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Clay Travis
This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed human support is available 247 with VRBoCare. We're here day or night, ready whenever you need help. Because a great trip starts with the right support. Welcome everybody to the Monday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show. Today is one of those days, my friends, where right at the jump we've got the probably five hours of show that we wish we could talk to you about in only three hours of time. So a ton of stuff. Let's talk for a moment here. Let's lay out the, the bountiful news feast. Let's look at the menu and let you know where we're going, what we're talking about today, what the big things are. I'm gonna start with this actually. We'll get into this later. I'm gonna go in a little bit of reverse order. Swalwell is done as governor to be of California, which is a remarkable turnabout. It was, as I joked on Twitter, Clay, it looks like Swalwell was two weeks away from getting a nuclear weapon. The concerted all out Democrat media takedown of this guy. Now to be clear, this stuff is really bad. Like I, I, they were hiding what everybody kind of knew and they've known about this for a long time, but just the, the coordination of the total eradication of this guy's political future about things that they had been keeping, remember they had known for months, in some cases years, these allegations were out there. Swallow is a scumbag. I think that is very obvious. Is he a criminal? That is what is alleged at this point only. But he is done. Our friend Steve Hilton, who is running, was running against him, was his chief competitor on the Republican side. He will join us in the third hour and just talk about this because wow. I mean first off, the allegations, really, really bad stuff about, I mean sexual, not just sexual harassment, real sexual assault allegations. It was and a lot of cases, people on the record, total mess. Ok, now that's about the domestic politics front. I actually want to start us off though, Clay, and we can get to some of the latest from Trump last night at Andrew's, Andrew's joint base. But the situation with the Iran and the straight Iran war, the straight of Hormuz. So here's what happened. As some of us expected and predicted, the negotiations which went on for 21 hours in Pakistan went exactly nowhere. Iran is like absolutely not your red lines. And our red lines are in conflict. As in there are things that Iran is just flatly refusing to do that we will not Bend on either. No deal. And so Clay, this brings us to this current moment where Trump has said, ok, so you've already basically violated the ceasefire because you're at least threatening now. It's, that's a little bit. They haven't blown up any ships or anything. They haven't crossed that red line. But Iran is claiming the right to board ships to take money, effectively hold the ship almost hostage, right to take a $2 million per ship bounty. And Trump and they've mined the Strait of Hormuz too. Trump has said, all right, you know what we're going to do, we now control the Strait of Hormuz and we're going to let some ships go, but we're not going to let Iranian ships go. So Clay, we have now seen Trump say we're going to blockade you. Iran, we were being nice before, but now you're going to have a full on oil blockade. You, my friend, Mr. Clay are the optimistic, optimistic voice on the achievement of these goals with Iran. How are you feeling about this right now?
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Buck Sexton
Well, this is kind of what I expected to happen on the blockade. Arguing that Trump was frustrated with the way the media had covered this by saying that Iran controlled the Strait of Hormuz, which you, I think summed it up well by saying basically they're trying to take the straight of Hormuz hostage and effectively they are threatening terrorism, which is not a sign of control. It's just a sign that you are crazy and you're willing to extract a toll from people who are trying to be law abiding and go about the business of oil and commerce otherwise. So it doesn't surprise me at all that President Trump says okay, if you're going to be picking and choosing who you're going to allow in and out of the Strait of Hormuz, we are going to put a blockade, we're going to control ingress and egress and we're not going to allow Iranian oil to reach global markets. Now I pulled this because I thought it was significant because this is where now we go to the economic impact here. Roughly, roughly there is, and I think you said this on the program back in the day, that there that about 20% of overall exports, that oil and gas about 20% of the overall Iranian economy. But by far other than your beloved pistachios, which by the way have surged in cost as Iran is a top pistachio exporting economy.
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Clay Travis
If you thought pistachio creme brulee was fancy before, it is now the caviar of sweet desserts, no doubt.
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Buck Sexton
And so the reality is the Iranian economy basically does not work if they're not getting a lot of oil and gas brought into their, into their country. And so Trump has said, ok, instead of Iran being able to pick and choose who gets through, we're going to set up a blockade and we're going to control this. Now, the real issue, I think, is not going to be the Strait of Hormuz. I think that what will happen there is Iran will agree to open back up the Strait of Hormuz eventually, and in the process, we will unfreeze many of their assets that are frozen right now in foreign banks that allow them to do business, and frankly, that allow the corrupt ruling regime of Iran to remain wealthy. Here is, I think, the crux of all this, Buck, and here's my prediction. It's the uranium. You're right. I think that Iran will not just give up nuclear ambition or hand over the uranium, but based on what we know happened when we rescued the airman who was hiding in a crevice in an Iranian mountain and we basically built an airfield, we had to abandon some of the planes, but we established we will leave no man behind as a part of rescuing him. I think it was also kind of an interesting test because what we established is we can build an airfield, we can take our people in and out of Iran, and they really can't do anything about it. We can set up a perimeter that surrounds all of those assets on the ground, and due to our air superiority, Iran can't really get to them. So we talked about this before. It feels to me, Buck, if the uranium is seizable, if it's feasible, we don't know because it's buried. How. How long would it take to reach? Is it reachable? To me, the cinematic into this feels like Trump is going to want to seize their uranium, pull it out of the country, have a grand, huge special operation. Iran, to me, may not necessarily oppose that because it doesn't make them look weak in the country. To me, it's weaker if they hand it over voluntarily. If we take it, they can lie to their people, just say it didn't happen. That feels like some form of resolution that would be of a scope that could allow us to say, okay, this is over.
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Clay Travis
I think with the current government there, which is the same as the old government, it's just new people, if they agreed to just give over the uranium, they think they would end up with bullets in the back of their head.
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Buck Sexton
Correct.
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Clay Travis
And taking a dirt Nap forever. I think that's. And by the way, I think that's correct. So that's not happening. It's a form no world in which
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Buck Sexton
Iran cannot agree to. In their own leadership.
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Clay Travis
They absolutely cannot agree to it. They would be signing their own death warrants, I think because remember, they can agree to it. And then there's people around them who are probably thinking they should be in charge anyway. And it just gets really easy to be the one who is eliminated because then you would also have created all of this carnage and chaos to protect an asset that you then give over. No, it has to be taken. It has to then. So you're right about that. It has to be taken. Now here's where this gets to me. Interesting. All right. Iran is playing a game here too. And their game is who can last longer politically versus economically. As in economically, yes. America is the world's energy superpower. We don't get that much oil from Iran. We're going to be fine. Oil prices are going to rise and they might rise pretty considerably. And they've already been rising. No one can really predict how high that they'll go. But going to rise. Okay, but what are the politics of this look like here at home? Can Iran hold out to the point where Republicans are begging the administration for mercy, essentially saying we are going to lose 30 seats in the House, we are going to get absolutely crushed in this midterm election unless you stop this. You can come back to it later.
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Buck Sexton
Right.
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Clay Travis
This is the thing Republicans say, hold on, no one's saying, Mr. Commander in Chief, you can't finish the job, but you got to give us some kind of an agreement here until the midterm so that we're not focused in on this. And of course Iran's whole game here is no, no, no, maximum, maximum pain, maximum disunity at home. But I got to say I was, I was knew that the, I mean the Pakistan thing, Clay.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah.
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Clay Travis
I wouldn't, if they had asked me to go along just to observe, I mean it might have been interesting to go but they'd said, buck, do you want to be involved in negotiation? I would say no because it's going nowhere. It's a total waste of time. And it was total waste of time. But Trump now saying, okay, we're doing a full on Iranian blockade. That's interesting, that's now ratcheting this up and that. What's Iran's move? Either sit there and think they can wait it out or Clay, if the pain gets high enough in Iran Maybe they blow up a tanker. Those are their options. Their options are continue this game of chicken or go for the well. Not the nuclear option, thankfully, but their absolute, their absolute final option is blow up a tanker in the Strait of Hormuz and see what happens. I don't, I don't know if they'll do it. They could do it.
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Buck Sexton
So this also comes back to can we extract the uranium? But Buck, this comes back to my oil and gas.
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Clay Travis
That's, that's a ground assault with a lot of people. I mean, just to be clear, that's not like, you know, that's not a small thing. That's a big Trump is.
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Buck Sexton
I'm telling you, this is going to appeal to Trump's cinematic nature. I just. If it's doable. I'm not sure it's doable because it may be so buried that we can't even get access to the.
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Clay Travis
You know, I think it's doable. I think we would have to set up a Ford operating base on the fly.
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Buck Sexton
Yes, much, much like what we did to rescue the air, which is kind of a little bit of a test
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Clay Travis
of whether that we would have to set up. We would have to set up a cordon, a security cordon with an air corridor where we had. But now you're talking about setting up a forward operating base on the ground in a sovereign nation that still has about a half a million men under arms in their military. I mean, this is like really intense operational stuff. If you ask our Delta guys can they pull this off, they'll be like, yeah, of course. Just tell us, Mr. President, like, they'll do it. So, so it's possible, but I mean, that would be the most. I don't know if there is a more because the Iranians know where it is. So they know where they have to set up their reinforcements and set up their, their protection. You know, I don't know, man. I wonder what those Pentagon reports look like about what kind of assets the Iranians can bring to bear to try to defend them.
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Buck Sexton
Here is the other part of this, Buck, that I think is significant. This is what we were talking about with oil and gas and America being a next net exporting country now, oil and gas numbers haven't moved that much. And so even with the blockade now set up, the expense here has been priced in and a lot of the benefit it in yours to American energy companies. So it's very different. And again, the, the economic reality, Iran can't function if we don't allow them to sell their oil and gas for a few weeks here. I don't even think prices at this point would move very much. I think they're basically stable at this point in time. And as a result, I think Trump has a lot more economic power than a lot of people have recognized. And that's why the blockade move did not surprise me. And to your point, now's the question on Iran. I think if they seize the uranium, it's actually helpful and it sounds crazy to Iran because it allows them to avoid the bullets in the back of the head scenario where if they truly give up their uranium, they're in a situation where the people in positions of power there can't stay in power. We'll take some of your calls. We may have some special ops guys out there. How feasible is the extraction of the uranium, Buck? The other thing Trump would love about this is it embarrasses George W. Bush on Iraq because there were no WMDs. If he shows up with uranium canisters and says, boom, we went and took this out, it is a different level of success and it demonstrates just how different that situation in Iran was with Iraq. I just, it feels like this is what's going to appeal the most to Trump. Is it risky? Yes, but it feels like a way to end this sometime in the next couple of weeks. We'll see.
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Clay Travis
Take your calls on this. One very interesting situation playing out there and we haven't even gotten into the domestic political front as much as we will with Swalwell and all that. So you guys, we could have a Republican governor of California. This could happen. So we'll talk about that with Steve Hilton later. He's obviously running business owners Insurance is a must for your operation, but that doesn't mean you have to have different brokers for the various kinds of business insurance you need. Business operators describe a scenario with multiple insurance policies, multiple applications, and no clear view of how it all fits together. And when questions come up, it's not easy to get the clarity you need. Super sure changes that. There's one broker for all your business insurance backed by a team that works with you year round, not just at renewal. And if you've ever stared at a policy wondering what it covers, super sure has a fine print fax tool that translates the legal jargon into plain English so you know what's covered and what's not. Go online to super sure.com, get a full report on your current policies with no obligation. Find out if you're overinsured, underinsured, or somewhere in between. Go to super sure.com one powerful platform, all your policies in one place. Go to super sure.com that's super sure.com paid for by Super Sure Insurance Insurance Agency, LLC, a licensed insurance agency.
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Buck Sexton
Common sense never sounded so good. Clay and Buck owning the airwaves. Welcome back in, Clay Travis. Buck Sexton show, as is often the case, a bit of a show surrounding President Trump as he was just having a press conference outside the Oval Office immediately preceding it in order to focus on his no tax on tips policy. He had a door dash delivery to the Oval Office from a grandma named Sharon and the president gave her $100 bill as a tip, which Sharon was very happy about, I'm sure. Buck, actually, I don't know who has the job, this is very funny of contacting doordash and doing a search on the best doordash delivery for President Trump to get his McDonald's at the White House, obviously going through security. I presume that they also would prefer that it be a Trump supporting doordasher in the D.C. area who is unlikely to throw a huge crazy fit when they're knocking on the door of the Oval office to deliver McDonald's to the president. But this happens, Buck, and then he steps outside, still standing next to the Grandma DoorDash McDonald's delivery person, and has a press conference about what should happen next with Iran. So all of this is happening in real time. And let's see, we've got a couple of different cuts there. We mentioned that Trump said either Iran gives up what he called the nuclear dust or we will take it. Trump also addressed Buck. He got into going back and forth with the Pope. He also, from his Truth Social account, shared a image of himself that looked like Jesus. Trump addressed that and said, hey, I thought that the Jesus picture was depicting me as a doctor. This is Trump, 36. I'm sorry, come on.
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Clay Travis
Mr. President, did you post that picture of yourself depicted as Jesus Christ?
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Donald Trump
Well, it wasn't depiction, it was me. I did post it and I thought it was me as a doctor and had to do with Red Cross, as a Red Cross worker there, which we support. And only the fake news could come up with that one. So I, I had, I just heard about it and I said, how do they come up with that? It's supposed to be me as a doctor making people better. And I do make people better. I make people a lot better.
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Clay Travis
All right.
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Buck Sexton
I thought it looked like him as Jesus, but he has deleted the image. So Trump says he thought he was being depicted as a Doctor not, not as Jesus.
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Clay Travis
Okay, let's just, let's just all be, let's all be upright. Trump knew that he wasn't a doctor, but this is the most Trump thing ever. He's like, all right, whatever. I thought it was a doctor. He knows and we know, but he also knows that this now is kind of an off ramp, people. That felt like it was blasphemy. And I know people would feel that way. They, they can, you know, he's, he's created a, a fig leaf, if you will, of, of plausible deniability on his I am Jesus thing. So there we can all move on. But it's, he's doing this with a smile on his face. He knows what's going on.
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Buck Sexton
He did not apologize to the Pope. So the Pope versus Trump feud is, is ongoing. But he did, we said earlier, either they give it up, meaning the nuclear dust, as he called it, or we take it, which I thought was the most significant news. But he was also asked what happens if we don't have a deal with Iran by the time the cease fire is over. Here is cut 38. President Trump responding to that ideal is
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Clay Travis
not reached by the end of the ceasefire. Does your threat from before still stand?
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Donald Trump
Yeah, I don't want to comment on that, but it won't be pleasant for them.
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Buck Sexton
It won't be pleasant. He said he didn't want to comment on it. He also Buck commented on Cuba, which Venezuela. If you wonder how things are going in Venezuela, it's going so well that nobody's even writing about Venezuela at all. Cuba remains unclear exactly what's going to happen there, but Trump addressed that cut 37. He was asked about Cuba.
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Donald Trump
Cuba's another story. Cuba has been a terribly run country for a long time. It's got a bad system. It's been very oppressive, as you know. And we have a lot of great Cuban Americans, all of whom just about voted for me. And they were treated very badly in many cases. Family members have been killed, they've been beaten up and mugged. And like, terrible things happened in Cuba, and Cuba is a failing nation. And we're going to do this. And we may stop by Cuba after we're finished with this. But Cuba is a nation that was just been horribly run for many years by Castro.
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Buck Sexton
Okay. Now we said that we would, Buck, talk about the Swalwell implications. And so at the top of this hour, let's dive into this a bit. Steve Hilton, top of the third hour. So Eric Swalwell, Congressman, many of you know him he's been one of the most virulently anti Trump forces for the last decade. Basically, his entire political career is based on being anti Trump, I would say, before this.
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Clay Travis
Most famous for his escapades with Fang Fang, the alleged Chinese spy.
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Buck Sexton
Correct. And. And obviously he was able to stay on the House Intelligence Committee. He was kind of a pit bull, fair to say, for Nancy Pelosi represents the Bay Area suburbs. And things are not going well. So, look, we talk a lot about the midterms and where things are setting up, and it is going to be right now. It appears a challenging environment for Republicans, as is often the case when you are in the White House. Now, in California, though, a lot of the time, the two leading candidates have been Steve Hilton and Chad Bianco, who is both. Both of those guys are Republicans. And Eric Swalwell had been the leading Democrat candidate. He had been endorsed by the teachers unions, by a lot of the other labor unions, and he was in a position where it seemed like he was going to advance to the runoff. And then, Buck, I want to get your read on this. It feels like basically the Democrat Party just ordered a Code Red on him. I. I don't. I don't buy that they had no idea about his behavior or that there were a lot of stories. In fact, he had been asked about them when he was seeking all these endorsements, and his response had always been as anti Trump as I am. Don't you think those stories would have come. This is paraphrasing him as anti Trump as I am. Don't you think those stories would have already come out if they were there? Well, a bunch of these stories have come out, so among them, one of his former aides accused him of sexual assault. And then there are other allegations, as we have talked about, that basically he was engaging in extramarital affairs and sending pictures of himself.
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Clay Travis
Naked photos of himself, part of himself, not. He wasn't taking selfies of him, his
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Buck Sexton
face, at least genital photos. I don't know. What can we say on this? Penis pics. Can we say that I said it to. To women that he was not married to, which is pretty reckless for anyone in Congress, much less when you are married and one of the leading contenders to be the governor of California. So, Buck, it feels like to me, Democrats basically decided we're going to order the Code Red on him. I will say this. Unlike the way that he treated Brett Kavanaugh and unlike the way that he treated President Trump, I think he's entitled to a presumption of innocence here. And you can read these allegations skeptically.
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Clay Travis
I just, I just want to say he was a believe all women guy when he was trying to destroy Brett Kavanaugh's life. On absolutely baseless, absurd, fantastical, fantasy level allegations against Kavanaugh. No intelligent, per, no intelligent, honest person believed that Kavanaugh was a serial gang rapist all throughout high school. And this was just coming up, by the way. This, it was really, I've said this, it was a political 911 moment for me, the whole Kavanaugh thing. It was when we realized a lot of us that the era of Trump as a brass knuckle brawler against the other side was so very, very necessary.
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Buck Sexton
Yes.
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Clay Travis
Because they have no scruples. The Democrats have no willingness whatsoever to abide by fair play, decency, basic ethics. They all knew that Kavanaugh, by the way, Kamala Harris was a big part of it too. Don't forget that everybody. Kamala Harris was a big part of it. But Swalwell was a believe all women guy, which is on its face an absurd and antithetical to our justice system.
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Buck Sexton
Yes.
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Clay Travis
Way of approaching cases. Of course. This is, this is, this was insane. And it was one of the ugliest things I've ever seen in American politics. It was the ritualized humiliation and degradation of a manifestly innocent man. With Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh not, not guilty. Innocent. It was clear he did none of these things.
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Steve Hilton
Ok.
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Clay Travis
The woman couldn't remember the year, said she had two. Couldn't fly. But actually didn't know where the house
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Buck Sexton
was, didn't know what year it was.
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Clay Travis
Blasey for Liar.
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Buck Sexton
Yes.
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Clay Travis
A liar. Okay. And the others were lunatics. Lunatics.
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Buck Sexton
And, and I would just say this, Buck. I mean, even if that had all been true, this is the way I always kind of approach it. Are you telling me that trying to make out with a girl when you are. Because, I mean, it was a high school party, it's 40 years ago or whatever the heck it was in the 1980s in, in Washington D.C. it wasn't even a crime. Like, even if everything that she had alleged was 100 true, which is one of the ways, like when you're a lawyer, you say for purposes of, you know, does it withstand summary judgment, presume that everything is true. Even if it had all been true, it wouldn't have been a crime. I don't even think it would have been disqualifying for being a Supreme Court justice if, even if you accept everything. But he was a believe all Woman, which is ludicrous. I'm giving him what he would not, which is. I read these allegations, Buck, and I think that I'm kind of skeptical of the crime of the criminal ones.
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Clay Travis
Yeah, so. So there's two different things here. There's criminal stuff and there's unbecoming of and you know, unfit to be in office stuff. Right. Those are two separate categories. I mean, they obviously cross over. If you're doing crimes, you're also unfit. But there are things that don't rise to. Now it can be if you're sending like, like because Anthony Weiner, which you can't make up, that that was really his name, given what went on here. I mean, you know, just putting that aside, I'm not trying to be childish or you know, but it really was absurd. But that guy was sending wiener photos.
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Buck Sexton
Yes.
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Clay Travis
To a underaged girl and knew. Knew she was underage. That is a crime. And he got, he got nailed on that, as he should. But with this sending those unsolicited. Also, I think Ann Coulter actually put this out on who we had on recently, did a great job on the border stuff. But she said it's almost always unsolicited.
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Steve Hilton
Right.
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Clay Travis
Like if you're a stranger. How many strangers are like, you know what I want from this congressman right now? A photo of his man parts.
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Buck Sexton
This is.
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Clay Travis
I don't think that's a thing. I don't think women really ever want these photos.
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Buck Sexton
This is the big one of many major differences between men and women. Men would always like to see a naked photo. So I think in many men's minds this is like something that women desire as much as men desire. So. So having said all of this, wait, they.
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Clay Travis
Women. Women never want these photos. And men generally are like, hey, men
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Buck Sexton
in their head are thinking, oh, because men want to see naked photos of women. Either one of two things. Women are as interested in naked photos as we are, which is almost never true. Or he's thinking, if I send her a naked photo, she's going to send me a naked photo back. If I were in his head, that's what I would expect. That, that he was thinking. Having said all of this, this was not well kept secret. Buck. Everybody on Capitol Hill was aware that this dude was chasing chicks. And they didn't care until they started to see there might be a political cost to the party writ laws based on his behavior.
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Clay Travis
They were covering this up. They were covering it up for years because he was useful. The second he became a political liability, to use your phrase, here. Or to use Tom Cruise slash, Colonel Nathan R. Jessup, United States Marine Corps, Guantanamo Bay, Cuba's phrase, the Code Red. They ordered the Code Red on him, and it's so interesting to see why. And we'll talk to Steve Hilton, who's his primary Republican opponent in that California governor's race in the top of the next hour. But Clay, what this tells you is that if he was free and clear to be governor and if he was going to sail through and win this election without causing any problems, do you think they would have done this? No, because I believe if he can win, even if this came out after he was in office, they would say, first of all, it wouldn't come out this way. So they would, they wouldn't run that. They, this was a total destruction campaign to take out Swalwell from this governor's race and they were effective in doing so. But the reminder for everybody, this is not about what is honest or ethical or good. So funny. Do you see Stelter? It's like, this shows the power of journalism. I'm like, stelter, honestly, man, I'm going to send you TRT in the mail if it's something I could do. Like, we can't have this anymore.
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Buck Sexton
Power of journalism. They know they were. Here's what I think happened. I think that the other opponents on the Democrat side got wind of this. I think the Katie Porters of the world said, if this doesn't come out now, then the story will come out after he's the nominee and it might cost us the governorship. And the Democrat Party ordered the Code Red. They said, hey, we're going to stop protecting him. Now it's time to take him out. That's the way I think this went down.
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Clay Travis
Well, I, I, yeah, I think there were concerns, so that's interesting. I think there were concerns that he was splitting the vote and that at the end of this, it was going to make a Republican much more viable. You think because, Clay, there's no Republican infrastructure to run this story. We couldn't run this story. No, the only reason it, you know, the only reason it takes him out is because it was New York Times and Politico and it was home team.
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Buck Sexton
San Francisco Chronicle initially broke it on Friday.
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Clay Travis
So who's going to come out with this, though? Who's going to come out if he's up against a Republican and a general, if it's one to one and they're the two from the jungle primary? San Francisco Chronicle doesn't do that. No way. You think no way they run this to give it to a Republican.
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Buck Sexton
I think Katie Porter went to them. We'll talk about this. All right, let's hear.
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Clay Travis
It was definitely a code red. The question is, what was the thinking of the people running it?
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Buck Sexton
Right.
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Clay Travis
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Buck Sexton
along this common sense to family and friends. Clay and Buck owning the airwaves.
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Clay Travis
Third hour of play and Buck kicks off with the one and only Steve Hilton, everybody. He is running as a republican for governor of the beautiful state, the poorly governed but beautiful state of California. And Steve Hilton is with us now. Steve, busy times, my friend. Thank you for coming here. We have been early Steve Hilton adopters, you could say, in this whole process. Been having you on now from the very beginning to get the word out to our very large audience of Californians who are behind liberal lines there and listening in to what's going on here on Clay and Buck. Let's start with. We gotta just start with this. The Swalwell situation. Was this a surprise to you when it hit? And why do you think it hit now?
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Steve Hilton
Yeah, thanks, guys. I mean, the timing was definitely a surprise, but the fact of it was not at all a surprise. This has been an open secret for as long as, certainly for me, I've known about this. People talk about it, including Democrats in Sacramento, for as long as he's been in the race, probably longest. An open secret on Capitol Hill, certainly in Sacramento. And it just shows you the fact that despite that, he got the endorsement of the big, the teacher unions, the seiu, Adam Schiff, all these Nancy Pelosi acolytes. It just shows you how corrupt, cynical and arrogant these people are. These career politicians who just think they can get away with anything, doesn't matter what they say or do, there'll be no consequences. It's the kind of arrogance you get from 16 years of one party rule in California. Honestly, all they care about is their power. Just think about all their endless lectures on, you know, women's rights, the war, gender equality, MeToo, blah, blah, blah. They don't believe any of it. It's all about their power. The machine was moving behind Swalwell. Actually, everyone expected him to get the machine's endorsement even with all this going on. Finally it came out. I didn't expect it, but it's very good news because it means that when it kind of clarifies the situation somewhat. And the thing that it really shows is that we are so desperately in need of change in California. There's this sort of collapsing of the California Democrats into chaos and sleaze and scandal. Just another really powerful indication of why we so desperately need change.
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Buck Sexton
Why did it happen? Now, Buck and I have been discussing, debating, contemplating why at this point he was the leader. Do you think there was a fear that he was going to be the nominee and that it might come out after he was one of the two finalists. Do you think this was Katie Porter? Do you think it was Tom Steyer? Where did this come from? Now, as you said, the rumors have been out there for a long time about him. He even addressed them in some of his endorsement interviews. Reports are, why now?
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Steve Hilton
So I don't know. But what I'm hearing very strongly, including from, from people I know on the Democrat side and from reporters following the race, is that it's Tom Steyer. That's what people are saying. Now, just to be clear, I have no evidence for that. But that is what everybody is saying, that it's Tom Steyer who's got unlimited money. You know, he's this billionaire climate fanatic. As we know, he's already spent over $100 million on his race just in the last few months with these endless ads that are driving everyone crazy in California. It's lifted him up from 2 or 3% to 10 or 11%. So it's kind of working for him in a pathetic sort of way, you could say. And he's spending money on this kind of thing as well. Katie Porter, by the way, blames Tom Steyer for the leaking of all those videos of her berating her staff and so on. She thinks that's Tom Steyer and she thinks there's more of that to come. And so I don't know. I'm just reporting what I hear.
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Clay Travis
This is remarkable stuff. And now we see what a total message, although we're not surprised at all that the Democrats have been willing, Democrat media, I should say, well, all of it together, the whole apparatus to keep this stuff under wraps. As you said, it has been known that he's sketchy for a long time. I remember doing Tucker's show on Fox years ago, and Tucker just couldn't stop laughing about the Fang Fang thing. So, I mean, this is. There's been a lot of smoke before this fire came out. A lot of people very much dialed in on Swalwell being a sketchy, a sketchy fellow in terms of the other. So you think it's stier because again, the timing of this. Why not keep him off the ballot entirely? At some level, Incompetence here among Democrats, I think is something we shouldn't keep off the table. Right. Meaning that they just this happened. They weren't paying close enough attention and then it came up later on. But what does this do? Explain now the rest of the field. So Swalwell is out. Can you take us through the reordering? I believe you're at the top of this whole thing, the reordering of the candidates and how you think this shifts the race.
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Steve Hilton
Yeah. So remember, we got this top two system, which is ridiculous. The top two candidates go through regardless of party. For most of this year, the top two candidates have been me and the other Republican. And I've been leading and my lead has been growing, but it's pretty much been the top two a couple of times. More recently, Swalwell's been in the top two. A lot of Republicans have therefore been saying, oh, this is great, we'll have two Republicans in the top two. And that means we're guaranteed a change in California. I've always said that that's a fantasy, that the Democrat machine is not just going to hand over California. They'll spend whatever it takes to make sure that there's a Democrat in the top two. The unions will They've got tens of millions of dollars or Styer. So I always said the more important thing is to make sure there's a Republican in the top two by ensuring that we don't split the vote and make sure that there's one strong lead in candidate. Now, for most of this year, I've been leading not by much, but two, three points ahead. That lead has been growing in the last couple of weeks. So for example, there were two polls last week. One had me 19%, everyone else 13 and below. Another one, ironically, from Eric Swalwell's backers, had me at 22%, Swalwell at 18, everyone else 12%, 13%. And those polls were taken before the big news last Sunday, on Easter Sunday, that President Trump had endorsed me in the governor's race. That's a huge moment. And so we can expect my lead to grow and consolidation to happen on our side. On the Republican side, that's very important because what you might also see is the Swalwell support, let's call it, I don't know, 15, 16% split evenly. It's not obvious to me where that would go. Either Tom Steyer or Katie Porter, I don't know, maybe some of the other lower polling candidates, but in other words, Steyer and Porter, you would expect to move up a bit. And that's why it's very important we make sure that we have one Republican and get behind me. That's been my message for weeks now. It's even more important now as you're going to get a consolidation on the Democrat side. My expectation right now is as we move towards election day, remember, ballots go out in three weeks in California. You're going to see a kind of top three emerging, which is myself, Tom Stier and Katie Porter. And the most important thing is we don't let that top three become a Democrat top two.
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Buck Sexton
We're talking to Steve Hilton running for governor of California. Ballots go out, as you just heard from him, in just a few weeks. And the actual primary is on June 3rd. You're campaigning all over California. We taught we not only have talked about Eric Swalwell, but the situation in Iran. There are more expats from with Iranian backgrounds in the LA area probably than anywhere else in the country. I'm curious, what are you hearing about Iran in California when you're out on the campaign trail?
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Steve Hilton
It's a hugely energizing factor. I mean, there's, you know, I don't know the exact number, but like hundreds of thousand is over a million across the State, half a million. Louisiana, the largest city outside Iran of rain is. It's a really, really big community here. Very powerful, very important voice in our state and in politics. All now 100% pretty much lined up behind President Trump, appreciative of what he's done. And I see it all over. I was actually last Sunday before the president's endorsement, I was at a major Iranian event for the end of New Year Nowruz in the Bay Area. Fantastic reception there, where I made the point that, you know, I'm not in. I don't know what's going to happen in Iran, but we are certainly fighting for regime change here in California, making that connection, and it's really powerful. Ella, we've got two major events with the Iranian community in L. A just coming up in the next couple of weeks. It's a very, very big part of the story.
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Clay Travis
What are the dominoes, politically speaking? We're speaking to Steve Hilton, everybody. He's running for governor in California. Republicans in California now is your chance to step up and try to change things. He says regime change in California, which is a very good way to put it. What are the dominoes, Steve, that have to fall in your favor for this to go from you at the top of the pack to you winning the governor's mansion? I mean, you know, is it some concession from the police union? Is it independent voters in the California interior? I mean, just take us through a little bit of what has to happen for you to actually win this thing.
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Steve Hilton
Top of that list is a really strong Republican turnout, because actually, if you look at the numbers, I make this point all the time. If you just try and project the turnout in the November election here in California by taking an average of the last two, 2018 and 2022, the total number of votes, as an estimate, is 11.7 million. That's the total. So to win, you need just over half of that, call it 5.9 million. President Trump in California in 2024 got 6.1 million votes. In other words, there are enough Republican votes in California for me to win just with Republican votes, if they all turn out. Now, of course, it's very hard. It's not easy to get a, a presidential year turnout in a midterm election. But that's the starting point. And we've got two very, very powerful things going in our favor for that, because on the ballot this November in California as well as all the candidates, will be two ballot initiatives that Republicans particularly are enthusiastic about. Number One is Save Prop 13. That's a taxpayer protection measure, particularly on property taxes. And the big one really is voter id. So whatever happens with the Save America act in California, we'll have the chance to vote for voter ID this November. That's a real turnout driver among Republicans. So that's going to be very important. But beyond that, of course we want to build our support beyond the Republican turnout. And I think that my simple message, which is, you know, you can capture it in one word. That's what we've been doing, taking up and down the state califordable. Making our state califordable with a very specific plan. $3 gas. Cut your electric bills in half, your first hundred grand tax free. No more free health care for illegal immigrants so we lower health care costs for you. A home you can afford to buy. That goes way beyond party lines. It's just common sense, pragmatic, positive, practical stuff. And I think that's how we're going to win.
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Buck Sexton
Do you think there will be any more funny business? You mentioned Tom Steyer potentially as the candidate behind coming after Swalwell. Katie Porter has had a bunch of videos come out of her looking awful. She's also got the boiling water and potatoes poured on her ex husband's head. Story not exactly a very likable person. How much more funny business do you think is coming in this race?
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Steve Hilton
Yeah, they there there's a lot of expectation that Katie Porter is next because there really is this assumption that Tom Steyer has been behind this and that there's plenty more to come out on Katie Porter. So I'm sure she's steeling herself for that. We'll see what it is whether it's different or just more of the same that we've seen from her. My argument is it honestly doesn't matter who they send because we're sick of these people. This corrupt Democrat machine. On the policy front, it's a total disaster. We've got the highest poverty rate, highest unemployment rate, highest cost of living in the country. None of them offer any kind of change from what we've had. And so in a way it doesn't matter. But I don't know, I think we're probably going to see Tom Stier splashing more of the cash. You know, he's already spent, as I said, Over 100 million is probably going to double that in the next month or so, including some dirty tricks on Katie. That's what I'd expect.
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Clay Travis
Can I just ask you to bring us up to speed on something? You're talking about regime change In California, which I love. And you're talking about making things affordable for people, which might stop. I got to say, I don't know if I want that to happen in some ways because you're just driving up the Florida housing prices so much. And as an owner down here now, I'm loving all these Californians who show up like, I'll pay anything. I just, I just need to escape the madness. But to give people a sense of how this is all actually going in your state. Bring us up to speed with the latest on the Palisades fire and the LA wildfire rebuilding situation. Because I remember Gavin Newsom saying, we're going to pull all that red tape aside, we're going to make this so easy. It's going to be like a Swiss watch, I'm hearing, not so much. Steve, how's that going?
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Steve Hilton
Nothing. In fact, one of the Iranian events that we're going to be holding in the next couple of weeks is in the Palisades in the ruins of a house that hasn't been rebuilt because no permit. You know, it's just unbelievable. You go, there's something, a little bit of construction going on. But what's really outrageous is the fact that they are absolutely using it to push the ideological agenda of replacing a beautiful single family neighborhood with apartment buildings, low income apartment buildings. That is what they're pushing. And so there is this sense that these people are just ideologues who absolutely don't care about deliver, you know, just doing what the basic job of government should be, which is get out the way, provide the basics so that people can live their lives. No, they're constantly pushing this ideological agenda. So in a way, it's now worse than the incompetence of not issuing the permits. And of course the incompetence that led to the fire in the first place. It's the actual exploitation of this for an ideological agenda to change the character of the Palisades that's got people so enraged. And I'm seeing it in the events we're doing in la. There's one this week which is, it's an event that we're doing which is mainly Democrats, including some very surprising people who've been completely lockstep with the Democrat supporters and fundraisers and donors for many, many years coming along to my hosting and holding events for me in la, there's something going on in California. I really feel it more and more every week that people are sick of what's been happening. And I think the Swalwell thing just Adds to that, they're just disgusted by it, honestly. And oh my gosh, these people have been in power too long. Time for a change. It's going to be very powerful feeling. And then. But one thing I haven't even mentioned, which is the fraud. The fraud story is huge in California. And that's why the whole, you know, I just had on my podcast John Coupol, who's the president of the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association. Some people might Remember back in 1978, it was called the taxpayer revolt in California. And it led to a ballot initiative, Prop 13, that put a limit on tax increases and property tax in particular. I feel like we're heading for another taxpayer revolt in California as people see, you know, we pay the highest taxes in the country for the worst results. And now you see where your money's going siphoned off into fraud and theft and financing. The Democrat political machine. People are really fired up and enraged by that. That's going to be a big factor as well.
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Buck Sexton
Good stuff. As always, we encourage you. Get out and vote. Steve Hilton. Three weeks from now. Ballots are out. June 3rd is the primary. We appreciate the time. Keep up the fight.
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Steve Hilton
Great to be with you guys. See you soon.
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Buck Sexton
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Clay Travis
All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. We got a lot of calls, a lot of talk, a lot of things here. Clay, who? Who on the Live calls did you want to get to straight away? You've got the live call screen in front of you there.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah. The live score. The live call screen has been flawless for two and a half hours and legitimately is now not up.
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Clay Travis
But okay, that sounds about right for live radio. Nice. Let's do some talk backs maybe then. What do you think?
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Buck Sexton
If we could pull back up my call screener so that I can type people up and let them in. We do have a ton of talkbacks, Tom and wait.
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Clay Travis
Tom and Tampa is the first call. Let's do Tom and Tampa because he's waiting patiently. Go ahead, Tom.
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Caller Tom from Tampa
Yeah. Hey. Hey, Clay. Buck, I've got two very, very important points. I wanted to just reinforce Clay's original point about that with the uranium dust, there could be some sort of deal behind the scenes with the Iranians where Delta goes in and takes it, but Iran can save face. And the historical precedent for that, and I'm sure Clay probably knows this, Buck, you probably do, too, being CIA, is that there was a secret deal with President Kennedy behind the scenes with the Soviet Union to pull the Jupiter missiles out of Turkey. So there's a historical precedent for this. And the second part, which dovetails off my first point, and this is very, very important, is that President Trump, with Maria Bartiromo, I believe it was yesterday, did confess that we know exactly where the dust is and we're looking at it through satellite technology. Now, whether any of that's true or not, I'm not going to comment on, but I am going to tell you that the one point feeds into the second point and really reinforces Clay's original theory, if that makes sense.
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Buck Sexton
Thank you for the.
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Clay Travis
That's very interesting. I appreciate that. I think the. I think the Jupiter missile turkey analogy is unfortunately kind of miles away from where we are. It is a.
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Buck Sexton
It is a back door or backroom
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Clay Travis
agreement to do something. But this is. The Iranian regime considers its nuclear pro. We have gone through this for over 20 years. The whole point is they will not relent on this issue. It would be to have an equivalent. It would have to be that the Soviets agreed to give up their nuclear program, which they would obviously not have done. So there's no way the Iranians are going to say, you know what? Come and take our stuff and we'll pretend like, oh, no, don't take our stuff, but like, we really want you to take our stuff. The only. Because, Clay, if they were willing to do that, then I think they'd be willing to just come up With a deal, they'd be more willing to at least extend things out and be less bellicose about all this. Yeah, we'd be hearing about it if they were reasonable. I don't think these are reasonable people were we're dealing with on the other side, the speaker of the Iranian Parliament, the modulus, the, the national, I mean the, what's his name, Foreign Minister. I don't think that these guys are doves. I don't think they want this to go away.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah, I think the, the way to think through it is they are, I think you said earlier they might well get killed if they allow, give up the uranium, give up the pursuit of nuclear ambition. So my sort of thesis on this is the way we saved the airmen, we had to build a brand new landing strip, we had to protect the surrounding penumbra surrounding this guy, dropping bombs, air superiority, all of those things. It's a rough test potentially for what might be necessary to extract the uranium. And President Trump said earlier, either they give it up or we take it, referring to the so called nuclear dust. If that is the standard, both you and I agree they're not going to voluntarily hand it over. And so that leaves us with the option of we go and take it. I think President Trump likes the cinematic aspects of this and it would serve as a repudiation of the entire WMD search in Iraq, which never actually uncovered any weapons of mass destruction. And it would represent a clear climatic end to the incidents that are taking place in Iran. So that is what I think is maybe the most likely outcome when all is said and done. There are reports, by the way, that behind the scenes negotiations continue with Iran. And as we began the show today, the newest update on the ground there is that the blockade is now enforced in theory in, in the straight of Hormuz. I should also point out the price of oil and gas has actually come down today and that also suggests that there is some form of expected settlement or there's just not a panic setting in because a lot of people said, oh my goodness, when Trump is putting in the fact that he's going to come after the straight of Hormuz, oh my goodness, the price of oil and gas is going to skyrocket today. It is up some today, but not in a massive way. And it's at the lows of the day right now, right around 92, 85 is what I see right now as I am checking the price of oil and gas down from, I think it got up to 120 in the early days of these interactions, and it hasn't gone up very much today. So stock market, by the way, up Overall S&P 500 now in positive territory for the year. So there does not seem to be, Buck, any sort of substantial panic that is setting in over. Over all of these aspects. Let's play cut 41 here for those of you. Well, that's a long cut, but.
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Clay Travis
Yeah, that's a little too long. That's a little too long. We can't.
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Buck Sexton
It's like nine minutes. I understand she's that video that went viral that maybe we can shorten the Katie Porter clip that went viral back in the day. And the Tom Stier situation. I don't know how this is going to go. Candy in Texas. Cut. J. Be careful. Here we go. Talk back.
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Clay Travis
I once had someone send me a wiener pick. What was the most embarrassing part for the guy was it took me a
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Buck Sexton
good five minutes to figure out what
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Clay Travis
the picture was of. Whoa.
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Buck Sexton
Oh, I know, Candy. This is a. We were talking about the challenge associated with Swalwell and his future. I think that one of the interesting parts about Swalwell, Buck, is the number of people that said incredibly positive things about him until this story from the San Francisco Chronicle came out and everybody ran for the hills, including, including Ruben Gallego, who is rumored to be a presidential candidate and was best buds pictured riding on camels with Eric Swalwell in the Middle East. And then as soon as this story comes out, he is absolutely sprinting in the opposite direction, claiming that he never had any idea about this. And I think the, the idea from Steve Hilton that Tom Steyer was the guy behind all of this is interesting because Tom Steyer referred to Covid, for those of you who have forgotten, as Trump's Katrina. And I think we have Tom Stier saying that in the cuts right now, Trump is incompetent.
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Caller Tom from Tampa
He is doing a terrible job on this.
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Buck Sexton
Mr. Trump is way late.
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Steve Hilton
He has no capability.
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Clay Travis
He's incompetent. I think this is a huge, huge deal because this is like George W.
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Steve Hilton
Bush with the hurricane and flooding down in New Orleans.
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Clay Travis
A total executive failure by an incompetent executive.
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Buck Sexton
Now, this is interesting to me, Buck, because Biden got almost a full year advance to figure out what he was going to do about COVID because Covid obviously hit in February, March 2020. Biden did not come into office until late January 2021. And as. As bad as I thought Trump did in March and April of 2020, dealing with COVID Biden was infinitely Worse, even with a full one year run up. And remember, the only reason they stopped making us wear masks was not anything Biden did. It was the one judge down in Florida who they finally just decided not to fight against her.
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Clay Travis
Some people are saying the greatest judge among all judges. She was a beautiful. She's a beauty. She stopped the masks on planes. I'll love her forever. I will love that woman. I've never met her. I don't even know her, but I love her. What was her name again?
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Buck Sexton
Meiselle.
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Clay Travis
Am I going to get Mizel? Oh, Judge Meiselle. Honestly, I really mean this. A true American legal hero.
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Buck Sexton
I think an American legal hero.
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Clay Travis
We would wear masks on the planes because people are morons.
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Buck Sexton
The Biden base was so crazy about masks that they needed a judge to just strike it down. And I believe she was a federal district George. A judge just issued an individual opinion, one of the most consequential district court opinions we've seen a long time, and just said, hey, this masking requirement is basically absurd. And remember, they had the audio of people announcing it on the airplane and people celebrating, like, ripping their masks off on a bunch of different airlines back in the day.
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Clay Travis
Also, Katrina is very similar to Covid in that the media was able to manufacture a whole lot more politicized rage than was really warranted. Bush declared a disaster in it. He declared a disaster. I believe even in advance of Katrina, he. He was. Within 24 hours or so, they had, you know, they. They had a massive deployment of. Of active duty troops, 7,000 active duty troops, 21,000 National Guard deployed U.S. coast Guard federal assets, $10.5 billion emergency aid package within days of landfall. Like, but the whole Bush thing was. Kanye said. Let's just be honest, Kanye said, george Bush doesn't care about black people. And then the media, that just became the thing that was their whole thing. The reality was, you know, where there was incompetence, you know who the idiots were when it came to Katrina, State and local officials. This is reality. Go back and look at the record. The people who weren't ready, who didn't have preparations, who didn't have clear lines of command and control. Yeah, you can always say that FEMA wasn't. You know, FEMA is a federal bureaucracy. It's not great. But in terms of what a president can do, Clay, I just want everyone to know this. Everyone goes, oh, that's so. And so's Katrina. It's a little bit like people with. With McCarthy and the list of. Yeah, there were a lot of communist penetrations of the government. My friends, that's reality. Do you know that? Did they tell you that in school? There were. They were all Democrats too. That's why they don't tell you that in school. So this becomes a thing, you know, the red scare. Actually there were a lot of reds. And actually Bush did not do a terrible job in Katrina. It was a once in a century storm situation with state and local Democrats being total idiots. And they blamed it on Bush cuz they made it a race issue. That's really what happened. Just saying. You won't hear that anywhere else, but it is all the truth. You can go check it yourself.
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Buck Sexton
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Clay Travis
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