Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Dec 15 2025

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Episode: Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Dec 15, 2025
Date: December 15, 2025
Host: Clay Travis & Buck Sexton · iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the weekend's major tragic events: the Bondi Beach terrorist attack in Australia and the Brown University campus shooting, tying them to broader discussions on Western civilization, security, immigration, antisemitism, and gun laws. Clay and Buck scrutinize policy reactions, cultural trends, and failures in maintaining safety, while weaving in their characteristic blend of candid conversation and political analysis.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Bondi Beach Terror Attack: Implications for Western Civilization

[02:35 – 10:40]

• Event Recap: The show opens with the shocking terror attack in Bondi Beach, Australia. Both hosts stress that such events, even far from the U.S., have direct relevance due to the cultural and historical ties within the Anglosphere.
• Statist Solutions: Buck criticizes the Australian government’s immediate push for tighter gun control, arguing it’s a reflexive statist response that “only disarms the law abiding and sets us up for tyranny.”
  • “Limiting the number of guns is moronic…This pretense that, oh, if only we did reviews… they don’t have the stones to do it.” (Buck Sexton, 05:24)
• Second Amendment Parallel: The American context is contrasted—arguing that private gun ownership is central to personal and societal security.
  • “This idea that you will make people safer…by saying you can only have three guns and not five. If you’re a bad guy…one gun is enough.” (Clay Travis, 05:24)
• Cultural Breakdown: Both hosts argue that “radical Islamic fundamental terrorism”—even among second-generation immigrants—is evidence that Western societies have failed to inculcate shared values.
  • “Being afraid to condemn radical Islamic fundamental terrorism…is just a further example of toxic empathy.” (Clay Travis, 08:50)
• Diversity as a Weakness? The idea that “diversity is our strength” is called “one of the biggest lies we’ve all been told.” Both assert that an expectation of assimilation is essential.

2. The State of Jihadism, Islamist Ideology, and Antisemitism

[10:40 – 13:45]

• On Gaza and Hamas: Clay rebukes voices on the right sympathizing with Gaza, calling it “an extreme ignorance of the reality.”
  • “They teach little kids in school to want to go out and kill The Jews…a top down societal hatred that is inculcated in the Muslims of Gaza against the Jews.” (Clay Travis, 11:10)
• Compatibility Argument: Buck argues, “Are people who are jihadists compatible with Western civilization? That ideology? No, they are not.”
• Warning for the U.S.: Buck predicts, with “absolute certainty,” a similar attack “in the relatively near future” in the United States.

3. Police Response and Security: U.S. vs Abroad

[14:30 – 16:18]

• Police Response Standards: Cop response in the U.S. (quick, forceful) is contrasted with Australia and the UK, where officers “are trained to not shoot.”
  • “Miami Beach police showed up, eliminated the threat, took him out with a headshot. That is different. The UK Australia, they are trained to not shoot.” (Clay Travis, 15:40)
• Gender Discussion in Law Enforcement: The hosts briefly mention that female officers present at Bondi “did nothing,” opening a discussion about differences in police preparedness.

4. Antisemitism and the Global Threat

[16:18 – 18:46; 54:53 – 59:27]

• Australia’s “October 7”: Bondi terror attack is described as “Australia’s October 7.” The IFCJ (International Fellowship of Christians and Jews) is highlighted as a way to support victims and stand against antisemitism.
• Interview – Yell Eckstein (IFCJ): Yell discusses how Australia’s political environment fosters antisemitism, calls for Christians and Jews to “stand together,” and recounts the bravery of an Arab man who stopped the Bondi attacker.
  • “It is a global threat of darkness that hates light. …Jews and Christians today need to stand together... We have to stop relying on the government and do whatever we can.” (Yell Eckstein, 54:53–57:46)

5. Brown University Shooting: Gun Laws and Campus Security

[21:33 – 49:08]

• Details & Outrage: Discussion of the Brown University shooting, highlighting failed security, the inefficacy of “gun free zone” policies, and that the perpetrator escaped.
  • “Brown prohibits not only any firearm carrying by any person…the number one thing you should be providing on Brown is…security…to stop a guy from going shooting up a building and walking off and getting away…” (Buck Sexton, 31:09; Clay Travis, 31:35)
• Caller Frank (Law Enforcement Background):
  • Explains understaffed campus police and disincentives for proactive policing on campuses. “Universities are not near as safe as they lead people to believe because they see the police as an unwanted necessity.” (Frank, 41:03)
  • “If you had told me, hey, you can walk into an Ivy League campus with a gun…shoot up a building and the guy can walk off campus, I would have never believed that was possible.” (Clay Travis, 43:05)
• Link to Policy: Buck argues for the utility of concealed carry and critiques campuses for preventing lawful self-defense.

6. Economy & Public Debt

[21:33 – 24:33]

• Positive Update: National Economic Council director Kevin Hassett reports a “$600 billion lower” deficit than prior year.
  • “We’ve got the deficit going way, way down…should continue to move us towards the Fed target of 2%.” (Buck Sexton, 22:43)
• Trump’s Victory Lap: Trump claims tariffs brought $18 trillion into the U.S. (hosts note the figure likely includes commitments as well as tariff revenue).
  • “Without the November 5th election, you would have had a president that didn’t have the courage to use tariffs the way they should be used. ...We took in more than $18 trillion in 10 months.” (Trump, 23:03)
• Lingering Worries: Despite economic improvements, Clay warns that runaway debt and lack of political will to tackle deficits remain “generational” threats.

7. Gun Control Debates: Efficacy and Principle

[29:39 – 36:28]

• Gun Free Zones Critique: Buck and Clay argue that such policies disarm only the law-abiding and offer no defense in active shooter scenarios.
  • “All a gun free zone on a college campus does is make sure there is no chance of trained and armed civilian being able to defend himself or herself…” (Buck Sexton, 32:50)
• Personal Anecdotes: Buck discusses carrying concealed, and the difference that widespread civilian preparedness makes in places like Florida.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Gun Laws:
  “You can only have three guns and not five… as if one gun is not enough. If you’re a bad guy who wants to hurt a lot of people.”
  — Clay Travis (05:24)

• On Australia’s Political Response:
  “This is the problem with statism: the only response can always be… more state control, even when their state controls have failed.”
  — Buck Sexton (02:35)

• On Assimilation and Immigration:
  “Being afraid to condemn radical Islamic fundamental terrorism…is just a further example of toxic empathy.”
  — Clay Travis (08:50)

  “Diversity is very much not our strength when you have people…who think that Islamic faith should be something that is used to govern.”
  — Buck Sexton (12:50)

• On University Security:
  “Campus gun-free zones just make sure there is no chance of a trained and armed civilian being able to defend himself…from a determined murderer.”
  — Buck Sexton (32:50)

  “Universities are not near as safe as people are led to believe… because they see the police as an unwanted necessity.”
  — Frank, caller from Kentucky (41:03)

• On Antisemitism’s Global Rise:
  “It is a global threat of darkness that hates light… We have to stop relying on the government and do whatever we can.”
  — Yell Eckstein (IFCJ) (56:27)

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Segment Timestamps

• Opening & Bondi Beach Terror Attack – 02:35
• Australian Govt. Gun Control Response – 04:56
• America’s 2nd Amendment Context – 05:24
• Immigration and Assimilation – 07:20, 10:40
• Jihadism, Gaza, and Antisemitism – 10:40–13:45
• U.S. vs Aussie Police Response – 14:30–16:18
• Economic Segment (Deficit, Tariffs) – 21:33–24:33
• Brown University Shooting & Campus Security – 29:39–49:08
• Caller Frank (Law Enforcement) – 40:13
• Security Failure & Surveillance Limitations at Brown – 53:04
• Yell Eckstein Interview (Antisemitism, IFCJ) – 54:53–59:27

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Tone & Style

Throughout the episode, Buck and Clay mix urgency, personal anecdotes, moral clarity, and humor (often self-deprecating or pointed at each other). They do not mince words about controversial topics, and audience engagement is encouraged through calls and direct address.

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Summary for Non-Listeners

This episode tackles the unsettling theme of Western vulnerability—from terror attacks abroad to tragic violence at home—arguing that misguided gun control, immigration without assimilation, and weak institutional responses all undermine security and cohesion. Not shying from controversy, the hosts challenge conventional wisdom about diversity, gun-free zones, and the ability of universities and governments to keep citizens safe. Throughout, there’s an urgent call for private vigilance, societal unity (particularly among Jews and Christians against rising antisemitism), and a reminder that real solutions require more than political gestures.

For listeners who missed it, this episode delivers a passionate, sometimes provocative overview of the threats facing open societies—and a fierce defense of the values (and policies) that Clay and Buck believe are necessary to preserve Western civilization.

Transcript

[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

U n D welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. So we are talking about and sorry it's incongruous a little bit with the, or a lot, the Christmas music. But it is the Christmas season, so this is a new show. Sometimes we're going to talk news that's very disheartening, very upsetting, very tragic. And there's unfortunately a lot of that from over the weekend. We've been looking at this terrorist attack in Bondi Beach, Australia. And Clay, this is a reminder of the threats that we face in, remember, Western civilization. It's interesting. Australia is on the other side of the globe, but Australia is a part of Western civilization, very much so. And one of our sister countries of the, you know, Anglosphere. So that means that we can see what's going on there, see what's going on in the uk, Canada, New Zealand, and they are particularly culturally close to us and aligned with us. And so when things go wrong there, it means that things could also go wrong here. Rather we have, we have perhaps the ability to see some of the mistakes and missteps that they make and then look at how we could avoid the same situation. Our second amendment is something the founding fathers thought long and hard about and included for good reason. Despite all of the nonsense, you will hear about this, despite all of the claims. I saw some Democrat congressman saying that Trump wants more violence actually, and that's why he defends the second amendment. I mean they'll say anything. The fact of the matter is that their gun grabbing just disarms the law abiding and sets us up for tyranny. And this is why when the Australian prime Minister comes forward, cut 11. This is the problem with statism is that the only response can always be from the statists, more state control, even when their state controls have failed. Here's the Australian Prime Minister saying they want to tighten gun laws. Play 11. Government is prepared to take whatever action is necessary. Included in that is the need for tougher gun laws. And this afternoon at 4:00, I will put on the agenda of the National Cabinet tougher gun laws, including limits on.

[Buck Sexton]

The number of guns that can be.

[Clay Travis]

Used or licensed by individuals, a review of licenses over a period of time.

[Buck Sexton]

People's circumstances change, people can be radicalized.

[Clay Travis]

Over a period of time. Licenses should not be in perpetuity and checks, of course, making sure that those.

[Buck Sexton]

Checks and balances are in place as well.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, so as a, as a gun owner who all in all honesty, I was talking to my brother, I'm about to get a couple more guns. So I mean, and not having nothing to do with this, I just mean I want more guns and I'm gonna Get more. My brother has, I think twice the number that I have, and that just seems like I need to catch up. I'm at rookie numbers. This idea that you will make people safer, Clay, by saying you can only have three guns and not five. Let's just say just put that out there for a second. As if one gun is not enough. If you're a bad guy who wants to hurt a lot of people. The Virginia Tech shooter, which I believe was the most. The most fatalities from any shooting in the US For a period of time. I'm not sure, you know, the latest numbers are, but it was among the. Certainly in the top three or top five pistols. The guy effectively had two pistols. The Ford Hood shooter pistols. You only need one or two if you're going to kill innocent people, and you can kill a lot of people. Let me also point out a big problem here. You know, we talked about Bondi beach versus South Beach, Clay. If this guy. If these two jihadists start doing something like this around here, if they're out just as they were, we all can see the video. It's broad daylight in a very prominent place with a lot of tourists, a lot of people celebrating, just like what's outside my door here in South Beach, Miami, if somebody does that there, I mean, I know a number of gun owners in my building. Like, we can respond and would respond in a situation like that. Nobody could respond here. So limiting the number of guns is moronic. And then this. This pretense that, oh, if only we did reviews, Clay, really, Australia is going to review the Muslim guys who want guns, and they're going to say, I don't really like what you're saying in the mosque these days, so I'm going to take your gun license away. They don't have the stones to do it. They wouldn't do it. They wouldn't catch it in the first place. And even if they did, we've seen this in so many countries already. Oh, I don't want to be offensive. Diversity is our strength. The jihadists should get guns, too.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. Look, I think if you are Australian today, you should be looking around at everything that happened and asking yourself, how did we get here? And I think there are multiple different steps that were taken that led to this place, but ultimately they all come back to Western civilization under attack. And how is Australia benefited to a large extent from this level of. This level of change inside of their country? And I just. I just think we're at a time for such significant conversation. I hope that we're willing to have it about the fact that we have opened our doors, preying on the innate goodness of all of these successful Western countries. And we basically have rolled the dice that we are importing people who want to live with traditional Western values. And when you see this guy raising his son to grow up and kill Jews, I think that is a major point of time where people should step back and say, wait a minute, what have we done? And you can say, and it is true that this represents a minority of the people that are brought into the country. Okay? That doesn't mean that it should still be happening at all. And again, this whole idea that diversity is our strength, I think it's one of the biggest lies we've all been told. If you don't have a root relationship and endorsement of Western civilization, then actually you're not showing up to strengthen Western civilization anyway. You're showing up to destroy it. And again, being afraid to condemn radical Islamic fundamental terrorism because you're worried that you might offend people who are Muslim that are not radical terrorists. That, to me is just a further example of toxic empathy that's being taken advantage of. I mean, in theory, Buck, this 24 year old should have been. This is the argument, right, that he should have been acculturated and embraced inside of Australian society such that he would never grow up and be willing to go out and kill innocent people because of their religious faith. Yet whatever Australia provided as a basis to counteract this toxicity did not work. And so this father came to Australia, took advantage of all of the advantages of Australian life, and raised his son to grow up and be a murderer and be willing to give his life. And this is important. You know it, because you studied and have been involved here. This, this is in their mind. This father had raised his son to be a hero. His son is a martyr, which is the bravest, most extraordinary act that he could have created for his son to engage in.

[Clay Travis]

And what you're talking about, Clay, also is something that is a context that has been lost. I've seen a lot of people on the right, unfortunately, prominent voices embracing the plight of the Palestinians as though they're this, it's the. And specifically in Gaza, this innocent society of people that is being beaten up on by these big bad Israelis. And that just shows an extreme ignorance of the reality of what a Hamas ruled Gaza was like. It was a terrorist state. They teach little kids in school. There's videos of this, you can see. They teach little kids in school to want to go out and kill The Jews. I mean, this is a top down societal hatred that is inculcated in the Muslims of Gaza against the Jews and against anybody who stands with them. And that existed before October 7th. It has existed for decades. Some people will say it has existed for many centuries now. But that's a reality. That's what goes on. This is why people who have spent time either studying or even meeting with, say, Palestinians who have lost children to jihadism by being suicide bombers, meaning that their kids decided to be suicide bombers. Palestinian parents celebrate this. They celebrate this like imagine a school shooter. And in this country. And you go, we'll talk about the brown shooting in a little bit. And you were to go and sit with that family. And the family said, yes, this is what I raised my son to do, to go into a school and shoot as many innocent people as possible because he hated them and I hate them. That is Palestinian society today in Gaza, unfortunately. Or rather it was whatever's left of Gaza. That is the truth. And a lot of people on the right who don't really know a damn thing about the Middle east have seemed to have lost this. And talk about how terrible it is that there's a genocide in Gaza. There was no genocide in Gaza. There was also no starvation in Gaza. Those were lies. And the virus of jihadism, which many of us saw up close and personal in the Jiwad, is making a comeback. It never really went away, but you will see more of this and it's going to raise questions. Clay, exactly like what you were talking about a moment ago. Are people who are jihadists compatible with Western civilization, that ideology? No, they are not. Are Islamists people who believe in Islam as a vehicle for politics in Western democracies, are they compatible with Western civilization? No, they are not. So diversity is very much not our strength. When you have people who are Muslims who think that Islamic faith should be something that is used to govern and that they should use the democratic process to put Islamic principles to work. That is Islamism. And this is going to be a big problem in Europe and it's going to increasingly be a problem here unless we start to change the way we do our immigration system, whereby we take in people who adopt our system, want to be like us, the American people, not want to bring their version of something else here and then spread that.

[Buck Sexton]

And these are real conversations that should be had. And if you think that what just happened at Bondi beach is not going to happen here, we fortunately have reports that there was a major Muslim terror attack that was scheduled to happen in L. A. And thankfully, we were able to keep that from happening. But I think you worked in this world, Buck. It feels to me like absolute certainty that something similar to what happened in Bondi will be happening in the United States in who knows exactly what the horizon will be. But at some point in, unfortunately, the relatively near future, I would say that.

[Clay Travis]

Generally, and we have the evidence to prove this, our cops overall and overwhelmingly are like the cops that showed up that day at Covington. Remember, we saw that video and they just went room to room in that house, clearing it with their M4s and they eliminated the threat. That's. That's most of our cops. That's a vast majority of our cops. So I think that at least is different here. We still have something. Now, it does bring up also the gender differences among law enforcement officers because there were a bunch of female cops in Australia who were cowering behind their vehicles and they were armed and they did nothing. So that. That's a whole other thing.

[Buck Sexton]

That's an important conversation, too. I would also point this out. They haven't had a mass shooting in 30 years. How much training do they actually do to respond to a mass shooting?

[Clay Travis]

These cops couldn't. These cops couldn't hit the broadside of a bar. And clay, I can tell you that right offhand, the ones that showed up in Australia, we have cops in this country. I mean, you know, I live in Miami Beach. Just to keep bringing it back to another beach community where something like this could happen. Our police response time here is under two minutes for a fellow.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes.

[Clay Travis]

And I know the cops that are on the force here, and I know some of the guys are in the squad here and they can shoot. And if they show up, they're going to shoot. In fact, there was a hostage incident here about a year or two ago where a guy took a woman hostage in a store and put a knife to her neck. Miami beach police showed up, eliminated the threat, took him out with a headshot. So that is different. The UK Australia, they are trained to not shoot.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

Even in lethal force situations. God forbid you have to shoot a Muslim guy running around with a hatchet chopping people up. You're going to have your career iced for the next six years while they try to figure out if you were right.

[Buck Sexton]

And I know it's tough to watch, but I encourage you to watch that video again. This is open air. This is running around at one of the most public, famous places in all of Australia. It's south beach in Miami. It's Santa Monica Pier, basically in la, right. A place that if you go to those cities, you go to that beach area because it is iconic and well known. And these guys were allowed to run around with impunity for over 10 minutes killing innocent people. I mean, it's just unacceptable on every front. But the big picture question that I think has to be addressed is Western civilization is under attack and we are bringing people into Western civilized countries that are not compatible with the values that have made these countries the greatest in the history of the world. And we have to understand that we are being taken advantage of. I think this is a big deal. 800-282-2882 will continue to update you. Much less serious. Well, actually, this directly ties in. Let me switch the read that I was going to do because it's perfect right now. Some are calling the Bondi beach terror attack Australia's October 7. People were out celebrating the beginning of Hanukkah at one of the most iconic beaches in the country. Prior to the attack, social media videos circulated online. People singing, eating, laughing, enjoying time with family and friends. Videos have eerie similarities to the footage played from the Nova Festival before all hell broke loose there and terrorists unleashed their horror. Now's the time to take a stand against antisemitism and support our Jewish brothers and sisters. The IFCJ promotes understanding between Christians and Jews and builds broad support for Israel. Supporters of the fellowship can make an impact through a special matching grant. Your gift today to the IFCJ has twice the impact up to the first $50,000. Your gift will matter. It will have an impact on someone truly in need. To send your gift, call 888-488-IFCJ. That's 888-488-4325. You can also give online@ FellowshipGift.org that's FellowshipGift.org Clay Travis and Buck Sexton telling it like it is. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Clay Travis]

U n D Whether you're lighting a candle on the menorah or placing baby Jesus in the Nativity, we hope your holiday is full of grace, wonder and love.

[Buck Sexton]

And maybe even a little snow. Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah from all of us at the Clay and Buck Show.

[Clay Travis]

Third hour of Clay and Buck kicks off now. Thank you for being here with us, everyone. Talk the economy for a few minutes. We'll get back into the swing of things here on the news front after Clay's scandalous takes on music, which we'll get to those talkbacks later this hour. Keep them coming people.

[Buck Sexton]

Don't.

[Clay Travis]

Don't let him. Don't let him stop digging just because the hole keeps getting deeper and deeper. But let's get it. Speaking of Holes getting deeper and deeper. We're going to be at $40 trillion of debt before Trump's term is up. That is, unfortunately, the financial reality we face. However, however, it is the holiday or it's the holiday time. And we'd like to bring you some at least somewhat encouraging news whenever we can about the economy. Here is, for example, National Economic Council director. He was on Face the Nation saying this is Kevin Hassett saying that there will be a 600 billion. There will be $600 billion less in added to the deficit this year, or rather in the deficit this year than last year. Play 5.

[Buck Sexton]

We've got deficit going way, way down. So right now it's looking like the deficit for this year will be $600 billion lower than it was last year.

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[Buck Sexton]

We've got the trade deficit cut in half from last year. And so all these things are things that should continue to move us towards the Fed target of 2%.

[Clay Travis]

So that means that we could see continued rate cuts. That means that things are I think, moving in the right direction. It's a massive challenge, the overall debt and our cycle of overspending. But Trump is, this administration is taking action. And there's also the tariffs component of this. This has got 22. Trump on Sunday was at a Christmas reception and he was taking a bit of a victory lap here on what he says is the income from. I assume, Clay, this is tariffs as well as commitments to invest because the tariff number is not 18 trillion, but tariffs slash investment commitments in the US from countries like South Korea and others. This is cut 22. Play it. Without the November 5th election, you would have had a president that didn't have the courage to use tariffs the way they should be used. And because of the tariffs, we've taken in more than 18. Think of this $18 trillion. There's never been anything like it. As an example, the previous administration, sleepy Joe Biden took in less than 1 trillion in four years. We took in more than 18 trillion in 10 months. I'd say that's pretty good, right? I'd say that's pretty good. And if you go back, if you go back into history, there's never been a country that's taken in more than $3 trillion. Clay, what do you make of it? Things to be at least feeling optimistic about with this economy.

[Buck Sexton]

The economy is going to be really good. The deficits were screwed. And I just. You and I have talked about this a lot in the five years that we've been on this show nearly together. There is no willingness or recognition to acknowledge the threat that exists when it comes to grow deficit. And I think Elon may have said it best, Buck, when he just basically threw up at his hands and said, we've got to grow our way out of this, and grow our way out of this means that the economy has to grow fast enough that we can start to reverse the tide of these deficits. And Elon is actually optimistic that we're going to be able to do it with AI Fingers crossed. But no one wants their benefits cut. No one wants to pay higher taxes. We are in a society that is aging. And so the idea that somehow we're going to create surpluses going forward and pay it back, I'm just incredibly skeptical that the dynamics will allow that to be true. And so I, I think all of these challenges are coming together. I said as we went to break, so let's be positive here as we come up on the end of the first year. I think that two things can be true simultaneously. Trump has had one of the most successful years of a presidency that has ever existed in any of our lives. I really do believe that. I think he deserves an A rating. He solved everything at the border. Crime, generally speaking, has come down, but we remain in a situation where the bigger threat for generational issues is the deficit that we have created. And one of the challenges associated with the deficit, Buck, is everybody has to be agreed to be pulling in the same direction. And I actually think this ties in with some of the challenges that we are seeing being brought to bear across the country. Shooting at Brown University, we do not know who the shooter was. If you watch the video, looks to be someone clad, a male, basically, likely clad in all black, walking away. The fact that they cannot catch that person is a symptom of failure in policing, in my opinion, given all the security that exist on Brown's campus, that this was allowed to occur and that someone could open fire and get away like this is, is. Is a failure on all facets. What we just saw happen in Bondi, I think, is an evidence of the generational battle that we are fighting for the future of Western civilization. When you have people that are acculturated in some way, have spent a generation or more living in Australia, and yet they want to kill innocent Jews more than they want to take advantage of the abundance and opportunity that Western freedoms bring to bear. Also, I think you look at, unfortunately, the murder of Rob Reiner and his wife Michelle. They were murdered by their son. All of these stories are awful. That happened over the weekend. Probably the three biggest stories that we've been talking about during the course of today's show, and they all kind of tie into me, Buck, with the number one goal of any society has to be to provide security to the people that live there. Because if there is not security, then all of the other things can't follow. You can't have a functional economy if people aren't safe to be able to live within the structure of that country. And I think they represent all of them on different levels. Left wing failures, frankly. And I think we're going to see these all interconnected. Still remains to be seen what the motive is of the Brown shooter. The Brown University shooter we should mention. I was just in Birmingham, Buck. Ella Cook, one of the victims that was killed by this shooter at Brown University was the vice president of the College Republicans. You know a little bit about this because you were conservative and you went to an east coast school. There's hardly any outspoken public college Republicans in general on many of these campuses. Ella Cook seems to have been a unique voice for good, well liked by many people on campus and willing to stand up for political opinions which are in a substantial minority. And we remain to see whether there was any sort of connection as to why these people were killed. There are two dead kids. But I do think that all of this awfulness coming as it does on the precipice of the holiday season, I think you can go and look at all of it and root it in failure to provide security for people who live in western civilization.

[Clay Travis]

Well, let's look at some of the security failure there. Brown University campus is a gun free zone. Brown is very explicit that now some states ban any firearms on public university campuses like state schools, effectively. And then there's private institutions that can make their own decisions depending on the state. Brown prohibits. Brown prohibits not only any firearm carrying by any person, Clay, they prohibit paintball guns, slingshots, knives with a blade longer than 3 inches, and any toy firearm that could be potentially perceived as real. I read that all out to you because what exactly is the point of that? Think about this for a moment. Who is. Let's really just work through this piece by piece. Oh, I want to be clear. They also ban people who have a lawful concealed carry permit from carrying. No one is allowed to carry except for law enforcement. Where was law enforcement during the shooting? Not there. Were they even able to apprehend the suspect? No. Everyone on that campus was left utterly defenseless by Brown University as a result of or, you know, in the moment.

[Buck Sexton]

And building on that buck. How many? This is something that I think if we had real media, they would dive into it. You and I both spent a lot of time on campus campuses in speeches and schooling and everything else. Wouldn't you suspect that Brown would have hundreds of people that they employ in security on that campus? Like that doesn't seem like a crazy number to me. Does it seem like a crazy number to you?

[Clay Travis]

Probably not armed. Probably mostly not armed.

[Buck Sexton]

But. But with, but aren't. But yes. Okay, maybe not armed security, but the number of security guards on that campus would be in the hundreds. I would bet that they.

[Clay Travis]

What value is an unarmed security guard when you have a maniac running around shooting people?

[Buck Sexton]

This is what I'm asking, like what are they actually providing security for? If you can have someone go armed into a campus building, kill two people, wound severely nine people and they don't even stop him. I, I, I mean this is. If I'm a parent, if I'm a parent of a Brown University student, I'm looking around saying, wait a minute, you charge? What does Brown cost? I bet it's 80 or $90,000 a year when you roll in room and board and everything else. 75, certainly at least room and board and tuition and everything else. The number one thing that you should be providing on Brown is the same thing that I would say that we should provide to every citizen. But if you're paying all that money, you should have security. Security on campus at a minimum to stop a guy from going shooting up a building and walking off and getting away. It's been 48 hours now.

[Clay Travis]

I mean the security on campus could be helpful. What would be even more helpful is if you had somebody on Brown campus who was concealed, caring who's a good guy, who the shooter wouldn't know about and would have to take into account if he's going to engage in something like this. All a gun free zone on a college campus does is make sure that there is no chance of a trained and armed civilian being able to defend himself or herself and those around that person from a determined murderer. Because the murderer, this should be a shock to no one doesn't care about violating Brown's policy on firearms. So all you're doing is preventing people who remember, you can't even have it in your car, Clay. You can't even have it in your dorm room. It cannot even be excess, never mind like carrying it around with you. You can't even have possession of it anywhere on Brown University's campus. How, in what universe does that make anyone safer? How could anyone be safer as a result of. Safer from what?

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, by the way, $72,000 a year. Brown Tuition. Tuition and room and board now costs, according to Google AI and our staff, $95,984 a year. So you're talking about just shy of a hundred thousand dollars a year in tuition, room and board. And to your point, Buck, there is actually no one to provide security when a true bad guy shows up. We don't know his motive, we don't even know who the heck he is. But now we know that he was able to go into a campus building, kill two hospitalized nine, no opposition whatsoever, walk out of the building, leave campus, nobody stopping him, no issues whatsoever. And to your point, we've talked about this off air. If you go and look, a lot of times when these guys and gals go shoot up schools, it happened at Covenant School in Nashville, it happened in Minneapolis recently. They actually go scout the places out, confirm that there aren't people to oppose them, and then enact their awfulness and their, their violence upon those locations. In other words, they've actually done the research. And I bet this shooter will have two buck to know where they can go and the fact that they are unlikely to be confronted by anybody.

[Clay Travis]

Unfortunately, Clay, in the, in the context of schools, you know that if you don't see security, there's no, there's nobody who's going to have a gun other than security. So you're. This is why concealed carry is such a useful component of the security equation. Because, you know, it reminds me of my, my, my brother. We used to go out together, we would joke around. I mean, he has a, he has a Pomeranian, a little carrying case. And he had like a Sig365X in that Pomeranian carrying case with three magazines at all times. Yeah, and he shoots even more than I. He shoots all the time. So it's like if you're a bad guy. Now, I understand that's just one person, but there's a lot of that here in Florida. There's a lot of that.

[Buck Sexton]

People at your Christmas party, do you think had guns in that Christmas party?

[Clay Travis]

Well, that's different because you can't conceal carry at a bar and we were at a bar.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay.

[Clay Travis]

So.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, I was. Okay.

[Clay Travis]

But there was, if you want to know, there were. There was armed security there because of some of the personnel who attended. So there were guns in that room, but only by people that are specifically allowed to have guns in that Situation.

[Buck Sexton]

At Dave Rubin's party, I think we said we went there not trying to put him on blast here. Good party. A bunch of people had guns. Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

There are people that. There are people that had firearms. Sure.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. And as a result, I frankly. I mean, the world that we live in right now, if I'm going to be with people that. That have. Have been targeted, I would rather there be a lot of guns around as opposed to none. Right. And so I've said this. Every time a school gets shot up. My kids in public school in the Nashville, Tennessee area, every school in my county has an armed security guard there. I think this should be standard everywhere. The fact that Brown. $100,000 a year nearly these kids, parents are paying for them to go to school there. The fact that this could happen, it should be, we may never get this guy. I mean, I don't know. I mean, the evidence that they seem to have right now, they arrested some random guy at a hotel who had nothing to do with it. That's not a sign that they have very good sense for what's going on, Buck. And the tips so far have not seemed very good either. I want to tell you all about chalk and how much of a difference it can make as we come in this holiday season. I had a couple of Christmas parties yesterday. Long days. Had a party with Buck. Had a party with Dave Rubin. Lots of you going out to holiday parties all over the country and with your friends and your family. Get gearing up for travel. We leave on Friday. Gonna be traveling some. I know that a lot of you are going to be traveling some, too. Takes a lot of energy. How many of you out there? One of your soon to be New Year's goals might be to have a little bit more energy than vigor, vitality in your life so that you don't look like a white dude for Harris. So that you don't look like Joe Biden. So that you're able to keep up with the kids and the grandkids. So that you're able to keep the busy calendar season and be in better shape for yourself in 26 than you otherwise would be. Let's go get hooked up right now at chalk. Awesome. Great deal on a subscription for life. My name's C L A Y that C H O q dot com. My name Clay. To get hooked up on a great subscription for life, all you have to do is go to choq.com. my name Clay. Get hooked up right now. Best subscription deal for life. Chalk is all natural and increase your Testosterone levels by 20% over the course of the year. Get hooked up right now. Choq.com. that's chalk.com news you can count on and some laughs, too. Clay Travis at Buck Sexton. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcast.

[Clay Travis]

Santa Claus Applause is coming to town. As long as you don't agree with Clay that R B is the worst form of music. That's for sure. Crazy. Crazy takes flying around like Rudolph himself here up in the sky. Today on the Clay and Buck show. You look like. You look like you're. You're chomping at the bit to, to jump in on this one, sir. I'm. I'm trying to give you a. An off ramp here. I don't think.

[Buck Sexton]

No, I think I, I think I'm 100% right on this. And it's. There's so much darkness out in the world today. Why would we add more darkness by embracing the worst music that has been created in the last 25 or so years? R and B music. So I just, I refuse to play that game and go down that dark hole of despair by making it even darker and even more. What is the plural of despair? Even more desperate, Even worse. I think depressing would work there, buddy. I think depressing.

[Clay Travis]

There you go.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, is that, is that an actual direct connection to despair, though?

[Clay Travis]

No, no, I was just trying to help you with a synonym. Yeah, okay. Oh, that's what I get for trying to help Frank in Kentucky, he worked at law enforcement, wants to weigh in on the news today. What's going on, Frank?

[Frank (Caller from Kentucky)]

Hey, guys. Love the show. Hey, listen, to put it in perspective where Clay can grab it, Brown's about the same size as Vanderbilt. They have about 85 police officer slots. No police department is fully complement right now because it's hard to want people to be the police. So they probably had 75 officers on hired at the time. Take the administration out because you're always going to have them take the detectives out. Divided three shifts, days off. They'd be lucky if they had 10 guys working that day. And if they're like Vanderbilt, four or five of those are going to be assigned to the hospital. So if they had five on the street, it would be amazing. And then think about the fact. Do you think Brown University is actually going to have the back of any cop that's doing proactive work? Heck no. So it's all reactive.

[Buck Sexton]

They don't. This is, this is all super good analysis because we were talking for people who maybe didn't hear this guy shoots up the building, kills two students, wounds nine other people's, many of those severe wounds and just walks out of the campus and they don't catch him at all. Does that surprise you that he could do that? I like the way that you're analyzing this. Or do you think you mentioned Vanderbilt, which is in my backyard here. I'm an alum. I mean, to give me a size. It's not a huge campus. We're not talking for people out there. We're not talking about an Ohio state sized campus where there are tens of thousands of students and hundreds of acres involved. Does it surprise you that this could happen or do you think there's a lot of college campuses where kids may think they're safe and parents may think their kids are safe, but somebody could walk in, shoot them up and walk right off the campus and get away with it? Because while you're talking about just the brown cops, we also have all of the Providence area police that I would think should also be able to respond. Right. Because it's in the middle of a city. So it's not as if this is some rural, isolated campus environment where there aren't resources surrounding it.

[Frank (Caller from Kentucky)]

Yeah, I work in a city that has a university. We were not the first call when things jumped off on campus. So it does take a little bit of time before your city police get involved or your state or wherever you're at. Universities are not near as safe as they lead people to believe because they see the police as a, an unwanted necessity. They tell their officers, don't go out here stirring up stuff, don't be proactive because then we have to report the crime and we don't want to report the crime. So if you don't go find it, we don't have to report it and we'll get more students that come to our school. So it absolutely could happen. Universities are not near as safe as people are led to believe.

[Buck Sexton]

And I mean, this is all really, really interesting, I think, to walk through because when I was on campus they would always tell us and I think you hear it all the time. This is a very safe place. A lot of campuses have like the big blue lights that you hit or somebody could show up if you feel uncomfortable, safer eyes, stuff like this. But I just never would have believed. Would you, Buck? And I appreciate Frank from Kentucky calling in. If you had told me, hey, you can walk into an Ivy League campus with a gun. I think we just lost Frank and shoot up a building and the guy can Walk off campus. I would have never believed that was possible because that video is him just walking off campus, and we may never know who did it. I mean, that is utterly insane to me that that could happen. But it makes me wonder how many other campuses are equally as susceptible to an attack like this as Brown was? And what. What safety have we been sold? Because I. I think most people understand that it's almost impossible to stop the shooting. There's a new video, by the way, that Fox News is playing of the person they say an interest in at Brown University. But I'm not saying that I'm stunned that there could be a shooting on campus. I am utterly stunned that someone could leave a campus like a Brown University and just get away with it. I would not have believed that was possible, that you could shoot up a place and just walk off the. Off the facility.

[Clay Travis]

Well, it depends on how many exits you have. You know, you have to look at the specifics, the tactical realities that you're dealing with. You would think that the police response, though, I think would be fast enough. Where that would be. That would be hard. But, Clay, you know, people get away with a lot of things. I work the Times Square bombing as part of a task force of hundreds of people. Just to be clear, I was one of, you know, a cast of thousands practically by the time Square bombing back in 2010. Faisal Shahzad. And I write about this in my book Manufacturing Delusion, where I've never written about it before. You should go get a copy of it on Amazon or wherever fine books are sold. But I remember that case. The guy set a truck, a car bomb in Times Square on an absolutely beautiful and busy Saturday. And Clay, he got to the airport and got on the plane.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

He was heading back to Pakistan. He almost got. So people do get away when they. You think, oh, it's Times Square, all the cops and everything, they're like, no, if you get a head start, you never know the shooter.

[Buck Sexton]

That would be assassin of Trump at the West Palm beach golf course. He got.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

The only reason they caught him was because a woman in the parking lot where he had been set up for hours jotted down his license plate number as he was fleeing when the Secret Service fired at him.

[Clay Travis]

Clay, the Charlie Kirk assassin turned himself in.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

We did not catch him. He turned himself in.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

So, you know, this is. This is the reality that.

[Buck Sexton]

Sorry to cut you off. One reason they did find the gun for the Charlie Kirk assassin. He abandoned it. According to reports on the Utah Valley campus Was there. Has there been any discussion about the weapon that was used and whether it was abandoned on the site or if the shooter just continued with that weapon afterwards? I. I haven't seen the specifics on that particular case, some of you may know, but I haven't seen that reported in the same. In the same way we were able to find that gun because he had to abandon it, and that was a long rifle, so it was harder to. To conceal. I think the shooting in Brown, if I'm not mistaken, was a handgun. So the individual in question here may well have just been able to put that gun inside of. Inside of his outfit and continued on, but we may never catch him. And, And I think that's a question that a lot of campus security officials have to be asking in the wake of this, is it's one thing to allow a shooting. It's almost impossible, I should say, stop a shooting from happening. That's very difficult if someone is committed to it. But the idea that someone could do it, kill two people, wound nine, and then just leave and, and they wouldn't be able to stop it. It's kind of crazy.

[Clay Travis]

It is indeed. So I wonder. I honestly was thinking that they would have an update for his clay during the course. Yeah, I thought they'll probably get him during the show and maybe they will right when we're finished. But you would think, I mean, the era that we're in of cell phone tracking cameras everywhere, a lot of surveillance, it should be a lot harder to get away with crimes now than it has been previously. But it's still. Situations like this still happen far too frequently where an assailant in broad daylight in a crowded place is able to kill a bunch of people and get away, which. Which causes also a continuing risk to the public, too. Let's. It's not just the frustration of, we haven't gotten this person, maybe they're going to go try to shoot somebody else. That was certainly. Remember the Boston Marathon bombers, the manhunt for them, the huge concern there was, well, they're not done. I mean, these guys probably want to go out in a, you know, in a. In a shootout of some kind or something. So. And they remember they got away after being at the Boston Marathon. So it's a pretty common thing for the assailants to escape. But we don't know anything about this guy right now who did the shooting on the Brown campus, other than. The only thing that goes to motive at this point is the. The vice president of the Republican Club was one of those killed. That could be coincidental, to be clear. It could be. It does seem that that would be quite a coincidence. But it could be. We, you know, we, we don't know. That's the only data point we have that starts to go toward any kind of a motive. It could be totally a personal grudge. It's really just guessing and surmising at this point. Clay.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, look, we had some fun over the weekend. Some decent things did happen. A lot of you went to great Christmas parties and we had a grandpa throw a touchdown pass in the NFL. Philip Rivers 44 year old grandpa came out of retirement and threw a touchdown pass and price picks they actually put up. This was very funny. Buck. They had their graphic of Philip Rivers on the Prize Picks app as Joe Biden super old guy that they had returning to the NFL. They used a Joe Biden graphic for Philip Rivers on the app. You can play along at Price picks. Go to pricepicks.com code clay $5 when you play with $5, you get $50 deposited in your account. All you have to do is use my name. Clay. That's C L A Y. Prizepix.com Code Clay you can play in California and play in Texas. You can play in Georgia. You can play all over the country. Get hooked up [e-mail] Code Clay Grandpa Philip Rivers playing Monday Night Football. Coming up, we'll see how he does. PricePix.com Code Clay Making America Great again isn't just one man, it's many. The Team 47 podcast Sundays at noon Eastern in the country. Clay and Buck podcast feed. Find it on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Buck Sexton]

U N D welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show, we're talking about the Brown shooting and the fact that they do not know the Brown University Providence, Rhode island shooting, they have now released a second video. You can barely see anything on this video too. So in addition to the fact that there was no response at all, I think if you are spending the money that these universities are supposedly spending on security, I'm looking at this video that they now have released. This is the second video. You could still see nothing. They have 800 cameras on campus. Now. Maybe some of these cameras are inoperable and they're more for show than they are for actual detection of of crime or danger on campus. But not only did this guy, presumably it's a guy, although we don't even really know, go into campus and kill two people and shoot up a building and have nine different people that he put in the hospital, but he was able to walk all the way through the campus and they have virtually zero footage of him at all in a way that could Remotely help someone catch this guy. I mean, I'm watching it again, all in black. You can see very little about him. It's cold, and it's difficult to see. Yell Eckstein is with us now, right before we finish the program. We've talked to her quite a lot. And I bet you were like both Buck and myself, y', all, when you woke up and saw the news about the shooting in Sydney. It's awful. But given all the anti Semitism that had been occurring in Australia, did it surprise you, unfortunately, that this even happened?

[Yell Eckstein]

Wow. Well, this world is so dark. It's so sad to say that nothing is surprising me these days. I lived through October 7th, and I've lived through 30, 35,000 rockets being rained down on Israel from seven different fronts. And so when I see the terror attacks that are happening around the world, my heart breaks, but it's not surprising. And the message that's very clear to me is that it's not isolated to Australia or America or Europe or Israel. We are in this together. It is a global threat of darkness that hates light. And so when I saw it, the first thing that I thought about was how Christians and Jews and those who sanctify life, we have to come together to do whatever we can to bring light in the world and not just rely on the politicians to make the right decisions on our behalf.

[Clay Travis]

Yale, it's Buck. Thank you for being with us. If you could just speak to. How has Australia been when it comes to the handling of antisemitism? I just think there's a. There's always a context here in countries where a terrible attack like this happens. You know, there's obviously been anti Semitism here in America, specifically after the October 7th attacks. And then on campuses, people saw a lot of that, but there was a huge pushback against that from the Trump administration, from millions and millions of Americans across the country. Can you speak to. Is Australia a place where this is taken with seriousness, or is it allowed to fester, perhaps more than it should?

[Yell Eckstein]

Well, we've seen across Australia lots of. Not just rallies that were violent, calling for the destruction of Israel and attack on Jews, but we've seen politicians take part in that in Australia. They have not done a good job at trying to stop the anti Semitism that's been growing over the years. And that's when I realized that it's us. It's the silenced majority. There are, I would say, 300 million Christians around the world. You look at the Far east, you look at Korea and China, you look at South America, America. You look in Australia and across North America. Jews and Christians today need to stand together. And when we don't rely on the government to take the right stand, we can make such a big difference. Just since October 7, the fellowship has distributed 6 million meals to people who needed it. We've placed thousands of bomb shelters in Israel. We've provided security to Jewish institutions around the world, including in Australia, where there are threats. And we've gone into Syria to provide medical clinics and food boxes for persecuted Christians in Syria. And so I think we have to stop relying on the government, and we have to do whatever we can, the little bit each one of us can to go out and do it in order to bring comfort and hope to each other.

[Buck Sexton]

Because they're not happy. Yeah, sorry to cut you off there. Is this the worst that you've ever seen when it comes to antisemitism around the world?

[Yell Eckstein]

Well, they. It took 20 minutes for the authorities to respond. And it was actually a heroic Arab man who attacked one of the gunmen and took the gun out of his hand that stopped so many more people from being killed. But, yes, we've seen it, though, across the world. We've seen it in Buenos Aires. We've seen it in America. We've seen it Synagogues being shot up. So 15 people killed, and that number is still going up. It's something. There are no words to describe the pain of the global Jewish community and all people who sanctify life. But it's going to get worse if we don't take a stand against it, both politically and as individuals. There's no more. We don't have the luxury of staying silent anymore. Just like we put our Christmas trees on the public square and our Hanukkah menorah is on the public square. We have to go to the public square and say, we stand for life. We stand for freedom. We won't let this happen under our watch. Am I my brother's keeper? Yes, I am.

[Buck Sexton]

Very well said, Yao. We appreciate all the work that you and the Fellowship is doing of Christians and Jews around the world, particularly as we move closer and closer to Christmas. And Hanukkah itself is already underway. We'll be talking more and more about this, the latest on the Brown shooter. Hopefully we'll be able to catch the person who shot up the university soon and more tomorrow. Thanks for hanging with us on Clay and Buck.

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