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Clay Travis
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Unknown
Well, as Clay and I both know, I thought you were. It's funny, I would have thought you might have jumped right into this. This is a big subplot from the show the Wire, which I will say is one of, in my opinion, the best TV shows of all time.
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Clay Travis
Yeah.
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Unknown
If you haven't seen it, it. Everyone I know in law enforcement says for the time now, it's 20 years old. But for the period, they have the right lingo, they have the, you know, they have the right understanding of the bureaucracy. It feels almost like a scripted documentary, I think you could say. Anyway, the Wire's a fantastic show. I think it holds up. But there is in the wire a politician.
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Clay Travis
He is a.
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Unknown
A charismatic black man by the name of Clay Davis. And he gets caught up with the. The. The drug gangs down there. There's a whole. I can't get, you know, that's five seasons of a show. But what do they finally get him on? Kind of the Capone tax evasion thing. They find out that it's very similar to this. They've got them on mortgage fraud now in the show, by the way, I will just say, I am quoting the show. They call this the headshot, because mortgage fraud is easy to prove, very hard to defend, and the penalties are actually quite severe. The average mortgage fraud offender who has convicted Clay goes. Goes to prison. It is a carceral sentence, usually For a couple of years. Now, you can get up to 30 years. That would obviously be if you did this on a systematic, I think, grander scale. But. And there's state law, there's federal law. A lot of things come into play here. But, Clay, here's another thing that I think we should take, because you identified the most amazing part of this right away, which is that she went after Trump for a civil asset inflation crime, essentially, or civil asset inflation fraud. And she was completely wrong. If somebody who, Anyone who says Mar? A Lago is worth $20 million, 18 million is.
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Clay Travis
I mean, it might. It might be a billion dollar problem.
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Unknown
Yes.
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Clay Travis
I mean, I'm not even kidding.
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Unknown
I don't think Trump would entertain an offer less than a billion dollars at this point. Because when you add the historic value, plus the surge in real estate prices in Palm beach, you know, there are houses selling.
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Clay Travis
Rush's former house sold for over $100 million in Palm Beach.
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Unknown
160, Clay, I think.
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Clay Travis
And it is, or it is much smaller the scope of his property than Mar? A Lago.
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Unknown
So she was completely wrong on the facts. She ran for attorney general, promising to prosecute a private citizen, Donald Trump, which is disgraceful. And as we see in the. With the case of Clay Davis they talk about from the show now, she looks like she's got a situation on her hands. Clay, when they went after. So this story is amazing. I saw your tweet at it last night.
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Clay Travis
I mean, I saw this, and I just. My jaw dropped because I cannot imagine. Let me just say this, Buck. I can't imagine prosecuting a case against Trump if you knew that you had this in your background. I mean, it is crazy.
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Unknown
This fits into what we always say. What you always say. I've been saying it, too, for years. They accuse you of the things that they themselves do.
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Clay Travis
Yes.
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Unknown
Which I will tell you, I am just about through with a fabulous biography. It was a recommendation from my dad, Mao, the Untold Story. And you know what? One of the favorite things that the Communists do is when they're trying to rise to power, whatever mistakes they make, they accuse somebody else of doing the thing. Whatever treachery they're involved in, they accuse somebody else of doing that. I mean, it's the classic evildoer move is, oh, I. I didn't poison my rival. You poisoned my rival. This is what they do all the time. And so they accused people of doing what they themselves do. But, Clay, here's the. I think the bigger issue for this is, like I said, easy to Prove this is not going to be a he said she.
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Clay Travis
That's why I started with the first one. She lives in New York, and she's saying her primary residence is in Virginia. That's impossible.
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Unknown
Her only defense for this, if this goes, is going to be it was a Clare. Now, I, by the way, you and I both had done real estate investing, and, you know, we've bought properties, and everybody knows if it is an investment property, you have to disclose that to the bank. Right. Clay can't pretend that he lives in a house in Memphis when he actually lives in Nashville. Me, I can't say I live in Tampa when I actually live in Miami. Right. This is very straightforward. Everybody knows this. She is the state Attorney general. Of course she would know. But now, Clay, here's where we really get into it. I want to know how many people in New York State under her tenure have served prison sentences for similar time, because I promise you, there have been people who have gone away for mortgage fraud. I was working a terrorism case many years ago where the investigators realized we couldn't get the guy on terrorism, but somebody involved was involved in a mortgage fraud. And there was this whole dispute as to whether we should use counterterrorism resources. Very high end, nail the guy on the mortgage fraud, even though we couldn't get him on the terrorism charge. You know, it gets into this Capone thing anyway. I won't get too deep into that. But, Clay, if she sent anyone away or anyone was sent away under her tenure or before her tenure for mortgage fraud in the state of New York, and she is guilty of this crime, she has to go to a cell.
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Clay Travis
I agree. And there are several other things. We're going to play this audio for you in a moment because I think this is a huge story. Um, remember, she said repeatedly, no one is above the law. She also refused to allow Trump to argue. And by the way, this is 1 billion percent true. Trump had a huge team of people working on his investment papers with the major investment bank. Trump is not sitting there with a pencil going through, like, writing all the information in. He has an entire organization of people. This is important, Buck, because she's going to say, I bet I didn't do this. Somebody else filled this out for me. They just checked the wrong box. That's specifically the defense she said was unacceptable for Trump in any respect.
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Unknown
They have her on the act. It's just a question of the intent. They're going to have to argue intent on this. And with this kind of stuff, that can be Very. Especially when you're the state attorney general. You don't know what a mortgage paperwork looks like.
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Clay Travis
Ok, here's the other part of this. And she doesn't run a major business organization. I wouldn't imagine she's applying for that many mortgages. She's like in this respect a normal person. Here's the other thing, Buck. In order to get another property in Brooklyn, she said that she and her dad were married because married couples often get lower rates of mortgages than singles do. Same last name, I presume. This is also going to get hard to explain. This is a different property in Brooklyn.
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Unknown
Can I just point this out, Clay. They're going to try so hard to say that this is vindictive, that this is political payback, that this is all of these things with these crimes. It's like possession crime if they find.
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Clay Travis
Hero of cocaine for the gun thing when he's on drugs. Exactly.
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Unknown
Or this is not a. Oh, but are you within the scope of your office and the. No, no, no, no, no. There's no argument here. You either did the thing that is a violation of a law or you didn't. And they would not be talking about this. Clay, if this is paperwork, they either have her or they don't.
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Clay Travis
She's in a dead rights.
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Unknown
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Clay Travis
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Big bombshell news story. First hour was over. Letitia James, the Attorney General of New York State, who went after Trump so aggressively on inflating his assets, and the whole case was a sham. She really tried to bankrupt Trump or at least cash starve him during the election. So she was trying to subvert the election process as well with that prosecution. And as Clay and I have discussed, it was, sorry if I sound out of breath. I just ran down to check on the baby for a second and had to take a flight of stairs in one leap here. But the Letitia James prosecution of Trump on the civil case was clearly a political hit. And now we find out that there are allegations that are looking pretty solid that she herself is a mortgage fraudster. And I would just point out that our team, I asked them, and of course, our team is the best in the business. They got a whole bunch of these right away, Clay, Press release after press release.
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Clay Travis
Yeah.
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Unknown
New York, the feds, 66 months for mortgage fraud, 30 months for mortgage fraud. You know, ringleader sentenced in $7 million mortgage fraud, conspiracy, $7 million mortgage fraud. You're talking about houses. That's not that. That's not that big of a. You know, that's not that many houses, especially if you're talking about New York, it's maybe a couple of houses. So I'm sure it was more than that, but you get what I'm saying. So people go to prison for this. They really do. And people like Leticia, I bet Letitia James presided over people going to prison for this.
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Clay Travis
So I take a guarantee. She has threatened tons of people over this exact thing that she did with Cloud.
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Unknown
I have no, no sympathy or sentencing mercy in my mind at all for somebody who sends other people to prison for conduct that they themselves do. This is, to me, it's like, you have to take the hardest line on that if you're going to be somebody that's wielding that power when you yourself are engaged in the. Because it undermines so much faith that anybody could have in the system. I mean, if prosecutors. Could you imagine, I mean, what if a prosecutor says, sorry, you're going to prison for 20 years for fentanyl, but I'm going to take some of that fentanyl we seized and sell it myself on the street, because you can make great money on that. Shouldn't that person go away for a long time. Of course. Right. So we all understand the concept. Clay, now I need you to dive into this other legal issue here. All right, Lawyer Clay, put the hat on. Here we go. Federal Judge James Boasberg finds probable cause to hold Trump in contempt over deportation flights. There's. So there's so much here to dive in. First of all, the left has decided that this guy who got sent to El Salvador. Yeah, this guy got sent to El Salvador. This is like their new, this is their new cause. Right. That this individual. And Clay, just to put this in context, everybody agrees, meaning the facts are he's illegal and subject to deportation.
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Clay Travis
Yes.
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Unknown
But what they're saying is this time the way he was deported skipped a step. So they are demanding that Trump bring him back to put him through that step before he's deported. Even though everyone agrees he's deportable, there is no argument about whether he will end up being deported. This Judge Boasberg guy is a lunatic. What are you. He's going to hold Trump in contempt. What, he thinks he's going to lock up the sitting president. What is this lunatic doing?
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Clay Travis
So this is going to get complicated legally. Let me also add in about this individual from Maryland who was sent to El Salvador. This morning I saw Bill Melugian sharing a story that this individual in 2021 had a protective order brought against him by the mother of his children. So she is now saying he's the greatest father who's ever lived. Oh, my goodness, what's going on here? But in 2021, she went to the courts because she said that he was being abusive. So I just bring that up for you have a sitting senator who has basically ignored any crimes that have been committed by illegals in the United States, meaning he hasn't ever met with Lake and Riley's family or I think the Morin family, this mom of five who was killed by an illegal in Maryland. In fact, he's refused to meet with them, but he's going to get on a plane and fly to El Salvador for an accused wife beater gang leader who's allegedly, who is in the country, we know illegally. And that's who he's going to make the, the, the, the, the guy to fight for. Very strange. Okay, now let's go to. And I think it's going to blow up in their face in a negative way. But this is the new, new crisis. Right? We had egg prices, we had the stock market, we had the signal group chat. You can kind of just run through all the Things that they've tried to latch on to, to argue this is some sort of existential crisis for the country and they've all kind of faded. Okay, so this case in particular. Yeah. I don't even know how you would hold the sitting president and his administration in contempt. First of all, usually when you are held in contempt, there is and other lawyers out there can, can weigh in. Maybe some of you have been held in contempt of court before. I, I have not. Usually there is either a penalty where you can be occasionally put in jail. Right. Like you are so contemptuous, the judge decides, hey, I've got to haul you out of the courtroom. You've got to be held in a prison cell for some period of time, or there's some sort of financial penalty or there's some sort of threat about your law license and what might impact there. I don't understand how any of that can apply when the President of the United States and his administration are arguing that they have the legal authority to do this. So this is a dispute over authority. Does a federal district court judge have the authority to force the President and his administration to do anything? In this particular situation, there will be an appeal. The appeal will then go to the DC Circuit. Right.
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Unknown
Larger court hearing, they will probably go Bozberg. Because of the makeup of the DC.
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Clay Travis
Circuit, usually you get a small part of the DC Circuit and then if you wanted to, you could appeal to the full D.C. circuit. Usually they skip that. Yes, usually they skip that. There's a three seat judge review. Appellate. Usually they skip the en banc, as Buck is, is lawyerly using that phrase. And they go and go ahead and appeal to the Supreme Court. And remember, the Supreme Court has said basically nothing. Right. I mean, they're trying to avoid having to issue a ruling on this because ultimately this is about presidential powers. And I just, it, I knew it was coming. I thought they would have a better face of the Trump deportation battles than an alleged gangbanger who had a protective order taken out against him that everybody acknowledges is illegally in the country. I don't find this guy to be a particularly persuasive front facing example of Trump overreach personally, but that's where we are.
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Unknown
And the Democrats are just once again lining up, regardless of the procedural back and forth over this, you know, the sort of legal machinations going on here. They're lining up behind someone for whom it is very difficult to garner public sympathy. And so there's a political component to all of this, Clay. Right. There's a political component Where I think that they still don't get how angry everybody is about the vindictive and wide open border that Biden had for us. And they can't make us care about some deported MS.13 gang banger. They just, they can't. They really are trying hard to make this about, oh my gosh, you know, we have lost, we have lost the republic if this guy isn't returned so that he can be expelled again. Right? That's the part of this that it's like they want to do over. You know, if you were at, imagine like you're at a, like a venue, a stadium, and you go, and you walk through a restricted area to get to your seat and they come up to you and they go, no, no, we're going to make you get back up and walk through the non restricted area to get to your seat. You're like, well, but I mean, this is my seat and I'm here, so what are we doing? That's kind of the legal equivalent of what they're demanding here. There's not going to be a different result. But they want to create an additional procedural hurdle. Which brings me to another part of it. On the one hand, like I said, we saw the border betrayal, we saw the violations, the serial violations of our sovereignty by these democrats and by this system. And what we've learned is that they just don't want to deport anybody. And that these judges who are weighing in on this stuff, they actually don't want. If you can't be okay with this ms.13 guy being deported or the Trenda Aragua guys being deported, you don't want anybody deported. Which means any evildoer from anywhere in the world who happens to sneak into America has to be our problem forever. And you know what? A solid majority of the American people, the American people who are capable of looking at reality, applying common sense and seeing things for what they are, which I think is really like 65, 70% of us, I really do. I think that's what this, you know, the other 30% or so, I'm sorry, they're nuts. What can you do? But you know, the CNN has seeped too far into their brains. But Clay, they just want these people gone. They just want these non Americans gone. And you know, that's it. At the end of the day, they're, they're not gonna be made to weep over whether the guy, you know, who was joining up with Ms. 13, who wasn't supposed to be here in the first place, got every box check before he Got sent packing.
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Clay Travis
The report, Let me get this, cuz I do think it's significant, is from Andy Ngo and he has posted the actual court documents according to him and I'll share this tweet. On May 5, 2021, the either girlfriend or wife that is now claiming that he's being treated unfairly filed a domestic violence complaint against him, seeking protections from Maryland because theoretically her husband or boyfriend was behaving in a way that threatened her. And so she now says he was a phenomenal husband. I would just submit to you, sometimes there are disputes. Most phenomenal husbands don't have court cases alleging domestic violence filed against them by their wives or their girlfriends.
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Unknown
There you go.
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Clay Travis
So this is the guy that the sitting, one of the sitting senators from Maryland felt compelled to get on a flight to El Salvador to in some way try to defend. And again, this is a guy who has been adjudicated to be a member of a gang to have been here illegally and to have had a domestic violence complaint now brought against him. I'm sharing, retweeting that story right now. And you would think if we had an honest media that they might actually ask that Maryland senator, hey, you know, the guy has a domestic violence case brought against him in addition to being a gang member and also being here illegally. This is who you want to make the front facing, you know, opposition, resistance to the Trump deportation orders. I think they could have picked a better guy. Personally, I think this is going to blow up in their face.
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Unknown
Yeah, this is where you talk in politics about the optics. And they mobilize far more for an illegal gang member than the Democrats have ever mobilized for anyone murdered by an illegal gang member, raped by an illegal gang member. I mean, you know, you go down this list, what upsets Democrats more. Just ask yourself this question. The Lake and Riley horrific crime committed or this no frame of the New York Times. What is the New York Times more concerned with, Lake and Riley or this guy? And I think, and you could just do a straightforward study of it. Look at where, where, look at where there's more front page coverage. Look at where there's more focus from Democrats. You all know the answer to this, and I'm sorry, but we don't have to pretend that we don't recognize this for what it is. We'll also open it up to calls from you on this and, and get more into it here momentarily. We've watched the tariffs throw a little bit of chop into the markets, you could say, but it's settling down right now. Could get a little uncertain in the future. Here's the thing, we take the long term view here and we want you to protect yourself and the hard earned dollars that you have in savings. And this is where gold and silver, by the way, come into play. You know, there's actually a silver lining, if you will, that a lot of people have missed in the most recent tariff conversations. Gold and silver bullion are excluded from the tariffs. The administration preserved your ability to diversify into precious metals, so I think you should exercise that option. If you are concerned about the value of your savings, I encourage you to have a free consultation with Birch Gold Precious Metals right now. They're good people. I've used them for my most recent gold purchase. I've got gold coins, gold bars, and that's great for a lot of you. I recommend you check that out and speak to a Birch Gold specialist about it. There's also the Transitioning an existing IRA or 401k into a gold IRA for no money out of pocket. If any of you have, you know, you might have an old, old company old IRA or 401k, you know that has money in it, that's not going to change your life. But you know, it's thousands of dollars, maybe tens of thousands of dollars and you just go, you know what, maybe it's time to transition that into gold. A plus rating from the Better Business Bureau. Birch Gold can help you make that transition of your IRA or 401k into a gold IRA for no money out of pocket. So easy to do. Text my name buck to the number 9898 98. That's B U C K. Text buck to 9898. 98.
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Clay Travis
Today you don't know what you don't know, right? But you could on the Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck podcast, give you a little bit of a roadmap. What we've talked about so far. Encourage you to go sign up for the podcast. Make sure you don't miss a moment. We know you're busy, you're running around, but you can download the podcast. You can even listen to us at 2x time, as my wife does, which allows you to be even more productive. Letitia James. We believe that she is in significant legal peril over alleged mortgage fraud. It appears that she has lied about where her primary residence is, lied about being married to her father, of all things, and lied about the size of a Brooklyn location property that she bought. We think there is going to be a lot to come out of this and certainly it is the height of irony because she tried to bankrupt President Trump over allegations that he misrepresented the value of his property holdings, among other things. We have got strong evidence out there that Trump voters still strongly support Trump. We had some fun with that. And there are a variety of other stories that are percolating that we have discussed, including what exactly is going to happen with the Maryland gang member, alleged domestic abuser, illegal immigrant who has been removed from the country and where we are headed for that from a legal perspective. But there are two other stories that are out there that I think are significant. First, Buck, we talked about this. You were, you were out on Monday. I said, look, whoever was responsible for trying to burn down the Pennsylvania governor's residence is a really bad guy, regardless of what his political motivations were. There should be incredible, significant punishment levied against this guy. It doesn't matter whether the governor's a Democrat or Republican. This shouldn't happen, or an independent. And now there is evidence that has come out, according to Pennsylvania news reports, that the reason the arsonist acted was because Shapiro, the governor, was too strong of a supporter of Israel, and he thought that Palestinian, Palestinians and those in Gaza were being treated unfairly. This actually logically adds up in some way because I believe, Buck, you're better at the Jewish holy days than I am. This happened basically right after the Passover celebration, the dinner that they were having inside of the governor's residence. So the idea that this was just purely by chance, timing did not add up. I expected that there may well have been some connection to the Jewish faith of the governor here. And so this arsonist told authorities, according to reports coming out of Pennsylvania this morning, that his motivation was basically trying to kill the governor, who is Jewish, and his family, because he believed that they had not been protective enough of Palestinian rights as it pertains to the response of October 7th. Toxic. This is all.
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Unknown
Yes, well, it's. It's anti Semitic. It's awful. It's. It's attempted murder. It's. It's horrible on a human level because he's a, He's a man, he's a husband.
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Clay Travis
He's.
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Unknown
He's got a wife and kids in the house. I mean, trying to burn anybody down in their home is. I mean, this should be taken with the utmost seriousness. And the penalty for this, the. The lawful penalty for this should be severe, and I think it will be as it should be. And I would just add that the Palestinian issue, as you see, has become this. This is now grown in the if you will, the sort of, the menu of left wing lunacy items. This is very high on the list. This is. We've gone through different things, right? We know there's been the trans agenda stuff, which. We'll have more on that, actually, what's going on with Maine and the Trump administration there. But, you know, there's the trans agenda stuff. There's Ukraine, which some people on the left, oddly, have decided is the most important thing in the world. People can't find Ukraine on a map, care more about the final borders of Ukraine than anything else, and are willing to risk escalation with a nuclear power over it anyway. But the Palestinian issue has become, I think, for people, Clay, who are. Who have a virtue signaling derangement. I mean, I'm really trying to get into the psychology of this. But for people who are absolutely desperate to latch onto something because they tend to be very unhappy with their lives. They tend to have, you know, they tend to have a lot of unresolved psychological issues. Oh, but I stand with these super oppressed Palestinians. Are the Palestinians more oppressed than. Than people right now who are being massacred in South Sudan? No, they are. They are in fact, not. But people would argue, of course, that they're the most oppressed people in the history of the world because this has been. This is now an issue, right? This is something that you get to sign on to that if you are of this mindset, it makes you a. It's like a religious belief, right? If you sign on to this, it wipes away all of your shortcomings and you get to think of yourself as a good person who stands on the right side of an issue. And that when you're talking about left wing people, can cause them to do incredibly deranged things and move on incredibly to violent things. I mean, this is the basis, you know, extreme belief is the basis of most terrorism. And that's what this is.
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Clay Travis
And I would tie it in. Imagine, Buck, this is a far left wing activist trying to burn down a Democrat senator, I mean, Democrat governor's home and kill everyone inside because they are not far left wing enough with their politics as it pertains to the Middle East. Think about this, Buck. We had a would be assassin show up at Brett Kavanaugh's house. We had two would be assassins attempt to kill the President of the United States, one of whom came within a quarter inch of Butler, Pennsylvania from succeeding the other of whom, as I told you, and I'm still stunned by, almost happened at Trump's West Palm beach course. And if you walk the sixth hole there, the fact that that guy was allowed to be there with a gun all day long is criminal negligence in my opinion. And now you add in Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro. These are four different clear assassination attempts that have been brought to bear both against Republicans and Democrats by far left wing ideologues. If Trump supporters had tried to kill four different people in the similar manner, it's all that would be talked about. Right wing extremism. Who's to blame for all of this occurring as is A lot of these stories just vanish.
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Unknown
Did you mention in that list the 2018 baseball shooting?
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Clay Travis
I did not. Which got Bernie Sanders supporter asked whether or not it was Democrats or Republicans on the field open fire. And Steve Scalise is lucky to be alive.
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Unknown
Well, he was hit. Yes, of course. Rand Paul was there. Rand Paul was almost killed by two different lunatic Democrats in about a 12 or 18 month period. I forget the dates, but almost killed twice by Democrats. This is where we have to get into this. You know, there was this whole effort on the, under the Biden administration and it was an extension of the Obama administration which we all remember and recognize to say that, you know, right wing extremism is the biggest threat facing America. And you know, white nationalists are hiding behind every corner. And as I said, I've never met a white nationalist in my life. I have actually met jihadists. I've never met a white nationalist. So they were pushing this narrative. You look at where the political violence has really occurred. You look at, look, Republicans have gotten shot. Republicans have gotten shot. I don't want anyone to get shot, to be clear. But it is lunatics on the left when you're talking about political stuff. You know, you have, you know, and then you could get into. Although they would probably say, well, look, Gabby Giffords was shot. Gabby Giffords was shot by a maniac. That is true. And they immediately tried to blame it on Republicans, as you know. Yes, they tried to blame it on Sarah Palin in the case of Rand Paul being shot at with a number of other members of Congress on that baseball field in Alexandria, Virginia. The guy had a rifle and shot Steve Scalise. Lucky to be alive. They never take any tone responsibility for any of this Clay to. And you saw, I mean, you essentially scouted after the fact the attempted assassination grounds of Trump at that base, at that criminal negligence.
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Clay Travis
It's criminal negligence. That guy was allowed to sit in that in those bushes all day and that Trump would come within a hole. Remember, he was there like eight hours. I mean, it's indefensible.
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Unknown
I just, you know, you start to wonder. It's like, I know this. I know the nature and character of the people that listen to this show. And I know that all of us would sit around and say, you know, if somebody was taking a lethal action against a Democrat politician, like trying to light their house on fire or going after them with a firearm, and we had an opportunity to intervene and use lethal force to protect that Democrat, we would do it 100 times out of 100 because it's the right thing to do. You do get this sense that there are unfortunately a lot of people on the left because they say it out loud, Clay. They say, they write it online, that they will say things like, I hope the next one won't miss. I hope the next time they're successful. And I'm telling you, I really don't. I would be honest about this. I mean, I would call it out if I saw it. Nobody on the right is saying anything like, oh, Josh Shapiro, you know, the next arsonist. You know, no one says anything like that. But they say that about Trump, and they said it about Steve Scalise, and they said it about Rand Paul, and they've said it about Kavanaugh. And, you know, my point here is that the virulent political radicalism in this country is not entirely on the left, but it is overwhelmingly on the left.
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Clay Travis
That's 100% right. And I just want all of you to think about again, this story is going to vanish. And the idea, what I said on Monday, Buck, was the idea that there was a guy able to get into the Pennsylvania governor's mansion and start the fire that he did is such a failure of the Pennsylvania governor's protective detail that it reminds me of what happened at Butler, and it reminds me of what happened at West Palm Beach. And it should not be overlooked, because only by the grace of God is he still alive. Because you look at those images of how bad the burn, the. The burned out home was, very easily, Josh Shapiro and his entire family could have burned to death in that home. And that's a failure of security. Much like to your point, you've said it for a long time. The fact that that maniac in Butler, Pennsylvania, was able to get his shots off, we were so thankful and fortunate that they. That he did not get his target. But the fact that it even occurred is such a failure that there should be severe consequences. The only reason Trump is alive hasn't been.
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Unknown
The only reason Trump is Alive, not because of the Secret Service. We all know this. Trump is alive because of chance and the hand of God. Either or you get to pick. I would say the hand of God. Some people just say he's lucky. Does you know it's not the Secret Service. They failed.
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Clay Travis
Yes.
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Unknown
They. If somebody can get a shot on the target and hit the target. Secret Service has abjectly failed. They just got. They were fortunate about the outcome. It was not. And same thing with Shapiro.
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Clay Travis
If you don't die because somebody tried to burn your house down with you inside it, it's only by the grace of God or your good fortune. Again your point. Either one of those. The security detail failed.
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Unknown
Yeah. Yeah. I'm sitting here and I'm wondering how the heck this could have happened, by the way. Yeah.
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Clay Travis
In the governor's mansion.
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Unknown
I'm going to tell you. You know we have a lot, we have a lot of Pennsylvania listeners. I used to go to camp in Pennsylvania. It's a great state. People of Pennsylvania, look, it's a fantastic place. There's so much great stuff there. So many great people there. And I want the governor of Pennsylvania to be safe in his home with his family. I don't care what their political party is.
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Clay Travis
Yes.
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Unknown
Right. And this is where, you know, the country that we are is a country that says no one gets burned down in their home regardless of their politics or their ideology. And we need to send a very.
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Clay Travis
Or their religion which seems to have been the target here too.
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Unknown
This is a political. Religious targeting is really what it is.
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Clay Travis
Yeah.
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Unknown
I mean this is, this is an, this is an anti Jewish thing. And unfortunately the history of that in, in our country and stretching back for a very long time is, is a tragic and far too common one. But the point is we hope Josh Shapiro's family are okay. And there needs to be a reckoning among these, pal. Because there are just too many Looney Tunes running around. Look what they did on the campuses. They're threatening kids.
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Clay Travis
Yes.
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Unknown
Look at what they've done in 10 years right there. Too many that I didn't even think about the Tesla dealerships. Too many lunatics on their side. Okay. They got a reign in the Looney Tunes before somebody gets hurt again. Wouldn't be the first time. So I think this stuff is, is becoming all, all too clear.
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Clay Travis
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Clay Travis
Welcome back in Clay. Travis, Buck Sexton show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. All right, one bit of a housekeeping here. We have invited New York Attorney General Letitia James, the Governor of New York, Kathy Hochul. And interestingly, remember who forced Andrew Cuomo out of the governor's mansion, Letitia James with her somewhat bogus sexual harassment investigation. Now Andrew Cuomo is favored to be the next mayor of New York City. We have invited Andrew Cuomo on to talk about this as well. Maybe they will all say no. But to be fair, based on our conversation in hour one, open forum for them if they would like to come on and discuss. Now let's have a little bit of fun. Buck has gotten fired up about this because he can't believe that it's real. Some of you may have seen this. I believe it was Monday night. The Atlanta Braves are playing the Toronto Blue Jays. And the Braves broadcast has a basically sideline reporter who is a young, you know, good looking guy who is working the sideline. And he is interviewing two different girls, cute blonde girls in the crowd who appear to be Braves fans. I believe. Here is what it sounded like. This is cut 24. The video is out. We'll post it@clayandbuck.com if you have not seen this, this has gone mega viral. But here is what it sounded like if you were watching this baseball game Monday night.
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Unknown
We're having a lot of fun up here up the Corona rooftop. Who do we got here? What's your name?
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My name's Lauren Lawrence.
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All right.
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And I'm Kayla.
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Kayla. And you guys hang out the rooftop lounge often?
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Clay Travis
Once a year I come out to visit.
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Unknown
Okay, well, we timed it pretty well. All right, good. How are you guys feeling about root for the Braves today?
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Oh, I don't know. I'm hoping for the best.
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What about you? Are you a Braves fan now?
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Not quite.
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Not quite. All right, I'm going to go to work up here, guys. Good luck the rest of the way. Okay, Wiley, you got five innings. Four innings to get the numbers. Come on, come on.
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Clay Travis
Come on, get us some more Braves fans.
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Unknown
All right, so they want me to get your number. They want you to get my number. I'm dead serious. They're saying to my ear right now. She doesn't believe me because she thinks you guys are not making this up. Even if you guys weren't, I might use that in the future. That's actually a pretty good move.
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Clay Travis
Okay, so it continues. You can hear the girl in the background saying, they want you to get my number. And he ends up getting one of these girls phone numbers. It goes viral. And Buck, you have seen the reaction and you've been texting. I sent it to you. Cause I was like, I think you'll enjoy this. Many members of the sports media have lost their mind. They are saying this is misogynistic. They are saying this is completely unprofessional. You've seen the reactions. Can you believe the reactions to that light hearted clip that we just played for you?
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Unknown
Knows he can do this because he tells me, but I don't, as you all know, I don't pay any attention to the sports media commentary world really. So I just. This is like. It's as though Clay's telling me about the latest Broadway theater critics or something. I just don't follow them. So I don't know. And he goes, oh no, you don't understand how woke they are. And he sends me this stuff and it's like throwing steak in the lion den. I completely freak out because all I can think about is the sports media does this. Of all the media to do this. The people that are talking about guys, you know, swinging bats and, and throwing balls and doing all this stuff and making all this money and you know, some of them have cheerleaders on the sidelines or you know, dancers. At halftime they're free. It's my. Even though he tells me, my mind continues to be blown because it's. I don't even know. It's possible. Clay, what a killjoy. I mean, who could.
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Clay Travis
If you can't let me shot you, I will read you a couple of.
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Unknown
Read some of the reactions.
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Clay Travis
Yes. So people know, because some of you don't know. This is a woman named Danny Sorek. She is on the sidelines somewhere doing something. So are we still going to ask women in sports if they're only doing their job to date athletes? We can all agree how inappropriate and nasty this is. Not to mention the double standard, right? These are not athletes. These are girls in the stands, right? But this is a sportsman. Here's A man. This is a man who writes, ostensibly, this man.
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Unknown
Do we have to put man in quotes? Well, this is a guy. Can we send him some chalk? Because the T levels, I'm telling you, sub medical grade, you're going to hear this.
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Clay Travis
Ostensibly, this is a man. Ralph Vaciano tweets, you just heard this clip. An unprofessional disgrace from the reporter to the guys in the booth to the producer in the truck who could have stopped it at any point. It's not fun, it's not cool, it's not harmless, and it's only a standard for harassment. This is a guy who covers sports.
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Unknown
Like, I. I feel my estrogen level rising just from listening to this. I cannot understand.
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Clay Travis
There were a bunch of these guys and these girls who lose their mind. I have been arguing, frankly, I founded a company based on it. The disconnect between the average sports fan and the average sports media member is more substantial than the disconnect between media and any other group that consumes their content anywhere. And let me hit you with this buck, and this is my overall thesis, is if you cover a game for a living, that is your job is to watch people play something, with very, very few exceptions. Cause there are some people who are like, hey, I'm a sports reporter, but I also cover trials, so there could be criminal cases. Or I'm a sports business reporter and I'm focused on the valuation of franchise things like that. But if you cover the game itself, your job is to make someone like something that they already like, like it more. And if you don't do that, you're doing something wrong because your job is to talk about a sport. Here's what I think is really happening. I think these people, everyone who criticized this Braves reporter, I think, voted for Kamala Harris overwhelmingly. They hate fun. I also think so many people in sports media are insecure because they're grown ups who cover a game. And instead of embracing the fun, they feel like they have to convince people that they're capable of sitting at the big, big kids table. And so they wildly over analyze the significance of relatively fun. Not very significant moments.
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Unknown
Clay. If a single guy can't take his shot and ask a pretty lady for her phone number. I don't even know what country we live in anymore. Anymore. It's definitely not America.
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Clay Travis
This is the entire basis for how every human gets together, right? Every baby, on some level, required most of the time. Sometimes girls get numbers. Most of the time it's guys. Requires a guy to ask a girl for her phone number, right? This is the foundation of all of our existences.
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Unknown
The funniest thing is you can always tell when people ask rhetorical questions and the rhetorical question is obviously wrong and stupid, meaning they think that it's like, oh, what would have happened if a woman had asked a guy? If the roles reversed, I mean, the guy would be doing backflips. What are you talking about? An attractive female if he's single. And if you're not, you just say, I'm married. Or you say, I have a girlfriend. But if a single, if an attractive sideline reporter came up to Clay pre Laura or Buck pre Kerry and was like, hey, like, can I have your phone number? I promise you he wouldn't have been like, I feel so harassed.
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Clay Travis
It would be the greatest moment of every guy's life. Now, women don't think about this in the same way as men because if you're an attractive woman, you are being pursued by men every moment of your life, right? I mean, this is the reality. You go to the grocery store, a good looking guy. I mean, you're a good looking girl. A guy might hit on you, right? Like you're at the gym, wherever you are, there are men who are pursuing you. This is how biology works, by and large. You might not like the guys that are pursuing you, but the idea. Buck to your point. If a pretty girl in the stands has a microphone and she's interviewing a guy and somebody remarks, hey, chemistry looks pretty good here, you should ask him for his phone number. And he got the phone number. Every guy in America would be like, this is the coolest thing that's ever happened. They're not going to rip the girl.
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Unknown
This is a hero moment. Are you kidding me? Everybody would say it was really cool of the girl to take the, to make the move. And you know, the guy is the luckiest guy we've seen how. But you sort of get into this. How are people supposed to meet people, right? What is now the. Is it all just. It's only algorithms online where you're, you're, you know, you're at arm's distance and you don't actually have to deal with the possibility of like rejecting somebody or actually talking to them. I mean, what I. Clay, when you sent me the. I swear I kept reading through it and it was just like, my, my. Fortunately, I have a lot of hair, but I was pulling the hair out of my head. I could not.
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Clay Travis
Is the only sports media site in the entire country that will say there's nothing wrong with this. This is good. Lighthearted.
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Unknown
I mean, to me, this is almost like, you know, at the end of a local newscast, they'll do like, oh, like a local mallard in the park, you know, lost one of her something.
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Clay Travis
Happy to try to send people off into their day. Yes.
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Unknown
This is like a happy end of newscast kind of story. It's like, oh, and she found her baby duckling. Yay. You know, see you tomorrow, everybody. Uh, this is like a nice, happy story. It's cute. Look, maybe she gave him a fake number. Look, maybe it doesn't go. It doesn't matter. It's a nice little exchange. Obviously, people think this. This woman that he's asking, you know, is. Is an attractive young woman. And it's all. I just. This is like. It's like Shakespearean comedy. It's like, this is the sort of thing that in Western civilization, we'd all sit around and smile about and be like, oh, isn't that fun? And killjoy. Sports reporters think that it undermines the seriousness of women in the industry or something. Like, are they just. Are they just bitter because nobody watched the WNBA draft? Clay? Like, what. What is the problem here?
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Clay Travis
They're also making a ridiculous argument that this somehow equates to them dating a player or an athlete. This is not the same thing at all.
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Unknown
Nothing to do with that. Not even close.
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Clay Travis
Remotely close. And also, it's just a desperate desire to make yourself a victim. Something nice happens on television. You know what? I already tweeted this, but this is not going to surprise you. I would. If I own the Braves, I would totally steer into this controversy. I would have them go on a date at a game. I would have a reporter assigned to cover the date during the course of the. During the course of the broadcast. You know this because you've done this show long enough. For me, my response, anytime somebody criticizes any. Anything that I do is to do it even more aggressively. Like, some people are like, oh, you know what? I'll take a step back. I'm like, we're going to go faster, even faster into the controversy. And I would totally lean into this, because I think what it does. And this was the. The basic foundation of outkick, is I think that much of social media is bs. I think that a lot of what people say there is not representative of the real world. And if you allow yourself to be governed by what people say on social media, you end up making moronic decisions for your company, for your brand, for your personal life. Because in the analogy, I've made for a long time and I think I'm being proven more right. Every single day is. It would be like buck back in the day. Remember those funny mirrors when you would go to a carnival and some of them make you look super fat and some of them make you look super skinny. If you tried to adjust your diet based on a funhouse mirror, imagine how broken your overall life would be. I think that's the story of media. I think media used social media as a representative, honest reflection of the real world and tried to adjust their coverage as a result. And I think they lit themselves on fire. I think Trump saw it. Certainly we saw it in sports without kick and sanity's returning. But every time we have one of these blow ups, I look at the comments like you did, and I just, I feel like I'm living in a different world than the reality of the day to day existence that I see.
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Unknown
I. It's still. It is. It's one of these things where I didn't think we would really talk about this because it would only be. There are some people who, you know, they'll get mad at you if you're like, hey, you know what can relax you? Take a deep breath, like, oh, I'm sorry, Mr. Big Deep Breath.
- [68:16]
Clay Travis
People got mad at you and you were like, hey, you know what you should do more of walk. And people were like, oh, you're so such an elitist.
- [68:22]
Unknown
Look at you, able fancy radio host with your walking daily. You know, I swear I'm not kidding. There were a bunch of people that were attacking me, like, sorry, some of us have jobs that don't. I'm like, don't allow you to find any time in the day to go for a walk anywhere. Okay. I mean, I'm sorry, you work in like the Foxconn iPhone factory.
- [68:39]
Clay Travis
This is like me and I, I've said this to my boys a lot. Like, hey, you can do push ups anywhere. I understand everybody doesn't have a fat, fancy gym membership, but you can do push ups and sit ups pretty much anywhere. I mean, people in jail cells get ripped because they just sit around and do push ups and sit ups all day. You can walk anywhere pretty much. Unless you have people that want to.
- [68:59]
Unknown
Be bitter about everything. Was my point. And you'll find that on the Internet, they just want to be bitter. But people that make a living commenting on sports instead of seeing this as a viral clip and something that could bring everyone together a lot of. A lot. Clay's point is it's not that a Cup. A lot of them were attacking this.
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Clay Travis
20, 30 people with substantial audiences like this is unacceptable. How dare this be allowed to occur. Ah, it's real.
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Unknown
People are so nuts.
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Clay Travis
They're. People are totally nuts.
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Buck Sexton
It is.
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Clay Travis
It is crazy. Anyway, if you're a single guy, go ask a pretty girl for her phone number and hopefully you'll have kids one day and that will be the foundation of your.
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Unknown
Or if you're. Or if you're a nice young woman and you find a guy who's single and you think he's cute, ask him. I promise you, if he's not gonna.
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Clay Travis
Be offended, he's not gonna be offended.
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Unknown
Not gonna be offended. I promise you. How dare you. How dare you, madam.
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Clay Travis
One of the most intimidating things that any man ever has to do is ask a pretty girl for her phone number or her contact information because it sets you up for rejection. As everybody who's ever been to prom, everybody who's ever been to a dance. Men have to ask overwhelmingly. Yeah, if you're a pretty girl and you like a guy, go for it. But I got my battleship.
- [70:05]
Unknown
I got my battleship sunk plenty of times before I got married. And you know what builds character does build character.
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Clay Travis
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Unknown
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