Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Dec 10 2025

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Daily Review with Clay and Buck – Dec 10, 2025
Date: December 10, 2025
Podcast: iHeartPodcasts

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Overview:

On this Wednesday edition, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton deliver spirited, opinionated discussion of current headlines: the politics of gender and masculinity, viral left- and right-wing culture moments, immigration policy controversies, economic anxieties, and a new Australian social media law for minors. With humor and candor, they tackle the ideological clash between conservatism and progressivism, especially as it plays out in American cultural and political life.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Masculinity, Gender Roles, and Political Messaging

• Clay Travis opens by mocking Democrat Tim Walz’s recent comments about masculinity and GOP criticism, referencing Walz’s claim that Republicans are “intimidated” by his masculinity ([07:04]).
  • Clay Travis: “Tim Walz is a lesbian woman’s idea of a man that will appeal to men … They put him in a Carhartt and boots and gave him a gun … see, this is a normal guy! … But normal guys don’t think that dudes with penises should be in women’s locker rooms.” ([07:04])
• Buck critiques how the modern Democratic Party’s stance on “toxic masculinity” and gender issues alienates ordinary men.
• Both hosts lament a decline in traditional gender roles and link it to falling birth rates and societal “population collapse.”
  • Clay Travis: “Men should be masculine, women should be feminine, and we shouldn’t confuse the two. That’s actually a very good thing.” ([14:15])
• Buck uses an anecdote with his son to illustrate traditional gender roles: “At nighttime, duty speed calls out for mama … but if something goes crash, bang, in the middle of the night, dad grabs his Glock 19 to check it out—gender roles are a good thing.” ([15:01])

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2. Viral Culture Wars: Women in Sports & Political Correctness

• Clay and Buck discuss tennis player Aryna Sabalenka becoming a public face for defending women’s sports from male inclusion.
  • Buck: “Of the top 10 female highest paid athletes in the world, eight are tennis players … it’s actually a great sport to watch for learning, even for men.” ([04:57])

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3. Affordability, the Economy, and Trump’s Messaging

• Buck turns to Trump’s “affordability tour” event in Pennsylvania and talks about economic pain points—especially gas prices—likely to define the upcoming campaign ([22:31]).

  • Plays a Trump rally clip criticizing Ilhan Omar and touching on immigration and welfare fraud ([22:31]).
  • Donald Trump (clip): “[Ilhan Omar] comes to our country and is always complaining … She married her brother to get in, right? … She does nothing but complain.” ([22:31])

• Buck and Clay argue that the "public charge" rule intended to prevent immigrants likely to become welfare dependent is being widely ignored, citing viral statistics:

  • Clay: “81% of Somali families in Minnesota are on welfare. That should be a zero percent immigrant welfare situation in this country.” ([24:32])

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4. Viral Left-wing Criticism & Response to Charlie Kirk’s Widow

• Clay and Buck respond to attacks on Erica Kirk, widow of slain conservative activist Charlie Kirk, after progressive podcaster Jennifer Welch calls her a “grifter” ([37:54]).

  • Jennifer Welch (clip): “She is a grifter. Just look at the costume changes, look at the affect … She is an absolute grifter, just like Donald Trump and just like her unrepentant, racist, homophobic husband was.” ([37:54])
  • Clay Travis: “If someone killed me … I hope my wife would be an eloquent voice for the arguments I was making. Erica Kirk is trying to ensure her husband did not die in vain. It’s the opposite of being a grifter; it’s selfless.” ([40:12])
  • Buck: Welch is “the ultimate Democrat female in 2025 … a deeply sad, unscrupulous, and narcissistic human being.” ([39:00])

• They commend Senator John Fetterman for defending Erica Kirk against such attacks ([36:28]).

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5. Australian Social Media Ban for Minors & U.S. Policy Implications

• Buck hands off to Clay to discuss Australia’s major new policy: banning children under 16 from social media ([53:16]).

  • Clay strongly supports such age restrictions in the U.S., equating social media’s impact on kids to the era when smoking was normalized before known risks.
    • Clay Travis: “I think we’re going to look back on much of social media as a modern-day equivalent to smoking.” ([53:33])
    • “If you can eliminate that standard, kids have to go back to face-to-face interaction … overwhelmingly, mental health would get better. I just, I think it’s a no brainer.” ([54:19])

• Both note rising mental health and safety issues linked to early social media use, including “sextortion” scams leading to teen suicides.

  • Buck: “I’m in favor of the death penalty for people who do this to kids. … It’s so evil, I would set them up in front of a firing squad and not lose a second of sleep.” ([60:25])

• Clay: If usage is universally restricted, parental discipline is easier. “The biggest problem is when the standard is every other kid is on social media and you don’t allow your kid on. If the standard is nobody, then there will be far fewer kids that are getting on social.” ([62:22])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Clay Travis (re: Tim Walz):
  “Tim Walz is a lesbian woman’s idea of a man that will appeal to men.” ([07:04])

• Buck Sexton:
  “To be in good standing with the Democrat Party, you have to take positions that normal masculine men find preposterous, demeaning, and abhorrent.” ([08:33])

• Clay Travis:
  “It’s actually good to get married in your 20s if you’re a girl. It’s actually good to have children in your twenties if you are female. Men, we have the luxury of being morons for a long time because of biology.” ([12:16])

• Donald Trump (on Ilhan Omar):
  “She comes to our country and she’s always complaining … She married her brother to get in, right? … She does nothing but complain.” ([22:31])

• Clay Travis (on immigrant welfare):
  “81% … Basically everyone listening to us in Minnesota right now—explain to me how bringing all of these Somalis in … has basically created a huge safety net for people that have no love for your country, and frankly, limited to no benefit to the state of Minnesota. This is just a lie we've been told.” ([29:32])

• Buck Sexton (on sextortion):
  “If you engage in sextortion, which is what they call these crimes against children: death penalty. Take them out.” ([60:44])

• Clay Travis:
  “No person on the planet is dumber and more filled with self confidence than teenage boys. … There is no gap between reality versus expectation than a 14, 15, 16-year-old boy.” ([63:32])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Thanks to Birmingham, show open: [02:36]
• Tim Walz’s masculinity talk/Democratic gender politics: [05:58]–[15:39]
• Women in tennis/Pay and global popularity: [04:57]–[05:53]
• Population and marriage age rant: [12:16]–[15:39]
• Ilhan Omar welfare stats/Immigration debate: [22:31]–[30:55]
• Gas prices and economic anxiety, Trump rally: [32:00]–[34:24]
• Attacks on Erica Kirk (widow of Charlie Kirk): [37:54]–[47:25]
• Australian social media ban for kids, pros and cons: [53:16]–[64:52]
• Sextortion scams & child safety: [59:11]–[61:38]
• Audience call-in, parental responsibility debate: [66:27]

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Conclusion

With a blend of cultural critique and sharp political commentary, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton dissect the day’s most contentious headlines through a conservative lens, emphasizing the dangers of abandoning traditional roles and the costs—social, economic, and generational—of progressive policies. The episode’s dialogue provides a current snapshot of the American Right’s concerns heading into 2026, mixing outrage with humor for their dedicated audience.

Transcript

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[Clay Travis]

U N D welcome in Wednesday Edition Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. I appreciate everyone out there hanging with us and I would like to say thank you to our affiliate here in Birmingham, Alabama. I am down to speak this evening and I am looking forward to speaking to hundreds of our listeners a little bit later this evening. But I also appreciate the fact that we have a monster audience here. We're often number one in this marketplace. And so thank you to everyone that's making that happen all over the country, but particularly today for everyone in the Birmingham, Alabama area. All right, Buck, we got a lot to dive into. Our good friend Jasmine Crockett is officially under. Sorry. Is officially underway in her campaign for the Senate in Texas. There are reports that there was a deluge of fake support motivated by Republican activists who were praying that she would think it was real and decide to enter the race. We will have some fun with that. Susie Wiles, President Trump's chief of staff, weighing in. As the president hit the road in Pennsylvania and began to make the case for why you should support his agenda in 2026 and why you should vote for Republicans. We will discuss that. We finally had a super powerful positive women's athlete, in fact the number one tennis player in the world. I might mispronounce her name because I will confess that I am not a huge women's. Is it Ariana Sabalenka? Did I get that right?

[Buck Sexton]

Ariana Sabalenka.

[Clay Travis]

Okay. She has absolutely teed off on the idea she's the world's number one tennis player. She is absolutely teed off on the idea that there should be any men involved in women's athletics at all. And that sounds something that is very common sense. But I, I think she probably is. Has become the most famous women's athlete, certainly the most famous current women's athlete to have spoken out about this. She is the world' number one tennis player. We may talk about that, but I thought we could have some fun. This has gone viral. It was out for a little while. Did I pronounce one right?

[Buck Sexton]

One quick thing from the tennis world. I thought so. Interesting. Of the top 10 female highest paid athletes in the world, this was just. I saw this in the last week and I thought of you, Mr. Sports.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

I think eight of them are female tennis players, which tells you something about the global popularity of women's tennis. It's actually a great sport if you're a, if you're a high level men's tennis player, watching the women is actually better for you because you're never going to serve like those guys. But you can learn more from the pace of women's professional tennis.

[Clay Travis]

Anyway, I also, by the way, not that I'm very good at tennis at all. I would rather watch a three set tennis match at most than a five set tennis match just because I don't want to watch a four hour sporting event if I don't have to. So I actually prefer that they get done in in three sets. But so we will talk a little bit about that. Buck, remember 103 mile an hour serve, he doesn't need to watch women's tennis players, you know what I'm saying? He has such a one of three, baby.

[Buck Sexton]

The women serve like 120. But we don't have to talk about that right now. It's okay.

[Clay Travis]

Speaking of masculine, Tim Walls, this has gone viral in the last couple of days. Evidently Tim Walls was on with with Gavin Newsom on that podcast that Gavin Newsom does and he decided to weigh in on masculinity and he said that the reason why he gets so much criticism from Republicans is because they are intimidated by his masculinity. This is real. Now to be fair, this was from March, but this is Tim Walls talking about what a man he is listening. This notion of toxicity and masculinity needs to be separated and I think it's been conflated and I think we're going to have to work on that a little bit. And I think there's. Look, there is a crisis. Some of us scare. I think I scare them a little bit. Why they spend so much time on. No, I'm serious. Because I can fix a truck. They know I'm not bullshit on this. I'm not putting this in people's grill. I don't know if my identity is not hunting, my identity is not football coaching. My identity is not know a beard in a truck.

The this is again, I've said this before but I think it, I think I wrote it in my book. Tim Walls is a lesbian woman's idea of a man that will appeal to men. And Democrats are aware that they have an issue with male voters. But Buck, they lack the ability to just be normal dudes to such an extent that they end up picking guys like Tim Walls who they think we made fun of this for all last year. But they put him in a car heart and they put him in boots and they gave him a gun and they had him walk around and they were like oh see this is a normal guy and he's not a normal guy because normal guys don't think that dudes with penises should be in women's locker rooms and they don't believe that women are actually men and they don't understand even how to talk to men.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, this is exactly the point, though. To be in good standing with the Democrat Party, you have to. Now, people say, well, what about, like, there are a lot of, you know, masculine, particularly like masculine black men who are Democrats, and they're. Yeah, they don't talk about the trans issue publicly.

[Clay Travis]

They also don't actually pay attention to what Democrats say today. They're sort of vestigial Democrats because from the 90s and the early 2000s, but not for money.

[Buck Sexton]

My point here is, is like, you know.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

Like, there are a lot of, like, you know, NBA players who I'm sure, like, came out for Kamala and were big, you know, Democrat voters. They're not big on the trans issue, though.

[Clay Travis]

Right.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, you know, you start to break down the Democrat coalition very quickly and see that if you're going to be somebody who is on board with the Democrat agenda in public, you're going to have to take positions that normal masculine men find preposterous, find demeaning, find abhorrent. Right? A whole range of things. Like a normal man hears, hey, I think that 12 year olds should start to get hormones because they come home from school one day and say, I'm not a boy. I'm actually a girl. A normal dad who's like a dad. Dad hears that and goes, you're 12 years old. This is insane. What's going on here. The science behind this is completely. I mean, the science actually shows it's a horrible idea. But put that aside. Normal men hear that. They say this. Normal men hear things like toxic masculinity and inherently cringe because they go, really? Toxic masculinity is actually just undermining masculinity because what you're doing is setting up a paradigm where nothing can be good that is masculine. The only things that are actually singular to masculinity are bad things. Right? Because, Clay, if I said, what's good masculinity? You saw, this was probably the best known exchange I had on that. That. That Bill Maher appearance, which, by the way, the reason I've mentioned a few times is because it was fun. I got to go on a Democrat show in front of a Democrat audience and basically spike the football before Trump's election on all of this. And everything was true and now they've had to admit it.

[Clay Travis]

All right?

[Buck Sexton]

So it was like a particular moment, but I said, so you can't say masculinity is courage. Because then feminists and left wingers go, what? About courageous women. And it's like, so nothing is allowed to be specifically masculine. That is good. Normal guys see that. They think that's absurd. You go down this list of stuff, by the way. Masculine men don't think that criminals should be able to hurt people, women, children, old people and get away with it. Masculine men hear that and they're like, I want to go kick someone's ass. And you know, if you're a Democrat, if you're a Democrat, you have to do the whole like, well, maybe the 70th time you got arrested was when you were ready for reform. This is why, Clay, to your point, of course, this is what has happened. And Democrats are just trying to pretend like this isn't the obvious reality.

[Clay Travis]

I spend a ton of time thinking about this because it troubles me. It troubles me because if you look at population collapsing, what is. Let's take a step back. What is ultimate success between men and women when it comes to our interactions in our race relationships? It's children, right? That is the ultimate success story. Now, I understand some of you have incredibly loving marriages and you never had children. And I'm not demeaning that. I'm just saying the ultimate goal of our species is that we have to have children to propagate the species. We're failing at that. We are failing as a society in the most civilized, the most brilliant historical record countries. And they're very different, whether it's Japan or Italy and now in the United States, certainly in Britain, Germany, like you just run through the list. We're failing at producing more children than existed before us. And that is not a good thing. It's actually potentially going to lead to serious civilizational issues.

[Buck Sexton]

I think, Clay, that you're mansplaining and leaving out all of the intersex and non binary individuals who have also chosen not to have children because of climate anxiety. So really, we need to be more inclusive of their multiple psychoses.

[Clay Travis]

And by the way, one of the challenges here is, I was reading yesterday, I believe the average age for marriage is now over 30. Let me make a PSA here. That's fine for dudes. Women, you should be getting married way younger. And I'm not trying to set anybody off on a full panic, but this whole idea that women should be the same as men. There are a lot of moron guys out there that suddenly looked around at 45 or 50 or even 55 and said, hey, you know what? I'd really like to have kids that still had the ability to do it. There's a lot of women that get to that age and they say, but wait, I went to grad school. I did everything. I was a girl boss. I did everything that society told me I should do. And I passed up on marriage because I couldn't find Mr. Right. And I was so focused on my career. I don't think the aspiration of anyone, male or female, should be to desperately claw their way to middle management and at the expense of having children. And so I think we've sold a bill of goods here. And if I had daughters, I'd be talking to them about this. It's actually good to get married in your 20s if you're a girl. It's actually good to have children in your twenties if you are female. Men, we have the luxury of being morons for a long time because of biology. But this idea men are going to get married at 32 or 33 or 45 or 50 or whatever it is. No, I feel like no one tells women this. And then you go and you get, you know, get your advanced degree and you bust your ass in a law firm for five or six years or you're a, you know, doctor or a architect or whatever supreme achievement you have, and then you have a great deal of difficulty. They call it after 35 buck, you know what they call it? A geriatric pregnancy.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, I know.

[Clay Travis]

I don't think of people as 35 years old as being old. Most of you don't either. But biologically, you're starting to get old. It becomes more difficult. So anyway, I'm fired up about this because it's becoming a bigger issue every year. Men and women are not getting along. Men should be masculine, women should be feminine, and we shouldn't confuse the two. And that's actually a very good thing. And the fact that Democrats can't get this right, I think culturally is why they've lost men. And I think increasingly women are getting angry at what they see as what they've been sold versus the reality. It ain't that good to be a girl boss and be in middle management when you're 58 years old. I'm telling you. I bet a lot of people end up regretting that choice.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, there, there are differences with the genders. You know, at nighttime, duty speed calls out for mama. That's his favorite word. He wants his mommy. That's his favorite person in the whole world. That is the person closer to him than any other. And that's the way that it's supposed to be. If something goes Crash, bang, whatever. In the middle of the night, dad, dad grabs his Glock 19 and goes to check it out and see what the heck is going on downstairs, right? Gender roles are a good thing in many, many cases.

[Clay Travis]

Almost all cases. Almost all cases. There's a reason gender roles exist pretty much.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, there's a whole, you know, anyway, this is a big discussion, but it's just funny that Tim, Tim Walls is still. He could tell, he's really sore about that thing. He thought his ace up the sleeve was like, got my Carhartt jacket on. I'm going to go, you know, shoot.

[Clay Travis]

Some they tried to call him, remember when they introduced him at the Democrat National Convention? They didn't call him Governor Walls, they called him Coach Walls. So they thought they were going to Friday Night Lights. Eric Taylor himself, everybody was going to come around and this guy with spirit fingers walking around awkwardly doing leg kicks. Most dudes were not. That's like most guys were thinking, we're not.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, I actually respect you.

[Clay Travis]

I'd like jazz hands.

[Buck Sexton]

Like that was the most interesting thing that, you know, his jazz hands was a level of creativity that I was not expecting for.

[Clay Travis]

To be fair to him, by the way, for his age, his leg high kicks were actually fairly, fairly impressive. He'd be a great Tim Walsh.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Buck Sexton]

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A candle on the menorah or placing baby Jesus in the Nativity, we hope your holiday is full of grace, wonder and love.

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

Clay, put a pin in it because we've promised this for days. We will talk about the Australia social media ban for kids, which which is the lead story on FOX News right now. I'm sure a lot of you are going to have thoughts on this one. I very much I've already been thinking about how I'm going to handle this issue as my little boy gets older. And I, I want to keep them as much in the real world. I want to keep my son as much in the real world and delay the virtual world as long as I can. That's my and Clay, I know you've done. Anyway, I, I don't want to get ahead of it because we're going to dive into it producer alley if I start, if we start blabbing about Clay's rose, just be like, no, throw a flag. We have to talk Australia social because we promised we would talk about that. Okay. So that's going to happen. We will get to at this hour. You can send us your thoughts and talk backs in the meantime on it. And then at the very end, we'll get to some of those A few things going on here. One is Trump is recognizing already the Democrats are going to run on this affordability issue because a lot of people are very frustrated about the economy. And that's real, that's out there. And you got to deal with it. You have to deal with it on the messaging front. You also have to deal with it on the numbers. Now, it was interesting. Uncle Bill yesterday was with us, Bill O'Reilly, Clay and he seemed, from what I could gather, to think that to say that, yeah, there's some stuff that's expensive, but also some of this is perception driven. And you know, the Democrats are fomenting discontent to the degree they can with this affordability issue. We'll get into this. But Trump was at a rally in Pennsylvania specifically on this issue of affordability. And because it's Trump, there were a lot of things that were covered, including this Ilhan Omar rant, which is cut to which I think you should all hear.

[Donald Trump]

I love this Ilan Omar, whatever the hell her name is. With a little shoe, little turban. I love her. She comes in, there's nothing. But she's always complaining. She comes from a country where, I mean, it's considered about the worst country in the world, right? They have no military, they have no nothing. They have no parliament. They don't know what the hell the word parliament means. They have nothing. They have no police. They police themselves. They kill each other all the time. I love it. She comes to our country and she's always complaining about the constitution allows me to do this. We ought to get her to hell out. She married her brother in order to get in, right? She married her brother. Can you imagine if Donald Trump married his sister? Beautiful. She's a beautiful person. If I married my sister to get my citizenship, do you think I'd last for about two hours or would it be something less than that? She married her brother to get in, therefore she's here illegally. She should get the hell out, throw the hell out. She does nothing but complain.

[Buck Sexton]

Clay, this got a lot of attention. We will get into some of the actual economic policy and affordability stuff. But Ilhan Omar, interesting. She's getting so much more heat these days than aoc, another member of the so called squad.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, look, and you can say, oh, that's not the best way to focus attention. I just shared this. This is from In Wokeness. Great account to follow on Twitter. According to their analysis, this graphic that they shared. Here's a question for you, Buck. What percentage of Somali families in Minnesota are on welfare?

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, 60. I mean, 60. 70, I would guess 81%. 70 wasn't bad.

[Clay Travis]

81.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, it's good.

[Clay Travis]

Very high. But so here's a. I mean, like, leave aside anybody from any country, how in the world have we created an immigration system by which anyone that we bring into the country at all should ever be able to go on welfare? I'm sorry, if you are an American citizen, as virtually everybody listening to this show is right now, why should our taxpayer dollars in any way go to immigrants who come to this country and immediately go on welfare? I mean, I don't even understand how this is a Republican, Democrat or independent issue. It should be 100% of Americans say, yeah, that's wrong. If we, if we need to support American citizens, that's people who are born in the United States with welfare, to help people get back on their feet, to help the families have more success. And that is the decision that I think is one that charity we have, we have made now, is the welfare system abused? Could it be more efficiently run? All of these things are true. There should be a zero percent immigrant welfare situation in this country. That's 81%. Data point shared by end wokeness under.

[Buck Sexton]

The Immigration and Nationality act, under existing federal statute, there's something called the public charge rule where for anyone who is supposed to be. And this is for legal immigrants to be clear, for legal immigrants, for anyone who is a prospective legal immigrant into America, this is the law, I am telling you right now. They are supposed to assess whether this person will be. Is likely to become dependent on government aid in the future. And if the answer is yes, they are not supposed to be allowed to immigrate to America. So understand that the law says they're supposed to be assessing. Are you probably going to need welfare? If the answer is yes, you don't get to come and stay here. And yet 80% of Somali immigrant families to Minnesota. 80%, 8 out of 10 are getting welfare. What this tells you is that they are just ignoring what the law is. And I'm talking about the system, the immigration system that we have. Law is ignored. People are allowed in. We can all tell they're going to need welfare. They're scamming the American people, not just the Somalis. I'm talking about the people that have been running our immigration system and a lot of Republicans too. This is a bipartisan scam, my friends, that has been run. How many people even know about the public charge rule? Clay? How often do you see this talked about on cnn?

[Clay Travis]

Never. Never.

[Buck Sexton]

There's supposed to assess. That should be a blanket. No. You're going to need, you're going to need welfare. Sorry, not allowed to come to America. I don't care how sad you are, how teary eyed you are, because we're not the words. We're not the world's soup kitchen.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, look, and I understand if you say that should never happen and it happens 10% of the time, you would say, you know what, there's a rounding error there. We're not going to be perfect in analyzing people's ability to make a move like this. It might happen sometimes. 81%, if it's over 50, the default should be. No one from those countries is allowed to immigrate here. I'm sorry. Because you, if you're flipping a coin on whether or not we're going to have to provide state federal resources for people from American taxpayers to come to our country, what this is, this is bonkers. Okay? And so if it's at 81%, it basically means that almost everybody coming from that country is going to immediately use up our taxpayer dollars in order to live here. What are we doing?

[Buck Sexton]

How?

[Clay Travis]

I would love to see this broken down by country of origin, because I would think you could basically look at it. I would bet that there is a 5% use of welfare. If you're coming from Sweden to the United States, if you're coming to Japan, from Japan to the United States, if you're coming from. I mean, we can just look at the list. That's the people we should be bringing.

[Buck Sexton]

I would wager that less than 1% of Taiwanese Americans are on welfare. Less than 1% of Taiwanese American immigrants. They tend to be at the very, very top of the, you know, income scale. We went over, remember we talked about this yesterday and the people want to say, are you being racist? Nigerian Americans are doing great. Nigerian Americans, immigrants from Nigeria are about 80k. A household doing very nicely, some people are saying very nicely, they're doing. Somali Americans are at 40. Something's going on there. It's cultural, it's the community. It's what the expectations are for the new arrivals. It's what the community that's there is pushing.

[Clay Travis]

Also your ability to actually have skill set to make you a strong member of the American workforce. Do you speak the language? Do you have education? Look, I mean, you guys all know this. There are people who have had extremely high level jobs in other countries that come here and have to drive taxi cabs around, have to run gas stations, have, you know, a lot of achievement in other countries. They come here, they have to start at the floor. But they have a skill set that allows them to be able to make a living and a work ethic that is second to none that will allow them to have success. 81%. 81%. Basically everyone listening to us in Minnesota right now. Explain to me how bringing all of these Somalis in, that has meant that your tax dollars go to non American citizens to immediately basically create a huge safety net for people that have no love for your country, no recognition of its excellence in and frankly limited to no benefit to the state of Minnesota. This is just a lie we've been being told and most people are not even looking at the data. To me, it's just, if you can't come to this country and avoid going on welfare, to your point, Buck, it is the law, then how are we not applying it? How are we not limiting people from these countries when they're immediately arriving here and taking advantage.

Of our Goodwill.

[Buck Sexton]

I just think the public charge rules is one of the best examples, though, of they've been lying to you about immigration for decades now. They don't want people to know what the law even is because they use those laws to get things passed at the time. Oh, we're going to have a public charge rule. Oh, but we're going to increase the H1BS in this country. At the same time, they use these things to throw people off so they don't know what's really happening. And to your point about the 81%, clay, that means that the exception is Somali immigrants to this country who aren't on welfare, who aren't just taking from the public treasury. And we're not even talking about the fraud stuff. Well, we have talked about that, but I'm saying that's in addition to all of this. But let's just go for a second here. I know this is a little bit of a hard term. We have a little time on this one because we have to talk Australia, social media stuff because everyone's fired up about it. Trump talking about the economy.

Here he is on. Gosh, we have, we have. Here he is talking about gas. Cut, cut five. Play this one.

Please.

No.

[Clay Travis]

Well, we're right now drilling more oil.

[Donald Trump]

Than we've ever done ever before. Prices are way down. We just had four states. It was just reported that four states had $1.99 a gallon. Where's Saul moving.

[Buck Sexton]

Clay, there's a whole hit list here of no tax on tips of the farmers of all these things so we can get into some of this. But Trump is out there telling everybody, I understand you're being told the economy is really bad and some things are pinched, the prices are high because of bidenflation, but we're doing good things. And he's trying to remind everybody of that.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, look. And price of oil and gas is one of the places that people go to the most to think about cost of goods. Again, I can't speak to everyone's price of gas everywhere in the country, but this morning on my drive down, I stopped to fill up my gas tank. $2.50 a gallon. Okay, between 10 Nashville, where I live, and Birmingham, Alabama, I stopped just a little ways outside of Nashville. $2.50 a gallon.

That is, if you adjust for inflation, probably a record low price in most of our lives when it comes to how much it costs to fill up for gas. Now, some of you are gonna say, wait a minute, Clay, I'm saying adjusting for inflation because unfortunately, Joe Biden drove the cost of everything up 25% at least over the last several years. So we're now at four year lows, dollar to dollar, adjusted for inflation. I think gas at 250 a gallon, what I just paid for, I think that's probably the cheapest gas has ever been in my life. And I mean that again, adjusted for inflation. And some of you out there are going to say, well, I was a nickel, you know, okay, well, I don't know how that would have cost back in 1942 when you were paying a nickel a gallon or whatever the heck it was, but in my life, $2.50 adjusted, best price for gas that I can ever remember seeing as a function of inflation. That'd actually be a good graphic. Maybe one of our team can figure that out. Maybe Chat, GPT or, or GROK can tell you. In fact, I'll do that during the break, right after I tell you about Cozy Earth. I told you this story. It's 100% true. Over Thanksgiving, we're watching college football, we're watching NFL games. My sister comes over and she sits down on the couch, she covers herself up a little bit.

[Buck Sexton]

Cool.

[Clay Travis]

Covers herself up with the Cozy Earth blanket. And within 15 minutes she had gone on cozyeart.com and, and bought her own blanket. And then she told me, she's like, oh man, this blanket's unbelievable. I said, it's cozier. I said, you use my code. She said, oh, I didn't know you had code. I said, yeah, well, 40% off if you use code, Clay. Not good. And then she went on and she bought my mom one and she bought another for her house because this is the most comfortable, warmest cover you can find. The bubble cuddle blanket. It is unbelievable. It's awesome. You get a hundred night trial, ten year warranty. We also sleep on these bamboo sheets. They are unbelievable. Cozyearth.com in time for the holidays. Cozyearth.com my name Clay. Make sure to order by Friday for guaranteed Christmas delivery. It's Wednesday. All you slackers out there, sorry. Buck was telling Christmas gift stories from back in his childhood. You don't want to be stopping to buy Christmas gifts on Christmas Eve.

[Buck Sexton]

Hey Bucko, you like this black leather belt I got you? Yeah, dad, it looks like the one you got me last year and the year before that.

[Clay Travis]

Papa Sexton coming in for some friendly fire there. Give the gift, get hooked up today. Cozyearth.com My name Clay. For 40% off, that's cozyearth.com My name clay. 40% off. Order by Friday. Get hooked up. The product's amazing. 40% off. C, O, Z. Yes, E, A, R, T, H. That's cozyeart.com code Clay, you don't know what you don't know, right? But you could on the Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck podcast, Clay Travis with the Clay and Buck show. Wishing you and your family a very merry Christmas and a happy New Year. Welcome back in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton show. Appreciate all of you rolling with us through, through the Wednesday edition of the program.

Couple of things that are out there. I'm looking right now. We're gonna have Erica Kirk on the show on Friday. It has been 90 days, Buck, since there was the assassination of Charlie Kirk. I bring that up because so many of the attacks on Erica Kirk have been super nasty. But I have to give credit to of all people, Buck Trump was in Pennsylvania yesterday and John Fetterman tweeted this earlier today. Buck, it's gross and dehumanizing to attack a widow with young children after just witnessing his public assassination. It shouldn't be controversial to put our political views aside and extend the grace for a deeply traumatized family to grieve. He's referring to this audio and some of you say, okay, Clay, you're giving, and I know we talk about this quite a lot, Buck, you're giving attention to people who don't deserve it. And I, I struggle with that sometimes. But this is not a supremely minority view. There are a lot of people out there in this holiday season that are attacking the Kirk family, like Jennifer Welch, super left wing podcaster. Listen to what she said. That is what John Fetterman, credit to him, is responding to.

[Jennifer Welch (left-wing podcaster)]

She's abundantly aware of the, when you talk about women and poverty that black and brown women stick off the charts more so than white women. This is a, an intentional attack on poor women and this is a dehumanization, all done in the name of her Lord and savior, Jesus Christ, which is the exact opposite of what the central character of the faith of Christianity preached against. So this is intentional weaponization of her gender and her faith. And this, she is a grifter. And just look at the costume changes, look at the costume changes, look at the affect and how she does that. It's while this woman should be kicked to the curb, she is an absolute grifter, just like Donald Trump and just like her unrepentant, racist, homophobic husband was.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, I have a few things, a few thoughts on this, on this woman who is getting a lot of attention these days.

She is modern Democrat Party leftism, like built in a laboratory. And she is essentially the ultimate distillation. Like, if you were to come together and really take the id, the ego, the super ego, if you were to look at all of the aspects of the Democrat Party that have risen to the top of their hierarchy and the kind of people who are calling the shots of the Democrat Party, I just want to know this absolutely nasty, ignorant, heinous woman is really the perfect Democrat. Yes, she's actually the, the, the distillation. She is purity. She is the. The ultimate Democrat Female In 2025, going into 2026. So I just think everybody should take, take stock of that from. And her popularity, very rapid popularity speaks to, to. Speaks to that, that reality that she is a very, you know, internally a deeply sad and really unscrupulous and nasty and narcissistic human being.

[Clay Travis]

So I think all that is really well said. I don't think she stands alone. I think it's important to recognize that she is becoming popular for what she's saying. I do think also when you call Erica Kirk a grifter who should be kicked to the curb and then obviously she attacked Charlie, if, and I hope, God forbid, hope it never happens, if someone killed me for something that I was advocating for in public at a public event like this, I would hope that my wife would be an eloquent voice for the arguments that I was making after I was gone. Erica Kirk to me is trying to. It's the opposite of being a grifter. She's trying to ensure that her husband did not die in vain and that the, the things that he believed in and that he stood for are not going to pass with him. So if anything, and I mean this in a very sincere way, she is being selfless. It's the opposite of grifting. To me. Advocating on behalf of your spouse who can no longer advocate for himself is one of the great aspects of marriage that we should all hope that our lives would embody. And if you're, whether you're a husband or a wife, speaking for someone who has lost their life in a violent way and standing up for, for them. It's not just that she's wrong and nasty Buck, it's that even the logic of her argument is refuted. To me, what Erica Kirk is doing is a form of selfless service for her husband's values that otherwise no one else can articulate as well as her. Does that make sense? So it's actually the exact opposite. Even if you want to give this crazy left wing woman the benefit of accepting her argument, she's actually saying not only awful things, but even the logic behind her argument, it's the opposite of what she's saying.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes, I think that's. I think that's all true. And that's why again, the fact that this person has risen so much in popularity. I mean, I will tell you some of the, some of the, the podcast and digital creators that I'm seeing that are. Have grown to the absolute top of the charts.

I think the apocalypse is nigh. I don't know what to tell you. It's a little scary and I won't get into some of this. I'm not even thinking about anybody on the right specifically right now. I'm thinking about some of the ones on the left and one or two that are sort of non political. But I'm like, that's the dumbest that, that woman. Well, now I'm kind of giving away something is.

[Clay Travis]

I'll just say it. I'll take, I'll take the onus.

[Buck Sexton]

No, no, no. I, I'm. You're not thinking of what I'm thinking of. Ok. You're not thinking of what I'm thinking of. I'm thinking of, of somebody who like tells women about how their brain should function and stuff. I'm like, she was on the Bill Maher show.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, I don't even know who that is. I don't even think I do.

[Buck Sexton]

This woman has sold millions of books. She knows nothing. She knows nothing. I do not understand. She's a huge, huge podcast.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, this is. Yeah, I think I do know who she is. Is she the. Is she the Let them chick?

[Buck Sexton]

Yes.

[Clay Travis]

Or is that a different person?

[Buck Sexton]

Yes, she's the Let them check. Yes. Yeah, I've, I've, I've had a few dealings with her before she had this whole thing. She actually tried to do radio for a while. I don't know what to say. Like the popular. I generally celebrate people's popularity like I've always said here. Oh man, like what Rogan built was incredible. And, and you know, we're always very grateful for Rush Limbaugh shoulder, like building the house of talk radio and shouldering that responsibility and burden for 30 years. And I think what people do that's greatly successful. I.

[Clay Travis]

But I want to be able to.

[Buck Sexton]

Celebrate it as something that's worthwhile, even if it's not my thing. You know, people like some of the true crime podcasts. It's not my cup of tea. I don't have time for that stuff, whatever. But I can say they're really well done. They're really engrossing. I've listened to a little bit of them here and there, whatever. But some of the stuff that is getting really like this, this left wing woman, I can't remember her name but one was talking about and this whole like let them theory, this is like.

[Clay Travis]

This is brain damage, this is idiocy.

[Buck Sexton]

I don't know what else to say. I don't know what, what people don't understand.

[Clay Travis]

I don't understand. Like.

I don't understand the idea. And again, you went to Blue sky right after it happened. But I think it's important to stare at it and recognize that not only does it exist, it's not some crazy, outlandish, not responded to in a positive way. Take people on the left, that clip we played of the crazy Jennifer Welch chick. Tons of mostly women because I don't think any men listen to that. Trying to think of a word I can use without getting us in trouble. I don't think that many men listen to that show. Right. There are a ton of left wing women that heard everything she said about Erica Kirk and they were nodding along and they were saying preach. And they.

[Buck Sexton]

That you're reminding me of this too. You know, you mentioned like, what if something terrible and nothing, you're going to be fine. But like theoretically or rather if we're talking about this, something terrible happened to you.

There are a bunch of us who would absolutely obviously me, we do a show together three hours a day. We're co hosts on this show. Would go to the mat and then some against anybody who would attack Laura, attack your legacy. And yeah, and I'm just gonna say it, there are some people who are much closer than. I wasn't close to Charlie. We were friendly. I, you know, I knew him a bit. You know, we really. I knew more like 10 years ago when he first got started. But Charlie and I always got along fine and you know, and I respected a lot of what he had built, but I wasn't. There are people that are really close to Charlie who are letting crazy stuff he said and be said about his wife and be said, you know, and they are silent on this issue. And people can say, well, why aren't you more involved one because like I said, I didn't actually know. I've never met Erica. So I didn't know Charlie that well. So it's, you know, but I'm just Saying, you know, you said, what if something happened to me? I don't know how I'd be able to sleep at night if people were saying crazy stuff about Laura after somebody had taken you out. An assassination, and I'm just sitting there quietly after being your, you know, co host with you.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah. No, but I think that's why it's. That the attack is so unfair to me, because to me, her being a voice as she is in public for Charlie is a form of selflessness. To me, it is what you would hope that your significant other would be trying to do or able to do. And certainly it's a credit to Charlie that his wife is an accomplished. Yeah, but her attack.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, she's. The woman who's attacking her is. Is a psycho. I mean, that's. But I'm. There are people who should be standing up to the psycho and standing up to some of the craziness out there on Charlie's behalf. And like I said, you might. Well, buck. What about you guys? I'm not. Clay and I were not, you know, we weren't going to turning points events. We were not super close to Charlie. Again, friends. We liked him, respect what he did. But there are people who were like, charlie's squad.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

And they're silent on this stuff. And I don't want to call anybody out by name because it's not about that, but I just hope that maybe someone will hear this and be like, come on, man. Look, what do you think this is? Your buddy got taken out, and there's lunacy all over the place, and this woman is going after Charlie's widow, and you're not gonna. You're not gonna take that up. You're not gonna say anything about Speaker 1.

[Clay Travis]

I mean, John Fetterman spoke out. I'm sure Fetterman didn't know Charlie Kirk well, like that.

[Buck Sexton]

Got a copy of your book Balls. Cause Fetterman's got some.

[Clay Travis]

I mean, good for him. But I mean, what is the standard when you're going after widows? And again, I think that she is doing an amazing job speaking out because they tried to keep Charlie from speaking out. And the idea that you would attack her is even. Even by the standards of accepting that there is going to be awfulness out there. Her being attacked to the degree that she is, is. It really has staggered me and the number of people out there we know who celebrated Charlie Kirk's death and now also are calling his widow a grifter who should be kicked to the curb. How dare she? I just it is a sign of a level of awfulness that exists on the left that frankly, I do not believe exist on the right. I don't. I don't think any of you out there if bucks Things have gotten a little crazy lately.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm a little sad about what's going on on the right, but that's another.

[Clay Travis]

Conversation I yeah, well, there's a lot of craziness out there in general. But if an innocent person gets assassinated and then his wife is trying to talk about the things that he cared about, Even if I disagreed with all the politics, I wouldn't be going at. I can't imagine that there would be a similar vein of awfulness directed at the left wing version of Erica Kirk. To the extent that she could exist. I really don't think it would. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it would be just as toxic. I would like to think that that is not true. A year ago this month, producer Ali and I were in Israel with the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews, witnessing firsthand the destruction to the country and our people. Sobering trip. A reminder of why it's so important to support our Jewish friends and allies. Today, the IFCJ is focusing on Ukraine's elderly Jewish residents that desperately need help, especially as winter sets in and war still rages on the the IFCJ is hand delivering boxes of food, emergency lighting and warm blankets. This aid is a life saving gift from the ifcj. The visit from Fellowship staff is also a reminder they're not forgotten through a special matching grant. Your gift today to the IFCJ has twice the impact up to the first $50,000. Don't delay. To rush your gift, call 888-488-IFCJ. That's 888-488-4325. You can also give online@ FellowshipGift.org that's FellowshipGift.org want to be in the know when you're on the go the Team 47 podcast shop highlights from the week, Sundays at noon Eastern in the Clay and Buck podcast feed. Find it on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Buck Sexton]

U N D welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. You know, Clay, I'm just going to hand this off to you because you're, you're very fired up about this Australia thing. I'm not even going to set this one up. I'm going to let you set this one up. Australia. It's just gone into effect. Social media ban for children. Tell everybody what's going on here.

[Clay Travis]

Look, every kid in America is on social media and a lot of them are getting on social media at 10, 11, 12 years old. They're lying about their age. And it has been shown to be incredibly destructive to mental health for so many kids out there. And a Lot of parents, frankly, because social media just exploded in the last several years. They didn't really know what they were doing. I think we're going to look back on much of social media as a modern day equivalent to smoking. Meaning there were huge risk factors that many people undertook without realizing what they were getting into. And so recently schools have decided, hey, you know what, we're not going to make it standard that kids can sit around most schools with their cell phones all day long. And overwhelmingly behavior has gotten better. Kids pay better attention in class, there's less conflict. Um, I think the standard across the United States, every state I think should have the ability to make their own decision on this. But I think a standard of kids aren't allowed on social media until 16 would be healthy. I would support it. And you can say, okay, well kids are still going to cheat and they're going to make fake, you know, accounts and they're going to lie about their ages and all those things. Yeah, I get it. But that happens with everything where you set an age limit. It doesn't mean it's going to be infallible. I think what would be important buck is most kids say now I've got to be on social media because all my friends are on social media. I think if you can eliminate that as a standard act where everybody else's kids aren't on either and kids have to go back to some form of face to face interaction. Remember, they can still text, they can still make phone calls, things like that that, you know, kids I think have been doing for some time. I think overwhelmingly mental health would get better. I just, I think it's a no brainer. I think Australia has got it 100% right. I'm curious what this audience would say. I'm going to actually put up a poll and maybe there's some kids that are already out for Christmas that want to call in and tell me why I'm an old unk and I'm wrong about this, but I would support this for my own kids being kept off social media. We have tried to keep them off social media as long as we can. And look, I've got one that's about to be 16, at least in the near future. I've got one that's 17. So they would probably argue with me. In fact, I know they would. But kids often argue for things that are not in their best interest. And I think a standard rule of 16 and up to get social media, just like you have to generally be 16 to get a driver's license would be a good call. Your kids are young. This will be resolved, I think to a large extent by the time your kids are older. I think for a lot of us out there that are parents around my age, social media just kind of exploded about 2008 and most parents really didn't know what to do with it. I think we're now seeing some of the major deleterious impacts that have occurred and we're responding to it in, in, in late fashion. But I think Australia is right. I would support this nationwide.

[Buck Sexton]

You know, there's multiple levels here of what's going on. There's the safety issue where children are being exposed and I mean actual physical safety, right. As well as psychological safety, but being exposed to predators and all kinds of, you know, very concerning stuff online. Because at some level online is like the wild west, right? It's just you can be talking to somebody, especially with AI now people can be very sophisticated about pretending to be somebody that they're not. And whether it's scammers or predators or a whole, a whole range of nefarious online entities, kids, you have to protect the kids from that stuff. So that's, that's the first and most important line of this I think, is the we got to make sure that your kids aren't being groomed, that the kids aren't being, you know, targeted. And you know, you don't know as a parent, right, because you think, oh, my kids home with me, they're safe. You don't realize that they're making a plan and maybe they're going to lie to you about it. We've all read the stories, we see what goes on. So that part of it, the safety part of it, I'm just all in favor of and, and think it makes a whole lot of sense. And then there's sort of the more social and societal aspect of it where you know, this stuff is, is a giant, generally speaking, it's a giant time waster. And it's something that I think really affects people's ability to not only interact with other human beings live and in person, but, but also I think it's affecting our attention spans in ways that.

[Clay Travis]

Are a big problem.

[Buck Sexton]

I think that people now are being trained, like our brains are all being trained to consume things in 60 or 30 or even 5 second bites of information. And that's actually not a good thing. So I like it on that, on that level as well. I would want children, kids, adolescents to be, you know, to have basically form some level of who they are and some layers of judgment before they are going online. Because the other part of this is too, you know, what's online kind of lasts forever as we know. And I think it's a good thing that if you're having a bad day as a 14 year old, you're not necessarily posting things to a public message board.

[Clay Travis]

Not only that, that you can't be reached by other classmates on social media that everyone can see instantaneously. If you had an awful experience at high school or in middle school when in 1988 you didn't come home and then have everybody talking about it or posting a video of it or constantly denigrating you, I just, this is a no brainer to me. And you mentioned safety. I saw Marsha Blackburn, senator from Tennessee, shared this story. I think it was reported by the New York Post. And this is something I think you should be talking to your kids and grandkids about and something that I talk to my kids about. And if you're young kids out there listening to us right now, you should be aware of it. Boys in particular. Have you seen this awful story about there are a ton of fake accounts pretending to be pretty girls and they jump in the dm, they create these fake profiles. They then reach out to young boys, you know, 14, 15, 16 year old boys and they start trying to talk to them in a sexually suggestive manner and eventually get them to send pictures. And then as soon as the pictures are sent, they demand payment of money or they say they're going to send the pictures to all your friends, all your family. Buck, there are a bunch of kids, teenage boys that have committed suicide over this.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm in favor of the death penalty for people who do this, by the way. I don't, I would, I would set them up in front of a firing squad and not lose a second of sleep or anything else. If you do this to a kid, I like that you deserve, you deserve to be ended. Ended. I think it should be a death penalty offense to do this to children.

[Clay Travis]

Now the problem with that, of course, is that many of these accounts originate in overseas markets.

[Buck Sexton]

I know it's tough to track them down, but I think I know some veterans, I know some people that we could get together with Interpol, we could track these, these pieces of absolute vermin down. And I'm just saying I. This, it's, it's so evil what they do. And I truly mean that. I would be in favor of Congress passing a law that if you, if you engage in sextortion, which is what they call these crimes against, against children, death penalty. Take them out.

[Clay Travis]

I don't have a problem with it at all.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, we're blowing up. We're, we're blowing up the drug, you know, the drug runners.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

So we find somebody internationally, you know, whatever, whatever we got to do, we got to take care of this because this is, it's, it's horrible. There are kids that have committed suicide because of this. It's the most evil thing. And you want this to stop. Let people know we're going to track them down anywhere in the world and they're really going to pay a price on this.

[Clay Travis]

I just put a, posted a poll. I said, I think Australia got it right, by the way. 800-282-28A2. I think a lot of you are going to have strong opinions on this. Katie Miller, who just interviewed Elon Musk, scheduled to join us at the top of the next hour. She's a mom of a bunch of kids. I think she will have a strong take on this. And I want to see. I'm curious. You can go vote in the poll. Do you agree with me that Australia got it right? Do you disagree? Um, and I understand some people are going to say, well, this is what parents need to do, Clay. This is what parenting is all about. Kids in general are way more sophisticated with social media than parents are. And the biggest problem I will tell you that parents are going to have is when the standard is every other kid is on social media and you don't allow your kid on social media, that makes it harder for parents to keep them off. If the standard is nobody is allowed on. Right. If that's the standard, then there will be far fewer kids that are getting on social media. And if you told me right now.

We'Ve got a driver's license, age of 16, that seems reasonable to me. Social media seems akin to driving a car in that you need to have a certain level of maturity to be able to do it because there are, as Buck was just laying out, substantial risk factors associated with a social media account, to say nothing of. We were just talking about sextortion and all the awful things that can happen. But you can just be a moron and you could just do stupid things that get you kicked out of school or cost you college admissions because you were super duper dumb when you were 13 or 14 years old. I always like to say there is no person on the planet that is dumber and more filled with self confidence that they are actually brilliant than teenage Boys, teenage boys are the dumb and you and I have both been them.

[Buck Sexton]

So I, I thought, I thought I was really smart as a teenager and then in my 20s I had a lot of humility heaped on me.

[Clay Travis]

So yeah, the, the 15 and 16 year old boy is the dumbest creature that is convinced it is the smartest creature in the history of mankind. There is no gap in the history of our lives between reality versus expectation of what you think of yourself versus the reality of yourself than a 14, 15, 16 year old boy. I think to the best extent we can protect morons from being morons. And that is pretty much every teenage boy. I always like to say Buck, I've been talking about this for a long time. Difference between teenage boys and teenage girls. No teenage girls final two words are ever. Watch this. Teenage boys are always trying to get attention. They're always trying to impress girls. They're always taking risks and doing stupid, super stupid things. And so this is certainly true for boys. I think for girls it's even scarier in many ways Buck because teenage girls are preyed upon even more than teenage boys and even preteen girls. I mean there are a lot of creeps on social media accounts out there. So I think the standard of 16. We'll take a bunch of your calls. We got loaded lines on this. 800-282-2882. This is a big topic. As Australia's ban has officially gone into place.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

But also a little comic relief, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We have got a ton of you who want to weigh in on a variety of different topics. Let's start here.

Derek in Arizona says it's the parents responsibility. LL I'm 61 years old.

[Buck Sexton]

It's the parents responsibility to regulate their kids. Period. Just like you do your kids.

[Clay Travis]

Another thing I will also say is what Australia does. Just think about what they did during the pandemic. I'm sorry. No making a law like that here.

[Buck Sexton]

No.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, so what I would say to the people out there who say it's the parents responsibility. It's a very valid argument.

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