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Trainer Games Narrator
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Clay Travis
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Clay Travis
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Buck Sexton
Welcome everybody to the Tuesday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. Getting deep into December already? I can't believe it Much to discuss. In fact, without even planning this play, I'm sitting here in a Crockett T shirt for Crockett Coffee, of course, go to crocketcoffee.com, subscribe this holiday season, get yourself hooked up. We got whole bean, ground bean, K cup, mushroom blend. It's amazing. Plus great beer. I bring it up, though, because there is a different Crockett in the news. We'll be discussing that momentarily. Jasmine Crockett. And now we do have to take into account, Clay, the possibility that were she to say, run for president, you and I would often be seen in public wearing Crockett gear. This could be confusing. So we're gonna have to address this somehow. Looks like we're out there canvassing for votes for Ms. Jasmine Crockett of the House of Representatives, when, in fact, we're just trying to sell you the best coffee that you'll ever have. So we'll talk about Jasmine Crockett announcing her Senate run coming up. We've also got more on the.
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Minnesota and Somali American fraud situation playing out. We have a Trump interview with D. Dasha Burns of Politico addressing a whole range of issues. We'll bring you the highlights of that. Trump was at an Econ roundtable yesterday. Gotta talk affordability. In fact, Uncle Bill, also known as Bill O'Reilly, bestselling author, TV host, et cetera. He will be with us at One Eastern here. Next hour on the program, we'll ask him a lot of things, but certainly about the affordability question, because I think that is what will determine, most likely determine the midterms, the outcome more than any other single issue. But I actually wanted to start with this one, if I may. Mr. Clay, yesterday we had mentioned this, but there were oral arguments in front of the Supreme Court yesterday, and those oral arguments included a case that goes right to presidential power, presidential authority, whether essentially the president can fire people who work for the executive branch, or is there truly a forever state, a deep state, whatever you want to call it. There are people who are the bureaucracy that are effectively a fourth branch of government because they cannot be fired by the executive branch. They are not employees of the legislative branch. They're certainly not part of the judicial branch. So what the heck is going on here? It is a very interesting question. I think, Clay, the outcome should be quite clear. And yet here is Ketanji Brown Jackson, whom I, I think you'd have to say is the most left wing member of the court. She also, and this is, I mean this, she talks the Most by far of anybody on the court. And that's just a question of timing. On the transcript, she talks the most by far and unfortunately sometimes shows that she doesn't really understand the very basics of our government, which for a Supreme Court Justice, I think is a problem. Here she is yesterday, Clay, on the issue of presidential authority and can you fire these forever bureaucrats? Play cut six.
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Trainer Games Narrator
Some issues, some matters, some areas should be handled in this way by nonpartisan experts. That Congress is saying that expertise matters with respect to aspects of the economy and transportation and the various independent agencies that we have. So having a president come in and fire all the scientists and the doctors and the economists and the PhDs and replacing them with loyalists and people who don't know anything is actually not in the best interest of the citizens of the United States. These issues should not be in presidential control.
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Buck Sexton
Whose control should they be in then, Clay? That's the question that seems obvious, among others, that Ketanji Brown Jackson I do not think has a particularly erudic, tight answer to.
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Clay Travis
I have never said this before. I would be a better Supreme Court justice than Ketanji Brown Jackson, and I would not be a great Supreme Court justice. I don't think she has the intellectual heft to do this job. And the questions that she asks confirm that on a regular basis. Look, what she's trying to grapple with inarticulately is the concept of where do the powers of the presidency extend and how do they implicate the powers of Congress? So essentially what we've got here, and it is, I think it actually intriguing and important position, is how do you end up making choices on. Let me take a step back and explain because I think this has gotten confusing to a lot of people, and I don't think it's overwhelmingly confusing. So let me just kind of lay out the issue here. About 100 years ago, Congress started to create these independent regulatory agencies inside of government that were basically neither executive nor congressional in nature. They were kind of a hybrid. And effectively the question is, and most of the time the terms on these agencies rotate and they're supposed to be mixed, Democrat, Republican, and all of these things. And the question really at essence here is where does that fall within separation of powers? Because if you decide that these people are doing a bad job, the president is saying I should have the authority to fire them because they are acting in an executive capacity. Ketanji Brown Jackson is trying to argue that they are independent of the entire political process but derive their power from congressional authorization and Therefore should be able to serve in their office without needing to be at the behest of anyone. Right. And I think for most of us out there, we say, wait a minute, in a government, people should be actionable. And if you're acting in some form in an executive capacity, the president should have the ability to decide whether or not someone is on one of these agencies. And Ketanji Brown Jackson is trying to say, well, we need experts from outside the world of politics. Well, it's actually anti democratic. Right. Because the entire process of our country is predicated on there should be people who are able to be removed if the will of the people is violated on some level. And that's really what all this is about. And look, it's getting tied up in Trump, but I actually think that's a poor way of the media conveying it because Trump's only going to be president for three more years. And largely the question is what are the powers of the executive as it pertains to these agencies? And I happen to think the executive should have the power to remove. But Ketanji Brown Jackson, let's go back to her for a minute, Buck, because I actually think there's an argument that her, that her selection for the Supreme Court quite clearly violated federal law because Biden said, I'm only going to pick a black woman. You could not do that in almost any job in America without violating the law. Because you shouldn't ever say, the only person who can publicly, the only person who can get this job is a black woman. In doing so, buck, Biden eliminated 97% of all individuals from being able to be considered. I think 3% of the overall court is made up of the overall legal apparatus made up of black women. I don't think that he could appoint her. I think there is an argument that her appointment was illegal under federal law because it clearly violates principles that the Supreme Court has articulated when it comes to how to consider race and sex in terms of jobs.
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Buck Sexton
I also think she's not going to win you over with more of her oral arguments, which we're about to play here, Clay, in terms of her ability to under. And I don't mean I may disagree, and I do disagree with Kagan, for example, on a lot of things. I do think she understands what's going on. Meaning I think she understands competing forcefully.
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Clay Travis
A brilliant lawyer.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah, she's. And the constitutional framework that we are discussing. So while, while I can disagree, she understands. What does my side say? What does your side say? I don't think Catangi Brown Jackson really understands what the sides are in this. She just knows what she wants. She's a politician, she's effectively a legislator wearing judicial robes. And here she is more of the KJ. I'm sorry, KBJ rant place 7.
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Trainer Games Narrator
Can you speak to me about the danger of allowing in these various areas the President to actually control the Transportation Board and potentially the Federal Reserve and all these other independent agencies. In these particular areas, we would like to have independence. We don't want the President controlling. I guess what I don't understand from your overarching argument is why that determination of Congress, which makes perfect sense given its duty to protect the people of the United States, why that is subjugated to a concern about the President not being able to control everything. I mean, I appreciate there's a conflict between the two, but one would think under our constitutional design, given the history of the monarchy and the concerns that the framers had about a president controlling everything, that in the clash between those two, Congress's view that we should be able to have independence with respect to certain issues should take precedence.
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Buck Sexton
I don't. What is she even saying? It sounds to me like she thinks that there is a special imputed power from Congress to have elements of government outside the executive branch, outside the legislative branch, where people are unfirable because of their so called expertise. I mean, this case comes from trying to fire someone on the Federal Trade Commission. Right. It's the case is Trump v. Slaughter and it's about firing an FTC director. I think we could find somebody else to do the FTC job. Thank you very much. I think really what this goes to, Clay, is that Democrats cling to this, if you will, Foushee ite power going back to Dr. Fauci of people who can have vast power within the bureaucracy but are answerable answering to no one because bureaucrats tend to be Democrats.
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Clay Travis
Also, it's Congress not doing its job because I mean this is very basic and I get it that when you go to separation of powers, where we really run into where the rubber meets the road is where do you define the separation of the power? Right. This is Marbury v. Madison back in the day with hey, the Supreme Court has the ability to review any actions of the executive or the, or the obviously the congressional power and try to make a determination there. But again, I, I don't have any problem with Ketanji Brown Jackson's perspectives, but she, she, everything that she does, it appears that she thinks she's a senator or A governor or even a presidential candidate. She wants to do politics, that's fine. But the job of a justice sitting on the Supreme Court is not to articulate political arguments. And that's all she seems capable of doing.
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Buck Sexton
Well, I don't think she knows the difference, which is a huge problem.
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Clay Travis
Well, that is, I think.
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Buck Sexton
I think she's so deeply mired in her perspective, point of view and political ideology that she does not know the difference between the role of a judge and the role of a legislator. That's what came across to me in this argument, that she has no, that she couldn't make a distinction, really, because she's saying things like, okay, well, who determines that these people are experts?
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Someone hired them somewhere along the line, so who gets to fire them? I mean, if you start to work backward from her premise. So once you work for the ftc, you get to stay there forever. So explain this to me. We can't find somebody better.
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Clay Travis
I think what you're seeing also internally in the Supreme Court is there's a growing disrespect of Katanji Brown Jackson's seat on the Supreme Court. I think you saw it when Amy Coney Barrett slapped her down in kind of unprecedented terms. But there was a big article I read in the New York Times recently where even Elena Kagan and Justice Sotomayor are not that happy with Katanji Brown Jackson. And so I think this is a curse.
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Buck Sexton
That she makes their side look silly is really what's going on. She makes it silly.
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Clay Travis
This is the lasting curse of the Biden era that is going to unfortunately stain the Supreme Court for the next 30, 40 years, maybe long after I'm gone. Katanji Brown Jackson is, I think, around 50 years old. She's probably got 30 years left on the Supreme Court. And I think she's going to be a real liability as a justice going forward. Again, I don't know that I've ever pointed this out with anybody. I don't think. I'm not trying to brag and say, hey, as a lawyer, I'd be some great Supreme Court justice. I don't think I'd be very good at it. I would be better than Katanji Brown Jackson as a Supreme Court justice.
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Buck Sexton
I didn't go to law school, and I think I'd be better than Katanji Brown Jackson.
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Clay Travis
And I actually probably. There's probably a lot of people out there that would be better. But again, I think there's an argument. I've never heard anybody make it, but I think there's an argument that her appointment is illegal under federal law and should not stand because of Biden specifically saying, I'm only going to put a black woman on. And by the way, she's a, I think a poor choice within the black female community. I think Biden, not surprisingly, made a poor choice. Except to your point, he probably knew what he was doing, which is just basically putting a left wing politician on the court to make left wing arguments. And I think that's why you're seeing Sotomayor and Kagan back away from KBJ and why you're actually seeing Amy Coney Baird, who seems pretty, pretty reliable. Doesn't seem like an angry person to get her fired up in some of these court opinions. I think it's probably giving you an idea about what's going on behind the scenes.
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Buck Sexton
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Clay Travis
Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. The world's best ski and snowboard athletes are chasing medals. Now you can follow their every move. Join Insider, the official US Ski and snowboard fan loyalty program and get premium viewing at World cup ski events, exclusive athlete meetups, discounts from brands you love, and a custom welcome gift mailed direct to your doorstep. This winter, show your support as they race the for the podium. Head to insider.usski and snowboard.org and join.
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Trainer Games Narrator
Today.
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10 athletes will face the toughest job interview in fitness that will push past physical and mental breaking points.
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Bill O'Reilly
This is where mindset comes in.
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Trainer Games Narrator
Someone will be eliminated. Pressure is coming down. This is Trainer Games.
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Clay Travis
Watch it on prime video starting January 8th.
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Buck Sexton
Shh.
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Clay Travis
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we're rolling through the second hour of the programming. Encourage you as always, go subscribe to the Podcast. Also, you can find us on YouTube. You can go click like and subscribe there. We are on every social media platform under the sun and we are joined now by Bill O'Reilly. You can find him certainly all over the Internet now@billoriley.com he's got regular articles there. He is a best selling author who has got one bestseller after another. And we were just actually talking about Whoopi Goldberg. Said, Bill, that Trump will just have no legacy whatsoever and he will vanish on the idiot show, the view that she enjoys appearing on. And Buck and I both feel like Trump is definitely the most consequential figure of the 21st century. And Bill, I said I would put Trump right now behind only Reagan in my life as the best president. Now, you're a little bit older than me, but I was born in the last year of Jimmy Carter's presidency. You're a history guy, though. Where would you put Trump? And how do you assess Biden since we know Biden's 10 years over? How do you think history views this era, those guys?
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Bill O'Reilly
Well, first of all, we have to take Whoopi Goldberg seriously because she was in a movie called Ghost where she could see everything that happened. So I'm sure that carried over to her real life. And we know she has a PhD in history and political science, a combination which is extraordinary. So we can't just dismiss Ms. Goldberg out of hand. I'm being, of course, facetious. I read a book called Confronting the Presidents, which is right behind Confronting Evil, which is out now. We twinned them up. By the way, you can get both books on BillOriley.com for a very fine price. Now, every time I see President Trump, and the last time was five days ago in the White House, so he spent 40 minutes with him. He's asking me the same question that you just asked me. So what's my legacy? Am I number one yet?
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And, you know, I, I can't be blunt. He's never going to be number one. Abraham Lincoln will always be the best president the United States.
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Clay Travis
So hold up. The president. You're in the Oval Office. This is, this is a great scene. You're in the Oval Office with the president. And the president, who trusts your historical acumen, is saying, hey, Bill, how do you rank? This is very, very funny. So he's asking you directly, hey, where do I rank right now? And you told him, I mean, I love this. You told him what exactly?
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Bill O'Reilly
I told him that, you know, he's going, I should be number one. That's the statement he makes. I said, you'll never be number one. You know me. I mean, I don't pander to anybody. Isaac, you're never going to be number one because Lincoln was so extraordinary and held the union together when few other presidents would have been able to do that. But you're in the top 10 right now and you're the hardest working president of all time. No president has ever approached the work ethic of Donald Trump. And it's not even close. There's not even a close second to that. And I said, but a lot of your policies are yet to be known as far as their effectiveness is concerned. You got the border in your pocket. Okay. And you also have accomplishments because you followed the second worst president in our history, Joe Biden. Only James Buchanan, who led up to Lincoln and who was an abject coward and allowed the south to arm itself for four years in preparation of the war of rebellion and began and did nothing, knew it, was too afraid to do anything about it. Worst president ever. Biden is number two. Why? Because in four years, Joe Biden did not solve one problem in this country, not one. And all my liberal friends who voted for him and Kamala Harris, when I say to them very politely, because I don't get angry about political differences, that's foolish. When I say, all right, give me one thing that he did, Joe.
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Buck Sexton
I'm sorry, Bill, I got to jump in real quick. You're leaving out that President Biden solved Hunter's legal issues, which, to be fair, he swooped in on that.
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Bill O'Reilly
Okay, well, I'll, I'll debate you on that anytime you want, but they, the, the people who voted for him cannot come up with one.
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Clay Travis
Yeah, well, they certainly don't care that.
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Buck Sexton
Hunter got a pardon or if they do, I think they don't like it.
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Clay Travis
But you're right.
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Bill O'Reilly
If it were Donald Trump Jr.
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President Trump would have done the same thing. So I'm an honest guy.
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Clay Travis
Yeah.
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Bill O'Reilly
All right. So Trump has.
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Buck Sexton
I was kidding about the pardon thing. I'm not, I'm not trying to divert you from what you're saying. He clearly is a terrible president who didn't manage to solve much of anything.
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Clay Travis
But I also wanted to ask you.
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Buck Sexton
Bill, if I could, the president, the current president, who you say is excellent, not number one, he probably was a little miffed at that. But that's ok. He's an excellent president. He's going on a affordability tour of sorts, going to eastern Pennsylvania, because I think there's a recognition even in this White House that Despite the excellent policies, there's frustration with the economy. On affordability. Do you think Trump's making the right move here by going, do you think that this is something that the White House can successfully address so we don't lose the control of House in the midterms?
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Bill O'Reilly
Well, on the night before Thanksgiving, I was at the Islander hockey game, and the puck was about to drop, and I got a phone call from President Trump right at the game. Now, when a president calls you, you got to take the call. He can't go to voicemail. All right? So I got a private office, the owner of the team is a friend of mine, and President Trump can proceed to yell at me for 10 minutes, all right. Which is not unusual.
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And when he gets going, you can't interrupt. He's like, all right. Essence of the disenchantment with O'Reilly was that I was reporting that the affordability situation could very much hurt him because all he has to do is go back to 2018 midterms. He got whacked, Trump got whacked, and Obama got whacked. And midterms are very difficult to hold power. And the press is pounding every second. Affordability, affordability, affordability. Now, the stats are not bad for Trump. They're not. In fact, on the no Spin news tonight, I'll lay them all out for you. But if you have a specific stat you want, I'll give it to you. Now, the economy is in pretty good shape. Stock market's good. 401k people, retirement plan, people prospering. You can get a job if you want it. Wages are up. Bacon is up. If you like bacon, you're paying more for bacon, okay? But a whole number of other foods are down. So this is a contrived thing with one exception. Insurance costs are killing working Americans, Killing them. Health insurance, car insurance, house insurance. That after President Trump got through yelling at me, I said, all right, it's my job to report what's happening. Mr. President, of course, you're not going to like some of it, but I'm fair. This is what you have to do. You got to get out there and you got to tell people in 26, here's what we're going to do to bring down these prices very specifically. So I think he followed my advice, but I'm sure he got that advice from other people as well. I'm not taking credit for it. And he's out in Pennsylvania tonight.
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Clay Travis
Bill, this is a little bit of a pivot, but the last time we had you on, we had A caller who wanted us to ask you about Patton's death and whether you bought into and I know you wrote about the death of Patton in your Killing series, what you thought about his death, whether.
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Buck Sexton
He wrote a book, Killing Patton.
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Clay Travis
Yeah. Whether what your take is on that death and what occurred.
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Bill O'Reilly
Okay, first of all, you get all the books. And this is a shameless plug, but you guys are nice. You can get all 13 killing books in the two confronting books in one package on bill o'reilly.com which will save you hundreds of dollars Christmas gift expenses because people want these books. Okay? So you get 15, you dole them out. You add up the money that you spend on that as opposed to what you would spend on 15 individual gifts. You're way ahead. Billo reilly.com killing Patton. We walked through the whole career of the best American general in World War II, second best in history next to John Pershing. Pershing was the best. Okay. Patton was second at the end of his life. Many very strange things happened to George Patton. None of them added up. He should not have died in that hospital in Luxembourg.
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So a lot of people, including me, suspect that he was murdered. Who would want to murder him? Russia, Stalin, Soviet Union. And they had access because remember, they were our allies in World War II because Patton wanted to fight them. He did not want to stop because he knew that the Soviet Union was going to be replace Hitler and the Nazis is our main enemy.
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Clay Travis
So when you say he was killed, sorry to cut you off. Do you mean that in the. Oh, poisoned in the wake of the car accident while he was recovering. Okay.
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Bill O'Reilly
Poisoned in the hospital. And the car accident itself did not make any sense. And we trace it in killing Pat, you can. It did not make any sense.
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So anyway, that I'm not a conspiracy guy. You guys know that I don't deal with that. I am a reporter and what I lay out is 100% accurate. The only resolution to this is to exhume the general's body, which is in Europe and test. They did that for Zachary Taylor. Zachary Taylor got that treatment. Then they won't do it for Patton.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah, we have a caller.
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Bill. We had a caller who called in who said, who claimed that his father was the driver for the car when Patton was in that accident you mentioned. Just wanted you to hear this. This is 31.
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Clay Travis
You say your dad was driving the car when Patton was killed. When he died in the car accident.
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Bill O'Reilly
Yes, he was.
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Clay Travis
Okay, well, what did your dad tell you about that?
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Bill O'Reilly
He actually died nine days later.
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He was driving a 38 Cadillac limo. And Patton was sitting in the back on the edge of the seat as usual. And they were waiting for a train to pass. And he passed, he pulled away, got up to about 25 miles an hour and there was a personnel carrier about a quarter mile down the road that pulled out at the same time. And when they got to each other, the personnel carrier turned right into the Cadillac. And Patton flew forward, hit his forehead on the partition between the front, the back, scalped his, you know, put in a scalp himself and broke his neck.
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Clay Travis
And so from your perspective, your dad told you there is no conspiracy. There is for people out there that have bought not believe that this was a traffic accident and it was a freak accident in some way based on the speed. But Patton died.
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Bill O'Reilly
Yeah, my dad never talked about any conspiracies about it or anything like that. But I mean there's three drunk GIs that all disappeared. You know, they were in the, they were in the personnel carrier and you know, Patton was starting to do a lot better and then he died just all of a sudden.
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Buck Sexton
Bill, take it away. What do you make of it.
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Bill O'Reilly
Man? I believe that his father was the driver, the three soldiers he cited. That, that is unbelievable evidence. I mean when you get a general, a four star dying in this kind of a circumstance, you would interview everybody and nothing was done. Nothing was done. Washington feared Patton, that would be Harry Truman, the Democratic Party, because Patton was going to run for President. He's going to come back to the United States and run just as Eisenhower did. And Eisenhower of course won. And so there were a lot of reasons that Patton had a lot of enemies, but the big enemy was Stalin and Stalin had access.
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So I'm not saying.
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That Patton was murdered because I cannot prove it. What I am saying is that you could find out if this general was poisoned or not. And nobody is.
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Apparently wants to do that.
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Buck Sexton
So that's the, but the, the, the point about he had a turn for the worse in the hospital. I mean that was, it's interesting that, that he was, it seemed he was getting better then all of a sudden. And so you're saying that all of a sudden to you is very suspicious. You'd like to get to the bottom of it or people to get to the bottom of it with the testing of Patton's remains.
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Bill O'Reilly
Yeah, if you read Killing Patton, anybody very interested in this subject, should we really walk through it in a non hysterical way?
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So we have all the eyewitness reports in there and you know, in my style, my style is I'm not boring you. I am moving this story along. But I'm not a guy who ordinarily buys into this stuff. But here you had motive, you had accessibility, you had enemies both abroad and at home. And George is a tough guy. He was a big, strong guy. And it just doesn't stack.
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Clay Travis
Bill, thank you for hanging out with us here. Good Christmas gift, as you said. Bill O'Reilly.com for not only real quick.
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Bill O'Reilly
I know you got to hit a break.
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President Trump asked me to give him Confronting Evil.
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Specifically for the chapter on Putin.
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Because we trace what has happened to Putin. He's not the same guy that Trump was dealing with in the first term. And the president wrote me a really nice note after he read Kill Confronting Evil. So I just want you people to know that that is out there.
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Clay Travis
That's outstanding. Thank you for the background stories. We'll talk to you again probably after the first of the new Year. Merry Christmas. Happy New Year to you.
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Bill O'Reilly
Okay, guys. You too. Have fun. Thank you.
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Clay Travis
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Buck Sexton
Buck Sexton here, the entire Clay and Buck show wish you and your family a warm Christmas season and a joyful new year.
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Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. So we have much to discuss with the Trump roundtable that occurred yesterday. We were just talking to Bill O'Reilly about the situation of affordability. And Bill is saying that that's, there's a lot of perception driving that, more so even than the actual cold hard numbers, if you look into it, which I'm sure that is, that is the case. But Trump at an Econ roundtable, look, he's going to Pennsylvania to address affordability because it's a political issue, whether the numbers bear that out entirely or not. And a lot of people do feel like, well, first of all, prices are high, they've remained high. So you have to get into, okay, is it that affordability is not an issue or is that it's not Trump's fault that affordability is an issue or a whole range of things. But one thing that, that is definitely the case that came up is Obamacare, Clay. These new Obamacare premiums, they're just going up and up and networks are getting smaller and smaller. And sure enough, the whole promise of Obamacare has fallen apart. And that's been the case for a long time. Trump here, this is cut 21 was saying, look, it's been great for the insurance companies. It's been really bad for people that actually need health care. Play 21.
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Bill O'Reilly
The insurance companies stock has gone up by 1700%, 1800%. They're taking in trillions of dollars. I don't want to pay the insurance companies anything, and I know a lot of them, but they're owned by the Democrats and the Democrats have. Obamacare is a setup to make insurance companies rich. And I want to pay the people and I want the people to go out and buy their own health care. And that's what we want to do and that's what the Republicans want to do. Because Obamacare is a disaster.
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Buck Sexton
Clay. It is a disaster. And it's time Republicans dig into this so that Democrats can't control the messaging going into the midterms.
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Clay Travis
All of health care, it is a disaster. And I don't care if you're a Democrat, Republican or Independent, nobody has any idea what things cost. Nobody is happy. I would submit to you that everyone's least favorite thing almost in the world is having to get on the phone with an insurance company adjuster and try to explain why you're being overcharged to the extent that you can even tell what your bill has on it. It is all just a huge game of hide the hide the ball. And what Trump is saying is, in essence, a very real position. And honestly, I think most people in out there would probably prefer this. It's let you have the money and then make your own decisions about what healthcare you need. I don't even think most people realize if they're not the employer, what percentage of your overall salary goes for health care now. But this is crazy. I mean, there are lots of people out there paying 25, 30, $35,000 a year for your health care plans inside of whatever job you get. And you don't see that money, you don't have any idea how it's being allocated. I think huge percentages of people out there listening to us would like to get all of that money tax free to themselves and then be able to make the choices about how to best allocate those resources for them and their family. And so what we basically have is a huge subsidy for all the health insurance companies of America. That is what Obamacare is. And the problem here, Buck, is the math. We have way more older people entering into needing substantial amounts of healthcare than we do young people. And by the way, this is not just for healthcare. This is Social Security. This is everything. All of these government policies are predicated on constantly having way more young people than we do old people. And in the next 20, 30, 40 years, the reality is we're going to have way more old people than we are young people. And that's true in a lot of countries. And the shell game, the hide the ball aspects of this are going to become more and more prominent and people are going to get angrier because they don't feel like they're getting a good value for their money. I mean, I hate to say it, but this is part of what motivated the UnitedHealthcare CEO shooting as people are just misallocating anger and, and in many ways lashing out when you see what.
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Buck Sexton
The real structure of Obamacare is. You have to have a lot of young, healthy people who don't use very much in the way of health care resources to, to spend into a system that is going to put a huge majority of it on older, sicker people. And that's what. So the whole system is a redistribution of wealth via health care. And then beyond that, there's also people who are getting subsidized in the, in the programs and on these exchanges. That's what was really at issue in this shutdown government just funneling money into it to make it seem not as bad as it really is for individuals. But you have a lot of people who are getting massive subsidies because if they had to pay what the market rate is based upon, the system of redistribution, the pricing on this would be insane. I mean, you'd be paying 50 grand a year for health insurance, remember, not for health care. You're still on the hook to pay for your health care. You know, you know, 20% of the 100% of the whatever percent they say is like, you know, customary and normal, or however they, you know, phrase the language so that they can play all these games, the insurance companies. So that's a giant mess. And then there's also this because we've been discussing the boat strikes in mostly in the Caribbean against the narco terrorists. This is Trump with ABC's Rachel Scott. A little bit of a back and forth here. There's now a push, Clay, to have the video released because clearly we have video because we were. They were under ISR, they're under surveillance. This is cut 20. Trump doesn't like this request.
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Bill O'Reilly
Whatever hecks that wants to do is okay with.
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Trainer Games Narrator
He now says it's under review. Are you ordering the secretary to release that full video?
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Bill O'Reilly
Whatever he decides is okay with me. So every boat, we knock out the water. Every boat, we saved 25,000American lives. That was a boat loaded up with drugs. I saw the video. They were trying to turn the boat back to where it could float.
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Trainer Games Narrator
Releasing the full video.
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Bill O'Reilly
Didn't I just tell you that?
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Trainer Games Narrator
You said that it was.
- [45:42]
Bill O'Reilly
Obnoxious reporter in the whole place. Let me just tell you, you are an obnoxious, A terrible. Actually a terrible reporter. And it's always the same thing with you. I told you, you. Whatever Pete Hegseth wants to do is okay with me.
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Buck Sexton
There you go, Clay, laying it down.
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Clay Travis
They're trying to create a fall guy here. They tried to create the admiral as the fall guy. They tried to create Hegseth as the fall guy. They've tried to create Trump as the fall guy. This story, other than on the far left wing, has vanished as soon as the video was shown in behind closed doors in Congress. Now, I know some Democrats came out and they said, oh, my goodness, I can't believe this happened. But the fact that the story vanished kind of tells you what the video is going to show. And I presume the video will show what has been reported already. And the numbers came out from the Harvard Harris poll that I believe it was. 58% of Americans support the strikes that are going on with Venezuelan Narco boats. 42% disagreement. And I bet if you show that video that it'll break down. About 60% of people will say, yeah, I agree with that. And about 40% will say, no, I disagree. But this is the world in which we're in where you kind of have people floundering in every direction trying to find something to be able to pin to Trump. And so far, they really aren't able to find anything. And I, I think it's going to be.
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A challenge going forward how exactly they convey their anger over Trump. And we come back, we can play audio because Susie Wilesbach is telling everybody that Trump plans to be on the road campaigning, starting in Pennsylvania right now to sell the agenda that he has put in place. And I grabbed a picture. I need to tweet it out again. I think a large degree of Trump's success is just being ignored because he solved things so quickly on the border that almost no one is able to even contemplate how quickly he solved things. And I was reading our buddy Ryan Gardusky this morning as I was doing my prep. The White House has said about 2 million people have self deported and or been removed who are illegals. And Ryan Gardusky looked at the data on newborns in the country and he said, actually, the data does support the idea that there are increasing numbers of people leaving the country because they're not having kids. Non citizens, illegals are not having kids at the rates that they were before. But when you look at the graphic, it's really kind of amazing to see.
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Buck Sexton
Yes, the Trump immigration policies are working in ways that aren't even necessarily at the center of the conversation on immigration, but are very, very effective on the other side of things. You have Zoran Mamdani in New York City telling people how to telling illegals how to avoid law enforcement. This is cut 24. Listen to this one. If you encounter ice, these are the.
- [48:56]
Bill O'Reilly
Things that every New Yorker should know.
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Clay Travis
First, ICE cannot enter into private spaces.
- [49:00]
Bill O'Reilly
Like your home, school, or private area.
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Clay Travis
Of your workplace without a judicial warrant.
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Buck Sexton
Signed by a judge that looks like this. If ICE does not have a judicial warrant signed by a judge, you have the right to say, I do not.
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Clay Travis
Consent to entry and the right to.
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Bill O'Reilly
Keep your door closed.
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Clay Travis
Sometimes ICE will show you paperwork that.
- [49:17]
Bill O'Reilly
Looks like this and tell you that they have the right to arrest Honesty.
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Buck Sexton
That is false.
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Bill O'Reilly
ICE is legally allowed to lie to.
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Buck Sexton
You, but you have the right to remain silent.
- [49:26]
Bill O'Reilly
If you're being detained, you may always.
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Buck Sexton
Ask, am I free to go? Repeatedly until they answer you.
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Clay Travis
You are legally allowed to film ICE.
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Buck Sexton
As long as you do not interfere with an arrest. New Yorkers have a constitutional right to.
- [49:36]
Bill O'Reilly
Protest and When I'm mayor, we will protect that.
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Clay Travis
Right.
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Buck Sexton
I just say, imagine if he did this for drug dealers. All of that would be true as well. Let me be clear. Everything that he said there is true in general for any criminal, for any violation of law. All of that is true. But he's doing it for illegals because they're a, they're a. For Democrats. Illegals are a protected class of person, Clay. And this is what is going to continue to be a huge problem for him. This is what is going to continue to drag them down because they can't avoid that reality without completely inflaming the left wing base of their party.
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Clay Travis
Yeah, look. And they're on the wrong on this issue. They're on the wrong on every issue, which is why I think you're going to see them just try to pivot and blame Trump for the fact that Biden's inflation drove up the prices of goods so substantially. That's the reality. Even though inflation has come back down substantially, we're at 2.7%. I think target is 2%. People are just angry and I get it. Because it feels like goods cost more than they should. And until that starts to settle in, that rapid increase becomes embedded into our minds as to what things should cost. This is the pernicious nature of inflation. It is diabolical and its impact to frustrate everyone.
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Buck Sexton
Absolutely. We'll take some of your calls and talk backs here. Coming up in a second. So make sure you send them in. Go to the Iheart app, go to the Clay and Buck page, subscribe to the Clay and Buck podcast network and then press that little microphone, send us a talk back or just call in live. That's always fun too. We love our live callers. Home invasions, my friends, very serious problem happen every 30 seconds in this country. Just knowing these stats is a reminder you gotta have defenses set up. You gotta be able to protect yourself, your family, your home. And Sabre makes the most effective non lethal protection tools on the market. Because when you need them, Saber trusted tested legit is there for you. Sabers, the number one pepper spray brand trusted by law enforcement. Sabre. It's spelled S A B R E and the website is sabrerradio.com their pepper gel projectile launcher is shaped like a rifle or a pistol. Fires off a pepper gel projectile that targeted and goes quite a ways. Clay and I have both used this out at the range ourselves. You need to check out though the whole range of products that they have because for non lethal self defense, nonlethal home defense. They've got so much stuff. Things you might not even know you need until you see them. Do some Christmas shopping for yourself. That'll keep you Safe. Go to saberradio.com you'll save 15 there. That's saberradio.com or call 844-824 safe 844-824.
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Buck Sexton
Are you feeling that? You feeling that steamroll coming your way from the Mannheim Steamroller, everybody?
- [55:15]
Clay Travis
Yeah, I'm gonna take some flack here, Buck. Not about this.
- [55:20]
Buck Sexton
Oh, man. I was like, you're getting in the way of the steamroller, buddy.
- [55:24]
Clay Travis
Not stepping in front of the steamroller and getting flattened. Maybe even broader, though. I think Christmas music's overplayed. I was out to dinner the other day, Sunday night, went out to dinner, and I could hear throughout the whole meal, they were playing Christmas music. Now, look, I used to work in retail back in the day. American Eagle Outfitters may have heard of it, Abercrombie and Fitch, And I know because we would have our holiday medley. And anybody who's ever worked in retail, it's the same track over and over and over again. But there is evidence to support that people buy more products when you play Christmas music. So I get it in a retail setting. I don't know that I need to hear it in elevators everywhere. I don't know that I need to hear it while I'm eating dinner. I would be very, very comfortable with. And I used to make jokes about this in sports talk radio. We would stop. We would only play Christmas music starting in December. I know we play a lot of Christmas music on this. Do you know we get beat in ratings now? You and me and everybody out there who does talk radio, Every community in America, Christmas music goes to number one. We just get trounced, and all they do is play Jingle Bells over and over and over again. So I feel like we're inundated, frankly, with too much holiday music. Does that make me sound like the Grinch, or do you think most people agree with me that it's impossible to escape and we don't need as much?
- [56:51]
Buck Sexton
Well, I think you're gonna get lit up over this one, buddy. I'm just gonna step away from the blast radius. I love Santa Claus and. And all the Christmas cheer and music and everything else.
- [57:01]
Clay Travis
I'm gonna let Clay just telling you. Ho, ho, ho. I'm the. I'm the Grinch. I'll own it. There's too much Christmas music in all facets of life. I don't need to hear it everywhere. I'll.
- [57:11]
Buck Sexton
I'll tell you this. I believe I've. I'VE referred to it before as going Grinch or maybe other people have coined that and I just picked it up. I don't know. But that's what I say. I don't want I. There. There are certain categories here. Children, yes, give them gifts, but not a ton of gifts. Ok? You shouldn't walk. Your living room should not look like a, you know, a Toys r us. After 500 kids have like rummaged through all the packaging or something. I guess Toys R Us even exist anymore. That used to be a. Remember when toy stores were this, this thing and they had all this GI Joes and he man made in China.
- [57:46]
Clay Travis
Toys R Us was incredible. They'd shut them all down. Remember KB Toys in the mall?
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Buck Sexton
Oh, yeah.
- [57:54]
Clay Travis
They used to have KB Toys and Walden Books. You had one. When I was growing up, we had one toy store before the Toys R Us came to town. And we only had one bookstore for basically my whole life. We had Walden Books in the local mall, and those were everywhere. I don't think either of them exist anymore. I think Walden Books is gone.
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Buck Sexton
So, you know, there, there was a time when you had the first of all. I've always hated the pressure of you got to get gifts for all these people. Especially get gifts for people that maybe you don't know that well. Whatever. Here's what I would say. You get gifts for kids under 18 in your family. You know, your kids, your own children, nieces, nephews. Yes, you get the gifts. Like we're gonna get little speed gifts. Although it's not like he can remember them. He's eight months old. But, you know, we're. We do that fine. My little nieces and nephews, we give them gifts too, you know, and I'm going to tell you this. In this household, I contribute to niece and nephew.
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College funds. That's what I. Every year I'm just like, I contribute. Now, I know that doesn't sound like, you know, like what Santa Claus would do. Let me tell you something. I do it every year.
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Clay Travis
That is such an old man move, by the way. I'm not, I'm not disputed. You're too young to be doing college fund contributions for your.
- [59:05]
Buck Sexton
What are you. Actually, actually, that is nonsense.
- [59:08]
Clay Travis
I don't want all the financial planners. Dave Ramsey.
- [59:10]
Buck Sexton
When I need him, I need Dave Ramsey here. Dave would support my 529 plan.
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Clay Travis
Contributions for my nieces. Donations are amazing. You're too young to be going straight. And the, the, the college donations.
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Buck Sexton
I am wrapping myself in the mantle of Uncle, Uncle Dave. Ramsey on this one, he would totally approve. So I do the 529 plan contributions. And so there's that. And then obviously gifts, bonuses, things like that. People you work with, people who work for you, whatever it is there. And really, it's like money is really what people. They actually don't want some beige sweater. They actually just want money. So they can, you know, have money in their bank account. They can do with what they want.
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Clay Travis
I.
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Buck Sexton
We stopped doing presents among the adults in my immediate family at my. I wouldn't say demand, but I pretty much demanded this. I think. I don't know if my dad's listening. I think when he gave me a belt for the fourth year in a row, I was like, he's not going to be happy with me telling this story. But I think when he gave me.
- [60:12]
Clay Travis
A belt four years in a row, the belts different. Was it like different color belts? Was it like black leather belts?
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Buck Sexton
Like maybe slightly different buckle on them. But he was just like, here you go, son. Like, here's a belt. I was like, thank you. I'm going to add it to my belt collection.
- [60:25]
Clay Travis
So.
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Buck Sexton
Which is all from you because I don't even really wear belts. So I will say that we decided as a family to get rid of that pressure to get things last minute. It is so great. It is such a nice, you know, you don't have to get to just. Everyone just stop with this stuff. Christmas. For those of us who are Christians, Christmas is actually supposed to be about the celebration of something holy. It is about to be. It's supposed to be about the celebration as well of family and being together and reflecting on the year. It's really not supposed to be. Get me the GI Joe aircraft carrier, Mommy, or you don't love me. Like, that's not what it's. And it's not supposed to be. Hey, Uncle Phil, thanks for bringing me these socks with tree frogs on them. It's what I've always wanted. Like, no, we don't need to do this here.
- [61:16]
Clay Travis
Here's where I will co sign. And now this is going to make me sound really grinchy. I don't think anybody over the age of 18 should get gifts for Christmas. Yes, I think you should only get gifts for kids, Santa. That's fun. I don't even know you need to go to 18, but let's say to 18 after that. Like, I don't like, I'm not super excited to open gifts. I'm not super. I have zero interest in buying.
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Buck Sexton
Can I add to what you're saying, because obviously you appreciate this. You see what I see also, Clay, we all walk around now. Twenty years ago, it was different, you know, if you really wanted that thing from the Sharper Image, you had to get out that. Remember, that guy is a Sharper Image. You had to get out that catalog.
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Clay Travis
You had to order it. It had to arrive.
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Buck Sexton
It took 10 days or a month or whatever. I can get anything I want delivered tomorrow. I actually don't want for any material thing in a way that someone's going to give it to me for. And you know Carrie, so funny. She was like, well, shouldn't I get you? I'm like, no, honey, I love you.
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Clay Travis
Don't.
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Buck Sexton
Don't buy me an expensive watch with my own money. Like, I've got it. I'm fine. Like, I don't need that. I don't want that. I'm wearing a rubber wedding ring right now because I can't even find my wedding ring, which is driving me nuts. So that's where we are.
- [62:26]
Clay Travis
I agree with all that. We probably have destroyed 80% of the Christmas holiday spirit out there in this segment. Yeah.
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Buck Sexton
Except for our sponsors. Christmas gifts are plenty. That's where you got to go. Don't ever forget that. Crockett coffee. Love to get you coffee for Christmas, because you need that. No, but I just really mean the gifts for immediate family members that, you know, Come on.
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Clay Travis
I. I am sold on. Only kids should get Christmas gifts. I think it would be a revolutionary thing that would actually be super beneficial to the country. Not to mention the number of men that just get blown up every year because they're like your dad, buying belts because they have no idea what to get people. I. I mean, what do you get to your point. Like, do you know how many wallets.
- [63:08]
Buck Sexton
I had amassed over the years for.
- [63:09]
Clay Travis
My dad giving me ties? I mean, every dad out there, ties. Even Moms. Like, where's that great Saturday Night Live skit that they did? Which was actually very funny. And mom got a robe. Do you remember that? Like, it's a great song, you know, like, because Mom's responsible for buying gifts for everybody. And then every year she gets a coffee mug or robe or whatever it is.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah.
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Clay Travis
No, I agree. By the way, I didn't expect to get this criticism today. Steve in Eden, North Carolina, he's fired up. Buck, I don't know if you know, the criticism coming our way, but. Steve, what. What you got for us?
- [63:47]
Bill O'Reilly
Hey, hey, Buck. This ain't your son. This is another Steve. But anyway, you know, every time I hear people talking about the greatest presidents, I always get irked a little bit. I mean, everybody pretty much says Abraham Lincoln. What about George Washington?
- [64:04]
Clay Travis
So you think the show, Remember yo, you think that the show has been too disrespectful of George Washington today?
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Bill O'Reilly
I'm not.
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Buck Sexton
I, I actually would co sign Steve on this. I, Steve, just to be clear, I didn't say that was Bill O'Reilly who said Abraham Lincoln's clear, number one. I, I, I would put, I would put GW in the number one spot. No question in my mind, for a whole bunch of reasons.
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Bill O'Reilly
How could you not?
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Buck Sexton
I'm with you, buddy. I don't know.
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Clay Travis
I'd actually, I'd actually put him below.
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Bill O'Reilly
Do you credit with us having the United States of America?
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Clay Travis
Look here, I'm reading right now, Rick Atkinson, great trilogy. He's on volume two, all about the Revolutionary War. I would actually put Washington three. I think that I'd put him now.
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Buck Sexton
He'S just trolling you, Steve.
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Clay Travis
He's just trolling. I'm telling you right now. I'd put him third. I think you got to go Lincoln one, because I don't think we would have a country if Lincoln hadn't stepped up. And I would go to Jefferson because I think the Louisiana Purchase was probably the most important decision that anybody made. Now, when you're talking gold, bronze, gold, silver, bronze, like, that's pretty good stuff. Let me also, I'm gonna really fire Steve up. Thank you for the call, Steve. I think he was confusing Speed with Steve. He thought your son's name is Speed.
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Buck Sexton
Not my, My son's name is actually like going fast, which is what Clay does in a car. The opposite of what I do in a car. But S, P E E, D is my son's name, not Steve, but close enough.
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Clay Travis
Okay, so I think Washington's actually overrated in some respects. He was actually not a very good general. He made a lot of awful choices. If you go study George Washington in.
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Buck Sexton
The revolution, he was out, gone. But I can't just let you. This is Gary. Listen, Mr. Civil War Buff, you're just getting crazy here, OK? First of all, Big G Dubs G Dubs kept the army together, fighting the most impressive, certainly Navy. And overall, I think you could argue military machine in the world at that time. The French would have been right there with them. But, you know, we all know how that went for them when their revolution started. Point being, he did an amazing job holding them together. But that's as a general as president, for him to be there, to preside, to step aside when the time came to be the father of the nation. Not to allow factionalism to pull it all apart at the seams in the earliest days, not to let that pompous Adams get the titles of nobility going. I'm just saying.
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Clay Travis
I'm just going to fire away on Washington here. Not a very good general on the battlefield. You're right. He held them together. Second would have been a big scandal back in the day. Do you know he refused to take a style salary, but just did an expense account instead and ran up exorbitant cost as the president of the United States, he had to entertain.
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Buck Sexton
He had to throw some parties. I'm throwing a party this week. You know what I mean, buddy? It's expensive.
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Clay Travis
Such that they had to go back in and actually say, no, no, no, we need to give the president a salary because G Dub, I don't want to. I don't want to throw her under the. The bus here. Maybe Martha had expensive taste. Not a lot of criticism for Martha Washington these days. I think if you go back and look at the G Dub expense account, Martha ran up a lot of money there and such that they decided, you know what, maybe we need to have a salary. Jefferson picked the wrong.
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Buck Sexton
Jefferson thought that the French Revolution was a good idea and it was going to work out. Jefferson was on the wrong side of some big stuff. I like his Barbary Pirates move. That was pretty slick. That was good. We didn't really have much purchase.
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Clay Travis
Was good. Probably shouldn't have slept with a slave. If we want to go, you know, micromanage Jefferson's.
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Buck Sexton
There's a lot of.
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Clay Travis
There's. I'm just at that.
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Buck Sexton
So there's a lot of different dispute over whether that actually occurred. Sir. I'm letting you know some of. Some people are going to tell you that they have. What. What is the evidence for that again? I mean, the evidence for it is pretty.
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Clay Travis
Could have. Well, it's definitely a. Jefferson at some point was involved in being the. The progenitor. Is that the right word of. Of it was either a. Could have been a brother. Could have been like the DNA is the DNA.
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Buck Sexton
You know, it's just been a nice quiet day on the show and Clay is deciding to throw G Dubs under the bus. He's deciding that. That Jefferson's private life is something that is very much has some problematic aspect to it. Although, like I said, this is very disputed whether this actually occurred or not. Jim in clearwater Florida wants to talk presence. He's going to bring us back in line here. What's going on, Jim?
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Bill O'Reilly
Hey, guys. I've been listening since, so since Rush back in like 88, but thank you. So my family has solved the issue of buying adults presents. We downloaded an app called Draw Names, and I think that's the name of it. And we do a bottle swap. You kind of know everybody's favorite kind of liquor or wine or whatever, and you can try to find something unique that they wouldn't normally think of or see or buy.
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Clay Travis
Yeah, look, I think that kind of thing is cool. I think that's fine. I just, it, I, I'm on buckside here in that it used to be that it was kind of difficult to get things purchased there. I don't remember the last time I thought, boy, you know, I can't find X and I really need it. I said X because that's a, it might have been misheard. And if you do, like, in this day and age, it's not that hard to be able to get whatever you want purchased. Now, to be fair, I buy things at Amazon, almost always books and Costco, almost always Kirkland brand clothes.
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Buck Sexton
So, you know, I got my family members, I got my family members, like early edition antique books one year that I thought would all for individuals. And I thought it was, I think they all ended up as coasters on like the sides of, you know, various desks. You know, so I've tried the, I've tried the special gift thing too. And you know what? They didn't, they didn't like my, my third edition Mark Twain or whatever. So you know what? Fine.
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Clay Travis
You know what sends the Travis kids running for the hills? I read everything. Print, newspaper. I read all day long every day. And I find stories that I'm like, I know this is the perfect story for this son or even my wife. I don't think any of them ever read it. I, I, my dad back in the day used to cut out articles. I read them all. He would mail them to me. You know, back in the day when you couldn't get local newspapers, you're away at college, whatever. I still have some of those. I read articles and I'm like, oh, this is perfect for my oldest son. He's gonna love this. We just had this conversation. Oh, this is perfect for middle son, youngest son, wife. And all I could see in their face, oh, here's dad with another reading assignment. And, and it's like they're so disappointed that I'm bringing them something to read. All I'm trying to do is just increase their brain, make their world more expansive and all they think is dad just gives us homework all the time. Here's some more homework for all of you, but hopefully it can lead to wins. Prize Picks all right, I'm going to give this out multiple times so if you don't get it now, it's this week's pick. Tua Dak Prescott, Sam Darnold, Bryce Young, Shador Sanders. All to throw more touchdown passes than prize picks. Has them set up. Tua Dak, Sam Darnold, Bryce Young, Shador Sanders. Just click more on each of those. It pays out 6x all you have to do is go to prizepix.com my name clay when you put $5 in a pick, you get $50 deposited into your account. Boom. There you go. For the holiday season, what better than to have some fun watching football, College or pro? If you love basketball, whatever your sport is, you'll get hooked up. Prizepix.com Code Clay that's prizepix.com Code clay keep up with the biggest political comeback in world history on the Team 47 podcast Clay and Buck Highlight Trump replays from the week, Sundays at noon Eastern. Find it on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. The world's best ski and snowboard athletes are chasing medals. Now you can follow their every move. Join Insider, the official US Ski and snowboard fan loyalty program, and get premium viewing at World cup ski events, exclusive athlete meetups, discounts from brands you love, and a custom welcome gift mailed direct to your doorstep. This winter, show your support as they race for the podium. Head to insider.usski and snowboard.org and join. Today.
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