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Welcome to today's edition of the Clay.
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Travis and Buck Sexton Show Podcast.
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Welcome everybody to the Tuesday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. We are racked and stacked. Much to discuss here. Thanks for coming in. Thanks for hanging out. Immigration hearing up on Capitol Hill giving some numbers, adding some numbers to the enforcement operations that have been the center of a lot of attention recently with regard to ICE operations in Minneapolis and elsewhere. Customs and Border Patrol Commissioner Rodney Scott Clay, I remember he showed me around years ago when he was working CBP in the San Diego sector. So I got a, I got a whole deep dive into what was going on in San Diego under the first Trump administration. Rather San Diego sector of the border, which I gotta tell you, that's nice duty, go to the border, then you're up in La Jolla for dinner. It's very nice. Part of the country San Diego is, I feel like, doesn't get all the credit that it deserves, but you get to be right there on the border with Tijuana and you got a lot of crossings, a lot of stuff going on, a lot of cartel activity other side. As soon as you cross over into America and into Southern, that part of Southern California, man, that's, it's beautiful. It's really, really nice. I feel like San Diego people are just trying to keep it on the down low so more people don't just pile into it. Cause it's, it's a great spot anyway. I remember hanging out with Rodney there. So we've got that, we've got. I'm surprised you didn't jump in on La Jolla. I feel like that should be the next place for a Travis castle to be built. You know, La Jolla is really nice.
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I'm gonna be honest with you at California is beautiful with the way they're taxing people. I don't want to give them any, any entree point to coming after me for taxes at all. And I think owning property there would probably, probably be a tough one to, to, to avoid. Buck. I'm like you, I'm in, I'm in a free state. We got zero state income tax in Tennessee. This I'm never leaving here. You're down in Florida. I spent a decent amount of time in Florida tax. By the way, there's a lot of super rich guys with way more money than we'll ever have that are also looking at this and saying, hey, like.
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That that's going to be our, that's going to be, I think our top story. We're going to get into this in just a second. So put a, put a pin in this because California, the taxes, the reality what's happening in America, major, major moves afoot. We're going to dive into that. I think we also have. Do we have Steve Hilton with us today? Gubernatorial candidate.
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Yeah, because I was in California all last week, Buck, and I, I text and, and told you in my old man move of reading all the local newspapers in print. The primary is soon. We're going to be down in Texas in early March in San Antonio and Austin and in Houston for the Texas primary. But we are just a couple of months away from the primary in California, which is going to be hugely important and is wide open. There's no, you know, nobody out there who's taken a massive early lead in this.
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We've also got in the just in the Hopper today stories. Want to get to a little more on the save act, more on the Epstein files. I think Clay actually has some, some important takes to share on where all of this is going and the way, the way there are elements of the media that are just being so dishonest. Look, if you're looking at who was really involved with Epstein and involved in ways and at periods of time where if not anything criminal, certainly a lot of eyebrows should be raised and a lot of, a lot of stink eye should be given. It's really Democrats pretty much across the board. Something that, and I know people say, oh, why make this partisan? Well, one, it's true. We're observing reality. And two, Clay, they are desperate, they're desperate to try to make this seem like, oh, it's really. And more information came about Trump and his feelings about Epstein. And guess what, once again, Trump actually is very clearly the good guy in this situation, which we told you all along, ok. There was nothing, there was never a whiff of Trump impropriety whatsoever from anyone who knew him. From anyone. I mean, you know, the guy, yeah, he likes beautiful ladies. He likes ladies, ok. And he was actually willing to call out Epstein's crap before a lot of other people were. So we will get into all of that over the course of the show today. But actually it'll bring us back to California in our conversation because as I was saying, you know, I mean, Southern California, California in general is an amazing piece of property. Just as a geographic location, tough to beat. I mean, people could make their case for other places, but in terms of weather, in terms of natural beauty, varied climate or rather varied, you know, ecological. You can go skiing, you can be at the beach, you do all these things. It's an amazing place. It's been ruined by the libs. Let's just get right to this now. It's still a nice place to live. And I understand they're not like giving away houses in Newport Beach. I Understand that there's a tremendous amount of wealth and the concentration of money there. But Clay, I give you this story in the Wall Street Journal which was getting a lot of attention down here in South Florida yesterday. Billionaire Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg and his wife Priscilla Chan are purchasing a newly completed waterfront mansion on Miami's Indian Creek. The latest California billionaire to buy a home in South Florida. Clay Zuckerberg, Brin Page, Teal Elon, the those names and there's probably others I'm not even thinking of right now or you know, other, I mean you look at from Chicago for example, Ken Griffin. These are among the richest people and certainly in the case of the names, Elon is the richest. These are the richest people on the planet and they are leaving California across the board to go to. You mentioned tax free states like Florida particularly, but other places as well. Texas certainly comes to mind. Tennessee comes to mind and California is not going to be able to pay its bills. We, we've been saying this for years. We've done the show almost five years ago. Five years in June. California's policies are insane and unsustainable.
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Yes it is. And this I think is going to end up being the biggest legacy of COVID And I don't know how many people out there have really spent a lot of time thinking about it. But the data increasingly is still showing it. People learned that they could live in many different places and still do their jobs just as well because technology had evolved as they could have by staying in the location that they've lived in for a long time. I don't know that big finance guys in New York and Chicago and LA would have risked moving to Arizona and Texas and Florida and Tennessee but for the fact that Covid happened. There was no point in going into the offices and then they suddenly realized, wait a minute, we can communic be just as effective elsewhere. And what's going to happen here is going to be hugely transformative. All of these people's money suddenly relocates to a low tax jurisdiction. A Florida, Tennessee and a Texas for example, I'm using as examples. But there's lots of other states low tax out there. All of the benefits of their money and of the money that follows them then moves to the new state. And the great huge expensive albatross of government that has been built on the largest to a large degree of these multi billionaires doesn't exist anymore. And Buck, I, I think this kind of goes to it in essence. And this is your life path too. You've talked about this before, roughly Florida and New York have similar populations, right? Roughly similar populations.
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Florida's a little bigger, about 2 million more.
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New York has a government that costs over twice as much, a state government that costs over twice as much as Florida. You have lived in both places. Which do you think is the better and more efficient government, Florida or New York?
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I mean, it's, It's. It's preposterous to even speak of them in the same breath in terms of the clay. And it's really things that matter to you. Just things like the efficiency of government here. You know, the efficiency of, oh, I got to pay my property taxes, or, oh, I got to go to the DMV or everything. Everything is better managed here across the board. Everything is more sensible. Now, it's not perfect in a Miami in particular. It's a whole other thing. We got some issues, but just as a state, this is. This place is run under Ron DeSantis. This place is run like there are adults in charge who understand math and also know that they're supposed to serve the people. The sense you get, especially in New York City, is you are like a cow to be milked.
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You are not a citizen. You are not there to be provided services by the government. You are the provider of the services with your labor. You are to be worked. You are a very highly paid serf.
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We'll talk with Steve Hilton about this in the third hour. But the tax situation, in particular, California saying we're going after the wealthiest. A lot of them have just decided, I'm out. And that money, again, is moving to a state like Florida, to a state like Texas, to a state like Tennessee. The jobs are going to follow. And I just, I. I think these blue states are in for a significant, significant issue because a lot of people are getting fed up and. And the people who have the most resources are the best able to move. And so this is. This is going to be big. Now, we talked about it in the context of 2030, when they redo the census. First of all, they screwed up the 2020 census and undercounted red states. But in the 2030 census, I think that's going to be virtually impossible to ignore. And the political power is going to move even more to red states, to the south in particular. And this is a story that I don't think Democrats have thought a lot about. You're going to be unable to get elected president of the United States without winning red states. Right. You're going to have to break in, into the south and you're going to have to figure out a way to win southern states. You're going to have to win Arizona, remember in 2030, 2032, which will be the first presidential race after the census of 2030. The pathway of winning Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin, the so called blue wall, it doesn't exist anymore. Now Trump won Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin in 2024. And you can argue those states are moving to the red anyway. I mean, I think there's an argument there. But even with that pathway, even if Democrats swept the board there BY Once the 2030 census is put in place, that pathway is not going to exist anymore. So this is going to, this is going to be a big deal and I think it's only going to accelerate. And the, the states like Florida and Texas and Tennessee with zero income tax are going to grow and orders of magnitude. And states like Illinois, New York and California are going to hemorrhage the most valuable in terms of taxpayers population out there.
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Well, people also realize, and I learned this very much in New York City, that the first obligation of the people in charge in these blue states, of the political apparatus, the elected officials, but also the bureaucracy, is to make sure that the massive welfare payments continue. That's their first obligation. They'll, you know, they'll cut fire and police before they'll cut giving people free stuff because the people with the free stuff vote for them, right? And the fire and police and these other things, eh, I mean we don't have to talk about defund the police, which was a blue state madness in particular. But those are, those are widely distributed problems. That makes it worse for everybody. Gotta keep the free stuff going. People are getting tired of this man. And I think people are seeing more and more in places like New York and California. You know, there's all these stories play out about in New York City, private schools now for kids, grammar school, Everybody. I'm talking first grade, fifth grade, nursery school, $70,000 a year. Now you might say that's completely.
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I saw that story, Buck. I actually told Laura about it last night. We were getting ready for bed. There's seven of them, I think it is in New York City or at least charging.
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And all the others are gonna, they're all gonna start raising their prices too. But you see, the public school system in New York City is trash. Unfortunately, unless you can test into an elite school. There's a number of them. The public school system is bad. It is a, you cannot get a good education in a lot of the New York City public School system, by the way. It's not about resources. I've been in some of these schools. They, they have fancy new laptops and blah, blah. Everything's. It's because the teachers spend all the time trying to get the kids to be quiet and pay attention.
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And the parents don't care. And it's daycare. It's daycare for unruly kids. So you're never going to learn anything. My point though, Clay, is how is this sustainable? How are you in these major cities, the cost of living if you're earning money, if you're not really rich or a dependent on the state, how can you make this work? The answer is you can. The worst is to be somebody making like 200 to 500 grand or 150 to 500 grand in a city which I know for some of you are like I live in Oklahoma. That's a ton of money. Not a lot of money in New York City. You need to make about twice as much in New York City as you do for other metro areas, excluding a few high priced ones like Miami, la. But this is just not the math, doesn't math as they say, Clay. And the math is going to start to really not math for California. They, their budget projection, which is a $3 billion shortfall for the next fiscal year. Well, that takes into account the billionaires continuing to pay a lot on their, you know, on stock that they sell and on their capital gains and all. They can't afford their state budget without Silicon Valley.
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It's, all of this is 100% true and I think it's going to shift in a hurry. I mean, who was it who said recently Miami is going to replace New York as the new financial capital of the United States? It's an aggressive statement. But as you look very smart.
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I might, I might have said that. I might not. Someone else said it more eminent financial mind. But I agree with you.
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Look at some of these wealthy guys relocating. The jobs and the resources and the assets that surround them are going to follow. I would be in, I would be panicked. If I was New York City, if I was Chicago, if I was California.
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I would think so. All right. Making plans now for the long term. It's a smart move. It's always the way to approach things, right. Gold, my friends, gold makes a lot of sense. I've just bought more gold. Look at the price of gold, up over 60% in the last 12 months. Over the last 20 years though, it's up 700%. And that's just gold. So if you have gold, if you bought gold 20 years ago and held it, you're up 7x and it's not like you're in and out. Oh, do I, what do I do with my gold? No, you just buy it. You hold it. Because gold is a store of value. It has been for all of human civilization. And look money, money printing is still happening, still have these concerns. It's not crypto that people are using as the long term store of value. That's pretty obvious.
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Joined by our friend Steve Hilton who is running for Governor of California. You all know him from his show on Fox News and just from being a voice of sanity amidst the madness of The Golden State Mr. Hilton, we have all kinds of questions for you today, but I need to start with this one because we talked about at the top of the show, I got a new neighbor. I mean, his house is a lot bigger and more expensive than mine and it's a couple miles down the road. But I have a new neighbor in Mark Zuckerberg, the latest mega billionaire to flee your home state, Gavin Newsom. Still not getting the message on this apparently.
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By the way, I love the music intro as well. Smooth operator. I don't know, I kind of think that's kind of newsome, but you know, I'll take it. Bit of shadow there to get us going. Look, it's just insane, isn't it? They just are working overtime to destroy everything that made California once the greatest place on earth to start and raise a family to start and run a business. They're just doing whatever they can. The latest insanity is this asset seizure scheme that the unions have come up with. They call it the billionaires tax. It's basically insane, unconstitutional, totally un American. But the threat of it, this threat, before they even get it on the ballot, which they're trying to do, has already caused $1 trillion of wealth to leave the state. So these geniuses who have put this forward in the name of we need more money for health care. That's the rationale, by the way. They'd have a lot more money for health care if they didn't have $20 billion a year spent on free health care for illegal immigrants, which I would stop as governor anyway in the name of raising more money. They've already lost billions of dollars in tax revenue even before they enact this insanity as people are leaving the state. I mean, this is why actually I'm really confident we're going to do it this year. It's 20 years since a Republican was last elected statewide in California. But the insanity is so extreme now. The damage is so great. People are suffering so much. I really think we're going to vote for change this year. And I'm going to be the by the time we speak this time next year, I'll be the governor.
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I hope that that is correct. And I texted you because I was out in California for the past week, Los Angeles and San Francisco, super bowl going on. I know you've got something that you've put out that you're going to do for, for athletes out there. I'll get to that. But I think a lot of people are going to have some of these primaries sneak up on them. We're going to be down in Texas in March. I mean, I think voting in Texas starts next week for their primary. That's early voting. In fact, I know it does, but I believe the California primary is also early. It's in May. I think you walk us through this, but it's not partisan. And basically two people I think advance tell us how this works because I was reading all about it and it snuck up on me and I said, oh, we need to have Steve on. Because I don't think a lot of Californians even are aware. I know you had the debate, you did great in it. But for people out there, what is the status of this race and how does it work?
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So it's really important everyone understands this because the stakes are pretty high in two directions. If all, if things go well, we beat the Democrats in their absolute stronghold and that will send shockwaves through the modern left because so much of the nonsense the whole country's had to deal with, the gender extremism, the climate extremism, all this nonsense, it starts in California. And so it's a really big opportunity for the whole country. But it could go the wrong way because of the structure of this race, which is this top two system, which is that the top two finishers in the primary, regardless of party, go through. And right now there's a possibility that you'll end up with two Democrats in the top two, which would be an absolute travesty. The reason for that is that you've got a new entrant into the race, the mayor of San Jose who's picking up a lot of money from the tech community and they're going to push him up there. And then one or other of the other two strong Democrats in the lead now on their side, Eric Swalwell, if you can believe it, and Katie Porter. She's still in there, I know, but she's still there. One or other of those is going to emerge as the union backed candidate. So there's a real possibility you will get two Democrats if on the Republican side the situation doesn't change, which is right now, people look at the polls and say this is great news. You've got two Republicans in the top two, myself and my main Republican challenger, Chad Bianco, the sheriff of Riverside County. Most of the polls for the last couple of months, one and two, has been me and him. And people look at that and say that's great, we'll have two Republicans in the top two. That is ridiculous. The Democrat machine will never let that happen. And so I Argued very strongly in the first TV debate, which was last week, that we've got to get behind one Republican candidate, otherwise we'll get locked out. And I made the case that you can't have the other guy, Chad Bianco, for those who don't know, he's a sheriff in Riverside County. People like the sound of that. But actually during the George Floyd protest, the riots and the BLM riots in 2020, this guy took a knee for BLM. He took a knee. And it's all there on video. Pictures are there, the videos there. We put it up on a website, blmbianco.org, if anyone doesn't believe what I'm saying, he has a whole story about how he was praying and whatever. And my argument is we can't go in to the election with a candidate with that much baggage. And so this is the time we've got to get serious about this race. We've got to get behind a Republican candidate like myself. I've got the business experience, the government reform experience, the policy expertise. I'm experienced on the national stage. I won that debate massively. The audience poll had me winning at 66%. The nearest was another Democrats, 17%. It was me against six Democrats. The other Republican guy didn't show up. And I think this is our year. We can really do it if we just take this seriously, focus on the race, get behind one Republican and I think we can beat these people after the disastrous 16 years now of one party rule.
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Speaking of that disaster, Steve, we're speaking to Steve Hilton, everybody. He is running and he is serious about it. Running for governor of California, your state, which Clay and I both love, as much as we criticize the governance of it. It's, we feel like it's under occupation. It's like under communist occupation and we have to liberate it. But electricity bills, New York Post had this piece spiked 39% over six years. What? Why? Well, what are they doing in your well? Like, because that really affects people that can't afford that kind of mad, mad increase in their, in their cost every month.
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Well, it comes from the same source as the other massive thing that's hurting working people and small business in particular, which is gas prices. So we have the highest gas prices in the country, including Hawaii, even though we have abundant oil reserves right here in California. Higher gas prices than the middle. I mean, this morning, literally we took a picture, we're going to put it out on social media. Gas price in LA. I'm right now in Pasadena speaking to you, 691, $6.91 gas this morning in LA. So you've got that going on. Electric bills, they've actually more than doubled in the last 10 years. And we have the highest electric bills in the country, everywhere except Hawaii. Both driven by their insane climate crusade which is just forcing up the prices. You asked specifically about electric. The reason is they're forcing utilities to use solar and wind, which is incredibly expensive. The windmills are just a joke. The next scheme that they have is literally, I'm going to say it and you will think I'm joking. They want floating windmills 20 miles off the coast of California. Floating because the ocean is kind of deep that far out. These are 1,000ft high. That's like the height of the Eiffel tower. They want 10,000 floating Eiffel Towers off the coast. It's just insane. And they have to think about the cost of that. The solar farms they claim are cheaper, but they don't count the fact that you need batteries to make solar work because the sun doesn't shine at night. So all this is driving up the cost. Meanwhile, we've got a fleet of gas fired power stations in California that are being used 10 to 15% capacity. They are literally sitting there idle in favor of wind and solar. And also we have abundant gas reserves in California that we could be using to generate electricity but they won't do it because of their obsession with climate. It's totally insane. And the people that are being crushed, exactly as you said, the people who can least afford this stuff. That's why I think we're going to. And I think a revolution is exactly the right analogy. That's what's going to happen this year. I often, I make that point. My show on Fox was called the Next Revolution. This year is going to be the California Revolution because we just can't go on like this.
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We had Doug Burgam on the show yesterday, Interior Secretary, and I asked him directly because we get so many questions. And I just came back from California about the cost of energy and gas and everything else and how it's hitting people in their pocketbook. And you can just compare what you guys have to pay in California with much of the rest of the nation. And it's clear that there is a flawed energy ecosystem there. It's also clear there's a flawed tax system. Steve. And we're talking to Steve Hilton, running for governor's Republican in California. The primary is soon. When you look at the tax situation. Buck just mentioned front Page News, Wall Street Journal. Zuckerberg has become the latest billionaire to buy a home in a state because of the tax situation there. You mentioned the super bowl was just played a couple days ago in San Francisco. There's actually a huge tax on people who come into the state of California to play sports. And it kind of cuts through the noise, and a lot of people are aware of it. Explain what you set out to do yesterday as part of your tax reform bill. You're also going to the highly skilled people who come into the state. Explain exactly.
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Well, we're just driving people away. So the first point I'd make is that we have the highest tax, broadly the highest taxes in the country, and the worst results on everything. If you actually look at every single measure with 50th out of 50 states, it's not an exaggeration, it's incredible. We pay the most and we get the least. Then you dig into the specifics. Working people. That's why the first line of my tax plan is to help workers in California. Your first line, tax free. Now, people may be listening around the country, 100 grand, that's kind of high. Not in California. You've got at least six counties in California where 100 grand is now the official poverty level because costs are so high, and yet you're paying 9% tax even at 100 grand. It's just ridiculous. Then you get into these specific ones, like the athlete tax. Some people call it the JOC tax, which is, you know, happens around the country, but it's totally punitive in California. And you have the specific case this year of Sam Donald, who ended up losing money for winning the super bowl because of this ridiculous tax in California based on the number of days he was in the state. I mean, what are we trying to do, just drive people away? Literally. That is the effect of all this. Their insatiable demand for more and more money for their bottomless money pit, where we get the worst outcome for all of this. It's got to stop. So I specifically said that's going to change next year. I mean, you already saw, based on this particular situation with Sam, that you've got former players saying, as long as this stays the same, no more Super Bowls in California. Now, actually, we're scheduled to have it next year as well in L. A. And so I said very specifically, by the time the next super bowl comes around, I will be the governor and I will send in my first budget, a proposal to end this whole scam. Because we cannot be in a situation where Hardworking, talented people fear to come to California because it's going to cost them money. They're going to lose more than they make. That's what happened to Sam Donald this year because of our insane tax system. It's a perfect. It's a great story that broke because everyone can sort of see it captures very clearly the insanity of our system.
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What is the truth of the budget as I see it? The projection for fiscal year 2627, I guess now, is for California to only be. They say it's close to revenue neutral at like a maybe a $2 or $3 billion deficit. Is that realistic? Okay, I had a feeling it was total bs.
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Let's just go through the numbers. So the first one again, what's the context here? They've doubled, nearly doubled the budget of the state of California in the last five years. Okay? So the budget that Gavin Newsom just put forward was 350, 349 billion. Call it 350 billion. Five years ago it was 180. They've nearly doubled the budget, and yet everything is worse homelessness, worse school results, worse the roads, everything. We literally have 50th out of 50 on all these measures across the country, and things have got worse. And yet they spent twice as much money. Then you look at the actual budget deficit. It's all a scam. He actually went into this budget round with an $18 billion deficit. And of course the state can't run a deficit, so they plug the gap. Some of that was shifted around by moving things to future years so that it's just basically accounting tricks like paying people in the beginning of July and skipping a month so that you shift some spending into the following fiscal year, stuff like that. And then the most egregious thing is taking money from the reserves, right, the rainy day fund, as it's known, which have been built up over the years, that is specifically designed for when we're in a recession and revenues collapse and you need to keep programs going. But they're stealing that money now, our savings, basically, to plug the hole in this ballooning spending that is actually not even delivering results. In fact, the opposite. It's delivering worse results because it's all going. I mean, now we get to the whole question of fraud. I mean, I started this fraud tip line just when the Minnesota scandal broke. At the end of last year, califraud.com, from the tips coming in, we made an estimate that we have $250 billion cumulative of fraud just in the last five or so in California, $250 billion. And then I launched about 10 days ago, a team that are going to really, we launched our version of doge. We call it caldoge, the California Department of Government Efficiency. We've already unearthed, just by using AI to go through the budget numbers. We're going to have our first announcement this week, specific numbers on fraud that we've uncovered. Last week, I publicized one of the tips that we're getting, which is insane, but totally in line with what you expect in California because of Gavin Newsom's $20 billion free health care for illegal immigrants, which I would stop. You've now got Mexican citizens living in Mexico claiming health benefits in California posing as illegal immigrants. So you've got fake illegal immigrants claiming health care money funded by California taxpayers. It's just off the charts lunacy.
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Last question for you as we go to break. Really quickly, when do people start voting?
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So it's just that it is May exactly as he. So the election is actually June 2, but the ballots go out because we have this ridiculous election month in California. So really from the middle of April, people really have to start keying in. But the election is now. I want us to get behind one Republican candidate now, seriously, so that we can take the fight to the Democrats. And that's why anyone who wants to get involved or support me or spread the word, this is the moment to do it. My website is stevehiltonforgovernor.com follow me at Steve Hiltonx we can really do this. It's going to be amazing when we kick these people out. It's just going to be a fantastic revolution for the whole country, as I say, not just all of us in California.
A
Well, we want, we want a tour of the governor's office or mansion or something in Sacramento. Thank you. Thank you so much, Steve. Great to have you. Look, we love Cozy Earth products. It's just true. We love them. The PJs, the sweatshirts, the pants. I just bought a bunch of Cozy Earth pants recently because they're so comfortable. But the ultra plush Cuddle blanket, not only is it a big hit with the wife now, I just put it on her every night we're on the couch because that's just hers now. But also Ginger Spice loves it. It's so fluffy and nice. Just like Ginger Spice. Cozy Earth amazing products. And for this Valentine's Day, my friends, you got to get some Cozy Earth products. That's a brilliant way to handle this one. Cozyearth.com is where you want to go Use my name, buck. Get a 20% discount on the Cuddle blanket. You'll love this Cuddle Blanket. But they got so much great stuff. Cozy Earth products are amazing across the board. Go to cozyearth.com, promo code, Buck. Get hooked up. We are joined by Senator Haggerty. Mr. Senator, appreciate you being with us. Thank you so much for making the time.
E
Thank you, Buck. It's always great to be with you, Clay. Good to see you both.
A
All right, so it would be great if you could walk us through a little bit here of, of what exactly is going on with, with the fcc, with Verizon. Verizon's got a probe about. Well, your phone records. Take us through this. Because I don't think a lot of people know the backstory, and it's important stuff, but we need to educate ourselves here, including us here on the show, about exactly what you're facing here. So take us through this.
E
Certainly, Buck. Well, if you go back to 2023, this is when the Biden administration weaponized every aspect of the government to try to block Donald Trump, to try to destroy his candidacy for president, to go after their political opponents. And it wasn't just President Trump, it was also his allies. So no surprise, within days of President Trump announcing that he is running for president in 2020, the 2024 race, the Biden administration brings in Jack Smith, initiating this program called Arctic Frost, where initially they go to Mar a Lago. The document search that they undertook there, that invasive process made for tv again, trying to smear President Trump, trying to hurt him. And just days after that, Jack Smith's team requested the phone records for myself and several other US Senators, again, allies of President Trump, all of us Republicans. That's one thing that we had in common. But they went after our phone records again in an attempt to, I presume, go after President Trump's allies, go after President Trump's friends. They requested records for a number of days that were surrounding the January 6th incident back in 2021. Again, Jack Smith is looking for anything that he can do to discredit President Trump or his allies. I presume the sad part is the Senate's process is constitutionally protected. We are not supposed to be invaded in this manner. And if we are, we're supposed to be informed of it. What happened was Verizon willfully, gladly handed over my phone records, even more information than was requested. And if you think about that, why would they have done this? As I dug into it further, I find out that that Verizon's chief legal officer is a former staffer for one Henry Waxman, one of the most partisan Democrats from California to ever serve in the halls of the U.S. congress. You've got this activist operating there in the halls of corporate America more than willing to cooperate and collaborate with the Biden administration to try to harm Republicans and to try to harm President Trump, to coalesce around this strategy they called Arctic Frost to try to take down President Trump and to see Verizon step up and do this and to see the again law enforcement weaponized in the way that it has been absolutely terrible. I'm doing this. So Verizon never does this to the American public. But if you think about it, if they would do this to a sitting senator, if Verizon would hand over our phone records without telling us, violate our due process, violate the Constitution, not put up any resistance because they have a political objective, I presume if they're willing to do that to me, what would they do to the rest of their customers? And I have been a Verizon customer for decades. And for them to do this to me, I think was just outrageous. But it would be even more so if they begin doing this broadly to the general public. Then we find out Jack Smith just continues to pursue this sort of thing. And if corporations like Verizon decide to align with partisan actors like this, I think it's terrible for America. So I hope that the FCC will take this very seriously. Verizon certainly did not take it seriously. When I reached out to the CEO and the chief legal officer, I pretty much got ignored. They had some low level person respond to me. They didn't even respond to me directly after multiple attempts to communicate with them. So now we'll see if the FCC has better results again dealing with partisan operatives in these large corporations. I don't think America needs this type of collaboration, this cooperation aimed at Republicans, aimed at taking us down. It doesn't stand in America. It's not going to stand. And I hope the American public will feel better after the SEC has had an opportunity to dig into this.
C
We'll appreciate Senator Hagerty joining us breaking down all of this information. He will be on the ballot in November in my home state of Tennessee. He has my support. You've done a great job, Senator. I know you'll be campaigning and spend a lot of time on the road this fall. Let me ask you this. You're talking about the FCC and the importance of just trying to have even handed treatment. There's been a lot of discussion about the power of these big media companies, whether it's Verizon, whether it's Netflix. What do you think about this Netflix, Warner Brothers potential merger? How much attention have you paid to it? I know Netflix's CEO was on the Hill, I think last week answering a lot of questions. Warner Brothers is trying to, to sell itself. Netflix is bidding, Paramount's bidding. For all of us out there that are in the media ecosystem, which is pretty much everybody, how concerned should we be about the streaming era and the amount of power that some of these companies are coming to, to, to, to garner?
E
Well, I'm, I'm not going to try to get ahead of the determination, Clay. You're, you're, you're a great attorney. You understand all of this. But I would say America ought to be quite concerned. If you look at the consolidation of power here, if you look how the mainstream media has abused its position, how it's abused its authorities, how they cover, you know, things on a very one sided basis, I think we ought to be asking some very serious questions here about the degree and the extent of control that might be, that might be the result of this type of merger. I'm certain that there will be a very thorough questioning that takes place and I look forward to the results of that. But again, I'm not going to try to, to jump ahead and prejudge the conclusion, except to say I think that concerns are very well, very warranted.
A
How do you think we're looking, Senator Hagerty, in the Senate going into this midterm election? You know, this has to do with more your possible future colleagues and which side will control the Senate more than something that is going to be phasing you. But do you have some sense as to what you think it's, it's looking like? I'm sure it's going to matter a whole lot for the second half of the Trump administration.
E
Certainly, Boko, I think first and foremost with respect to my own race, I'm taking this very seriously. Running hard. I'll be all over the state, as Clay said, and I'm garnering support. I feel like the people of Tennessee are supportive of me. I'm just going to make certain we have a strong, solid turnout at home. That way I can be more effective helping my colleagues, colleagues around the country. And I'm optimistic about what we see around the country. We've got open seats that I think could be great, possible pickups for us. Think about Michigan. Mike Rogers, a great candidate. He came extremely close in the last election. Two Years ago. I'm pleased that he stepped up again, but again it was just several thousand votes that he lost by last time I was with Mike this weekend. He is on message, ready to go. And I think the people of Michigan will see in Mike a real leader. Somebody that's got great experience and someone that would be a great addition to the United States Senator, Senate. If you look at other states like that, we want to maintain, I think Maine, North Carolina, these are always closed states. But Susan Collins is a terrific campaigner. We'll be putting effort and support behind making certain that Susan maintains that seat in Maine. There's another opportunity in the Northeast and that's New Hampshire. We see a real opportunity there with Senator Shaheen retiring. New Hampshire, a very independent state. If you look at the rules there in New Hampshire, they have historically allowed what they call same day registration of voting. This is what's used on campus. I was there campaigning for General Bulldock back in 2022, who ran and lost the same day I was there campaigning. Elizabeth Warren was over on the campus at the University of New Hampshire rousing up her students, probably kids from Massachusetts, showing them where to go to get the bus. They're going to take them down to the polling station. All they have to do is show their student id. They can register and vote that moment. This type of thing happened when Kelly Ayotte lost her seat. 30,000 of those same day ballots were cast mainly by students and Kelly loses by 1200 votes. Those rules are being tightened up right now. I think we've got a great candidate. We have great candidate possibilities there. And John Snoot, who just came into the race, his name is well known. I think we're going to have a real opportunity to pick up New Hampshire. You look at Georgia, Jon Ossoff, again, hard for me to believe that Jon Ossoff could be in a strong position in Georgia given the nature of that state. I do not believe that Georgia is a blue state. Ossoff has voted along every liberal line since he's been in the United States Senate. So there's a possibility there. We've got a three way primary going on in Georgia right now. We need to see how that evolves. But as soon as that primary is behind us, I think we've got another opportunity in Georgia. We need to make certain that we maintain North Carolina, that is a notoriously purple state. Thom Tillis is retiring. Michael Whatley, the Republican candidate, I think will be very strong. Michael was the chairman of the rnc, the Republican National Committee. He Understands campaigning, understands the mechanics of this work very well. And he's going to be a very good candidate, strong candidate. So I'm optimistic about what will happen there in Iowa. We're watching that race closely. Joni Ernst is retiring. It's a state that, that I think we can carry. I think we'll be in good stead. But again, we can't take anything for granted. They say if you're not running unopposed, you should be running scared. And I think what we're going to be doing is running hard at every, at every step.
C
Senator Bill Haggard with us. One big topic of conversation that many people on our show have been calling in and reacting to is voter ID and requiring it nationwide. It's overwhelmingly popular. White, black, Asian, Hispanic, everybody's in favor of it. I saw one of your colleagues on the Democrat side, John Fetterman, come out in favor of it. I imagine the Republican core is all in favor of it. A lot of people just think it's crazy that there would not be a voter ID required to cast a ballot. What's going to happen there and are you optimistic in terms of anything being able to happen? We know the filibuster is a major challenge.
E
Well, it shouldn't be a challenge, Clay. If you think about it, this is, this is a popular with more than 80% of the public here in America, more than 70% of Democrats agree that there should be voter ID presented because only citizens should be voting and you should be able to demonstrate that you are an American citizen to be able to exercise that right. Sadly, the Democrats are not even listening to their own base. This is all about power for them. They want to have the rules as loose as possible. If you saw what they tried back in 2021 with HR1S1, that major piece of legislation, the number one piece of legislation that they had was again to loosen all the voting rolls, to do away with Voter Rock ID, to register 16 year olds to vote, to give the vote to felons in violation of the 14th amendment, to force US taxpayers to pay 6x what their small dollar contributions would be to help fund campaigns and actually allow their candidates to get a paycheck from these funds. That is where the Democrats want to go with this. What we would like to see as Republicans is just a solid fundamental baseline. And that is you have to be a citizen to vote. That doesn't mean the states can't set the time, the place, the method for voting that's provided for in the Constitution. But you should be a US Citizen and That's something I've worked on with other legislation. Every Democrat has opposed me when I've tried to force the United States Senate census to count citizens and to only allow citizens to be utilized for the apportionment of congressional districts and electoral votes. The Democrats, all against it.
C
Yeah. I want to hit that really quick here, and I appreciate you coming on. We're talking to Senator Bill Hagerty, who is running for reelection, state of Tennessee. He's got my vote. He's done a fantastic, fantastic job. You and I were texting about this. Verizon may know about those texts, by the way, since they've been. Been hacking your phone. But the fact that we are counting illegal immigrants for purposes of House districts and also for the apportionment of electoral votes as a result, as you just laid out, is, I think, one of the great flaws of the way that our country is set up right now and so few people still understand it. Are you optimistic the Supreme Court is going to eventually take this up? What, in your mind, should happen there?
E
I certainly hope so, Clay, because I can't imagine the Founding Fathers wanted people that, you know, are visiting this country to be able to affect the allocation of congressional districts here and therefore the allocation of electoral votes to count illegal aliens. As happens, you think about California with the. With millions of illegal aliens resident there. Those illegal aliens are being counted. California, therefore, has disproportionate power, if you will. And every one of those aliens, they don't even have to vote, but they're shifting representation, more congressional districts to that state at the expense of states like our own in Tennessee. Tennessee was very close on the cusp of getting another congressional seat. We didn't get one. What happens as these states set up electoral. As they set up sanctuary cities, as they set up sanctuary states. Why are they doing this? The incentive is because they want these people to be counted. They want these people to come to their states to backfill the departure of actual citizens. Think no further than how many people have left California to come to Tennessee, to Texas, to Florida, New Jersey, New York. These are all sanctuary states. Illinois, where the sanctuary city is located in New York City, in Chicago, San Francisco, Los Angeles. They are backfilling with illegal aliens in order to maintain their congressional power and to retain the electoral votes that they have. Those. Those. Those votes should be moving to states that are growing like ours in Tennessee.
C
Amen. We're being disenfranchised of a congressional seat based on these illegal immigrants being caught. Counted in Tennessee. It's having a real impact where you and I live. Thank you, Senator. Appreciate all the time and we will talk to you again soon.
E
Wonderful to be with Oakville. Thank you.
C
That's Senator Bill Hagerty of the great state of Tennessee. And that's a real tangible impact when you talk about, hey, we lost a congressional seat because they are counting. Would have been a red seat here in Tennessee because they're counting illegal immigrants. Look, price picks available in all 50 states. California, Texas, Florida, Georgia, wherever you are, all 50 states. You can play along and you use my name, clay, you get 50 bucks deposited in your account. We'll have some picks for you for March Madness coming up. A lot of fun there. Download the Price Picks app today if you haven't already. A lot of you played along with us during the Super Bowl. Unfortunately, we didn't have a great performance by Jackson Smith in Jigba and as a result, we did not hit our number. If it. If Sam Darnold hadn't missed an early touchdown throw, for those of you who remember in the first quarter he had a chance to hit about an 85 yard touchdown, boom, we would have been over on the number. Instead, we took the L. But the Seahawks still won. And you can take the dub and get signed up for prize picks today in all 50 states. Trust me, it's easy to use. You just pick more or less two or more players. You will love it. Prizepix.com code clay for $50 in deposits in your account. That's pricepix.com code clay.
A
Do you know what, when you hear this music, there should be a scene that immediately comes.
C
To mind for you.
A
I'm putting you on the spot. This is a little. Name that tune, that intro music that.
C
We just played, is this Grease Lightning?
D
What?
A
Good Lord, Clay.
C
I don't. I'm trying to listen. I. I don't. What is the, the music? No, I have. No, I thought it was the Grease Lightning intro. There's.
A
It's in Beverly. Beverly Hills, when he's in the, when he's doing the cigarette deal and he's like, it's a government tax stamp. You can't. You can't beat that. And then like the, the truck. It's, by the way, one of the great opening sequences in any movie. But that's the, the music that they're playing in the background of that whole sequence, which I'm. Beverly Hills Cop, one of the best movies. I'll put, I'll put this out there. A top 10 movie of the 80s. I'd put it in the top 10.
C
That's outrageous. It's a very good movie. I mean, I'm just thinking off the top of my head. I mean, aren't there three Indiana Jones movies and three Star Wars? I guess the first Star wars was 77.
A
Only a nerd thinks that the Star wars movies are better than Beverly Hills Cop. You're not a nerd. Come on.
C
Empire Strikes Back is better than Beverly Hills Cop. All of the. That is all of the Indiana Jones movies are. I'm not anti Beverly Hills cop. Lethal Weapon 1 and 2, probably both better than Beverly Hills Cop.
A
Clay, now you're really. Now you're Terminator. Now you're just messing.
C
Terminator 2 better than Beverly Hills Cop.
A
I didn't say it was the best movie. I said it's top 10.
C
Well, I'm just naming, like, eight off the top of my head right there. And that's not even getting into, like, the Godfather or the Godfather 2.
A
I think the Godfather was, like, 1979 or so. Am I right on that one? Was the godfather 72? Clay, Clay, I know you. I know you were in high school, but, like, that was a long time ago. Okay? That's 1972.
E
That's.
A
I said the 80s.
C
Back to the Future. Back to the Future.
A
I would. I would put Back to the Future in the top 10 as well. Yes.
C
I think. I. I think it's hard to get to. To Beverly hills cop top 10. I'm not. I'm not demeaning the quality of the film. I. I'm a Beverly Hills Cop fan. But I. I think getting. I mean, some of people out there would say Trading Places, which I think came out in the 80s, is better than Beverly Hills.
A
No one says. No one says Trading Places is better, even as an Eddie Murphy movie.
C
No one says that's a better movie. Place is a very good, Very good movie.
A
I just.
C
I just.
A
So, you know, the movies, I. I went.
C
Obviously, there's a million different lists, but Lost Boys, like, this is a. This is the awful take by you, Clay.
A
It's not an awful. I mean, maybe if you want to say it's like, number 12 or 15.
C
Fine.
A
Back to the Future.
C
That.
A
This is what's on the, like, first list that comes up according to. What do you call it? Google? AI. Back to the Future, Empire Strikes Back, Raiders of a Lost Ark, et The Breakfast Club. No way. Beverly Hills Cop.
C
I would agree with you on the Breakfast Club.
A
That's crazy. The Blade Runner. No way. Beverly Hills Cops. A better movie Die Hard is a better movie than Beverly Hills Cop. It kills me to say that, but that is true.
C
I actually took a picture of the Die Hard, the Nakatomi Plaza when I was out in LA last week. The physical structure is right by the Fox lot and I meant to text it it to the show text chain. Die Hard is. Die Hard is I think the greatest action movie ever made. Now I know you can get into what is action, right. Because how broadly do you do. But I think most people know an action movie like a Shoot Em up, which different than a military movie like Saving Private Ryan is different than Die.
A
No, it's its own genre. Yeah, that there are war movies and there are action movies. Action movies involve clear steroid use by the protagonist and like one liners while he just shoots everybody while holding the gun in his left hand on the beautiful babe in his right arm being like, oh, like I am the hero. You know, very Schwarzenegger, Stallone, you know, these kinds of people. That's action movies. I would actually, I would put the Matrix in the action movie category. Even though some people would say sci fi, that's at the very top of my, you know, that's like a top five action movie for me. Okay, look, the 80s was a great decade for movies, but I, I, dude, Karate Kid.
C
I mean there are so many movies.
A
Out there better movie than Karate Kid.
C
Is better than Beverly Hills.
A
LaRusso is a little nerd. Little nerd. He started it. You like, you like the Cobra Kai and you know that the whole, the whole, you know, it was like Karate Kids PR team that convinced everybody that he should have stolen Elizabeth Shoe in the first place. That was the blonde haired guy's girl, man. You just show up senior year.
C
Kai is so good. For those of you out if you're. And I understand some people are like, oh, I hate every, like it is such a good series. So good. I mean it's ridiculous. But I watched it with my kids. They were obsessed with it. They loved it. I, yeah, that, that, that whole, that whole concept, that whole movie was just, just extraordinary in the follow up. But other than Buck being totally wrong about Beverly Hills. And by the way, didn't I get ripped just like six months ago for coming on and liking the new Beverly Hills Cop Axel F that aired on Netflix. I came on and I was like, Axel F was pretty good. It's like the fourth Beverly Cop or whatever. Beverly Hills Cop movie. So I'm not anti Beverly Hills Cop movie. It was very good. But, but yeah, that's That's a rough take by you.
A
Do you know what? According to Rotten.
C
Sorry.
A
I know you want to move on, but I love.
C
No, no, no. I'm actually number one.
A
The. The only. The only way we can really take this to the. To the mat here. Okay. Is looking at the. By the way, Ghostbusters. Absolutely. On my top 10 movies of the 80s. Absolutely.
C
You name 10 that are better.
A
All right, maybe it's top 15, then. But I'm getting close. I. Look, I agree, it would be sneaking in at the nine or ten slots, but it. But I would put it, you know, the. The number one movie, according to. Again, this is based on, like, all audience reviews. Back to the future, most beloved movie of the 80s, which ET is number two. Ghostbusters is number three. The Shining is very high, which, I mean, it's a great movie, but, like, I just don't like horror as a genre very much. Raiders of the Lost Ark. Yeah. Not a surprise. Die Hard. Die Hard. Terminator, Terminator, Predator. All amazing movies. And, you know, eventually we're going to get to Beverly Hills Cop in here. It's a little. Little. Little like 76. It's like, let me see. You know what? I'll find it. I'm a little sad right now. I thought. When I thought I was going to be able to. This is like when Nate Bargazzi says that he's going to tell his wife I do my own laundry, and it's like the end of the fight. I went to Rotten Tomatoes, and unfortunately, it's helping Clay's position, which is really upsetting me right now. Oh.
C
I mean.
A
Oh. Oh. It's the number. According to. It's the number 100 movie of the 80s. That's. That's.
C
That's not even barely made the top 100. It's a fine movie, but Back to the Future, and I would. I would argue Back to the Future is nearly a perfect movie, like, almost a perfectly constructed movie. Same thing for the Raiders. Lost Ark is good. I actually think the Last Crusade is the best of the. Of the Indiana Jones movies. And I think that came out in, like, 89.
A
Jaws came out in 75. I always thought Jaws.
C
We just had the 50 50th anniversary last year of Jaws.
A
Do kids still watch. Did your kids watch ET Like, I don't think that's a movie.
C
I don't think they've seen it. It's a sad movie. It wasn't one that I was super excited to watch with them. You know, I mean, it kind of ends In a. I mean, it's kind of a dark ending, so I don't even know that. We've watched E.T. we've watched all. Almost all the top 80s movies. That's a good question. I haven't watched it with him, Buck. I mean, this is a. This is a whip. Like, the team is just. The team is just throwing punches at you on our text. Jade, left and right with all the iconic 1980s movies.
A
You know what? I'm going for one more. I'm going for one more data point in my favor. Let's see what this goes here. Okay, baby. Oh, yeah. Here we go. Highest grossing. Highest grossing movies of the 1980s.
C
You ready for this?
A
I love AI it makes everything so fast. Now, what do you think the number one is? Clay on this one? Number one.
C
The highest grossing movie.
A
Highest 1980s.
C
Has to be.
A
We've already talked about it to. To narrow this down. It's not that.
C
Back to the Future.
A
No, that's actually number eight. Number one, ET $399 million. Now, this is adjusted for inflation, to be clear, but $399 million, you know, the number six movie of the 1980s is in terms of dollars, adjusted for inflation. All in. Beverly Hills Cop won. Boom. That's right. Don't give up that fight, everybody. You stay in that game, number six.
C
I mean, there's a lot of awful movies that make a lot of money. Aren't you the king of hating Avatar. And Avatar is like three or four of the biggest grossing movies of all time.
A
You're going to use my curmudgeonly consistency against me on this one. That's really where we're going. Okay, fair, fair.
D
But.
A
But really, it's dominated by the Indiana Jones series, the Star wars series, Ghostbusters, E.T. that, like, that's. Those are the biggest movies of the 80s. And then Beverly Hills Cop sneaks in there. So there you go. All right, all right. This is not film school. I know.
C
People, like, get back to the issues. Get back to the issues.
A
All right. What issue do you want?
C
I mean, the. The issue is, I would say we've analyzed as well as you can. Everybody is playing constantly on repeat now. The.
A
Oh, man.
C
Dark story.
A
We're going into the kidnapping story again.
C
No, I mean, I'm just saying, like, it is the lead story on every network right now. They're just repeating it over and over again. And I did say. I meant to mention this. I went to Savannah Guthrie's Instagram account. She shared these photos, and she said, we believe she is still alive. Bring her home. That's Savannah Guthrie. Anyone with information, please contact 1-800- call FBI or the Pima County Sheriff's Department. In Arizona, a high level football coach listening to the program. I don't want to put him on blast. Just texted. He's disgusted with you. Caddyshack should also be on the list. So Caddyshack elite 1980s.
A
He's not, he's not wrong, but I would say his disgust is a little excessive, that's all. Okay, he's not out of line with the pick, but like, you know, that's, I mean, Caddyshack is like a number. Number 20. I would put it, I'd put it like top 20 for the.
C
So you'd put. Made the top 100 way easier than your overall top 10. Call Beverly Hills Cop here.
A
Well, it's true, but I, I, like I said, I will just point out number six movie of the entire 1980s in box office receipts was Beverly Hills Cop. So it's really not that crazy to say It's a top 10 movie. The people spoke with their dollars, Clay. They spoke with their dollars.
C
These talk backs are going to be rough for you. When we come back, we'll take some of your calls, we'll get to some of your talk backs. By the way, we have Senator Bill Hagerty is going to be on with us at the top of the hour in about 15, 20 minutes. And then Steve Hilton running for governor of California also scheduled to join us at the bottom of the hour. And we still need to update the Epstein revelations. We'll maybe hit that at the bottom of the hour here with a couple of new details that have emerged there. In the meantime. I had the opportunity last year to visit the Legacy Box headquarters in Chattanooga. Really cool experience. Not just touring the facility. I got to see firsthand how they have built just an. Adam and Nick have built an incredible business in Chattanooga that offers an important service. They will preserve your family memories forever. Super 8 films, audio cassette slides, you name it, if it exists and you want to digitize it. Legacy Box has a team of 200 plus technicians with state of the art technology. Super easy. Just go to legacybox.com clay to get started. They'll send you a special legacy box where you put everything in that box. They take care of the rest. Don't worry, you get back the originals along with your new digital files. It's basically like a time capsule from the past into the present day. Get hooked up right now. Go to legacybox.com clay and you'll save 50 off when you preserve your past with Legacy box. That's a legacybox.com Clay for 50 off Legacybox.com Clay for 50 off.
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Episode: Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Feb 10, 2026
Date: February 10, 2026
This episode of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show tackles major political, economic, and cultural stories across America, focusing on state fiscal crises (especially California), blue state versus red state migration, the impact of COVID-era remote work on the relocation of wealth, and the fallout for the 2030 census. The hosts also dive into high taxes, public service inefficiencies, and ongoing gubernatorial races, highlighted by an in-depth conversation with Steve Hilton, Republican candidate for California governor. The second half of the episode features Senator Bill Hagerty discussing alleged government overreach, corporate complicity, and 2026 Senate race dynamics. The show closes with an extended and humorous debate about the greatest movies of the 1980s.
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Buck on state governance:
"The sense you get, especially in New York City, is you are like a cow to be milked. You are not a citizen. You are not there to be provided services by the government. You are the provider of the services with your labor. You are to be worked. You are a very highly paid serf." – Buck Sexton [11:06]
Clay on future political shifts:
"You're going to be unable to get elected president of the United States without winning red states... the pathway of winning Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin—it doesn't exist anymore." – Clay Travis [13:26]
Steve Hilton on California’s crisis:
"Before they even get it on the ballot, which they're trying to do, [the billionaire tax] has already caused $1 trillion of wealth to leave the state." – Steve Hilton [20:48]
Hilton advocating ‘California Revolution’:
"This year is going to be the California Revolution because we just can’t go on like this." – Steve Hilton [28:11]
Sen. Hagerty on privacy abuse:
"If they would do this to a sitting senator…what would they do to the rest of their customers?" – Sen. Bill Hagerty [39:06]
The episode is classic Clay & Buck: fast-paced, conversational, intensely critical of progressive policies but laced with sarcasm, humor, and periodic pop culture references.
This episode delivers comprehensive analysis about state-level policy divergence in America, with a focus on California’s descent into fiscal unsustainability, escalating tax and energy costs, and mass outmigration of the wealthy. Interviews with Steve Hilton and Senator Bill Hagerty flesh out the political and procedural challenges facing Republicans in 2026. The hosts balance policy critique with light, relatable banter over 80s pop culture, highlighting the unique mix of intelligence, irreverence, and humor that defines the show.