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Clay Travis
Welcome, everybody. Monday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show kicks off right now. Markets little look a little rough this morning. We'll discuss this. Is it time for a rate cut at the Fed? Trump certainly thinks so. He's he losing patience with Jerome Powell, Obviously. The biggest news story today. We will dive into it shortly. Here is the passing of Pope Francis. You got billions of Catholics around the world very, very much dialed into the legacy, the life and legacy of Pope Francis. So we shall discuss some of that. J.D. vance just met with him on Sunday. So it does seem a bit subtle that all of a sudden the Pope is no more. They're going to have to elect a new one. The conclave is going to get together, the smoke's going to have to come out of the chimney, all that stuff. So we shall discuss that. The first Jesuit pope, which is, I think, interesting, and the first Latin American pope. Those are the two standouts, at least in terms of his bio. We can talk about some of his policies and some of his. Well, some of what he stood for, some of what he said. Coming up here. We've got updates on immigration and deportation, specifically, Democrats still making Kilmar Abrego Garcia, one of their great causes. Someone they are very concerned with returning to the United States so that we can deport him again. Just want to be clear. I don't think anyone believes that that is not what the end state of the. Of the legal system would be. But. But we gotta bring him back so we can deport him the right way, they say. Is he a member of Ms. 13? Yeah, but maybe they'll say he's not. Depends on the day. Uh, so we have more on that for all of you also, Clay, I thought this was interesting. There's reporting in the Wall Street Journal that the Trump administration is considering different ways to encourage having kids. A. A pro. I guess it's a pronatalism policy. Having more babies they want. Trump wants more babies, probably as many babies as we can have.
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Buck Sexton
So, you know, certainly Elon's doing his best to help out there.
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Clay Travis
Elon is. You could say he's a pioneer. I'm not sure everybody would agree with the way he's doing it, but you could say he's a pioneer in the natalism world, in the pro. He's definitely pro baby making. That part of it we can all agree on. But, Clay, I was thinking about this this morning. I think nationwide about 20%. Oh, wait, sorry. Before we get into that. And they're going after Pete Hegseth again. They really want. They really want that Sec Def scalp the media. It's not going to happen. It's a lot retread of old stories and everything else. They're not going to get it. But you can tell they're really turning up the heat on him more than anyone else in the administration, which I think for a lot of us indicates. Well, that means we definitely want him to stay. That means he's shaking things up in a way that makes the bad people uncomfortable. But. Okay, now the Pope. Let's get into clay. What are you a Methodist or something? A Southern Baptist. What are you?
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Buck Sexton
Southern Baptist. So. So, yeah, I was not a Pope aficionado growing up. Didn't know a lot about the Pope. But you remember a couple of years ago, and it was one of the most awesome trips of. Of my life. I got to go, I took my kids and we went to Rome and we toured the Vatican and we got to experience what it is like the pomp, the circumstance, the majesty that surrounds everything having to do with the Catholic Church. So I was not raised in the Catholic Church and don't have a ton of experience other than going to a few funerals, a few weddings that are in the Catholic faith. But I certainly appreciate the, the, the impact and the power, like I said, of the Vatican and know and follow as a news story the selection of the new Pope and find it to be very intriguing in the way that it takes place with the white smoke and the papal enclaves and everything else, conclaves and everything else that's associated with it. You are the expert, however, on the selection of the next pope as it pertains.
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Clay Travis
That's very generous.
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Buck Sexton
The expert of this show may not be a high standard, but the expert I'm not gonna.
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Clay Travis
There's a lot of you listening who know a lot about this Pope and about the latest things going on within the church. Compared to me, I went to Jesuit school and he was a Jesuit of the Society of Jesus of that order, and the first one ever to become Pope, which is interesting. As I said, he's Argentine or I never know if it's Argentine or Argentinian, but we'll just go with Argentinian. He's Argentinian by birth. The interesting things about this Pope, I mean, one is he on some things that matter very much. And I want to expand this discussion out so it's not just about. Because for a lot of people, if you're a practicing Catholic. The Pope is obviously the head of the church, very important, the vicar of Christ here on earth, Lord's pontiff, all that stuff. But there's also bigger issues that he was addressing that I think had a lot of impact. We have about a billion and a half Catholics around the world, so there's a lot of Catholics. I know many of you listening are of different Protestant denies. I'd say we pro. What do you think? I would guess this is what I was going to say before. I would think our audience is a little more Catholic than the, than the nation overall. I would say it's probably more like 30% of our listeners are Catholic. I would guess 20%, I think, is the national number. I would say we're probably more like 30% here. You know, I don't think we have quite as many like far left atheist types listening. So, you know, you're gonna have more, you're gonna have more people who are Christian of religious faith. So then a much bigger denominator or much bigger chunk I think would be Protestant. But anyway, Clay, I mean, here's where it came down for a lot of people. This is a Pope who did not allow priests to marry, did not move on the issue of abortion and still was, was ardently pro life, did not have any policies particularly that advance, like the trans agenda. So there were some areas where he was a traditionalist. The problem is he was a big climate change guy and he was somebody who spoke a lot about, about social justice, but also in the context of being effectively open borders. And I just, I don't agree with that. Now he wasn't speaking ex cathedra on those issues, which means it's not considered church doctrine. It's not from, from God through the Pope to his, to his flock. But I didn't agree on those things. So there's some, there's some stuff that I liked and you know, there's a big move toward more traditional Christianity and traditional Catholicism more specifically in this country. Clay, right now, as people have realized, a lot of the secular left wing stuff is a bridge to nowhere.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah. I think there is a increasing search for meaning and I think that certainly is translating with young men. I just finished the first draft of the book that I'm writing about why Trump was able to have such success with young men and why that has continued and why the Republican Party is having such success with young men. I think a lot of young men, and increasingly young women too, are aware that they have been sold something that is untrue that is. And again, anytime we talk about this, people are because they don't have this particular lifestyle. But I'll just say it. I mean, you just had a baby. The best possible formation for raising children is husband and wife, nuclear family. And one of those individuals is able to be the primary caregiver. That is a reason that has endured for thousands and thousands of years. That doesn't mean that some of you out there can't both have fabulous jobs and there can't be daycare and there can't be parents and I mean grandparents and aunts and uncles and brothers and sisters and all these other different individuals that are involved in raising kids. It is incredibly important. I think a lot of what has been sold to women in particular, and I'm fired up on this because I just finished writing this section of my book. But to women in particular, if you went back in time, buck, to the 1960s and you told a single young man, hey, what's the world that you would most like to embody to find in the world? I think you would probably hear that single young man describe the lifestyle that exists now for men. That is women's empowerment. And this is going to get people riled up too. But to a large extent, women's empowerment, I think, has actually given men everything they wanted. And think about it for a minute now, for young men, you have never had to work less in order to have access to tons of pretty girls. You don't even have to take them out on dates. Now you can send 20 different text messages of you up. And this is the reality of the world that exists now. If you're 16 to, you know, 35 and you're single out there and Buck, you just went through it now you're married. But I think a lot of women and men are not coming together. They're not getting married, they're not having children. And we are learning that trying to make women more like men and men more like women actually means that everybody doesn't like each other as much as they otherwise would. They like the sexes to be different. And this idea that you can be any gender or babies, sometimes doctors get babies wrong. I think you're seeing a profound repudiation of this era and I wonder the reflection of who they are going to select as the next pope. It's fine to be in some way welcoming of difference, but at some point in time you do need to recognize that there is traditional value in the decisions that have been made for thousands of years. And I see that all kind of coming together in terms of the decision they make as to who the next pope is.
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Clay Travis
I think one thing that is true, irrespective of time or culture or anything else, is that for human happiness to flourish, you actually need to care about something more than you care about yourself. That a focus on the self and the deep and really malignant narcissism that is, I think, really a defining characteristic of culture for young people today. Maybe it has been for a long, longer time than that. But the self obsession with what I want, what I need, when I want it, is. Is just a pathway to unhappiness, I think, in the. In the long run and maybe even in the short run. And I think that when people look to things like family and faith and. And what really matters and causes beyond themselves, that they can actually impact or affect, which is a very important. This is where, you know, this is. Pope was very into social justice. I think social justice for a lot of people and the causes, including things like climate change that go under that clay is off often a. An easy way out for people, because saying that you, you know, you want equal pay or saying that you stand for climate change or Ukraine or the. Or, you know, FAUCI or whatever it is, whatever your new quasi religion is of the moment, that's easy and can make people in the short term feel good about themselves. But it's empty because it requires no discipline and no effort, and there's nothing that you're really doing. Whereas helping somebody in your family or helping somebody in your community who really is in a desperate situation, taking action that sacrifices your own immediate comforts and interests for other people, and doing that on a daily basis, tending to your own flock, those around you, that I think is a far more tried and true way to achieve purpose, which is really what our modern culture, because we live lives generally clay have so much convenience. Every food is delicious, entertainment is everywhere. You know, sex has been cheapened and easy for most people to get or, you know, or they just do only fans or what. All this stuff, all the endorphin and serotonin rush that people are constantly chasing, I think what they really want is purpose. And whether you're 20 or 80, I think purpose is the thing that leads to more lasting, real happiness in a deep, philosophical sense. And I think that that's the role that the Catholic Church plays for bringing it full circle for a lot of people, their relationship with God, those who believe in Christ and his resurrection. We just had Easter. Happy Easter to all of you who celebrate. I think that this is a moment for people who, even if you're not a Catholic, even if you're not a Christian, there can be reflection on this. But certainly for Catholics and Christians, what are we all doing to live the faith that we profess and to actually take what we know about a good life and put it into action? Because we live in a social media hashtag. No one uses hashtags anymore. But you know, we live in a selfie, uber eats, Netflix, quick, fast and easy culture. And I think that's a big park clay of what leads to so much unhappiness.
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Buck Sexton
I also think to your point, if people don't have a larger purpose, they will find it. And sometimes they find it in politics, which I think has happened on the left in particular. A lot of these, in my opinion, women who would otherwise have been raising families have decided that the Democrat party is the family they don't otherwise have. And I think there's a profound sadness there, honestly, that that is where you would choose to find your sense of purpose is entirely in the political realm and entirely with one political party. But deep thoughts to start off a Monday morning as we are coming out of the Easter holiday and as the Pope, who I think it's kind of fair to say shockingly, has passed because he was just public yesterday and there seemed to be some idea that he had come through the worst of his health related conditions when it seemed like he might pass. And then he's public yesterday and then, and then overnight he, he passed. Still a tense time for those living in Israel. We're just talking about coming out of Easter in the Holy Week, 18 months after the Hamas terrorist attack. The threat of another missile attack by one of the big enemies over there, Hezbollah, Hamas or the Houthis, is still very real. For every effort there is to lead a normal life, there's a reminder. Missile attacks can occur at any given moment. That's why we're partnering with the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews to help provide life saving aid and security essentials. Your urgently needed gift today will help provide security essentials like bomb shelters, flak jackets, bulletproof vests. They will help first responders with armored security vehicles, ambulances, and much more. I've seen all the incredible work these guys do and I encourage you to join us in helping to support them and stand with Israel. Call now to make your gift. 888488 IFCJ. That's 888-488-4325. You can also go online to supportifcj.org to give that website again. Supportifcj.org you ain't imagining it. The world has gone insane. Reclaim your sanity with Clay and Buck. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Clay Travis
Your TV is welcome back into Clay and Buck. There are two losses that a lot of people are focused on right now. One is the loss of Pope Francis, who we discuss. And by the way, I'll take some of your calls and talk backs on this at the at the back of this hour. So if you want to talk about the Pope at all, what he meant to you, or if you disagree as A Catholic. I know he was very anti the Latin Mass. I would actually, as a. I'm coming back to it. I will tell you. I always want to be very honest with this audience. I was raised quite Catholic in terms of the practice going, everything, all the sacraments, Jesuit. I went to Catholic school and then Jesuit high school, and then I went to Amherst, which was Communist, which actually made me more. I was one of the few people, I remember seeing Justice Scalia's daughter. There was like an on campus church service. There are very few of us. I'm like, oh, like she's here. You know, she's cool. There are very few of us, though, who would go to church on campus. I was one of them. And I want to get back to it now that I'm a father and I think more about the future of my family and also, you know, the future, like eternity and everlasting life, all that. So I'm trying to get back to it. I'll be honest with you. I'm. I'm somebody who has, you know, my mother is very devout, and so I. She's probably listening, Mom. I'm working on it. I'm working on it. I bring this up, Clay, just because I do think I have feelings on. I still have feelings on all this. Right. I don't claim to be an expert, but I have feelings on it all. I think the Latin Mass would be really, really meaningful to a lot of people. I think that the traditions of the church are in so many ways the strength of the church and the. Anyway, that's my. That's my feeling. I think liberalizing it. No, no, no. Actually not a good idea. I think some of the liberal stuff that's going on with the church has been a bad idea. That all said, that's one loss, the loss of Pope Francis. The other loss that the media is giving a lot of attention to, not quite as much as the Pope today, because that just happened. But, Clay, the loss from America of Kilmar Abrego Garcia.
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Buck Sexton
Yes.
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Clay Travis
A very different Latin American fellow than Pope Francis, and he is somebody that they have really decided to make the symbol of Trump resistance right now. Very interesting to me. They haven't gone all in. I mean, the Institutional Democrat apparatus is not all in on Carmelo Anthony and the stabbing case and all this. They've. That's online, you'll see that. And there's some activists, local activists, but I think the mainstream Democrat Party realizes that this is not going to go well for them if they really get too into this. I think maybe I'm wrong. They could turn it into another O.J. you know, celebrated case. We'll talk about that. But they've really gone all in on Abrego Garcia. And here is Senator Van Hollen Clay from Maryland talking about this meeting with this guy play 15.
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Buck Sexton
He said he was not afraid of the other prisoners in his immediate cell, but that he was traumatized by being at seacot, fearful of many of the prisoners in other cell blocks who called out to him and taunted him in various ways. His conversation with me was the first communication he'd had with anybody outside of prison since he was abducted. He said he felt very sad about being in a prison because he had.
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Clay Travis
Clay, you know, people pointed out. I know, I know, yeah, like a lot. He's like a lost puppy. People have pointed out. He didn't even ask apparently, or wouldn't give an answer. Is he a member of Ms. 13, yes or no. Is he a part of this?
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Buck Sexton
Did he beat his wife? She said he did. I mean, that seems kind of significant to me too. I think we played the team. Can remind me if we played it or not. I know I shared it on social. When you get grilled by Michael Strahan on Good Morning America and you can't answer a basic question of whether she was fearful of him. This is. So let's talk about the Garcia we said told you months ago this was what their focus was going to be. They were going to find one person who was deported. They were going to decide to make him the front facing example of how unfair deportations were. But I do think. And they picked a poor example, right? An alleged wife beater, someone who was accused of human smuggling pulled over in Tennessee. The Biden FBI said, hey, let him go. Someone who has what appears to be Ms. 13 gang signed on his knuckles. If you looked at the picture that Donald Trump shared, the location of his arrest, the people that he was consorting with at the time of the arrest, all of these things make him not a particularly. The fact that he's here illegally and no one disputes it. All these things make him not a particularly sympathetic plaintiff, as we would say, or forward facing client in this respect. But here is what's really going on. What we're really seeing is Biden let in around 10 million illegals in four years. And we've had conversations about this buck. I remember during the election saying, I thought that Trump could shut down the southern border. The challenge was going to be deporting massive amounts of illegals And I was talking with some people over the weekend, and on a pace right now, Trump is going to be able to deport about 350,000 people. Okay? That means that it would take around 30 years of doing this same pace to just deport the people that Biden let in in the last four years. If you open the floodgates and allow everybody in and you don't have a mechanism by which the President can then deport massive amounts of people as well, then effectively the Democrats win. And that is, I think, what their calculus was all long buck. I think they made the choice. Once we let these people in, given the laws and given the roadblocks, we can put up to any deportation process, it's going to become virtually impossible to ever get these people out. And this presumes that we even have a president who wants to shut down the southern border. Because the lesson here is if they win in 2028, they'll probably wide open the southern border again and we'll have millions more people coming in. I was reading this morning their interviews with people who have decided not to come into the United States, where they said, hey, we just have to wait for another Democrat president to be able to do this again. And you'll remember, as soon as Biden was elected, those caravans started in massive numbers. So what Trump is trying to do.
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Clay Travis
They were literally showing up with Biden T shirts.
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Buck Sexton
Yes.
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Clay Travis
And they were asked by reporters, hey, why are you here? Because of Biden?
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Buck Sexton
They were telling us, yes, because Biden wants us to come. Was even some of the answers, because that was the way it was being told. So my point on this is we're having a now legal battle over whether Trump can expansively define illegal immigration and use that under hundreds of year old laws to be able to deport people rapidly. We need Congress to act in this respect to make it easier for people to be deported. The challenge is, I suspect that Democrats would in many respects throw up the filibuster, which, remember, they claimed was racist and antiquated and didn't need to exist anymore. Now suddenly they're going to use it abundantly against Trump in the Senate because they only have 47 seats. And so the Supreme Court over the weekend, to me, stepped in and issued a stop order on the deportation of these violent criminals. And I think they did it in a, in a mechanism that suggests that they may well restrict Trump's ability to be able to rapidly deport people, which means these millions of illegals are essentially here to stay.
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Clay Travis
We just come Back to this philosophical, this philosophical reckoning that I think a lot of Americans have had. You cannot look at us and say the rule of law, the Constitution, due process only matters to prevent people from being told to leave. Does not matter. Despite all of the laws, when it comes to they are arriving and they are staying in violation of laws. Right. This can't be a one way street situation or else we don't really have a country anymore. And I think that this is also where this should be thought. This is an emergency. The number of illegals who have come into the country, and particularly those who have come in under Biden. This is a national emergency because we have seen the serial violations of our sovereignty to such a degree that it has eroded faith in the, in the rule of law. This is an enormous burden on the taxpayer, an enormous burden on our social and political fabric. I mean, are these, do they speak English? Are they American? What makes them Americans? Some of them have been here for a year or two. Well, some people study abroad. If I, if I study abroad in Australia, am I, am I an Aussie all of a sudden, by the way, at least there I would speak the language. What if I studied abroad in Tokyo and said, you know what, guys, I'm as Japanese as all of you, I'd be laughed at. Yes, but yet in this country, the Democrat Party has decided that America is an idea. No, America is actually people. It is 340 million people who are supposed to be here who live in a place known as America, but it is actually us. It's not just a land mass. This is not just a real estate transaction that we're discussing. And Clay, I think that's where the, the reckoning comes from. That's where people are just saying, hold on a second. So are we supposed to have multiple tiers, multiple levels of review and jury trial and more review for every person who's come here illegally? The whole system, they've overwhelmed the system. They have flooded the system intentionally. And now you're gonna say, well, the system requires X or Y. No, the system requires. This is an emergency. People have to be told to go home and maid to go home. This is not their home.
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Buck Sexton
And that is what the real battle is. The Garcia fellow is the front facing aspect of this. But make no mistake, they are desperately trying to stop Trump from sending out people who were illegally here. And there's lots of numbers floating around. We should probably get Stephen Miller on again because he's the expert on this to be able to just give us the facts. But you'll see a lot of things on social media about how many people were deported and deported deporters in chief. A lot of times, Buck, they were counting. I was diving into this. They were counting people who were turned away at the border as being.
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Clay Travis
As deportations. Yes, I know. They didn't. They started that under Obama to create the impression that he was the deporter in chief so that he would have more political capital to try to swindle Republicans with the Gang of Eight bill with member of the Senate Gang of Eight into an amnesty. It was, oh, look, Obama's serious about border security. Look at the numbers. The numbers were all fudged. The numbers were fake. It was a joke.
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Buck Sexton
In other words, it's important for you guys to think about the difference between people here that are taken internally and flown out and people who are stopped at the border. Many of those numbers out there, they're counting people stopped at the border as being deported, which is not really the same thing.
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Clay Travis
It's not. It's really a turnaway. And beyond that, Clay, a lot of the people who are stopped at the border and deported, you know what happens? They just go west or they go east and they cross again.
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Buck Sexton
Right.
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Clay Travis
So people think, oh, problem solved. Look at all these. Not problem solved, but problem getting better. Look at these numbers. No, they just, if you turn right back around, a lot of these people have paid the, you know, they paid the cartel coyotes, they've done the human trafficking. You know, they've been a part of that human trafficking pipeline and they're just going to find another place to try to cross and the next time they'll probably get through.
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Buck Sexton
Here's a question for you. Well, I'll get your answer. On the flip side, what do you think the actual number of illegals in the country as we are speaking today is? I want to get your. Now I'm curious what your number would be. I've got one that I've got jotted down on the, on my page. I won't tell you what it is. We'll see what our numbers are and see how close our numbers will be.
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Clay Travis
Like rock, paper, scissors. We'll just, that's right, the same time here.
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Buck Sexton
It'll be like the, the, the, the, the. Well, we don't know the full number, but it's like the Price is Right when everybody has to bid on what they think the number is. I'll let the crew in studio, New York City. You guys also jot down on a piece of paper what you think the actual number of illegal immigrants is as we speak right now. Look over the weekend, a lot of people dove into golf. A lot of golf going on Easter weekend, lots of time with family. NHL playoffs are underway. NBA playoffs are underway. Major League Baseball was on in the Travis household as the Atlanta Braves finally won some games. And if you're a diehard sports fan like I am, like Rush was, you may well want to get hooked up right now with prize picks. Best way to to have fun with Sports. More than 30 states, California, Texas, Georgia included. If you've been feeling left out. Withdrawals fast, safe and secure. You can deposit very easily as well. And you get $50 instantly after you play your first $5 by going to prizepix.com code clay$50 instantly after you pay. Play your first $5 lineup. That is prizepix.com code Clay get signed up all over the country. 13 million people playing prizepix.com code CLAY price picks run your game. Get $50 when you go to pricepix.com code clay right now, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton telling it like it is. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcast.
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Clay Travis
I want to jump into where the Democrats are, where their leadership fight stands. All of that coming up here. But first, just to deal with this, there's a story out there, NPR reporting, that there is already a process underway to replace Pete Hegseth as secretary of Defense. I'm not buying it. I don't believe it. I don't think that's happening. Could be wrong. But I don't, I would, I would place a considerable wager that Pete's going to be just fine with this, especially based on what these, the transgressions that are listed in these reports. But I will say this, Clay, there, there should be a recognition, I think there is with this White House, that if you give the media what they want on anything and they clearly really want this, you've pointed this out. I would give you full credit for this observation. I agree with it that, because I thought RFK Jr would get far more because remember, it's not just that he, you know, that he's a, a guy who goes against the system and Fauci and all this stuff. But he's also an apostate from the Democrat Party. Right? He's a, he's a refugee from liberalism, at least on some issues, at least as it pertains to health. He's not part of their system. They have, they have focused 80% of their cabinet ire on Pete Hegseth all along.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah. And by the way, it's not just RFK junior Tulsi Gabbard did the same thing. I mean, she ran for president as a Democrat in 2020. Both of them got confirmed. And I would say, you know, we're coming up on 100 days of the Trump presidency. Compared to the amount of attacks that have come down on Pete Hegseth. It's, it's pretty extraordinary how much of the fire has been focused on him. And I think one of the reasons is because he wasn't in the cool kids club in any way, because he was not a, a longtime Pentagon official. He didn't work his way up that way. And I think there have been a lot of people that were unhappy that Trump picked a proverbial outsider. And they really lined up against him in a way that frankly wasn't reflected in any other cabinet. I mean, he only got in because J.D. vance broke the tie. 50 50. There were three Republicans who decided to vote against him. And nearly it came down to North Carolina Senator whether or not he was going to get confirmed or not. And they haven't really relented on him since. Every story that has been written about him in the New York Times, the Washington Post, cnn, the usual suspects, they've all been negative. Not one single positive story's been written. I'll give you one that's actually hugely positive. The amount of people that want to serve in our armed forces since Pete Hegseth became Defense secretary has skyrocketed. They may not like the fact that he's out working out with guys all over the world that are in our armed forces, but I think having a youthful defense secretary actually connects with a lot of 18 to 24 year old dudes out there, I think saying, hey, we're going to hire people and we want you to kick the bad guy's ass. I think that's a lot more appealing than find your gender identity in the Marines. Right. I mean, I think most of the young guys and gals that they are hiring that want to serve our country want to kick ass. That's what their goal is.
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Clay Travis
And as is so often the case when it comes to opposition to the Trump administration, Clay success for Secretary of Defense Hegseth, while good for the country, Democrats view it as bad for them. And so if he were able to continue on this pathway, to your point about making the military much more like the perception that the military was putting out, do you remember, remember some of the commercials?
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Xumo Marketing Team
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Clay Travis
For the Marines when You were growing up and I remember seeing this and you know, they had the, they had the marine dress, dress uniform on and the sword. And you're like, this is badass. I think I want to be a Marine. Right. Some of the army ads that you would see, I wanted to be a.
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Buck Sexton
Fighter pilot after Top Gun Buck, they leaned in. I think they've done a good job with Top Gun Maverick. But when I was five or six and Top Gun, the original came out, how could you watch that movie as a kid and not want to be a jet fighter pilot?
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Clay Travis
Well, you definitely have the humility to be a fighter pilot. There you go.
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Buck Sexton
That's right. That's right.
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Clay Travis
You know, you know how you know who a fighter pilot is, right? When he walks in the room, he'll tell you. So I got, I got to father in law jokes. I got to, you know.
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Buck Sexton
Did you see, did you see the. This is funny. Did you see the story that went viral where the pilot saw an Instagram influencer and he. Did you see this story? It went mega viral. He just wrote a note and it just said, you are the most beautiful girl I've seen in a very long time. On a note, on like a napkin and just put it down with her and wrote like, Ben or whatever his name was. No phone number, no nothing else. And it just rocked the Instagram influencers world. She's like some random pilot just dropped this note on my, you know, like they were at like a restaurant or bar in the airport and it went mega viral. Millions of people saw it and everybody was like, that's a pilot life. You know, like, these guys just have unbelievable self confidence. They just roll right up to gorgeous girls, drop a note, don't even give their phone number, just keep walking. Anyway, this thing went mega viral and I think ties in with that. I don't think they. By the way, would you want an unconfident person piloting a fighter jet? Would you want somebody who's like, I think I'm okay at it. Or do you want somebody who's like, hey, just get in, kick back, I got you. I want somebody who's pretty confident about flying a jet.
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Clay Travis
Yeah, well, the person you want driving the plane, flying the plane when you're in it is the person who wants to be in that seat when stuff gets tough. Right? That's what every. You want the person who goes, everyone.
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Buck Sexton
Else, by the way, I don't want a surgeon who's like, I think I'm pretty good. I, you know, sometimes I get the Wrong ventricle crossed up on the hearts. No, I want somebody who's like, I am God's gift to surgery. Yes, I got you, brother. Don't worry. That's what I want.
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Clay Travis
But, but I see this from content on, like, TikTok and Instagram. There's these, these different characteristics of medical specialties. And, you know, cardiac and brain surgeons in particular, just like, hi, I'm God. Nice to meet you. That's. Whatever.
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Buck Sexton
And you know what, A lot of those guys also learn how to be pilots because I think they have, like, that idea that they are uniquely skilled and it probably is the same mindset that translates to flying a plane that operating on a heart would, would require, I think, in many respects.
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Clay Travis
Yes. Well, our friend Pete Hegseth also does not lack for confidence. And he is the Secretary of Defense right now. And he has, according to Caroline Levitt, this is cut one fully standing behind Pete Hegseth at this point. Just play this for everybody.
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The President stands strongly behind Secretary Hegseth, who is doing a phenomenal job leading the Pentagon. And this is what happens when the entire Pentagon is working against you and working against the monumental change that you are trying to implement. Secretary Hegseth was nominated for this position because he is standing up for the war fighter. The men and women in uniform who are putting their lives on the line to protect our country and our homeland. And unfortunately, there have been people at that building who don't like the change the Secretary is trying to bring. So they are leaking and they are lying to the mainstream media. We've seen this game played before. The Secretary is doing a tremendous job job, and the President stands strongly behind him.
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Clay Travis
I don't see that swerving, changing, walk back that. I don't think they're going to put Caroline out there. First of all, she's probably talked to Trump about this just a few minutes before making that statement. And look, it is the pleasure of the President, right? So you're, you got to be in the mind of the man to know. But we know Trump pretty well, and I don't think he sees anything here that requires. The only thing that would get Pete canned would be disloyalty to the mission or disloyalty to Trump. To me. That's the, you know, if he, if he did either of those things, and by the way, then we would say, yeah, no, he's got to go. I don't know what happened. But neither of those things. Pete would saw off his own, his own arm before either of those things happened.
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Buck Sexton
I Also think Trump learned the lesson in the first term on many different levels. But one of them was, it doesn't end if he said, okay, Pete Hegseth, I'm going to remove him. We're going to have a new defense secretary. It's not like the media and the people who are attacking him would suddenly say, okay, you know, we're comfortable. The analogy I would make is, and I've been making, I've been on this for years, you can never change a team name because nobody ever says, once you change that team name, hey, you know what? We're done now. So the Redskins name changes, the Indians name changes. They're not satisfied. They don't say, okay, well, this is good. We're back to normal now. They say the Kansas City Chiefs have to go, the Atlanta Braves have to go. They always need a new target. So if you are Trump, my advice to him would be, if you like the people you picked, which it seems he did and does, why in the world would you let people who don't have your best interest at heart in any way encourage you to change the choices that you have made so far? And I think he learned that. I think he had a little bit of, hey, you know, I'll placate my critics. Oh, I'll go ahead and I'll make a shift here. If Heg says gone, who's next? Man up. It's either RFK Jr. Or it's Tulsi. They come with them guns blazing every day.
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Clay Travis
Well, that's exactly right. He knows. Trump knows all too well that if he were to replace his Secretary of defense this early and especially a Secretary of defense who has been so closely associated with loyalty to the president and his mission. The headline in the New York Times is not Donald Trump in an about face and a moment of. Of reasonableness and government, you know, government acumen or efficiency, decided to make a decision that we all agree with. Perhaps we'll see a new no, it's, you know, showing what disorder there is in the Trump administration. Trump has to toss out his Secretary of defense. This is just the beginning. There's so many more who need to go. You know, it's. It just lights their fire, man. It just turns. It just makes them feel like they got one. And that's the, this is the lesson that I'll say also a lot of people learned during the whole cancellation era of, oh, if I apologize or if I bend the knee. Oh, no, you bend the knee and apologize, then you're fired and you're never allowed to work again in your industry.
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Buck Sexton
They. There is no attempt at goodwill or reasonableness. You can't negotiate with these people. This is why my lesson that I've taken from this and sometimes Buck gets drawn into it, is, you don't like something that I did or said. I'm going to double or triple down on what I did or said that you don't like. Because I think that's the only way you can handle these people. If they think that they can get you to step back or not continue to say exactly what you think, they will take advantage of you. They're not, they're not good actors. They're not reasonable people. Reasonable people. You come together and you say, okay, you might not agree with this. Like, let's have a conversation. This is what most of America is like. But the people trying to cancel you, the people who want Hegseth gone, they are not the people out there that are behaving in good faith. And I think Trump had to learn that, because I think there's a part of Trump, and I bet you would sign off on this Tubac that actually does want to be liked. You know, he's trying to get people to like him more. And I think in his first term, he thought, oh, maybe they have a point. Maybe if I try to work with them, they will be more, they'll be fairer. And then they try to, you know, try to put in prison for the rest of the life guy to kill him and it's over.
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Clay Travis
Right.
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Buck Sexton
Like this attempt to in some way make them happy. He's done with it.
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Clay Travis
Yeah. And I think that this is one of the major lessons from the first administration for Trump, which was, you know, I'm not talking about some of the lower level people that had to get fired, like Scaramucci and some of this stuff, but also those were people who just happened to be around and they were staffing up fast. These picks that Trump has put in place, this is his team. He vetted. He knows these people individually, he knows what they're trying to accomplish. And so this isn't, oh, we just needed to grab somebody and someone else said this guy was good. This is, I'm going to feed one of my people to the angry mob. That is, by the way, he's not going to do it, I'm telling you. Right. It's not going to happen. This is, I think this is fake news from npr, which shouldn't be getting.
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Clay Travis
And Buck we were talking about Democrats and the possibility of AOC as a new leader of the Democrat Party. Clay is both somewhat dismissive of this prospect, but I think also enthusiastic if it were to happen because he thinks AOC is going to be easy for our side to handle and deal with. But let's let's get into some of this. First of all, there's clearly an issue that the Democrats have right now. As all the polling shows. It's not just that Trump is getting it done, and so far it's been a really solid administration. It is that the Democrats are, I keep using the word in disarray. The Democrats are in a race rough spot play. 23 I don't think the message that comes from the Democratic Party is a good message. The problem we've got is that we have to depend upon the media to deliver it. If we had the Washington Post, for instance, caving to this wannabe dictator, and we've got other media entities that seem to rather push a narrative that will bring eyes to their newspapers or to their television sets and not really give a fair hearing or reporting to what we're doing. Now, the media component of this first.
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Buck Sexton
Of all, the fact that he's saying the media is not rigged enough in our favor anymore basically is accurate, but also really funny that he is making that case.
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Clay Travis
But so this is, this is where I want to weigh in on the AOC point of things. The legacy media. He's saying, oh, the media is not in on. No. What he's picking up on what Jim Clyburn is referring to. He, he's seeing a shift, but he's misdiagnosing the shift. It's not that the media isn't as on the Democrat team. It's that the legacy, what we used to call the mainstream media, you know, the Democrat aligned corporate media, the, the, the three letter non Fox networks, the biggest newspapers in the country, the Sunday talk shows, right. They all no longer have the ability to influence the conversation the way they used to, even on the Republican side. But in general and certainly on the Democrat side, they don't set the agenda for the nation the way that things used to be. So what he's feeling or he's saying is, oh, they're not as. On our side. It's no, they're just not as effective as they used to be. They don't matter as much as they used to. So this is where I think AOC comes in. I understand people are going to say that AOC is an idiot communist and that she will be a mess for the Democrats and I don't disagree with some of that assessment. But she can just change what she has said in the past. I think that we're in an era now where people are no longer really tied to what they said yesterday, never mind what they said a few years ago politically. And Clay, she has online. What do they say? What do the kids say? Now Riz, which is short, I believe, for charisma, she's got the Riz, she's got aura. She is able to command massive attention and interest in the online ecosystem, which is now a much bigger part of the media apparatus than ever before. That is my pitch to you for why they change what she says. They make her seem slightly less insane. She's, you know, looks good on camera. She's a Latin female. Boom. Or Latin American female. Boom.
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Buck Sexton
I think her problem is Democrats are not going to go with a woman because they saw what happened to Hillary, they saw what happened to Kamala. I think they have gotten burned twice by women. Who did they win with? Joe Biden, this old white guy. I think they will find, looking ahead to 28 AOC as a vice presidential nominee, I think could make sense. I think they will find, interestingly enough, an old white guy or a Barack Obama, like young male, young. Ish. Right. We're talking about politics where if you're 45, this is the Westmore, the Westmore theory.
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Clay Travis
To me, those are the two. It's, you know, the either. So to me that the decision the Democrats are making, Clay, is are they going to build? And remember, this is going to be a process, right? So to what you're saying about with, with aoc, it doesn't even have to just be who's the president in four years, Clay? I mean, who's going to be the primary voice of the Democrats going into the midterms, right? Who's the leader now or soon?
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Buck Sexton
Here's the other thing. Remember that the DNC basically said, bernie, you're not going to be the guy. Bernie is now trying to deputize AOC as the next generation leader.
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Clay Travis
I think as we know, the 100-year-old man thing is not actually a good look in politics. We did learn that from Biden. You can be, you can in fact be too old for this job.
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Buck Sexton
I think the Democrat Party elites do not like aoc and so I think they will line up in some way eventually. Much like they suddenly the party of democracy actually just picks people, right? Obama got past Hillary even though she had all the advantages in 08, but he's the exception. Most of the time they say, hey, you're the guy or you're the galaxy and democracy be damned. James Clyburn, who you just played, remember, Obama came, I mean, sorry, Biden came in, I believe, fifth in Iowa, fourth in New Hampshire, second in Nevada. And then suddenly James Clyburn said it's Biden because everybody was afraid it was otherwise going to be Bernie. It doesn't get talked about enough, but Bernie probably would have been the pick of the Democrat Party but for the rigging in 16 and the choice that he's too radical in 20. They.
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Clay Travis
Okay, so let me, let me just throw this out there though. I think put aside the age going at the last few Democrats, last few Democrat cycles, last few elections, Bernie was a progressive, really, a socialist, maybe a communist who ran as such. And that was the problem for him. What Democrats want is they want Obama. They want a socialist who pretends at election time to be more reasonable on economics or more centrist on these different things. If AOC pivots and says, you know, oh, it was my progressive youth doesn't have to say that, but, you know, that will be the perception. Oh, she was such a progressive, but now she's moving toward the center. That to me is the way that the Democrats get because The Democrats, for them to win a national election. Look what they did with Joe Biden. Oh, he's good old Biden. He's a centrist, he's a moderate. You can trust him. And then you got a communication in the White House saying we need to protect trans surgery for 8 year olds or 10 year olds. I mean, it was insane. Okay, you got far left policy out of a Biden White House. But Biden was the facade to fool people. The Trojan horse. Aoc, if she positions properly in my mind, can be the same thing. The progressives know that she's actually a commie, but she'll, you know, she'll go on with Stephanopolupoulos and she'll say that, oh, no, I believe in a free market economy too. And you know, the usual head fake. That's how I see it playing out.
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Buck Sexton
I got off the AOC bus. You may remember this because you were in New York at the time. Do you remember when she opposed Amazon's new headquarters in Queens? I think it was Long Island City.
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Clay Travis
A big headquarters there. Yeah, I have family that, that have. That live there, so I know all about it.
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Buck Sexton
And when she opposed it, she didn't even understand the concept of how tax rebates worked. She thought that taxpayers were giving billions of dollars in cash to Amazon and she torpedoed that entire deal. Am I remembering correctly? They were going to build a big headquarters in New York city and in D.C. and then she said no. And they basically just are building, I believe in Northern Virginia, a big Amazon east coast headquarters to go along with their west coast headquarters. She destroyed all that. So my concern, as I were looking at this is Hillary got beaten, but Hillary's not a moron. Kamala, I think, was a moron in that Kamala could not elucidate in an intelligent way what she actually supported because she just tripped all over herself. I think AOC is closer to Kamala than she is to Hillary.
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Clay Travis
Is Biden a moron?
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Buck Sexton
Yes.
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Clay Travis
Okay. He was president. He was president.
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Buck Sexton
He's an old white guy. And the data reflected that there were enough old white people who didn't see him as a threat. This is something you got right in the Midwest that I think will see AOC as more of a threat, much like they saw Kamala as more of a threat to their overall lifestyle. In order to get a communist in the White House, you have to hide them. They're able to hide Biden because I don't think Biden knew what he believed in anymore. But he had that moderate History. And they basically just kind of hit him, they put him in the basement and they ran him as generic old white guy candidate. I don't know who the generic old white guy candidate could be in 2028.
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Clay Travis
But you don't look at Obama. You don't have to be a white. I mean, you don't have to be an old white guy.
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Buck Sexton
But Obama motivated minority voters in a way that was unique. Which is why I think the West Moore analogy applies. I think if Westmore were talented, then I think he could be a charismatic younger generation leader. I think AOC is more aligned with Kamala and Hillary. And I just don't think they will pick a woman based on going over two with women.
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Clay Travis
Well, I, for one, Clay, they want to shatter that glass ceiling and they haven't given up the dream. And two, I think that, look, if somebody said, and maybe there's a way I can do this, like put money on a ticket right now, to me it's probably Wes Moore at the top of the ticket with AOC as vp. But I still think that, that AOC in the meantime is a far more important part of the Democrat resistance because Wes Moore can play that role in politics of the all American guy kind of a. It doesn't matter what he really is on policy. Right. They'll just say, whatever. This is the same thing with Obama. Obama was a radical state senator, radical leftist. Obama was the most left wing senator in the United States Senate when he ran for president. And they were, you know, then he gave flowery speeches and everyone. Oh, so they can do the same thing I think with West Moore. So to me it would be Westmore at the top of the ticket and AOC at the bottom of the ticket. But I just think that if you're looking for a leader of the resistance, Bernie too old. I mean Pelosi too old. These people are just. No, they no longer have resonance with the broader electorate. They all look like should be spending time with their great grandkids.
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Buck Sexton
One thing that isn't getting very much attention, but I think is interesting. You know who hasn't been very outspoken about this? Abreu Garcia dude, the governor of Maryland. You got the senator getting on a plane going to El Salvador. West Moore is the governor of Maryland.
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Clay Travis
Yeah.
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Buck Sexton
If he were trying to tack towards the left, wouldn't he be on a plane to El Salvador, El Salvador, talking about his.
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Clay Travis
He could be the lead. He could be the A block first guest on every non fox, you know, left wing cable news show and have a front Page, you know, a top of the fold editorial in the New York Times in an instant. If he wanted to go in on this subject in a heavy way, he's not.
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Buck Sexton
I think that's interesting. The other thing I, you. You've talked about how I trust football fans, sports fans, more than non sports fans.
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Clay Travis
Yeah, it's like a handshake.
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Buck Sexton
It's a secret handshake. I think this guy is not a fake sports fan. He's a big Baltimore Ravens fan. He's got a military background. I saw a video of him tailgating and he didn't look like Tim Walls doing spirit fingers. He just seemed like a normal dude who liked to go have a beer, have a hot dog maybe and get ready for a game. Sports fans can tell whether you're fake or not because a lot of politicians want to appear to be regular guys. The fact that he's not getting all involved in this El Salvador thing, super interesting to me because to your point, he could be on every television show in the country talking about it. I think maybe he's smarter politically than he has been given credit for. He can ride above the fray as a popular governor and then parachute in to the 2028 race as a relatively normal dude. I also know. You know what else, Buck? He actually has a pretty good relationship with Trump, which would surprise people. I think he has been very happy to meet with Trump, call him, be it as public events. I think that he's smarter than a lot of people are giving him credit for. And a lot of people don't even know him yet.
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Clay Travis
I've said all along, I think that he's. I think he's the likeliest guy right now to be the standard bearer for the Democrats in the next election. But that's different than who is the leader of the resistance between now and the midterms, let's say. And I think you're just going to see more and more of aoc and that actually may play to his favor, to West Moore's favor in the general. Just because he doesn't have to, you.
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Buck Sexton
Know, stay out of the fray.
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Clay Travis
His hands.
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Stay out of the fray, man.
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