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Clay Travis
Clay, have you heard of the Rio reset?
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Buck Sexton
Sounds like a trendy new workout, Buck.
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Clay Travis
It does, but it's actually a big summit going on in Brazil. The formal name is brics, which stands for Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa. But they've just added five new members.
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Buck Sexton
Smart move to stick with brics. We know what happens when acronyms don't end. They confuse everyone.
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Clay Travis
Well, that's an understatement. BRICS is a group of emerging economies hoping to increase their sway in the global financial order.
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Buck Sexton
Now that sounds like the plotline of a movie. I'm listening.
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Clay Travis
Philip Patrick is our Bruce Wayne. He's a precious metal specialist and a spokesman for the Birch Gold Group. He's on the ground in Rio getting the whole lowdown on what's going on there.
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Buck Sexton
Can he give us some inside intel?
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Clay Travis
Absolutely. He's been there since day one. In fact, a major theme at the summit is how BRICS nations aim to reduce reliance on the US dollar in global trade.
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Buck Sexton
Yikes. That doesn't sound good. We gotta get Philip on the line, stat.
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Clay Travis
Already did. And he left the Clay and Buck audience this message. The world is moving on from the dollar. Quietly but steadily, these nations are making real progress towards reshaping global trade. And the US Dollar is no longer the centerpiece. That shift doesn't happen overnight, but make no mistake, it's already begun. Thank you, Philip. Protect the value of your Savings account, your 401k, your IRA, all of them, by purchasing gold and placing it into those accounts and reducing your exposure to a declining dollar value. Text my name, Buck to 9,898. 98. You get the free information you'll need to make the right decision. You can rely on Birchgold Group as I do to give you the information you need to make an informed decision. One more time, text my name. Buck to 98. 98. 98.
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Buck Sexton
Welcome in Monday Edition Clay TRAVIS BUCS EXTON SHOW we hope all of you had fabulous weekends and boy, we are jumping right into the deep end of the pool. With a major news day underway. We will discuss the outcome of the Anchorage summit, but already it is being replaced by Zelensky on his way to the White House, along with many of the top leaders from throughout Europe. This will be one of the largest collections of leaders to ever visit the White House at one point in time. Here is the list. European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen. Well, that's not a good one to start with. I have no idea how to pronounce that last name. Von der Leyen, is that right? Italian Prime Minister. Georgia. Well, anyway, Italy, France, Britain, Germany and Finland, along with the Secretary General of NATO, all going to be participating in this huge meeting. And Buck, let's just dive right into it because, uh, I think this is the essence of the question. It seems to me, and you sign off or you take issue with, with my analysis here, it seems to me that we now have a sense for what both sides want. And the question is, can there be some sort of negotiated settlement, slash ceasefire? And I've got an idea of how this ends, but I want to see if you sign on or if you think it goes a different direction. The thing that Israel. The thing that Israel. The thing that Russia wants the most is the province of Donetsk or Danask or however you pronounce it. And it seems quite clear that that is their primary aim here. And they have about 80% of it so far, and they want 100% of it. Right now Ukraine is saying, we will not give up any land. I understand that argument. I think that is past. There is no world in which Ukraine does not have to give up land. The question is how much. What Ukraine most wants is some form of security guarantee. And it seems to me that there is a resolution of this conflict that would potentially look something like what happened with north and South Korea. I don't know that you have a demilitarized zone necessarily, but we still have a ton of troops in South Korea. Technically, that war has never really ended, but we provided security guarantees and as a result, there is a sort of a tenuous peace that is now extended for multiple generations. That feels to me like the most likely outcome here. Ukraine gets some form of security guarantee, Russia gets more of the Ukrainian land, and. And we have a tenuous piece that is put in place with the security guarantee in some way trying to act as a major point of dissuading Russia from ever invading more parts of Ukraine going forward. Do you sign off on that idea, that framework in general? If not, what do you think needs to be added to the equation?
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Clay Travis
Yes. We now know after the meeting with Trump and Putin, which I saw, of course, a lot of people in the media who are anti Trump were rushing to say, see, they don't have a deal. There wasn't going to be a deal because Ukraine's not there. It's about laying the groundwork for a deal. This is the biggest, nastiest, most horrible conflict, military conflict, in the world right now. It is not something that you can just snap your fingers and it goes away. Trump is trying to bring this to a conclusion. If he does so, it will be the most successful act of diplomacy from an American president in. I don't know, Clay, since Reagan bringing down the. The Berlin Wall and ending the Cold War. I mean, really, you'd have to go back quite nothing. Clinton did nothing. Bush did certainly nothing Obama did. And Biden wasn't even really president, as we know. So this is high stakes, the highest stakes. And yes, you're right, this is really what it comes down to. You have the Ukrainians who don't want to cede even more territory than the Russians currently have, and that's what's. So what the Russian demand is right now is we want everything we've got and then some to stop this war. That's what's come out of this. Sit down with Trump and Putin. The Ukrainian demand is, look, before we could even say, we'll give you anything, we need to know that this is really it. You know, it's a little bit like if you're being blackmailed, what's the big question for somebody. And this is a form of blackmail, in a sense, this invasion. Right? The big question is, ok, if I give you a bag of money, is this the last bag of money, or are you going to show up every six months demanding more? Is Russia going to just think this is a pause and then they can take more of Ukraine? That's where the security guarantees come in. Now, Clay, the challenge on the security guarantee front is that starts to sound a lot like NATO Article 5 to people, which is a huge red line for Putin and has been all along, and I think for a lot of Americans, too, it would be. Hold on a second. So now, if Russia does decide to go more, we are going to, you know, send in troops or we are going to be military. Now, I'm sure what's happening is it's going to be European partners, you know, financial and economic sanctions arrayed. The problem though is that that's not enough. And this is something that we've all seen over and over again. Sanctions are a tool. They are not an answer. They were not an answer in Iraq with Saddam Hussein. They were not an answer with, well, the Gaddafi thing, there's a whole bunch of stuff we could say about that. But sanctions alone, because he was actually going in our direction when we decided to topple, when, you know, the Clint, the Obama Clinton apparatus decided to topple him. But sanctions alone don't just end things for you. So Clay, this is where, this is where the detailed negotiations really matter. You know, what is a security guarantee? What security guarantee for Ukraine is sufficient other than we will put US troops in harm's way or US troops will be the cavalry if after this deal Russia decides to restart hostilities? I don't see us doing that. I don't think we should do that. And so then what is it? What's a realistic security guarantee for a country that the uk, Russia and America all promised when it gave up its nukes? Big mistake. We will guarantee your security 40 years ago or whatever it was. So this is tough stuff.
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Buck Sexton
I'm sympathetic for Ukraine because as you hit on, it's not that they're concerned about necessarily how this conflict resolves. It's that the last decade plus of Russian behavior has shown them that they never stop. They always want another bite at the apple. And I believe Ukraine's position is we have a very strong defensive works and if we give up this particular part of our country, that is going to gum up the apparatus to allow us to have a strong defensive line going forward. To say nothing of the fact that Ukraine believes this is their line, that it's, that it's their territory and they don't want to give it up. So I think that's the thing this has turned into.
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Clay Travis
This has turned it to really understand. And I've been over the weekend, I was kind of going through as much of the more detailed analysis of this as I could. Clay.
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Donald Trump
This is.
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Clay Travis
World War I trench warfare with drones and satellite communications. That's where we are. So you have a very detailed, I mean the Wall Street Journal had this layout of the fortifications. They have a six layer fortification barrier and everyone's saying, you know, kind of like a Maginot line, which of course does not. Historically the French Maginot line did not work out well. But this one is being specifically built to be anti tank as well, in nature. So the way the Journal laid it out, they've got barbed wire and metal coils that are low vis, low visibility to intentionally entrap and ensnare Russian. Not just armor, but the Russians have been using motorbikes to try to just break through small areas in the lines. Then it's an anti tank ditch. Then it is anti vehicle barriers they call dragon's teeth, these cement pyramids that they're putting down. All of you who are GWAT veterans, remember the HESCO barriers, Jersey barriers, HESCO barriers. Huge thing was these cement, big cement blocks essentially to stop vehicle borne improvised explosive devices. Then there's a second anti tank ditch, Clay, and then a third anti tank ditch with mines and then a sixth layer of additional barbed wire and metal coil. So this is very reminiscent of the trenches in the first World War. It's just higher technology and they have to be very cognizant of these drones, these anti personnel drones that can, that are coming down at you from the sky. Right. So it's almost like artillery rounds, but they're smart rounds in that someone is using a camera to find you and get you. And the, I mean, it is brutal warfare. A lot of people are being caught up in the coils and the wire and then they wait and then a drone circling overhead and the drone comes in and blows them up.
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Buck Sexton
Trump said. And I don't know how accurate this is because sometimes casualties get conflated with deaths. Trump said 20,000 Russian troops died in July. Again, that is the most recent number that I've heard publicly out there. Now maybe it's 20,000 casualties because again, sometimes those numbers get used in fluctuating ways. I think it's clear that hundreds of thousands of people have been severely injured and or killed on both sides of this, of this fight so far. And so really I do think the benefit of the meeting in Russia is, sorry, with Russia in Anchorage is we now know, I think, somewhat what Putin wants and a lot of people are focused on, well, we didn't get an immediate cease fire and I understand that that would be better in theory, but really the goal is peace. It's not a ceasefire. And so Ukraine's going to have to give up land and there's going to have to be some sort of security guarantee that is put in place.
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Clay Travis
I think the big, the asterisk though, Clay, is we know what Putin wants now. And I think that's where there's a big stumbling block here for Ukraine. That's what gets into security guarantees. If they could be certain that the territory that Russia already has, maybe plus a little bit, would be the end of this. That's one thing I think they, they feel that this war has been going on not just since the major invasion, but before that. The Russian Mascarova, the, the deception war, the. Oh, there's some separatists who are all just Russians being ordered out of Moscow. That, that it would be a ceasefire and then give it some time and then the Russians break through again. Right. Because why not? And so I think that's where this becomes really hard. You have to be damn sure on the Ukrainian side and Zelensky does that whatever the concessions are, it'll be. It'll be like north and South Korea, where you're not just going to punch through that line and do whatever you want afterwards. And that's been going on for a.
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Buck Sexton
Long time, which is why I think maybe a solution here is some form of demilitarized zone. I know it's more complicated because no one lives in the demilitarized zone. And this would theoretically be places where people have been living. But that seems to me the best way to potentially solve it.
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Clay Travis
That's basically what they're building. I mean, when you're talking about the expansive. It's hundreds of miles of these fortifications, Clay, it really. It's World War I redux in that sense. I mean, this is not. It's not a few places where they're dug in. They're dug in along an entire front of hundreds of miles.
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Buck Sexton
So, yeah, it's. It's crazy. It's crazy what they have built.
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Clay Travis
That's what this, that's what this war has turned into. So this is, it's very tough stuff. I still have a lot of faith. You know, I even think it's the wrong thing to say, cuz I heard Marco Rubio talking about this over the weekend. It's not just. I have faith that if anyone can get this done, it's Trump. The only person who can get this done is Donald Trump. And that is not some Trump worship thing. That is the truth. The only person who could bring this together at this point in time, who has the gravitas, who's in a position to bring this horrible war that's killing hundreds of thousands of people to an end is Donald Trump. And I just say that because everyone, especially Ukraine, flag waving, Slava, Ukraine, Americans and Europeans should be rooting for maximum success here. And anything short of that, I think, is. Is a really ugly manifestation of Trump derangement syndrome. We'll get into more of this. We'll take your calls on this as well here. If your cell phone service is with Verizon, AT&T or T Mobile, you're overpaying. And what you're mostly paying for are thousands of retail stores you never go into. You're paying for sponsorships you'll never benefit from, and you're paying a massive premium for what you think is superior 5G service. But guess what? That's not true because PureTalk uses the same 5G network on the same 5G towers. The only difference? PureTalk doesn't overcharge you for their cell phone service. You get unlimited talk, text and plenty of data for $25 a month. That's less than half the price of the big guys during a time when saving a buck really matters. And with Pure Talk, you can keep your phone and your number. Do this from your cell phone, dial £250 and say the keyword Clay and Buck. You'll save an additional 50% off your first month. You can literally be switched over to Pure Talk in about 10 minutes time. Dial £250, say the keywords Clay and Buck and switch to Pure Talk Wireless. Buy Americans For Americans.
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Clay Travis
All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. The biggest thing happening in the world right now is going on right in the White House. Trump sitting down with Zelensky. Let's join them live right now. Play it.
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Donald Trump
But all of these deals I made without even the mention of the words ceasefire.
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Buck Sexton
Decision to offer Ukraine Article 5 like security guarantees, but stop short of.
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Frank Gaffney
Pushing for their full membership.
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Donald Trump
Yeah, well, we haven't done anything on that yet. If you look back and you go back long before President Putin, it was always a statement that they would never allow Ukraine into NATO. So that was a statement that was made. But we haven't discussed any of that yet. We're going to be discussing it today. But we will give them very good protection, very good security. That's part of it. And the people that are waiting for us, they are, I think they're very like minded. They want to, they want to help out also.
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Clay Travis
Thank you, President.
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Buck Sexton
Thank you. Thank you, President Trump. The United States President, the United States has already given hundreds of billions of of dollars to this war effort in Ukraine. At best, it is a stalemate. And the killing continues. So, President Trump, how much more is the United States willing to give Ukraine? And President Zelensky, how much more do you want?
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Donald Trump
Well, I'll start off just by saying we're not giving anything now. We're selling weapons. This is something before. I guess the number is well over $300 billion. That was under Joe Biden. A corrupt politician, not a smart man, never was, by the way. Go back 40 years. He was not a smart man 40 years ago either. But now he's in particular bad. This was done by a corrupt administration that shouldn't have been in and of the. And frankly, if the right results of the election were given, if I were president, this war would have never taken place. And he would have been very happy because he would have liked to have seen. I mean, they went through hell, he went through hell. This war would have never happened. And the people that were killed, a couple of million people, a lot of people with soldiers and everything else, and the people that have been displaced and forced into other areas and other countries because of what's happened, none of that would have happened. And I'm just saying that he was a horrible president. Whether it was the borders or this, he was just a horrible corruption. Mr. President.
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Volodymyr Zelensky
I can thank you so much. So, first of all, we have possibility now to buy weapons from the United States. We are thankful for this program and this opportunity. We are thankful for Europe, they pay for this. And through NATO program for and etc. We have some programs where we can have some money to finance this. And this part, I think, is not a part for the war and to defend us. It also will be a part for security guarantees to strengthen our army, to rearm Ukrainian army. This is very, very important. And it depends how much money we need to rearm. For example, the question of air defense, we spoke about it with President Trump and I'm happy that we have now bilateral decisions and we work on it with production of American product. Nobody in Europe has so many air defense like Patriots, for example. We need it very much. And this is also about defending.
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Donald Trump
I think the good news, we make the best military equipment in the world by far. You mentioned the Patriots. How good are they? We have Systems, they're literally 100% foolproof. And it's really like shooting two bullets, you know, two bullets hitting each other in the air. In a space like this, the chances 100% it's 99 to 100%. So we sell the equipment to NATO and NATO does what? I don't know what the arrangement is that you have with, but I know that they want you to have the equipment and we're getting the best equipment in the world, but they pay us for the equipment. Under Biden. It was just crazy what was going on. I believe that number is over 300. I think it could be $350 billion worth of equipment and money and everything else. And we've made more progress in settling this war in the last two months than they made in four years. This should have been settled a long time ago, but it should have never happened. Yeah, please, real quick.
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You pushed out on social media.
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Donald Trump
Brian, go ahead, go first, you pushed out on social media about doing away with Mellon Bow and potentially electronic voting machines. Can you expand on that and how important? Well, that's a very off topic. Just really quickly. Mail in ballots are corrupt. Mail in ballots. You can never have a real democracy with mail in ballots. And we as a Republican Party are going to do everything possible that we get rid of mail in ballots. We're going to start with an executive order that's being written right now by the best lawyers in the country to end mail in ballots because they're corrupt. And you know that we're the only country in the world. I believe I may be wrong, but just about the only country in the world that uses it because of what's happened. Massive fraud all over the place. The other thing we want change are the machines for all of the money they spend. It's approximately 10 times more expensive than paper ballots. And paper ballots are very sophisticated. With the watermark paper and everything else, we would get secure elections. We'd get much faster results. The machines, I mean, they say we're going to have the results in two weeks with paper ballots. You have the results that night. Most people, almost. But most people, many countries use paper ballots. It's the most secure form. So between paper ballots, very, very important paper ballots and I think maybe even more important important, the mail in voting. We're going to end mail in voting. It's a fraud if you have mail in. Even Jimmy Carter with this commission, they set it up, he said the one thing about mail in voting, you will never have an honest election if you have mail in it. And it's time that the Republicans get tough and stop it. Because the Democrats want it. It's the only way they can get elected. Because with men and women, sports and with transgender for Everybody and all open borders and all of the horrible things. And now the new thing is they love crime. They're fighting me on the fact that I've made Washington D.C. safe. We're not going to get mugged, beaten up or killed. Like all the people you've been watching get so badly hurt. I'm glad. I hate to take your time with this, but I'm glad you asked me that question. We're going to stop mail in ballots because it's corrupt. You know when you go to a voting booth and you do it the right way and you go to a state that runs it properly, you go in. They even asked me, they asked me for my license plate for identify. I said, I don't know if I have it. They said, sir, you have to have it. They're very impressed, actually. But it's very hard to cheat with mail in voting, as you know what happens in California, it's so corrupt where some people get five, six, seven ballots, those delivered to them. We got to stop mail in voting. And the Republicans have to lead the charge. The Democrats want it because they have horrible policy. If you have mail in voting, you're not going to have many Democrats get elected. That's bigger than anything having to do with redistricting, believe me. And the Republicans have to get smart. We're not going to have a country. I said for a long time in rallies, every, you need borders and you need free and fair elections. Those two things. Otherwise you don't have. We have strong borders now. In 90 days, Mr. President, we didn't have 1 0, 0 in three months. Not one person came in illegally into our country. In fact, even I find that hard to believe. But it's run by a little bit of a liberal group that put out the numbers. So I guess it's 0, 0 and 0. You go back a year ago, two years ago, three millions of people poured into our country. It was terrible. Thank you very much.
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Clay Travis
What country guarantees do you need from President Trump to be able to make a deal?
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Buck Sexton
Is it American troops, intelligence, equipment, what is it?
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Volodymyr Zelensky
Everything, really. It includes two parts. First, strong Ukrainian army. That what I began to discuss with your colleagues. And it's a lot about weapon and people and training missions, intelligence. And second, we will discuss with our partners. It depends on big countries, on the United States, on a lot of our friends.
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Buck Sexton
And Mr. President, are you willing to commit American troops to that NATO like.
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Clay Travis
Protection in order to get President Zelensky to a deal today?
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Donald Trump
Well, I don't know if you define it that way. But NATO, like, I mean, we're going to give. We have people waiting in another room right now. They're all here from Europe, biggest people in Europe, and they want to give protection. They feel very strongly about it, and we'll help them out with that. I think it's very important. I think it's very important to get the deal done.
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Clay Travis
You've been involved with the peacekeeping in.
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Volodymyr Zelensky
Ukraine since your first day in the administration.
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Donald Trump
What would you say to the Ukrainian.
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Buck Sexton
People right now who are suffering under.
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Clay Travis
The Russian attacks and hoping that the American people will stand the zeal?
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Donald Trump
Well, I know Ukrainian people. I've known many over the years. They're great people. They're smart, they're energetic. They love their country. I mean, they love their country. And we want to get this war ended. That's all I can do. I love the Ukrainian people, but I love all people. I love the Russian people. I love them all. I want to get the war stopped. Very important.
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Mary Kathryn Hammer and Carol Markowitz
Was there any aspect of your discussion?
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Clay Travis
All right, so I think we can jump in there. Just. I mean, that, that question, I think, was from Francesca Chambers. I think I couldn't really see.
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Buck Sexton
But those last couple of questions, Buck, I think go to the crux of the issue. In fact, if I were in the White House, I would have just cut it out right there on that Trump answer, because I think it's a good one. He's trying to bring peace. He's not. He's not trying to pick sides.
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Clay Travis
That stuff we know, the stuff about what does a security guarantee look like? This is what I said before Trump was talking, before Trump said this, we were discussing this last hour, Clay. It's gotta be, if Russia breaks this new agreement, we're gonna help blow up bad guy Russians. I don't know. I mean, that's kind of where it is. Everyone. I mean, this is really what the discussion is turning into.
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Buck Sexton
I think, to your point, we have to have basically, I don't see any solution other than a Korea like solution where you have a demilitarized zone where you basically have a impenetrable line of defense and you just have kind of this grudging agreement that there isn't going to be crossing. Now, the challenge on this, Buck, as you well know, is we were talking about this off air. The drone technology is advancing so rapidly that having a traditional line of defense may not matter as much in the years ahead because you could basically send drone armies right over the top of these, you know, sort of entrenchments.
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Clay Travis
This is why he was talking about Patriot missiles. Air defense is now a huge component of this. In the first World War, you really just had to worry about artillery coming down on you from the sky. Yeah, there was the early Air Force stuff and even at one point I think they were dropping hand grenades out of planes. It was a very different thing in World War I. But Clay, now it's going to be. You're going to have these trenches because remember, you have to protect against armor, you have to protect against missiles, you have to protect against drones and you have against airstrikes from manned, manned aircraft as well. So there. It's a complicated multilayered defense are going to have to have. Stopping people on the ground to your point isn't enough because there's enough aerial assets that the Russians can bring to bear where they'll pummel whatever ground fortifications you have, unless you have aerial defense set up as well. So the Patriot missiles, those are for bigger the problem of Patriots, they're really expensive. They are very advanced weaponry, but they're very expensive. So you don't want to be shooting $50,000 drones out of the air with million dollar missiles. That's not a good, that's not a good plan. And industrial capacity is playing a huge role in this. How many drones of different types can the Russians churn out monthly and how many drones can the Ukrainians to take out the Russian drones and to defend themselves against Russian attacks on their front lines? And remember the Iranians, the Shahed drone is a, that's, that's been a big thing in the Russian arsenal. So they've got, they've got allied countries that are giving them industrial output assistance. So this, this thing is, is a mess. It is a mess. And Trump is, you can just see it in his eyes too. He's. He just wants all this madness to stop. He wants this to end. And I think that he is by far, Clay, the best chance we have of, of getting it to end. I don't know anybody else who could even be having this kind of a trilateral or I should say, hopefully what will be a trilateral. Sit down. When we get Russia and Ukraine in the same place. Cyberhackers make their money by stealing identities and setting up accounts, pretending to be somebody else, somebody like you. And then they are able to just run wild online, take out loans in your name, credit cards, all kinds of stuff. It's a mess. It can happen to absolutely anyone. And you know what they do. You might think, oh well, I won't fall victim to a phishing attack. Although those can be very sophisticated. They get into customer databases. So it's not even you could be perfect online and your data could be breached because of what some other company, some other entity has done. This is why you just need to have Lifelock. I've had Lifelock for years. It is simply your best defense online. And if you do become a victim of identity theft and you're a Lifelock member, you can rely on a dedicated US Based restoration specialist who will work with you to fix it, guaranteed or your money back. Become a Lifelock member if you're not already. Join now and save 40% off your first year with promo code BUCK. Call 1-800-LIFELOCK or go online to lifelock.com and use my name Buck as your promo code for 40 off terms apply.
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Buck Sexton
Two guys walk up to a mic. Anything goes. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. We are rolling through the Monday edition of the program and it is a super newsworthy one. We just got finished with an Oval Office meeting between Trump and Zelensky and I would say as we work towards the idea of a trilateral meeting, Trump is effectively playing the role of mediator. There are the all also probably more European leaders in the White House at one moment than we've almost ever seen before. I mean, you've got the leaders of France, Germany, Italy, England, the head of NATO, basically everyone arrayed there for a meeting to discuss the future of the Ukraine, Russia conflict. And I do think the meeting that we just saw between Trump and Zelensky was light years, light years different than the last time we saw Zelensky in the Oval Office when they were negotiating the so called mineral rights agreement. And all of this is moving in rapid speed. One bit of news that came out at the end of the press conference and I don't think we've hardly even mentioned it, if at all on this program, Melania Trump wrote a letter that Trump hand delivered to Vladimir Putin calling on Putin to end the war and stop the murder suffering that is going on in Europe. That matters on some level because Melania Trump, Buck, you may remember the exact country was it she was from the Czech Republic area, if I remember where.
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Clay Travis
Is Melania is from Slovenia.
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Buck Sexton
Slovenia. So she is familiar as someone who was born and raised in in that region in some way with the influence of Russia and all of those, all of those angles associated with it. Just now, Zelensky's wife has written a letter to Melania thanking her reportedly for trying to do whatever she can to stop the war. And Zelensky is going to deliver that letter from his wife to Melania Trump. I mentioned that only in the context of personal relationships is everything to Trump. And you can argue, hey, that shouldn't be the case. There's huge state departments. Trump wants to look in the eye of someone else and have a handshake agreement or a relationship. It seems to me, Buck, that the relationship between Trump and Zelensky is actually much stronger now than it was back in. Was it February when they had the Oval Office blow up? If I remember correctly, I think it was February. They had that iconic head to head meeting after the Pope died in Rome, in the Vatican City. And it seems like their relationships have been improving since Slovenia. By the way, for those of you who are not geographic experts, and I would put myself firmly in this category, Slovenia was a part of Yugoslavia prior to becoming an independent nation in 1991. Just FYI. Okay, let me play some of these cuts that all just came out in the last hour or so. Let's see. Trump says there could be a trilateral meeting right off the top here. Cut 32. Let's listen.
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Donald Trump
We're going to have a meeting. I think if everything works out well today, we'll have a try that. And I think there will be a reasonable chance of ending the war when we do that.
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Is this the end of the road.
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Buck Sexton
For American support for Ukraine? Is today's meeting deal or no deal?
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Donald Trump
I can never say that. It's never the end of the road. People are being killed and we want to stop that. So I would not say it's the end of the road. No, I think we have a good chance of doing it. It's been almost four years now that a lot of people were killed last week. A lot of people last week. I mean, millions of people killed, but a lot of people last week for whatever reason, a big number, A lot of soldiers, both on both sides. And I know the President, I know myself, and I believe Vladimir Putin wants to see it ended.
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Buck Sexton
And as you met with Putin on Friday, so you've got President Zelensky here, as you listen to Russia and Ukraine, which side has the better cards?
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Donald Trump
Well, I don't want to say that. I'm just going to. I'm just here to be. Look, this isn't my war. This is Joe Biden, Biden's war. He's the one that had a lot to do with this happening. And we want to get it ended and we want it to end good for everybody. We want it to end good. The people of Ukraine have suffered incredibly.
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Buck Sexton
Okay, let me hit you with a couple of others here, Buck. And then we'll break down what we think the significance is here. Cut 37. Trump says we want a long term peace. We're not looking for a short term deal. I think that's important. Cut 37.
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Donald Trump
We're going to work with Ukraine, we're going to work with everybody. We're going to make sure that if there's peace, the peace is going to stay long term. This is very long term. We're not talking about a two year peace and then we end up in this mess again. We're going to make sure that everything's good. We'll work with Russia, we're going to work with Ukraine, we're going to make sure it works. And I think if we can get to peace, it's going to work. I have no doubt about it.
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Buck Sexton
Okay, so Buck, and let me play one more time because I think this is probably the most newsworthy element. Trump not ruling out sending American troops to Ukraine. This is cut 34. I think that was the biggest news that came out of this press availability in the Oval Office. Cut 34.
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Donald Trump
Your team has talked about security guarantees. Could that involve U.S. troops?
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Clay Travis
Would you rule that out in the future?
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Donald Trump
We'll let you know that maybe later today. We're meeting with seven great leaders of great countries also. And, and we'll be talking about that. They'll all be involved, but there'll be a lot of, there'll be a lot of help when it comes to security. There's going to be a lot of help. It's going to be good. They are first line of defense because they're there, they're here, but we're going to help them out also. We'll be involved.
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Buck Sexton
Okay.
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Clay Travis
Yeah. That's the big, that's the biggest thing of all here. The land issue, the swaps, the. You get this. I get that it's going to be painful for Ukraine because they don't think they should lose anything to Russian aggression. But the realities are what they are right now and that I think you can get to a negotiated settlement. Right now the challenge is how does that settlement endure and how does it endure specifically without us either guarantee of security, meaning we would send in actual military to help repulse another Russian. I'm just laying it out, everybody. This is where we are. I'm not advocating for it. I'm talking about what it would mean. I think we can all see what it would mean or as Clay was laying it out before, the possibility of a US Military presence in Ukraine as the ultimate guarantor of, of peace in the region. Because, you know, if you have Russian tanks rolling over and shooting at Americans, that's going to mean immediately we're involved. But I understand what that also means. Russia, thousands of nukes, major military, first world, first world military, if not a first world economy. And it's, it's a challenge. I wonder how now the Trump has to be clear. Trump hasn't said that's happening. Maybe that doesn't happen. But we are trying to think here through Clay. What is a, you know, guarantee is a very powerful word. What is a guarantee acceptable to Ukraine at this point that does not involve a clear U.S. maybe an EU contingent instead. But I don't see how you get around that.
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Buck Sexton
I think there's so many ways to tiptoe up. First of all, when we did the mineral rights agreement, it is a backdoor acknowledgment that will defend American interest in Ukraine. That's why Ukraine wanted to do the deal. It wasn't talked about a lot, but when you say, hey, America owns 50% of this mine, effectively then you are saying we're not going to let somebody come in and take away American property. So it is a backdoor defense. Part of me wonders whether they're going to get really skillful in the way that this is drafted. Maybe Europe is providing some secondary and maybe, let me use my vocabulary. Well, here the Americans are the tertiary troops. And so you have think about this. And again, this is just me kind of sketching out. You have the Ukrainian troops on the front line and Ukraine is staring right across at Russia in some sort of newly designed battlefield setup that is not dissimilar to what we have in Korea. In secondary support, you have so called European peace treaty peacekeeping troops that are basically a secondary line of defense. Further back, maybe it's 50 miles, 60 miles, whatever you want to do, but do have the ability to move to the front rapidly as needed. Then in a third tier, in a tertiary level you have American troops on the ground protecting, securing all of the economic interests of the United States. But that is all the way back, maybe in Kiev, right. Very far from the front lines. Is that an acceptable backdoor ish NATO Article 5 protection without officially being it meaning Russia has to invade in order for those troops to get called in from line two and line three. And then the other part of this buck that I wonder about is how much does Trump just trust that Putin's not going to test him? That matters, but only for the next three years. Oh, because if you suddenly had President Kamala Harris, do you feel comfortable that Putin. Who knows? Again, Putin can play the long game a bit here because he's got 20 years in theory, to still be president. And he knows at some point, sadly, in those 20 years, maybe the United States has Joe Biden 2.0 and he takes advantage of that.
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Clay Travis
Yes. I mean, we all know Kamala is not going to run again, Clay. But beside that point, if it's President Newsom or President Kamala Harris, that will change the calculation for Vladimir Putin. No question about it. I do think, though, that we're in a situation where Trump is. He's going to be negotiating to end this thing, and he might have to come out and tell the MAGA base, hey, guys, this is the only way to get this done or else this thing grinds on forever. And then there's a greater risk of possible American, Russian direct conflict. And then, of course, there's always that specter in the background of a. Some kind of a tactical nuclear exchange on the front lines. Now, nobody wants that. I hope it doesn't come to US Troops as the guarantee. I'm just trying to think of what this was, why we talked about the sanctions thing. Anything that is, oh, we're going to make Russia's economy beg for mercy is not a guarantee of Ukrainian security. That's what we've already seen. Okay, there's. There, there is nothing that they can promise on the economic warfare front against Russia that would make any savvy Ukrainian think that that's actually a guarantee. It's a stumbling block to Russian aggression at best. So with that, it's gotta be military. I'm also reminded here, Clay, of how right Trump was all along, even in his first term, about how NATO needs to step up. NATO needs to spend more on its defense. Europe needs to stop being a bunch of free riders. EU is the largest economy in the world, everybody. The EU is the largest economy in the world. The, you know, the Eurozone. Now, obviously, it's a lot of different countries put together, but why is America by far the biggest contributor to this in. In materiel? And why isn't, you know, why isn't Europe stepping up and realizing, you know, all those fancy social welfare states you got running guys, it's only because of the American security Guarantee you've been able to get that going.
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Buck Sexton
And I thought part of the press conference that was actually interesting and illuminating in that aspect was Trump pointing out NATO spending has gotten to basically 5% or they have that target now. The way that this is structured since Trump came into office is we sell weapons to NATO and then NATO then provides those weapons to Ukraine in some way. It sounded like that was the way that he was describing it.
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Clay Travis
This is the role of Pakistan, by the way, in the Soviet Afghan war and the Pakistani ISI Inter Services Intelligence Agency, they were the cutouts for us to get the Stingers and the other weaponry. You know, you guys remember Charlie Wilson's war to bring that up again. But it was the Pakistani intelligence services because they could operate in that region. Obviously the Europeans are already in country and can pass along whatever we need them to pass along.
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Buck Sexton
I would also point this out. President Trump has got such a connection with his base and with the Republican Party in general. I think that a lot of people just trust him to get a deal done. And I think that gives him the flexibility to do some things that other Republican leaders couldn't. I think people trust Trump to keep us out of war, I really do. And I do think that that gives him negotiating leverage to try to get a deal done. The thing that Russia wants, again, I think it's always so important. What do the people want? Russia wants land, Ukraine wants security. That's their number one goal. We can provide some of that security, but how is it structured is the key, and that's the devil in the details, so to speak.
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Clay Travis
Welcome back into Clay and Buck, guys. Just a quick cleanup on I'll buck here. Sorry, I got a stat wrong and it's an important one. So Maya Culpa, give me a code red. At one point in the 21st century, the EU had a larger economy than the US I think was around 2008. The team just pulled up all the numbers. But we have absolutely smoked the EU over the last 15 years or so in terms of GDP growth. So we're at about what is it like? We're they they all the European countries combined are about 20 trillion. We're about 30 trillion. So sorry but sorry, sorry. Their population is larger than ours. They've got about 450 million. We've got about 330 depending on how you want to count the illegals. But you know, it's a whole other thing. But so they have a bigger population manpower. But in terms of, you know, we're talking about the Ukraine situation, but in terms of materiel, monetary resources. What. What an astonishing stat in favor of the US Approach of things, by the way. It's not even close. Over the last 15 years we have absolutely, it turns out, working 20 hours a week and like three days a week and you know, having eight weeks off a year doesn't make you as rich as what Americans do. So mea culpa, all VIPs. I'm sorry, Buck is is fallible on both serving and stats. Although the serve game is not over yet. Let's take our friend Frank Gaffney here. Frank Gaffney was President Reagan's Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Policy, also served as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for nuclear forces and arms control policy. Frank, appreciate you being here. I'm sure you saw what's going on in that Trump White House in that meeting. Can we just dive into the security guarantee part? Because that's the, that's the sticky situation that seems to be emerging right now. What do you make of it?
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Frank Gaffney
Well, it's sticky all the way around as best I can tell. On the one hand I'm incredulous that Vladimir Putin will actually accept it. I'm also somewhat surprised that President Trump apparently has in some form or another and you know, whether it's enough to persuade the Ukrainians to relinquished territory that they've lost, to be frank, but nonetheless seek to recover, remains very much to be seen. So it's, it is what the Brits would call, I think, a sticky wicket in the cricket game.
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Buck Sexton
Frank, it seems that basically this is boiled down to Russia is going to demand territory, Ukraine's going to demand security guarantees. I mean, that seems to be the primary goal of each side at this point. How does this resolve itself? Is there any parallel in the Cold War? The analogy we've been using is Korea. You have a demilitarized zone. It's been a tenuous piece, but it now has lasted for 75 some odd years. Ish. Is there any precedent there? How would you solve this situation if you were given the ability to act as mediator?
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Frank Gaffney
Well, I would do one thing that as far as I can tell is not on the table or even being discussed and that is I would hold the Chinese Communist Party accountable for the fix that we're in at the moment. I believe that they, Xi Jinping specifically greenlighted the invasion of Iraq, excuse me, of Ukraine, and in so doing has been ever since the enabler of this war. I think they did it for selfish reasons. I believe that it is to distract the United States and the Europeans to tie us down, to bleed us in terms of military equipment and financial means. And that all serves the purpose China for its own agenda out in the Pacific. So I would start by saying those guys have to be held accountable for what's being done here. And without that, I honestly am not sure that the Russians will agree to anything. I think as long as the Chinese believe, as they've indicated, that this war should continue, the much junior partner in this so called new no limits partnership, namely Vladimir Putin, is probably going to be heeding his, his bosses in Beijing. So it's a challenge that is not currently being addressed, as I said. And I think that until it does, it's not clear to me that any of these negotiations amount much.
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Clay Travis
So we're still hoping for break breakthroughs here, Frank, and we're going to get more details about where the Ukrainian side comes down on this. It seems like there's a willingness for Zelensky to sit down with Putin, which is certainly a necessary precondition for the trilateral, the trilateral discussion, if not trilateral agreement to come out of this. What, though, do you think, what can Trump do to pressure the Russians to actually be willing to end this thing? Because that's one thing that's getting a lot of attention right now as this is going on, as these discussions are happening, and Trump was saying it in the Oval Office. The Russians are escalating their offensive. The Russians are trying to run up more casualties on the Ukrainian side as we're supposed to see conversations about peace. So do you think all the economic levers have been pulled? How can Trump get through to Putin that he won't just continue to get more if he keeps fighting?
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Frank Gaffney
Well, again, Trump has placed secondary sanctions on India for buying Russian oil at discounted prices. The Chinese are also doing that. And I think if Trump wants to bring real pressure to bear on Putin, put those secondary sanctions on China, and I think you'll see that there is probably a willingness to get to an agreement that doesn't exist at the moment. That's what I would do.
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Buck Sexton
How do you preserve. Okay, let's pretend that Ukraine, because this is where I do think Zelinsky has a, maybe the most important argument. Let's say that he says, okay, we're going to give you some of the territory that you have invaded that we don't think you deserve, but you took this land and we're going to draw a new border. But based on the way Putin has behaved over the last 10 years, how do you, if you're Zelinsky, knowing that Trump only has three and a half years left in office, keep any kind of security apparatus or faith in this deal when Putin has shown that he will not abide by any sort of agreement not to invade again, meaning as soon as Trump leaves and you end up with another weak Democrat in office, Putin tries to take another bite at the apple. In other words, I'm actually sympathetic to Zelensky. The security guarantees seem to be, to me, the most important thing for Ukraine. I don't understand how you change that dynamic.
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Clay Travis
Dynamic?
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Frank Gaffney
I'm not sure you can. Again, unless there is some disincentive to Putin that is not evident at the moment. To the contrary, I think that what he is signaling in his behavior to date, for sure, and arguably in some of his posturing at the moment, is he's leaving his options open, and that means that a security guarantee is necessary. I'm just not sure that the United States has the appetite for it, and if it does, whether it will be broadly, you know, supported by the American people. We've talked ourselves into a position where a lot of folks, particularly in the MAGA community, are persuaded that Ukraine's not our problem, and we certainly don't want to put American boots or lives on the line to protect it. I, like you, I think, have some sympathy for the argument that the Ukrainians are making, especially because back in 94, we gave them security guarantees if they gave up nuclear weapons, and that went over the side. And they're rightfully, I think, very reluctant to buy that pig in a poke again.
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Clay Travis
What do you make of the argument that has been out there among some of the more hawkish Ukraine supporters in this country, that if Putin isn't stopped definitively in Ukraine, he will go into other countries in Europe? Because that. You're hearing less of that right now? Because I think everyone's focused on this current negotiation. But that has certainly been something that people have been saying about Russia's intentions.
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Frank Gaffney
I think that is Putin's intention. He's made no secret that he thinks the greatest disaster of the 20th century was the fall of the old Soviet Union. I think he seeks to, if not reestablish it fully, then some fashion of the Russian Empire. And that means bites of parts of Europe again. And I hate to belabor this point, but I think in some measure, it's a function of whether he's going to have the backing and support of China to do such a thing. And unless we get serious about dissuading the Chinese from thinking that more chaos, what I call strategic arson, is something that they can pursue with. With impunity, you're going to find, I think, Putin believing that he can, in fact, similarly act with impunity, if not immediately down the road.
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Buck Sexton
Okay, so let's say we don't get any settlement at all. We're coming up on the winter. Typically, things kind of grind to a halt just based on the. The difficulties in moving men and material, based on the weather there. How long would this go on in your mind, if both sides just continue basically on the trajectory we're on right now?
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Frank Gaffney
Well, something that's changed in the course of this war is that it's not all about the movement of mechanized divisions. That gets very tricky in the wintertime, especially the muddy periods at the beginning and end of it. But what I think you're going to be seeing more of is more of rockets and drones, especially the war can continue. That is a question of resources on the part of the Ukrainians, particularly human resources. And seemingly the Russians being bankrolled by the Chinese again and getting all kinds of equipment for the war from Iran if its mullahs are still in power there. I hope that that will be something else that we attend to and a.
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Clay Travis
Close Frank, DOD with Reagan. You you were privy to high level discussions of this nature. You you know what the feel is like, what the tone is like when things are progressing versus when things are stalling. How would you gauge your optimism at what we've seen so far today added to what we saw Friday in Alaska?
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Frank Gaffney
I think it's a work in progress and my guess is that what we're going to see more of is posturing and a decision that there's more meetings to be had. So I think that this is not yet ripe for a conclusion. Hope I'm wrong, but I think there are pieces of this that haven't yet been addressed, as I say, and that means this will continue at the talking stage, I suppose, as well as the warring stage, while the talking goes on.
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Buck Sexton
Thank you, Frank. We appreciate the time and you coming on and sharing your expertise with us.
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Frank Gaffney
Happy to do it. Thanks for having me.
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