Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Apr 2 2025

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show Episode: Daily Review with Clay and Buck - April 2, 2025
Release Date: April 2, 2025

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1. Election Results in Florida and Wisconsin (00:24 - 02:43)

Clay Travis opens the show by celebrating significant Republican victories in Florida's first and sixth congressional districts. He acknowledges personal ties to Florida, noting his property on the Gulf of Mexico and frequent visits. However, the episode also touches on mixed outcomes in Wisconsin. While Republicans secured wins in Florida, the state saw setbacks with a lost state Supreme Court seat and the approval of a voter ID ballot initiative.

Notable Quote:
Clay Travis at [00:48]: “Victory in Florida... Big wins in the state of Florida, the first and sixth congressional districts. We thought that was going to happen.”

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2. Democrat Performance in Special Elections and Implications for GOP (03:16 - 05:59)

Buck Sexton analyzes the Democrats' underperformance in special elections, contrasting it with their usual strength in voter turnout during major elections. He attributes Republican wins to consistent party turnout and criticizes the Democratic Party's reliance on a committed minority of voters. The discussion highlights how special elections can influence broader political dynamics, referencing the 2020 inflation rates tied to Georgia's Senate races.

Notable Quote:
Buck Sexton at [04:48]: “I don’t think we would have gotten above 4 or 5% inflation... if Georgia had had one of those two races go to the Republican Party.”

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3. Democratic Party's Lack of Moderation and Leadership Challenges (07:57 - 21:04)

Clay and Buck delve into the internal turmoil within the Democratic Party, emphasizing a perceived reluctance to moderate radical elements. They discuss the party's struggles with leadership, citing figures like Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer as lacking vision to counter Republican strategies effectively. The conversation also explores historical influences, including assertions that former President Obama may have undermined Vice President Kamala Harris's candidacy.

Notable Quotes:
Buck Sexton at [08:34]: “They spent a billion and a half dollars on Kamala Harris in roughly 90 days. And everybody knew Kamala Harris's message. It was just an awful message.”
Clay Travis at [21:04]: “The Democrat Party is in a coma... They need new leadership.”

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4. Voter ID Legislation Approval in Wisconsin (32:51 - 38:42)

The hosts discuss the recent approval of a voter ID requirement in Wisconsin, highlighting strong public support for ensuring voter identity. Despite Democrats losing a key judicial seat, the voter ID initiative reflects a shift towards more secure election practices. Clay emphasizes the positive implications for future elections, suggesting that such measures could lead to more reliable electoral outcomes.

Notable Quote:
Clay Travis at [37:00]: “Overwhelmingly Wisconsin voters believe that we should make sure that those who are voting are who they say they are.”

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5. Analysis of Tennessee School Shooting with Focus on Trans Rights (38:42 - 45:31)

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to analyzing the Covenant School shooting in Nashville, Tennessee. Clay and Buck scrutinize the shooter's motivations, as detailed in the Metro Nashville Police report. They argue that the attack was influenced by anti-Christian sentiments and trans rights rhetoric, portraying it as an act of left-wing terrorism. The hosts condemn the shooter’s actions and highlight the perceived failures of the Democratic Party in addressing such extremist behaviors.

Notable Quotes:
Clay Travis at [40:13]: “She was steeped in left-wing thinking even when she was plotting the mass murder of defenseless children.”
Buck Sexton at [43:16]: “She considered offenders who killed a low number of people to be amateurs who weren't worthy of her respect.”

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6. Discussion on a Local Arrest Incident (48:42 - 62:36)

Clay and Buck examine a controversial incident involving the arrest of a 24-year-old father in Augusta, Georgia. The man was arrested for leaving his three young children unattended at a McDonald's playground while attending a job interview. The hosts debate the appropriateness of the arrest, considering factors like the children's ages (10, 6, and 1 years old) and the duration of separation. They express sympathy for the father, questioning whether the punishment was proportional and discussing broader issues of parental responsibilities and public safety.

Notable Quotes:
Clay Travis at [51:26]: “I find myself in the... I don't think the guy should have been arrested.”
Buck Sexton at [55:03]: “If you’re trying to get a job to take care of your family, intent matters here.”

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7. Current Events and Additional Commentary (Throughout the Episode)

Interspersed with the main discussions are brief mentions of ongoing events such as stock market updates, sports highlights, and promotional content for various sponsors. The hosts occasionally return to lighter topics, sharing personal anecdotes and reacting to viral controversies, ensuring a balanced mix of serious political analysis and relatable commentary.

Notable Quote:
Buck Sexton at [57:33]: “Most parents have faced a situation where a babysitter cancels at the last minute...”

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Conclusion

In this episode, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton provide a comprehensive review of recent political events, focusing on election outcomes, Democratic Party dynamics, voter ID legislation, and societal issues like school shootings and parental responsibilities. Their analysis blends political insight with personal perspectives, offering listeners a nuanced understanding of the current political landscape.

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Disclaimer: This summary is based on the provided transcript and aims to capture the key discussions, insights, and conclusions of the episode. It omits advertisements, intros, outros, and non-content segments to focus solely on the substantive content presented by Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.

Transcript

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No purchase necessary vgw group void where prohibited by law 21 + terms and conditions apply. Welcome everybody to the Wednesday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show. And there's a lot going on. Victory in Florida. Just want to take a moment here with my fellow Floridians listening. And Clay is like a half Floridian. I know that Tennessee doesn't want to give up one of their favorite sons, but Clay does have property on the Gulf of America. It's true. And spends a fair amount of time in Florida. Big wins in the state of Florida, the first and six congressional districts. Uh, we thought that was going to happen. You know, Randy Fine came through. Jimmy Petronas came through. All good there. Not as awesome up in Wisconsin. Maybe a bit of a Wisconsin wake up call, but something of a, of a mixed bag. We did not win the open Supreme Court, state supreme Court seat there. Uh, but there was a ballot initiative on id, voter id, and that did get approved. So, you know, it's, it's mixed. It wasn't what we wanted. Certainly now we're going to probably drop two congressional seats from the Republican column in Wisconsin, but we'll get more into that. Trump sharing out on truth social. It's Liberation Day in America. He's really going all in on this. I mean, this is, is, is this gonna be Trump's first new federal holiday that he tries to declare if this goes as well as he's hoping? Liberation Day is something that I had not expected to get as much attention from. And we also got cuts at hhs, nih, cdc, which we should certainly discuss, and then some other stories that are going to get into the mix here. But Clay, I would, I would start with what is your feeling about the elections that occurred yesterday? I mean, they're, they're doing here. Here's Jake Tapper. I said this would happen. They're saying, okay, well, he's winning big, but it's not as big a win. This is over at cnn. Play cut to Petronas is a strong.

[Buck Sexton]

Candidate and he is, he's going to win. We're projecting a win for him. But Dana, it's not a 35 point win that it should be in ruby red panhandle Florida.

[Clay Travis]

You're exactly right. And it is the whole question of the margins, Jake. That is what Democrats have been looking at all night. Clay, I, I mean this is look, they're looking for silver linings for their audience there now they're trying to which Wisconsin is clearly get. Oh man. Over at msnbc, Wisconsin is the story of the day. No question. But everyone knew that Petronas was going to win. He won by a whole bunch. Randy. Fine one by a solid margin. I think Republicans showed up. It's an off election cycle. It's tough to get people that excited in a super red district to come out in huge numbers.

[Buck Sexton]

I look Democrats outperform Republicans in special elections across the board and this is why I think Republicans need to look at the data. I think frankly this is why they pulled Stefanik. I think that's why they pulled her UN ambassadorship because they knew that in her district in New York based on the numbers in Florida that people were just not going to show up on the same level. And it doesn't really surprise me. I think what it means is the 25% of the Democrat party diehards are going to vote no matter what. And that happens basically nationwide. And there are a lot more casual, I would say busy Republican voters that show up for the big events but don't show up for the primary season. And I think that that is well understood at this point. To me, winning by 15 points in the Florida six, when you're outspent five six to one, winning in Florida one by 15 or 16 points even though you're outspent there to me is a, is a pretty solid sign. But I think we need to avoid special elections. Sometimes you can't help it but buck the kick in the teeth in 2020. The thing, the reason I think we got to 9% in inflation was not because Biden got elected president. It's because Georgia in double special elections gave Joe Biden the Senate majority.

[Clay Travis]

We lost three should win Republican Senate seats in Georgia, three in one state over the course of a couple of election cycles. So yeah, that, that was a disaster and one that cost the country, truly cost the country trillions of dollars.

[Buck Sexton]

I don't think we would have gotten above 4 or 5% inflation. I really mean this. If Georgia had had one of those two races go to the Republican Party because There was enough opposition to Biden's agenda that there would have had to be some moderation. And let me just say this too. If Joe Manchin and Kirsten Sinema, but Joe Manchin in particular hadn't put the stop gap on it. Remember, Biden wanted to spend $5 trillion. I'm not saying Manchin was perfect. I think he got it wrong with the build back better bill. I think, uh, the Inflation Adjustment Reduction act that actually increased inflation was a bad decision. But Biden would have blown inflation into the 15 or 16% category if he had been allowed to spend like he wanted to spend. But he never would have been allowed to do that if we had won the special elections in Georgia.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah. So it's. Overall, Overall, I think it was a, it was a good day yesterday for Republicans. Not, Not a perfect day. And I do have to remind everybody, the numbers for the Democrats continue to go down. And the Democrats, Clay and I were talking about this. We actually just. Kerry was with us. We did a gym workout, south beach, you know, working on our pecs.

[Buck Sexton]

This, our delts. This is the. I've never seen so many people in a gym. This was not us wearing less clothes to work out. I've never been in a gym. It was like we were at a. It was like a swim party. The girls were basically just working out in their bikinis. I've never seen anything.

[Clay Travis]

It's like, it's like a lingerie show in the gym every day. Yes, it is. This is. I, I've never. I, I grew up in New York City. I went to the gym there. I've never seen anything like it in my life. And here it's, it's quite a show.

[Buck Sexton]

I was not in my lingerie, in case anybody wonders.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

I mean, even the guys aren't wearing very much. A lot of very skimpy tank tops on the guys showing.

[Buck Sexton]

Your brother. Your brother walked by and I was.

[Clay Travis]

Like, he's a tank top guy.

[Buck Sexton]

I got a full T shirt on. I felt like I was dressed like I was in a burqa.

[Clay Travis]

But, you know, we were, we were walking here, walking back and just talking about what we're going to get into on the show and how. I'm a little surprised. Are you a little surprised, too? I'm a little surprised that the, the tacking toward the center. It's not just that they're. They're slow to do it or I think they're unwilling to do it. I think the Democrats are done. And I don't mean on Everything, obviously. Look, Kamala got a lot of votes and she was a horrible candidate. We didn't win by that much. In some ways, Wisconsin might be a good wake up call for everybody that we're talking about fine margins. Yes, Trump won. Ran the table and won the election, and it was awesome and fantastic, but he's not going to. Well, we don't think he's going to be the guy running the next time around. And the parties are neck and neck still with as crazy as Democrats are. So are you surprised about the lack of. I mean, moderation, lack of sanity?

[Buck Sexton]

Yes. Because right after the election we said, you have two options when you get your ass kicked. One is you can say, oh, you know, and I think it works for sports, too. You can say, hey, we had an awful game plan. We got to go back and figure out a way to win. What Democrats have gone with is not. We had an awful game plan. They've gone with. Our message wasn't heard well enough by the American voter, and I think that's completely wrong. They spent a billion and a half dollars on Kamala Harris in roughly 90 days. And everybody knew Kamala Harris's message. It was just an awful message.

[Clay Travis]

Can I offer some additional context on this? Given the astonishing lie that the Democrats were all in on, that Joe Biden was fine, that there weren't even more defections to the Republican Party, I think goes to the strength of the hive mind and the collectivists. Keep in mind, everybody, if you were a Democrat who voted for Biden in 2020 and you were a reasonable, rational person this time around, not only should you be appalled at his performance, they should have been appalled at the fact that it was hidden by the. And all the books are coming out.

[Buck Sexton]

Now, which we told you they would. Of course, we told you the truth would be told as soon as the election was over. And now everybody, including Jake Tapper, who claimed that it was hilarious, got a book about how decrepit Biden was. But, yeah, look, I think what you have to take in is there is a committed cadre of 25% of Americans who truly believe that Trump is Hitler and they are going to show up for every special election with the idea being that they believe they have to save the country.

[Clay Travis]

This is like the Democrat Bolsheviks.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes.

[Clay Travis]

I mean, these are people. Very interesting little historical note. Back in the early days of the Soviet. What was the Russian and Soviet revolution, there were the Bolsheviks and the Mensheviks, the Bolsheviks. Their name is supposed to be majoritarian. They never had Popular support, even among the collectivists. They called themselves that to fool people. The hard left in this country does not have popular support, but they have been able to infiltrate and control institutions to include the the DNC and the Democrat Party in recent election cycles. So their ideas don't actually have to be. Their ideas weren't popular during COVID when they were freaking everybody out and shutting everything down, but they did it anyway in a lot of places that didn't want it to happen.

[Buck Sexton]

There's good. I thought your analogy yesterday is going to also I said by 2027 they're going to be talking about how unique of a candidate Trump is and that he doesn't have coattails. And it's not Trump. Sorry, it's not the Republican Party's great message. It's just Trump is a uniquely talented candidate. Obama was the same way in that there. I would argue Trump has better coattails than Obama does. But they're going to try to argue, hey, look, Trump, we're going to, we're going to crush you guys in 2026. I don't think they can take back the Senate. In fact, I think Republicans just looking at the map actually have a really good chance to add one or two seats. I think that's very reasonable. But if they take back the House, they're going to argue and after 2026, hey, we're winning 2028. Trump is a uniquely talented candidate. They're going to go from he's Hitler to actually, you know what, he's an incredible candidate. And they're going to argue that J.D. vance or whomever candidate is, does not have the same cachet and appeal and won't turn out those non traditional voters. And it is true in 2020 and 2024 there were a lot of people who showed up at the polls that I think Democrats thought were not going to show up at the polls.

[Clay Travis]

Well, I do believe with Trump maga, it is a movement and because his VP does represent the next generation, JD Vance of leadership and is not. Remember Democrats did something very weird. They had Hillary beaten by Obama, Obama for eight years and then they tried to kind of trot out Hillary as the, you know, the plan B, the second option here. Oh, but she should be the president now. There was, I know she was Obama's secretary of State, which didn't go so well. Go check out what happened in Benghazi, among other things. But there was no, oh, she's being, you know, prepared. Yeah, she's the success. There was no sense that she was Obama's successor within Obama ism, if you will. It wasn't like he was. She was, oh, I'm a part of the Obama movement. She's like, I'm a famous politician because my husband was a famous politician and now it's my turn. And it didn't play very well. I think with JD and also with a number of people who are just going to be powerful going forward in the Republican party who are of the younger generation. The narrative arc is they were there with Trump and they, you know, honed their skills. You know, his tutelage is what will allow them to take going forward. So I think there's a little bit of a better shot there.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Unknown]

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[Clay Travis]

I'm just going to tell you, Clay hops into that cold plunge like a champ. His name could be Sven Olafson or something.

[Buck Sexton]

I want to get a cold plunge. In fact, Laura, my wife, obviously thought it was crazy. We're, we're building a new house. And she was like, what do you want? I was like, I want a cold plunge. We did this cold plunge thing at the, at the gym. We did it out in Colorado at the, at the Strawberry Springs. It's awesome.

[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. Let's enjoy the slow motion collapse and infighting of the Democrat Party for a second, shall we? This is, this is like the, the dessert section of this hour. This is where we just get to have a little bit of fun. I told you already, Wisconsin didn't win that Supreme Court, state supreme Court seat. A little disappointing, but we knew it was going to be very tough off cycle. Democrats get their crazies out in the off cycle. We got to work more on this. Okay. We did win those Republican congressional seats in Florida, though, so that was the most. Well, maybe we'll say, we'll say it's even. Okay. It's like they get two congressional seats in Wisconsin. We probably lost, but we kept too in, in, in the Florida. Maybe Wisconsin was a little more important. Whatever. Let's talk about Democrats and how they hate each other. Uh, well, first off, they're upset. The newest, the newest rating for Democrats in Congress. Specifically, here's CNN's version. Here's CNN's bootleg Ryan Kradusky, Harry Enten, who is telling everybody, listen to what the congressional rating is for Democrats.

[Unknown]

Now play three Holy Toledo voters views of the Democrats in Congress. Among all voters disapprove 68%. And look at the approved number. Just 21%, even lower than the Democratic Party at large. This is the lowest on record for Democrats according to Quinnipiac University polling. You think these numbers are bad? Let's go to this side of the screen. We'll look how Democratic voters feel. Get this. The plurality of Democratic voters disapprove of Democrats in Congress at 49% and just 40% approve.

[Buck Sexton]

Horrible, horrible, horrible.

[Unknown]

Oh, my goodness gracious. You just can't get worse than these numbers.

[Clay Travis]

Democrats are about as popular as stubbing your toe. So the nail comes off. It's pretty rough right now.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, look. And they're going to try to take momentum from the special elections. As we started off this show talking about the fact that Trump won those districts, the first and the sixth, by 35ish points in the 2024 election. But what you really have to dive into is turnout and turnout was and is on the special elections a fraction of how many people show up for presidential elections and how many people show up for midterms. To be frank, and the real challenge here is Democrats can be wildly unpopular. And that's what happens when you take a lot of positions that are in fact wildly unpopular. But the problem for the House is There's only around 25 seats that are actually swingable at this point. Both parties have done such a job gerrymandering the states that they control that there aren't very many toss up seats. So I think the likelihood of either party being able to win more than four or five in any direction is actually highly, highly unlikely. And again, I, I said I think Democrats are going to lose Senate seats.

[Clay Travis]

I think, wasn't it Maureen Dowd just put out a column that the Democrat party is in a coma? I think that was the title. Which is feels pretty apt that we've been saying something very similar here because it is and they know it. And they're trying to figure out what to do. Because like any party that is overtaken by radicals, moderation isn't really possible for them right now because moderation would mean expelling the 20% ideologically who have been calling the shots and making demands. This is like the trans stuff. This is like the open borders, we are one world, let all the illegals in stuff. I mean really unpopular nationally policies. 20% of Democrats aren't just for it. They are all in on it and would feel betrayed unless you continue to push for that. So that's one thing I think is really interesting. There's also the infighting that's going on with who's going to be in charge of the Democrat Party going forward. I just saw this, Clay. I thought this was really interesting. NBC political reporter Jonathan Allen here claiming that Obama worked behind the scenes to derail Kamala.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

In 2024. Listen to this.

[Unknown]

President Obama absolutely did not think that Joe Biden should continue according to our sources close to President Obama. And he also didn't want Kamala Harris to be the replacement for Biden. He, he didn't think that she was the best choice for Democrats. And he worked really behind the scenes for a long time to try to have a mini primary or an open convention or mini primary leading to an open convention. Did not have faith in her ability to win the election. And as it turned out, she didn't win. But he was really working against her.

[Clay Travis]

Two things Clay. One, do you buy this? Two, do you think Obama's meddling might have actually helped Trump substantially because of the behind the scenes shenanigans to undermine Kamala when she was supposed to ascend?

[Buck Sexton]

So I have thought For a long time that basically Barack Obama ghost wrote George Clooney's op ed in the New York Times. And I think the New York Times editorial board knows it too. Because just think about this. Why would they really feature George Clooney and his political opinion as some incredibly important statement? George Clooney's never been a politician. He's never been, to my knowledge, a particularly perceptive figure in Democrat politics.

[Clay Travis]

Trump. And I agree, he's not even a very good actor. Trump and I aligned on this one big time.

[Buck Sexton]

You had Trump don't even think he's a movie star in any way. I think all. I think that, that George Clooney's op ed was 100% ghostwritten by Barack Obama.

[Clay Travis]

But. But here's the thing. Obama is not. This. This actually lines up for me in so many ways. Obama is not a tactician of politics beyond pushing himself and, you know, thinking that he's God, basically, he. He is not a political strategist of any whatsoever. Based on what the Democrat Party, I think, descended into under his tenure for eight years, remember, led to Trump. He made fun of Trump at that dinner. And Trump then became president. Like you think about the Obama story arc, he was good at getting himself elected. He was not good at leading a party. Remember, people say, oh well, Obamacare. There were a few things that happened. Obama came in after a recession that was actually decades in the making. It's a whole other story. We don't have time to get into it now. But didn't get anything done on immigration, didn't get anything done on climate change, which are the two other primary issues that he wanted to work on. But also, what was his plan bringing this into this conversation about Kamala, derailing Kamala, who was the better option?

[Buck Sexton]

He wanted a. That's the thing on the George Clooney op ed. He wanted a mini primary.

[Clay Travis]

But. But think about who would have been in that. It would have been Gretchen Whitmer, Gavin Newsom. Like, think about.

[Buck Sexton]

Do you know who was mentioned that you've said could rise up as the 2028 candidate?

[Clay Travis]

Westmore.

[Buck Sexton]

Westmore, Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

I keep George.

[Buck Sexton]

George Clooney specifically mentioned him there, I think. So I think you're right about the crazy town perspectives that so many Democrats have adopted if they have a history. And remember, in particular, Kamala got raked over the coals, as she should have, for saying, I support transgender surgeries for illegal immigrants. That's why I think that they're. The Democrats are going to have to find someone like Trump who is a non traditional candidate that doesn't have crazy town opinions that are public. Remember, that can recalibrate and redefine the entire party. The first time that I took note of Trump as a candidate was when he said the Iraq war was a disaster. Basically, I'm paraphrasing him. Nobody else at that point in time was willing to criticize the decision to go to the Iraq war because so many Republican politicians supported it. Trump wasn't a Republican politician at the time.

[Clay Travis]

It wasn't even just Republicans. It was Democrats too, which was including Hillary Clinton. I was going to say a big part of why Hillary was able to. Oh, sorry, Obama was able. Who outflank Hillary was. Obama was like, look, you voted for that disaster.

[Buck Sexton]

That's right.

[Clay Travis]

And Hillary was, you know, Hillary. So she wasn't exactly great at ingratiating herself.

[Buck Sexton]

The party has to be blown up, I think, in the Democrats.

[Clay Travis]

Well, this is on the Breakfast Club, very, very popular show on in the mornings on Iheart. Charlemagne spoke about how he thinks. And this is a guy with a big audience. A lot of Democrats listen to him. The Democrat, you know, top candidates and Kamala and everybody, you know, they go on this show. And Mr. The God was saying that everybody needs to be primaried and thrown out of office in the Democrat leadership. Now play for who's supposed to be the leaders.

[Unknown]

Well, in Congress, you've got two people. The first one is this guy, House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries.

In America, we don't have a king.

[Clay Travis]

We don't have a monarch, we don't have a dictator.

[Unknown]

Yeah, I'm not feeling too inspired by business casual Morpheus. Okay. And Payless, Obama's counterpart in the Senate, he's somehow even less inspiring.

[Clay Travis]

It's going to affect beer, most of it.

[Unknown]

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[Clay Travis]

Avocados?

[Unknown]

Truma is not the man with a plan to fight Trump. He ain't the man with a plan for a good Cinco de Mayo. It's not my job to say that any particular candidates need to be primaried and thrown out of office. But Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schuman need to be primaried and thrown out of office.

[Clay Travis]

I mean, I think he's right insofar as the party needs a total shakeup. I agree with his assessment. This is what, you know, that there's some, you know, that there's a lot of truth being thrown around when people who have been fighters on the right for a long time are saying the same things about the Democrat Party that honest Democrats are saying about the Democrat Party, which is what's going on right now. They need new leadership. Chuck Schumer is not going anywhere, though, because of the purse strings. He's a huge fundraising operation. Hakeem Jeffries, I don't think he's actually going to stay in Democrat leadership for very long, but I keep they there. So much of the Democrat hopes and dreams rest on AOC's shoulders right now.

[Buck Sexton]

I think that he's right about Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer. Neither one of them have any particular vision to be able to not only tell Democrats where they should go, but really point out where Trump is wrong.

[Clay Travis]

Schumer is there. Mitch McConnell, he's just a fundraising purse strings institution in the Senate.

[Buck Sexton]

I think he'll be gone in 2028 when his. I think he'll say, hey, I'm not going to run again. We'll have a new leadership. I think he's going to be in real trouble if I'm right and they lose seats in 2026 because then it's hard to make up as many seats as they would need to make up to take back control of the Senate. He wouldn't have any possibility of getting to the majority. But this is where I think Gavin Newsom, as much as I think he is an unabashed liar, even by political politician standards, Gavin Newsom is a real liar. Gavin Newsom, I think, recognizes that the Democrat Party is lost in the wilderness in a way that many others are not willing to admit. And he's trying to lead them out of the wilderness, including this ridiculous perspective where he's finally decided to take on the idea that men should be able to compete in women's sports. He called it completely unfair. Now, he's previously said the exact opposite of that, and I think it leaves him vulnerable. But Democrats don't care. They will nominate him. I think the question is, if he were the nominee, would he be able to be defined in a way like Kamala was? I think he's a more sophisticated, better speaker than Kamala is, better than Schumer, better than Hakeem Jeffries. I think you're right about aoc, and I think that she would, unfortunately for her, get exposed because I don't know that she's got a lot of depth, but I think she does understand narrative cycle.

[Clay Travis]

I also believe that there is a frustration again, the Democrats who know how to win elections in different districts and states who, you know, the Democrat consultants who get paid the big bucks to swindle just enough of the voters that the, the Democrat who's from Wisconsin or Michigan or Pennsylvania is like, I'm a, I'm a maverick Democrat. Right. Like that stuff. They can't rely on the abortion issue the way that they were planning on it. I remember there were people who were saying, if Roe v. Wade is overturned, Republicans will never win another election. Yes, if Roe v. Wade is overturned, Republicans are going to get beat. And now I knew that wasn't true. And that first election, that first midterm afterwards, you know, there was the sort of, the, some of the Jan.6 hangover stuff with the insurrection and then there was in the states, I think there were. They're able to basically just lie to people and say abortion is going to be illegal in, you know, New Mexico or you know, abortion is going to be illegal in New York or it's like never going to happen. They're not going to change anything. And so that issue is off the table for them as a major nationwide mobilization because anybody who's up for grabs gonna say, look, I know what the deal is in my state, I know what the law is in my state. And that's, that's where it is. Like, they're not. So what really are the Democrats gonna run on? I'm telling you, they're gonna pivot big time to class warfare stuff and healthcare. And I think that's really interesting because how does their pivot to healthcare in advance of the midterms play in with the whole conversation that's going to be happening around Luigi Mangioni, the healthcare assassin? Allegedly. Right.

[Buck Sexton]

It's a very good.

[Clay Travis]

Because they're going to try to be like, oh, we're the ones that care about people and everything else. And there's going to be lunatic left wing Democrats who are out there saying we love Luigi as they have been.

[Buck Sexton]

I think they're going to try to run the abortion playbook again in 26. And I think it's going to fail. This is my, my thought because the average person, they oversold fear. I think to a lot of people out there, the reality is if you live in a left wing state, abortion is very prominent and easy to get. If you live in a right wing state, it's more difficult, but you can still travel to other states. I don't think the average mom and grandma of 14 and 15 year old girls that might have bought in in 2022 and clearly did to the idea that Republicans are going to be dragging your daughters or granddaughters by their hair.

[Clay Travis]

It's all the fear campaign. They were able to pull it one time and now that it did not affect this presidential election, nobody was talking about abortion in a way that except for that lady who's like, I'm a political analyst.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, look. And they tried aggressively, Buck. Remember the police officer dragging the woman out of the car like trying to. It didn't work and I think it's not going to work in 26 again. Look, major League Baseball season off to a fast start. Unless you are a fan of my Atlanta Braves, which have started off the season. Oh, and six not ideal. NBA headed to the playoffs and coming up this weekend, the Final Four. You got Duke, you got going up against Houston, you got Florida, you got Auburn. Awesome. All set up. And if you haven't already downloaded the Prize Picks app on your phone, do it today. It'll make watching the games much more fun. All you have to do is pick more or less for any athlete. You can deposit easily with MasterCard, Visa, Discover. You can do it in California. You can do it in Texas. You can do it in Georgia if you're feeling left out. 40 states out there. It's super easy to follow. All you have to do to get 50 bucks is go to prizepix.com my name Clay that c l a y prizepix.com my Name Clay Clay play $5, you get $50. All you have to do is just plug my name in pricepix.com code Clay.

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[Buck Sexton]

Bunch of news stories out there. We talked about the Florida special elections. Florida 6, Florida 1. Both Republican wins by around 15 points. Appreciate everybody who got out and voted there. Wisconsin judge lost. Unfortunately the Supreme Court will be in the control of Democrats. That could have consequences, unfortunately, when it comes to redistricting potentially costing Republicans a couple of different seats. Depending on how things play out there, I will say very positive result which is getting some attention. Probably deserves more. Overwhelmingly Wisconsin voters said you should have to show a photo ID to vote, which seems like basic common sense to me, but has become an opposition issue of paramount importance to the Democrat Party. But actually vast majorities of voters believe that that should be a law, that we should make sure that those who are voting are who they say they are. And it's a bare minimum to require somebody to show up and produce a license or a passport or some form of identification in order to cast your ballot. And overwhelming numbers of Wisconsin voters believe that. In fact, Ryan Gardusky, I saw our data analyst guru as part of the Clay and Buck podcast network, said around 200,000 Wisconsin voters voted both for there to be a voter ID requirement and for the left wing judicial nominee. So I think what that reflects is that even Democrats believe that that amendment should be law. And so hopefully in the years ahead as Wisconsin has become ultimate battleground state, it was the closest of all the states in the 2024 election. It was very close in 2016, 2020 Senate races coming down to thousands of votes in one direct the other. Hopefully that will allow Wisconsin elections going forward to be more reliable than they otherwise would be. TRUMP 4:00 Eastern, scheduled to announce his tariff decision. I will say if you use the stock market as any sort of proxy stock market actually having a good day, suggesting perhaps that there is not going to be as much of an economic impact as some investors had feared. Stock market S&P 500 up about a percent today, which is a not inconsequential number. And for those of you out there who pay attention to this on a regular basis, the stock market is roughly the same place that it was on Election Day. So about six months. It has come down certainly from where it was in February, but it's about the same place that was six months ago. Now other news, there has been a release, Buck and I was reading it during the last commercial break the Covenant School shooting. This is the transgender shooter, the trans terrorist in Tennessee, my hometown of Nashville, who shot up a Christian school. There is finally a report out about the motivations of that shooter and I want to read some of these for you because I do think it's important for everybody out there to be aware of what exactly took place. First of all, this shooter chose this location particularly because of the Christian school. And I'm reading from the official report released by Metro Nashville Police. Even though she was concerned the layout of the school would give students and faculty more places to hide and more time to flee. She was emboldened by the idea students were too young to effectively fight back or flee far. She believed this is a direct quote from the report that was just released in the last few minutes. She believed the Christian faith of those within would make them meek and afraid, which further assuaged her self doubts. The age of the children and the school Being considered a Christian school made her recognize the instant notoriety the attack would bring. This is also particularly difficult. Again, I'm reading from the report, she initially planned to attack another school in April of 2021, the April 13th of 2021, overwhelmingly. And I'm trying to avoid using this, this woman's name because the report says that she was focused on trying to have international notoriety. And she initially chose April 13, 2021 as her attack date because it was the exact same day as the Columbine attack in Colorado, April 13th of 1999. She considered it a fitting tribute to the memory of those two killers. She then decided to postpone her attack to get additional training on her firearm to ensure she would be proficient with it to kill as many people as possible. I mean, this is an awful, awful human being. This is from the report.

[Clay Travis]

This is a demon.

[Buck Sexton]

On April 8, 2021, she canceled the attack on that school, changed her target to Covenant, this Christian school. She then listed the pros and cons for each target in her notebooks, focusing on the physical structure, security of each location, age and backgrounds, and the public reaction she would receive based on this analysis. Listen to how chilling this is. She chose the Covenant school as the better target for three reasons. One, Covenant was more geographically isolated than this other middle school, which she felt would give her more time to kill. Covenant was a private Christian school. She believed she would receive more notoriety for killing Christians due to the student body at Creswell Middle School being predominantly black. She was afraid she would be seen as racist, which would affect how much control she had over the narrative after her death and allow others to state her motive beyond the attack. I mean, Buck, this is pure evil. She is a trans left wing terrorist who intentionally targeted Christian kids because she thought it would be a better narrative.

[Clay Travis]

But didn't she also not go after a school because she was concerned that she would be viewed as racist?

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, that's exactly what it says in the report. Yeah, like she is concerned that she would be viewed as racist.

[Clay Travis]

She was steeped in left wing thinking even when she was plotting the mass murder of defenseless children. She's like, well, I'm going to kill a bunch of kids, but I want them to be kids who are Christian and I. And I don't want anyone to think that I'm racist though. Yes, think about that, everybody. She is or was thankfully exactly what we knew she was right away. And they hid this from us for months and months and months. Exactly why we thought because the system, even in a state Like Tennessee, the system does not want us to start to think about. Hold on a second. Is there, is there anything here with her being trans and psychiatric dysfunction and violence and, you know, no one's allowed to even consider that at this time. When she did this shooting, there was a whole theory on the left that was being expanded on in the media that there was a genocide and that was the term that they would use, a genocide of trans people that the Christian right was perpetrating and that states were engaged in this horrible behavior of stopping the gender mutilation, the genital mutilation of children because of the trans agenda. And she, she chose the targets based upon her left wing ideology. She did this at a time when the Democrat mainstream, the mainstream Democrat party was arguing in favor of trans in kids. And if you tried to stop this, if you're a parent, maybe the kid should be taken from you by the state. And that there was violence against trans people as some kind of national epidemic. All lies, all nonsense, I might add. So everything that we thought was true about this monster, now it comes out, it was true. And all that stuff about how, oh, we can't know. And yeah, we can know, we should have known this right away. They held it for political reasons. We knew it the whole time. And there should be some accountability for the politics that were played here because the public had a right to know. And holding it this long was done not for public safety, not for privacy, but for politics.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm reading and continuing to read. This is a 48 page report that has just been released by the Metro Nashville police. I am going to, you know, continue. I'm going to share this. So if you want to go read it yourself again. This individual wanted to be famous. So I think trying not to use names, trying not to make her famous, because that's the reason that she did this. They say buck 16 notebooks were seized. Two found within her vehicle after her death, the other 14 inside the bedroom in her residence. All sorts of details about the planning of this particular attack.

[Clay Travis]

And she went to a school without an armed resource officer. Basically armed security. There were schools with armed security. The school she went to didn't have armed security. Another thing I might add, that we're not somehow allowed to talk about, that she specifically goes, oh, this school is further from police help. There's no armed officer at the school. She did target scouting of these locations beforehand.

[Buck Sexton]

That's right.

[Clay Travis]

And you know, the people that are saying, oh, but we're going to ban guns, they're idiots. They're not going to stop anything. That's not going to help. But what might have helped and what could help is having a armed resource officer on campus, having secure, having concealed carry for teachers who want to do so. You know, who want to be able to protect their campus and their, you know, people that are, that are. Look, I mean I conceal carry. People that conceal carry. They're walking around the. In states where it's legal, they're walking around the mall keeping you safe, whether you know it or not. They're walking around, you know, crowded areas keeping you safe whether you know it or not. The idea that this should be banned from schools and that you should even be like face imprisonment if you're a lawful gun owner and even leave the gun in your trunk of a, of a. Because schools are gun free zones. Gun free zones are idiotic. It is absurd. The bad guys don't care that it's a gun free zone. And this again goes to show at Clay. It's just isn't the frustration here is they know this. It's hard to get as much attention for now that we have the facts and can really discuss this. They don't, you know, the left that wanted to, you know, oh, this is about. Don't demonize the trans community or this is about gun control or all the things that they want to say they said. And now that we can actually present the facts. Stories old. A lot of people have, you know, the public consciousness, obviously not the families, the tragic tragedies of what happened here. But for a lot of the country's attention right now, it's not on this issue totally.

[Buck Sexton]

And I'm going to keep reading this during the break because I think some of these details continue. She rated other mass killers based on the number of people they killed in her documents, what targets selected, level of notoriety. She considered offenders who killed a low number of people to be amateurs who weren't worthy of her respect. I mean this is an evil, evil person. I mean just. I'm going to get to read this.

[Clay Travis]

It's as demonic as it gets. Choosing to murder helpless children because they're helpless and because they're Christian, because their families might have some connection to God. I don't know what could be more demonic than this. Just God bless that officer who. And both those officers who showed us how it's done, who stopped the threat, who ran into that building. We all saw it on video. They didn't hesitate. They didn't pull a Uvalde. They realized there were lives at risk and they went in there and they eliminated the threat and they took out the demon. And they deserve so much credit for that. And I know so many of you in law enforcement across the country, you would do exactly the same thing. And it's good that we, we see that, you know, heroes can, can arise in the midst of just the most depraved acts of evil, which is exactly what this trans terrorist did. All right, let's talk about our sponsor here for a moment. Switching gears. Rapid Radios. They make incredible walkie talkies, the kind you can use to connect to anyone nationwide who has a rapid radio. They've innovated those old school walkie talkies that we grew up with with new technology to make them even better than ever before. The 2025 version by Rapid Radios empowers you to talk to anyone because these devices have a nationwide LTE network they connect to. There aren't any monthly fees, no contracts assigned, just a small annual fee that keeps your device current and up to speed. We've used rapid radios. They're practical, they're fun. They come in very handy when there's severe disruptions caused by weather. This is a fun tool to have around the house day to day. Speaking to elderly relatives, having with your kids also should be part of your preparation plan because when stuff hits the fan and you want to be able to talk to family member, family members a mile or hundreds of miles down the road, Rapid radios is there for you. They were there for my family. Go to rapidradios.com you'll get up to 60% off. Free UPS shipping from Michigan plus a free protection bag. Add code radio and get an extra 5% off. That's Rapidradios.com up to 60% off there. Plus when you add code radio, you'll get an extra 5% off.

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[Buck Sexton]

Welcome back in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. We're rolling through the Wednesday edition of the program and Buck, there's a major viral controversy out there and it has turned into a really sort of cultural flashpoint. You have the facts, I think in front of you right now. But there was a dad who was trying to get to a job interview and he had three young kids and he took them to McDonald's. The interview was close to the McDonald's. The kids are 10 years old, 4 years old and 1 year old.

[Clay Travis]

10, 6 and 1.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay, 10, 6 and 1. And he left them at the McDonald's to do the interview. Where did this take place?

[Clay Travis]

So this was in Augusta, Georgia, and it was one of those McDonald's that has the attached playground.

[Buck Sexton]

Right.

[Clay Travis]

And so he, and it was right next to where the job interview is. This guy's 24 years old, Chris Lewis, he's a, he's a father, he's a black guy. Augusta, Georgia, 10 year old, 6 year old, 1 year old children. He went to go to the interview and when he came back, somebody had called, called the police on the fact that these three kids were all, were in the playground. And since this and he was arrested, okay, they arrested him. They didn't just sort of give him a warning, they arrested him. And now this has gotten a lot of attention because people are saying, hold on a second, you know, he doesn't have money for a babysitter. His family situation is difficult. He's trying to get a job to do things the right way, to put money, you know, in the bank account, food on the table for the kids and himself. And you're going to arrest this guy and give him a record over this? A lot of people are saying, you know, 10, 10 years, if you go to just throw this out there, I haven't done this. But my little brother went for a Visit. There's like 8 year olds riding the subway alone in Tokyo. Oh, okay. Like, I mean and like all, not just Tokyo, like all over Japan there are cultures where 8, 9, 10 year olds move about freely. And I think it actually says a lot more that we're all so have to be so freaked out in this country that a 10 year old is going to be kidnapped in public. You know it says a lot more about how we need to work on public safety here. But okay, what do you think? I got to say I find myself in the, you know, I think this is, I don't think the guy should have been arrested. I think the cops probably should. Hey man, like you know, keep it, you know, keep a closer eye on your kids, you know, you know, bad things can happen. I don't think you should have been arrested. I certainly, I think they're. The judge is going to dismiss the charges. A lot of big name celebrities have gotten involved in this. What do you think? I mean basically, okay, a 10 year old, maybe that's too. Is a 12 year old too young?

[Buck Sexton]

Okay, so I've got, I've got three kids that would have been at some point in time roughly akin to these ages. Right. At one point I had a 10 year old, a 6 year old and a 2 year old or some, something like that. So I had three boys around these ages. I need more info. How long were they at the McDonald's? Right. That factors in to me on some level the one, and I think most parents are going to flag this. A one year old is really, really young. So is it like a 1 year old meaning it's a 12 month old or is it like a 1 year old and it's a 22 month old. The reason why I bring up the 1 year old is 1 year olds need diapers changed. Is the 10 year old changing the diaper? Like how long was the dad there with the leaving the kids?

[Clay Travis]

I'm just going to go, I don't know, I don't think he was, I'm just guessing. I don't think he was going for like three hours of interviews at McKinsey or something. Like he probably would sit down with a guy, talk to him for 15 or 20 minutes.

[Buck Sexton]

That's the question, you know what I mean? I would not standard.

[Clay Travis]

Again, not casting any aspersions but I think it's probably a pretty standard job interview. You know, I don't think they were asking him to do multivariable calculus.

[Buck Sexton]

The 10 year old in general, every other, every parent out there is going to understand this too. There's a wide range of 10 year olds when it comes to their responsibility of. Like some 10 year olds are, I mean, that's fifth grade. Some can be. I've got a 10 year old right now, fourth grade. Again, you don't know exactly when they're turning. Are they old? About to be 11 now.

[Clay Travis]

You know, what if, for example, if he had said, just throwing this out there, if he had said to one of the employees at McDonald's, hey, can you keep, can you keep an eye on my kids? I'll be back in 20 minutes. I've just got to run down the street for a job interview. Can you keep an eye on them? Everybody cool with that?

[Buck Sexton]

Everybody that would actually draw more attention to you not being there.

[Clay Travis]

But, but, you know, I'm just. So, what, what are the, what are.

[Buck Sexton]

So I want to know. So first of all, I don't think the guy should be arrested. But again, I want to know more info because as more info comes out, sometimes the cops look more reasonable. What if the kids were there for two hours? What if, what if the one year old was crying and the 10 year old couldn't get it to stop and eventually they had to say like, what's going on?

[Clay Travis]

According to the Augusta Press, it was a short time, came back immediately. Now what is a short time? I mean, a short time is not two hours. I think, you know, less than an hour is a short time in my mind for this kind of a thing. So maybe the kids are there. Let's assume they're there. I don't.

[Buck Sexton]

He's trying to do the. The point is, I think intent matters. He's trying to take care of his family. You don't know what might have happened with the babysitter. Did somebody get sick? Did grandma not be able to help out?

[Clay Travis]

Like, and it's not like, you know, he left the kids so he could go to a strip club in the middle of the day or something. I think it's also right. But I'm just saying, you know, the public sympathy for someone trying to show up for an interview, trying to get a job, trying to earn money the right way is, is substantial here. Yeah, tough spot.

[Buck Sexton]

I would not have. Again, I always want to give the cops benefit the doubt because so many of these stories go viral and then more details come out and you're like, oh, it was two hours and oh, it was a baby and the baby was crying and people were concerned about, I think the 10 and the 6 year old. It wouldn't have been noticed because I think the 10 and the 6 year old, the 1 year old there, that's the 1 year old that throws the.

[Clay Travis]

I think that's very, I mean 10.

[Buck Sexton]

And 6 year olds can go to the bathroom on their own. They can play inside of a play area on their own. A lot of 10 year olds aren't responsible enough to watch a 1 year old. Again, it could be a 1 year old that's almost 2 and the 1 year olds playing in the, in the area itself too. But I'm sympathetic to the dad because. Or the mom.

[Clay Travis]

I would also just say keep in mind because it's at a McDonald's with the attached playground.

[Buck Sexton]

That's right.

[Clay Travis]

There are not only just people, but there are adults who work there who are, you know, you assume that again, look, it's clearly not a perfect situation. It was not the right move. But is it a arrestable, you get a criminal record move is really where people have said, hold the, hold on a second.

[Buck Sexton]

No, I don't think it's an arrestable move and I think it's a warning. And again, I want to know more details. I would love to hear from the guy. Has he done an interview yet? Like this is something that I think would be a.

[Clay Travis]

He's got a, he's got a GoFundMe that's kicking up.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay, well, I like the GoFundMe, but we have a huge audience in Augusta. I think we have nearly the number one radio show in Augusta. Georgia Masters are coming up soon. I bet there's people who own businesses that would be interested in hiring this guy if again, he's got a, the willingness to try to put his family first.

[Clay Travis]

So that's the point. I think you met, you said the word intent and I think that that needs to be always such in most statutes. It is not always, but I think it should always at least be taken into account before you're going to charge somebody and give somebody possibly a criminal record. People trying to do the right thing, absent recklessness or, you know, some very specific set of circumstances should certainly be always taken as a mitigating factor. Like I wasn't trying to do anything wrong. I was actually trying to do a good thing and had an error of judgment. You know, and look, judges do take this into. I don't think this guy is going to end up getting a criminal record.

[Buck Sexton]

I think also, again, it's also the case every single parent has had this happen where you try to do everything right and you've got a babysitter and you've got somebody to watch your kid and it doesn't happen. Every single parent listening to me right now has had grandma or an aunt or a babysitter scheduled. And then at the last possible moment, you get a call, babysitter, sick babysitter just isn't that reliable, doesn't show up. And this guy, if he had the interview again, I would love to hear the full story because I think we could get this guy hired in Augusta, Georgia, just based on our Augusta, Georgia listenership. If the story is as it has been reported and he's trying to bust his ass to help take care of three young kids and he knows he has to get this job, what other options do you have? He, it's hot, right? You don't want to leave the kids in the car because God forbid, that's way more dangerous.

[Clay Travis]

Clear safety issue. As a whole set, that would be child endangerment, no question.

[Buck Sexton]

Now, you could show up at the interview with the kids and be like, hey, this is why I need the job so bad. But again, like, he probably doesn't want to look like desperate or unreliable that you need to bring bringing your kids to a job interview.

[Clay Travis]

What is the, what is the age at which you are free and clear to let a child stay, you know, stay either? Well, I think home is probably different than in a public.

[Buck Sexton]

Totally different.

[Unknown]

Right?

[Buck Sexton]

That is true.

[Clay Travis]

So, but what would be the age at which we would all say, oh, it's fine that you let your kids stay alone at McDonald's while you went down the block for an hour. Is it, is it 13 an hour, everybody?

[Buck Sexton]

An hour is a long time. Like the 10 and the 6 year old. I think a lot of parents would say McDonald's playground, if suddenly you had to run next door for 20 minutes, you wouldn't want to do it. Dad, by the way, way more likely to do it than mom, let's be honest, like dad, Dads have a little bit higher risk tolerance for kids than mom does. But I think a lot of dads, 10 and 6, it's the one that I come back to.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, the one is that one year.

[Buck Sexton]

Old is like, I mean you're in a, you're basically in a carrying case if you're a young one year old. If you're one and a half, I.

[Clay Travis]

Mean, when me, the one year old was in a stroller basically in the shade. Again, we don't know all the details of situation one year on the stroller. They're in the playground, you know, I, if I were him, I Would have said, hey, could you keep an. I. Well, I would have tried not to do this whole thing, obviously, but in a worse, worst case basis, like, oh my God, my house is burning down, I need to run down the street. I think I would have told somebody at McDonald's, hey, could you just do me a solid and keep an eye on my kids? You know, because you can see them from.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, again, I, I would love to talk to this guy to find out the details. Presumably another parent is the one who raised the issue. Was their kids, were the kids misbehaving inside of the play area?

[Clay Travis]

Details matter a lot here.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

You know, so for some reason, did the kids look like they were in distress where they all. Was one of them, were they crying and they felt like they were abandoned? Again, we don't know everything.

[Buck Sexton]

Did one of, one of the parents there say, where's your dad or your mom? And they're like, oh, he left us.

[Clay Travis]

But what is the age as a parent where you are in America now, where you are? I mean, I bet we have people call in who are like, I was, you know, 11 and like driving a pickup truck down the road. And, you know, we're in a rural area and like, you know, I know that would have been 40 or 50 years ago maybe, but I think things have changed.

[Buck Sexton]

I think the standards are a lot different even than when we were kids. I mean, I rode the school bus home in fifth grade, got out, walked home, nobody else was in the house.

[Clay Travis]

What are you, like 12?

[Buck Sexton]

11, I think in fifth grade. Yeah, I mean, that's what I'm saying. Is this kid fifth grade? Fourth. I've got a fourth grader now.

[Clay Travis]

Yes. I think it's, I think a 13. I think if someone says, oh, you know, can your 13 year old be alone in public for an hour without parental supervision under certain circumstances, I think.

[Buck Sexton]

Most people would say, oh, 13 is 100. Right? Like 13 years, go to the mall and walk. But so I think, I think the 10 year old is right on that level because 10 year old can be fifth grade. 10 year old can be fourth grade. Like you are reliable. Also, does a kid have a phone? You know, some ability to be contacted? And again, how long were they actually left there? Did they buy food? Like, I think that factors in too, because if you own McDonald's and you just drop your kids off and you don't buy any food, don't buy any drink, I think people would say, you know, like, that's different too.

[Clay Travis]

I'd be curious for any of if you're a parent and you have a. We want. If you have a strong take on this one way or the other. Yeah, he should have been arrested. You can't do this. Reckless the one year old or. This is nuts. Why would some. Because you know, Clay and I have both been kind of going back and forth in it. If you think it's crazy he got arrested. He wasn't trying to. Let's, let's hear from you on this. And also if you're from law enforcement, I'm wondering if you have any experience with this kind of thing and where you draw the line. I'm probably in different states there's a different, there are different guidelines about this. But when is it. It was like endangering a minor or something like that was what he was. Deprivation of a minor was the charge he was arrested for. Okay, well is that, is that kind of up to the discretion of the officer in a situation, you know, absent abuse, anything bad happening, is that up to the officer? I'm kind of curious. I have no idea.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, and I'm curious on the responses. And again in Augusta, this is a 24 year old guy. Now it says that he has a 10 year old, May not be his kid.

[Clay Travis]

Right.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean he may be taking care of other people's kids. Maybe some of the kids are his. I just need more information to have a full on opinion on it. But what do they always say? I think it's 100% true. You know who the best employees are? Men with kids, man with the kids, man with a family is going to show up and he's going to come to work. As a general rule, more reliable than a single guy is.

[Clay Travis]

VIP email from Gary, Is this correct? How about the fact that he's 24 with a 10 year old kid?

[Buck Sexton]

Well, that's what it says. So I was just saying is it actually his? Is it actually his kid? The oldest 10 year old, is he in charge of taking care of multiple kids? Again, there are a lot of details.

[Clay Travis]

There's stuff we. I didn't even think about that. Now there's stuff we don't know.

[Buck Sexton]

Definitely need to be fleshed out. But I mean there are people who have young kids, have kids at young ages and are trying to do the right thing. And to me, if you're trying to get a job to take care of your family, intent matters here. You're trying to do something to help your family be better off than they otherwise would. Which is why I want to know more details. But again I also think you have to be fair to the police because the police oftentimes don't get their full story told. How many times have we seen a viral story where the police are the bad guy and the police are the bad guys here and then the details come out and it's like well the kids are there for an hour and a half.

[Clay Travis]

I won't, I wouldn't even say the police the bad guy. It might, it might be, it's kind of like with a teacher in school sometimes they say you don't hear something. And my police might, it might be mandatory because of the age of the one year old. No parental. So I, I actually don't blame the officers without knowing what all the facts are and being on the. I'm not blaming the officers. Like there's a lot that's. But the, the bottom line here is what's the age at which you're allowed to leave a kid in public alone and not get arrested?

[Buck Sexton]

I don't, I. 10, 6 year olds I would be okay with. Some of you are going to say.

[Clay Travis]

This but it might not be actually be a function of law in some states. I don't know.

[Buck Sexton]

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News and politics. But also a little comic relief. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.