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Jeremy Scott
Something unexpected happened after Jeremy Scott confessed to killing Michelle Schofield in Bone Valley season one.
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Gilbert King
Every time I hear about my dad is, oh, he's a killer. He's just straight evil.
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Jeremy Scott
I was becoming the bridge between Jeremy Scott and the son he'd never known.
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Gilbert King
At the end of the day, I'm literally a son of a killer.
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Jeremy Scott
Listen to new episodes of bone Valley Season 2, starting April 9 on the iHeartRadio app. App, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Clay Travis
Welcome, everybody. Thursday edition of Clay and Buck kicks off right now. Very pleased to have you with with us here. Clay is doing golf today, couple golf days this week. He says that when you see some of the videotaped swings that he has put forth on the course, it will make Happy Gilmore looked like he didn't know how to swing at all. I don't know. He's talking a big game about it, so we shall see. And we will get into more of that with him tomorrow. He'll be back tomorrow. I'll actually be out in Arizona tomorrow, which I'm looking forward to. I've, believe it or not, I have two great states that in just recent, recent time here, I haven't. Well, I have never visited before and will have recently been to one being Colorado. First ever time in Colorado recently. Lovely place. And Arizona. I've actually never been to Arizona. Been to Baghdad a few times, as I like to say, never been to Arizona. So I need to get there. I'll be there tomorrow. Looking forward to it. All right. I know there's a lot of stuff, a lot of stuff to dive into. We have a Congressman Jim Jordan with us talking to him. Second hour. We'll discuss, oh, so many things. The economy, the Trump agenda, America, the restoration, all those good, good things. And then Senator Marsha Blackburn, third hour, will speak with her about immigration and the deportation flights and also the economy. Cause I know a lot of people are focused in on that. Um, and remember, it was just, just yesterday, Trump tweeted out, or I guess it's truth, doubt that it is Liberation Day. And that refers to the tariffs. Now there's a whole bunch of tariffs. White House has put out a lot of information about this. There's a whole bunch of tariffs that are taking effect. Here's what we know. President Trump. This is from the White House. President Trump invoking his authority under the International Emergency Economic Powers act of 1977 to address the emergency posed by the large and persistent trade deficit that is driven by the absence of reciprocity in Our trade relationships and other harmful policies like currency manipulation and exorbitant value added taxes. That tax perpetuated by other countries. Under this IEEPA authority, President Trump will impose a 10% tariff on all countries going into effect April 5th. And then President Trump will impose an additional reciprocal tariff on countries with which the United States has the largest trade deficits. All other countries will continue to be subject to the original 10% that will take effect April 9th. And now there's more specificity about this and it goes into US Mexico, Canada Agreement, how that plays into this. So there are some, some goods are not part of the reciprocal tariff. Steel, aluminum, auto parts. Okay, so there's a lot of stuff going on and it's big. I'm not going to sit here and act like this is small potatoes. It's a big deal economically. And I think that first off, the best way to do this is to allow President Trump to make the case to you. Based on what he said yesterday about why this is necessary. I think it's unrealistic that there are people out there. Well, first of all, there are people who all they want to do is complain about Trump, not just Democrats. There's some Republicans too who seem like they only want to complain about find something even, no matter how minute. Remember, remember Signal Gate a week ago? Oh my gosh, there was a journalist. The strikes all happened, but a journalist found out, but he didn't say anything. You know, come on, here's what's going on right now. Trump is trying to reorient a substantial component of our economy to create long term benefit for the American people. Now here is President Trump yesterday. I wanted you to hear this. This is clips a little over a minute long. I wanted you to hear though, why are we doing this? Let's get into it. Let's hear from the man himself. He is absolutely committed to this. He believes in it to his core. He has believed in it for a very long time. Why are we doing this? Liberation Day remarks yesterday from Trump Play cut one.
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Donald Trump
In the coming days there will be complaints from the globalists and the outsourcers and special interest and the fake news, always the fake news will always complain. But never forget. Every prediction our opponents made about trade for the last 30 years has been proven totally wrong. They were wrong about nafta. They were wrong about China. They were wrong about the Trans Pacific Partnership, which would have been a disaster if I didn't terminate it. If I didn't turn that, terminate that United Auto Workers. You would have had no Jobs in this country, you would have had no jobs. Jobs. It was all going to other countries in my first term. They said tariffs would crash the economy. Instead, we built the greatest economy in the history of the world. And again, I have great respect for President Xi of China, great respect for China. But they were taking tremendous advantage of them, of us. And, and I commend them for that. I say, hey, if you can get away with it, that's okay. But, but, you know, they understand exactly what's happening, and they probably, most of them are saying it's about time they did something. But. And they're going to fight. They're going to fight for. Everyone's going to fight. You know, it's like I say to the leaders, look, you got to take care of your country, but we have to start taking care of our country now. We can't do what we've been doing for the last 50 years.
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Clay Travis
Okay, now let's, let's take this apart a little bit and get into what, what he's saying. And notice I've been saying it to you for a long time, but just in advance of those remarks, what he. I had made the same case to you, which is that Trump has been right when it comes to big issues of trade, commerce, big issues of commerce, where the consensus such as that exists. You know, you can always argue what is the consensus and why do we think there is even such a thing? But such as it exists was wrong. It was wrong. On China. Here, here's, you know, Trump came into office in 2016, and on China, China, he was taking positions that they said, oh, it's going to lead to a trade war. But we could even take it further back than that. It had been for decades before Trump even thought about or was really considering seriously running for president. I'm going back. You go back to the 80s, go back to the 90s. It had been the international elite consensus that if we just give China what it wants when it comes to trade, it will liberalize and democratize over time and everybody will win. And they let it in the wto, World Trade Organization. That was completely wrong. Right. There are a lot of different experts and think tanks and everything who for a long time were taking the position that all you have to do is just open up your markets to China. And as China buys our Coca Cola and as China starts importing all of our cheap stuff made in huge factories here, they're going to be all about human rights and democracy and freedom. Just give it time. Totally wrong. There's been no, no real evidence of that whatsoever. In fact, the opposite, you could argue, has. Has occurred. And China has become more belligerent, more bellicose, more difficult to deal with as it has become wealthier. So we made China rich under the eye, under the auspices of. This is going to help us and it's going to help national security. And, oh, that means that we're aware that trade and national security are things that intersect and that some things that are in your national security interest are not necessarily completely in your immediate trade interest, like being able to make your own antibiotics, being able to produce enough of your own microchips, you know, go down the line, a whole range of things, but we'll get more into that. Trump, though, sees this and he. It takes somebody like him who is willing to put this kind of political capital on the line to take this kind of a risk. And I will. I will be clear with you about this. It's a risk. It's a risk economically, financially, for the country. But I think a couple things about it. One, it makes sense to me as he explains it, and as we see what's happening, there already have been countries. Just yesterday, Israel, Prime Minister Netanyahu said, look, we're getting rid of all. You know what? He's right. Let's get rid of all trade barriers with the United States and let's just continue to build that special relationship. Great. Look at that. Uh, there are other countries as well that have backed off a tariff that they have, or they're, you know, this is all part of a negotiation. So as we go into some of the details here, and I'll, I'll play more from Trump, but more from Stephen Miller. Yeah, massive change is going to feel unsettling for people for a little bit. It's not going to just happen overnight and be perfect. But if you want to fix things, you have to be willing to take the actions to fix them and be in a position to do so. And like I said, Trump is willing to do this. He could be on the golf course with Clay right now. Hang. I mean, he actually might be, but I don't think he is. I'm like, is. He is claying his force of. But I'm. But I mean, he could be hanging on the golf course forever. He, he could just be. He's got billions of dollars, he's got grandkids and family, and, you know, he, he could just sail off into the sunset and enjoy himself at Mar a Lago, but instead, he has taken it upon himself to try to do Something incredibly important for the future of the country because he truly believes in it. And he has, I have to look at the record here. He has been right on areas where the economic consensus has been against him. That is a fact. And so on this one, again, there are a lot of people, and there are some people that I respect a lot and like a lot on the right who are very concerned about this. And to them I just say I think Trump has made a strong enough case and is in a strong enough position politically where let the man cook, let him do what he does. Let's see how he negotiates. Even Bill Ackman, right, who's a kind of a recent convert to the center, I would say he used to be a Democrat, Hillary supporter, etc. Bill Ackman is a multi billionaire, hedge fund guy, investor guy, and he's, along with Elon and some of these other very wealthy, very high IQ individuals, have realized Democrat party's insane. They're a bunch of lunatic, gender identity obsessed communists. So he says if you're going to be common sense, or he's seen if you're going to be common sense, you have to be a Republican. There's no other major political party for you to support right now. Maybe he calls himself an independent, I don't know. But I thought this was very, very astute observation from Bill Ackman. He, he put out on X. Sometimes the best strategy in a negotiation is convincing the other side that you are crazy. Now I know some of you might be like, hey, Trump's not crazy. Well, yeah, he's not crazy. Obviously. He's crazy like a fox in this context. Meaning he's a guy who needs the other side to believe that he's willing to do things that were impossible for American leadership to consider before, that there could be consequences and that's that. So that's, that's a part of this. I've said to you before, I've explained, you know, we were just talking about who is the actor, I'm blanking on his name, who just, just passed away, who is in heat? Val Kilmer. Thank you. Val Kilmer. Val Kilmer's best role, in my opinion. You can argue, I know some, you're going to say the Doors, but I think Val Kilmer's best role for me is Tombstone where he plays Doc Holliday. And there's a great scene, I've mentioned this to you before in the context of foreign policy with Trump. I think it applies here too, where Wyatt Earp, very competently, very well played by Kurt Russell. They kind of, they throw the, the double barreled shotgun when they're about to have the shootout in the OK Corral. They didn't know it was going to be shootout, but they were preparing. He throws the shotgun and he goes, let's put Doc on the street howitzer. They might have less itchy trigger fingers as a result, something like that.
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Buck Sexton
Right.
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Clay Travis
But let's put Doc Holliday on the street howitzer being you want the crazy guy with the bazooka is basically the idea in this analogy. Trump is the crazy guy with the bazooka on trade. You want, you want to play this game with him or you want to be reasonable? You want to be fair, you want to deal with the reciprocal tariffs? You know, for a guy who has survived two assassination attempts, two impeachments, you know, four baloney criminal trials, beat the Hillary machine, beat the Biden, you know, Kamala machine. I think he's earned the right to try this his way and at least have those of us who have believed in him all along look at this and say, let's see what he can do. And just remember this catastrophism and selling panic. It's just such a cheap way of getting attention for so many people. It's, oh, you know, the sky is falling stuff. Cheap way of getting attention. Cheap way of having people think that you have something worthwhile to say. Stock market's gone down. Look at the stock market. It hasn't gone down in any meaningful way really since 2008 other than the pandemic drop. And the pandemic drop was completely a self inflicted wound. And, and anybody like me who was paying attention was like, well, this is going to be great because people are going to realize this is like a cold and we should just go back about our lives. And there's no, you know, the economy isn't destroyed by the pandemic. That was just lunatics who made it anyway. So, yeah, there may be, there may be something of a, of a drop in the stock market for a bit. I believe it will be temporary. Look, if it's not temporary, then the American people can go and vote and they can hold Trump and the Republicans accountable for this decision the next time around. I think they're going to say when it comes time for that, wow, what leadership. Look at how things are going better for us now. And that's what leadership is. When you have what you believe, truly you, based on all your wisdom and all of your life experience and all of your expertise, this is the right thing to do. It's in the best interest of the people I lead. And I'm going to do it because of that. I'm not going to sit around and, you know, oh, which way is the wind blowing? So this is what Liberation Day is about. We'll talk more about it. I'll take your calls on it. 800-282-2882. Look, another week, another new cyber scam. Some cyber hackers are really smart, unfortunately, and they've got all kinds of really clever ways to get a hold of your identity online. It's never personal. They're not targeting you. They're just on the hunt for information for anybody out there, right. It could be you, could be me. It has been me in the past. Latest scam is you get a call on your cell phone from someone pretending to be from a brokerage firm you do business with offering to confirm information on your account. They go so far as to want to double verify the info. They're very slick because the caller is from your brokerage firm confirming your address and cell phone, you're likely to fall for it. But of course, they're not from your brokerage firm. It's a scam. That's how cybercrime and identity theft are affecting us day to day. They find your number and they reach out and then boom. It can happen. This is why you need Lifelock operating for you in the background. I've had Lifelock for years looking out for my online identity. And if you have Lifelock and you do still become a victim of identity theft, a dedicated US based restoration specialist will fix it, guaranteed, or your money back terms apply. It's easy to help protect yourself with Lifelock. Join now and save 40% off your first year with my name. Buck is your promo code. Call 1-800-LIFELOCK or go online to lifelock.com and use promo code Buck for 40% off.
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Nate Silver
Making America great again isn't just one man, it's many. The Team Team 47 podcast, Sundays at noon Eastern in the Clay and Buck podcast feed. Find it on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Maria Konnikova
I'm Nate Silver.
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Marsha Blackburn
And I'm Maria Konnikova. We're both journalists and professional poker players. And on our podcast, Risky Business, we talk about taking risks in everything from poker to politics.
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Maria Konnikova
And we talk about betting, from betting on elections to betting on your favorite basketball team. We've learned a lot about taking risks through our own research and some sometimes even our own bets. And we share what We've learned with you.
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Marsha Blackburn
Are you still doing sports betting? I had no idea that you'd wagered over a million dollars.
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Maria Konnikova
For your research, I bet almost the entirety of the 20, 22, 23 NBA season, all the regular season and about half the playoffs. And I learned that, I mean, it's probably what I should have expected, but I learned that it's pretty hard. I went on a huge heater at the start of the NBA season where I was up like 70,000 bucks. I'm like, man, I'm really good at the sports betting stuff. But then, but then, things change.
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Marsha Blackburn
Now that Marge madness is upon us. We're talking Braca strategies and a whole lot more. Join us and listen to Risky business on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Jeremy Scott
Something unexpected happened after Jeremy Scott confessed to killing Michelle Schofield in Bone Valley season one.
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Jim Jordan
I just knew him as a kid.
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Jeremy Scott
Long, silent voices from his past came.
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Gilbert King
Forward, and he was just staring at me.
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Jeremy Scott
And they had secrets of their own to share.
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Gilbert King
I'm Gilbert King. I'm the son of Jeremy Lynn Scott.
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Jeremy Scott
I was no longer just telling the story. I was part of it.
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Gilbert King
Every time I hear about my dad, it's, oh, he's a killer. He's just straight evil.
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Jeremy Scott
I was becoming the bridge between a killer and the son he'd never known.
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Gilbert King
If the cops and everything would have done their job properly, my dad would have been in jail. I would have never existed.
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Jeremy Scott
I never expected to find myself in this place. Now I need to tell you how I got here.
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Gilbert King
At the end of the day, I'm literally a son of a killer.
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Jeremy Scott
Bone Valley Season 2 Jeremy.
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Clay Travis
Jeremy, I want to tell you something.
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Jeremy Scott
Listen to new episodes of Bone Valley Valley Season 2 starting April 9 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to hear the entire new season ad free with exclusive content starting April 9th. Subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcasts.
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Donald Trump
My fellow Americans, this is Liberation Day waiting for a long time. April 2, 2025, will forever be remembered as the day American industry was reborn, the day America's destiny was reclaimed, and the day that we began to make America wealthy again. Going to make it wealthy, good and wealthy. Our country and its taxpayers have been ripped off for more than 50 years. But it is not going to happen anymore. It's not going to happen.
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Clay Travis
President Trump there speaking on Liberation Day, which was yesterday, which, who knows, could be a day that we all remember for a long time. To come. Probably more so in retrospect. Right. Otherwise, yesterday seemed like a pretty normal day. But President Trump is very committed to this idea of rebalancing the unbalanced playing field of global trade. And again, the fundamental questions that I continue to pose, and I never get a good answer for this, if it's so bad to have tariffs, why do other countries have tariffs? Keep in mind it's not even just tariffs. Look, this is very complicated stuff. You're talking about a global economy of $30 trillion. So there's a lot going on. OK. The numbers are massive, thankfully. Right. The world is so much, the world overall is so much wealthier in real terms today than it was 100 years ago or 100 years before that. You know, the system that we have, for all of its imperfections, capitalism and markets, has created incredible human prosperity and flourishing, which is a great thing and we shouldn't lose sight of that. Right. You are, this is what I was, I was saying a catastrophism is a, is a simpleton's way of getting attention. Right. Oh, everything's going to fall apart. I think I've shared with you before this anecdote that one of my favorite authors, Michael Crichton, I know he's like a sci fi pop writer guy, but I think he's brilliant. He passed away years ago, but he said that he had had the experience, he had learned over many years running in circles among the elites because remember the 90s, if you were a best selling, if you were a Michael Crichton or a Tom Clancy or. I'm trying to. Who's the guy who does all the Grisham? You know, I mean, Stephen King, I know Stephen King is like a lunatic communist, but he sold a lot of book. If you're one of these guys, you were in elite society and invited a lot of parties and stuff so people could be like, oh, I saw so and so the famous author and he said that if, if you, if you try to tell people that the world is actually good and getting better, they, they're, they want to fight you because they think that that's a more sophisticated position to take. It's more sophisticated always in the eyes of people who generally aren't as smart as they think they are to say everything is crap, everything's going to hell. And, and they know that that gets attention too. And it's a very simple position to take. It's a very, it's the easy way out. Now there are problems. Right? It's not, you don't want to be on the other side either where everything is amazing. But he just, he warned against using catastrophism as a fallback and a means of getting attention for yourself. And I think that there's a lot of. And he actually said that people get mad at, would get mad at him when he would explain to them that scientifically, the advances that are going on in the world and, and this came up in the context of climate change. He'd tell people, no, no, you don't have to worry. Climate change, is it real? Yeah, but not in any significant way. It doesn't matter, so don't worry. And they would get very angry about that. Right. You were telling them that their climate change false God was, was not real with this. What I see is a lot of people who know that if they tell you that the world is falling apart right now because of Trump and they tell you that, oh, the markets, look at what the markets are doing and all this stuff, then even if they're wrong, in six months or a year, things will be so much better that nobody will really take the time to go back and say, hey, why were you so wrong about this? But also so negative and really undermining the necessary resetting of some of these global relationships, because that's really what we're talking about here, you know, international trade relationships. And then there's the Stephen Miller approach, which is. Stephen Miller is, he takes the intellectual approach, but he also applies a little bit of the Conan the Barbarian ethic to it, where he is just like, I'm going to drive my enemy from their villages and hear the lamentations of their women. Like, Stephen Miller does not hold back. My man has showed up ready to throw down from day one of the first Trump term. And now, as you know, he's a White House deputy, White House deputy chief of staff. Here he is on Liberation Day. This is Cut six, just laying it out there. And I think he was hitting home runs. Listen to it.
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Stephen Miller
The announcement today is the most significant action on global trade policy that has taken place in our lifetimes. It's not even a close call. This is probably the biggest event that's happened on global trade since the very ill fated decision that we are now reversing of knocking down all of America's trade tariffs and revenue policies that led to the offshoring and outsourcing of all of our industries. This is the great reversal of that great portrayal is how I look at it. So in the 20th century, successive American presidents knocked down all of the policies that we had to protect American industry. And they did insane things like letting China into the World Trade Organization as an example. And we watched all of our factories go overseas. This is the complete reversal of that. This is the great onshoring, the great reshoring of American jobs and wealth. So if you look at America today, we're totally dependent on foreign countries for the supplies that make this country run, for all of the essential goods, materials, manufactured products that make it possible for us to live our lives. Our, our cars, our electronics, all the materials that go into our homes, our buildings, our medical supplies, our entire supply chains are completely embedded in foreign countries. So if there's a national emergency of any kind and a country shuts off an import or a foreign power embargoes a sea lane, we are then left defenseless, helpless because of the decisions that prior leaders made that President Trump is now reversing to let all of these industries leave our country.
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Clay Travis
He's laying it out so well. And I'll get more into the national security piece of this in a second because that's even more long term in the thinking. Well, we would hope, right? What happens in. What does the world look like given current trajectories for warfare? Warfare of the future is going to be. We've just gone through a period of 20 something years here where America in our wars has had complete technological dominance, complete aerial dominance, and they were really large scale policing and counterinsurgency actions in Iraq and Afghanistan and nation building for people that should build their own nations and we should have left that to them. But that's a, let's just not get, not walk down that pathway right now. But there was a particular focus on the elite individual soldier, the American soldier and all the different things and rules. But it was an infantry, largely infantry operations we're talking about here, right. The war of the future that we're. Especially if we avoid getting into these, these entanglements of nation building and trying to separate warring parties. You know, I, I'm weaving here, so I'm sorry, I got to go into this for a second. I watched on Netflix recently. This was worth it. This is actually worth watching. Surviving Black Hawk down and Surviving Black Hawk down is very good, very well done series. I read the Mark Bowden book when it came out. Actually, initially it was a series of articles and then it came out as a book. But I read it a long time ago and then I saw the movie. I think the movie is one of the best war movies I've ever seen. One of the most realistic modern war movies ever made. And, you know, it's just, it's an incredible story. It's an incredible story and it shows the bravery, the challenges, the risks that our infantry, our soldiers take in these kind of third world hellholes. But also what, what the surviving Black Hawk down, to me at least series adds to this is you get the, a little more of the context of what the heck were we doing there? Bill Clinton, of course, running the show. And we're there. There's a civil war going on, you know, all over Somalia, but mostly based in Mogadishu. You got warring factions. And we're, we're trying to do a humanitarian mission, but then we've got Apaches doing strike missions. And then we want to do more human, I mean, it was a, the, the strategic, the policy level was a disaster. And I'm just going to say that Bill Clinton, the most overrated intellect maybe in the history of American politics. Ok, I'm so smart. Yeah, please. We know what Bill, we know what Bill was really thinking about. And it wasn't policy in Somalia, that's for sure. And brave soldiers of ours paid, paid for the poor strategy and planning with their lives. And many of them were, were wounded. But I think about this in the context of these, we've learned this lesson many times. Oh, and you also, I would add to this, you see the perspective of Somali militia leaders. They interviewed them, which was really interesting. Who were there that day in the Black Hawk down incident. You see what they were saying. And anyway, so I would, I would recommend you I know a lot of you don't like Netflix, you don't want to subscribe to it, but I'm just saying if you do subscribe to Netflix, this is a worthwhile series. But that was another one of these police actions. What are we doing there? Assuming we don't do that. And that's a lesson that we may have to just keep in mind going forward. Right. That's something that, you know, you look at the Democrats, if Democrats see an opportunity to send other people's sons and daughters to die for a war that they themselves would not fight in, but makes them feel good about themselves at Georgetown cocktail parties, hey, that's the kind of war they want other people fighting. So we have to remember that's not what we want. That's not what we want to do. But the war of the future is going to be based on technology, material machinery and robotics and AI and satellite connectivity and drones. That's very apparent. And I have friends who work in the aerospace and defense sector. And I know people that are, that are involved in the cutting edge of this. And why does that matter for trade? Because that really turns into a who can make more of the best stuff? The fastest at the highest level wins. So it's not just a, oh, China has cheaper labor costs and less environmental regulation, so we should just let them make all of our stuff. Well, if things continue to heat up, remember, this is not stuff you can switch on overnight. If China has all the factories to give us all this stuff for different sectors that are national security dependent, they can turn that spigot off when they want to. And yeah, maybe in a couple of years we could start to catch up. But if we go into a hot war with China in 20 years or 10 years, or who knows, we're not going to have a few years to play catch up. And that's what Trump and his team are taking into account now as well. I understand there's also the short term financial impacts and we'll talk more about this, but there's a clear national security component to the degree the amount of offshoring that we have for our industrial base. And that's, that's an additional conversation to what do we do for the American middle class? Just working Americans trying to pay their bills. You know, what happens for them, what's best for them. How can you create an economy where there are a lot of job opportunities? Of course, illegal immigration plays into this too. Supply and demand in terms of human material is also a real thing. Right? You have to look at personnel that matters, how many people are available for a job that matters. So all these different pieces come together. But back on the national security piece, as I said, Stephen Miller laying it down yesterday on Liberation Day, this is cut seven.
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Stephen Miller
And so what he's doing today is for the first time ever, he's saying that if you have stolen our jobs and therefore threatened our national security, we will apply a reciprocal tariff based on the degree of your misconduct. So for countries like China, for example, they will see a very high tariff rate because they've engaged in the most egregious conduct that threatens our national security. For countries that have severe but not as severe misconduct, they'll see a moderate but not as high tariff rate. The effect though, of those global tariffs will be that companies will have to move their production back into the United States. So factories will leave, whether it be Mexico or Canada or Vietnam or Cambodia or China or the European Union. They will come back to the United States to produce their products to make their goods. And in so doing, yes, it will create jobs, yes, it will increase revenues, but most importantly, it will restore our national security so that we will not be dependent on anyone else to survive and thrive as a nation.
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Clay Travis
All of these pieces together, they all tie in together. And there, yes, there are competing interests and yes, this isn't going to be easy from the get go. There's going to be an adjustment period. I don't know how long it will be. And as I've said, you know, if Trump is wrong on this one and the economy has a. Look, it's not, it's not going to be the Great Depression. It's not going to. Please. I actually think things are going to, it's going to be pretty quick and you're going to have what I would say is the Trump dividend. The Trump bounce back might take until the fall, maybe it's this summer, I don't know. But once some of this stuff gets cleared out of the system and once they start bringing rates down and there's all these things that can happen, you are going to see. Remember the first Trump I keep talking about the record. Remember the first Trump economy before COVID and before the Democrats because they're psychos. Use the whole thing or lock everything down and shut down the economy artificially. Economy from 2016-20, 2017, when Trump took office to 2019, was kicking butt, kicking butt and all, all the way through. The guy knows what he's doing. He knows what he's doing on this stuff. I have faith in him. And, and I think, I think all of you do as well. So we'll continue to follow this. I'm gonna tell you something. Clay was down here for a couple days. We had a great time. South beach, you might have seen up. I posted weird. We actually went to the gym together yesterday, you know, throwing up. I don't know. I wasn't, I'm not counting, you know where Clay and I, throwing up four or five hundred pounds on the bench. Can neither confirm nor deny. But what I can confirm for you is we had a steak night with Good Ranchers. So we're sponsors of sponsored, of course here on the show by Good Ranchers. But they kind of sponsored our steak night because Carrie and I have a, have a freezer full of good rancher stuff. We, we even had the chicken nuggets during the show. Not yesterday, the day before. I just made some chicken nuggets as a snack during the break. We're here in my home studio. But the steak Night with good Ranchers was absolutely fantastic. I'm going to tell you this. Good ranchers all speaking about all American, all American farms, All American ranchers. I love their stuff. It's so delicious. I'm going to tell you, I run the cast iron here. I will say Kerry is the queen of the kitchen, but I run the cast iron, okay? I'm the cast iron man. And I took some T bone steaks from good ranchers that I had and I, I seared them. They were so delicious. Usually I'll make like a little bit of a, kind of a butter and herb sauce, if you will, for the steak. I didn't eat it because it was so juicy and tender. So I didn't make any sauce, which is nice, right? Because I don't need it because the meat's that good. Get a good ranchers box. You will see for yourself. Goodranchers. Com. They've got all kinds of different boxes set up. Pick different ones if you want month to month, but get set up with good Ranchers. Enter my name, Buck as you're making your purchase. You'll receive free bacon, ground beef and seed oil, free chicken nuggets or salmon for a year and $40 off. We really want you to try this. You're getting a really amazing deal right now. Go to goodranchers.com, enter code Buck to shop, subscribe and stand with American Ranchers. Let them cater your next steak night, my friends. Plus they got great chicken, great salmon. Go to goodranchers.com Enter code Buck. You'll get some freebies in there and $40 off.
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Nate Silver
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Clay Travis
Congressman Jim Jordan joins us to talk about everything going on. Congressman, always appreciate you making the time.
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Buck Sexton
You bet. Buck, good to be with you.
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Clay Travis
Can we start? You know what, I want to have you react to this. Okay. Over at cnbc, this is Cut eight. They, they are freaking out right now and I wanted to let you tell everybody how you're feeling about this. But let's play Cut eight. This is the situation of the tariff assessment over there. The market reaction after hours. I've never seen anything like it. This, I think, fair to say, is worse than the worst case scenario of the tariffs that many in the market expected the president to impose. And there's some question of how the administration calculated the percentages that they're responding to in each of these cases? Are they adding in value added taxes? He talked about non tariff barriers as well. So I think while many were hoping that this would eliminate uncertainty, there's going to be more uncertainty in the market worse than the worst case scenario. Jim, what do you make of it?
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Buck Sexton
Everyone needs to relax. And you know the thing I keep coming up with all these, these foreign countries saying they're going to do this if Tara, and talking about how bad it is that President Trump does this. If tariffs are so bad, why don't they just get rid of the tariffs they have on all our products? I mean that's pretty basic and frankly, that's the President's argument. Why don't you show us the respect we've shown you? They won't do that. He's saying, okay, we're tired of taking it on the chin. We're tired of manufacturing leaving this country. I mean, my dad was a union worker for General Motors in Dayton, Ohio. There used to be several plants, GM plants in Daytona. Now there's not. And the autoworker who stood up yesterday with the President, I thought the President's remarks were great. The autoworker who stood up, I think spoke for so many middle class, working class families. Enough of this. Let's try something different. Let's tell them to quit sticking it to us and let's look out for the interest of the American family, the American worker and the American economy.
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Clay Travis
So you have faith that this should play out and that the president, I mean, how much of this in your mind do you think is just the ongoing negotiation of it before we can even know what it is? That's going to be the final dispensation of where these different tariff numbers are.
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Buck Sexton
No, I think that's a good point. And we all know that the President is this great, is a great negotiator. He's, I think he believes in tariffs. He certainly said that he used tariffs in the past. He used them in his first term. I know he used it on steel and it benefited manufacturing in our great state, particularly the whirlpool facility in our, one of the many whirlpool facilities in our state. So this shouldn't be a big surprise. You never had to this degree. But like anything worth accomplishing, anything worth really achieving, there's always some effort and some discipline and some toughness involved with getting there. That's just the way life works. I don't think this is any different. But I think the American people see where the President wants to go. Certainly working class people see where he wants to go. They know what's happened in manufacturing. And I think there's a trust level there with the President, that it'll be maybe some difficult times here for a while, but I think we get through it and we come out better on the other side. And that's the whole point.
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Clay Travis
Something else that caught my attention, Congressman, you are the Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, and you can speak to this internal FBI chat log showing that the FBI imposed a gag order about the New York Post story on the Hunter Biden laptop the day it came out. Oh, my. Give us these details.
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Buck Sexton
Well, first of all, we knew this from a deposition, but this is the first time we've got the document. So God bless the FBI. This is. This is the night and day difference between what we had before and what we have under Cash Patel and Pam Bondi, the Justice Department. But we had. We had Mr. Brady Olsen, one of the guys mentioned in his chat, that you can see it. But he told us, he said, yeah, in a meeting that these regular meetings that took place where the FBI would go talk to big tech and the run up to the 2020 presidential election, and they were prepping them on all. There might be an information operation, it might come from a foreign country. They were prepping them on what they knew could happen because they had the laptop and they knew it was real. One of these meetings, the day that this comes up is October 14th. It comes up and someone says, is the laptop real? And the FBI confirms it. Someone spoke out of turn. They quickly get together, get their story straight, and from that point on, they say, no comment. And then they even have. In the chat, the one that stuck out with me was where they said, Twitter is treating this story as disinformation. They treat it as disinformation because you prepped them for that and you knew it was real. This. This just demonstrates what we knew all along, that the FBI wasn't being square with the American people.
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Clay Travis
Now, how confident are you in the ability for that entity to be reformed? I know you have a lot of faith in Director Patel and Deputy Director Bongino, but they're taking a. It's an unwieldy and problematic operation. They're taking over. What are some of the things that you think need to get done over there? Not only to clean house internally, but to help restore faith for the American people in a federal law enforcement institution that we need to function at the highest level and without partisan agenda?
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Buck Sexton
Yeah, Already two things have happened. One, they're beginning to move people out of a third of the FBI agents were in D.C. area. Well, that's not where all the crime takes place. I mean, enough takes place in this area, but, but so they're moving them out and focusing more on traditional going after traditional bad guys versus this surveillance on American citizens. So that's one huge step in the right direction that Director Patel and Dana put into place. Second, I just know what we've gotten in the first few weeks that he's been running the FBI. We sent seven subpoenas over there five weeks ago. The response, the documents we're getting is, like I said, it's night and day compared to what we got under Chris Wray, what we got under Merrick Garland at the Justice Department. So there's just two examples of where they're already changing how that place operates, saying, we're going to get the truth, we're going to get the facts to the American people, answer the questions that they have, and we're going to put our agents on actually stopping, you know, the crime activity that, that, that we traditionally associate with the FBI, Mafia, organized crime, money laundering, all those things versus, again, spying on the American people.
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Clay Travis
Talking to Congressman Jim Jordan from Ohio. And one thing that I think, Congressman, that is interesting to see how President Trump is staying on this and not, not moving, not moving the agenda very much from what he said it would be the freeze on funding to Maine. Remember there was that little back and forth with the governor of Maine and the president where she was, she was talking tough about, you know, I'll see you in court. And he was like, let's do it. I love court. Let's go to court. And now the Trump administration is freeze funding to Maine for letting trans athletes compete against girls by, you know, men, biological men, or teenagers competing against girls. It feels like promise made, promise kept on this one. What do you make of it?
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Buck Sexton
Yeah, no, this is, this is why the American people appreciate the president. I say this all the time. We make the job too complicated. What'd you tell the voters you were going to do when you ran for it if they elect you? Do what you said. And this is president. He told it. It's not like he told us it wasn't going to be a doge effort. It's not like he told us he wasn't going to run that. It's not like he told us he wasn't for tariffs. He was tired of being taken advantage by other countries. And it's not like he told Us that, you know, he thinks, like the vast majority of Americans, that, you know, guys shouldn't be competing against girls in sports. I mean, so he's doing what he said, and I think so many Americans just appreciate that. And he says this all the time. And we've talked about this, Buck, but, like, we're the party of common sense. It's common sense to have a border. The left's a party of crazy. It's crazy not to have a border. It's crazy to say boys to compete against girls in sports. It's crazy to. I mean, to take a plane and a judge say, turn the plane around, bring the bad guys back here who are illegal, part of an organized terrorist organization, the most dangerous gang on the planet. Turn that plane around and bring it back. That's crazy. So the president is all for doing the common sense things that he campaigned on, and one of them was the issue with the governor, Maine. And he's sticking to it, and God bless him for doing it.
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Clay Travis
Do you see this? This female fencer who took a knee instead of competing against a male opponent. She was disqualified for this. And I just think that one. It's a brave thing to do for this young woman to do it, but also it's the right thing to do. People should not. Women should not subject themselves to this anymore. There should be, I think, a campaign to opt. I mean, you were college athlete. There should be a campaign to opt out.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah, I agree. You know, and God bless Riley Gaines, what she's done. The president's executive order that he signed about five, six weeks ago. But you need. You need people who are courageous like this. This young lady who stood up, or I guess in this situation, she knelt down and said, no, we're not going there. And Riley Gaines, who started this, and others, everyone instinctively knows this is wrong, particularly parents of young ladies who are competing in sports, who are working hard. We had two daughters. Both were athletes. I mean, that's. It's just ridiculous. And everyone gets it. But if the left wants to defend it from a political standpoint, I don't think it helps him. Just one more example of the crazy positions the left now takes.
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Clay Travis
Do you think that. And I'm just asking for your sense of it. Right. I know that you can't really know, but I'm curious what your perception is of it among Democrat House colleagues. You know, when you see how they have to take, what positions they take on this issue of the transgender sports stuff, is it more that they actually believe this or more that they're just afraid of the crazies within their party who think that this is the new civil rights crusade.
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Buck Sexton
It's the latter. It's, you know, it's the old. Some politicians, when they get asked a question, it's, yeah, for that next question, please. They just want to move on. They just want, like, kind of ignore it. But I think it's more the latter. Now, there are some. I mean, the heart. I always say not all Democrats are crazy, but the left that controls their party is. And that's where the energy is in the party. It's. It's the radical left and they're, they're driving this stuff. So I think many of them just kind of put their head down and move on, don't want to deal with it and hope the left leaves them alone. But there are some, there are some who truly believe you should just let it happen. Which I'm like, that great.
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Clay Travis
It is, it is crazy. Is not an. That is the only way to describe it. It is a. It is a non sane, insane thing to believe. And the fact that this continues on is just. I think the Democrat Party has to carry this around and they're not going to. They're not going to be able to win this issue because they're wrong and because they're lying. Well, you know, usually now we'd get to like, Clay's out today. He's playing golf, you know, as one does, having a good time. So usually we'd ask you a sports question. I actually have a nerd question for you. But you know how the budget process and the money stuff works. You mentioned Doge, so sorry. Usually now we'd have some fun, but instead I'm like, let's, let's take out the calculator.
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Buck Sexton
You should go with this next time we go. You should go to the NCAA wrestling with this next. It was. There were some boring matches early, but the heavyweight match was. So you got to come with us next time.
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Clay Travis
Oh, I would love to.
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Buck Sexton
And we got. You got to come with us next time we go to that. It's a fun time.
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Clay Travis
You know, my, my primary school in New York actually wrote about this on X. Used to require everybody in the winter season for sports to do wrestling. And I thought it was a great. It was great. No, I mean it, it was great. Like, it was. We all learned the basics and we had tournaments and, and then Jim Classic. Of course they got rid of it about 10 years after I graduated because people thought it was too violent. You know, there was this whole oh, the parents. Yeah. Wrestling was too violent, you know, anyway, it was kind of crazy. Okay, wait, my, my nerd question. Yes, I'd love to go to wrestling. Nerd question, though important. You mentioned Doge. I see all this stuff about the cuts. How much of this is Trump can cut as executive chief and how much of it is Doge identifying where there should be cuts that you and your colleagues in Congress are gonna have to figure out in the budget so the money actually gets taken out.
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Buck Sexton
Again, it's more the latter. We're gonna have to do a rescission package. Now, the way the rescission package works is the White House sends it to Capitol Hill. So it's different. Normally all spending and taxing bills obviously start in the, in the Congress, specifically in the House. Under the Constitution, taxing and spending is the House of Representatives the body close to the people. But this is something where you want to rescind money that's already been appropriated. The White House sends it to Capitol Hill and says these things are ridiculous. Can you rescind this? And the beauty of a rescission package is you only need 50 votes in the Senate. You don't need to get to the super majority of 60. So we're waiting for that package. We've been pushing and urging the White House to get us that package. I would have loved to have done this in steps even like last week, why it had been nice to have a bill that simply said no more money goes to NPR. You may have followed this. The lady Ms. Of course, by the CEO. She was terrible. She said it was 87 to zero. 87 Democrat editors at NPR in the D.C. area, zero Republicans, according to one of their journalists who worked there 25 years, who was an award winning journalist. He did that research and gave that data. And I asked her a question. I said, are you guys unbiased? She goes, we're unbiased. I said, There's 87, 0. It's not 44 to 43, it's 87 to 0. But they're still, I mean, it was ridiculous. So it had been nice to have a rescission package on that. Just, let's just get rid of npr, start there and then just keep building. But I think the White House is going to put it together in a bigger package. They send it to us and then we have a vote.
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Clay Travis
Any sense on when that might, might be just roughly time time wise?
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Buck Sexton
I'm, I am hoping sooner rather. I mean, we keep urging the White House to do it. I know some of My colleagues have talked to Russ Votin ombuds. So we want it as soon as possible. I don't know exactly when that's in, but they tell, they keep telling us they're working on it, putting it together.
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Clay Travis
Conks and Jim Jordan. Oh, wait one, because, you know, Clay would want me to ask you this. Who's going to win the March Madness thing?
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Buck Sexton
You know, I followed a little last week when it was 6, you know, sweet 16 lead 8. I kind of like the Florida team, but, but I mean, they're all.
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Clay Travis
There we go. Yeah, you're joining, you're joining the Clay and Buck choice. We both picked Florida to win. So there we go.
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Buck Sexton
Perfect. Yeah, I kind of like them when I watched, I watched them play and you know, I was kind of hoping for Michigan State kind of sticking with the Big ten.
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Clay Travis
My wife is a gator and I have a baby coming next week. So, you know, happy wife, especially happy wife with new babies. So we go go Gators around this house for sure. Congressman Jim Jordan always appreciate you, man. Thanks for making the time.
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Buck Sexton
You bet, Buck. Take care.
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Clay Travis
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Nate Silver
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Marsha Blackburn
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Maria Konnikova
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Marsha Blackburn
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Jeremy Scott
Something unexpected happened after Jeremy Scott confessed to killing Michelle Schofield in Bone Valley season one.
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Clay Travis
I just knew him as a kid.
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Jeremy Scott
Long, silent voices from his past came.
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Gilbert King
Forward, and he was just staring at me.
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Jeremy Scott
And they had secrets of their own to share.
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Gilbert King
Gilbert King. I'm the son of Jeremy.
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Jeremy Scott
I was no longer just telling the story. I was part of it.
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Gilbert King
Every time I hear about my dad is, oh, he's a killer. He's just straight evil.
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Jeremy Scott
I was becoming the bridge between a killer and the son he'd never known.
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Gilbert King
If the cops and everything would have done the job properly, my dad would have been in jail. I would have never existed.
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Jeremy Scott
I never expected to find myself in this place. Now I need to tell you how I got here.
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Gilbert King
At the end of the day, I'm literally a son of a killer.
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Jeremy Scott
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Clay Travis
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Clay Travis
Senator Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee joins us. Senator, always good to talk to you. Thanks for being here.
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Jim Jordan
It is always so good to talk to you. Thanks so much for having me on.
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Clay Travis
A bunch of issues. Wanted to get your your latest analysis on judiciary hearings, drug seizures at the border. We're going to get into that momentarily. But first, I know that Tennessee, your home state, has been hit with some really scary storms and there's been some loss of life. What you tell us about these tornadoes and the efforts to get help to those who need it?
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Jim Jordan
Yes, we know that they have touched down in a couple of counties, Hardiman county and McNary County. The town of Selmer has been the hardest hit. They have lost six lives. And I know our governor and the Tennessee emergency management, my team, they've all been out this morning and they're working hard to help people recover and to do a damage assessment. But McNary County, Tennessee, really caught the brunt of it last night and we certainly are praying for those individuals. And then we've got a lot of flooding that is taking place in the middle Tennessee area and continuing to watch that. It should be raining for another eight hours or so and then we'll be able to do a better damage assessment.
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Clay Travis
Is there a need, Senator, for coordination with the Trump administration, the federal government, on some of the efforts to get help, or is the state of Tennessee mostly handling?
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Jim Jordan
Well, we did the disaster declaration last night, during the night, and President Trump went ahead and approved that. So those resources are being surged into the area now and we're really grateful to the president for taking such swift action on that and coordinating with our state.
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Clay Travis
All right, Senator, well, thoughts and prayers go to everybody in your state affected by this. And we know that you and President Trump and also Tennessee emergency services are on it. I had a friend who just moved to Nashville and was surprised that at how these tornadoes rolled in and it really rattled a lot of people. So anyway, thoughts and prayers go to them and we'll be thinking about the folks of Tennessee. Tell us about this judiciary hearing on universal injunctions. This seems to be clearly the universal injunctions, one of the primary obstruction tools that have been used against the Trump agenda so far. What came out of these hearings and what do you think comes next on this issue?
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Jim Jordan
One of the things that really was so apparent on this is how the Democrats have not been able to get what they want at the ballot box. They've not been able to get what they want legislatively. And they really were sent a message on November 5 that they did not like. So now they have turned to the judiciary. And time and again, as we heard from the witnesses, there is absolutely no constitutional or statutorial authority, authority for a district judge to issue a nationwide injunction. And a district judge is constrained by the case in front of him and the district in which he is seated, and he cannot go outside of that. And so it just showed up, showed how the Democrats are trying to politicize the courts this time to get their way, which is to stop President Trump's agenda. And in the month of February, these activist judges issued 15 universal injunctions against Trump. And during Biden's entire administration, four years, there were only 14 against Biden in total.
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Clay Travis
Now, what do you think should happen or what are you hoping will happen next on this? The Supreme Court, I would assume, has to, has to weigh in. So it feels like for a lot of us, are we just in a, in a wait and see mode for there to be some sanity restored to this process? What, what happens next?
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Jim Jordan
Well, we do have legislation and having the bill that would clarify that the judge cannot go outside of his district in, in making a ruling that helps to elevate this issue because Justice Roberts, Chief Justice, Justice Roberts is going to have to weigh in on this and the Supreme Court is going to have to weigh in on this issue. But we think it is a valid point and something that is necessary to point out that this authority does not exist with these federal district judges. And again, it points out the importance of having good constitutional jurist on the bench.
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Clay Travis
Also yesterday, Senator, there was a hearing, Senate hearing with the CEO, the current CEO of Boeing. You know, a lot of people are much more attuned to air safety than they have been in a while given some of the very unfortunate situations, both including some fatal accidents, but also some near misses that have been happening. I know this specifically was focused on the 737, 37 Max 9 jet incident and some other very high profile aviation, aviation issues. But what happened at Boeing, I mean, that's, I think a lot of people just curious. This used to be considered a great American company with incredible safety procedures, incredibly innovative, and there's been a loss of confidence in Boeing as a, as a corporation. What did the CEO tell you? What do people need to know about air? How, how this company and just airline safety in general is getting the focus that it needs.
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Jim Jordan
Well, and on airline safety, we have all been very concerned about that and are pushing the FAA to make certain that they are hiring people that are qualified to be air traffic controllers. And last year, because of DEI requirements, they had 1,000 people that were qualified, but they did not take them because they didn't meet certain DEI requirements. Now, on Boeing, I think that many of us have just been disappointed with how they've taken their eye off the ball, seemingly, when it comes to safety. And I talked with the CEO yesterday in my time of questioning about how their culture at the company just seemed to have eroded and there was not that trust among the employees and the leadership. And then also the lack of protection that was given to whistleblowers because whistleblowers had been fired, they had been isolated. And what we need, if they had been heeding what these whistleblowers were saying, maybe that would have helped with not having this diminished work culture, and maybe they would not have taken their eye off the safety provisions that they should be meeting every single day as a guarantee to the flying public.
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Clay Travis
We're speaking to Senator Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee. And Senator, one of the areas where the Trump administration right out of the gate has shown just incredible results is the reduction in illegal entries in the United States. There's also been a substantial reduction in the illegal importation of drugs like fentanyl, methamphetamine, cocaine, all the rest of it. But you have raised, you and along with your colleague, Senator Ted Cruz, have raised that there was an effort that previously existed to add to the current, you know, the current efforts to stop the drugs from flowing into the country that involve interdiction at transit hubs and that Biden, the Biden administration turned this off. Can you tell us about what this program was and what would it take to get it going again?
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Jim Jordan
Yes, and this was a program that was suspended. It was a DEA program, and it is called Consensual Encounters. And it allowed DEA agents to inspect and conduct interdictions efforts in transit hubs, and we're trying to restore that. Now. Let me just give you the Nashville airport as an example. If you take the period of time from 2022-24, then they apprehended 33 kilograms of fentanyl pills, 16 kilograms of fentanyl powder, and over 1500 kilograms of marijuana as they were conducting these interdictions. And the DOJ's inspector general had concluded that the Biden administration DEA was not following these policies that are put in place. And we should be using every federal agency and everything that we have in order to conduct these searches and to keep these drugs from coming into the country.
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Clay Travis
Is there anything else that you would like to see on the congressional, specifically Senate side, the congressional side, to help with border related efforts? Is there anything else that as a member of Congress you could help get done? Because it's great what Trump has done so far, but feels like legislation could always help, or maybe in this case it could help.
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Jim Jordan
Well, we do need legislation because we need to codify the actions of the President and we need to make certain that we go back to building the wall so that we deter that entry on the southern border and we have to turn our attention to the northern border with Canada. When you look at the amount of fentanyl that was apprehended not by Canadian Mounted Police, but by the US Border Patrol up there on that northern border border, it was enough to kill nearly 50 million people. And we know that the drug traffickers are now changing their routes and they're going up to the Canadian border and then coming back down into the US So it is imperative that we look at what is going to happen there with securing that border. And I think that you will see us push more for these programs that will help us to secure this country. And bear in mind when we secure the border and you curb illegal entry and thank goodness we are now at the lowest levels it's been in two decades, then Border Patrol has the opportunity to do more work at the ports of entry and to stop the transit of some of these drugs that have been making their way into the country.
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Clay Travis
Senator Blackburn, always appreciate you making time for us here on Clay and Buck. Thank you so much.
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Jim Jordan
Absolutely. Thank you.
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Clay Travis
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Nate Silver
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Jeremy Scott
Something unexpected happened after Jeremy Scott confessed to killing Michelle Schofield in Bone Valley Season one.
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Gilbert King
Every time I hear about my dad is, oh, he's a killer. He's just straight evil.
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Jeremy Scott
I was becoming the bridge between Jeremy Scott and the son he'd never known.
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Gilbert King
At the end of the day, I'm literally a son of a killer.
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Jeremy Scott
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