← The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
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This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.
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Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show podcast. Okay, let's dive into something that is a little bit fun, but also yet another thing we were right about. So the data has come out, Buck, on the Super Bowl. And I said, bad bunny, bad choice for the Super Bowl. And people are still attacking me over this. I said, hey, you know what? The super bowl halftime show should be in span. Should not be in Spanish, should be in English. And I said, I just did Piers Morgan show right before this show started, so it's going to be up in a little bit. But I told Piers Morgan because Pierce was like, well, what would you say if Pavarotti were the halftime performer? I said, that would be a poor choice, Pierce. I don't even even.
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Come on.
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Even. Even if it is the greatest opera singer of all time, I don't think it would be a smart decision for the NFL to have an opera singer.
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Or anyone else doing the national anthem. That would be cool. Like, you know, there's.
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He's doing it in English. If it's a national anthem, I don't think it would be smart to do the national anthem in Italian. So although it would be maybe interesting to hear, the data has come out. Buck bad bunny lost 10 million viewers. The most people that have ever turned off or left the super bowl for a halftime show in the history of the super bowl. Ok. And so I, I think this is a clear sign. Turning Point USA obviously got whatever it was, 6 million live streamers on their YouTube channel and other people just decided to bail. I've said this before. It always has fascinated me. Almost always. The super bowl viewership peaks at halftime. So for those of you out there that say, well, I don't know why you care. I don't. Usually the biggest possible audience that is watching the super bowl watches at halftime. There are lots of people, as many of you know, because this is what frustrates me about the Super Bowl. As a big sports fan, tons of people come rolling into super bowl parties that have never watched an NFL game all year. And they talk loudly and they distract me from being able to actually watch the game. Cause I watch games all year. People like Buck, they come in and they're just chirping in the background.
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I knew, I knew this was going to turn into a little clay jiu jitsu move to put me in the kimura, because I don't actually watch chirping.
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In the background about all the other things going on in their life. And I'm like, I'm trying to hear what, what they're saying. I'm trying to watch the game. So. But it is the case that there were the most people to ever turn off the super bowl in the history of the Super Bowl.
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Can ask you a real, real question, like. Cause I, I actually, when I've gone with you to college football games, I try not to ask a million questions. And you're actually very, very kind to explain the basics. So I have some idea what the heck is going on. Do you ever have to just be like, hey, guys, I need radio silence? Like, I can't answer. I can't answer all of your questions while I'm watching. If you're in sort of a group set, like, how do you handle that? Cause I would assume everyone's like, clay, what do you think about that wide receiver choice? Clay, what do you think about the assistant coach who's doing the blah, blah?
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You are going to appreciate this. And I might be the only person on the planet who does this. I want to hear what the coaches say in the halftime interview, and I also want to hear in a post game interview what the coaches and players say. So the game ends and there's bedlam all around. And regularly, my poor kids, regularly, I'm like, hey, pipe down over there. I'm trying to hear what he's saying in the post game interview or the halftime interview because occasionally you get information, you know, players injured and the coach is jogging off. And you can try to deduce from the interview, I don't know what percentage of people out there are like me and, and want to actually hear the interview. Now, the other thing, Buck, that I will say is I, and I don't know how many people are like me in this way. When my team is playing poorly and it's a team that I actually care about, I mute the broadcast. My wife has been making fun of me for this for years. I don't want to hear announcers basically cheering on the other team and talking about how amazing they look. I can watch a game without announcers and tell every single thing I need to know by and large about the game, with the exception of sometimes, like I said, an interview with somebody on the field. So I will often sit in complete silence watching games during, during. While I'm sitting in front of my television, my wife will walk in, she'll be like, why? You're just sitting in a room, it's completely silent watching a game. Like, yeah, the game's not going Well, I don't need to hear the announcers, you know, pile on about how crappy my team's playing. So I would say in general, I want the information, if it's useful to be, to be, to get from the, from the interviews. But yeah, like this, this, this idea, I do think it's a flaw. People are going to say, well, why does this matter? What is the lesson that should be drawn from it? I think it's that the NFL should be trying to reach the broadest possible audience. And some people are going to roll their eyes about this. But I do think American cultural experiences that are shared matters. Having something that everybody is experiencing together as one is something that that is. Should be aspirational. We have relatively few of those. And making selections on a halftime show that alienates the vast majority of the viewership because they have no idea what's being said or what's being done is a poor decision by the NFL. And I think they should reconsider going forward and try to get people very basically who speak English to perform at the halftime show.
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And I just have to say there's also been this. I like that he. Bad Bunny. What his name is. His last name is Ocasio, right?
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I have no idea what his actual name is. Is he related to aoc? Are they brother and sister?
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Pretty well. I was wondering if there's some, Some relation there. But I thought it was interesting that there was this. Spanish is now the language of anti colonialism. That is truly hilarious.
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Oh, that is a funny.
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That is a hilarious take that you are seeing online now from some people. Like, well, of course, like this is Spanish is the language like against. Against oppression of. And the oppression of native peoples. It's like. So I had to do. I had to take to Twitter on this one or to X to be like, guys, nobody showed up with more brutal. And by the way, Spain, I love my time in Spain. I think Spain is a beautiful country, an amazing place. I think it probably saved Western civilization. Battle of Lepanto a whole bunch. You know, the tours with Charles Martel. There's a whole lot. I'm very pro Spain, just to be clear. I think what Spain did for the world was a great Catholic country for hundreds of years. And it did amazing things that all said the Spanish showed up in the new world and they were like, we're going to take all your stuff. We're going to kill a lot of you. And anybody who doesn't do what we say, we're definitely killing you and burning down your Whole village. It wasn't like the Puritans arriving in Massachusetts, trading corn with the natives at Thanksgiving or whatever it was.
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I hadn't seen this. That people are saying that Spanish is the anti.
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Oh, yeah.
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Language. Oh, it's very cool.
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Oh, yeah. Spanish is now the language of the oppressed or something. I'm like, well, you got to learn a little bit about how we got here, everybody. So, yes, it turns out if you learn your history, I mean, the. The Spanish, there's a reason they're called the conquistadors. They weren't showing up to, like, just settle. They realized that this. And this is how they funded the Spanish empire, by just taking all of the gold. And there was tremendous gold, particularly with the Incas, but also with the Aztecs. They just took all their stuff. They had treasure galleons going back to Spain to pay for the Spanish empire and its wars in Europe. And they were absolutely brutal. Like, this is. It's just so funny to me that people are thinking this and then people are like, yeah, but what about the British and their role in the transatlantic slave trade? I'm like, oh, no, that's true. The British for a couple of hundred years were the second worst when it came to the transatlantic slave trade. Anyone. Anyone at home want to know who they act by far, by far the. The biggest perpetrator of the transatlantic slave trade? The Portuguese. And where do they take all of the slaves? Mostly Brazil, the Caribbean, and parts of South America, but mostly Brazil by far number one. So I just think it's interesting. Spain, Portugal, now we think of them as like, you know, like the. The motherland for Latin America and everything else, but man, they were the. They were the colonial powers par excellence. And they were rough. They were playing for keeps back in the day.
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It's also funny because anyone that actually talks about reparations, the idea is that the United States should be the sole payer of reparations, when to your point, Buck, Europe is actually responsible overwhelmingly for all of slavery in Africa. And of course, people only focus on slaves from Africa. Right. Despite the fact that for thousands of.
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The Barbary pirate slave trade in white Christians, which went on, millions of people and went on for hundreds of years went as far. The North African slavers went as far as Iceland and Ireland picking off white people to sell into slavery. And this isn't. This isn't taught in schools. And people. You tell them this, they'll be like, that's not true. Google it.
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Actually, better Crockett. You'll see all True. It's actually, I think, symptomatic of one of the great major issues that we have in this country, which is historical illiteracy and the inability to understand our country. But basically the whole landscape of the world historically, everything. I mean, this is really. I mean, this is intentional. The entire purpose of much of left wing cultural argument is to. They made it explicit with the 1619 Project Root all of American history and indeed all of Western civilization to slavery, which began in 1619. Which is why they tried to, with Nikole Hannah Jones, New York Times, try to argue, hey, the real focus of America is not 1776, when we got independence. It's actually 1619, when, because America is founded in the original sin of slavery and therefore nothing that occurred in America is legitimate, we can burn down the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, all of the great heroes of American life, they are illegitimate. The Constitution, all of the great heroes of American life, they are illegitimate because the true founding of America happened in 1690.
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Very darted in the early 1800s. So even before here in America and then in America, we fought a huge, massive civil war. With how many casualties, clay?
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In total, 600,000 people died in a time when the population of the United States was I think only like 15 million or some 20 million, like a huge percentage of people died.
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The British became a global anti slavery force. America said, we can't allow this anymore here. And then we had a very, you know, very bloody civil war to end that. To end that practice. What do the Portuguese and the Spanish do? You know, I mean, I'm just saying, like, where's their. Where's their huge cost in blood and treasure to make up for this stuff anyway?
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No, I mean, look, anybody who studies this, it is. Again, we are historically illiterate as a country. When you actually study the history of the United States and frankly the history of the world, you have a little bit more depth to be able to discuss many different issues.
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Here's something else for my. For some of my Latin American friends down here, including a lot of Brazilians. You know, when. You know, when Brazil abolished slavery, Clay.
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Formally, It was like 1940 or something, right?
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Well, 1888, but late. That's late in the process.
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I mean, go pull it, pull it up. I mean, I'll ask Grok. Some countries did not. That you know of, did not abolish slavery until like World War II era.
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Well, this is the. There's a note. There's a note here that while they formally abolished it legally, Clay, thousands of people continued to work in Effectively slave conditions for decades after the formal abolition in Brazil. But point here being everybody you all know, oh, 1619 Project Portugal. How many people knew that? Just saying.
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I just groked it. So we'll find out. Some of these countries you're going to hear and you're going to be like what? Like this is unbelievable. Nigeria for instance, Buck, did not end slavery until 1936. Yeah, yeah. I mean there are people alive who were slaves in Nigeria. There you go. But I'll hit you with a couple of other of those that you probably don't hear about very much. Look, every living room and family room should have a Cozy Earth cuddle blanket during the winter months. Right now the ultra plush Cuddle blanket, all the rage. It's on sale this week. We've got them. They're amazing. We've got them in the Travis household. They are fantastic. Everything Cozy Earth makes is soft and luxurious, including the Cuddle blanket. And purchase is totally risk free. You get 100 day money back guarantee, 10 year warranty because this kind of comfort's made to last. Go online to cozyearth.com use my name Clay to get up to 20% discount on a Cuddle blanket. And if you get a post purchase survey be sure to mention you heard about Cozy Earth right here one more time. Cozyearth.com is the website. Use the promo code Clay to get your discount on the purchase you get. Can that's cozyearth.com promo code C L A Y.
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Got a lot to talk about. So we just got deep into that history conversation which I hope, I hope.
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You let me hit you with some more countries, Buck, because we were saying you pointed out slavery in 1888. Here are some. I mentioned that Nigeria, the 1930s, Oman, much of the Middle East, 1970, United Arab Emirates, 1964, Saudi Arabia, 1962, Mauritania, 1981. So again, and we should point out too because some of you are popping off in there and making a point. There are still people who are enslaved in the, in the world today, right? Like there are people that are in many Sudan.
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There are countries where there's still active slavery practices by the way, African countries in particular, where that is still going on. And it's usually Arab Muslims or ethnic Arab Muslims who are enslaving black Africans which also, you know, New York Times doesn't like to talk about that very much. Also Clay, you mentioned Nigeria. Nigeria is in the opening chapter of this book manufacturing delusion because I was there chasing the group. This is a true story. Obviously it's in the book chasing the group that would become Boko Haram in the earliest days and checking out the radicalization that was involved the mosques in parts of Nigeria where nobody goes because it's super dangerous. And yeah, I think you should get a copy of the book, my friends. Go to clayandbuck.com if you want. You can get the special video download. Clay we're entering the shamelessness zone, my friend. I need everyone listening to this show to buy this book. It's actually really good and I wrote it. Clay and I write our books which especially in the days of AI I think this is going to be. Clay it's going to be a very unusual thing for people to write their books, but I wrote it, wrote every word. How the left uses brainwashing and indoctrination and propaganda manufacturing delusion for the people.
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Who want to get the audiobook.
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I did the audio, which Clay also told me was going to take a long time and drive me nuts. But it was really fun. Actually when it was done doing it wasn't that fun. Took forever. But the audiobook is me, your voice, yours truly, voicing it. So there we go. Clay, everything you said about this process was true, by the way. It takes forever and I need everyone to buy the book or else I will be sad because it's a really good book. Definitely want to get some of your talkbacks and your calls this hour. We usually do that, of course, in the back half. So send in those talkbacks now and if you got a call, by all means give us a call in a little bit. Also on those emails, we'll remind you to subscribe to our YouTube channel. Great video goes up on that YouTube every day of the show and we want to reach the youth and they are on the YouTube so we don't want to be a couple of unks. A word that I have learned from Clay's boys. I We don't want to be UNCS. So we are on YouTube, which is very important so we can have the 20s and the 30s year olds of America listening in. So please go and subscribe and tell your kids or your grandkids that that's where they can find us. This is where the cool kids hang these days and that's where we can. Yes, you look like.
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No, I'm just kind of, I'm just kind of laughing along because I was at the, at super bowl week and I was out to dinner with people who are in their 30s and consider themselves to be sort of, you know, with it in the social universe. And I was naming a couple of people that my boys are paying attention to now online. My teenage boys, and they had never heard of them. And, and now those people are. They're like questioning everything. So it's just funny. I don't know at what age you become aware that you're not really aware of what young people are doing. Using the phrase young people is probably one sign of that. But I watched the Grammys like I popped it on. I don't know any of these people. Like, you know, the. Almost the entire arena of current music stars, I have almost no idea who any of them are. And even increasingly the social media world, I don't know any. I mean, the, the Tick tock stars, like all these people, we don't have the same recognition of fame as in the past. I actually think it's kind of interesting. Every world sort of universe has its own super famous people, but they don't cross over in the same way that they did in the 80s and 90s when we had global superstars in United States superstars. Everybody knew we have a lot of islands of fame now. And those islands of fame may not cross over at all. Which is why we want you to subscribe to us on YouTube because we're trying to reach people who frankly have no idea we exist, because our arguments are good.
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This is actually reminding me of how my first year in Miami, there was absolute gridlock. And I lived in down. I lived in actual Miami, not Miami beach at the time. And there was a total gridlock. And my Uber driver, we couldn't go. I mean, it was just, you could tell, it was like. I was like, is the president here? What is going on? I mean, you couldn't get anywhere in Miami. And he goes, it's a Bad Bunny concert. And I'm telling you, it was the first time I had ever heard of this. And I told him, I said, who is Bad Bunny? And he was, he was a young Latin American fellow and he was absolutely could not believe that I did not know who Bad Bunny was. It was like, it was the craziest thing he had ever heard. It was like I was a space Martian who landed on Earth. And he was like poking and prodding me. He's like, you don't know Bad Bunny? I was like, I do not know Bad Bunny.
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I watched Happy Gilmore 2. Bad Bunny is in that movie. I had no idea who he was. Like, he's the caddy in Happy Gilmore 2. There's a lot of famous celebrities who have different roles until the movie was over, I had never heard of him and I had no earthly idea that he was a famous person. I was like, who is this guy who's not a very good actor that has been in this movie for the whole way? I had no idea. I'm like you. I had no earthly idea who this guy was.
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I also think that that fame and celebrity status because of social media. First of all, the, and this is a little digression from the news stories we're going to talk about, but the era of like paparazzi as this thing, you know, think of it like the paparazzi chasing Princess Di. People share photos themselves now all the time for free, publicly, especially celebrities. So this idea that like you, oh, we need to catch a glimpse of somebody, I think that's gone now, largely gone, at least because of social media. And also everyone knows there are cameras everywhere all the time. So you're going to catch somebody like, you know, some famous actor like sneaking out of the strip club and it's a big deal. Like everyone knows everyone's everywhere all the time or sees everyone all the time. And so that's, that's a big change. But also now you know, if someone, if you're not famous in the worlds in which they inhabit. Clay, to, to your point, you don't really count. Like there are people. I saw one of the longest lines I have ever seen for anything. And I mean including Star wars openings and movie theaters in New York. And I had to ask. It was down in like the Flatiron district of Manhattan. And I'll never forget this.
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It went on for.
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There were so many people in line clay that they had to be separated for traffic. And so they had people like ushering people across the street because the line went for so long. I mean they just, and they couldn't just block off the whole sidewalk with people. And I was just like, what is this? And it was for a YouTuber who did makeup tutorials. It was also, by the way, all like 18 year old girls basically in this line. But it was a YouTuber who did makeup tutorials who has millions and millions and millions of followers. I'd never heard of this person before. So your point about there is a. There's just different channels now and people's existence. You can be super famous in one context and no one has any idea who you are.
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I your YouTube example, this was the first time I realized how big YouTube was getting. I don't go to the mall that often, but I was going to the mall for like a Christmas last minute shopping trip. And they had a tour of YouTube and personalities. This is probably like 15 years ago. And the entire mall was swarmed with kids such that you could barely move in the mall. And I had no idea who any of these people that they were clamoring to see. I'll give you an example because again, I have my own kids. I played in that celebrity poker match with Ted Cruz, Doyle Brunson with.
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Yeah. And Mr. Beast was like the most famous person you had ever sat next to in your life according to your boys.
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Yeah, the o. And, and Mr. Beast, I had really didn't know him at all. And now he's kind of. He's a billionaire. I think he's better known now than he was like four or five years ago by the general public. But that niche of teenage or, you know, like, it was really tweens, Right. Like if you were 8 to 12, about five years ago, 8 to 14, you were obsessed with Mr. Beast. Now those kids have gotten older, but I had no idea that audience existed. And so my point on this is we have created a world where cultures don't overlap all the time and where somebody can be super influential. I think honestly, Kamala got caught flat footed on this because she thought traditional celebrities endorsing her were going to make a difference. And Trump recognized the rise of the online ecosystem in a way that she did not. And I do think those guys that have young male audiences are uniquely influential in a way that, I don't know. Queen Latifah and Beyonce are not. Those young male audiences online, they're more impactful than ever before.
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I had a buddy down here who went on a date with a Latin pop star and I had, he told me and I had never heard of this person before. And this woman had 60 million Instagram followers. Clay. 60 million?
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Yeah. That's unbelievable.
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And I was like, that's a lot. That's, you know, if you're, if you're in conservative media and you have seven figures of Instagram followers, that's pretty unusual. I mean, there's some, you know, I mean, you know, Megyn Kelly has millions. Ben Shapiro, I mean, there are people who have a lot of Instagram followers, but they don't, they don't have 60 million. That I could tell you. So the point is here, the world, what is fame and what is notoriety and all these things, it has changed dramatically. Ok, that was a bit of a digression. Let's dive into something else. Well, this ties into the fame thing. A bit. Because a lot of you have been pointing out that the Nancy Guthrie story is getting a hugely disproportionate amount of attention because she has a famous daughter. That is just true. That said, we want Nancy Guthrie to be returned home safe and sound, and we want the FBI to be able to bring this to the swiftest possible conclusion. Caroline Levitt in the White House. This is cut three. She spoke about this play. Play three.
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And everyone, thank you. Thank you for coming today.
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I apologize for the delay.
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I was once again with the President. He and I were both reviewing the.
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Newly released surveillance footage from FBI in the Savannah Guthrie case on just this.
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Heartbreaking situation with respect to her mother.
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And once again, I will reiterate that.
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The prayers of the. This entire White House are with Savannah.
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And her family at this time. And we hope this person is found soon and that her mother is brought home safe.
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There we. I mean, that's where this is right now, Clay. They. They had a person of interest that they talked to, and it's quite clear this is not somebody who was involved in the kidnapping. And. And, you know, everything is. But I was just thinking about this. When the story's breaking last night, when there's so much attention on a case like this as there is a national, big national story, it's leading a lot of news broadcasts right now and a. Leading a lot of news websites. Can you imagine? You're the. You're the, like, the Uber Eats driver who was just geolocated to be in the vicinity when this happened, and the FBI team and the windbreakers and everything show up at your door. That's gotta be. And, you know, you have nothing to do with, like. But that's gotta be a heck of a moment.
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Yes.
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I will say it's a positive that they've been able to geolocate some people. And I guess they probably pulled up who that guy was and tried to photo match him with the information that they have of who was on the front porch. This is also, however, a sign of how obsessively the media is covering this, that we know every intricate, minute, picayune detail of this investigation that's going on, such that. I mean, they interviewed last night before I was going to bed, I saw some of this stuff happening on social media. Oh, they've detained someone. Maybe there's a person of interest. I put it on. And Then shortly thereafter, CNN's interviewing the guy's mom. And I was like, I'm not an expert on, you know, criminal profiling, but when the when your mom comes out and does an interview and she's like, I. I don't know what's going on here. They're in the house, they're searching. I was like, do we have this audio?
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We have. It's cut. Cut. Woman whose house is being searched for Nancy. Nancy Guthrie. She was like, ah, we got. We got nothing to do with that. Play two.
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They came up telling us that they had somebody gave a tip that the lady was in the house. I don't know her name. That we don't know. We don't know her at all. I don't know who she is. I don't know anything about her. They only said that they gave a tip that she was in my house. And I told them, you can go in and search for house. There's nobody there. I have nothing to buy. There's nobody in my house. And I don't know what's going on. I mean, getting family members that might know. No, they're. They're. They're investigating my son in law.
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He's not.
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Have nothing to do with that either. I don't know.
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Else.
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It's kind of Venezuela. I have nothing to do with it either. I don't know what's going. What else to say. Yeah, they're just invading my property. I told him they're going in and out my house is taking it out on pictures and everything. I mean, like, I told him, we're not hiding anything. I give him permission. You can go in search. There's nothing in my house. You won't find anything because we don't have nothing to hide.
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Clay, if. If you. If you are the person here that they're showing up saying, we have a tip that Nancy Guthrie's in your home, do you just say. Do you go, fb, whatever you want, FBI, just go for it? Or do you say, hold on a second. I need to see a warrant and I need to speak to a lawyer.
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I would see. Need to. I mean, this is. I'm a lawyer. My first thought would be, somebody's trying to set me up. So I, I don't want. I. I don't want anybody searching my home for anything without a warrant. Because I. I mean, and this. This may be me uniquely being a lawyer and a media figure, but if the FBI shows up banging on my door, even if I know that there's no truth to it at all, like, I mean, you know, Nancy Guthrie's not in my house, and. But I would be like, what's going on here is somebody Trying to set me up. I would be nervous about the search process itself and somebody like, you know, basically planting evidence based on what we saw happen to Trump. I'm not letting the FBI search my house for anything without a warrant. Even now. Even now with Cash Patel, who I like and know as the FBI director, I am saying, no, sir. And I understand some people are going to say, well, that seems like you're suspicious, but as a lawyer, I don't want people in my house without warrants, period. I mean, what would you do?
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I agree with you in principle, and you are correct on the law. I think if you're this person, you're this. This woman, and it's so hard to be like, excuse me, FBI, excuse me, I'm going to wait for my attorney. And, you know, I just think that the pressure that somebody would feel. I'm not saying that it's the right move in response to the pressure, but the pressure to just be like, look for anything you want. I don't care.
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Would be, well, most people are going to allow authorities in their house to search even without a warrant, because you don't know your full rights. And you just. Because they ask, hey, are you okay? I mean, you know, paraphrasing, are you okay if we come in and search for so and so. Most people don't think to then say, do you have a warrant? Because when you consent to a search, then you've consented. They can come through.
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Well, I think a lot of cops, I don't know, we could take some talkbacks and some calls from cops and former FBI, the current FBI on this. They want to call in. I. I think that they might start to. They. Again, there's a process as a procedure. But if you're the person, when someone shows up, knocks the door, says, we think that Nancy Guthrie is in your house, and you're like, excuse me, I want it. I want to see a warrant. And, like, I want my attorney present. I. I think that they get even if. My point here is that even though that is lawful and the right thing for someone to do in that circumstance, I think the cops would be like, oh, we might have a problem here.
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B
I get it.
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A
If you don't have a problem, then it's fine. But I'm just saying, everyone, you're. Now, you go from a person of interest to a person of suspicion pretty fast in that situation. That's all. I just said observation. But Clay is right on the. You don't talk to the. Look, I don't talk to the FBI without it, without an attorney present. I'll tell you that right now.
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B
I just talk about an attorney, presenter, guys, too much try to set traps. Everything else. My first thought is, who set me up? I mean, I'm not going to have. The rules are the rules in the house. Yeah, the rules are the rules.
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A
But this isn't like some random FBI got knocking at your door in a windbreaker like, hey, can we talk about something? This is. We think Nancy. Nancy Guthrie's in your house.
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B
Yeah, that's.
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A
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B
Still no update, really, on Nancy Guthrie. For those of you following that case, Pam Bondi is testifying on Capitol Hill about Jeffrey Epstein. And more good news coming out about the US economy. Unemployment rate fell down to 4.3%. Over a hundred thousand new jobs created. All of that, very positive. It sent the stock market up again to near record highs and beyond. And we have been talking about all those stories and more throughout the course of the first two hours. But I was reading yesterday Buck Red as well. New York Times editorial came out and said, hey, about this whole legalization of marijuana, basically we were wrong. I'm paraphrasing. The impact of marijuana on society has been far more substantial than we anticipated. A stat in there blew my mind. More people use marijuana daily than use alcohol daily. Uh, Alex Barentson, you've been writing about this for quite some time. I just put up a question and I'm curious to see what the answer is. As a lead in for you, I asked Would you rather your kids smoke pot for the rest of their lives as adults or drink alcohol for the rest of their lives? I'll share those results with you here shortly. But, Alex, you're a parent. If. And obviously I know a lot of people out there. Like, I don't want my kids to drink and I don't want them to smoke anything. Okay. Ideally, that would be the case. They live to be 180 and be super healthy. But if you had to choose as a father based on what, you know, is alcohol or pot in your mind, more of a health concern when it's used regularly?
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C
If we're talking about starting as a teenager, I would definitely want them to consume alcohol instead of cannabis because cannabis is much more likely to cause them really severe psychiatric health problems if they start using as a teenager.
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B
Okay, sorry to cut you off there, but. But explain what you mean by that, because most people think pot, they think, like, you're just kind of a. Well, I'm gonna be honest, like a kind of a slacker. Not very motivated, those things. But there is evidence out there that actually it leads to severe psychological issues. Explain.
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C
So. So it's interesting because I wrote a book called Tell youl Children about this in 2019. Right. That's seven years ago. And. And, you know, even at that time, the science was pretty developed on this. It's only become more developed since. And. And I would say I sort of experienced what it was like to kind of be too far ahead on an issue in that the industry hated me, the legalizers hated me, and nobody either on the left or the right was particularly interested in the science because I think. I think most people had, you know, the only. Yes, there were older people who didn't really like cannabis, but most people, you know, I would say 50 and younger, certainly viewed things the way you do. Like, oh, this is just a, you know, this is sort of a. A light recreational drug that, yeah, most people, if they get stoned, they're just going to sit on their couch eating Doritos. So there's a couple things. First of all, that was never really true, but it's become much less true in the last 20 years. And the reason for that is that cannabis has gotten much, much stronger. So what I mean is that the plant used to have 1 to 5% THC in it by weight. And so you, you know, you'd pack a joint, you'd smoke it, you'd get maybe 10 milligrams of THC. And that was, you know, that was A couple drinks, it was enough to get you a bit high. Some people liked that, some people didn't. These days, what's happened is that the industry, cannabis actually is quite addictive. Not so much physically, psychologically, it's very addictive. And the industry, even before it became legal, but also since it's become legal, has responded to that by producing plants that are like 20 to 30% THC by weight. So you're getting much more of this chemical. It's like you used to drink a beer, and all of a sudden the beer is whiskey, okay? But there's something else that's happened, which is a lot of people these days don't even smoke what's called flower cannabis, which is what you think of as a joint or a bong. They vape. So when they're vaping, they're basically just. They're just basically inhaling pure thc. This is stuff that has been, if it's been grown at all, it's been grown with cannabis that isn't very high quality. And then literally, people run alcohol through it, they run propane through it. It's a real Frankensteinian process to extract chemical thc. Then that's turned into a distillate, that's put into a vape. So when people say this stuff is natural, it's about as natural. It's actually less natural than your average cigarette. It's more like a nicotine vape. And so that what that means from the user point of view, putting aside all the, like, chemical stuff, is what it means from a user point of view is it's really easy to use a lot of thc. And unlike alcohol, most people, you know, I. I would say most people have a pretty common reaction to alcohol, right? It's an intoxicant. It loosens you up a little bit. Some people really like it. But most people, even if they don't like it much, they'll like a couple of drinks, right? With cannabis is very different. Some people do not like the high at all. They find it makes them paranoid, it makes them upset. They do it once or twice, they don't like it. Some people really like this sort of quasi hallucinatory effect it provides along with the intoxication. And those people will use a huge amount of it. And weirdly enough, some of them don't actually seem to mind that they get paranoid and quasi psychotic on it. And those are the people who are really at risk. And unfortunately, if you start using this drug when you're 13, 14, 15, 16, and you become a heavy user of it. Your risk of developing a psychotic disorder, usually schizophrenia is, is much higher than people realize. And those are terrible illnesses, right? So schizophrenia is a, you know, you hear voices, you get very paranoid. It's something you can't turn on and off. Right? It's not a temporary condition from smoking pot. It's permanent. And that wrecks people's lives, it wrecks families. And that's what tell your children was all about. And so the industry obviously hated this. And I think just a lot of people didn't, you know, reefer madness was what they thought, oh, this is nonsense. This is not a real thing. This is just somebody who doesn't like drugs. Unfortunately, it is real. And I think what's happened in the last five years is a lot of people have seen friends or family members or kids or friends of kids get very badly impacted by cannabis. And in fact, to me, the most significant thing that happened in the last week, the Times editorial is very important. The most significant thing that happened in the last week is that a conservative commentator, a young woman named Brett Cooper, who you guys may know, I think she's in Nashville, right?
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B
Yeah, she is.
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C
So she wrote a post or she posted something on Twitter on X yesterday saying, my brother has just been diagnosed with schizophrenia. And the doctors told us it's probably related to his cannabis use. So that post has now gotten more than 4 million views. So what, what is happening is that people out there are seeing like, oh, this guy Berenson, he's not like, he's not some anti drug lunatic. He's writing about a real medical problem that y. Obviously it's true that most people who use cannabis, even if they use a lot, even if they smoke THC vapes, they're not going to become permanently psychotic. But this is a real risk. It's a dangerous drug. There are other health risks. There are cardiac risks. There's something called cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome, which most people just call scromiding, which is when you become. You start to use and you basically begin to vomit uncontrollably. And this is a real problem. I mean, it sounds bizarre, but it is a real problem. And then there's just like the apathy and the memory problems and just the. The general issues around using cannabis for long periods of time that I think even the industry would acknowledge.
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A
Alex, could I, could I jump in there to just see. See if you can give us a sense of the societal cost of all of this as well? Because one thing I remember when we were at that phase of, oh, legalize, everything will be great, everything be fine. It was like, it's going to pay for all the schools. It's going to be so heavily taxed. That'll be a great source of revenue. And, you know, all these. And it's going to be regulated in a way where it's not. I can't walk around the street in New York City now with just. There's just weed everywhere. It's just all over the place, and it drives me nuts.
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C
It's. There's a ton of weed. And the truth is you can't tax it at a very high level because it will just drive people back to the illicit market. That's what California has found. And one of the other amazing things. So the Times writes this editorial and they say, well, basically, we don't like vapes. We don't want 60% THC cannabis products to be legal. So no vapes, basically. So what's that going to look like in practice? We're going to have a legal industry that's advertising product, but more than 60% is suddenly illegal. You want to talk about a nightmare for law enforcement? It's hard to imagine a bigger nightmare than that. So, I mean, to me, there are law enforcement issues here. There are questions that we have to answer as a society about legalization and regulation. But the number one issue here is cultural. The number one issue here is this can't be promoted to people as medicine anymore. And we have to be honest, it's an addictive, dangerous product that a lot of people can't use safely. That does cause car accidents, that does cause violence, because psychosis does cause violence. And cannabis can cause psychotic episodes as well as schizophrenia. And so if we're honest about it, if we, you know, if we push back the way we've pushed back on cigarettes, there will be less use. And that is the number one thing we got to do.
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B
So, Alex, Buck and I were just talking off air. There are a lot of great societies where alcohol is consumed in a substantial level, right? I mean, much of human history, people have consumed alcohol and society has advanced in a significant way. Let me give you this, by the way. 58% of you say you would rather your kids. This is on my poll. 58% of you say you would rather your kids drink alcohol. 42% of you said you would rather your kids smoke pot. It seems to me, again, the slacker gene of pot smoking is that you just don't accomplish very much society wide. If we all smoked Pot and we all drank alcohol or vice versa, what do you think the impact would be? Obviously, in an ideal world, people would only make healthy decisions and we'd all live to be 150. But obviously there are sins and vices that are going to be consumed. What should happen in your world if you had a magic wand with pot and can you think society wide again? Lots of cultures that embrace alcohol have had tremendous success. Are there cultures that embrace pot that have gone to different levels of societal and human history success?
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C
So it is very interesting because usually when cannabis hits a certain level in society, and you can see this in India in particular. Okay. But also in North Africa to some extent in Mexico in the, in the, in the late 1800s, there becomes a big pushback actually there. And it's because what happens is people do say this doesn't look like a very good drug for a lot of people to be using. It doesn't seem to, you know, enhance motivation. It doesn't seem to make its users sort of better citizens in any way. It makes a lot of them drop out and it makes some of them again in this odd way, it makes them mentally ill. And then, and then we have to deal with the cost of that and the violence of that. And obviously that's also terrible on a personal level for the person and for their families. And so, and so you see, basically the US and Canada have pushed legalization in these sort of last hundred years further than anybody else. And usually when it hits the levels in, that it has hit in the US I'm talking about historically, there is a pendulum swing against this which you don't see with alcohol. Alcohol. You know, look, the US did try to prohibit it at one time, but, but about 50% of adults consume alcohol in the U.S. and in some cultures it's been more than that over time. And, and what you see is that alcohol is a drug that a lot of people consume pretty casually. Another thing about alcohol is, and this sounds sort of a silly way to put it, but it's a real thing, easy to titrate, meaning if you one beer, you kind of know what that one beer is going to do to you. Cannabis, it's smoked, it's actually a lot harder to know exactly how much you're consuming and how it might affect you at any time. And so alcohol in some ways, I mean, if you're going to pick an intoxicant, alcohol is a pretty good intoxicant to pick. It's also a pro social drug. Like, like, you know, you can. You can do a study. You. You get a bunch of people who don't know each other in a room, and, you know, they don't talk much. You give each of them an alcohol, you know, an alcohol unit, a beer, a glass of wine, whatever it is, the noise level goes up, they start to talk. And so I'm not, by the way, I'm not saying that alcohol is in any way, you know, something we should all be using a lot or that it's a, you know, that it's a. That it's a particularly good drug, it does cause violence, it causes car accidents, it can cause liver failure. There's tons of problems with alcohol, and frankly, I don't even necessarily think it should advertised on television. But it is a better societal lubricant than cannabis, which essentially just puts people in rooms, in their basements, watching tv. Right. Cannabis enhances sensation. So, yes, there's an idea of, oh, I'm going to go to a concert and smoke a little pot, and it'll make the music sort of sound more intense to me. But really that's just an individual's experience. It is not really enhancing socialization in the way that alcohol does.
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A
So.
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C
So, yeah, I think. Look, I don't. There are going to be people who smoke pot, okay? There's going to be people who like the effect that THC has on. There's people who like the effect that cocaine has on them. There are people who like the effect that, you know, heroin has on them, and there are people who take risks. And even if those drugs are illegal, there's going to be some as they should be. There's going to be some people who use them. That's not the question. The question is, as a society, do we want to encourage the use of cannabis and have a big legalized industry that's promoting this? And I think we are seeing more and more that the answer to that question is no. And for people who say, well, then you should prohibit alcohol, too, I'd say again, alcohol is much more commonly used by people casually. It doesn't have this sort of. I mean, yes, there are alcoholics, but there's. Alcohol is more embedded in the fabric of human society and has been for a really long time than cannabis.
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A
Yeah, Western civilization was built with a lot of people drinking wine. Ask anybody who is the church. Wine is part of a lot of important things. So I think there's a whole different set of. Of situation or set of facts to address there. Alex, we got to leave it there. But people should go subscribe to your substack and send all of your all of your rage tweets and emails about weed for the cannabis users out there.
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C
At Alex me with it. I'm used to it. You might want. By the way, guys, you know, if you're, if you're interested in this, people should read tell your children and see how strong the science really is. I'm not. I mean, I'm promoting a book, but it's important for people to understand that.
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A
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