Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Dec 12 2025

Summary

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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Daily Review with Clay and Buck
Date: December 12, 2025
Podcast: iHeartPodcasts

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Overview

In this episode, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton navigate the week’s most pressing news and political stories—ranging from a shocking scandal in college football at the University of Michigan, ongoing struggles within the U.S. legal system, to high-stakes foreign policy developments regarding Venezuela and immigration policy. With signature wit, directness, and debate, Clay and Buck interpret events for their audience, bringing in guest analyst Ryan Girdusky for in-depth analysis of shifting U.S. immigration trends and their impact on the housing market and economy. The episode is marked by candid analysis, energetic banter, and a touch of holiday warmth.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Scandal at the University of Michigan Football Program

Timestamps: 02:52–06:38

• Clay Travis introduces shocking news involving Michigan’s football coach Sharon Moore, who was fired and is expected to be charged with serious criminal offenses, following a violent incident related to a workplace relationship.
  • "He was fired and then he evidently flipped out. And there are reports he showed up at her house with a knife, threatening to kill her and kill himself. And he was arrested and he has been held for the past two days." (Clay Travis, 03:48)
• This story is framed as emblematic of how college football intersects with legal and social crises.

2. Political Justice and the Limits of Prosecutorial Accountability

Timestamps: 06:38–14:07

• Clay and Buck dissect the failed grand jury attempts to indict New York AG Letitia James despite reported wrongdoing, contrasting the rare success of attorney Lindsey Halligan.
  • Buck: "It is now all so political that it's very hard for people...to disentangle the politics." (Buck Sexton, 08:04-08:57)
  • They note a pattern of grand juries in “blue jurisdictions” refusing to indict political allies.
• Clay suggests a legal reform: allowing federal defendants to move cases to their home state, aiming for fairer juries.
  • "It would mean that a jury of my actual peers would judge me as opposed to a jury of a kangaroo court in a blue city that is overwhelmingly opposed to me because of my politics." (Clay Travis, 10:25)
• They agree bipartisan justice is elusive, with both hosts predicting hung juries for political figures like Letitia James.

3. Venezuela Crisis and U.S. Regime Change Policy

Timestamps: 18:38–32:11

• Buck details U.S. military escalation off Venezuela’s coast, including:
  • Oil tankers seized as part of harsher sanctions against Maduro’s regime.
  • Significant narcotics interdictions and military presence.
  • Buck: "Trump has been saying repeatedly... Maduro's days are numbered. Maduro's got to go." (Buck Sexton, 19:11)
• They discuss the economic devastation under Maduro, likening Venezuela’s situation to a “hellhole” despite its natural resource wealth.
  • "Venezuela, in the Western hemisphere, should have a fantastic relationship with America and Canada... Instead, it's a total economic basket case." (Buck Sexton, 26:26)
• Clay adds:
  • "If we could have a sane government in Venezuela... the overall price of oil and gas would continue to come down." (Clay Travis, 30:36)
• The hosts warn, however, that regime change has no guaranteed outcome.

4. U.S. Immigration: Shifting Trends and Data Analysis

Guest: Ryan Girdusky
Timestamps: 34:16–48:29

• Ryan Girdusky shares new data analysis indicating:
  • A decline in foreign-born births in 41 states, a possible indicator of increased deportations and self-deportations under the Trump administration.
  • "Overall there's about 35,000 fewer births from foreign-born mothers this year compared to last year." (Ryan Girdusky, 36:26)
  • Self-deportation estimates: two million or more, “well into the 2 millions of foreign-born people, mostly illegal aliens who have left the country.” (Ryan Girdusky, 38:35)
• They theorize policy actions (e.g., ending birthright citizenship for children of illegal immigrants) could further shift incentives.
• The tandem effect: lower rental/housing demand, which may modestly lower housing costs and benefit citizens.
  • "Four months of consecutive declining in rentals overall nationally is also a strong sign for 18 to 25 year olds who want to rent an apartment for the very first time in their life." (Ryan Girdusky, 44:54)
• "The illegal alien population, which is the low hanging fruit going after that, we're seeing signs in housing and in birth data to say this is changing." (Ryan Girdusky, 44:54)

5. Economic and Political Affordability Challenges

Timestamps: 45:44–48:11

• Discussion of inflation, energy prices, and how the Trump administration is messaging on affordability.
  • Acknowledgment of falling gas prices but ongoing struggles with insurance and government budget pressures.
  • Suggestion for procurement reforms to boost U.S. manufacturing via government contracts.

6. Personal and Lighter Moments

Timestamps: 34:16, 54:04–59:13

• Clay enjoys holding Buck’s baby boy (“Lord Chunkingham. First of his name.”)
• Banter regarding gun preferences and nostalgic movies, revealing the hosts’ personalities and rapport with listeners.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “It is now all so political that it's very hard for people... to disentangle the politics.”
  — Buck Sexton (08:04–08:57)

• “If we could have a sane government in Venezuela... the overall price of oil and gas would continue to come down pretty substantially.”
  — Clay Travis (30:36)

• “Overall there's about 35,000 fewer births from foreign-born mothers this year compared to last year... with self deportation, the number is well into the 2 millions.”
  — Ryan Girdusky (36:26–38:35)

• “The illegal alien population is drying up by 2 to 2.5 million this year.”
  — Ryan Girdusky (44:54)

• "We only need seven rounds because we're that good a shot... With those tiny little 9 millimeter years, we don't need the gadgets."
  — Listener call-in, Brian from Harrisburg (58:12)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• 02:52 — Clay introduces the Michigan football coach scandal.
• 06:38 — Analysis of failed indictments and politicized grand juries.
• 10:25 — Clay’s proposed reform on jurisdiction for federal charges.
• 18:38 — Venezuela crisis and U.S. foreign policy ramp-up.
• 27:40 — Discussion of oil tankers and regime change options.
• 34:16 — Ryan Girdusky joins for immigration data deep dive.
• 36:26–38:35 — Ryan details birth statistics, deportations, and population shifts.
• 41:51–44:54 — Links between immigration, housing demand, and policy suggestions.
• 45:44 — Election affordability messaging and economic strategy.
• 54:04–59:13 — End-of-show banter, holiday updates, and fan interactions.

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Tone and Style

The episode maintains its trademark blend of incisive, sometimes sardonic, political analysis and friendly banter. Clay and Buck push pointed arguments but maintain humor and accessibility, even on heavier topics like regime change or immigration. They regularly encourage audience engagement and wrap the week’s news while looking forward to holidays with warmth and cheer.

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For listeners who missed this episode:
You’ll find a sweeping review of current U.S. political fissures, spirited takes on the legal system’s limits, hard-edged geopolitical realism about Venezuela, and a datacentric approach to undocumented immigration and its effect on the American economy. The show is fast-paced, debate-driven, and leavened with personal stories—perfect for staying informed and entertained heading into the weekend.

Transcript

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Buck Sexton Here, the entire Clay and Buck show wish you and your family a warm Christmas season and a joyful New Year.

[Clay Travis]

Welcome in Friday edition. Clay travis BUCK SEXTON SHOW we are down in Miami where Buck and his wife Carrie threw a special spectacular holiday party last night. So festivities of the Christmas season are in the air here and I'm sure many different places around the country, as I bet a lot of you are into the holiday party season swing. We've got a ton of different stories to update you on and and to dive into with all of you. This is a crazy one, Buck. This is a little bit my world's colliding because it is a top story everywhere and it kind of came out yesterday. But the University of Michigan has a football coach who has been fired, Sharon Moore, and it appears that he is going to be charged with very, very serious criminal offenses. Maybe while we're on the air today in the Ann Arbor, Michigan area, there are tons of reporters that are prepared to hear the arraignment there. He has been in prison in jail since Wednesday, so two nights now. They have not yet released the arraignment. But Buck, it appears, based on the reports that are out there, that he was engaged in a relationship with a subordinate. She went public with the University of Michigan with the fact that that relationship was going on. And then he, he was fired and then he evidently flipped out. And there are reports he showed up at her house with a knife, threatening to kill her and kill himself. And he was arrested and he has been held for the past two days. Now, those reports, maybe we can grab them that aired on the local Fox affiliate in Detroit. But this is a, this is an unbelievable story and it is going to be, I think, as the charges come out, an even bigger story. So we will follow that. Just when you think college football, Buck finally becomes a college football fan a bit and the stories just become unbelievable and insane as, as we break all that down now, bigger international stories that are out there, Buck, the Venezuela situation continues to tick up. It feels like to a large degree. We've got the Jasmine Crockett, Joy Reid sit down interview that absolutely no one on the planet was talking about. But I actually wanted to we'll talk about Gilmar Abreu Garcia, the Maryland dad, AKA the human trafficking smuggler is back in the news. But I thought this was interesting and we haven't talked about it a lot. Lindsey Halligan was the attorney who was pointed, appointed and was able to get indictments of James Comey and of Letitia James. But we've talked about the difficulty sometimes in getting grand jury indictments in these Democrat blue areas Buck And Letitia James, now with new attorneys trying to get these indictments, has twice been refused to be indicted by grand juries. And this is cut one. Listen to this, this big discussion because again, what is it that Lindsey Halligan was able to do that no one else who has been in her job can somehow accomplish? Listen to cut one.

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[Buck Sexton]

Because she just got tossed out. Who are you?

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Letitia James.

[Buck Sexton]

You're saying it's clear that she did commit a crime?

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It looks like she filed a mortgage application.

[Clay Travis]

If that were the case, it would.

[Buck Sexton]

Be easy peasy to get a grand jury indictment.

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And that has not a jury in Virginia is necessarily.

[Ryan Gardusky]

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[Clay Travis]

All right, so what's going on here that only Lindsey Halligan seems capable of getting these indictments? You're seeing, we've talked about this a lot, but you, you know, the guy who threw the Subway Sandwich was the D.C. grand jury refused to indict. One of the big challenges that Trump has faced as he is trying to hold people accountable for the crimes that they allegedly have committed is there are lots of these blue jurisdictions which we are playing a road game every single time that to a large extent just will not indict. And I don't know, I have an idea about what a solution would be, Buck. But this is why we've kind of consistently said the idea that you're going to be able to get some form of justice here is going to be very, very difficult. Not only because the statutes of limitations are running out, but just because left wing grand juries refuse to indict because they're trying to indict their own team members.

[Buck Sexton]

So that's really the final thing you said, I think, is the determining factor, which is it's not, I would think, the particular skill, legal skill and acumen of the Lindsey Halligan. I think that what this is, it's just is the jury, is this grand jury comprised of people who view any indictment of Letitia James as inherently political. See, this is the problem. It is now all so political that it's very hard for people or some people are unwilling to disentangle the politics. Right. Letitia James, Attorney General of New York, in a gross violation of very basic ethics for government employee, a prosecutor said, I'm going to get a private citizen when she was running.

[Clay Travis]

Ok, that was the entire foundation of much of her campaign was saying, I'm going to get Donald Trump.

[Buck Sexton]

And she should be ashamed of that. And everybody who supports her or supported and supports her should be ashamed of that. They're not, of course, but that was what she did. And then she brought a very clearly absurd political hit job, civil case against Donald Trump, and with a massive judgment. And all you have to know is that she, according to her, the banks are idiots, Trump's an idiot, even though everyone involved here are super sophisticated, worth billions and billions of dollars, do their own due diligence and they're all happy. She knew more than Trump and the banks who were he worked with, who said he wanted to work, wanted to work with them again, he defrauded them that this is insane. But now they've said, ok, fine, no one's above the law. That includes. No one includes. Right. Inherently, Letitia James, there are people on that jury who, they watch cnn, they read the Washington Post in particular, because it's a Northern Virginia jury. Right. They read the Washington Post and they think that no matter what, Clay, if they, if they showed up with Letitia James on video accepting a million dollars in cash to prosecute Trump.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

There are a lot of people on the jury who say, nope, nope, not going to do it. Either I don't believe it or I don't care because she's anti Trump. So this just shows you how fractured the legal system has become because of this.

[Clay Travis]

Well, and here's my solution. And I think I've had a couple of senators on with us and made this case. We have to allow at least when it comes to prosecutions, people say, okay, they can indict anybody who's a Republican in D.C. northern Virginia, obviously, New York City, many of these blue cities inside of blue jurisdictions, you should be able to remove to your local jurisdiction any federal charges brought against you. So in other words, if I were charged with a Crime in Washington, D.C. i should be able to move that case back to my home state of Tennessee. I don't think it would solve everything, but it would mean that a jury of my actual peers would judge me as opposed to a jury of a kangaroo court in a blue city that is overwhelmingly opposed to me because of my politics. And look, this is what Trump is having to deal with. Now. We're in South Florida right now and there is talk that they are trying to make charges be brought around the Biden Department of Justice, Jack Smith, all of that investigatory process. I believe there's a grand jury impaneled in South Florida. That actually feels fair to me because it's much more of a 50, 50ish jurisdiction. But when you're trying to get anyone indicted for federal crimes that occur in the Washington D.C. area, which almost all of them do, it is well nigh impossible. There you go. I used the phrase well nigh. I don't think my grandma is going to be happy. Well nigh impossible to get an actual indictment there. And look, we praise Lindsey Halligan for her ability to do this buck. No one else seems to be capable of doing it. Which makes you wonder what are these career prosecutors actually doing and how aggressively are they really bringing the case in front of the grand jury? Why could we get an indictment from Lindsey Halligan when she did it and these career prosecutors aren't able to do it? It makes me wonder how much are they really going through the process of trying to get charges versus just kind of going through what they consider to be an illegitimate case and not actually trying to get an indictment.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, also, if you look at just expectations management here, we're just talking about a grand jury indictment, which Abby Phillip is correct, Abby Phillips is correct that that is generally a pretty slam dunk part of the process.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

Getting an actual conviction, that's going to be a whole other situation. But I would just say with this kind of a crime, it's very straightforward.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

Which is why the resistance to this or you know, to claim that it's political is to assert that facts in evidence that both sides have. I mean this is, you signed the paperwork, it wasn't your house, you signed it multiple times, you lied, you got a financial benefit from it. Those are the allegations. But that's what is pretty straightforward about this. You either broke the law or you didn't. And really what you're seeing are people who will take the position that breaking the law for someone who is, who has used the law to get Trump get, they have a get out of jail free card essentially that you, you are above and beyond legal sanction as long as you have tried to get Trump. And I think unfortunately that may play out the same way on a jury. Clay, all you need is one hashtag resistance, you know, angry probably middle aged female bureaucrat at the department of such and such to be on that jury. And guess what, Letitia James, worst case scenario, you're looking at a hung jury.

[Clay Travis]

And totally, I think that will 100% end up happening. But we wanted to update you on that. We'll have some fun. Friday edition. Our buddy Ryan Garduski is going to be with us at 2. There's some data out there that suggests that millions of people may well have left the country who were here illegally in the birth numbers. And he's a data nerd. He broke it down for us. I read it earlier this week. I was impressed by the methodology and he'll come on and explain because there's been a lot of talk about not only who is being deported but how many people are self deporting. So we will talk about all that. In the meantime, big win last night for the Atlanta Falcons. Tampa Bay Buccaneers played awful. I've got picks for you at price Picks right now. Super easy. This is up on the Clay and Buck website and it's also up on our Twitter feed. Tua More passing touchdowns. Dak More passing touchdowns. Sam Darnold More passing touchdowns. Bryce Young More passing touchdowns. Shador Sanders More passing touchdowns. If that hits 6 to 1, get hooked up today. Make sure that you are having fun. You can play in California and play in Florida where we are right now. You can play in Texas. You can play in Georgia, 40 plus states 13 million have played. And when you play $5, you get back $50 deposited into your account. It's a lot of fun. You can play along with us. This pays out at six to one. Go to prizepix.com my name Clay. You get $50 when you sign up just for playing five. That's prizepix.com my Name Clay. Let's have some fun and let's try to get a win this weekend in the NFL.

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[Buck Sexton]

Of play and buck kicks off right now and things are, well, they've been heating up for a while. They're getting really hot off the coast of Venezuela. A US Armada not only prepared for further action like what we have seen against those narco boats which are getting blown up. Secretary of War Hegset says that is going to continue. But now we have, in addition to this, of seizures of oil tankers, we have the US has seized an oil tanker in the Caribbean, Venezuela Venezuelan oil tanker and this is a big deal because this more than anything else is the lifeblood of the Venezuelan Maduro regime. So we already have this, this buildup clay of forces in the Caribbean, Trump has been saying repeatedly and for weeks now, Maduro's days are numbered. Maduro's got to go. There have been reports even of efforts to get Maduro to leave the country, but the guarantees that the Trump administration has been willing to give them have been insufficient to get Maduro to agree to this. So far, at least, that's what the reporting is. And now you have the US grabbing 90. 90% of the Venezuelan government's budget essentially is oil exports. It really is. It is a true economic one trick pony. It's oil exports and then it's drugs. That's what Venezuela is exporting right now, drugs and oil. The oil is like a heavy crude that requires some pretty extensive refining, as I understand it. And even more importantly than that, it also is under sanction. So it's only getting sold to the Chinese, mostly getting sold to the Russians. I know they have a lot of oil, but, you know, they'll take it at a huge discount. It's getting sold essentially to countries that are willing to skirt, evade, or just ignore US Sanctions in different ways there. So we seized an oil tanker, just like fast rope guys down. There's photos of this. We just took this oil tanker and said that it is a part of our sanctions against the Venezuelan regime. We have 22 strikes against boats in the region, clay 80 people, narco traffickers killed in those strikes. And now we have the US Seizing oil tankers from Venezuela. This will not take long. The Venezuelan economy is already teetering on the. I mean, it's effectively ruined. It has been ruined by Maduro, by the socialists. No shock there. And it seems pretty clear to me at this point, I don't think it's going out on a limb at all that Trump's policy here is regime change in Venezuela. Now, that doesn't necessarily mean U.S. troops or any kind of a ground invasion, but Trump has also not ruled out targeted air airstrikes, essentially missile strikes, perhaps bombers coming off of aircraft carriers, drones going after ground assets in Venezuela. We, we might be in the regime change business here very soon because seizing oil tankers, you only have to do this a few times before the Venezuela. And all of a sudden, the coffers, the coffers are just dry in Venezuela. They got nothing left.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, I think you pointed out something significant here, which the climate change people seem to have to a large extent, kind of vanished. But when they were not allowing us, at least they're not making ascendant arguments that are winning right now. When they were not allowing us to explore oil and gas to a large degree in this country, and they were trying to limit how much we could produce here, they were instead allowing other countries which produce oil and gas, as you said, in a much better, less refined and clean way that is actually far more detrimental to the overall environment, we were having to buy the oil from them. So even on their own goals here, they were morons. I Do think that the question of what should happen in Venezuela, I don't know if you read the story, the exiled woman who got the Nobel Peace Prize and said, I'm accepting this partly on behalf of Donald Trump, she had to be snuck out of the country. Did you see that story? It was really kind of an amazing story about how they snuck her out of the country. They notified the United States of what vessel she was going to be in. So we didn't strike it thinking that it might be a narco boat. And there's also reports that we provided cover for her when she was overseas to keep Venezuela from being able to come and try to seize her on that boat. She went to, I believe, Curacao and then caught a plane there to fly to. To fly to accept the Nobel Peace Prize and be able to speak there. But. So the question is, if we remove Maduro, to what extent will that regime change look like? And when I say we remove Maduro, I think there's just a hope at this point that due to the threats that we have brought to bear, that he will decide to voluntarily relinquish power. And then how much of a power vacuum does exist in Venezuela? Regime change, a lot of people out there probably listening to us right now are going to point out, does not always go fantastically well for the United States. So I believe there are 23 million Venezuelans. How many people do you think of Venezuelan descent are in America now? A million or more, I would think. Certainly. Right. That have fled that country because they are so angry over what has happened there. And we talk about inflation here. The rates of inflation in Venezuela are right now unlike anything you can even possibly comprehend.

[Buck Sexton]

There's 100,000 Venezuelans to 150,000 Venezuelans just here in my. I mean, Venezuelan Americans or, you know, immigrants just here in Miami.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, I mean, maybe the number's not a million, but I would think it's close. I mean, hundreds of thousands of people have fled Venezuela to come to the United States.

[Buck Sexton]

800,000.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, close. Not too far, not too bad. How many of those people would be willing to go back to Venezuela potentially if we were able to have some form of sustained, not crazy, left wing leadership?

[Buck Sexton]

It reminds me of when you talk to Iranians who remember what it was like really under the Shah period and before the Khomeini and Iranian Islamic revolution took over. It's a great culture, a great country with fantastic people. Everything should be overall going very well there. For this is one of the things that you see here. Clay it's one thing for a country like Nicaragua to fall into the grips of, say, of communism, because, look, it's going to be tough. There's not a lot of. Not a lot of natural resources. You know, there's not a tremendous amount of advantage in that, in that geography, just. Just as a. As a place to set up a country. It's like the old Sid Meier civilization game that I love so much as a kid. Like, you got to pick where you put your city, and you want it to be near a river and you want it to be near farmland. You know, Nicaragua is a pretty place, but it's not sitting on one of the largest proven oil reserves in the world.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

Venezuela is in the Western hemisphere. Should have a fantastic relationship with America and Canada and, you know, all the big players in the region, and it should have a high quality of standard of living. You know, it should be like Latin American Norway.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

Another place that has huge, you know, oil and gas reserves and is created, you know, a really big, essentially national trust fund for everybody to fund a lot of things. And instead, it's a total economic basket case. It's actually kind of a hellhole. You know, the Maduro regime has worked with. We hear about Trenda Aragua. It's a prison gang. And now they have not only gangs that run all the prisons, which you can imagine if you're an opposition figure, Clay, you get arrested, you go into one of the prisons run by a prison gang that, oh, by the way, is supported by the actual government.

[Clay Travis]

Think about what that's like.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, and controls the smuggling routes for the drugs and engages in acts of political violence, assassination, and all kinds of horrific oppression to silence opposition voices. It's like an anarcho tyranny state right now. That's what's going on. And Trump is just saying, we're going to tighten the screws until this thing collapses.

[Clay Travis]

We'll play this, by the way, in a sec. Trump saying we seize the tanker on the coast of Venezuela. But before we play that, I was reading an article, and I think it is significant that there are tons of tankers of oil that are currently out to sea that are having difficulty being delivered anywhere because Russia is obviously trying to sell on the black market tons of oil and gas, and so is Venezuela. And the pressure that the Trump administration has brought to bear means that China, for instance, and India are not taking that illicit oil and gas at the same level that they were before, which is weakening the overall power of Maduro. But also, in theory, Putin from an economic perspective here, by the way, is Trump, this is cut 30, saying, hey, by the way, you heard we did this. We seized a tanker of oil and gas off the coast of Venezuela. Cut 30.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, thank you very much. It's been an interesting day from the standpoint of news. As you probably know, we've just seized a tanker on the coast of Venezuela. Large tanker, Very large. Largest one ever seized, actually. And other things are happening. Yeah, other. By the way, that's a very Trump thing. Other things are happening. Yeah, you've got the biggest armada the Caribbean has. I don't know if there's ever been a bigger one. I mean, maybe you'd have to go.

[Clay Travis]

Back World War I or.

[Buck Sexton]

Way back in the day, but you, you have a massive military buildup in the Caribbean. Not a place we usually think of as where, you know, Persian Gulf. Yes, Caribbean, not as much. Something's definitely going on and a secondary component of all this clay, and this definitely is going to get the attention of a lot of our South, South Florida listeners. Cuba is also just scraping along just barely. The regime there, just barely able to make it all keep going. And they're, they're dependent on getting essentially free oil or highly subsidized. Oh, yeah, the Venezuelan regime, and they do effectively a barter of sorts where Venezuela sends Cuba oil and Cuba sends Venezuela some doctors, some security thugs, by the way, because they're all trained by the KGB and the Soviets. You know, they know that business. They, they are very close as well to a regime that is effectively economically frozen in place. So, I mean, more so than Cuba already has been for 50 years. So we're going to see where this goes. We're going to. It's like when Trump says we're going to, we're going to look at that. We're going to look at it. I think there's a very good chance that Maduro is going to be gone within six months. And that's a pretty wide latitude. It might even be more like two or three months.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah. And again, what I would say, if you're out there and you're saying, I don't care what goes on in Venezuela, I think what would happen if we could have a sane government in Venezuela is the overall price of oil and gas would continue to come down pretty substantially. And if you're out there concerned about cost of goods, then the cost of goods relating to shipping, whether it's diesel fuel for people out there driving trucks, or any product that's being effectively shipped anywhere around the world that allows a higher profit margin when the cost of shipping comes down. And anybody out there who has ever been involved, as I have been in selling retail goods through the mail, the amount of cost of shipping will blow your mind.

[Buck Sexton]

That's what we deal with with Crockett. Let's just be honest.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

Just shipping people coffee is an expensive problem.

[Clay Travis]

No doubt.

[Buck Sexton]

Always trying to find ways to do it at the best cost so that we don't have to pass those costs on to costs on to customers. So, yeah, shipping. Shipping is a big part. But think about this. Venezuela is sending its oil to China.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

That's. I mean, think about the cost of that shipment for that oil, which is already, like I said, it's a very heavy crude. And then on top of it, there's the sanctions. And then on top of it, you got to send it all the way. You know, Venezuela should be operating at maximum capacity, selling oil right here into the US or right, you know, right into all. All around Latin America. But communism can destroy anything. This is what people. Communism is a virus. And when the virus takes hold and replicates, it will kill the host every time.

[Clay Travis]

And on top of all that buck, we have a lot of interest with American corporate. I think it's. Chevron has a huge stake and they've to a large extent tried to seize all the American assets inside of those companies, the foreign assets. So this is something worth paying attention to. I think you're right. I think it's going to happen maybe by the end of the year, maybe by into January. By the way, news coming out of Michigan head coach there has been charged with three criminal elements. They are taking it live, I think right now on Fox News. Former University of Michigan football coach Sharon Moore in the jail right now having a hearing. We'll tell you a little bit about that when we come back. If it feels like everything moves at two or three times the normal speed at this time of year, you're not wrong. Holiday season just gets absolutely crazy in terms of how much gets packed in. And you may be looking and thinking, what would be a great gift? Cozier. Trust me. Go on this website right now. C O Z Y Earth. Use my name Clay. 40% off everything there right now. It is absolutely fantastic. You will love it. Make sure to order by today all the people out there. If you want this to gift to get to people you need. If you want it to be able to come to you so you can get ready to give it as a gift, you need to order by today for guaranteed Christmas delivery. That's cozyearth.com go check it out. The blankets, the sheets, just phenomenal product. You're gonna love it. C o z y earth.com my name Clay. That's cozyearth.com my name Clay. Get hooked up today. Cozyearth.com Clay, you'll want to do it again. Today is the deadline for guaranteed delivery by Christmas. That's cozyearth.com my name Clay for 40.

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome final hour of the week. We hope all of you are having fantastic Fridays. You can always find us on podcast. You can find the entire podcast network which includes the guests that we are about to bring on. Ryan Gardusky, Carol Markowitz, Lisa Booth, David Rutherford. I mean, just a huge bevy of outstanding Tudor Dixon content from a variety of perspectives inside of of the Clay and Buck podcast network. Also, you can go click like and subscribe on YouTube. We're on every social media platform it feels like on the planet, so you should be able to find us anywhere. I was just downstairs holding Buck's new baby boy who is a total chunk. There may be photos of that up soon. What is he, what does he weigh now? I'm not trying to put him on, on blast here.

[Buck Sexton]

20 pounds. He's in the 95th percentile for weight. We call him Lord Chunkingham. First of his name.

[Clay Travis]

He is a chunker. I mean, those legs that his legs.

[Buck Sexton]

Are like stay puft. Yeah, he's, he's, he's a.

[Clay Travis]

It is, it is really awesome. So we were just downstairs with that. You can see that picture. I hope you and your family are having great holiday seasons already. All right, bring in Ryan Kurdusky. Now, Ryan, you got a lot of great stuff. Encourage people to go subscribe to your substack as I am. And you can see many different stories out there that you're regularly writing. And earlier this week, you had a piece that I thought was super interesting. One of the big debates out there has been, we know that Trump is deporting illegal immigrants, focused on the criminal among them. But exactly how many people are choosing to voluntarily leave on top of those that are being deported has been a point of real debate. And you now have been able to go into data and look at some of the birth details and start to maybe get a sense for what the overall population might be of the illegal immigrant Population and how it might have changed. That's a long way of asking what have you found? Tell us how you found it.

[Ryan Gardusky]

So the cdc, the government shut down, did not update their birth, their monthly birthday, and it's the preliminary birthday because they come out with the final one after the next year is over obviously because they get to December. So they finally came up with September and October. And we've had a long, long, you know, year bas. And what I always said was if an illegal alien was pregnant 7 months, 8 months, she's not going to self deport, she's going to wait to have the baby and have an anchor baby, basically a citizen. But over the time we would see if the mass deportations were working because by this time of the year October, they wouldn't have been pregnant when Trump was president or just newly pregnant. So they would have been deported or self deported. And what we've noticed is in 41 states and the District of Columbia, the foreign born population of new babies being born is down in 41 of the 50. And in a lot of the states that have seen population increase of foreign born births, most of them have a very small foreign born population. So it's like Vermont, New Hampshire, West Virginia, Montana, North Dakota. So anything like if there's two more, it would be a big increase because there's very few to begin with. So in most parts of the country there's a significant decline. Overall there's about 35,000 fewer births from foreign born mothers this year compared to last year. And what we're looking at overall especially, and that's especially coming in the last two months, the numbers have dropped up significantly by 10,000 in the last month alone. So you're seeing mass deportation decrease substantially. Sorry, increase substantially. And given that the foreign born data is matching other data out there, rental property data, you're seeing Bureau of Labor Statistics data, that means that with self deportation, the number is well into the 2 millions of foreign born people, mostly illegal aliens who have left the country. And what's very interesting is where you're seeing the scattering of the foreign drop in foreign born births. Places like Texas had a big drop off. Nevada, you know, even Kentucky and New York, places that have both been complying with the administration and non compliant, you've seen this overall drop. So it's pretty broad across the country.

[Buck Sexton]

Ryan, this is a story that I feel like the administration needs to get out there more because the deportation number is what, four or five hundred thousand I think for the year so far. Does that sound about Right. Something in that.

[Ryan Gardusky]

It's close to 6 or 700,000.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay.

[Ryan Gardusky]

Ticked up a little bit. Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

So. So we'll say 600,000 just to put us in the ballpark. But when you've let 10 million in, not this administration, obviously, but with 10 plus million coming in under Biden in four years, people can do the back of the napkin math on this one. It's this other piece of changing enforcement priorities and the incentives for people that continue to stay here illegally that gives that number that you're citing, looking at this data, where do you think they can actually increase this? Or what are the ways that they can take these numbers and get them even higher next year? Because I know the White House is considering a whole range of things.

[Ryan Gardusky]

Well, the first thing is we have the Supreme Court case, right, which is over the birthright citizenship, which is what Trump has done. If that is gone, if the Supreme Court says that illegal aliens, tourists do not have rights to citizenship, they are not considered in the jurisdiction of, which is the big five words of the 14th Amendment. If they're not in the jurisdiction of the United States because they're here illegally and their children are not automatically granted citizenship, that is going to be a slight switch because that will drive birth tourism in New York, California, Miami, other places. You see a lot of people from across the world, China and Russia, Mexico, coming to the United States to have a child as a citizen. That will be the first thing. The administration is pursuing that very, very strongly. Another one is going to sit there and I mean, what they really should do is sit there and withhold Medicaid payments to hospitals that are notorious for illegal alien hubs, for illegal aliens to have children in places like in El Paso or in San Diego, places that sit there and they use, because these births are all covered by the taxpayer, the hospital is not refusing them, which is why you're seeing a massive number of border of hospitals on the border going bankrupt year after year because Medicaid payments are not as high as private sector payments or private insurance payments. Sitting there and asking for the full data of illegal alien birthday in these hospitals and threatened with whole Medicaid money unless those births are given. That could ramp up enforcement in those areas because they're not going, you know, they're not going to Cedar Rapids, Iowa, you know, to have a baby. They're going to the same 20 cities across the country. And that we can crack down on birth tourism by enforcing in those areas, you know, where people are having children, where people are at nine months pregnant, Showing up with, you know, a six month long visa, a tourist visa to have a child. And they're not all illegally crossing the border. Some of them are requesting to sit there and visit the United States at eight and a half months pregnant for several months in order to have a baby here. Things like that, that could stop them from flying in overseas when they're nine months pregnant in order just to have American citizen children. Those are easy staples that are not, you know, they don't have ugly views as far as like, you know, pregnant women being arrested that we don't want, we don't want videos of that happening. So refusing visas, tourist visas to women who are nine months pregnant in these specific areas would also, you know, that.

[Clay Travis]

Number even further we're seeing, and I think this is partly related frankly to interest rates starting to come down, meaning 15 and 30 year mortgages in general are cheaper at the end of the year than they were at the beginning. But I saw a report this morning, Ryan, that the average home price came down 2.5% this year. And there are some people saying, well, partly real estate prices are going to come down. In fact, this is one argument J.D. vance made because if we have 20 million illegals, which is the number that Tom Holman has said we have, if millions of those illegals leave the country, then in theory that would open up more housing and drive down the cost of housing. Right. Do you buy into a correlation there at all or you think it's more likely just connected with interest rates?

[Ryan Gardusky]

Yeah, the last especially says we just don't build enough housing. We build at 1.5 million new homes per year in the United States. But you think about it. One, we take in about a million legal immigrants per year. And then there's all the amount of adults who are turning 21, 22, they want to buy a house, they were 25, whatever it is, and buy a house or rent a house, either which one. And all people who buy second homes and the foreigners who buy homes, there's tons of Canadians who own homes in Florida, for example, for summer homes and in Arizona. So you max, you increase, you open the entire housing markets of the world. And plus with the illegal population, it's not a matter of a supply issue, it's a demand issue. The demand for a house in America is just us through the roof and our own citizens always kind of fall to the back. So given that there are 15 to 20 million illegal aliens, I know they say there's less, but it's probably closer TO it's probably 15 million or above. Dropping that population down by 2 million, which is, you know, it's less than 10%, but it's a significant percentage. That absolutely opens up the housing market. And even rental apartment rentals are declined for four consecutive months in half the country. So you're seeing housing down 2.5% is not a significant drop, but you don't want that significant of a drop. You don't want a massive housing recession. So 2.5% drop in housing is great. Four months of consecutive declining in rentals overall nationally is also a Strong sign for 18 to 25 year olds who want to rent an apartment for the very first time in their life. All these are good indicators that the illegal alien population, the foreign born population declining, that population is opening up availability towards housing and at least relieving, you know, this major crisis we have at least temporarily on housing. We have to start cracking down on the legal immigration system and trying to change it. The fact that more than half of our legal immigration is just family reunification, it's because you're related to somebody, you get citizenship into our, or entry into our country is very, very outdated and should be reformed. But, but the illegal alien population, which is the low hanging fruit going after that, we're seeing signs in housing and in birth data to say this is changing. And so therefore the illegal alien population is drying up by 2 to 2.5 million this year.

[Clay Travis]

By the way, I say 20 million and we always get emails from people saying, oh, it's way higher. That's the number that Tom Homan has given us. I asked him directly, how many illegal immigrants do you think are in the country? Tom Homan, who knows this world better than almost anyone, says that number is 20 million. Just FYI.

[Ryan Gardusky]

Yeah, no, I agree with him. It's probably, it's, yeah, it's 20 million. What the, the official number, the 11.2, which has been like that for 25 years, that comes from Pew Research. They put that number at every year like CBS and CNN eat it up. But it's a complete, it's, it's just a Pew Research number. It's a lie. Everybody who's really studied this knows it's 20 million or around that number. So I completely agree with Tom holman. So yeah, 10% is a big drop in a single solitary year. I mean, that's a really effective enforcement mech that Tom Holman and the Department of Homeland Security has really initiated throughout this year.

[Buck Sexton]

How is the Trump team doing, you think, on the affordability issue as it Pertains to the electorate going into the midterms next year. Affordability is the huge buzzword. Everyone knows it. How are they handling this, you think?

[Ryan Gardusky]

I mean, look on certain things it is becoming more affordable. Gasoline's at a five year low. That's great. Gasoline and energy is one of the major, major, major drivers of a lot of different things. Gas to transport food across the country and across the globe. We need, we need gasoline to move products, you know, everywhere. What I think, what I think there's, there's a, there's, there's certain. The media's a very good job at labeling the tariffs as the main driver. Everything that is increasing is not tariff related. Insurance is increasing substantially. Everyone's insurance has gone up. That has nothing to do with a tariff. Right. There's a lot of other things that are working in there. Electricity bills partially because of the data centers, but not completely, but partially because of that. That's a problem where they have failed the most this administration is by passing another budget that borrows money, that decreases the value of the dollar. It is a tax that no one has seen. But where they have been effective is at reshoring some manufacturing. What I have told many people in the administration, people in the Senate, people on the Hill, what they need to do is go to the Department of War and have Pete Hegsgaff sit there and look at certain items, certain items that is necessary in the military buys, for instance, aspirin and anti inflammation. The military is one of the biggest purchasers of medical supplies in the entire world. If they said we're going to issue a government contract only if those supplies were built in America or made in America, which Tylenol can be made in America, they would make them in America. They need to weaponize government contracting to build them more domestically, which would increase supply chains towards the United States, increase job production to. Towards the United States. Weaponizing. Weaponizing contracts. The Department of War would be essential in bringing that. So I would give them about a six. They've done certain things, been very effective. The media has lied terribly about these tariffs which have good things and bad things attached to them. But more good than bad. But overall a lot of these prices are things that are kind of lingering from the Biden administration.

[Clay Travis]

Ryan, outstanding stuff as always. Where can people find you in addition to the fantastic Clay and Buck podcast network?

[Ryan Gardusky]

Yeah. Numbers Game podcast is on YouTube now. Please like and subscribe everywhere. I heart radio app and Apple podcasts and everything like that. And then on my substack with a National Populist newsletter and on Twitter at Ryan Graduski.

[Clay Travis]

Outstanding stuff. Have a good weekend, man. And happy holiday season.

[Ryan Gardusky]

Yes. Merry Christmas.

[Clay Travis]

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U n D welcome back into Clay and Buck. We are closing up shop before we send you off for this weekend and want to tell you that Nita, we are going to be there's going to be a live Clan Buck show all next week. It'll be us or a version thereof. Clay's going to be solo Thursday Friday and it's not because I'm heading off to Cabo. I'm going to be recording Manufacturing Delusion audiobook for my book. So please those of you who are audiobook people, you can already you can get that. You can buy that and it will be downloaded the day the book is released. Guest host though Clay during the holidays yes, meaning that there will be live Clay and Buck shows. We're gonna have fantastic guest Host Brett Winterbolt of wbt, John Cobalt of KFI out in la. That's a huge, huge station. Brian Mudd of wjno, Our good buddy from West Palm, David Rutherford, former Navy SEAL of the Clay and Buck Podcast Network, and tutor Dixon of Michigan, also of the Clay and Buck Podcast Network.

[Clay Travis]

So all.

[Buck Sexton]

All people who will do really great shows. So if any of you are going to be tuning into the news or just want someone to hang with it all over the holiday weeks, we will have some great, great people, I promise you.

[Clay Travis]

You, you're not going to be here. We'll be together Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. Then you're going to be doing the book. 20 minutes in. You'll be like, I would kill to be.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, I'm probably going to send you some live. I'm going to send you some live.

[Clay Travis]

Updates for how people don't miss radio. I did. I did the. The balls book read. I've done the last three of my books. They just put you basically in a windowless container and you sit directly in front of a mic and there you have to flip through and you imagine how tough this was for me. Any word you mispronounce, any unnecessary verbiage that comes out or sound or anything else, and you constantly, I mean, you have to read every word. This is probably something that AI is eventually going to be able to do. That will be one that I look forward to.

[Buck Sexton]

We don't want AI to get too good at talking and sounding like us. That's not good either, you know. But we want it to be helpful with things like this.

[Clay Travis]

In fact, this is fine. I was with the Fox Sports crew at the Big ten title game this past weekend and they now have. Colin Cowherd's one of the biggest names buddy of mine, biggest names in sports talk radio. They now have AI that is soon going to debut where you can ask Colin Cowherd any question about sports under the sun and it automatically gives an answer. His voice in a perspective that they've done based on analyzing all of the shows that he's done. So you can basically have him in the pocket of your hand. And I thought to myself, oh, man, this is going to be Clay and Buck. At some point they're going to decide because we talk for 15 hours a week to give us one of these AI things. But then it's going to eventually lead into honestly where you can't tell what's real and what's not, right? Because AI is getting so advanced that they can take a voice like mine or A voice like yours and have us saying anything under the sun. And I think it's going to become an issue for politicians for. For people who are in public life. Heck, maybe just for normal people. I think also it's going to really get complicated for elderly people, Buck because I think they're going to start to scam people by making you think, oh, that's my grandson or granddaughter. That's already going to happen.

[Buck Sexton]

It's just going to get more and more sophisticated. Talkbacks here. AA weighing in on the wrapping paper debacle. Play it. Hey guys. Tyson here. Northern Minnesota truck driver, farmer bringing wheat to the mill. Anyways, for those who need special wrapping paper, I hope their parents love them enough to pack them chalk as a present. And also I'd like to hear what you guys thoughts would be on the the movie remake of warriors in a mod money New York City. Just thought that'd be interesting.

[Clay Travis]

Have a good one.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, Warriors Momdani New York City. Look, New Mamdani's not the mayor yet. So we haven't seen anything that crazy going. I'm tell you something, something. I actually have not seen the movie Warriors. I've seen the jiu jitsu movie with Tom Hardy Warrior, which I actually thought was good and enjoyed. Have you seen Warriors?

[Clay Travis]

No, I haven't because I saw that. I was hoping you had because I know that we're gonna get blown up probably for not having seen this movie. So I can't even give a good answer to a second part.

[Buck Sexton]

70S when is when the movie producer, you know who's definitely seen it? Producer Mike. Producer Mike, do you have a take for us on warriors or producer Greg? Greg. Either of you. It's good. Oh, okay. He said okay. Yeah. I knew these guys had seen it. Movie Warriors. I'm trying to think when it. When it came out it. Movie Warrior79 I was gonna say right. A little bit before I was born. It's a bunch of gangs. Not Gangs of New York obviously. That's a different movie where I honestly think that Daniel Day Lewis is the only reason to watch that movie. But that's a whole other thing. Warriors come out and play is the famous line. Oh, I've not seen this one. I'm about to check it out. We will see. But yeah, there used to be New York used to be the backdrop for a lot of urban hellscape movies. Largely because of not just this, the urban decay. But there's so much graffiti. The city was. Graffiti was a plague. And it was when I was in the 80s, it was terrible.

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I mean, such a bad sign of. Of where things stand. K.K. brian from Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. Let's hear him. Okay, Buck. The difference between us 1911 users and the rest of you is we only need seven rounds because we're that good a shot. And we only need one round per target, not multiple rounds. With those tiny little 9 millimeter years, we don't need the gadgets. And the gadgets, we get it done. We get ourselves a long rifle and then we really take. Look, Brian, I want to be clear. I respect that you still use a musket and that you're willing to take the little powder horn and go through that whole process. But when you fire and miss with your musket, just know that I will be there with my staccato 9 milli. And I got your back. Don't worry about it.

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Oh, all the gun trash talk. You will see me in four minutes on Fox News, talking with Martha McCollum. I believe so. I'll see you guys there.

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I'm like Clay's handler.

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I'm gonna run him out. Like I've gotta get there, gotta get there.

[Buck Sexton]

We'll see you all on Monday. Have a great weekend, everybody. Merry Christmas.

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