Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Aug 28 2025

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show – Daily Review (Aug 28, 2025)

Brief Overview

In this episode, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton tackle the aftermath and wider social implications of a recent horrific school shooting in Minneapolis, allegedly perpetrated by a trans-identifying shooter. The hosts scrutinize political rhetoric, mental health, and policy responses around trans issues, school safety, and media coverage. With guest interviews from investigative reporter Mary Margaret Olahan and Virginia Lieutenant Governor Winsome Sears, the episode explores failures in political leadership, the dangers of "toxic empathy," and the partisan dynamics shaping public discourse.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Minneapolis School Shooting & Trans Ideology (Start–07:26)

• Clay Travis opens the show highlighting the specifics of the school attack in Minneapolis, drawing parallels to the 2023 Nashville shooting, both involving trans-identifying shooters with ideological motives.
• He argues for an end to what he terms "toxic empathy" from adults towards children with gender dysphoria, positioning "almost everyone who is claiming that they're trans [as] severely mentally ill" (00:54).
• Buck Sexton adds that societal rhetoric and medical interventions ("all sorts of drugs") exacerbate instability and violence:

  "Our society is making a lot of this stuff worse... The ideology of trans people are able to change their gender. And if you don't believe this, you're a Nazi and you are committing genocide. There's language like this all over the Internet right now in response to what happened yesterday. That is completely insane." (03:42)

• Both hosts tie the current violence to broader social delusions fueled by progressive politics and "emotional blackmail" of parents.

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2. Political Rhetoric, Media Responsibility, and Real World Impact (07:26–13:03)

• The hosts play audio of Gavin Newsom predicting Trump would "end democracy," and discuss how such rhetoric can influence unstable individuals.

  "These lies have consequences, because in the brain of broken people, they accept them as truth." – Clay (09:28)

• Buck draws a parallel to past shootings, such as the 2017 congressional baseball attack, linking incendiary left-wing language to real-world violence.
• They criticize Democratic leaders and legacy media for lack of accountability and for, at times, misgendering or obscuring the facts about perpetrators’ motives and identities.

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3. The “Toxic Empathy” Paradigm and Parental Dilemmas (13:03–15:49)

• Clay asserts that progressive approaches to transgender youth constitute "emotional blackmail":

  "Your kid's going to kill themselves unless you listen to us and chop their boobs off... It's emotional blackmail on parents. And it makes me sick, honestly." (14:17)

• Buck draws an analogy to telling a PTSD-afflicted veteran not to seek help, framing current trends in "affirming" children's gender dysphoria as profoundly wrong and damaging.

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4. Interview: Mary Margaret Olahan on School Safety & Trans Policy (18:05–31:20)

• Mary Margaret Olahan (Daily Wire) discusses how Minnesota's Catholic and independent schools warned Governor Tim Walz of safety threats post-Nashville, but no action was taken.
• She highlights the state's prioritization of "trans refuge" laws over protective measures for religious schools, adding:

  "In the same year that Tim Walz was being asked to protect these Catholic and Christian schools and he didn't do it, he did provide more protections for trans identifying people in the state..." (21:17)

• On advice to parents questioning how to respond to their child's announcement of a new gender identity:

  “Do not fall prey to the anxieties. Don’t trust medical institutions, do some basic research and realize you’re not alone… Get your kid out of the school that your child is at, because odds are it's the school and the teachers that are pushing this on their phone away from them.” (24:27)

• Olahan criticizes medical establishment rationales for medical transition, stating they're often platitudinous and driven by ideology.

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5. Media Critique: Coverage and Language Around the Shooter (33:09–44:56)

• Hosts break down national media coverage obscuring the shooter’s motives (e.g., omitting the explicit "kill Donald Trump" message) and focusing on pronoun use for a mass murderer.
• Clay, reacting to ABC News reporting:

  "How do you not say...it was written 'kill President Trump'? If you're watching that, you could think, oh, that must be a diehard Trump supporter..." (40:42)

• Jake Tapper of CNN is called out for pronoun etiquette during news coverage—Buck comments:

  "When you have a killer terrorist and on live television you are worried about using the correct pronoun...it's indefensible.” (41:59)

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6. Culture War Dynamics and Breaking Identity Politics (47:03–48:36)

• They debate how the "rainbow coalition" on the left can be disrupted by honest conversations—specifically encouraging gay people and women to break with trans activism.
• Clay:

  "I think gay people need to say, we're not a part of this group anymore...Our struggle was, hey, we want to be able to have basic human rights...But you don't have to have surgery to try to artificially create yourself if you are gay." (46:12)

• Buck jests about the absurdity of pronoun selection—"You don’t get to pick your adjectives..." (44:56)—and draws comparison to mask mandates as a cautionary tale of "slippery slopes."

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Clay Travis (00:54):

  "It's time for good people...to really significantly stop trying to be kind and be willing to acknowledge that almost everyone who is claiming that they're trans has a severe mental illness."

• Buck Sexton (04:51):

  "The mass murderer of children here pretended he was going to go back to the church... so used the connection that he had as a cover for operational surveillance... Demons live among us. And this person was a demon."

• Mary Margaret Olahan (24:27):

  "Do not fall prey to the anxieties. Don’t trust medical institutions, do some basic research and realize you’re not alone..."

• Clay Travis (09:28):

  "These lies have consequences, because in the brain of broken people, they accept them as truth."

• Buck Sexton (41:59):

  "When you have a killer terrorist and on live television you are worried about using the correct pronoun of a trans terrorist. It's indefensible. It's cowardice."

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Extended Interview: Lt. Gov. Winsome Sears (54:12–63:55)

• Winsome Sears discusses her campaign for governor in Virginia, contrasting her record and platform with opponent Abigail Spanberger’s positions, especially on safety, biological sex in sports, and support for law enforcement.
• Highlights Democratic refusal to engage on issues like girls’ locker room safety:

  "Abigail Spamberger supports that because she voted for men, biological men, in women's sports. She voted for biological men having to be able to undress in locker rooms with our young girls. She voted for all this nonsense, and that's crazy because she's got three girls." (57:44)

• Sears criticizes legacy media for ignoring her campaign, likening their bias to the Jamaican socialist press of her youth.
• Sears concludes with a pro-police, pro-economic-growth agenda pitched as "common sense," asserting her record against what she considers Spanberger’s radicalism.

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Listener Calls: Personal Stories & Emotional Blackmail (65:47–71:30)

• Notable call: Lisa, the parent of a trans-identifying child, detailed the family's experience with the medical, educational, and ideological apparatus, confirming the "emotional blackmail" described by the hosts.

  "It has gotten so radical and I got this whole schmill too...Would you rather have a dead child for a transgender? ...It immediately started changing the personality...and also started changing just health issues overall." (67:30–70:03) "As horrible as this is going to sound...if I thought that something would happen to my son committing suicide and he would still go to heaven, I would be better living with that than knowing that he went out and killed children or anybody for that matter." (70:41)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:05 — Show intro; initial remarks by Clay Travis
• 03:42–07:26 — Buck’s analysis of societal violence and political rhetoric
• 19:02–31:20 — Interview: Mary Margaret Olahan on school safety, gender policy
• 33:09–40:42 — Media coverage breakdown: what the legacy press leaves out
• 41:34–44:56 — CNN segment: Pronouns controversy for mass shooters
• 54:12–63:55 — Interview: Lt. Gov. Winsome Sears, campaign vs. Abigail Spanberger
• 65:47–71:30 — Listener call: Parent “Lisa” shares personal impact of trans ideology

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Conclusion

This episode centers on the dangers of progressive gender ideology, the failures of political and media institutions to address or accurately report on critical incidents, and the emotional cost on families. The hosts advocate for concrete policy shifts, courage in public discourse, and support for those harmed by prevailing "woke" orthodoxies. With unfiltered analysis and personal testimony, the program aims to spark change by encouraging honesty, skepticism of groupthink, and upholding traditional values.

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[All advertisements, promos, and unrelated intro/outro material omitted. Timestamps refer to the original episode.]

Transcript

[Lisa]

This is an iHeart podcast.

[Clay Travis]

Welcome in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us Thursday edition of the program. And we have got a ton to dive into with all of you. Mary Margaret Olahan, who is been with us on before, I think at the rnc, has done really good work looking at Minnesota law as it pertains to the shooting, which we're going to get more into today. The next we hope governor of Virginia win some Sears will be on with us an hour too. And then Trey Gowdy of Fox News and we're going to have to ask him about some of the comments that he has made that went mega viral on FOX News yesterday. He has a book out he was already scheduled to be on. Each of those will be guests respectively in the next three hours. But we begin with all of you and the continued fallout from the awful attack yesterday where a trans terrorist shooter with kill Donald Trump written on the gun 6 million was not enough anti Semitic commentary, evil, true evil that was brought to bear in that attack yesterday. And as more details have come out, I just want to lay this out for you and I would say my statement right off the top is it's time for good people, moms, dads, grandmas, grandpas, all of you out there that cares about kids, to really significantly stop trying to be kind and be willing to acknowledge that almost everyone who is claiming that they're trans has a severe mental illness. And I am. This is a perfect example, I think, of toxic empathy. You're trying to be kind, you're trying to work with the kid in almost all circumstances. That's going to make things worse. And this situation which we just went through in Minneapolis is a horrible echo of what happened in Nashville, Tennessee, back just less than two years ago, I believe. And let me lay this out. You had in both situations a trans shooter who had attended a religious school decide that in the case of Nashville, a girl who was trying to transition to being a boy, in the case of Minneapolis, a boy who was trying to transition to being a girl. Minors who received treatments for their trans delusions decided to go into those schools and try to murder as many young Christian kids as possible. In both situations, they pre stalked their site. They made the decision to try to kill as many people as possible. Buck, as we were just sitting down to start the show, you shared a tweet from Kaitlyn Collins at CNN which says that this killer had been touring the school basically to try to find out the way to kill as many people as possible. It is true evil. And I think the evil, frankly, is being accelerated, is being exacerbated, is being made worse by the fact that these people are on all sorts of drugs, trying to in some way alter the biological reality of their sex.

[Winsome Sears]

And.

[Clay Travis]

And I think it's making, frankly, them more likely to be violent. And I think it's time for reasonable people to stand up against this and say, we have to stop this.

[Buck Sexton]

The mass murderer of children here pretended that he was going to go back to the church or that he was trying to come back into the church as a believer and had a previous affiliation with it. So used the connection that he had had previously as a cover for the operational surveillance that he did of a school with kids in it, a defenseless school with kids in it. Demons live among us. And this person was a demon. And there are so many, unfortunately, different factors that go into this. And our society is making a lot of this stuff worse, making a lot of what I think could be handled earlier on. I mean, look, the biggest one for me is the. The ideology of trans people are able to change their gender. And if you don't believe this, you're a Nazi and you are committing genocide. And this is. There's language like this all over the Internet right now in response to what happened yesterday. That is completely insane.

[Winsome Sears]

It's.

[Buck Sexton]

It is absolutely reckless. It reminds me, Clay, of the first blm, the first BLM series of protests after Ferguson. There were all these marches and rallies that were going on, and I went to some to cover them. At the time I was working at the blaze, I went to cover these rallies. And you could just go, you'd see at the rallies, they were just talking about evil, racist cops killing black men all the time, all the time, day in and day out. And it's a lie. It's horrible. It's disgraceful. And I understand that most people will hear that and just have really bad politics, be really stupid and vote Democrat. But some people do more than that because they see mobs of people chanting the same slogan. And that ended with, I believe it was five officers in Texas all being gunned down by that BLM maniac who was like, look, these cops are killing unarmed black men. I need to step in and do something about this. And he murdered police officers in cold blood. I think it was five of them. Horrific. By the media is completely memory, memory, hold that. You know, when the media says that if you don't want people to have socialized medicine, you're. You're hoping they die from Cancer, by the way, we don't even talk really about health care anymore. The Democrats have just made healthcare worse in every respect in this country. Obamacare is an absolute failure. And in every metric you can look at in terms of price, in terms of access, all it gives you is, is coverage you don't use and an excuse to have you subsidize illegals and other people who are in the country. So put, put, but put that aside for a second. The guy who was shooting at Rand Paul and others and shot Steve Scalise at that baseball diamond was saying, this is for healthcare. Well, you could say, well, oh, you can't blame somebody for, you can't blame an ideology for the, for one person's actions. Well, if the ideology is, you're murdering people en masse because of your policy, if you take it to that extent. And this is what brings me then to Trump. They say that Trump is even Gavin Newsom. We can play this. Gavin Newsom is a, is a shameless, soulless liar, a power mad, narcissistic, vile human being. And he's saying that he doesn't think there's going to be an election in 2028. Now, for most Democrats who hear that, it's just, oh, yeah, I hate Trump. You hate Trump. This is a way of expressing our Trump hatred because he's going to seize power forever. But for some people, they hear this and they go, hold on, the governor of California is saying this, Clay, The New York Times is going along with this kind of rhetoric. You know, CNN is going along. Cnn, last night, they referred to this guy as a she, by the way.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, we just play that audio.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, well, we'll get to that. Look, here's Newsom. I mean, I know that you've already called him out on this cut 20. Is Gavin Newsom saying that there won't be an election in 28? Play it.

[Caller/Guest]

I don't think Donald Trump wants another election. You think for a second you want. I have two dozen Trump 20, 28 hats his folks keep sending me. Who spends $200 million on a ballroom at their home and then leaves the House? This is serious, guys. This is serious.

[Buck Sexton]

So it'll be Newsom Trump in 2018.

[Caller/Guest]

No, no, this is, there's no. This guy doesn't believe in free, fair elections. He could. He tried to wreck this country. Were you there January 6th? I mean, he tried to light democracy on fire. He dialed for 11, almost 12,000 votes. Now he's doing it in plain sight. And people say, oh, just Trump being Trump. People actually think this guy's serious about having another election. You think he's joking about 2028? Wake up, you, or lose your country. Again, it's not about Democrats or it's about all of us.

[Buck Sexton]

You're absolutely Convinced?

[Caller/Guest]

I'm absolutely 2020. You've seen it. He tried to steal the last election. He tried to. He's trying to rig it in plain sight this time.

[Buck Sexton]

You will lose your country, Clay. He's a dictator in the making. You will lose everything you hold dear. He's either a liar, which we all know he is, or he's so crazy that he doesn't understand that people hear this and they take him seriously.

[Clay Travis]

The second would be Trump assassin. Almost no one even talks about assassination 2.0 at the Trump West Palm Beach Golf Course, where the guy laid in wait all day with his gun and Trump was playing golf and he came within a hole. Nobody ever asked, how did that guy know that Trump was going to be playing golf that day? How did he stay in that Bush line for hours, only getting stopped because a woman in the parking lot happened to see him flee and write down his license plate number? Otherwise, we may not even know who that guy is. What did he say was the reason why he was trying to kill Trump? Because he believed Democrat rhetoric that Trump was a dictator, that Trump was Hitler, and he felt like he needed to kill him. Now, that person, I think, has major mental health issues, as many people who engage in acts of mass violence do. But the logic under which he act acted presupposed that what was said was true, that Trump was Hitler. If Trump was, in fact Hitler, then killing him would be justified. Right? That is the process in his mind through which he went, when. When Gavin Newsom is telling you this, he is saying Trump is a dictator and people out there who believe him. And I just tweeted, hey, Gavin Newsom, I'll bet you $10 million that we have an election in 2028. Put your money where your mouth is. And if he bets me, I'll donate the $10 million I win to charity. But these lies have consequences, because in the brain of broken people, they accept them as truth. I don't think Gavin Newsom actually believes what he's saying. He's saying it because he thinks he gets political advantage from it, because the base of the left and the Democrat Party is so broken. But there are consequences when you tell crazy people crazy things.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, there are a lot of crazy Democrats. I've also said before that I think if you Looked at male testosterone levels, you would have a very good indicator of whether someone votes Republican or Democrat. I also think if you looked at emotional and psychological stability, you'd have a very good. The Republican Party is the party of psychological stability in America today. Just a fact. And if you look at self described happiness and health and, and, you know, use of different psychiatric medications and stuff, the Democrats have a lock on all that stuff. I mean, the Democrats are the party of the emotionally and psychologically unstable. And when you have people at the very top of that party saying things like what Gavin Newsom was just saying there, Clay, or when you have people at the very top of that party who. So this is the thing. It's not in the, in the crevices of the dark web. It's not in the places on the Internet where most of us never venture or go. This is from the top. This is the difference. You know, they love to do this thing on the right. They'll find some person who's just like a psycho loser that no one's ever heard of before, who has some vaguely right wing views or has some, some racist views and it's immediately Donald Trump's fault. And you'll say, well, hold on a second. What does this actually have to do with Trump? He's ignoring what Trump actually says. He's ignoring the reality of who Trump puts in positions of power. I mean, you have this whole. Meanwhile, the Democrats say things that if what they say explicitly is true, the crazy, just the crazy actions of some of these individuals seems in their minds entirely justified. The end of the republic, the genocide of trans people. This is widespread rhetoric that they use. So, and from the top of the party, from the most powerful voices, the most trusted voices among their own ideological kind, and then really bad things happen. This is supposed to be a surprise. It's going to keep happening.

[Clay Travis]

I would just say hold us to the same standard as Gavin Newsom. You and I have been here together for over four years now. What crazy thing have we said the equivalent of there's not going to be an election in 2028? I mean, we've gotten things wrong. We're not perfect, but we haven't. I don't even think we've said anything. Even in the, in the same state, in the same country as there's not going to be an election in 2028 because Trump is going to be a dictator.

[Buck Sexton]

You and I are very explicit when we're angry about things, and I get very angry about some things on the show. Sometimes you do Too. I think you get less. You get angry less often than I do about this stuff. But, you know, this is just. You have a sunny disposition. But when we're really. When something is. You're really passionate, but you're really angry about it. I'll say things like, for example, somebody like. Like took shot at the CDC recently. This person's an absolute moron who should be imprisoned for the. To the fullest extent of the law. And that is something that he has done. If you were to go and look at what do people like me and you and others say about the cdc? We're saying they need to replace some of the senior leadership there with people who are more science based. I'm not saying that the CDC or about to round us up in camps and experiment on us like animals and like kill us all. Like, I'm not saying crazy stuff. You're not saying crazy stuff. We're saying working within the system, the rule of law and morality and ethics, how do we address these problems? But that's not what. When you're saying that people are committing genocide because they have to pretend that a guy with a penis is a woman, you're actually not working within the realm of reality, ethics and rule of law.

[Winsome Sears]

And.

[Buck Sexton]

And the Democrats do this on a whole range of issues over and over.

[Clay Travis]

They are manufacturing delusions and emotionally creating empathy, which actually is toxic for many of the people the empathy is being created for. I spent I. Again, I just think it's time for parents out there to recognize that what you are being told, you need to do for the betterment of your kid, which is why this emotional blackmail is so effective. Your kid's going to kill themselves unless you listen to us and chop their boobs off or decide that you're gonna give them bottom surgery or whatever the heck it is. It's emotional blackmail on parents. And it makes me sick, honestly.

[Buck Sexton]

I know we have to go to break Clay. I just want to say this stuff.

[Clay Travis]

You know, we had.

[Buck Sexton]

We had Dave Rutherford on yesterday, and he's an incredible guy. He's a dear friend of mine and he's a true. I mean, he's. He's. He was in this. You know, when you think of combat. Rutherford saw combat, you know, and he was a medic and he had to deal with all this stuff. Imagine. Imagine if veterans came back and they had severe ptsd and we said, no, no, no, no, no. You know, you should just drink yourself into a. You should just drink yourself into a coma. You should blame yourself for everything. You shouldn't seek help at all. The psychological trauma that you're suffering from. This is actually something that, you know should in some way be celebrated or encouraged. That would it's completely insane. It's destructive. It would be like telling somebody, hey, you have pneumonia, you know, just roll with it. Don't take antibiotics. Getting people help when they need help is the honorable, ethical thing to do. Amen.

[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in play Travis BUCK SEXTON SHOW I want to give credit right now to Mary Margaret Olahan, who also wrote a book, by the way, D trans. I believe we had her on the show to partly talk about this, True Stories of Escaping the Gender Ideology Cult Holt. And she has a story up right now which I was reading last night, shared it on Twitter. I'm sure we'll link it at Clay and Buck as well. Minnesota Catholic school leader warned Tim Walls of critical school safety threats in the wake of the Nashville school shooting. He did nothing. Mary Margaret, appreciate you coming on with us. Obviously we've been talking a great deal about what happened in Minneapolis and now the tragic connection to what happened in the Covenant School shooting in Nashville. What does your reporting tell you about what Governor Tim Walz did in the wake of the Nashville shooting?

[Mary Margaret Olahan]

Hey guys, it's great to be here. I'm actually outside the White House right now before I go in for the press briefing in a few minutes. But yeah, I wanted to talk about this report. We did because we found that these leaders of Catholic and independent schools in Minnesota, they sent a letter to Tim Walsh one week after the Covenant Christian school shooting where a trans identifying shooter killed kids at Covenant Christian School in Nashville. One week after that they sent a letter to Tim Waltz saying, look, we have a very serious security concern here. We have seen a number of shootings targeting kids, especially kids of faith and we need to up our security for non public schools so private, Catholic, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, you name it. And they expressed these concerns to Tim Waltz and asked for his help. They had meetings with him, they talked about it. He supposedly expressed a desire to protect these types of kids too. But ultimately nothing was done. And I confirmed that when I talked to some of these leaders yesterday, the ones that sent the letter, they told me that ultimately nothing was done. And now yesterday we see that another trans identifying shooter targeted kids at a Catholic school because they were Catholic. And so here we are again. And you know, this is something that I'm definitely interested in asking about in the briefing shortly because we have multiple shootings involving a trans identifying shooter targeting Christian kids. We have Tim Wolf, the governor of Minnesota being asked to help protect kids in schools exactly like this and nothing was done.

[Buck Sexton]

Was there any reason Mary Margaret offered? I mean, so you've laid out for us that there was this ask, there was this exchanged. Obviously we know why the leaders of these Catholic schools would want this. You know, I'm down here in South Florida, for example, and the security of synagogues and Jewish sites of interest here is the whole community knows that they have to take that incredibly seriously. And that is taken seriously by the authorities as well. Why wouldn't they get the help? Was there any. Was it just a budgetary issue? Tim Walls fell asleep on the job here. What happened?

[Mary Margaret Olahan]

Well, that is a great question. And I actually asked Tim Walz's team myself this yesterday because it seems kind of like a no brainer after a shooter targets Christian students, you want to make sure that the Christian students in your state are protected. And when I asked Tim Waltz's team, what steps did you guys take to protect kids, they gave me an evasive answer and didn't even address that actual question. They tried to pretend that they were hung up on questions of fund and said that they do fund private schools, when in fact I had asked, did you guys fund these safety measures for private schools? So this is an evasive technique on the part of Tim Walsh's team. And what I can tell you, and this is even crazier, is in the same year that Tim Walsh was being asked to protect these Catholic and Christian schools and he didn't do it, he did provide more protections for trans identifying people in the state and he signed legislation establishing Minnesota as a, quote, trans refuge and promise to protect those seeking gender affirming care, which we know is actually just a euphemism for transgender surgeries, hormones and puberty blockers. So while he wasn't helping, he was actually pushing this trans agenda, which we now know has hurt so many young people. We talked about this when I came out and talked about my book last summer. It's hurting so many young people. It's pushing them down this path that's an ideological one. And we even have like Trump's FTC investigating these doctors and therapists who are pushing the on kids because it's all a lie. So this is just a massive scandal of like massive, massive levels. And you know, we're seeing more and more Democrats shying away from the issue as they realize that it's being unmasked. But in this case, Tim Waltz was a huge proponent of this ideology. And I think you should have to answer for that.

[Clay Travis]

I was talking about this with Buck off air, Mary Margaret. Yesterday we went hard, frankly at the idea that we're giving all these kids these drugs. And now we've had the shooting in Nashville, we've had the shooting in Minneapolis. Minneapolis. All of the evidence continues to come out that this is very Much toxic empathy that parents are being taken advantage of. I saw very little pushback. Now we'll play some of the cuts of people trying to make that argument, but I'm talking about on social media. You wrote this book about it. I'm sure you got attacked then. But it feels like reasonable moms and dads, grandmas and grandpas are starting to have their, their minds opened up here that they've been taken advantage of in terms of trying to treat this as if it is a real medical condition. What would you tell moms and dads out there listening all over the country to us right now if their 12 year old or their 13 year old comes to them and says, hey, I'm a different sex? What does the data show and what is the appropriate in your mind way to handle this if you're a parent? I know it's a big and a difficult question, but I think a lot of parents are thinking about it in the wake of this shooting and as we've continued to see so many more people coming out and trying to detrans after having these surgeries.

[Mary Margaret Olahan]

Yeah, it absolutely is probably one of the scariest questions that a parent can face in this day and age. Not only because of the magnanimity of what we're dealing with, coming up against the gender ideology, you know, cults, the institution, the, this massive group of people that are pushing this, but also because a lot of these parents, if they take their kids to the doctor, are going to be told that their kid is transgender. They'll be asked, would you rather have a dead daughter or a living son or vice versa. And this is a question posed to parents pretty much across the board. Every detransitioner that I've spoke with has told me their parents were given this ultimatum. We don't know this for sure yet, but it's possible that this trans identifying shooter that killed kids at Annunciation Church yesterday, it's possible that his mother faced the same question and conundrum and they don't know what to do about it. And so my advice would be do your research. When your child comes to you and says, hey mom, if your little girl comes to you and says hey mom, I'm a boy, don't fall prey to the anxieties. Don't trust medical institution, do some basic research and realize you're not alone. There's many, many other kids that have come up against this ideology due to social media, activist teachers, activist therapists and doctors. Find community, get your kid out of the school, that your child is at, because odds are it's the school and the teachers that are pushing this on their phone away from them. That is the biggest, biggest danger that kids these days are facing.

[Winsome Sears]

Take their phone away from them.

[Mary Margaret Olahan]

No laptops upstairs. These are some of the biggest dangers that our kids are facing these days. And a lot of parents think that it's just mean or, you know, makes their child feel stupid to not have that technology. Your child will benefit enormously from not having access to transgender ideology online, I promise you. So there's so many steps that can be taken. There's so many organizations that can help parents. Defending education. It's one organization that is really vociferous on this issue. Do no harm. They're really great. They partner with tons of detransitioners, and then the detransitioners themselves. Chloe Cole, Parisha Mosley. All of these young women will speak out against the dangers of this ideology. And frankly, their stories are the reason I wrote my book, because their stories are more powerful than pretty much any argument that you or I could present, because they lived it. They know how dangerous and horrible it is. They suffered through it, and now they live to tell the tale, thank God. So I consider their stories to be some of the most powerful, and I would definitely refer parents and anyone, any young person that's questioning their gender to go and listen to these stories and understand the gravity of what they're talking about.

[Buck Sexton]

Talking to Mary Margaret Olahan, Daily Wires White House correspondent, and Mary Margaret, in your. In your research on this issue, as we just mentioned, you've written a book on this, and you've been following this very closely. We had a caller yesterday who raised a very good point. Client. I have talked about it before, but the caller gave us an important reminder of it. What is the. When I'm sure you've come up against this, and if you look at these clinics and the doctors that are doing these things, if the plumbing does not determine the gender, so to speak, what is the justification for these surgeries that imperfectly, to put it mildly, change the plumbing? Like, what is the rationale behind that? Right, because they'll say it doesn't matter what the parts are. It's what you feel. That's gender. But then why do we have this whole process of putting pharmaceuticals and puberty blockers and all these things and then even surgery to change the plumbing, so to speak, if it doesn't make a difference to gender?

[Mary Margaret Olahan]

Well, you would have to ask some of these doctors and therapists that, because they're the ones that. With very, very, very little.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, no, I get that, Mary Margaret. I'm just asking you, have you ever heard any of them try to explain or give any rationale for that? Because I do think it's a very important and powerful point.

[Mary Margaret Olahan]

What they try and do to rationalize it is to just give you these platitudes, these ideological sayings. They'll try and tell you that, like, you don't understand because you're not well versed in this ideology.

[Winsome Sears]

But you're right.

[Mary Margaret Olahan]

At the end of the day, it's one of those things where I think Donald Trump Jr. Does a really good job talking about this. He'll just say, this is crazy, or WTF is going on? And that's kind of the real response that everybody should be giving to it, because it's as simple and basic as that. And actually, it's one of the reasons that Donald Trump won the last election is because he kind of gave voice to that sentiment as he was campaigning and saying, this is just crazy. You all know this is crazy. We shouldn't have to put up with this anymore. We need to protect our kids. And that campaign messaging really landed him in the White House. We saw the polls that showed that it did. It was some of his biggest campaign ads just showing people what Kamala Harris was saying about transgenderism and, you know, helping illegal aliens in prison get sex changes. Like this type of rhetoric is. It's insane and most people don't agree with it. So I think that, you know, we need to believe our, we need to believe what we're seeing and we need to give voice to that. And the Trumps, frankly, have been doing a really good job of messaging on that. So they've been very effective. And now Trump is president, he's been enacting a lot of different executive orders, fighting back on this ideology. So I'm really interested in seeing what comes next because, you know, one, one big question I have for Caroline Levitt at this upcoming briefing is, look, we've seen numerous trans identifying shooters targeting Christian kids. Is the FBI going to start investigating this fear of trans identifying shooters targeting Christian kids? Is there going to be a trans terrorism category? What are we going to see in this area? Because it's time to stop pretending like this isn't a pattern. And frankly, during the Biden administration, when the Covenant Christian shooter targeted kids in Nashville, what we saw there was the FBI hiding the manifesto. They wouldn't release it. They didn't want to tell everyone that this shooter was trans. And hated Jews and hated Christians and was a deeply troubled mentally ill figure. And we had to actually rely on media outlets like Daily Wire to show people what was actually going on. So I'm hoping for more transparency here for heavier investigations and more.

[Buck Sexton]

We appreciate that you have been on this story and others like the Covenant School shooting story. And I just would remind everybody all of the rationales for they can't share the Covenant shooting manifesto were either just guesses or lies, depending on who you're talking about. Because there was no reason they couldn't have shared that manifesto. It was pure suppression, pure politics. Mary Margaret Olahan of the Daily Wire. I know you got to go run in and do a whole West Wing briefing thing here, so good luck to you on that and please come back and talk to us again soon.

[Mary Margaret Olahan]

Thanks so much for having me, guys.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Buck Sexton]

Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. Appreciate you all being with us. We have some follow up on yesterday's horrific shooting to bring to you.

[Clay Travis]

We just want to make sure we're.

[Buck Sexton]

Following the story closely, give you all the details. And also, yes, of course, this becomes an issue of politics because the Democrats have rushed to blame gun control, have rushed to mock prayer, and of course, to make sure that nobody thinks this has anything to do with a trans derangement syndrome situation. That, that they're very clear on that one. And I wanted to spend some time on what is true here and what is really going on with all of this. But I would first say, Clay, fortunately, my assessment that the news we were hearing out of the hospitals was indicative of most, if not all of the. There were, I believe, adults and children admitted for wound from the mass shooting. And there has been confirmation that they all made it. So that that is a blessing. And I would note a lot of you were praying. I know you. We were praying here on this show while we were waiting for more news of four who were in critical condition. Those are the ones we were, of course, most concerned about and the others who were stable, but they're all going home to their families. That has been confirmed. You know, we did lose, we did lose two children to the horrific terror attack, trans terror attack in Minneapolis. But we also have to take the good news where it comes and how we can. And the good news is that those who are admitted to the hospital with wounds all made it. And, you know, their families are clearly overjoyed at that news. Despite all the tragedy and the horror of what happened, there can be some light in the darkness. So I wanted to note that because we were discussing that and, and that was an important update that you should all know. Also, there are stories of the bravery and the love for one another from these students, from some of these teachers. Here is a, a fifth grader who says that his friend saved him from this shooter play cup one.

[Child Witness]

It was like right beside me. I was like two seats away from the stained glass windows. So they were like, the shots were like right next to me. Yeah.

[Caller/Guest]

You went under the pew after that happened.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, that's what everyone tried to do.

[Child Witness]

I think I got like gunpowder on my neck? Yeah.

[Mary Margaret Olahan]

When you heard the shots, what went through your head?

[Child Witness]

I was like. The first one, I was like, what is that? I thought it was just something. Then I heard it again. I just ran under the pew, and then I covered my head. My friend Victor, like, saved me, though, because he laid on top of me, but he got hit.

[Buck Sexton]

Your friend laid on top of you?

[Child Witness]

Yeah, and he got hit.

[Caller/Guest]

Is this something that you've practiced before?

[Child Witness]

Yeah, we. We practice it, like every month or. I don't know, but yeah, we're. We've never practiced it in the. In the church, though.

[Buck Sexton]

His friend Clay covered him with his own body during the shooting.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, look there. This is what I like to do when awful things happen. I like to talk about the people who did the right thing and who were brave and who were courageous and who made the choice to do everything. That is what you would hope would happen. There's always people who run towards the sound of gunfire and do whatever they can to protect innocent people. And I think their stories oftentimes get lost because we focus too much on the killer. Meaning one of the reasons I try to avoid. Sometimes people don't like it. Somebody sent an email like, why don't you been named the killer? As often as. Because the data reflects that a lot of people in their sick minds are doing this to try to be famous. That's what the Columbine guys did. They basically have created an entire copycat arena of school shooters who all want to be famous. They want their names to echo in infamy. And I would rather tell the story as these kids stories come out. I would rather share stories of bravery and courage and, yes, sometimes mournful losses of the victims than give the person who is, frankly, I think, evil and certainly motivated by a desire to have their evil acts not only create infamy for themselves, but motivate others to engage in acts of evil. And so I think for all people of good conscience, it's important to shine a bright light on positivity, good courage overcoming evil, as it does every single day. So within that context, I do think it's important to examine why this is happening. What has occurred that in Nashville, Tennessee, my hometown, a trans person would take a gun in and try to kill innocent kids at a school that she attended. And at a trans man would take a gun into the school that he attended and try to kill Christians. And I want to play a couple of these cuts, Buck, because I think they're important. You all out there listening to us right now. Are quite well informed on this story. But I always think it's important for you to think about what would you know if you were just not listening to this show and maybe you're not on social media and you're not following people like Mary Margaret Olahan, who we just talked with. You're not following Buck, you're not following me. You are just kind of out there in legacy media land. What would you hear? I want to play a couple of these cuts. This is ABC News. ABC News just had to pay $16 million to settle a lawsuit with President Trump over Stephanopoulos calling him a rapist inaccurately on television multiple times during an interview with Nancy Mace. This is to me not an error. This is, I want to get this guy's name. Aaron Katersky reporting about the Minnesota shooter. Now remember, the Minnesota shooter wrote on his gun, kill President Trump. Kill President Trump. He is the furthest thing from a Trump supporter you could be. Imagine you didn't know that. You hadn't seen that photo. You didn't have this information. This is what ABC News viewers heard last night and there are millions of them in the report about this shooting.

[Aaron Katersky]

Listen, 23 year old Robin Westman was able to leave what police called a video manifesto that they're now going through to try and establish motive. We've also been going through it and can tell you there are crude diagrams of the church. There are also photos of the weapons. And, and they include all sorts of writings. The names of past mass shooters, criticism of Israel, the name of President Trump written on the guns. There are also racial slurs, nihilistic statements, all painting the picture of a disturbed individual who carried out this mass shooting on the first week of school at the Annunciation Church in Minneapolis.

[Clay Travis]

Okay. How do you not say, if your goal is to inform the public about the facts of a case, how do you leave out that it was written kill President Trump? It had President Trump's name on the gun. Well, if you're watching that, you could think, oh, that must be a diehard Trump supporter. Oh, this is one of those crazy Trump supporters. He took a gun to a school and he shot up the place. I do think that this is incredibly important. And also, Buck, I wanted to play this and I know the news reports are using the person's name. This is not us. But, but in order to play this audio, I think it's important for you to hear what they're saying. Jake Tapper on cnn. They are continuing to be concerned about using the right pronoun for a terrorist killer. This is what you would have heard if you were watching CNN yesterday during their coverage. Cut five the Minneapolis Star Tribune.

[Buck Sexton]

Just as another piece of the puzzle as to who the shooter was. Minneapolis Start Tribune says according to court records, because there's been some confusion about what the shooter's name was.

[Clay Travis]

Yes, Robin Westman's mother applied to change.

[Buck Sexton]

Her child's name in 2019.

[Clay Travis]

It was at one point Robert Paul Westman.

[Buck Sexton]

Correct. But since she identifies as a female and wants her name to reflect that identification was underage, it's now Robin Westman.

[Clay Travis]

I mean, this is a mass delusion. When you have a killer terrorist and on live television you are worried about using the correct pronoun of a trans terrorist. It's indefensible.

[Buck Sexton]

It's indefensible. It's cowardice. It's Tapper. I'm not surprised. This is, he's always maneuvering within the, the corporate layers at CNN because it's not the audience that he works for, it's the bosses writing the checks that he tries to cater to. And with that in mind, you have to remember that some of these media institutions, certainly at cnn, there are people who are keeping score on pronoun usage. Maybe they're doing it quietly Clay, but they tend to work in hr, other places in the building as well. And they will remember if you use the wrong pronoun, even for a child murdering psychopath like this guy was, they will remember that you don't bend the knee and they will try to exact revenge retribution on you career wise later on. I still see people. I just got an email a few days ago from somebody about an unrelated matter to media, but a professional, you know, an email of somebody. I was going to be work, doing work for me with pronouns in this, in the signature.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

Why, why do you. I want to ask this person. I mean, I'll be honest, I want to ask why. Why do you have pronouns in your, in your email signature? Do you think? I don't know. You're clearly a woman. Why are you telling me that you're a woman in your email signature? Like I'm, I'm no longer just passive about this. It's a bit like the mask thing. By the way, I know you're going to say buck, that's a crazy turn. It's really not with COVID Initially it was just, just do it because, because it'll do something. It'll make people feel better. And then we said, all right, I mean, I guess like some places maybe I'LL put this on so you don't freak out. And then it was, you better do it or else I'll lock you up, you better do this or else I'll ban you from public access to bars and restaurants and everything else to do buildings where you work. As the same thing with the pronoun thing. It starts out as, oh, it's just a courtesy. And then once they get a critical mass, it's do this or you lose your job. So don't ever forget, the slippery slope is real. Slippery slope is almost undefeated. And the slippery slope with this trans madness stuff is absolutely real and established. And finally it has started to move in the other direction where, yeah, you know, I'm sick of saying it too, of course, you true trans people with kindness, you just treat them like human beings because they are human beings. But you know, Clay, if I walked around telling everybody, you have to call me Emperor Lord of the Universe Sexton, I'm sorry, people don't have to do that. That doesn't make them a bad person because I'm not Emperor Lord of the Universe Sexton. And just because somebody wants to demand something from you, it doesn't mean they can say because of courtesy, you have to go along with it. Nevermind. As Trump says, the seven foot guys were like, I want to play women's basketball now. No, no.

[Clay Travis]

Why? You don't get to, why should you get to pick your pronouns any more than you get to pick your adjectives? Let me tell you something may stun some of you people call me some pretty tough things on social media. Some people are even, maybe even a little bit mean. I don't get to say, hey, sorry, my preferred adjectives are handsome, brilliant. Like I don't get to tell you how you define me.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, right? What if somebody, Clay, what if you were sitting down with an interview and we'll take this in the sports world for a second, you sat down with somebody who is, you know, an NFL player and he's like, I would prefer that you refer to me as Heisman Trophy winner. So and so.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

And you look at him and you go, but you didn't win a Heisman Trophy.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

Are you being discourteous or are you just not living in a delusion?

[Clay Travis]

I, I, I think again, reasonable people have to stand up and say, we're not going to play this game anymore. And even beyond that, how do the.

[Buck Sexton]

Democrats back out of this, by the way?

[Clay Travis]

How does the left?

[Buck Sexton]

Because I think they're stuck. I think this is the problem. They've run into. They. They're just waiting until they have enough power again to ram it all down our throats again. That's the game. The game is not to actually retreat.

[Clay Travis]

I'll give you my answer. I think gay people need to say, we're not a part of this group anymore. And I know we got a lot of gay people out there listening to us right now. And I know some of you have felt this for some time. There is a pretty big difference between saying, hey, I'm attracted to the same sex, and, hey, I am a different gender than what all of us know to be true. I'll even say back in the day, back in that we had people transvestite, right? Like, you dressed up potentially as someone you weren't. You didn't claim. You didn't claim that you were actually that. And I think a lot of gay people, frankly, are looking around and saying, like, hey, you know, I'm fine with the L's, the G's, the B's. This whole.

[Buck Sexton]

This is the Dave Chappelle sketch where he got a lot of. A lot of grief from the left.

[Clay Travis]

But I think that, to answer your question, I think that gay people have to start saying, hey, this is not really our struggle. Our struggle was, hey, we want to be able to have basic human rights. We want to be able to live as. As we believe we should be able to live. But you don't have to have surgery to try to artificially create yourself if you are gay. And I think a lot of gay people just need to say, there's a difference here. This whole identity politics has created, pardon the pun, a lot of very strange bedfellows, Right? A lot of black people out there are actually very conservative and go to church all the time. And they're looking around and they're like, this trans thing is crazy. I don't think dudes should be able to win women's championships. Why am I in the same party as them? I think identity politics has to explode. And all the individuals have to make rational decisions, regardless of your race and your gender or your ethnicity. And you have to be willing to speak truth. And a man is not a woman, and a woman is not a man. And if they can get you to lie about that, they can get you to lie about anything. And they took advantage of kindness, particularly of women. I'm sorry. Women are kinder in general than men. Notice men. There is no Dylan Mulvaney. There's no man. There's no woman who used to be a man. That Men are like, this is the man of the year. We just don't do it. Women got taken advantage of. I think women and gay people need to say, this is not right. We're done with it. That's my answer.

[Buck Sexton]

So gold has been valuable for a long time. Think about history. Think about what. What is the most basic unit of money for thousands of years that people will consider, well, gold. Gold has always been valuable. You have gold coins, people will trade those for stuff because gold is good and valuable. Now look at the last 10 years. 10 years. I just put this into an AI, into AI to give me a sense of what the numbers are. Gold has had about 188% return over the last 10 years. That's pretty good, isn't it? In fact, over just the last year, gold has gone up about 40%. So this is pretty straightforward, my friends. The thesis here is gold is valuable. Gold over time increases in value. And you should have some gold as part of your portfolio. Now I understand Trump's doing amazing things with the economy. It's very easy to kind of rest on Trump's laurels here and say, well, we're gonna look at the trade deals and look at all these things. Yeah, that's great. Trump's only got a few years in office and I'm trying to get you prepared for your finances and your future for 10, 15, 20 years from now. And gold as a part of that plan just makes sense. A part of the plan. It's not the whole plan. It's a part of the plan. It's a way to balance your portfolio and to protect some of your savings. I'm a gold holder and I have been for over a decade. I recommend you call my friends at the Birch Gold Group. You reach out to them because they are the best at getting you real physical gold at home. They've sent it right to my home. I've had this done. So easy. And they want to have long term gold buyers who believe in the thesis. They want long term gold clients and it's so easy to get started with them. Text my name. Buck to 9898 98. Birchgold will send you a free info kit on gold. Text my name. B U C K. Text buck to 989898 and birch gold to send you that free info kit on gold. And just remember, they can also easily convert an existing IRA or 401k into a tax sheltered IRA and physical gold. Maybe you have an old job, you got 15, 20, $50,000 in that IRA or that 401k rather they can transition that into gold for you and then you're just watching as gold increases in value over time. Text my name Buck to 989-898 today.

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[Buck Sexton]

Clay, have you heard of the Rio Reset?

[Clay Travis]

Sounds like a trendy new workout, Buck.

[Buck Sexton]

It does, but it's actually a big summit going on in Brazil. The formal name is Bricks, which stands for Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa. But they've just added five new members.

[Clay Travis]

Smart move to stick with brics. We know what happens when acronyms don't end. They confuse everyone.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, that's an understatement. BRICS is a group of emerging economies hoping to increase their sway in the global financial order.

[Clay Travis]

Now that sounds like the plotline of a movie. I'm listening.

[Buck Sexton]

Philip Patrick is our Bruce Wayne. He's a precious metals specialist and a spokesman for the Birch Gold Group. He's on the ground in Rio getting the whole lowdown on what's going on there.

[Clay Travis]

Can he give us some inside intel?

[Buck Sexton]

Absolutely. He's been there since day one. In fact, a major theme at the summit is how BRICS nations aim to reduce reliance on the US dollar in global trade.

[Clay Travis]

Yikes. That doesn't sound good. We gotta get Philip on the line, Stat.

[Buck Sexton]

Already did, and he left The Clay and Buck audience this message. The world is moving on from the dollar quietly but steadily. These nations are making real progress towards reshaping global trade. And the US Dollar is no longer the centerpiece. That shift doesn't happen overnight, but make no mistake, it's already begun. Thank you, Philip. Protect the value of your Savings account, your 401k, your IRA, all of them, by purchasing gold and placing it into those accounts and reducing your exposure to a declining dollar value. Text my name Buck to 98. 98. 98. You get the free information you'll need to make the right decision. You can rely on Birch Gold Group, as I do, to give you the information you need to make an informed decision. One more time, text my name Buck to 98. 98. 98. Welcome back in, everybody, to Clay and Buck. We are joined now by Lieutenant Governor Winsome Earl Sears, the first woman elected governor, first black woman and female veteran to hold statewide office office in Virginia. A fantastic patriot who is doing wonderful things in the great state of Virginia, which is a place I've spent a tremendous amount of time actually over the years. Lieutenant Governor, appreciate you being with us.

[Winsome Sears]

Well, hello and thank you for having me. Now, I do have to correct you on one thing. I'm not yet the first female governor. I'm the first female lieutenant governor. That's a good thing, too.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, sorry. Well, yes, well. But you're going to be the first female governor, right? Tell us about it.

[Winsome Sears]

Well, there. That is. Yes.

[Mary Margaret Olahan]

And it's.

[Winsome Sears]

Why? Because we have the common sense ideas. What do I mean? Well, good question. Who asked that? I think I just did. Well, it's because, again, we have been able to present an economy to the people of Virginia and they love it. They love that we've created so many jobs, you know, 276,000 people working that weren't before we came into office. We also have over 250,000 job openings. And then we've created, on top of that, 15,000 plus new business startups never existed. How can you do that? Because you get rid of barriers, you get rid of regulations and you become people who want Virginia to succeed. So my opponent says now she's running on our successes weight. You're a Democrat running on the successes that we created. You're not going to keep them if you win, which she won't. But if she were to win, she would dismantle and destroy everything that we've created. So she's got the problem, not me. We've been doing the work. Abigail, where have you Been, we're talking.

[Clay Travis]

To Winsome Sears, Lieutenant Governor of Virginia, who hopes and should be the next governor. I saw some of these, some of these statements from Abigail Spanberger, who is the Democrat nominee on men and women's sports. And she dodged the question like she was Neo in the Matrix. I mean, she is doing everything she can do to avoid saying what is very easy for everybody, 90 plus percent, I think, of actual sports fans, even two thirds of Democrats. Hey, men have no business in women's sports. I saw your ad. I loved it. You're. You're nailing her on this. But isn't it about just how out of touch she is with Virginia that she can't speak the truth on this?

[Winsome Sears]

Well, everything about her is out of touch, and none of it makes any sense. You know, here are the parents wanting to raise their boys to respect women, to honor women. And then we have, for example, the Loudoun County School board who have disciplined the two young men because they are uncomfortable being forced to undress in front of a female. And for that, they are now labeled sexual in their school records, sexual harassers. But this is what their parents have been raising them to be, to respect women. So you have now school boards who are against parents. And Abigail Spamberger supports that because she voted for men, biological men, in women's sports. She voted for biological men having to be able to undress in locker rooms with our young girls. She voted for all this nonsense, and that's crazy because she's got three girls. Is that what you want for your girl children? Parents don't want that. I wouldn't want that. She needs to come forward and defend, defend her votes. She voted that way. Virginia doesn't want that. And that's why I'm asking Virginia for your vote this coming November so we can continue with common sense and not policies that tear us away from our children.

[Clay Travis]

Lt. Governor Winsome Sears with us right now. This story just broke on Outkick, and it goes directly into the state of Virginia. And I'm betting that Abigail Spanberger is going to be dodging it. In addition to Roanoke women swimmers and Loudoun county, as you mentioned, in 2022, Virginia Tech female swimmers protested. Leah Thomas, who was a man pretending to be a woman swimming for the University of Pennsylvania women's swim team, they reached out to espn, begged for ESPN to tell the story of their protest. ESPN refused to cover it. So it's not just Abigail Spanberger. It's also there have been a lot of legacy media outlets that have refused to speak truth here. And now they're trying to run cover for your opponent. I think this is really significant. I know it matters a great deal to our audience. But how protected is the legacy media trying to keep your opponent so she doesn't have to answer questions about her failures on this issue?

[Winsome Sears]

Also, they started a long time ago by not even asking any questions of me. They would just pretend I didn't exist. I mean, I would walk by them and they would not say a word. They would have microphones in everybody else's face, and it was as if I didn't exist. I mean, I have been the headliner, the keynote speaker at events. You know, I'm a United States Marine Corps veteran, and I would be at Veterans affairs honoring veterans events. And they would not even say that I was there, even though I was the keynote speaker. Never even said I was in the audience, never even put my picture in, but always talked about everybody else around me. So they've been dismissing me for some time now because they saw me coming and they knew that she would be in trouble. Abigail Spamberger, and they want her to win. You know, here's the problem with that. I grew up partly in Jamaica, which at the time was suffering from socialist policies. And the media put their finger on the scale for other people who eventually ended up destroying what little economy we had. Because socialism, you know, you can't ever do it right and put Jamaica's economy in a tailspin. And I can't believe that that's the same thing I'm seeing here. But we're going to win because, you know, you can't hold righteousness down. And when you're on the right side of an issue where common sense is common sense, and where I even have now Democrats who are coming up to me and saying, I'm a Democrat, but I'm going to vote on for you because I don't want my girl children having to undress in front of full frontal noodle boys. I mean, think about. We're creating sexual trauma. Sexual trauma. Do we not have enough trauma in the world?

[Buck Sexton]

No, it's no. Lieutenant Governor Sears, I want to ask if you do become the governor, and we were obviously rooting for you, pushing for you, and hopeful that this is going to happen. Virginia is such a great state, the northern part of your state. Some of the politics, they're not my favorite. I'm just saying the right way. You get in the. The edge of D.C. you got some people that, well, you need to reach out to them and convince them of the error of, you know, Arlington's ways. But Virginia, otherwise a fantastic and wonderful state, actually have family that was from Virginia and still lives there. I want to know what you're going to do if you become the governor. What will you continue on from the very successful tenure of Governor Youngkin and what would be some of the things that the great residents of the commonwealth would be able to look forward to.

[Winsome Sears]

So one of the things I'm going to do, unlike my opponent, is I'm going to continue to keep Virginia safe. I'm going to support our law enforcement department of corrections personnel. We're not going to get rid of their qualified immunity. We're not going to defund them. You know who will? My opponent, Abigail Spamberger, because she has said and she has taken money from, wait for it, the defund the police pack you can't take. She's taken thousands from them. So, you know, it's not like we don't know what she's going to do. So we need our police, right? We need everybody there. Because I can't even talk about safety and security. I can't talk about jobs being created, taxes being low if we're not safe and secure, right? So that's the first thing I'm going to do. And you probably saw yesterday where she came out and said she was one of the first things, first things that she was going to do is precisely get rid of our safety and security because she's going to stop all these ICE detainers where we have now found 4,000 criminal illegal aliens in Virginia, including the number three top head of Ms. 13. And they are in various states of incarceration and deportation. She's going to stop that. I mean, who is this woman? Where did we get her from? Well, she can't be governor. The next thing people want is that they want their taxes back in their pockets. And we've restored what, $9 billion back into the pockets of Virginia's taxpayers. We have run a $10 billion surplus for each of the, for the entire time that we've been in office. And we're going to keep creating jobs, we're going to keep getting rid of regulations, we're going to have the energy that they need. We're going to have shovel ready sites. We're going to keep their inventories and their employees safe. Jobs will flood in and well, you will see we will continue our great economic successes whereas my opponent is going to tax them to death. She's going to put regulations back on them and she's going to force every single employee, even if they don't want to, to join a union. That, for me is an issue of liberty. So people know what they're going to get. With me, it's all common sense. Money in your pocket, jobs and safety. There you go. She doesn't know how to do this. She was never there when we were creating any of this good stuff. She was in congress taking stupid votes against us. And now she's trying to backtrack, but she's not even back. She's like Punctawney Phil. We haven't seen her in a while. Where have you been, Abigail? You can't lead from behind.

[Buck Sexton]

Lieutenant Governor Sears, appreciate you very much and please come back and talk to us either right before your victory or right after.

[Winsome Sears]

You can choose when some forgovernor.com please go to my website, winsome for governor.com and help me.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes, Helco helper guys and gals, we need. We need to make sure we have a good governor in Virginia and. And things are certainly trending in the right direction there politically. All right, look, no matter where you live, there's always a chance. You become a victim of a robbery, last thing we'd wish on you. But the fact remains, this kind of stuff still happens all over the country. So you need to be able to protect yourself. And you want to be proactive. You want to get ready before you need it. Because if you don't have it when you need it, it's too late. It's where Sabre comes in. Sabre spelled S A B R E. In my house, in Clay's house, we have a whole range of Sabre. Highly effective, non lethal self defense and home defense products. Look, Sabre's been at this for 50 years. So they've got decades of experience in this realm. And they are the most trusted pepper spray brand by law enforcement. Their pepper gel projectile launcher is an incredible example of why they're so well thought of by experts in home and self defense. So go get Sabre products today. Pepper gels, pepper sprays, pepper launchers, whole bunch of stuff. Different alarms you can set up in your home, bars for doors. I mean really, really top quality. Go to Sabre radio S A b r e saberradio.com at that website, you'll say 15% saberradio.com or if you want to just call. It's really easy to do. 844-824 safe. That's 844-824 safe.

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in Clay. Travis Buck Sexton show. We roll through the Thursday edition of the program. A bunch of comments rolling in. Uh, let me read some of the emails. Uh, Tristan. Hey, guys. Longtime listener, first time reaching out. I'm 40 years old, gay male. I agree 100% that I do not identify with this current LGBTQ Alphabet community. I'm a gay man. I don't agree at all with any of the trans issues except for that they should be treated like human beings and. But I'm not going to be holding onto their delusion. A hundred percent agree. Another email just heard you on the radio talking about how gay men and women should push back, not just gay men. I think Buck asked a question. I think it's a really good question. How do we break sort of the national fever of delusion as it pertains to the trans related issues? And I said we have to break identity politics overall so people stop thinking about this as a group issue and just look at it individually, whether you're gay, straight, black, white, Asian, Hispanic, whatever you want to be. But I said the gay community breaking away from the Alphabet mafia here and saying, hey, this is not reflective of us. So just to be clear, you said it perfectly well. I appreciate that. This isn't our fight. Trans is not our fight. I'm a gay man. God made me that. God does not make mistakes. Okay, Lisa in Florida now, this may be tough. Lisa, you say your son is trans. So how old is he now?

[Mary Margaret Olahan]

40.

[Lisa]

When this, when this started, like 17.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, so this is. And obviously look, there are the vast majority of trans kids out there are not going to turn into school shooters. Right. So we're not saying this is directly connected, but when did your kid start to receive treatment?

[Lisa]

Treatment for wanting to become trans?

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Winsome Sears]

Yeah.

[Lisa]

So, well, the school jumped in there and started doing the counseling right there. The college he was going to. And it only take. They take two psychiatrists to get it approved. And both of them said, oh sure, so 17, 18, 19. And then in the 20s, we, you know, changed first name, last name, not we, not me. And next thing I know, this is who I am and you have to call me this, which I have to this day not and still respected, you know, the boundaries. That's your life, if that's what you want to do.

[Winsome Sears]

Okay.

[Lisa]

But at the same time, it has gotten so radical and I got this whole schmill too, even from him. Would you Rather, have a dead child for a transgender.

[Buck Sexton]

The horrible blackmail line, emotional blackmail line they use against parents all across the country. Lisa, do you feel like, do you feel like the college trans, if you will, your son? Is that your belief or. I mean, how much of a role do you think they played that that was.

[Lisa]

If you could have seen the counselor that was in there with me, you know, and she's trying to tell me. Well, she says, she says, I'm like, no, she is not. Because I've seen her go from the bedroom to the bathroom and drop the towel. So parts are still where they are. But at the same time, I told your screener, who is very compassionate, I told my husband last night because it has gotten so far out of hand and so radical and his whole personality and I mean, this is the kid that grew up in, in, you know, Christian church and enjoyed it and loved it.

[Winsome Sears]

Not anymore.

[Lisa]

And I don't know how to describe the feeling, but I told my husband last night, I said, has he had the full.

[Buck Sexton]

Has your son had the full, Lisa, like the surgeries?

[Lisa]

No.

[Winsome Sears]

No.

[Clay Travis]

What about drug treatment, the hormones, all those things?

[Lisa]

Oh, my goodness, yes.

[Winsome Sears]

We've got boobs, everything.

[Lisa]

Yes.

[Clay Travis]

So how has that changed his behavior? And I guess that's part one, part two. What would you want other parents out there who might be dealing with this to know from your perspective?

[Lisa]

Well, it immediately started changing the personality and then actually he even admitted it. And it also started chang. Just health issues overall. But the other thing, don't buy into that because it gets so far fetched and so deep into it. I told my husband last night, I don't know if he would actually. You've gotten so bitter and they feed into it and make it worse. I don't, I don't know that he wouldn't go out and do something like this. I can't tell you that. And I, as horrible as this is going to sound, I don't know how to say this, and it's just going to sound horrible, but if I thought that something would happen to my son committing suicide and he would still go to heaven, I would be better living with that than knowing that he went out and killed children or anybody for that matter. I don't even know if that makes sense.

[Clay Travis]

No, I love my son. I appreciate, I appreciate you calling in and sharing this because I think what it goes to is the. And thank you so much. And certainly I know a lot of people are going to pray for you, Lisa, but I think what it goes to, Buck, is the emotional blackmail that this puts families through that is rooted in a lie. And I just. I'm sorry. I don't think that any of these kids are getting better. Right. You're not getting a better son or daughter than you already had. And it's putting families through the ringer.

[Buck Sexton]

Right. I mean, imagine if you sat down with somebody, Clay, who was a serious drug addict, and their response to you was, either tell me the drugs are good or I might commit suicide. That's what's going on here. There's no choice for these parents. This is an I Heart podcast.