Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Dec 8 2025

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Podcast Summary: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Daily Review with Clay and Buck – Dec 8, 2025
Release Date: December 8, 2025
Podcast Host: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

In this lively and opinionated Monday episode, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton dive into the biggest current events in news, politics, and media, airing frank takes on the Ukraine aid scandal, the future of mainstream media in light of proposed major mergers, Biden's border and immigration policies (as newly criticized by the New York Times), and a controversial Portland court verdict that raises thorny questions about free speech, violence, and race in America. The hosts weave in personal anecdotes, audience questions, and characteristic banter while maintaining an engaging, conversational tone.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Clay's Weekend and Listener Encounters

• Clay’s travels: Recaps weekend spent at the Big Ten title game and the FIFA draw (02:35), sharing positive experiences with listeners and praising Indianapolis as a city.
• Notable Moment: Met a game official who is a daily show listener, highlighting the program's broad reach.

2. Ukraine Aid Corruption and Media Coverage

• Topic: The New York Times’ front-page acknowledgment of money misappropriation in Ukraine aid.
• Key Argument:
  • Clay: “Yet another conspiracy has been proven to be true, that people...arguing, ‘hey, a ton of our money that we've been sending there is...lining the pockets of elite people in power in Ukraine.’ That has 100% been proven to the extent that now even the New York Times is willing to put it on the front page.” (03:45)

3. Mega Media Mergers: Netflix vs. Paramount for Warner Bros

• Significance:
  • Clay expresses deep concern over possible Netflix acquisition of Warner Brothers, calling it a "super important" media story for the next 18 months (06:20–10:50).
  • “If CNN ends up staying super left wing, that is not a good thing for the country...I think if you're a Trump voter, you want Paramount to buy Warner Brothers.” (10:52)
• Buck’s Media Analysis:
  • Explains how CNN’s trustworthy image from the Gulf War era ("the 90s era") is gone; now news is commodified online, and “the currency of the news media” is the trustworthiness of individual personalities. (08:31)
  • “CNN...that model is going to get largely—I don't think it can ever come back, is my position on this.” (09:34)

4. Presidential Power and the Supreme Court

• Topic: Pending Supreme Court decision could dramatically affect how much power presidents have, impacting Trump and all future presidents (12:00).
• Clay: “This is a seismically substantial story as it pertains to how all of this will play out.” (36:00)

5. Border, Immigration, and the New York Times Take on Biden

• Buck’s Take:
  • Highlights the New York Times’ criticism of Biden immigration policy as a political tactic to salvage Democrat chances in the 2026 midterms.
  • “They view the stakes as very high...willing to do absolutely anything to try to get Democrats back in control, even if that means throwing some Democrats under the bus.” (20:13–22:02)
• Victory Lap:
  • “We told you it was going to be a huge issue...immigration, border, crime...We've been talking about this for the whole time we've been doing the show.” (22:02)
• Kamala as Border Czar:
  • Buck: “If you wanted something to be completely ineffective, putting Kamala in charge [of the border]…probably a good idea.” (22:48)
  • Lampoons “addressing the root causes” doctrine as naive (23:00)
• Birthright Citizenship & Assimilation:
  • Clay lays out “magnet” effect of U.S. economy and problematic birthright citizenship policy, calling for Supreme Court to reconsider it:
  • “If you come to the United States...you have a child in the United States, that child becomes a citizen. That should not exist and we should do away with it.” (25:13)
  • Both hosts rail against the current immigration system’s lottery and chain migration.
  • Buck: “It is a giant scam and essentially one huge welfare operation for the third world.” (27:21)
  • Both agree the U.S. needs more assimilation time: “It’s time that we have a total top down look not only at illegal immigration, but at legal immigration in this country.” (29:02)

6. Portland Stabbing Verdict: Free Speech, Violence, and Race

• The Case:
  • A Portland jury acquitted a black homeless man who stabbed a white homeless man, apparently accepting the defense that being called the N-word justified the violence.
  • Clay: “This is now becoming orthodox belief in many parts of America.” (39:04)
• Speech & Violence:
  • Buck strongly denounces the standard that “there's only one word in the English language that if you are white...you are not allowed to say in any context whatsoever...That is absurd...That should change.” (41:31)
  • “This is also really the only word that...people will argue that violence against you if you use [it], is somehow justified. That is also wrong.” (43:52)
  • Both hosts agree: “Words are not violence, and we have allowed a world to exist where now a jury is actually willing to vote not guilty entirely based on this was self defense because of word choices.” (47:47)
• Connection to Censorship and Cancel Culture:
  • Clay: “If you are willing to buy into the idea that a word can keep somebody out of prison and even justify the attack, then you’re willing to say words are violence, which I think is a strong premise of the left in this country right now.” (48:33)
  • Buck: “We shouldn’t have a situation where you have to have it removed from your book where you’re quoting somebody else. That’s crazy.” (50:18)

7. Audience Calls & Reflections on Words, Context, and Censorship

• Callers echo the “sticks and stones” aphorism
  • Bill in New Jersey: “When I was a kid, the line was, ‘sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.’ We need a little more of that around the world these days.” (61:25)
• Common sense outrage:
  • Trucker Mike in Arizona: “So if someone calls me white trash...does that give me justification to stab them?...It's asinine and stupid. I agree with you guys.” (62:06)
• On context and literary bans:
  • Brandon in Milwaukee raises how Huck Finn is treated in schools and the risk of erasing history’s hard truths by censorship. (63:16)
• Clay and Buck both agree:
  • “Violence should not be the response.” (65:20)
  • “Defining word use without analyzing context...makes no sense.” (65:40)
  • Buck: “There are words that you shouldn't use...but there are contexts in which you need to be able to say any word in the English language.” (43:30, 66:10)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Ukraine aid story:
  • Clay Travis (03:45): “Yet another conspiracy has been proven to be true, that people...arguing, ‘hey, a ton of our money that we've been sending there is...lining the pockets of elite people in power in Ukraine.’...now even the New York Times is willing to put it on the front page.”
• On media consolidation (10:52):
  • Clay Travis: “If CNN ends up staying super left wing, that is not a good thing for the country. And so that's why I think this is significant.”
• On CNN’s decline (09:34):
  • Buck Sexton: “CNN...that model is going to get largely—I don't think it can ever come back, is my position on this.”
• On birthright citizenship (25:13):
  • Clay Travis: “That child becomes a citizen. That should not exist and we should do away with it.”
• On using slurs and violence (43:52):
  • Buck Sexton: “This is also really the only word that I am familiar with where people will argue that violence against you if you use the word, is somehow justified. That is also wrong.”
• Summing up the Portland jury verdict (47:47):
  • Clay Travis: “Words are not violence, and we have allowed a world to exist where now a jury is actually willing to vote not guilty entirely based on this was self defense because of word choices.”
• On censorship double standards (66:26):
  • Buck Sexton: “A lot of comedians for the last two or three decades, that’s like the favorite word that they use when they’re on stage all the time. But you do it, your life should be ruined. No, I’m sorry. Disagree, disagree.”

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Timestamps of Important Segments

• 02:35 – Clay describes meeting listeners and Big Ten championship weekend
• 03:45 – Ukraine aid corruption story and mainstream media coverage
• 06:20 – Introduction to Warner Bros. media merger and why it matters
• 08:31 – Buck on CNN’s media transformation
• 12:00 – Scope of executive power and the impending Supreme Court case
• 20:13 – NYT’s critique of Biden on immigration; 2026 midterm implications
• 22:48 – Kamala Harris as ineffective “border czar”; “root causes” mocked
• 25:13 – Detailed argument against birthright citizenship
• 27:21 – Critique of current legal immigration system as “welfare operation”
• 39:04 – Introduction to Portland stabbing case and its significance
• 41:31 – 43:52 – The “unsayable” word, free speech, and the slippery slope of justified violence
• 47:47 – Clay on the implications of words as violence
• 61:25 – Caller Bill invokes “sticks and stones...” and the need for resilience
• 66:26 – Discussion of censorship, context, and double standards in language

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Tone & Style

• The hosts blend political seriousness with bold, unfiltered opinion and relatable humor, consistently appealing to common sense and traditional values. Callers and personal anecdotes help maintain an inviting and conversational energy.

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Summary

This episode delivers robust conservative analysis on pressing news in political corruption, media mergers, and border policies, and spotlights a cultural turning point in the legal treatment of hate speech and violence. Clay and Buck make the case for vigilance against left-wing overreach—not only in politics and media, but increasingly in the very boundaries of speech, law, and social norms—insisting that context, resilience, and open debate remain bulwarks against censorship and mob rule. Listeners come away with key context and pointed arguments on the state of American discourse and policy as 2025 draws to a close—with a few laughs (and digs at Clay's rosé drinking) along the way.

Transcript

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[Clay Travis]

U n D welcome in Monday edition Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. I don't know if Buck is even aware. But chaos in the College Football Playoff rankings was my weekend festivities. Buck I was in Indianapolis, got to meet a bunch of our listeners at the Big Ten title game. Had an awesome time up there. India is a great, just a great city to walk around downtown. They've done a fantastic job of making that just a very accessible spot. They had a ton of different events going on. I don't think I'm putting them on blast too much. But one of the officials, as I was walking around the field for the Big Ten title game, walked over and sought me out just to say that he loves the radio show and he listens every day. So he's in his full officiating gear getting ready for the Big Ten, Big Ten championship game. You never know who is a Clay and Buck listener out there. And we had a nice chat. So I appreciate him coming over and, and, and talking. I was all over the place. I was in D.C. i met a bunch of our people for the FIFA draw, called in for that, and then Indy. And now I'm back home and excited to, to, to be with all of you. So there's a bunch of stuff out there. Buck as we come up on Christmas and as things typically start to slow down a bit, there's actually some big stories out there that I thought we could, could have some fun with. All of you with front page story, today's New York Times. Ukraine, huge grift. There is billions and billions, probably frankly, hundreds of billions of dollars that suddenly on the front page of the New York Times, they acknowledge has been intentionally set up to allow theft. I think that when we look at Ukraine and Russia and the peace plan that is moving through there. Buck I think one of the challenges is Ukrainians are increasingly becoming aware that there is a great deal of corruption surrounding everything having to do with Zelensky. How much he's personally involved and, and or benefiting remains to be seen. But it is the case that yet another conspiracy has been proven to be true, that people who are have been arguing, hey, a ton of our money that we've been sending there is not being spent on defending Ukraine or fighting Russia. It's actually lining the pockets of elite people in power in Ukraine. That has 100% been proven to the extent that now even the New York Times is willing to put it on the front page of the newspaper. So we can get into that. 60 Minutes interviews. Marjorie Taylor Greene, as soon as you decide that you want to rip Trump, suddenly you are worthy of a 60 Minutes profile. But I actually think this story is more significant than maybe many would realize. And it's going to play out over the next year and it's going to be a big decision for the Trump administration, DOJ and for the antitrust to analyze. And that is that Netflix is trying to buy Warner Brothers. The HBO essential portion of Warner Brothers, the Harry Potter film franchise, the Game of Thrones, anything that you've watched on hbo. Netflix is trying to buy Paramount, which has been acquired by the Ellison family. Paramount has put in a larger bid to buy the entirety of Warner Brothers, which would include cnn. So if you are out there right now and you're listening to me and Buck and you're saying, okay, you know, maybe you subscribe to Netflix, maybe you watch HBO occasionally, but you're saying, clay, why should I care who owns this company? I think it's actually super important. And if you are of the opinion that there should be a middle of the road, rational media out there, notwithstanding the criticism I just levied against 60 minutes, I think if Netflix buys HBO, that it is a mostly left wing organization. Netflix is, I think that CNN will be left to continue to be a left wing organization. I personally, Buck, like the idea of Paramount acquiring the entirety of Warner Brothers, including cnn, and trying to run CNN as what it used to be. You know, you worked at CNN back in the day before they went full crazy, Buck. But I, I, I witnessed the, the.

[Buck Sexton]

Transition to full crazy. Just, I, I was there when, you know, in Freddie, if you Star wars nerds.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

When the emperor all of a sudden, like his face changes and he gets all scary. I witnessed that at cnn.

[Clay Travis]

So for those of us who are old enough to remember it, and I imagine that's a lot of the people out there listening. It was not that long ago in the grand scheme of things, when during the Gulf War, for instance, CNN made a name for itself and everybody trusted CNN to be on the ground and really legitimately report the news that was going on. Heck, even whatever you thought of Larry King back in the day, Larry King wasn't some, I mean, he got married nine or ten times, whatever the heck it was. So personally, he had some issues. But in terms of his show on a nightly basis, you may feel differently. Buck. I thought it was very middle of the road, right. He got good guests, they had conversations, CNN lost its way. And I do think that if CNN ends up staying super left wing, that is not a good thing for the country. And so that's why I think this is significant.

[Buck Sexton]

There are some broader trends as well. Though, that CNN got caught up in, for example, when you mentioned the Gulf War and CNN's absolute heyday, which I would say is the 90s era. CNN, Clay, that was really pre or early stage Internet people can get information from anywhere now, right? This is what. Like what. What do we do here that they don't do in the AP headlines? We entertain, we engage, we bring a point of view, we bring life stories, we bring, you know, a conversation, right? We're with our friends talking about these things. We're not breaking news on the latest ceasefire between Thailand and Cambodia, because by the time somebody does that, it's on the global Internet and everybody's right. It doesn't really. That's a thing that I think is ongoing, by the way. There's fighting between these two countries, in case you didn't know. So that's something that's going on. We are in an era now, Clay, where storytelling, connection to audience analysis and trustworthiness of the person, not of the entity, but of the people or person speaking to you is the currency of the news media. And so how does CNN operate in an era where that's the case? If they did straight news, they wouldn't really have an audience. I think this is the challenge that they run into because just news without opinion isn't going to engage either side. And they don't have an information advantage anymore. Everyone is putting the news up instantaneously. So we've entered a new era of news and information online. And there's some great parts about that. There are some not great parts about that, but CNN I think, and that model is going to get largely. I don't think it can ever come back, is my position on this. I don't actually think CNN is salvageable as what it was in the 90s because the world has changed. Part of why they went so insane is because, well, it was mostly because Jeff Zucker hated Trump and it was personal. But beyond that, you know, they brought in that other guy who got fired for doing the Vanity Fair piece. Basic. Was it Vanity Fair, I think, or the Atlantic? I can't remember. He was trying to make it not insane. There's not really an audience for a CNN that's not Luna full of lunatics.

[Clay Travis]

Here's my concern. As we look at.

The landscape of media, the people who are in positions of power are going to be more powerful maybe than we have seen in a very, very long time in terms of the dollars that they have. And I'm very thankful that Elon Musk has had A commitment to free speech and that he decided to buy Twitter, renamed it X. But he could have just as easily decided that he was a super left winger. And at that point in time, we are in significant difficulty. And so I think right now the framework for how these media companies are going to be owned, distributed, everything associated with it. If you're not paying attention to what happens to Warner Brothers, I think you're missing potentially an incredibly important media story that is going to play out over the next year. And I think if you voted for Trump, it is in much better your interest for Paramount to end up buying Warner Brothers than for Netflix to buy Warner Brothers. I really think that's true. And, and so this is a big story. This is an important one. I understand it's a little bit in the weeds because then it's going to involve antitrust law and it's going to get very complicated and it's going to take place over the next 18 months. But I just wanted to put that on the horizon for everybody out there. There's also right now, Buck, a huge presidential power case which could implicate many of these things over the next three years of Trump, but certainly for the next several generations of presidents. And it has to do with where exactly does the President's power extend and, and how is it controlled going forward. So we're coming up on the end of the year, but there are a lot of things that I think are massively consequential that are all coming together right now that may slide under the radar. Cause everybody's got Christmas parties. You got a Christmas party on Thursday that I'm going to be at. I'm excited to get down to Miami and be in war.

[Buck Sexton]

You know what? We're stocking up on Buddy Rose. We heard Clay's coming into town, so we got to make sure plenty of Rose to go around. Some people are saying a big rose drinker, Kaylee McEnae Hannity calling him out in absentia, I might add. That is absentia devastating.

[Clay Travis]

This reminds me of when Riley Gaines brought a two by four to me on Sean Hannity show. I am flying to Indianapolis for the Big Ten title game. So I was in the air unable to do Kaylee show. And then I looked down at my phone and recognized that I have suddenly been savagely attacked on Fox News for my alcohol drinking habits.

[Buck Sexton]

We can you guys pull that, pull that one up because we got. We'll play it in the, in the next segment. I just want to, I want to be clear. I have my Man, Clay's back. Or I said, I think he's doing sports stuff somewhere, which is, by the way, it's a weekend was probably the. Probably the right answer. And Kaylee was like, I don't know. I hear wine tasting maybe. Maybe sniffing for the aromas of the rose before he swills it around and talks about the notes of black currant and vanilla that he's. That he's picking up.

[Clay Travis]

I don't know. This is just what I'm hearing. Clay. I was out Friday night with our friend Alexi Lawless because they had the FIFA and Andrew Giuliani, who was. Who's basically in charge of the FIFA event. Yeah, it was fun group, but. But Alexi was. Was questioning my alcohol choices. And thankfully, someone with us, another man, ordered an espresso martini, which was more attackable, worthy. So I was able to shift. Sometimes you don't have to be right. Somebody else just had to screw up worse. Ben, who was with us, ordered an espresso martini. And you duck out of the line of fire there. But my rose consumption has. Has now led to. To multiple daily attacks. We're gonna have to get Kaylee back on to talk about that. And I understand if you're out there and you say, I can't trust anything you're saying now, Clay, because you voluntarily consumed rose. So. So there's that as well. By the way.

[Buck Sexton]

We just bring you the news. We bring you the news here.

[Clay Travis]

I think I sent in a talk back, but we did get a great draw for the World Cup. If you want positive news, theoretically, even the US Men's soccer team can't screw up the draw that we got on Friday. We should be in the knock. That should be. That should be fantastic going forward. So some good news out there, but I do. I do think again, it's easy to get kind of your. Your eyes to roll back into your head sometimes if you're not a nerd, like I am when it comes to media and big media mergers and what the impact could be for how we discuss issues in this country. I think if you're a Trump voter, you. You want Paramount to buy Warner Brothers. If you are a left winger, I think that you want the opposite to happen.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Buck Sexton]

U n D Whether you're lighting a candle on the Menorah or placing baby Jesus in the Nativity, we hope your holiday is full of grace, wonder and love.

[Clay Travis]

And maybe even a little snow. Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah from all of us at the Clay and Buck Show.

[Buck Sexton]

Second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off now, this fantastic program that you're listening to. Some even say fabulous. Some people are saying thank you for being here with us. We have this story in the New York Times, which means that there's something going on here. Why now? Why is it that all of a sudden you have the New York Times writing that, you know.

They really messed up on that immigration thing under Biden's administration. They. They really. And the explanation is essentially that it was a mistake, right? The explanation is that Biden's immigration policy fell victim to other priorities, like Covid and the economy. Here. Here is this story how Biden ignored warnings and lost Americans faith in immigration. The Democratic president and his top advisors rejected recommendations that could have eased the border crisis and help return Donald Trump to the White House. There's a lot going on in this piece and there's a re there. I want to also get into not only how they're trying to message this thing, but clay also how it is or what it is that they're trying to accomplish with this, because they're already thinking forward to 2026, the midterms, and remember in their minds if they can just get the House, it effectively pumps the brakes on the Trump agenda. And then we just get into a presidential election cycle, and everything, you know, everything changes at some level in. In their minds, politically, if they can just pull that off. So they. They view the stakes as very high. The stakes are very high, and they're willing to do absolutely anything to try to get Democrats back in control, and even if that means throwing some Democrats under the bus. Clay, you go through this. Part of this is, I just want us to take a victory lap. We've always. Immigration, border crime. Immigration, border crime. We've been talking about this for the whole time we've been doing the show, and specifically on immigration. We told you it was going to be a huge issue in this last election, which it was.

I remember that was one of the lead things, Clay. I was talking on the Bill Maher show right before the election, and even Bill Maher looked at me and he's like, they completely screwed up the immigration thing. He didn't use that word.

[Clay Travis]

He used a different word.

[Buck Sexton]

But he said they completely messed that up as badly as it could be messed up. But what you have to remember here, and they go through all of this, they talk about how, oh, they were distracted and, no, this was known the whole time. They decided to continue to let this happen. People who understood the system. Clay told Biden, hey, this is going to get really bad and really out of control. Just so you know. I mean, they say chaos, then paralysis, year one. That's what they talk about.

And the Biden response was to put Kamala Harris in charge as the border czar, which, if you wanted something to be completely ineffective, putting Kamala in charge, probably a good idea. So, you know, in that sense, it worked exactly as intended. They talked about changing the root causes. People even forget this. They go through this in the article that Kamala was supposed to address the root causes of migration in Central America. Oh, I don't know. Because Central American countries are poor, dysfunctional, and corrupt and not very nice places to live, with some exceptions. And America is the greatest country in the history of the world. So how exactly are you going to convince people that if they can come here, they'd rather stay in Honduras? That was idiotic. And I think, Clay, really, what this comes down to is that they want to change the narrative. It's so bad for them on illegal immigration that Democrats in 2026 want to go back to, we believe in a secure border, too. Biden made mistakes. They don't want people to realize no, that's Exactly. They wanted 10 million plus illegals to flood the country because now they're going to be part of the congressional apportionment, part of the. They're going to have kids here, they're going to raise their kids to hopefully vote Democrat, et cetera, et cetera. And of course, I mean, not nationalize, naturalize and amnesty, everybody over time.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah. And this is why the Supreme Court decision on birthright citizenship is so important. I always go to what causes this to occur. And the answer is two things there, if you want to know. Kamala Harris. The root cause. Yes, our country is way better than the other country. That's the root cause. But the root cause of why it's better is one, the jobs pay better. You can make way more money if you come to the United States than you can in almost any other country in the world. And I always like this analogy because I think it brings it home. If the United States was a crappy country and if you could make 10x your money in Canada, tons of Americans would be trying to cross into Canada to get jobs there. So one is, we have built the best economy that's ever existed in the history of the world. That is the United States has. And it acts as a magnet to draw people all over the world, which is why you actually need to restrict the number of people who are able to come into the country. Right. That's one.

[Buck Sexton]

Two.

[Clay Travis]

In addition to creating the best economy in the history of the world, we have also, I think, wedded it with a disastrous policy decision, which is birthright by soil citizenship. So if you come to the United States, even if you come here illegally and you have a child in the United States, that child becomes a citizen that should not exist and we should do away with it. And people out there really don't dive into the root cause of why that occurred. It was because of the colonization. And because in the olden days, if you were in Great Britain and you were trying to convince someone, hey, go to these 13American colonies, move your family there, you had to let people know, but your kids can always come back to England, the same thing happened all over the New World because people were concerned that you couldn't go back to Spain or you couldn't go back to England, or you couldn't go back to Portugal or whatever country out there was driving the exploration of the New World. And so that's the reason this exists, Buck. And so this is, I think, of all of the decisions that the Supreme Court is going to issue the one that I think could have the most long lasting and transformative impact would be if they did say, you know what, there is no constitutional right to birthright citizenship. Now they would have to make it going forward because I think the challenges of making it proactive, I mean, you got it. But going forward, you would at least eliminate the idea that Chinese people are going to hop on a plane when they're eight months pregnant, come to the United States, have a baby, and that baby has dual Chinese and American citizenship. They're gaming the system in a way that historically you couldn't. Nobody could time a pregnancy and come to the United States to have birthright by soil citizenship as the result.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, also it's illegal to do that. So the hotels, the birth tourism hotels, for example, in California, where this is common with Asian visitors.

[Clay Travis]

Yep.

[Buck Sexton]

They get in trouble, they get prosecuted for this. And yet usually you can't profit from crime. But clearly the offspring of the people who are doing this are very therefore in the family too. They are very much profiting from it. Remember, having the, having the anchor here then means that you can sponsor what they call family reunification. Most of our immigration system, you're being lied to about all of this all the time. Okay? You have to remember this. You're being lied to. We are not taking the best and the brightest. We are not taking people based on skills. It is a giant scam and essentially one huge welfare operation for the third world. So as long as you are from a poor, predominantly non white country somewhere else in the world, you've got a good shot at coming into America. If you know how the game is played. You know, if you're a, you know, a neurosurgeon from Sweden, we don't need you, you know, like no interest. But if you're coming here from one of the poorest countries, war torn country, whatever, or even just a place that's totally dysfunctional, we want you. That sounds great. That's the way the system has been running. Mostly it's people who are getting through the lottery system. Think about that. We have a lottery. Why are we giving away American, American ness like we, you know, give away a pot roast. Whose idea was this? We have a lottery system and then we also have reunification. Oh. So if you get here through any of these mechanisms, then you have chain migration and you can sponsor other people in your family to come here and so on and so forth. The whole system has gotten turned upside down in the last, well, since 1965, the Immigration and Naturalization Act. So it's going on. I can't do the math. You know, 60 years and. No, it is 60 years. Yeah, that's right. So, Clay, it's time that we have a total top down look not only at illegal immigration, but at legal immigration in this country and start to do what we've been told is being done, but has been a lie all along, which is actually have this be for immigration. First of all, a lot less. We need some assimilation in this country. We need some America time for all of us. Everybody's here is American. We get to spend a little more time together, figure out some things. What you see in the, in the Somali community, which we'll talk about more, with the Somali American community being part of this huge fraud ongoing, many people, lots of folks involved there. This is not a well assimilated community yet. Ok. Yes, we need some time to assimilate the people who are already here and American ness needs to be something that we all agree on and is spreading more freely, shall we say? So this is where the whole Biden thing, though. It's just so galling. Everything that we said all along was true.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

Everything that we said on the show about immigration for years and people, oh, it's terrible. And the border's not open.

[Clay Travis]

The border was absolutely open. It was wide open. It was wide open. It was intentional. And here is the diabolical aspect of all of this. They knew that they were making a generational decision. I don't know that Joe Biden really understood it because I think Biden was so out to lunch, he didn't understand anything that was going on. But the Biden puppeteers recognized that they were bringing in in 20 million right now. 20 million illegals who they are gambling will at some point become citizens and end up benefiting them. Now, I think one of the parts of this political calculus that nobody really dove into, Buck, was Trump won Hispanic men and he narrowly lost Hispanic women in the 2024 election. These are legal Hispanic voters. And obviously the Hispanic vote, as you know, living in Miami, there's a big difference between somebody who's from Venezuela and Honduras or, you know, like, you don't.

[Buck Sexton]

Want to get that one wrong. Let me tell you. They, they do not. They do not like when people assume that Hispanics are like this monolith and everyone's the same. No, no, no, no, no, Clay. Beyond that, I just. You reminded me of something. The piece is really important. The Democrats and they're always trying to massage this like, oh, no, it was a mistake. They weren't focused on it. But also they admit. They say, they totally. The Democrat and I mean, the very top, like the Biden White House, the Kleins and the other people that, you know, that are thrown under the bus now. They all thought that Hispanics would be with them on this.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

What they didn't realize is that US Citizens of Hispanic origin or ancestry were like, what are you doing giving this away to everybody who arrived five minutes ago who speaks no English? They didn't understand the dynamic. They didn't understand that Cuban Americans were like, you know, I'm second, third generation. We fled Castro. We came here legally. And you're going to treat someone who shows up from, you know, Myanmar or Burma or whatever, you know, as. They're as American as apple pie, even if they just ran across the border illegally. Hispanic community did not actually go for that.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah. And again, I think one of the biggest challenges we have here is the lack of. You could talk about the. You should. If you're moving to America, number one rule should be you believe America is the greatest country in the history of the world, and you want to ensure that we preserve what made America the greatest country in the history of the world. And a knowledge of Western civilization is integral there, and an embrace of basic values of Western civilization that doesn't exist. That doesn't exist with many of these new immigrants, which for people out there who say, well, what about when people were coming from Italy or flooding the country from Ireland or all over Europe back in the day? Those people overwhelmingly were raised in a Western civilizational background that acknowledges basic human rights, among other things, and the immense benefits to society of the concepts of Western civilization.

[Buck Sexton]

I remember I went. I went a long time ago to the Tenement Museum in New York City. I mean, over. Over a decade ago. But it's. It's a very. It's a kind of harrowing experience in some ways, because you're in all these small rooms in these buildings. It's the same building that these immigrants would have come to. And this is Clay. In the era of Ellis island and everything else, you would have a family of eight living in what is essentially one room. You had no welfare services, no check, no free rent, no free food, nothing. There would be outbreaks of typhus, and they would have. They would just be stacking dead bodies out on the street with no one even coming to claim them in a timely fashion because these immigrants had no money. They had nothing. This is true of the Irish, the Chinese, you know, that were showing up in the Italians, the Jewish who were showing up in New York City. And people want to compare that to like now you get, you know, free plane tickets or wherever you show up. There's immigrant services, you're getting an EBT card. Basically you're getting a prepaid cash card. You go into any emergency room, you get absolutely world class medical care. You're not going to pay a dollar. I mean, you go on the list. We're the world's welfare state. We can't do this. Everybody, we can't afford it.

[Clay Travis]

And all you have to do is sit back rationally and say, yeah, that makes total sense. I understand why everybody tried to do it. But we have to limit the incentives to get people to do it because they're taking advantage of us. We can't continue it forever. Cold comes quickly to Ukraine this time of year. Temperatures in many of the towns and cities, much like Chicago. Green Bay for instance. For elderly residents like Olga, it can be deadly. Olga, 79 years old. She lives in a small village. No reliable heating, let alone indoor plumbing. She's just one of the many elderly Jewish Ukrainians. Our sponsor, the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews is looking after this winter. Her meager pension not enough to cover food, medicine and heat. But thanks to the ifcj, Olga receives a box with food, emergency lighting and a warm blanket. This aid is a life saving gift for someone like Olga and the visit from fellowship staff reminds her she's not forgotten. Now as another brutal winner begins, thousands of elderly Jews like Olga are praying for a miracle. You can be that miracle through a special matching grant. Your gift today to the IFCJ has twice the impact up to the first $50,000. Don't delay. To send your gift, call 888-488-IFCJ. That's 888-488-4325. You can also give online@ FellowshipGift.org that's FellowshipGift.org stories of freedom, stories of America, inspirational stories that unite us all. Each day, spend time with Clay and Buck. Find them on the radio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome in our number three, Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. As I look up on my quad box screen here, headline at cnn Supreme Court says it will give Trump more control of government signals it will give Trump more control of government. Supreme Court poised to expand. Trump's power is the Kronos on Fox News. On MSNBC, Congress split over deadly boat strikes. So MSNB, I guess it's Ms. Now. Now, Ms. Now MSNBC. Crazy people still trying to go After Pete Hegset. The other two are actually more interesting. But the contextualization of it from both CNN and Fox News, I would actually take issue with only in the context of it's not really Trump getting more power from the Supreme Court, it's the president and every president from here on out, which is why the precedent should matter. If you want Obama to have more power, if you want Trump to have more power, if you want presidents that we don't know, President Gavin Newsom, President Kamala Harris, God forbid, maybe J.D. vance, maybe Marco Rubio, whoever the presidents will be for the rest of our lives, they will all have the same power here as Trump. And I do think, as we were finishing off the last hour, this is a seismically substantial story as it pertains to how all of this will play out. But couple of stories that are out there that I saw you tweet about this buck, and it seems not necessarily like a huge story, but I actually want to have a discussion because I bet you feel the same way as me. I think it actually goes to the essence of what is and what is not acceptable to say in America and what justification that then befalls you can be utilized when it comes to what you have said, when it comes to violence. And I say I see this story as directly connecting to Charlie Kirk. I think it directly connects to the Trump assassination attempts because at root, and I'm curious if you would sign on for this. I think you probably would. The reason why Charlie Kirk was assassinated and the reason why they tried to kill Trump was because of what they say. There was, in the case of both assassins, a belief that the opinions of Trump, the opinions of Charlie Kirk, were unacceptable. And henceforth violence could be justified as a result of what they said.

This is now becoming orthodox belief in many parts of America. And I thought this case that you shared, that I was reading about over the weekend, crystallized it, and you may have more specifics. But here's my generalized.

Case, criminally, of what happened. I believe this was two homeless people in Portland, in the Portland area, got into a dispute.

One guy happens to be black, stabbed. Another guy happens to be white. And the black guy's defense, again, these are both homeless individuals. To my best understanding, both, it appears.

[Buck Sexton]

Drug unhoused is now the preferred nomenclature. Unhoused.

[Clay Travis]

I'm going to stick with homeless. I think it's easier to say, but, yes, this would be unhoused.

[Buck Sexton]

We call them bums. Yeah, Everyone would just say he's a bum or a vagrant. Now, it's different.

[Clay Travis]

Homeless, I think, is actually kind of kind and accurate. And so these two homeless guys, who it appears, are, as has often been the case of late in Portland, addicted to drugs. And they've made use of drugs far easier in Portland, which almost everyone. Criminal drugs, almost everyone has acknowledged, has made things worse. Less safe, uh, more. More decay, more decrepitude. All of it is bad. And even in Portland now, they're saying, hey, maybe we shouldn't be making it easier to shoot up with illegal drugs. And maybe criminalizing drug possession and drug use was actually a good idea. All of this discussion ongoing. Okay, Buck, So two homeless drug addicts are in a fight. One homeless drug addict stabs the other one. And there is a dispute. There's an acknowledgment. It's on video and there's audio. And you can hear at least post stabbing, one homeless guy, the white guy, using the N word. Then you have a defense that was offered of the homeless black guy that because of the N words use that in some way, his violence, the stabbing was justified. Jury found him not guilty. So this is. Again, some of you may not have seen this story. You might not have been exposed to it, but I do think this is a real litmus test case. And you shared a tweet, which I agree with, but I think your overall take is.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, I completely disagree with the really zealously enforced standard that there is only one word in the English language that if you are white, or I guess, if anyone who is not black, there's only one word that you are not allowed to say in any context whatsoever. To include if you are a court stenographer reading back what someone else has said, or if you are reading a transcript of what someone else has said, or if you are reading from a novel and the words of the author include, you are not allowed to say it. That is absurd. That is wrong. And that should change.

[Clay Travis]

Now.

[Buck Sexton]

This is not to say that you should use that or any slur to refer to any person. The usage of a word is different than you can never even say a word.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

If you say a word, you're a bad person. That is bending the knee to something that we should. That is bending the knee to a form of censorship, by the way. A form of censorship based upon skin color.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

Which is. It's wrong. And now I. People can try to argue. Anyone who tries to argue this to me, they end up losing.

[Clay Travis]

They're wrong.

[Buck Sexton]

Because it's absurd. The whole thing. It's an absurd. This is like the people who are arguing. Putting your mask on for walking to the table during COVID somehow kept people safe when you then sat there for two hours. No, you're just wrong. This thing of you can't say a word ever is. So I just want to get that out there. It's wrong. That doesn't mean that you should call anyone any nasty word, but particularly any racially inflammatory word. No, that's a wrong thing to do. But I'm talking about you just can't say it. You can't. In fact, it's so powerful that if you were found to have said it in any context, you know, 15 years. People get mad at Quentin Tarantino now. Do you know this Clay? Because the characters in his movies use.

[Clay Travis]

The word too often.

[Buck Sexton]

That's what. That's what this has come to. Everyone needs to grow up. There are words that you shouldn't use to talk about people, but there are contexts in which you need to be able to say any word in the English language, the use of a word is inherently not a bad thing, no matter what. Sorry, that's just not. That's not reality. So people need to grow up on this a little bit.

[Clay Travis]

Okay.

[Buck Sexton]

Beyond that, this is also really the only word that I am familiar with where people will argue that violence against you if you use the word, is somehow justified. That is also wrong. We live in a First Amendment society. We live in a country where people are allowed to say words, including mean and naughty words. And there is no exception in the law for. You said hate speech. You should get stabbed. You said the naughty word, so you should get stabbed. And people need. This needs to stop. And we need to stop dancing around this thing where we don't make the argument based on print. This is a clearly a principled argument.

[Clay Travis]

So.

[Buck Sexton]

And by the way, these two people on the. One of the guys had, like, a horrible con. The guy who got stabbed, I think had a horrible conviction on his record for.

[Clay Travis]

Yes, like, chop. These are not, you know, these are not stellar representatives of American life.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, this is. This is not about picking a side in this. Okay? These are two bums who got into a fight. But the notion that a jury would excuse the stabbing of somebody because he said a naughty word is wrong. That is crazy.

[Clay Travis]

It is wrong.

[Buck Sexton]

It is immoral, and it is against our legal system.

[Clay Travis]

And again, it was. The jury in Portland refused to convict a guy for stabbing another person because basically, the argument is, when you get insulted in that way, you can't control yourself to the extent that theoretically you could get away with murder. And look, there are lots of words we can't say on this radio program because we're governed by the fcc. Now, you could have an argument about whether in this day and age, FCC restrictions on what you and I can say and can't say should still exist. If we utter curse words, there could be fines, by the way. I disagree with that, too. I do, too.

[Buck Sexton]

But we serve you who listen. And we wouldn't use those words because some of you are with your kids. Some of you just prefer that people not use words like that. So we would. I wouldn't use them anyway, Clay. But I disagree that a federal government agency should be picking which words can and cannot be said over the airwaves. I disagree with that.

[Clay Travis]

So I have the same.

[Buck Sexton]

But I'm still bound by it, right? So, yeah, this is the, like, the other rule we're talking. I'm still bound by that social rule that everyone else is bound by. I disagree with it.

[Clay Travis]

Two books ago, I wrote a book called Republicans Buy Sneakers, Too. I quoted Muhammad Ali, and he said ain't. And this is a ballpark. You know, no one's ever called me a racial slur in. In Viet Cong. No Viet Congs ever called me a racial slur. And I quoted that in the book. The publisher called me and said, you can't use that word in your book because you're a white guy.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, that's what this is. What I mean, that's the absurdity. I don't even. I forgot you told me about this. Yeah, that is the absurdity of this. There's only one word where this is the case. People need to grow up. Okay?

[Clay Travis]

And I grow up.

[Buck Sexton]

Words exist. People say words in certain context. You are held responsible for the context of the words you use, not just a word. That's crazy.

[Clay Travis]

Using the actual quote is a significant part of understanding the quote and being able to analyze the perspective. Because I was writing about the 1960s civil rights era in sports and how it impacted the modern era. And I said, no, I'm not going to do that. And we got into a huge dispute, went all the way up to multiple levels of the publishing house over whether Muhammad Ali could be quoted accurately in my book without dashes. Because my argument was, wait a minute. The F word is a quote. Like, we're not dashing it out. You know, there are other curse words. Adults can read a book. And I think the use of the actual quote is important here. And so this is the step beyond word policing. This is Using words. A jury in Portland said, hey, this word was used and therefore violence was justified. This, to me, is exactly the left wing argument for Charlie Kirk or President Trump.

[Buck Sexton]

I don't see. I'm not clay, insofar as those are. Charlie Kirk and Trump are political. I mean, they represent a political movement ideology. It's not just the usage of a naughty word.

[Clay Travis]

But if you're willing to kill someone for what they say, then you are presuming that words are violence, and therefore violence can be responsive to it. This jury logically heard a bad word was used and violence was justified in response to it. There are many people on the left who heard the arguments that Trump and Charlie made, and they justified violence against.

[Buck Sexton]

But the president also signs executive orders that actually use state power. I mean, that there's a whole lot more than just the words that Trump uses.

[Clay Travis]

Totally. But you don't think that the motivation to kill the president and try to kill him was based on his arguments and the justification for why that was okay. Same thing for Brett Kavanaugh is.

[Buck Sexton]

But I'm saying there's. There's an action component to Trump that I think we also. I mean, there's. There's massive actions to being president. It's not just one words, right?

[Clay Travis]

No, it's a little, truly. But the justification to kill is if you are willing to buy into the idea that a word can keep somebody out of prison and even justify the attack, then you're willing to say words are violence, which I think is a strong premise of the left in this country right now. I think we have to push back against it.

[Buck Sexton]

I think there's a closer analogous case right now. Isn't there a woman who is being prosecuted for disorderly? She's like a. Like a playground mom. Like a mom on the playground. And she called the kid.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

I think she said the word you can't say. Right. She said the word you can't say. And now they're prosecuting her for disorderly conduct, but they're really just prosecuting her for saying the words you can't say. Right?

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

This is what's actually. So I disagree with this. I disagree with this.

[Clay Travis]

It's wrong across the board. And by the way, if you happen to be a Trump supporter and somebody says something naughty to you, you don't get the right to stab them, you don't get the right to shoot them. Words are not violence. And we have allowed a world to exist where now a jury is actually willing to vote not guilty entirely based on this was self defense because of word choices. And we're not even sure the guy said it beforehand. They only have him on video saying it afterwards. So he got stabbed and then he insulted the guy.

[Buck Sexton]

There are a lot of examples you could point to where people, especially if they get into a fight, things escalate, it gets really violent. And if it involves somebody who is black, there will be a claim of oh well, he said a racial slur. Because that, if you said he called me, you know, a stupid, you know, a stupid head or even, you know, a bleeping bleep or whatever, that won't. But if you use the naughty word and you got stabbed or shot, well then, then, then you were asking for it. No, that's wrong. So you and I see this totally the same way on that. I, I, I don't and I don't know why I think this is one of these last areas where there's still, people are, there's still like a little cringing around it. Like oh, but, but, but no but that word. No again, if you call someone that word, you're a jerk and you're doing something that is unethical and wrong. But we shouldn't have a situation where you have to have it removed from your book where you're quoting somebody else. That, that's crazy. This makes no sense. This is just, this is some kind of bending the knee to like a left wing power structure in this country and we shouldn't do that.

[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

Travis Buck Sexton show we were just talking about the jury verdict in Portland. And it's important to. In the, hey, two homeless guys get into a fight. The black homeless guy stabs the white homeless guy. Black homeless guy is charged with a crime. Probably. I haven't seen a breakdown of the jury, but based on the population in Portland, almost certainly a substantially majority white jury says, hey, you know what? That's justified. Because they bought the argument that the white homeless person had called the black guy a. The N word. Now.

We had a caller, Gene, who was like, hey, could the judge toss this? The answer is no. Almost never can a judge toss a not guilty verdict. And there are only very limited exceptions. For instance, if a defendant bought off a juror and we became aware, then the case would not get the not guilty verdict, would just lead to a new trial. You wouldn't be able to say, actually, this guy's guilty. Now, again, this gets into the weeds. There are cases where judges can. You'll have a motion for a judgment notwithstanding the verdict, where the judge can look at it and say, the evidence does not support a conviction, but it can only be beneficial to the defendant. Not something where the judge suddenly waves his magic wand and says, I'm deeming you guilty because you have right to a jury trial. Now, I asked Buck off air. I was reading about this recently. Why do we have 12 jurors? I don't know how many of you have ever sat around and thought, why is a jury standard, especially in criminal cases, 12 jurors, the derivation legally appears to go all the way back to a British king in the 8th century who said, hey, because of the 12 apostles, 12 is the right number. So we are going to have 12 because it used to be. And this was like really kind of a tough time. They would just let the trial be, hey, we're gonna throw you in the. You know, we're gonna throw you in the water. And if you don't sink, then God is saying you're innocent. If you sink, then God is saying that you're guilty. Instead of a jury of your peers, they would have so called trial by. Sometimes you had to carry around a, you know, like a hot scalding iron in your hand. And if you. I mean, this is crazy stuff that used to go on. But around the 8th century, a king in England and then this was codified into the colonies in through common law, which for those of you out there who don't know, most of American common law is rooted in British jurisprudence and has grown into its own.

Legacy of the law here in America. A bunch of people with comments out there.

Ryan in Columbus, Ohio is asking what is a logical response to the precedent set in this case? Ryan, fire away.

Hey, I'm just curious. So where do we draw the line and.

[Buck Sexton]

And who draws the line on speech that qualifies as violence? You know, am I justified in violence if someone calls me a racist or Nazi up until and including killing someone?

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, this is the question. Right. And this is why both Buck and I find it so important to distinguish between WOR and violence. And remember here, this is significant. It's the jury that bought the argument. So you can say, hey, that's not.

[Buck Sexton]

Surprising at all by giving a Portland jury. I mean, this is.

[Clay Travis]

They believe.

[Buck Sexton]

This is a left wing belief. You have to believe this. Like this.

[Clay Travis]

Well, this is why the defense attorney went with this version of his defense for his client, because he believed that this jury would be susceptible. So you can be upset at the result. I think it's a ridiculous result. But understand that 12 jurors in Portland found this to be compelling, which is why honestly, this ties in with my argument, Buck, about why we have such kangaroo court Systems. In Washington D.C. you have the same kind of super left wing jurors in Washington D.C. which Democrats have used to rig the political process by using all of their prosecution in federal courts. In Washington D.C. you do not get a jury of your peers. This is not a normal group of people. This is far left wing ideologues who will throw you in prison. We just saw it with all the Jan6 cases.

[Buck Sexton]

I think there was, what was it? Clay Japlinski v. New Hampshire, which was the fighting words, Supreme Court fighting words doctrine where there are words that can immediately provoke violence. This ended up being not overturned specifically, but jurisprudence changed after this one. This is one of the earlier 1942 case.

Unprotected speech. I disagree. I disagree with that. I don't. I think people can say the meanest words they want to say. You're not allowed to knock their teeth out in response.

[Clay Travis]

Sorry. And most of us were raised in the. I don't know. I have used it with my kids. I don't know how many kids they use it with today. But I bet, Buck, you were raised with sticks and stones. May break my bones, but words will never hurt me. I mean, every kid at some point in time comes to mom or dad, somebody has said something super mean, super unkind. The reality is words can hurt, words can harm. But this is, I think, the essence of one of the issues that we're getting wrong with the whole concept of coddling the American mind is the idea that if someone says something that you find to be hurtful, that the way to handle that is by shutting down their right to speech.

And Ryan and Columbus is asking that question, which I think is a good one, which is, how do you draw that line? Ultimately, the jury said basically it's a get out of jail free card. If a racial slur is used, no black man can restrain himself. It's actually insulting, I think, to black men because it presumes that they don't have the willpower to deal with people saying mean things to them and must act irrationally and violently as a result. That's the entire premise of the defense here.

[Buck Sexton]

Bill in New Jersey GG A W O R listener Play it.

I don't know what it was like.

[Clay Travis]

When you guys were growing up and you're quite a bit younger than I.

[Buck Sexton]

Am, but when I was a kid.

[Clay Travis]

The line was, sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me. We need a little more of that around the world these days. I didn't even see that. Talk back. He's preaching to the choir. That's exactly what I just said. Trucker Mike in Arizona, we love when our truckers reach out. Says. And he has a premise that is not dissimilar to the caller we just had. FF Let me get this straight.

[Buck Sexton]

So if someone calls me, I'm a white man. I don't care what color I am, but just let you know, I'm a white man, man. So someone called me white trash cracker, a hockey trailer trash tweaker, whatever. Does that give me justification to stab them and injure them? It's the same damn thing. It's just asinine and stupid. I agree with you guys. 100. Yeah, totally.

[Clay Travis]

Looks pretty good. Pretty good logic a lot of times, Buck. Pretty good common sense.

[Buck Sexton]

Sometimes people say mean things to truckers in traffic. It happens so. And they realize that they just have to keep on trucking. They can't stop and beat them to death because they don't like the thing that the guy said to them from the windshield of his Hyundai or whatever.

[Clay Travis]

And sometimes truckers get behind buck sexton driving 24 miles an hour in a 45. And they may even say mean things to Buck. But that doesn't mean. As they sit there having to constantly hit their brake because Miss Daisy is driving in front of him.

[Buck Sexton]

I just. I just. I'm glad that some of us care about safety on these roads, you know? You know not all heroes wear capes. Some of us are a little heavy on the break.

[Clay Travis]

Brandon in Milwaukee.

[Buck Sexton]

HH what you got as far as that word goes? I remember back in high school having to read Huck Finn. And even when that word came on the paper, you felt uncomfortable saying it. And it, it should be uncomfortable because it's a terrible word. But completely getting rid of its existence, I think it's kind of dangerous because then it doesn't highlight how terrible the times were when that word was popular. So gotta be careful.

[Clay Travis]

I think that's a good. And look, I would just go back in time. George Carlin is dead now. I think George Carlin, legendary comedian, would have been fairly classified. Some of you can correct me if I'm wrong as a left leaning comic. Right. In other words, I think his politics would have tended to lean left. Maybe I'm wrong, but he did his entire. Was it seven words you can't say basically on television, which by the way, we still can't say on the fcc. And it became very, very popular in the parlance, I believe, in the 1970s because it illustrated the absurdity of trying to define words and how they're used. Context matters, you know, words are used. I mean, some of the most popular rap songs in America use the N word 20 times in a, you know, two minute, in a two minute clip. And nowadays college kids have, you see, you see this happen all the time. Some college kid is on video doing karaoke, rapping along to a popular song. It's not intended to be a racial slur. And then the next thing you know, people are trying to cancel them or they go on social media and they post lyrics to a popular rap song. And the next thing you know, 10 years later, somebody's like, oh my God, can you believe what this person posted when they were 14? Defining word use without analyzing context. I mean, think about this, Buck. There's a huge difference between the way we use the F word. It can be a compliment. That was, you know, as an adjective, you know, effing unbelievable. As a positive, it can also mean an insult. Right? We use context to analyze. But whatever words you use, this should be something that all adults should be behind. Violence should not be the response. Now, if someone says there are exceptions to. This is the angry words thing, Buck. If somebody says, I'm going to kill you, and they start to reach into their waistband and you think to yourself, oh my goodness, they may have a gun. A words that are accompanied by action that would suggest violence might be coming can be A legitimate self defense mechanism. So, but that's not word standing alone. It's words in the context of the possibility of a threat of physical violence. And I would just say all of this goes to. Are we going to treat adults like adults or are we going to run shrieking in the opposite direction when words that appear in our delicate ears are considered to be unacceptable?

[Buck Sexton]

But this is also, you know, that there is no real ethical standard being applied here because the word is so terrible. But some people can use it but.

[Clay Travis]

But, but in super popular songs that make them tens of millions of dollars, right?

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, I mean a lot of comedians for the last three, two or three decades, that's like the favorite word that they use when they're on stage all the time. But so they can do it all the time, but you do it. Your life should be ruined. No, I'm sorry, Disagree, disagree. Just flatly think that that is a, that is a social, really a socially enforced law of sorts that is, is wrong. It's just wrong. So, and, and I, I. The only way that it's going to get broken, unfortunately, and this is going to really is that people are going to start to be more liberal with it with the use of that word. And some people who are liberal with it, by the way, are not going to be good people who are doing it in a well intentioned way. But they're going to hide me. They're going to say, see, double standards. I'm breaking the double standard by you. You know, this is how these things go. You know, the censorship and these things, it does not end. It does not end the way that the people in charge of the censorship usually want it to. All right, look, if you believe in the life of a child, an unborn child, then you share my anguish thinking about what's happening to children's lives lost to abortion day in and day out. Nearly one in four pregnancies ends this way. But there's a nonprofit on the front line saving as many lives as possible preborn. Their network of clinics have saved 350,000 babies year to date. The preborn clinics across the country provide unconditional support and love for pregnant moms who are making that difficult decision. But they start them off with care, love, support and a free ultrasound. Because once mom meets her tiny baby in the womb through that ultrasound, the game has changed and life becomes so much more likely. And they have numbers to back this up. This is how they're saving so many lives. $28 is the cost of an ultrasound. Your tax deductible donation can be the difference between life and death for a tiny baby. Have you. Have you donated to preborn? I have and I know my donation is being used to save lives. Your gift of $28 a month or if you have the means, there's somebody out there who could do a leadership gift this holiday season. Remember, this is tax deductible. Preborn is an A plus rated charity and you could donate an entire ultrasound machine to a preborn clinic with $15,000. I know that's a lot of money and times are tough, right? I'm not talking to all of you. I'm talking to one or two people in this audience right now who could donate a full ultrasound machine to a preborn clinic. Think of how many thousands of babies that would contribute to savings over the life cycle of that machine. To donate, dial £250 and say the keyword BABY. £250 say BABY or donate [e-mail] Buck preborn.com Buck sponsored by Preborn Making America.

[Clay Travis]

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