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The newsletter link is waiting for you in the show notes. I'm Rodney Williams. And I'm Travis Holloway. Welcome to the Wealth Great Podcast, A real conversation about finance. Let's be honest, building wealth doesn't look the same for everyone. I feel like sometimes being broke is a cycle and that we might have to revisit that and we're not stopping at success stories. What happens when it doesn't go right? How do you cope with it? Because wealth isn't just about money. It's about creating a life where you thrive and help others do the same. Listen to the Wealth Break podcast on the iHeartRadio app. Welcome in Monday Edition Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. I hope all of you had fabulous weekends. Exhilarating day at the Masters. I bet a lot of you watched Roy McElroy with the big win markets up a bit as the Trump Tariff discussion continues in earnest, particularly as it pertains to China. We have got a ton to discuss with all of you from a variety of different perspectives. But right off the top, I know many of you have been really concerned about this, wanting the absolute latest. It didn't happen while we were on the air, but on Friday evening, Buck and Carrie Sexton became parents. Their baby boy, James arrived. Mom and baby are doing well. Buck says right now he expects to be back on tomorrow. So we can hear how the delivery went down in Miami. But the pictures are up. I know we have shared them from the Clay and Buck social account. I know that Buck has shared them from his social accounts. I would imagine that there are pictures for those of you who want to go and look certainly at those social accounts. But also I imagine that there are pictures up on clayandbuck.com and if there are not, we should definitely make sure that we post them there for people who are not active on social media at all. But that is fabulous news and I know many of you have been following that closely. You've been asking about it, and I was hoping we were going to be able to announce it before we went off the air on Friday. But come Friday evening, the official news that James Speed Sexton had entered the world came down and we're going to have a lot of fun talking with Buck about what it's like to have become a dad. And I know he is exhilarated and is going to be headed for many sleepless nights in the near future, as any dad and mom have experienced and many of you out there certainly have experienced in your life. So it's super exciting. So for those of you that have been concerned about that, really great news to start off our Monday that the baby is here and mom and baby are both doing well. So you can find pictures up on Buck's account, up on the Clay and Buck accounts and soon, if not already up@clayandbuck.com for those of you that are not super active on social media. Okay, where are we in the universe? That is awesome news. And like I said, I think Buck's gonna be back tomorrow. We'll see if that remains the case. It was out Thursday, Friday we'll be back, I think on Tuesday with a brand new baby. Okay, so let's dive into a bunch of different stories that are underway right now. I mentioned the Masters. Trump also went to UFC 314 in Miami, did an Air Force One interview afterwards. We will play that for you coming up. Pennsylvania governor, this is an awful story. Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro had someone break into his house and try to burn down the Pennsylvania governor's mansion. I've got a lot of thoughts on this. They have arrested the suspect and his motivations remain unclear. But at a bare minimum, and I'm surprised more people are not talking about this angle, what a complete failure by the Pennsylvania security that is supposed to be protecting the governor of Pennsylvania. This guy was able to get into the governor's mansion and evade all security and nearly burned down the governor's mansion. I've seen the footage of this and it is absolutely indefensible that this could have been allowed to occur. I'm glad the governor and his family are okay, but I would imagine that he and certainly his kids and his wife are terrified. This shouldn't happen. We will talk some about that. Bill Maher made a major statement by going to visit Donald Trump. We have some cuts from him. Kid Rock set up that meeting and I thought Bill Maher addressed it very well on his Friday show. We will talk about that crazy woman Taylor Lorenz loves Luigi Mangione. And this is indicative of the broken moral code of many people on the left wing in this country. And we're going to play some of those cuts. Stephen A. Smith, ESPN $20 million a year talent did all the new shows over the weekend and it seems like he really may run for president. That is a sign of how weak the Democrat bench is. And we will discuss all of that and more. Plus, I did Fox and Friends weekend. A lot of you, I appreciate all the favorable feedback I did. In addition to the 15 hours that we do on this program and the Outkick show and all the FOX News hits that I regularly do at a really good time on Saturday and Sunday, four hours each day, 6 to 10:10am East coast with racial Compost Duffy and Charlie Hurt. And I know many of you watched because that is a supremely popular show and many people out there watch that show on their weekends as they start their days. And so thank you for the feedback. We have no guest schedule today. I will open up the phone lines, allow you guys to weigh in. I just laid out a variety of different topics that I want to hit 800-282-2882. But I actually want to start with an experience that I had over the weekend in New York City. So I talked about on Friday the fact that I was going to go to a couple of plays solo. Weather was awful. I went to go see Denzel Washington, Jake Gyllenhaal in Othello. That was an incredible experience. Really cool to see one of the greatest actors of his generation in Denzel Washington playing the title role in a Broadway performance in a theater that does not seat that many people where you could really experience the incredible talent of someone of Denzel Washington's ability. That was really fun. I wanted to find something to do. I was in New York City solo. Weather was awful. I had to be up super early in the morning. So I don't want to go out late any for dinner or any sort of events on Friday or Saturday because of the alarms going off at 4:15 in the morning. And so I knew I had to be up early, I had to be fresh, I had to be good on television for four hours. So I didn't want to do anything late. I went to a matinee for Othello on Saturday. To the extent that any of you have trips coming up, I think that is running until mid June. I thought it was extraordinary, really impressive. I'm glad that I went. But I also went to Good Night and Good Luck, which is George Clooney's play about Edward R. Murrow and the idea being that media should hold powerful people accountable. And it goes back in time. And you guys know I'm a history nerd. It goes back in time to the era of the House UN American Activities Committee with the junior senator, as he keeps calling him from Wisconsin and everything surrounding that entire McCarthy era, what was and was not Communist infiltration in America. And Clooney plays Edward R. Murrow. And the journalists are the story and the heroes of this entire play. And it goes Back to again, 1950s era America with the McCarthy hearings that are going on in the Senate and Murrow, George, George Clooney's character plays the 1950s crusading journalist Edward R. Murrow, who is trying to stand up to McCarthy and ends up in a really contentious relationship before eventually McCarthy is is brought down by some of the overreach of his investigation. And the CBS News journalists in general are the stars of the play. You guys know, making fun of myself. I don't like musicals, so I was not gonna go see any musical. But Othello was great and I didn't Dislike. Good night and good luck. So if some of you are going on vacation or some of you are listening to us on W O R, you're gonna be in New York. I didn't have any issues with the play itself, but at the end of the play, as George Clooney is delivering a monologue, they start behind him to show a lot of different media coverage since the 1950s. And so they show John F. Kennedy being assassinated. They show Walter Cronkite reacting to it, if I remember correctly. They show on up Reagan, Berlin Wall being torn down, the 1990s era. CNN coverage of the first Gulf War, George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, Monica Lewinsky, all of the things that the media has covered. And as Clooney is delivering a monologue, he is saying that there's a line in the play where the CBS executive says, well, at some point, what if there isn't an Edward R. Murrow? They're fighting for what the truth is, and they're trying to indict both sides. There are clips as the. As the cavalcade of imagery continues. There are clips from Fox News, from msnbc to their credit. They even include the defense of Joe Biden's mental acuity as evidence of why you shouldn't trust the media. And that runs all the way up to the present day. Of course, they take shots at Fox News over dominion and all those different things. Again, it's sort of a matrix like blanket of television imagery behind Clooney as he is delivering his closing monologue in the guise of Edward R. Murrow. And then it ends. The very final image that you see is of Elon Musk not tapping his chest and then trying to gesture to all of the people in the crowd to say thank you from the bottom of my heart, which is what Musk was trying to do. It doesn't show you the tapping on the chest. It only shows him doing what was described in the media as a Nazi salute. And so it freezes on Musk for the entire theater to see. And everyone, by and large, at least 2/3, 75% of the audience gasps as if, oh, my goodness, look at how far America has fallen. That Elon Musk is doing a Nazi salute on the stay in. In front of all these people. Except it's not true, and we talked about this back in January. Again, he taps his heart and I'll admit somewhat awkwardly, is trying to salute the different parts of the arena as public speakers might do. But the way they clipped it, they left it with him, giving what they were clearly intending to show to be a Nazi salute. And the crowd gasps. And I just found it to be such a fascinating window into this sort of New York City liberal mind. And I would love to talk. I'm sure they won't. Come on. I'll have producer Ali invite whoever did the screenwriting for the play, whatever you call the playwriting, I guess, or George Clooney himself, to try to explain what their intent is. Because the entire message of the play is be careful, trusting the media and people in positions of authority, because they can easily play on your emotions and lead you astray. And then the play itself ends with George Clooney's play insinuating that Elon Musk gave a Nazi salute, which he didn't actually do. And all of the emotional reaction from inside of the play is, oh, my goodness, can you believe what this awful right wing Elon Musk is doing? We've allowed an actual Nazi to ascend into some position of power. And what I find so incredibly intriguing about this is on a beneficial, generous reading of this, it's actually the playwrights ridiculing the vast majority of the audience that is watching the play. Because you can make an argument, I don't think it's a crazy one, that they're actually satirizing, mocking the fact that all of these people think they're above being played for fools by the media. You can make that read. And if they did it, it's somewhat diabolical, and it's lacerating in its penetrate, penetrating criticism of the people that think they're the smart ones and that they're above being played. I don't think they're doing that, but that's a generous reading of what the intent was by showing that Elon Musk image. More likely, I think George Clooney and all of the other leftists involved in putting on this play are lighting the entire message of their play on fire by using an image that doesn't reflect what it actually was in an effort to try to demonstrate how dangerous unchecked government can be. And in actuality, they did an entire play talking about how great it is that the media could hold powerful people accountable. And then at the end of the play, they undercut the entire message of the play by showing that modern media is actually incapable of giving an honest portrayal and recitation of what's truly happening in the country. And the vast majority of the people in that audience had no earthly idea what the total context of the Musk salute was. And I think it's incredibly Important to talk about this and hold them accountable. Elon Musk has responded to the tweets that I put out. I'll share what Elon Musk said, but in a larger context. Some of you are saying, well, I don't know why you would pay to go see a George Clooney play. I do it for the same reason that I re read the New York Times and the Washington Post every morning. I don't think you strengthen your own arguments without confronting the arguments that others are making. I am confident that I could make left wing arguments better than most left wingers because I study and read them more. The reason why I make the arguments to you every single day is because I'm confident they're the best arguments. But you can't cover up your ears and run and hide from popular culture. You have to engage with it in order to be able to win arguments. I would argue one reason why left wingers have started to do so poorly when they're actually questioned is because they live in an ecosystem that never challenges the basics of their opinion. Which is why I think Ron DeSantis wiped the floor with Governor Gavin Newsom of California. If you remember, in the Sean Hannity debate that those guys had, because Newsom is not used to being pressed, because he lives in a world where the media bathes him in adulation all the time. Me, many of you, a lot of us who have sought out our own experiences to reach the conclusions and the opinions that we have, we've had to grapple with and consider left wing opinion in a way that they never consider right wing opinion. So I'm going to open up the phone lines, but I wanted to share that experience with you because if I hadn't gone, I don't know that very many people would be talking about something like this at all. And I also thought that gasp. That moment when the audience gasped as if Elon Musk were an actual Nazi was so revealing because they buy into things that are beyond a shadow of a doubt, not actually remotely true. And someone like George Clooney profits off it while lecturing all of us about the importance of trust in media. Uh, I just. It was such an interesting moment for me on Friday night when I was watching that play and I had that. That moment, that shocking revelation of the Nazi salute, which wasn't actually a Nazi salute, but I felt like I might have been the only guy in the entire theater who knew the full context of that. And I felt like it was so profoundly dishonest by Clooney. And everyone who was involved in the play. But we'll talk about that a little bit more. But I wanted to take you into that window of what they are seeing and what that discussion might be like. No secret here. Many American farmers out there at risk of going bankrupt because they are battling every single day to give you the best possible food. We want you to buy local. We want you to buy American cattle, chickens, hogs, thrive. This is what the good ranchers people do. They connect you with hardworking American farmers. They ship you great meats. Chicken overnight in a box with the right amount of dry ice, careful packaging. 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One serious conversation we just played the Stephen Miller and Marco Rubio response to CNN questions we will continue to run on anything having to be said in those Oval Office meetings and the rapid process by which the courts are trying to discover what they are going to require when it comes to immigration policy from the President. Last week we were Fox Business and CNBC all rolled into one. Stock market closed strong and is up so far on Monday. A small amount. And for those of you out there, I will continue to say this who have decided to get obsessed by the stock market. We are roughly at the exact same price that stocks were in September of 2024. So I've been saying this for some time. If you did not feel incredibly poor in September of 2024, wasn't that long ago. If you did not feel incredibly poor In September of 2024, why would you feel incredibly poor in April? Stock prices are the exact same and in the past year stock prices are up right at 6% presently 6.25% in the past year. Why do I bring that up? The average return of the stock market in a year is 8 or 9%. So basically in the past year stocks have done almost what stocks historically do on average. So that is the latest there. Now I want to hammer this because I do think this is a big story and we are actually very confident and consistent in the way that we talk about everything surrounding these violent acts. Last week I Came on with you and I told you, I guess it was two weeks ago. I came on and I told you, hey, I was at the president's golf course in West Palm beach. And it is a level of negligence that I found to be incomprehensible that he was nearly killed on the sixth hole of that golf course. They let a would be assassin sit for all day, and they only caught him at basically the last possible moment before he would have been able to kill the President. This came on the heels of the Butler, Pennsylvania attempt to kill the president, which came within a quarter inch of succeeding. And now we have the governor of Pennsylvania while his family was home in the house, nearly having his house burned down with his entire family inside of it. And a lot of people are gonna focus on the motivations of the crazy guy. And the motivations don't particularly appear to be logical, as is often the case for crazy people. And leaving aside what the motivations are, if you try to burn down someone's home, it seems to me quite clear that you are not a fan of the person living inside the home, much as if you try to blow someone's head off. I don't need to hear, oh, we're not sure about what his political allegiances might be. I think it's pretty clear that you're not a fan of the person that you're trying to kill. So how in the world are we allowing people in politics to be put in this much peril, regardless of what their political party is? This should be a major, unbelievable embarrassment for, for the state of Pennsylvania that your governor and his family could have nearly been burned to death and that someone could make it inside of the physical residence and not have been captured while doing so. I was stunned when I saw this story because I couldn't believe that we would have a situation where someone would be able to even do this. How are we failing to protect people in positions of prominence all over this country, regardless of what political party they're in? This is frankly unacceptable. And if you remember Buck and I talking about this on the program in the wake of Butler and then in the wake of the attempted assassination at the golf course as well, Remember, the guy at the golf course got away, just like this guy who tried to burn down the governor's mansion, but the guy at the West Palm beach golf course got into a car, drove away, and they found him an hour later only because a woman in the parking lot wrote down his license plate as he was fleeing. So we were close to a situation in West Palm beach, even one month after what happened on July 13, where the president could have been assassinated and his assassin could have gotten away, and that just happened in Pennsylvania. How much of the President being safe was just a lot of people thinking the Secret Service was far more competent than they were? And how in the world can this situation in Pennsylvania have been allowed to happen? I just. I saw this story and I flat out could not believe that we could have ever reached a situation where a governor's house could be burned down, basically, and the guy could get away. And here is the Governor of Pennsylvania, Josh Shapiro, reacting and saying what I think is actually a hundred percent true. Who cares where it's coming from? There's a profound moral sickness that's going on that this is happening at all, regardless of Democrat, Republican or Independent. Cut 21. This type of violence is not okay. This kind of violence is becoming far too common in our society. And I don't give a damn if it's coming from one particular side or the other directed at one particular party or another or one particular person or another. It is not okay. And it has to stop. We have to be better than this. I am in. I think he is 100% right. And this should not be allowed to happen. And the fact that it did, if I'm a Pennsylvanian, heck, I'm not a Pennsylvanian. And I want to know, how in the world was your governor put in this kind of peril? And you ask, okay, how does this happen? One reason why on this program we try to avoid sharing the name of mass shooters is because the data reflects that people who do this are trying to become famous and that the worst thing you can do. We unfortunately have not learned the lesson of Columbine still yet is make these people famous because they're demented and many of them are trying to compete to kill as many people as possible in an idea of bathing in the infamy of the media coverage that will follow. And this has happened with the killer in New York City of the United Healthcare CEO. And this is a former Washington Post reporter on CNN saying, this guy seems morally good, the killer, which is hard to find. I saw these two stories and I saw them directly connected in my mind. You try to burn down the Pennsylvania governor's mansion. He asks, how in the world is this happening? Well, one idea how about, we've lost the ability to distinguish between good and evil in this country, whether it's Israel getting attacked on October 7th and a lot of Americans, particularly young people, saying, oh, Israel's actually the bad guy. Or on the streets of New York City in Manhattan, a cold blooded killer is now a hero to some, including cnn, which aired this interview as part of their misinformation investigation. Listen to cut 19. To see these millionaire media pundits on TV clutching their pearls about someone standing a murderer when this is, this is the United States of America. As if we don't lionize criminals, as if we don't have, you know, we don't stand murderers of all sorts and we give them Netflix show shows. There's a huge disconnect between the narratives and angles the mainstream media pushes and what the American public feels. And you see that in moments like this. So you're going to see women especially that feel like, oh my God, right? Like here's this man who, who's a revolutionary, who's famous, who's handsome, who's young, who's smart. He's a person that seems this, like this morally good man, which is hard to find, a morally good man, which is hard to find on cnn. He killed an innocent dad and husband in cold blood on a street in New York City. Team, can you grab that little cut at the end and save that? Because I want to play it again. This is what happens when you lose the ability to distinguish between good and evil. This is something big picture that troubles me tremendously in the country right now. When you lose the ability to distinguish between good and evil, you're a country that, it is incredible danger. And I'm not talking about good or evil as, hey, what should the top tax rate be in America? Should it be 39.6% or 26.8%? That's not a good or evil argument. Tariff rates is not a good or evil argument. The guy who committed cold blood on the street is morally a good person. No, I'm sorry. I think that's a real flaw. But that's how you get to Butler, Pennsylvania and West Palm beach, assassination attempts of Trump. And that's how you get to firebombing the governor's mansion in Pennsylvania. We have lost as a society the ability to distinguish between good and evil. And we've lost the ability to contextualize. That's how this ties in, I think, as well, the play, the George Clooney play that I saw demonizing Elon Musk suddenly because you don't like his politics. Oh, he's a hero of the left when he creates electric vehicles. Oh, he wants to help Trump get elected, suddenly he's a Nazi. That's not accurate. Either. But if you brand somebody as a Nazi, you create a situation where people think they're going to be heroes if they kill them. It's an inability to distinguish between good and evil. And it's putting many people out there, good people, honest people all over the country in a perilous situation that they shouldn't be in. And it comes from, I believe, an inability, I see it directly connected to October 7th. Young people in this country, I think for many reasons have lost the ability to distinguish between good and evil. And CNN airing that cnn. A good man's hard to find and he seems morally pretty good. No, I, I, I actually think there's a lot of guys who wouldn't stand outside on the street corner and kill an innocent person, shoot him in the back. I think that there's probably a lot of guys out there that are single that pretty good guys that would manage not to commit murder on a street corner. We'll let you react to it. In the meantime, look everybody out there, you need more energy. I know I need more energy. Six to 10am Saturday, Sunday, seven straight days of work a lot four hours television show, Fox and Friends over the weekend comes Monday. You know what? I need a little bit more energy. I got to run my kids cleats out to the lacrosse game. 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Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we are rolling through the Monday edition of the program. Wanted to give credit to Bill Maher for being willing to go actually meet with President Trump in person. He had a dinner with kid Rock at the Oval in the White House after, I believe, they went into the Oval Office as well. And I want to play some of the cuts. This is from Bill Maher's HBO show. And I think what Bill Maher is saying here is what many of you have found in your experiences, either listening to Trump on this program or other programs over the last decade. I believe the number is that I have been involved in interviewing Trump either by myself or with Buck now 11 times. And so I feel like I know Trump fairly well at this point. We've talked to him for hours on this program during the course of the last four years. And what Bill Maher is saying is what I have found to be true of Trump in private. He's an incredibly likable, charismatic guy who frankly feels kind of like a grandpa when I have been around him. And let's listen to a couple of these cuts. He also has, and I think this is important, a pretty good sense of humor. He's actually very, very funny. And most of his critics don't get it. Here's Bill Maher saying he showed up with a list of insults that Trump had called him, and Trump autographed it for him, which is incredible. Listen to cut 15. Before I left for the Capitol, I had my staff collect and print out this list of almost 60 different insulting epithets that the President has said about me. Things like, stupid, dummy, low life, dummy, sleazebag, sick, sad, stone cold crazy. Really a dumb guy, fired like a dog. His show is dead. 6. I brought this to the White House because I wanted him to sign it, which he did. Which he did with good humor. All right? I mean, this is how it should be. I talked about the Taylor Lorenz. Oh, he's a morally good man. That's not how it should be. How it should be is people can disagree. Sometimes they might even say mean things. But when they meet face to face, they behave like adults. And most of the time, I have found when you meet someone face to face, you are more likely to like them, particularly when it's someone like Donald Trump. That is actually very likable. We've said on this program for a long time, look, you can disagree with his policies. I, I am 100% of the opinion that you can look at Trump's policies and you can say, I hate the tariff ideas. You can say, hey, I think we should have free and wide open borders. You can say, police are too empowered or he's taking too much executive authority. I don't agree with those arguments. But I think you can make those arguments and be a rational, normal human being. What you can't say is, he's Hitler. He is not in any way remotely similar to Adolf Hitler. Disagree with his policies. Attacking him personally is absurd. And what I have said for some time is, and I bet what Bill Maher now recognizes, Trump is an energy person. Whatever energy you give to him, he gives back to you 10x. So if you are favorable and kind, he's going to be 10 times as favorable and 10 times as kind to you. If you are unfavorable, uncharitable, cruel, mean, he's going to give that back to you 10x. Whatever you give, Trump gives back 10x. That's the lesson that everybody should have learned by now. And actually, face to face, he tends to be really good. I've said this before. I met Trump for the first time in person in October of 2020. I took my wife and my, at the time, oldest son who was, I believe, in seventh grade. Trump was unbelievable with him, Unbelievable. With my seventh grader in the Oval Office, the time he spent with him, he was just a fabulous, grandfatherly like figure. My wife, like a lot of women, was not a huge fan of Donald Trump before she met him after meeting him in the Oval Office. And she's met him a couple of times since. She loves him. He is really incredible face to face, one on one, not only with the people there, but with kids, really, really good with kids. He's met my, all of my sons, by the way. They were more interested in meeting Mr. Beast than the President. No offense to the President, but he's met all of my kids. He's fabulous with all of them, just like a good grandpa would be. And I bet if you had the good fortune to get to meet the President and you got to meet him with your kids or with your grandkids, he would be phenomenal with them. And this is what Bill Maher is saying. Bill Maher, like, kind of built this mountain of Trump as an awful person based on public Persona. And then he had to go out and tell his audience on Friday, actually, we had a phenomenal dinner and Trump was incredible. Uh, here is Bill Maher on meeting Trump cut 16. He laughs. Just for starters, he laughs. I've never seen him laugh in public, but he does, including in himself. And it's not fake, believe me, as a comedian of 40 years, I know a fake laugh when I hear it. Okay, example in the Oval Office, he was showing me the portraits of presidents and he pointed to Reagan and Said in all seriousness, you know the best thing about him? His hair. I said, well, there was also that whole bringing down communism thing, waiting for the button next to the Diet Coke button to get pushed and I go through the trap door. But no, he laughed. He got it. He has a really good sense of humor. He's also insanely self aware. Some of you may have seen me on Fox and Friends over the weekend. I'll take feedback, by the way. 800-282-2882. I'll tell you what my mom said in a moment. But I said this because we were playing some of the cuts. From the moment Jimmy Fallon allowed himself to get bullied for humanizing Trump, every comedian by and large was terrified of the general public and they refuse to treat Trump like a normal human being. It's actually incredibly unfortunate because if you go back and watch Trump on Saturday Night Live, he has a great sense of humor. I think Trump would have been really good on Jimmy Kimmel. I think he would have been really good with Fallon. I think he would have been really good with Stephen Colbert and on Saturday Night Live because unlike a lot of politicians, he actually has a good sense of humor about himself. And I have made this argument for a long time on the dictator front. Dictators don't have good senses of humor because humor requires a knowledge and nuance of how you are seen in the world that is at large. And that's why dictators require complete obsequiousness. They require that you basically bend the knee to them all the time, that you genuflect at their photo that's hanging on the wall at their portrait because they have to be seen as larger than you, more important than you. And comedy cuts everybody down to size. This is why having kids, important in many ways. I think kids tell you exactly what they think. Kids and old people, super old people, they're like, I don't give a heck anymore. Super young kids, they don't have the filters built in to say what they think. I remember, I mean, there's tons of things that kids will say. But I remember my three year old got me, got me good. About seven years ago, the youngest at that time we were playing, he said, dad, I said, yeah, said, you have old hands. I never thought about my hands in my entire life. Holding them up now for you on video, I was like, what do you mean? He's like, they're wrinkly. They're like old man hands. And I was like, I never even thought about what my hands look like before. I didn't think I was George Costanza hand model, but my 3 year old is like, you know, like, hey, dad, you know, you're not a super young guy anymore. You got old guy hands and it's that puncturing. Right. And I'll play you a cut in a little bit of Trump on Air Force One after he was at the UFC 314 with Kai Trump, his granddaughter. The grandkids make fun of him. That's healthy. Yeah, he's the President of the United States, but he's also grandpa and grandma and he and Melania. And so they have normal human interactions. I don't imagine that Kim Jong Un has very many normal interactions. I frankly don't imagine that Vladimir Putin has very many normal human interactions. Maybe I'm wrong, but this is what Bill Maher was getting at here also. He says Trump was gracious and measured and his audience is hearing what is the truth. But much like when I was talking about earlier with George Clooney and the play, they aren't able to see the larger perspective because many of them have bought into the idea that he's Hitler. Listen to cut 14. He said, you know, I've heard from a lot of people who really, who really like that we're having this dinner. Not all, but a lot. And I said same. A lot of people told me they loved it, but not all. And we agreed. The people who don't even want us to talk, we don't like. You don't talk. As opposed to what? Writing the same editorial for the millionth time and making 25 hour speeches into the wind? Okay, that's my report. You can hate me for it, but I'm not a liar. Trump was gracious and measured, and why he isn't that in other settings, I don't know. And I can't answer and it's not my place to answer. I'm just telling you what I saw and I wasn't high. That's great. And that audience, again, I encourage as many of these outreaches as Trump can do. I think if you meet him face to face, the caricature that you have built in your mind on the left is not represented by the man that you will meet. I guarantee you that. And we have a tendency in this world, and I try to be conscious of it in the way that I talk to, to build 20 foot tall caricatures of people that are just a few inches deep. In other words, when you walk up to it, it's like you can punch through it and it's paper mache. It looks like this huge statue. Oh, my goodness, look at this. This is 20ft tall. You can't miss it. And then when you're actually confronted with it, you realize there's no depth to it. You can punch right through it and you see the real person on the other side. Now, some people are fake. Many politicians, I would say, are fake because they're desperate to make you like them. They feel like if they pretend to be something, that you will like them. Trump is not that. It's why he wasn't a professional politician. He is just himself, for better or worse. And I think the reason why he had so much More support by 2024 is a lot of people saw what Bill Maher did, which is that 20 foot caricature that the legacy media were telling you that he's Adolf Hitler, that he's got the Hitler mustache that he's going to. It's not real. It wasn't in any way accurate. And meanwhile, the 20 foot caricature that they tried to create of Joe Biden, which was incredibly beneficial, when you got up close to it, you saw that that was all fake, too. And I've said in my new book that I'm writing, I think this gets to the essence of it. Authentic authenticity ends. Cancel culture. When you are the authentic version of yourself, for better or worse, you can't be canceled in public anymore because people are over it. Now, if you lie, if you are fake, if you are not honest with your audience, then you can be canceled. And I'll give you an example that just is historic. Why did Bill Clinton keep his job after he had an affair with an intern in the Oval Office? Bill Clinton slept with an internal. Now you can say, oh, okay, well, that was 1996, 1997. It's a different era, and I think that's true. But the reason why I think he kept his job was because deep down, a lot of people kind of thought that that was something that Bill Clinton might do. You didn't really think, oh, this is a guy who's completely committed to his wife. You didn't think Bill and Hillary Clinton, this is the greatest couple of our lives. You kind of thought Bill Clinton not really that much into. Hillary Clinton is probably going to sleep with somebody else while he's president. I think if George W. Bush had done it, might have cost him his job. I think if Barack Obama had done it, might have cost him his job. But Bill Clinton, it actually reflected in some way what we anticipated and believed about him. I Think Clinton was authentically himself. I think Al Gore, who tried to replace him, wasn't. I think George W. Bush was. Trump is what you would think he is if you are honest and have been seeing all of the coverage surrounding him. I think what Bill Maher experienced, it's what I've experienced. It's what Buck experienced. It's what most of you would experience if you had the opportunity to meet Trump and if you took your kids or grandkids to meet Trump, too. I'm telling you, you would really like him and he would be fabulous with you. That, I believe, is one reason that he's been so successful as a politician. He's actually just kind of a likable guy. And if you remember, before he got into politics, that was his reputation. A little bit of a bragger, a little bit in love with himself. Yeah, you can say that about Trump. I was just playing one of the West Palm beach and he had framed that he was one of the richest people in the world in the. In the locker room, all the different paintings and pictures hanging on the wall. I think a lot of rich people probably wouldn't frame the magazine cover that called them one of the richest people in the world and hang it up in their locker room. But that's Trump. And I think the reason why he's having so much more success in the second term is more and more people are like Bill Maher finding out what the truth is. Look. Tax filing deadline for the irs. Good for him for meeting. Good for Trump for meeting. Thank you to Kid Rock, Dana White for setting it up. I think we need way more of this. Tax filing deadline for the IRS a day away. If you're behind. I know. I've been on the phone with my accountant. If you're behind with the irs, fear what tomorrow or the day after will be like. Get the help you need right now at Rush Tax Resolution. Every day you wait, the IRS threat grows. Seizing your assets, garnishing your paycheck, targeting your businesses over payroll taxes, even revoking your passport. 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So we will be back together and Buck will be a new dad doing his first ever radio show as a parent. We will see how massively had it changed him, if at all. But in all seriousness, it is an awesome feeling. You guys have been fabulous online. I know a lot of you asking questions. I was seeing it on social media. The baby came in Friday evening after we were off the air. Pictures are up atclay and buck.com. you can go to Buck's Twitter and Instagram feeds and see a picture of mom and baby as well. Everything going fantastically well. Look forward to hearing more details about that from him tomorrow or if he's not able to come in tomorrow whenever he's able to return to the air. But just fabulous all around. Very exciting. And for any of you out there that recall or remember or maybe even are planning soon to become parents. You know what a transformative life experience that is. And as I said on Wednesday, I think was Buck's last day before he left. It is hard to hold a baby in your arms and not be optimistic about the future. It just really is. And I think that's true whether you're a dad or a mom or a grandma or grandpa or aunt, uncle, cousin, whatever you are. Babies are incredible gifts of joy, lots of work, and I'm sure Buck and Carrie are going to be learning that out. I tried to tell him there's people out there. You just really can't tell anybody what it's like till you actually have a baby of your own. But people say, oh, you know, we got a dog and you know, that's we're training for being parents one day. Like, okay, not really the same at all. And once you have a child, you are going to understand that there is nothing you can do to prepare for being a parent except be a parent yourself. And so I'm excited for them. I know it's going to be awesome. And he is thankful for all of the fabulous responses that you guys have already given, all the tremendous congratulations. And so we will hopefully be talking about that in more detail soon. So far in the program, encourage you to go subscribe to the podcast. Make sure you don't miss a moment. You can find me Clay Travis, you can find Buck Sexton. You can find a lot of people in our podcast network, millions of you downloading the podcast every single month. We thank all of you for listening there, as well as on the 550 some odd stations across the nation. But in the first couple of hours, we talked about George Clooney and his new play suggesting that Elon Musk gave a Nazi salute, which did not happen. We talked about Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro's house, the attempt to burn it down, and how to me it's symptomatic of a larger failure to distinguish between good and evil in this country today. We just played a lot of cuts for you of Bill Maher talking about his visit with Donald Trump and how similar his reflections are to my own, having spent a decent amount of time hanging out with President Trump over the past several years. Taylor Lorenz, Washington Post journalist, talking about her love for a man accused of murdering a dad in cold blood, shooting him in the back in a wash in a Manhattan street. And there are a couple other things that I wanted to hit with you here. Off the top third hour, ESPN Stephen A. Smith went around and did a lot of interviews now saying that he is thinking about running for President of the United States in 2028. I told all of you that Trump was going to create a lot of copycats, that there were going to be other people out there who have had success in a variety of different fields that saw Trump with no political past getting elected and they were going to try to be the next Trump. Democrats in particular, I think, are desperate for a new leader because so many of their old leaders have said absolutely insane things. And Kamala Harris, while getting raked over the coals for the absurdity of her position to give transgender illegal immigrants sex change surgeries. That was what she believed. With taxpayer money, she thought that should happen. That's not out of line for Democrats. That's not outrageous. They have said every seated elected Democrat right now truly ridiculous things, absolutely ignorant, indefensible things like men should be able to win women's championships, which virtually every Democrat somehow has lined up behind. Like cutting waste and fraud from the government is a bad thing. Like putting violent criminals in prison and holding them there is a bad thing. They have lined up and said all sorts of crazy things. So I don't think that Stephen A. Smith is particularly well versed in the political universe. But I do believe that there will be some outsiders who try to run for President of the United States as Democrats and they might in some way have a measure of success doing it. But here is Stephen A. Smith out on Let me make sure where I get where this took place because I want to make sure that I, that I attribute it correctly here, says he has no choice but to contemplate a run for President of the United States. And he said it while going around and doing the interviews on all of the different morning shows. He now is pretty firmly putting his foot forward. Let's listen to what he had to say. This is on ABC's this Week with John Carl. This is what you're about to listen cut 22. Are you really thinking about running for president? Is this something you think. Listen, I've been, I have no choice because I've had elected officials and I'm not going to give them names. Elected officials coming up to me. I've had folks who are pundits come up to me. I've had folks that got a lot of money, billionaires and others and have talk to me about exploratory committees and things of that nature. I'm not a politician. I've never had a desire to be a politician. I just signed a contract extension with espn. I couldn't be happier. But here's the reality. People have walked up to me, including my own pastor, for crying out loud, who has said to me, you don't know what God has planned for you. At least show the respect to the people who believe in you, who respect you, who believe that you can make a difference in this country, to leave the door open for any possibilities two to three years down the line. And that's what I've decided to do. Okay, so that is Stephen A. Smith, Buck has pointed out, and I do think there's some truth to it, who has run for President of the United States and actually ended up in a worse position than they were before? It's. It's an interesting question. I. Obviously, you can lose, but is Kamala Harris, for instance, who just lost as president to Donald Trump, is she really in that much of a worse position than. Than if Joe Biden had run and they had lost? Maybe you could say, oh, she could be the nominee in 2028 if Joe Biden had lost, maybe. But by and large, most people who run for President of the United States end up making more money and having more influence than they would if they had never run at all. And if your side wins, you may well end up in the cabinet. You have an opportunity to do something that is fairly substantial even if you're not elected President of the United States. Now, most people do not pull a Stephen A. Smith and walk away from a $20 million a year salary to run for President of the United States. So that's why I don't think he's gonna do it. I don't think he's gonna walk away from $20 million. And he's not independently wealthy. To be fair, running for President of the United States cost Trump money, but it wasn't a direct salary like a Stephen A. Smith has. Most really wealthy guys or gals who run for President of the United States are former executives. They have huge amounts of assets. They have tons of stock, tons of property, and they're still making a lot of money even if they're not working, because most of their money is mailbox money. It's not labor money. I'm a labor guy. I work to get paid. Most of you work to get paid. Most of you don't have tremendous amounts of mailbox money where you could stop work and your income wouldn't change that much. That's why I'm a little bit skeptical. I do, however, think that Stephen A. Smith is emblematic of, of a cadre of candidates that are likely to arise on the Democrat side that are coming from outside of politics because the Democrat Party has gone so insane that anyone elected to a statewide office, to the Senate, to the governor's race, is actually likely to have a series of really poor positions that they've taken out that would be very difficult to run on, on a national level. And eve that's even true for governors, which is why I think they're gonna have to go with somebody outside. And I do think that Stephen A. Smith would do better with male voters because he has the sports bonafide in the background. The challenge for Stephen A. Smith is I don't think he's actually that knowledgeable about anything outside of sports. And I don't mean is he going to get up on the stage and when he's asked a question about trade policy, turn it into a conversation about whether Jordan or LeBron are better. And I'm not trying to take a shot at him because he's a very talented guy when it comes to talking about sports, but he's never done a show that is about to a large extent, something other than talking about sports. I think you could have asked the same question for me before I started doing this show four years ago. And this show is a lot less significant. Significant, but it's a lot less significant than running for President of the United States. But I think over time you've said you've been able to see, okay, Clay has a strong position on what's going to happen at the Masters. Congratulations. Congratulations to Rory McElroy. But also there's a coherent political philosophy behind a lot of his arguments. I also went to law school, so that doesn't hurt in terms of being able to analyze complicated legal related issues. Stephen A. Smith, I don't buy that he would be able to be the nominee, but I actually think not having political background is going to be an asset because it allows you to change positions publicly without having to be a total hypocrite like Gavin Newsom when he tried to finally say, oh yeah, it's completely unfair for men to compete in women's sports. But the problem is he had said the opposite for some time before. There is an advantage to having a blank slate sometimes when it comes to political positions. And I'll tell you, Trump took advantage of this. The first time that I thought to myself, hey, you know what? Donald Trump is an intriguing candidate was not when he came down the escalator at Trump Tower to me, it was when Remember that first debate with Megyn Kelly when everybody watched it on Fox News and Trump was so commanding of that debate stage was actually the part that made me say, oh, this is a new kind of guy was when he criticized the Republican decision to go to war in Iraq. Iraq. Because prior to him saying it in the summer of 2015, nobody would say it. And the reason why Trump said it was one, he was right. We should have never. I don't know if anybody will even defend it now. We should have never spent trillions of dollars going to war in Iraq, just like we shouldn't have shut down schools. For Covid, the decision to go to war in Iraq and spend trillions of dollars to get rid of Saddam Hussein was a disaster. George W. Bush was wrong. Dick Cheney was wrong. I think most Republicans now believe that even if you supported it 15 or 20 years ago, it was a poor decision. Trump was the first person to point that out. It's the first time I said, oh, this is a different kind of Republican candidate. It's the first time it really got my attention. A Democrat would have the ability to turn his or her back on orthodoxy if that Democrat were not a longtime political candidate and didn't have a huge record that everybody could pick apart in the past. The attack is they don't have enough experience. But a lot of people out there saying, is the experience our politicians have actually that valuable? If you've got experience making really bad decisions for decades, does that mean you deserve a promotion? For Joe Biden, that was the argument. Got everything wrong for years, gets promoted. I don't know that it's going to work for a traditional politician to get the nomination in 2028. And that's where I think Stephen A. May have a little bit of an argument. But I think there are other people out there who have better experience in business or media that might be running as Democrats against Stephen. A United States Concealed Carry association, that's the USCCA, over 860,000 responsible gun owners as members across the country. I want to talk for just a sec about how challenging this can be. 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