For all these countries that love to talk about international law, it is a violation of international maritime law to impede the free flow of travel in international waters. Okay, so that's number one. Number two, it's illegal to bomb and hit and attack commercial shipping and sink them. I mean, that's what the Nazis did during World War II in the Atlantic. And that's what they're doing now to ships that they that from countries they don't like that are flagged by countries they don't like. These are terroristic acts that they're undertaking. And so the United States gets very little energy through the Straits of Hormuz. Our allies ship out a lot of oil through there, meaning our Gulf allies. And certainly countries in Asia and Europe depend on it. We depend very little on the Straits.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, so Buck, it seems clear to me that President Trump is going to lean on Europe, on China, on Japan, other countries that depend on the Strait of Hormuz. More. There are reports and I'll it's hard to even keep up because we say something and then somebody from Iran immediately says it's not true. And then there's another story that spirals out of that. But it seems to be the case that there is the potential, and we'll see what President Trump says tonight of a ceasefire from the United States and Israel. And if Iran would commit to allowing the Strait of Hormuz to be back wide open, with the idea being that President Trump by and large has already knocked out a lot of the top targets, does that seem like a fair assessment of where we are? What Iran would give up is free shipping through the Strait of Hormuz or price of oil and gas would collapse again in a hurry. And what we would do is say, okay, we've hit you enough. We feel like the new leadership we can work with. I think that's kind of where we

[Buck Sexton]

are, probably something like that. And I think Trump, he's saying this, it's two weeks or so, we'll be finished up here. He's clearly trying to keep the pressure on so that there can be some deal while the Iranians still feel like they can get hit. You know, that's, that's the leverage, right? That's the, you know, the, the knee on the, on the chest here of the Iranian regime. It's. Hey, you better, you better come up with something here or else we can still hit you. So that makes sense to me. The achievement of the end of the Iranian nuclear program. We'll see. I think he set it back quite a bit. That's, that's true. I don't know if he's eliminated that chance forever. I would, I would doubt that, especially considering a year ago we had all the airstrikes on the nuke facilities, and then we needed more strikes on more nuke facilities. So we'll see. You know, I feel like the. Isn't it in Charlie Wilson's War, Tom Hanks is talking to that guy. He actually died, I think, from a drug overdose a few years ago. A very good actor, you know, I'm talking about.

[Clay Travis]

He plays Seymour Hoffman.

[Buck Sexton]

Gustavos. In the, in the, in the movie. Yeah. Philip. Thank you, Philip. Seymour Hoffman. That's exactly right. But they're talking and he does the, you know, the man gets a horse and he says, isn't this a blessing? And he goes, we'll see. Then he falls off the horse and he breaks his leg and he goes, isn't this terrible? And we'll see. And then he's recruited for war, but he can't go because his broken leg. And, you know, we'll see. I feel a little bit of that with this Iran situation right now. Yes. The military side of it. We have shown the world that our military is so much more capable and has so much more ferocity than anything that, like an Iranian regime. So that's changed perception considerably. By the way. I think China looks at all this with the whole Taiwan situation, and they're like, ooh, these Americans are really good at this war thing. No, just saying. And we are, we are very good at this war thing. So that is clear. The long term strategic implications, what this means, if anything, for the oil markets, I think that's still playing out.

[Clay Travis]

I think that's 100%. Right. Stock market, by the way, has come back in a big way yesterday. Up over a thousand points. Another day of surging stock market prices. So the impact in general, I think, of the sell off has not been very substantial. And again, what I've said from the get go is oil and gas prices matter in a big way. And if you look at what oil and gas prices are in September and October, I think that will give you a great illustration of exactly what we should expect. I will say, Buck, I was telling you this off air Poly market, which is the prediction market, they have an 86% chance that Democrats are going to take back control of the House right now. That means if you are out there listening to us right now and you disagree, you can make an 8 to 1 roughly return by saying Republicans are going to hold onto the House. The markets are telling you that that is unlikely to happen. More ominously than that, right now, it's a little bit over 50, 50 that Democrats are going to take back control of the Senate. And I think as we get this situation resolved, the price of oil and gas is going to go a very, very long way towards how people feel about the affordability issues in the fall. And right now, Republicans, this is being honest with you, are big underdogs to retain control of the House and are now favored to lose the Senate, too. Now, could these prediction markets be wrong? Yes. Can they change? Yes. But where the markets are right now I think is always important to analyze when you try to assess what's going to happen going forward. And if you're frustrated with Congress now, imagine what's going to happen if Democrats take back control of the Congress. I mean, they're going to impeach Trump, but nothing is going to get through. You're going to not be able to get judges through. By and large. They're just going to shut down all of that pipeline and effectively the Trump presidency is going to be over. Now, he can still issue executive orders and he can still make a lot of decisions, but in terms of actually marshaling through any kind of substantive change in American law, it's going to be over. So that's to me why we got to get a lot of action done right now. It's also why Justice Alito was great, Justice Thomas great on the questions I thought they asked today if they really want to ensure that someone like them is going to stay on the Supreme Court. Similar judicial philosophy. If I were 75, I'd be thinking about, hey, is it potentially time to get a replacement that can take us to the next generation? Because I'm concerned we're going to Ruth Bader Ginsburg this look, fire, carbon monoxide, you got them in your home, you got the detectors. Do you have a plan in case of a home invasion, Now's a good time to get one together, especially maybe if you're a little bit nervous. Maybe you got kids that are coming in at late hours. Maybe you got a neighborhood where you got friends and family that stopped by. We were walking around in the house last night. I went to go make sure the doors were locked. It's about 11:30 at night. And I opened the door and my wife, you know, to make sure it was up. I thought it was open and I was locking it. My wife was like, oh, my goodness, who is that? Where she was super worried. How many times that happened in your house. Maybe you want something non lethal to make sure that you're as protected as you can be. Maybe you got kids that are out on the road. Maybe they're off on college. Maybe they got a job that sometimes requires them to be out late at night. Boys, girls, grandsons, granddaughters. Sabre can give you nonlethal products to allow you to protect you and your family. And they have so many different types of products, including the Sabre home defense launcher. Seven powerful impact or pepper projectiles. Two more than competitors. We own them in the house. Also. Pepper spray makes so much different. Get hooked up now. When safety matters, America chooses saber, the number one brand trusted by police and millions worldwide. Saber is how it's spelled. S A B R E. Don't wait for a close call. Get protection [e-mail]. that's sabre radio.com you can also call 844-824. S a Fe. Do not be an unk. Follow Clay and Buck on YouTube. Subscribe, like and share and keep the conversation going.

[Buck Sexton]

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