Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Aug 29 2025

Summary

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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Daily Review with Clay and Buck – August 29, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton dissect the day’s most impactful news and political developments. With their trademark mix of sharp analysis and humor, the hour covers global financial shifts, domestic crime policy, Democratic party strategy, the politics of gender identity in high-profile crimes, and the public health debate surrounding cannabis, antidepressants, and mental health. Notably, guest expert Alex Berenson—journalist and author—joins the conversation to discuss mental health, drugs, and social policy. Mary Katharine Ham also weighs in on family, sports culture, and political media.

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Key Discussion Points & Timestamps

1. The BRICS Summit: Global Shifts Away from the US Dollar (01:17–02:44)

• Clay and Buck introduce the "Rio Reset," referring to the BRICS summit in Brazil, noting the addition of five new member countries.
• BRICS' main aim: Emerging economies seek to reduce reliance on the US dollar.
• Philip Patrick (Birch Gold Group), from the summit:
  • “The world is moving on from the dollar. Quietly but steadily, these nations are making real progress towards reshaping global trade. The US dollar is no longer the centerpiece. That shift doesn't happen overnight, but make no mistake, it's already begun.” (02:23–02:44)
• Hosts warn listeners to consider safeguarding their assets via gold purchases due to these shifts.

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2. Trump’s Crime Policy and Urban Safety (03:59–06:19)

• Discussion of increased law enforcement in D.C. under Trump.
  • Hosts highlight positive feedback from local business owners and residents who feel safer, noting reduced crime and graffiti cleanup.
  • Direct testimonials play, illustrating improvements and public approval:
    • “They’re cleaning graffiti…All these things you’re hearing, you’re going, who hears this and says, what a monster Trump is? They’re cleaning up graffiti and making sure people don’t get shot…” – Clay Travis (04:43–04:59)
• Political ramifications:
  • Buck points out a disconnect: “81% of Americans say that violent crime in big cities is a major problem…99% of people agree with Trump on this.” (04:59–05:50)
  • Discussion of resistance from the Democratic party and judicial activism.

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3. Democratic Party 2028: Gavin Newsom, Kamala Harris, Wes Moore (06:19–14:55)

• Gavin Newsom's law enforcement push:
  • Hosts note his “law and order” pivot, likening the strategy to appropriating Trump’s messaging.
  • “Gavin Newsom is going to try to just occupy the middle by arguing for things that he’s actually not done during his whole tenure…” – Buck Sexton (08:53–09:53)
• Kamala Harris as a political template:
  • Discussion of Democrats adopting Trump’s popular positions (e.g., “no tax on tips”) after the fact.
• Prospective 2028 Democratic ticket:
  • Bets on Newsom as presidential nominee, with Wes Moore or Gretchen Whitmer as possible VPs.
  • Clay: "Gavin Newsom has drastically taken early lead and it's very early..." (09:53–10:45)
  • Wes Moore’s credentials and pivot on crime for brand building.
  • On gender and electoral calculus: “I never hear anybody talk about that; it’s always men are to blame when women don’t win.” – Buck Sexton (14:55)

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4. Social Commentary: Gender & Crime in Media Reporting (24:12–29:09)

• Hosts critique media coverage of a Minneapolis school shooting by a transgender perpetrator, focusing on the reluctance to acknowledge gender identity or its potential role in the crime.
• Clay raises questions about:
  • Mental health implications of early hormone therapy.
  • Long-term health impacts for transgender individuals:
    • “Is there any way these people are going to have remotely normal lifespans? It’s like you’re not allowed to discuss it…” – Clay Travis (25:35–26:34)
  • Media “misgendering” controversies.
• Buck argues media is ‘maniacal’ in prioritizing preferred pronouns over basic facts of the case.

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5. Mass Shootings, Mental Health, and Firearm Policy (29:40–36:47)

• Debate over mental health checks and gun ownership:
  • Questioning enforceability of laws meant to keep guns from those adjudicated mentally incompetent.
  • Concerns about potential for civil liberties abuses.
• Security in Schools:
  • Strong advocacy for armed security guards at all schools as a tangible solution:
    • “Every single public and private school in America should have security guards armed... I don't understand how this isn't standard operating procedure.” – Buck Sexton (33:43–34:47)
• Deeper discussion of “hardening” soft targets— paralleled to border security and infrastructure.

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6. Cannabis, Psychosis, and Policy: Interview with Alex Berenson (39:21–55:48)

a. Transgender Youth & Decision-Making (39:21–40:04)

• Alex Berenson:
  • Strong drugs—including sex hormones for gender transition—can affect decision-making.
  • “That’s a perfectly reasonable question to ask.” (40:04–40:14)

b. Cannabis Link to Psychosis and Violent Crime (40:14–48:30)

• Berenson’s argument:
  • Cannabis/THC is strongly linked to psychosis, especially among heavy users or early users.
  • “We’re sort of trading a bar fight for like a mass stabbing or a mass shooting.” (47:30–48:10)
• Debate over dangers of cannabis vs. alcohol:
  • Cannabis less physically dangerous, but has more profound effects on the brain and risks of psychosis.

c. SSRIs, Antipsychotics, and Right-Wing Misinformation (48:30–51:34)

• Hosts push back on ‘SSRI panic’ observed in right-wing circles:
  • “There’s this thing of, like, the SSRI zombies are running in and killing people. The right needs to understand that actually, in the mental health world, there are people whose lives are saved by being on these drugs…” – Clay Travis (48:30–49:20)
  • Berenson: “There are some people out there who really can't function without an SSRI… I don't understand the hate.” (49:20–50:19)
  • Asserts distinction between recreational drugs and necessary psychiatric medications.

d. Public Health Message on Drugs for Teens and Parents (52:11–54:12)

• Berenson’s advice:
  • “There’s no free lunch. A drug that gets you high… you’re going to pay a price for it… it may be a small price, but don’t make the mistake of thinking cannabis and THC is medicine…” (52:11–52:58)

e. Cannabis Policy & Political Influence (54:18–55:48)

• Berenson’s plea to Biden administration:
  • Should resist industry pressure to reschedule cannabis as less dangerous under federal law, as this would mainly aid profits, not public health.
  • “They don’t want it because it’s going to change public health… it will just make their lives easier…” (54:18–55:48)

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7. Media Tone & Culture: With Mary Katharine Ham (58:59–71:33)

• Sports as a “normie” meter:
  • “If you enjoy and engage with college football, you get a free pass to the normie lane in my mind.” – Mary Katharine Ham (59:37–59:53)
• Critique of out-of-touch corporate marketing:
  • “People in the C suite are so disconnected from normal people who might stop at a Cracker Barrel…” – Mary Katharine Ham (60:25–61:04)
• Proper fan etiquette:
  • Clay: Grown men shouldn’t wear jerseys of players younger than them or push kids aside for autographs.
  • “If you’re an adult trying to get an autograph, I think you should reconsider your life’s decisions.” – Clay Travis (63:30)
  • Ham: “That man’s behavior is trash… the hat was clearly meant for the child.” (64:09–64:55)
• On political commentary and audience:
  • The podcast “Normally” aims to provide news “without your blood pressure going up,” and feedback is “thoughtful and nice” (65:19–66:22).
• Parental responsibility in gun violence:
  • “If that young man is in your home, you have to have an inkling that this is going very much off the rails and you need to keep such things away from him.” – Mary Katharine Ham (67:58–68:54)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On BRICS Summit:
  • “The world is moving on from the dollar. Quietly but steadily, these nations are making real progress towards reshaping global trade.” – Philip Patrick (02:23)
• On Crime Policy:
  • “They're cleaning up graffiti and making sure people don’t get shot…who hears this and says, what a monster Trump is?” – Clay Travis (04:43)
• On Democratic Candidates:
  • “Gavin Newsom is going to try to just occupy the middle by arguing for things that he’s actually not done during his whole tenure…” – Buck Sexton (08:53)
• On SSRIs and Mental Health:
  • “There are some people out there who really can't function without an SSRI.” – Alex Berenson (49:20)
• On Cannabis:
  • “Cannabis is less physically dangerous than alcohol… but is more dangerous to your brain.” – Alex Berenson (45:55)
  • “We’re trading a bar fight for a mass stabbing or a mass shooting.” – Alex Berenson (47:30)
• On Gendering the Shooter:
  • “They are doing this... refusing to say this was a boy. They're claiming that it's a girl. They're saying these parents have lost a daughter.” – Clay Travis (24:39)
• On Sports as Identity:
  • “If you enjoy and engage with college football, you get a free pass to the normie lane in my mind.” – Mary Katharine Ham (59:37)
• On Adult Fandom:
  • “If you're an adult trying to get an autograph, I think you should reconsider your life's decisions.” – Clay Travis (63:30)

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Summary Table of Segments

| Time | Segment | Key Points | |-------------|---------------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:17–02:44 | BRICS Summit & De-Dollarization | Rising global challenge to the US dollar, expert weighs in from summit. | | 03:59–06:19 | Trump Crime Policy in DC | Local reactions, crime stats, political approvals, Democratic hostility to Trump’s approach. | | 06:19–14:55 | 2028 Dem Candidates (Newsom, Harris, Moore) | Candidates’ positions, strategic pivots, and predictions for nominee/VP choices. | | 24:12–29:09 | Media on Trans Shooter | Hosts critique media’s reluctance to discuss shooter’s gender, discuss mental health in transition.| | 29:40–36:47 | Guns, Mental Health, School Security | Laws and practicality, advocacy for universal school security guards. | | 39:21–55:48 | Berenson Interview | Cannabis/psychosis, antidepressants, youth drug policy, and federal scheduling of marijuana. | | 58:59–71:33 | Pop Culture & Parenting with MK Ham | Sports as identity, fandom etiquette, podcasting, and parental responsibility in addressing crime. |

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Episode Tone & Style

The tone remains sharply opinionated, irreverent at times, and conversational, with hosts mixing serious political points, data-driven arguments, and laced-in sarcasm. Guests Alex Berenson and Mary Katharine Ham maintain this blend, bringing expertise and relatability while challenging echo chambers and clarifying misconceptions.

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For listeners, this episode is a comprehensive, fast-paced conversation on global power shifts, domestic policy, media narratives, public health, and political strategy through 2028. It is dense with opinions, memorable quips, and moments for reflection on how news shapes culture, elections, and the stories we tell ourselves about America.

Transcript

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[Buck Sexton]

Sounds like a trendy new workout buck.

[Clay Travis]

It does, but it's actually a big summit going on in Brazil. The formal name is brics, which stands for Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa. But they've just added five new members.

[Buck Sexton]

Smart move to stick with brics. We know what happens when acronyms don't end. They confuse everyone.

[Clay Travis]

Well, that's an understatement. BRICS is a group of emerging economies hoping to increase their sway in the global financial order.

[Buck Sexton]

Now, now that sounds like the plotline of a movie. I'm listening.

[Clay Travis]

Philip Patrick is our Bruce Wayne. He's a precious metal specialist and a spokesman for the Birch Gold Group. He's on the ground in Rio getting the whole lowdown on what's going on there.

[Buck Sexton]

Can he give us some inside intel?

[Clay Travis]

Absolutely. He's been there since day one. In fact, a major theme at the summit is how BRICS nations aim to reduce reliance on the US dollar in global trade.

[Buck Sexton]

Yikes. That doesn't sound good. We gotta get Philip on the line. Stat oh, already did.

[Clay Travis]

And he left the Clay and Buck audience this message. The world is moving on from the dollar.

[Buck Sexton]

Quietly but steadily, these nations are making.

[Clay Travis]

Real progress towards reshaping global trade.

[Buck Sexton]

And the US Dollar is no longer the centerpiece.

[Clay Travis]

That shift doesn't happen overnight, but make.

[Buck Sexton]

No mistake, it's already begun.

[Clay Travis]

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[Mary Katharine Ham]

It was a little dicey at times.

[Clay Travis]

Especially at the later times in the hour. I would see fights break out whenever.

[Buck Sexton]

I was just walking home.

[Clay Travis]

But now it's a lot more quiet. What do you think about that security? What's your reaction to it? You think it's been good for the. Yeah, I welcome it. I think it's a great idea.

[Buck Sexton]

I have noticed that they have been.

[Mary Katharine Ham]

Cleaning some of the graffiti off in.

[Clay Travis]

Some of the areas, like on the highways and that kind of stuff. Do you feel safer now than before now? And do you have any experience with safety being an issue before? It's like a lot of like car.

[Mary Katharine Ham]

Lost stealing, a lot like gun problem, a lot of rob and a lot.

[Clay Travis]

Of like trucks and gun.

[Alex Berenson]

So now it's much better.

[Clay Travis]

Now it's much better. It's quiet. They're clinic graffiti. All these things you're hearing, you're going, who? Who hears this Clay and says what a monster Trump is. They're cleaning up graffiti and making sure people don't get shot. And businesses feel like their customers don't have to worry about being robbed outside them.

[Buck Sexton]

Monstrous stuff from Trump. Well, yesterday I shared the AP data. 81% of Americans say that violent crime in big cities is a major problem. The 18% of Americans say it's a minor problem in big cities. One percent say it's not a problem. So you have allowed Trump, Democrats have to take an issue that 99% of people agree with him on and you've taken the other side. Now there's probably, what, 20% of the Democrat base that if President Trump waved a magic wand and all violent crime cease to exist in the country, they would still say, oh, this is exactly what Hitler would do because their brain is so broken that they lack the ability to give any credit to Trump at all. But this is where, and I just come back to it again and again, this is where the team that Trump has put in place for 2.0, frankly, it is orders of magnitude better than 1.0. There's very few things I can even point to and say they're not executing at a phenomenally high level. In fact, Buck, my biggest concern is that Trump is doing so much in this first year that I don't even know what he's going to do in years two, three and four.

[Clay Travis]

Well, he's moving, I think the continuation of it, right? I mean, the border, it's, it's, you turn into maintenance mode a little bit on some of this with the border. The deportation numbers, I think I saw it was 200,000 so far this year. So those numbers are ramping up. We want to see a lot more of that. But those numbers are getting stronger and stronger with time. They have to build the infrastructure and they have to build the deportation infrastructure. While you have all these lib activist judges that are just deciding they run US Immigration policy, they're actually the president. They can shut things down. They can turn planes around in midair if they say so. So they're working against that clear opposition. But, but Clay, I never thought that I would say this. Kamala Harris may be the template of Democrat strategy on some of these issues going forward. Now, let me explain. You wouldn't usually think of Kamala Harris as a tactician, as the, you know, the second coming of Machiavelli in politics. But you will recall, Clay, at one point when she was running against Donald Trump in her short and ill fated campaign, she came up with this incredible idea. And the idea was no tax on tips. And she came forward and she said, hey guys, I have this great idea. No tax on tips. And everyone kind of looked at her except for the Democrats who were told to clap in the audience and said, right, you mean the thing that Trump has been saying and pushing for for months and months and months and now this is your idea. I bring it up because Gavin Newsom is taking a page from the Kamala book. Taking a page from the Trump book. Gavin Newsom is surging law enforcement in his home state to address crime issues. Plus, sorry, play clip two effort that.

[Buck Sexton]

Will now take shape on border division down in San Diego. We're going to advance this effort down in LA to other parts of the Central Valley, not just limited to Bakersfield, in partnership with, with Mayor Goh there in San Bernardino. And we're going to expand this operation in a collaborative that continues to include the cities and counties, our partners in the sheriff's office and local law enforcement agencies. We continue as well to work with the federal partners.

[Clay Travis]

Wait a second. Gavin Newsom talking about law enforcement surge to deal with crime. That's amazing. He came up with that idea on his own. That's amazing.

[Buck Sexton]

I do think it's emblematic of what Gavin Newsom's entire presidential campaign is going to be. He is shameless. He knows that there is very little consequence for changing positions. The media has his back. If he's going to be the Democrat nominee, I think that Gavin Newsom is going to try to just occupy the middle by arguing for things that he's actually not done during his whole tenure as the governor of California. And I think he knows that he'll get cover from the media and he'll run like Joe Biden did and then he'll get into office and he'll run super left wing. I think that that is the way that they think they can get back to power. And so if you look at the gambling markets, Gavin Newsom, you and I might think, and I think we do, and most of you out there might agree with us that he has embarrassed himself in the way that he has been behaving over the past several weeks. Shamelessness, dishonesty. The markets don't agree with us. They are saying Gavin Newsom has drastically taken early lead and it's very early. But some of you are going to say, well, why does this matter? A lot of big donors get behind these presidential campaigns super early. And I am telling you, Gavin Newsom's going to announce for President probably January 2027, and we're officially going to be a go. And I think you have to make Gavin Newsom a substantial favorite to be the nominee right now. I don't think he has any foundation. I don't think he has any core value. I think he is, even for a politician uniquely without a spine. Do you want me to.

[Clay Travis]

Do you want me to let you.

[Buck Sexton]

Everything. You're wrong on everything, Buck. That's benefit.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah. Well, do you want me to let you out of your Kamala bet with whatever they call it in betting where I'll give you like, you'll pay a minor penalty. You'll get me an appetizer instead of the full steak.

[Buck Sexton]

Clay. Oh, I. I said she would run. I still know she's going to run.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, I know.

[Alex Berenson]

Okay.

[Clay Travis]

All right. You're.

[Alex Berenson]

You're.

[Clay Travis]

You're still. You're sticking with it, huh? You're sticking.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, I just. I don't buy that Kamala. And again, this goes into the psychology of why some people run. I don't buy that Kamala has anything else that she loves. Meaning how is she going to occupy that time? She's still only 61.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, I know. I know.

[Buck Sexton]

You're.

[Clay Travis]

I just. I'm trying to be neighborly, trying to be a good friend here, you know, a good co host and offer you an out. Because I think. We both think Gavin Newsom is in the number one slot right now to be the next Democrat nominee. Gavin Newsom certainly thinks so. However, another name that you and I have bandied about here as a possibility, certainly, I think as a VP possibility, just because of the name recognition issue. A name recognition issue, but maybe the top of the ticket, Governor West Moore of Maryland. And here's what he is saying. Not a big surprise given what's going on here about federal support in fighting crime. Play 3.

[Mary Katharine Ham]

Baltimore still ranks third in the nation.

[Buck Sexton]

In violent crime rate per capita in.

[Mary Katharine Ham]

The nation that you would welcome in.

[Buck Sexton]

The president states help if crime in Maryland. I'm on limited time and I want to give you a chance to address. I would absolutely support, apparently. There we go. You're welcome.

[Alex Berenson]

Federal support.

[Buck Sexton]

That's wonderful to hear. I would absolutely welcome federal support to hear that. But I also know what federal support is going to be necessary and required. It's the reason that I've said we would love to have additional support for license plate readers. Things that we know can actually stop crimes as they are happening and making sure that people are brought to justice.

[Clay Travis]

Can I just point this. This is Exactly. That was our friend Will came by the way in his Fox News show. And good, good on Will for getting the answer out here. Notice Wes Moore, who wants to be president. I think we all know this, wants to run and wants to be president and has a very, you know, is, I think his West Point is West Point grad. I know he's a veteran. I think he went to West Point, you know, played football. Like, there's a lot about this guy that, that fixes some of the problems Democrats have on the brand side. Right. So tell, tell me, guys, if he went to West Point or not. I don't want to mess up his bio. I know he was a football player. I know he's a veteran. So he's a black guy, veteran football player. You know, comes across, he went to.

[Buck Sexton]

Valley Forge military, which is a, I'm.

[Clay Travis]

Sorry, there we go.

[Buck Sexton]

But then he went to Johns Hopkins, according to the bio, Johns Hopkins, and then got a master's from Oxford, but was in the 82nd Airborne. And I knew he was a veteran.

[Clay Travis]

And I knew he'd been a football player. I wasn't sure about the military college, but thank you for that. Or, you know, military undergrad program. So anyway, the point is he's got the, he's got the bayou. He's got the background to be a formidable candidate. And notice what he's saying. Clay, this is what I've said all along is so crazy about the Democrats. It shouldn't be Trump. Why are you trying to stop the murders? If they were smart, what they would be saying is, oh no, we agree we should definitely address this problem in D.C. here's though, the way that we think it should go. And then you criticize, you know, oh well, Trump with the National Guardian. What they're saying is there's no problem. And the whole country has said, you guys are insane. There's clearly a problem. So Wes Moore has pivoted into a defensible position, I think in anticipation of what this guy's brand building exercise is going to be as he runs for President Trump. Just like, look at Gavin Newsom surging law enforcement. The smart Democrats. See the handwriting on the wall.

[Buck Sexton]

I, if I were betting right now, I would say they go, Gavin Newsom, President, Wes Moore, vp because that gives them the. I think that they're going to be a little bit reticent. The other one that I would say is Gretchen Whitmer as vp, but I think the Democrats are actually going to be a little bit reticent to try to go female Again, I think, I.

[Clay Travis]

Think they are, and I think it's because they realize abortion is not going to win the presidency for them. It's not going to happen, and they thought it would. It's not going to happen.

[Buck Sexton]

It's also interesting, women supported Joe Biden more than they did Hillary and Kamala. And I haven't heard anybody else really talk about this, but everybody says, oh, it's misogyny, it's misogyny, men won't vote for women, things like that. I actually think that there are a lot of women that do not find Hillary or Kamala to be actually very likable and are more likely to vote for a male Democrat candidate than they are a female Democrat candidate. And I never hear anybody talk about that. It's always like, men are to blame when women don't win. Men are to blame. Men are to blame. But Trump did better against Hillary and against Kamala for women than he did against Biden. It's just kind of interesting. Right?

[Clay Travis]

You, I just want to say this. You doing a podcast where you mansplain feminism to feminists would honestly be great. It would be really good. You know, the First Amendment in boobs, guy explaining feminism to the feminists. Here's why, ladies, you vote for men instead of women.

[Buck Sexton]

We should just call it Clay Splain, where I just tell women what they need to hear.

[Clay Travis]

I think we're all, I think we're onto something.

[Buck Sexton]

I think we do really, really well. Make everybody miserable, including my wife. But it would do very, very well.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, look, President Trump wants to see this country emerge as the leader. It's critical. The leader in artificial intelligence. And that's where we were. But now China, because of Biden, because of some lost years, has gotten right up next to us. And we need to be the leader in AI. This is absolutely critical for our military, for our economy, for world leadership going forward. Now President Trump sees this crucial technological battle for what it is, and he's taking big steps. A trillion dollar plus investment that's drawing in multiple partners, thanks to this Trump administration. Now, I call this the Manhattan Project, too, to take back our lead in the air arms race and to engage a handful of US Firms in that are going to get big contracts in the billions of dollars. So this could trigger an investment boom and soon, I mean, as soon as October 15th. And I break all this down for you in a brand new interview, including the companies that I believe could soar when this comes about. Find this interview and all the details at a new website we're taking this one off air so to speak. The website is off air25.com that's off air25.com you can watch the whole thing, the whole presentation. Trust me, you want to see this. It is worth your time to go to that site off air25.com paid for by Paradigm Press Geek out with the.

[Buck Sexton]

Guys on the Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck podcast a new episode every Sunday. Find it on the Iheart app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Buck Sexton]

Podcasts, or wherever you listen. We appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we are rolling into Labor Day weekend. I know many of you e already on the roads or potentially going to be traveling. Worth mentioning that we are at a four year low in gas prices. You have to go all the way back TO I believe 2021 in still, the Democrats are not driving on the interstate era or if they were, they were wearing masks in their cars by themselves to when the price of gas was this affordable. So if you factor in inflation as well, which unfortunately Joe Biden brought us, it's even better because the average cost of goods have gone up substantially yet gas is cheaper now than at any point in the next four years. And this is primarily going to be a driving weekend for a lot of people out there. I know people also flying. I'm going to be driving a decent distance and so many of you are as well. So just a good sign there. And as we move into winter, I would expect for prices to come down again, as usually you see a bit of a surge in gas prices during the summer because so many people are traveling. Cracker Barrel, by the way, is in full on retreat. We may have some fun with that before all is said and done, but I do think it's worth us continuing to share with you some of the basic lies that are being shared with so many people out there relating to what happened in Minneapolis, most places. Still not really addressing the fact that this was a trans terrorist that took these lives of these innocent kids in Minneapolis. And in fact, they're not even being honest about the gender of the person who did this. This was a man pretending to be a woman. CNN is worried about misgendering the shooter such that they keep referring. And so does New York Times, so does the Washington Post. They keep referring to this shooter as a her. This is what it sounds like. They won't even tell you who this person was in the context of their own gender or that the trans identity might have been involved. Here is cut 11 what you heard on CNN. This is Andrew McCabe. Listen for the mother to not even return to the state to answer law.

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Enforcement questions to try to provide some assistance.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm sure she's grieving for daughter, but this is, yeah, it's a really perverse and strange element of this story.

[Alex Berenson]

It's inexplicable to me at this point.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, you can hear them pause there.

[Clay Travis]

Inexplicable.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. He says daughter. They are, they are doing this, Buck, on msnbc, New York Times. They are refusing to say this was a boy. They are claiming that it's a girl. They're saying that this, these parents have lost a daughter, meaning the killer. They are worried about misgendering and as a result, they aren't even talking about the trans element here. Now, I think the parent discussion should be a part of this because they changed the gender of this kid at 17 years old. I think we should be talking in earnest. How many different drugs was this kid on? How screwed up did that potentially make the mental capacity of the kid? How much did it exacerbate what is likely mental illness already to be suddenly flooding the body with hormones? Buck, here's something I was Thinking about last night as I was doing some prep when I got back home late last night. And I know we've touched on it a little bit, but I feel like it's almost verboten to even discuss what is the health impact long term going to be for these trans people as they enter into their 50s, their 60s and 70s, and start to age and have real health problems, as most people do as they age. When you're talking about people with open wounds that are constantly flooding their body with hormones, is there any way these people are going to have remotely normal lifespans? It's like you're not allowed to discuss it, but some of these people are so young when they got this done that we haven't really dealt with. Hey, what happens when you're 65 and you had trans surgery? These people are going to die decades younger and earlier than they otherwise would have. And with the ones that they're starting at 13 and 14, I mean, their bodies are never going to fully develop. Their bones are not going to. I just get angrier the more I think about this.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, it's. It's horrible what has gone on. And part of the problem is that a lot of damage has already been done. And so the people that are involved in that damage are very unlikely to ever admit what has gone on.

[Buck Sexton]

Right. Yes.

[Clay Travis]

I mean, on the, on the medical side of things and the fact that you. I honestly, I hadn't heard that sound bite yet. So the fact that this is being done where you have people saying that a dog, that they, that the parents of the shooter lost a daughter.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes.

[Clay Travis]

Is crazy talk.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes. Yes.

[Clay Travis]

This is crazy. This is not acceptable. This is not something we go along with. It was a crazy guy who killed children and tried to kill a whole lot more. Remember this individual, this, this mass shooter, it's. It's a horrible tragedy that he killed an 8 year old and I believe an 8 year old and a 10 year old at prayer in a church or walking into a church to pray. This person with the guns that he had there and the fact that it was an undefended soft target, it could have been so much worse in terms of the casualties and people were hit and they thankfully survived. Quick action by the first responders and by, you know, emergency rooms in the area to save lives. But Clay, that, that anyone would take even a second to worry about the courtesy of the preferred pronouns of this maniac is itself maniacal. It is absolutely unacceptable.

[Buck Sexton]

And remember, this is the former acting director of the FBI, so you would think of anyone out there. If you are an investigator, you would think that you would want to stick to the facts way more than anybody else. And the facts are this was a boy trying to identify as a girl. The way that he hesitated there and the fact that he actually pointed out that the mom is not cooperating with authorities is all very strange because what it would suggest is that maybe she knew that her son was. I don't see how she could not knew that her son was a potential threat to everyone. And so far she is not talking because she is afraid that she might get charged in relationship to this shooting because somehow this crazy person had access to guns. And let me just reiterate this all the time. You can strongly believe in the second amendment. And if you are a parent, also understand that your individual kid may not need to be in possession of a gun. And I don't mean that because you're worried about them shooting up other places or killing other people. I mean, your kid, if they have mental illness or they have depression or they have some form of psychoactive issue that you are aware of as a parent, they shouldn't be around firearms. Like this has nothing to do. I get so fired up about this because I've got three boys, Buck. I just don't believe that in any of these mass shooting situations there weren't tons of clues that these parents saw and they just pretended that it wasn't there and they let their kids remain in possession or in ownership of firearms. Right. And so I look at this. This mom is hiding, it sounds like from investigators not participating in the investigation. I think it's probably going to come out that she knew her son was a threat both to himself and to others and she just pretended it was going to go away. I think that's what's going to come out also. It's not going to surprise you, but I wanted to play this. The WNBA coach in Minneapolis, she has decided to weigh in and she says, hey, we can't tell kids anything positive because we don't care about them. This is woke WNBA nonsense, but I wanted to play it for you too. This is what you might be hearing if you were watching CNN or msnbc.

[Mary Katharine Ham]

It's such an indictment of our society and our lack of regard for life. There are things that we can do about it and we know, but for some reason as Americans, we value something different. It's sickening. Sad for the kids. Sad for the kids to grow up like this. Sad for kids to walk through the door and not know what's going to happen. Hearts go out to, obviously, the. I've lost kids that are hurt. You know, teachers that have to go through this, families that dropped their kid off of school isn't bad. Hearts go out to them. The sad thing is, we can't sit here and tell them that help is on the way because we're not going to do a damn thing about it.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay. And she's not talking about doing a damn thing about it, as in investigate what's going on with trans. She means she wants all your guns taken. And let's.

[Clay Travis]

You know, they always want to talk about mental health.

[Alex Berenson]

Should.

[Clay Travis]

Should. Should being trans bar you from owning or buying and owning a firearm? I mean, the left would absolutely freak out about that. But are we going to. Now they. They want mental health checks. They want. This is why again. Yes, sir. You can all hear the conversation with Trey. I was shocked at Mr. Gowdy's. I thought he misspoke on which.

[Buck Sexton]

Which is how we started that interview with me giving him an opportunity to say, upon reflection, because you do live radio, you do live tv, you're not perfect. So I thought he would take back some of what he said. He did not. Not at all.

[Clay Travis]

Not at all. He's like, we need a new law. We need a new law that's going to stop people from. And I say, okay, what's that law going to be?

[Alex Berenson]

Is.

[Clay Travis]

Well, if someone's adjudicated mentally. Okay, well, first of all, a lot of places already have something on, you know, that's similar. The problem is adjudicating somebody mentally deficient. The problem is figuring or, you know, mentally incompetent to own basically a danger to themselves and others. What you think the, the, the system that we have is going to catch everybody? That's crazy. Good luck with that one. And what are the. What are the implications the civil rights and First Amendment and other implications of. Oh, we're deciding that you're crazy, so we're taking away your right. Everybody knows I'm saying this, and a lot of you are already nodding your heads. Oh, you mean they're going to try to take guns from veterans who have ptsd, Right. Because that's going to happen in blue states. You mean they're going to try to take guns from people? You know that a whole range of things. It'll be used as a tool, weaponized immediately and right away. And so what's the law? And to the point being made here by. What was a W? He said it was a wnba.

[Buck Sexton]

WNBA head coach. Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

Head coach.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay.

[Clay Travis]

They say, we know what to do, say what it is.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

If the whole. The whole point here is that people get to point at their political adversaries and say they're the bad people because they won't do the good thing, what's the good thing? What's the thing that we'll say? You know, yesterday with Trey, I even said, look, we're talking about putting more armed guards at schools. We're talking about maybe having a program that specifically puts veterans who have firearms training to protect our kids, to protect our houses of worship. A lot of places have armed security all over the country. Why not protect our kids? That's something. And that's something that might actually work. Passing a law that.

[Alex Berenson]

That.

[Clay Travis]

That what? That says if you're the most insane, vile lunatic on the planet, you can't get a gun? Well, yeah, we gotta find out who the insane, vile lunatic is before they shoot everybody. And that's the part of this that they don't even address. They don't even talk about.

[Buck Sexton]

I just. Every time this happens, I do not see this as political. Every single public and private school in America should have security guards armed. They are 20, you know, every hour that the kids are there. I don't understand how this isn't standard operating procedure. I've said it. I always think about it in the context of, would I want this for my kids? And if the answer is what I want it for my kids, almost without exception, my answer for all of you is going to be, I want it for your kids and grandkids too. My kids, public and private school, have had armed security. I don't understand why the immediate response from this when we look at what we spend and waste dollars on. You ran through the math, basically. I mean, this is $10 billion a year nationwide that we could put in place and say, let's do it. When I look at the way that we waste money protecting kids, lives at school, young, innocent kids, and letting every bad guy out there know, hey, there's armed security at this school. Because what did we see with Covenant? These. These evil people are doing stakeouts of the schools to see whether or not they're secure. And if they are, maybe it makes them change their minds just a little bit. The bridges is a good example of this. I was talking about this with my wife the other day. You know, they put fences basically higher up on bridges to try to limit. Limit suicides. And people drastically do not commit suicide at the same level when they just have to climb up a Little bit more over the top of a fence.

[Clay Travis]

Or a secure area of fences as a security system.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

Make it harder, slow people down. By the way, truth, the border as well.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes.

[Clay Travis]

I've seen at the border people scaling the fence. But you know what, you see them, it slows them down and then you can arrest them. On the other side, it's not, people go, if you have a 10 foot fence, I'll have an 11 foot ladder. Guess who's waiting for you on the other side of that fence? If it's well constructed and it's double layer and there's sensors in place. Border patrol. All security measures are imperfect on their own, but that doesn't mean they're not useful. And it's certainly useful. I would even advocate for a program that says, look, why does concealed carry work so well? Clay? And total credit to more guns, less crime. John Lott on this, what you find out is that it's not that everyone has to conceal carry, it's that in places where there is concealed carry, the bad guy has to think somebody here might have a gun. Yeah. That changes the calculation. Sometimes they do and they go for it anyway. And then there's a good guy with a gun there. But on the, in the school system, if you even just had, let's say if a state said, you know what, we're going to have a program, some uniform, some out of, you know, some open carry, some concealed carry changes the calculation for school shooters inherently and there's no loss of attendant rights. There's no, I'm going to harass people who are good people who haven't done anything like. That's the part of it that also has to be taken into account.

[Buck Sexton]

I wish if we were going to have a conversation nationwide about that's the one we'd go to. It's the one that I try to push every single time any of these incidents happen. Look, talk with any Israeli citizen these days, they'll tell you peace and quiet's the top priority. No one wants the current conflict in the region to go away more than the average person living in Israel. But there is still a huge demand for security. Your gift to the international fellowship of Christians and Jews creates new bomb shelters across Israel, necessary supplies for those existing bomb shelters out there. We know unfortunately how much all of these shelters are going to be needed. Now is the time to help Israel's most innocent and most vulnerable. To rush your gift. Call 888-488 IFCJ. That's 888488. IFCJ you can go online to IFCJ.org that's IFCJ.org stories of freedom, stories of America Inspiration, inspirational stories that unite us all. Each day, spend time with Clay and Buck. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcast. Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Our friend Alex Berenson, formerly of the New York Times, write about almost everything on Covid. Remember back when that mattered. Now it's just like everybody wants to pretend Covid never existed. And there were never restrictions. And they never said, hey, go sit in circles in public parks. They never said, hey, take your put your mask on to walk to a restaurant. Then you can take your mask off as soon as you sit down. That none of this absurdity. Schools weren't shut down all these things. I thought about it this morning because I'm still angry about it. When I took my kids, we had a doctor's appointment and you had to wear a mask to go to a kid's pediatric appointment for years in much of the country. But Alex, we want to talk with you now about the school shooting and in Minneapolis. We have been talking about this quite a lot, and we're going to get into a variety of different angles that you think are significant. But let's start here. How much attention do you think there should be? You're a parent. Buck is now a parent. Obviously. I've got three kids on the idea of minors being given drugs relating to their gender. In the wake of the school shooting in Nashville and the school shooting in Minneapolis, is it reasonable to say, hey, let's look at what we're giving these minor kids. Is it having an impact in their decision making?

[Alex Berenson]

Yes. I mean, I think if you frame it that way, the answer is 100% yes. And, you know, that's not to say that, you know, most training kids or kids getting, you know, or, you know, or even young adults getting trans hormones are in any way violent or dangerous. But, you know, this has now happened a number of times. And I think it, you know, it raises this bigger question, right? Like these are very powerful drugs. You know, sex hormones are, you know, they're very powerful even though they're naturally occurring. That doesn't mean they're not powerful and are when you frame it as are they affecting kids decision making. That's a perfectly reasonable question to ask.

[Clay Travis]

Now, Alex, I know you are very vocal about your what you see as a connection between psychosis from marijuana, thc.

[Alex Berenson]

Right.

[Clay Travis]

The psychoactive drug that that is what People are smoking the weed for, and in general, just the psychosis of it. But you also think that the. Walk me through here what you believe, because I've seen you on Twitter talking about this, or rather writing about this. Do you think there's a link between the psychosis that has. Has been a huge factor obviously in some of these horrific shootings and marijuana use? Talk us through that.

[Alex Berenson]

Sure. So, so start with this Cannabis. And you know, listen, I wrote a book, right, in 2019 called Tell your children that that went into this connection in depth. And, and so although I'm not an MD or a PhD, I believe that I am qualified to talk about this in a serious way. And I've read, you know, basically all the literature that I can find on it. And the evidence has really only gotten stronger since Telluturum came out, which was six years ago. There's been more studies done. So look, cannabis, you know, slash thc. Because as you said, THC is the active ingredient in cannabis. It's the drug in cannabis that makes people high, can cause and worsen psychotic episodes in people. There's. There's no question about that. I think even the cannabis lobby would acknowledge that. And there is now, I would say, very good evidence that in some people, especially if you start using cannabis at a young age, and especially if you use a lot of it, and especially if you use high potency cannabis. And unfortunately, all those three things are all connected. If you're doing that, you increase your risk of developing schizophrenia. And schizophrenia is essentially a permanent psychotic condition. Right? So people with schizophrenia will become psychotic. They'll maybe manage their psychosis with drugs, drugs called antipsychotics. They may get a little bit better, but then they're likely to become psychotic again. They'll relapse, sort of. The definition of schizophrenia is that it's a psychotic condition that's not drug related. It's not related to dementia, it's not related to anything else. And it just comes and goes. And it's a really terrible illness. Okay. About 1 in 150 people have this illness. And for the most part, they don't get married, they don't work, they don't have kids. They die about 20 years younger than other people on average, because you really can't function very well in society with schizophrenia. The other thing about schizophrenia and about psychiasis is that people who have it are much more likely to become violent. There's no question about that. They're also more likely to be the victims of violence. So let's be clear about that too. But you know, when the classic line, the line that I use and tell your children is when you see somebody, if you're just a, you know, an ordinary person, you're on the subway platform in New York City, you see somebody talking to himself who clearly hasn't showered or, you know, bathed, might be homeless at the other end of the platform or near you, you walk over to the other end of the platform because you intuitively know that psychosis is dangerous. Human beings know this. They know that people who are disconnected with reality can be dangerous to them. And that's particularly true when the psychosis has a paranoia flavor. So if I become mentally ill and I'm convinced that you're out to get me, I might lash out and hurt you. And that might be if you're a stranger, it might be if you're my child, it might be if you're, you know, a police officer, right? So once I become convinced that you're a risk to me, I will lash out against you. And this is a real connection. I don't think anybody serious in the psychiatric community, in the medical community will doubt any of those things that I've just told you. So the question then becomes, in encouraging people or allowing people or allowing an industry to spring up that encourages the use of cannabis and thc, which is a known psychomimetic drug, are we essentially facilitating or encouraging? Encouraging is the wrong word. But, but are. Is it like.

[Buck Sexton]

Let me cut, let me cut you off here for a sec. Let me cut you off for a sec, Alex, because I think this is important. I mentioned that we're all parents. I think a lot of people around our age, and we're all around the same age, actually bought into the idea that weed, that THC is in some way healthier to use and less damaging than alcohol. And if you, if you look at the data right now, and I think this is important, alcohol use among young people is hitting record lows. They are not in any way using alcohol like past generations have. Also, nobody young, by and large smokes, right? Like nicotine. And the idea that you would smoke a pack a day, the use of cigarettes has collapsed among the young. But use of thc, use of weed related products has surged. And the idea has been, Alex, that this is healthier and better for kids, better for young people, young adults. What you're telling us is that the evidence is actually that we're trading less dangerous objects for more dangerous ones, based on some of the data that you're seeing.

[Alex Berenson]

So it's more complicated even than what you just said, and here's why. Alcohol use is down, okay? But it is not clear that people who use cannabis use less alcohol. Okay? People who use drugs tend to use drugs, okay? So what you get is sort of an additive effect where people are using alcohol and cannabis.

[Buck Sexton]

So there's not as much of a substitution as my question implied based on what the data you see shows.

[Alex Berenson]

That's right. There are some people who are just using less drugs, right? Just the way their kids, you know, kids, like, I would say teens and young adults, they have sex less. Some of them don't drive, which just seems absolutely crazy to me. They seem perfectly content. A lot of them sit at home and essentially do nothing. And those are not the. And some of those people are using cannabis, but some are not. But there's definitely a group that is using cannabis and other drugs, even including psychedelics in addition to alcohol. So what I would also say is it's not. People say to me, how can you say cannabis is less dangerous than alcohol? Nobody ever, ever OD'd on cannabis on THC, which isn't quite true. People can OD on it mostly. They don't die on it. And here's the answer to that, the true answer to that. Cannabis is less physically dangerous than alcohol. No one could seriously disagree with that. If you drink too much alcohol, your liver can stop and you'll die. All right? That is not very likely. I mean, it's not going to happen if you use cannabis. But cannabis is more dangerous to your brain than alcohol. People don't get psychotic except in very, very rare times or in very late stage alcoholism from using alcohol. They do get psychotic, paranoid and psychotic all the time when they use cannabis. Okay? It's almost a feature of the drug. And so. So those are. People are more dangerous to the people around them in general than somebody who's using alcohol. And so. Alex, can I just. Yes, sorry. No, no.

[Clay Travis]

I want to ask you. Finish your thought. I have something else. Go ahead.

[Alex Berenson]

So. So the question is, like, as a society, we're sort of trading. We're trading a bar fight for like a mass stabbing or a mass shooting, right? So. Or maybe we're trading 10 bar fights or 100 bar fights for a mass shooting. But that is a real trade that we're making. This idea that somehow substituting cannabis for alcohol was going to be good for public health doesn't look like it's the case at all. And by the way, people, one last thing. This idea that when People are high and they drive. They don't speed. It's not true. This idea that people who use cannabis have better mental health is 100% not true. In addition to this, what I'm talking about with psychosis.

[Clay Travis]

So, Alex, I. I hate. I hate weed. I hate weed, too, just to be clear. So I'm. You know, everything you're saying here, it jives with what I think. But I want to ask you something else that's. That's related, but. Because when these things happen, you have a lot of people that will say, oh, you know, and I'm seeing this on the right particularly, which is why I want to talk about it. They go, oh, yes, it's. They start blending SSRIs.

[Alex Berenson]

Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

And this. I think there's a lot of misinformation or a lot of people need to understand. Like, I mean, I just say this. I knew someone very well, many years ago who was bipolar. And I knew this person. Someone, you know, it was a woman who I was dating on meds, totally normal, doing great, very successful in life, off meds, cannot function. And so I just think that, you know, people. There's this thing of, like, the SSRI zombies are running in and killing people. The right needs to understand that actually, in the mental health world, there are people who are. Their lives are saved by being on these drugs, actually. And a lot of veterans who deal with ptsd, whom I know have gotten tremendous benefit from ssri. So can you speak to this a little bit? Because I think people just are like, everybody on SSRI should get off. I'm like, that is a terrible idea.

[Alex Berenson]

It's a terrible idea. So I don't understand the hate for SSRIs. Okay, look, I think SSRIs are overrated as drugs. And most people who have mild depression are going to recover from that depression on their own, whether or not they take an ssri. But there are some people out there who have really severe depression who really can't function very well without an ssri. And by the way, if you have psychosis, there are drugs called antipsychotics. And those drugs, those are difficult drugs for people. They cause a lot of weight gain. They cause movement disorders in some people. But if you. If you have psychosis, you need an antipsychotic. Those drugs help people. And I think there's a really important distinction to make that gets lost between essentially recreational drugs, drugs of abuse, and SSRIs and antipsychotics. And so people say. When I say this, people are like, he's a simp for pharma. And I say to them, like, do you know who I am? Pharma? Yeah, Me.

[Clay Travis]

Well, this is why I wanted you to talk about it, Alex. Because when I try to point out reality, people, too, I'm like, no one's, like, sitting around just popping lots of Prozac because it's so fun.

[Alex Berenson]

That's exactly right. So. So the distinction isn't between a drug you prescribe and a drug that's not prescribed. The distinction is between drugs that get you high and drugs that don't get you high. So what gets you high? Stimulants get you high. So that's like an ADHD drug. Adderall. That's Amphetamine. Those drugs get people high. Benzos, anti anxiety drugs people take to get high. Nobody takes Prozac to get high. Nobody takes Zyprexa, which is an antipsychotic, to get high. Those drugs have street value because they don't get you high.

[Clay Travis]

And the people who need them really, really need them, in many cases, 100%.

[Alex Berenson]

Right. And so, again, like, our SSRI is potentially overprescribed. Sure. I'll tell you something. Right now. Right now, most SSRIs are off patent, okay? Prozac, off patent. Lexapro, off patent, okay? That means that the companies don't make any money, basically, from them, and they're still being prescribed. Why? Because there are some people out there who need them. And you're totally right to make that point. And I'm not like, I agree with you. I don't understand why the right has suddenly gotten fixated on SSRI.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, they're demonizing SSRIs, and they're. And they're wrong. Honestly, a lot of the people that are doing this are just wrong, and they don't know what they're talking about. And I'll just say it out loud because I know it's true.

[Buck Sexton]

All right, let me ask you this, Alex, as we go to break, because I do think so many people listen and their moms and dads, their grandma and grandpas, what would you want them to tell their kids who are 15 or 16 years old and have bought into this idea that you can use THC products as much as you want, and there's nothing to be concerned about with that. In 30 seconds. What would you want them to know in 30 seconds?

[Alex Berenson]

And then I. And then I hope you give me one final segment, but in 30 seconds, what I'd say to you is, it's not just about thc and it's not just about alcohol. There's no free lunch. Okay? A drug that gets you high, that. That alters your relationships with the world, you're gonna pay a price for it. And it may be a small price, and it may be a price that you're willing to pay to have that euphrate euphoria or that intoxication in the moment. But don't make the mistake of thinking cannabis and THC is medicine. Don't think that if you're, you know, popping your Adderall to stay up all night and you want to feel good like that, that there's not a price to be paid. These drugs are addictive. They change your brain chemistry. And. And you will pay. And you may be able to tolerate that price, but it is coming. That's what I would say to them. That's what. Okay. Parents should tell their kids.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Alex, you want. We're just gonna give you the floor for a second. You had more on this one. You're in fuego. Go ahead.

[Alex Berenson]

So listen, here's why. Here's what I said. The President of the United States right now has a very important decision that he's. That he's trying to make about whether or not cannabis should be reset, rescheduled as a. As a less dangerous drug under DEA rules. And so if he does that. Okay, by the way it's currently called Schedule 1. But that doesn't affect your ability in a legalized state to buy it. It doesn't mean anybody is arrested for possessing it or using it. All that stuff is under the current situation, okay? But the cannabis industry desperately wants them to reschedule because it will be a huge boost to their profit. Okay? And that will mean more pot ads, it will mean more dispensaries, it will mean more kids and young people and young adults smoking a lot. This is what they want. And they don't want it because it's going to change public health or get it or they don't want it because it's going to get, you know, kids out of jail because it doesn't change any laws. It just will make their lives easier. And you, me, Laura Ingram, we don't have money, okay? We are talking about this because we think it's important for the health of kids and young adults. And I know it's a tough choice, but the president should go with his gut. I know that he's concerned about substance abuse. I know, you know, he's seen its effects on people and he should keep cannabis as a Schedule 1 drug and he should listen to people who don't have money.

[Clay Travis]

Alex Berenson, everybody. Alex, thanks for being here, guys. Hour three coming up. Stick around.

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[Alex Berenson]

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[Mary Katharine Ham]

I'm Mary Kathryn Hamm.

[Buck Sexton]

And I'm Carol Markowitz. We've been in political media for a long time, long enough to know that it's gotten, well, a little insane.

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Mary Katharine Ham]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Mary Katharine Ham]

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[Clay Travis]

All right, welcome back in here to Clay and Bach. Mary Kathryn Ham joins us now. She is a Fox News contributor and she also has a podcast with the Play in Buck network. Normally with Carol Markowitz. Our dear friend Carol Markowitz, Ms. Katherine Ham. Great to have you on the program. I think we could maybe jump into this. Are you with Clay that if somebody likes. I grew up in Manhattan where college football wasn't really a thing. Are you with Clay that if someone likes college football, you inherently trust and probably just like them a little bit more like from go. They're in a good place with you.

[Mary Katharine Ham]

Yeah. Like you reference normally and that's like my normie meter. If you, if you enjoy and engage with college football, you get like a Free pass to the normie lane in my mind. And you have to prove otherwise with your weirdness at some point.

[Buck Sexton]

It's totally true. We just speak a common language. Even though Mary Katherine Ham is a Georgia Bulldog fan and is now getting to celebrate the fact that her team is incredibly good. And my team, hopefully is on the comeback trail a little bit with the University of Tennessee. But I do think it's important. We were talking about this with Cracker Barrel, and I know you've had takes and we'll get to some serious things, but does it continue to astound you how many companies hire people who would never consume their product ever to try and convince people why they should consume a product? I just. I fundamentally don't understand it.

[Mary Katharine Ham]

I don't either. The Cracker Barrel thing was such a weird hangover move. It's like, what year is this? What's happening? And to the extent that it was woke, it was just that these people in the C suite are so disconnected from normal people who might stop at a Cracker Barrel that they have no idea what's animating that decision. Like, like, I would stop at a Cracker Barrel more often if the food just came out a little faster. Like, just adjust that for me and I'm good. My kids love to go. I love to go. I like the vibe. We like to shop a little bit. I'm here for it. But the woman who is running the place in the marketing team have no idea what it's like to take a family with three kids or four kids.

[Alex Berenson]

To a Cracker Barrel.

[Mary Katharine Ham]

I just. I don't think they've ever done it.

[Clay Travis]

I've actually never been to a Cracker Barrel, so I'm excited to now go try. Try the cuisine that is now at the center of this national rebranding firestorm. So I've got that going for me, Mary Catherine, which is nice. Something else that came up. Cause we're kind of, you know, last. Last hour for a few folks here in the office before the holiday weekend starts. So we're doing a bit of a grab bag. And one of the. One of them is Clay shared out just now. A. You know what, Clay? I'll let you describe this goes to though the rules around when is it appropriate for an adult to ask for an autograph? Let me first put in though, autographing someone's book signed by the author. Totally legit. I hope all of you buy my book and Clay's book and we'll sign as many of them as we can. But Signing like paraphernalia. If you're an athlete, what are the rules about this? Because Clay, what just happened that got.

[Buck Sexton]

All this firestorm, it's, it's blown up at the US Open. They've got the tennis tournament going on out in New York now. And my general proposition, and this gets people really fired up, is you shouldn't wear. If you're a man, you shouldn't wear a jersey of a player younger than you. I think it's a weird look, you know, old school, like I was a Bo Jackson fan or a Michael Jordan fan. I'm not saying that I look good in a jersey, but I'm okay with people that you grew up a fan of. But when you're like, I'm 46, if I'm wearing a 19 year old's jersey, I think it's a really weird look. So wear a polo, wear a T shirt, whatever you want. Jersey at a grown man that's weighed like a generation younger than you, it's very strange. Also, Buck pointed out autographing books which are written for adults is the design process. I am very, very anti grown adults boxing out kids at sporting events, getting autographs. And there is a viral video that is now circulating that I just shared of a tennis player signing autographs for kids. He actually takes his ball cap off and tries to hand it to a kid. An adult autograph seeker comes in and grabs this. This happens with foul balls. Every now and then it happens with autographs. If you're an adult trying to get an autograph, I think you should reconsider your life's decisions. At an athletic event, step back and let little kids in front of you. Because the adults box out. The little kids, everybody has seen this.

[Alex Berenson]

This.

[Buck Sexton]

You're weird. If you're 40 and you're desperate to get a 24 year old's autograph, that 8 year old that you're boxing out, it will be one of the coolest moments of his life. Maybe reconsider your life options. Is that normal or am I the outlier here?

[Mary Katharine Ham]

No, I think you're right on that. I'm going to beg an exception on the jersey front because there's a Georgia kicker named Jack Ham and I just like, I have to go with it. But on the.

[Buck Sexton]

You're also, by the way, hold on. Females can get away with wearing any jerseys that they want. This is specifically designed for men, grown men wearing kids jerseys. Unless it's your own son and you have the same name and he's on the team. Is I think weird.

[Alex Berenson]

Yeah.

[Mary Katharine Ham]

As for this viral video, that man's behavior is trash. It is trash. He. He gets in there so quick and grab this hat from this kid and he does it very on purpose, and he hands it off and hides it from the kid very quickly. There. He has an accomplice, I think there's like this lady next to him. And that is trash behavior. And you are putting yourself above children and you are using your advanced wits and. And motor skills to best them to this hat. And it is just a sad, sad look for you.

[Alex Berenson]

The.

[Mary Katharine Ham]

The hat was clearly meant for the child. Get out of there, wait your turn. Let every child that is in the front row go before you at the very least before you step in there.

[Clay Travis]

Now, your podcast, Mary Catherine and Carol's podcast. Carol Markowitz and Mary Kathryn Ham do a podcast together normally on the Clay and Buck Network. You're hitting your 100th episode coming up on September 2nd. How's it been doing the show so far? What's the feedback been like from your listeners? And when are Clay and I going to come on and mansplain feminism to feminists? Not you. But as a general thing, we've been talking about how this would be helpful.

[Mary Katharine Ham]

Oh, my gosh, we have so much fun. And would you believe that between us with the seven children, we have still produced 100 episodes on time for all of those episodes, we're very proud. We feel like we have a very normie audience, many of whom are moms and parents who write in to tell us. Thank you for just assessing the news without losing your mind. Now, granted, sometimes it's hard to do that. It was harder during the Biden administration when I was losing my mind on the regular. But I think people are looking for news without their blood pressure necessarily going up. If my blood pressure is going up, I want it to be for the dog or I want it to be over that guy with the hat at the US Open who's a jerk. I don't want it necessarily to be driven up while I'm trying to get educated every day. And so we try to keep it between the lanes, but, you know, we also got some weird takes every now and then. That's who we are. And by the way, what.

[Clay Travis]

Can I ask you a question, actually, about that? What is this? What is the take so far on the normally podcast that has. That has been the most controversial that maybe you didn't think was going to be controversial at all?

[Mary Katharine Ham]

Oh, gosh. I have to think about this. I think. I think anytime look, we do some critical of the Trump administration takes. Right. And I think sometimes when we do that, we surprise people. But I think that would be the area where we get feedback. But we often get feedback that's, like, very thoughtful and nice because we cultivate that kind of audience. By the way, I don't believe in mansplaining anyway. I think, like, I'm one of those people who believes when men defend mansplaining, they're definitely. They're basically like, that's how we have a conversation. I'm like, I know. I get it. I get that that's what's happening there, because I grew up with two other brothers.

[Buck Sexton]

You've got, like, you just said, seven between you and Carol. Kids, seriously here, when you see some of the situ. The situation happened in Nashville situation that happened in Minneapolis. We talked about parents, and one conversation, obviously, I think we should have armed security in schools. We've talked a lot about that, but I don't think we talk enough about parents. And if you know your kid has depression issues, which hopefully you would know, or you know your kid has mental health issues, you can strongly believe in Second Amendment rights and also understand that that doesn't mean that every single person in your household should have access to firearms terms. I wish we talked more about, like, I look at that kid's picture and I'm like, this is not a person who is in mental health, you know, good position. I don't see how mom and dad could not know that. Right. We should talk, I think, more about parenting aspects here and what we should expect parents to do.

[Mary Katharine Ham]

Yeah. If that young man. Young man specifically, is in your home, you have to have an inkling that this is going very much off the rails and you need to keep such things away from him. We also have an issue, I think, where we used to have a way of dealing with adults with very, very severe mental illness and psychosis, and they would have places that you could go for that. As a parent of an adult child, trying to get that kid to take medication or to go to see whatever therapist he needs to see becomes very difficult, particularly if you're a woman with a son who can overpower you. Like, this is a very tricky situation. But I do think parents have to take responsibility for the fact that they need to know what's going on with those kids if. Especially if they're in their same house, I mean, which is. Which was the situation here. And it would also help if the press would just refer to the guy as a guy and Stop pretending that a woman committed this crime. It's crazy what they're doing.

[Clay Travis]

It's amazing. I just saw this actually Mary Katherine NBC News headline and it just goes in the whole story.

[Buck Sexton]

She, she, she, she.

[Clay Travis]

The Democrats have not learned their lesson on this at all. In fact, they're doubling and tripling and quadrupling down.

[Mary Katharine Ham]

No, they really haven't. And by the way, they really haven't. And by the way, I don't appreciate them messing up women's mass shooting stats. Okay, like we are not blamed for this one. But it's just the media is supposed to make it easier to understand what happened. And I know that we lost that ability a long time ago. That value was lost some time ago. But in situations like this, and particularly on trans stuff, the way that they word stuff is so dependent on an ideology and has nothing to do with helping you understand the facts on the ground. And it's just disgraceful. It's anti journalism. It is the exact opposite of what you are taught to do if you are in some way trained to be a journalist. But now they're taught to do this and it's just poison.

[Buck Sexton]

What is George's record going to be this year?

[Mary Katharine Ham]

Oh, it's going to be perfect.

[Alex Berenson]

Perfect.

[Mary Katharine Ham]

See, I'm such a homer. You can't even ask me that stuff. You can't even ask me. It's, it's pathetic.

[Buck Sexton]

Do you have games on the schedule like that you're going to try to go to? Because I'm going to be at FSU Alabama this weekend. I've never been to Tallahassee. Can't wait to check it out. You've got an absolute brood. So it becomes difficult, I know, for a lot of people to move the whole apparatus with seasons and everything else. Will you try to get your whole family to games or no?

[Mary Katharine Ham]

So what usually happens is that once every four years or so I'll get all the kids to a game and in the interim either I will go or my husband and I will go together. I did take on one occasion. You'll be proud. On one occasion, right after I gave birth to my third child, she was a month old and I was like, I got to go to a dogs game because this is the year we're going to win the natty. And we indeed, we indeed did. So I was like, I got to get them all there so I can say they saw the dogs play. That year I took three children on a 12 hour road trip to watch the dogs. Dogs with a one month old and yes, that was crazy. And yes, it was worth it.

[Buck Sexton]

That's awesome. I'm taking my boys. I know all of them. At least that's the plan to the Tennessee Georgia game in Knoxville on September 13, where Tennessee is going to finally end the losing streak to your Georgia Bulldogs, ensuring that they are not in fact, undefeated. Mary Kathryn Ham where can people find your content? You do great stuff in the podcast. You're on Fox News regularly. You write on occasion for Outkick. Where would you tell people if they're enjoying this to find you?

[Mary Katharine Ham]

Just look at me @mk Hammer on Twitter, @NK Hammer time on Instagram if you want and you can find me on normally podcast and you should.

[Buck Sexton]

Awesome. Appreciate you. Have a good weekend.

[Mary Katharine Ham]

Thank you very much, guys. Have a good football weekend.

[Buck Sexton]

Amen. I can't wait. That is Mary Kathryn Ham, I want to tell you, look, if you're out there right now and you are worried, so far, knock on wood, we have not had significant issues with hurricanes so far this year. We're about to be into September into October. The danger can continue to be out there. Maybe you're in a place where you don't even think, like western North Carolina, that you need to be concerned about hurricanes and then boom, it happens. Maybe you want to have something that can be charged for up to five days that will be able to take advantage of any cell phone network anywhere that is able to work. That is what Rapid Radios does. It is their business. And right now you can get 60 off plus free UPS shipping from Michigan. Use code radio for an extra 5% off. That is rapidradios.com code radio. You know where we use these last fall? Gonna give my wife credit. We took the boys to a college football game. If you sometimes go to these big events, could be a state fair, could be a college football game where tons of people are in a relatively small area. You probably have seen sometimes cell phone networks get overloaded and then maybe one person happens to have a network that's working. Rapid Radios will work around to find that network that works. So you could use these on a trip to a college football game, for instance, this fall. Check them out. Rapidradios.com 60% off, free UPS shipping from Michigan. That's Rapidradios.com code radio. Keep up with the biggest political comeback in world history on the Team 477 podcast. Clay and Buck highlight Trump replays from the week, Sundays at noon Eastern. Find it on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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