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This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human. Welcome everybody, to the Wednesday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show. Appreciate you all being here with us. Clay is out today. He is doing fancy things at Mar A Lago, Trump's Southern White House, if you will. The Southern Command for the Trump administration. And he'll be back with us tomorrow. He sends you all his warmest regards, of course. So it's just gonna be me today, which is interesting timing because Manufacturing Delusion is my book and it came out yesterday and already, my friends, it is rocketing up the charts because of all of you. I am deeply gratified, grateful and humbled. But I need those of you who are hearing this for the first time or have been busy or haven't had a chance yet. Get your copy. I am in a head to head struggle with anti Trump lunatic Meacham, who now used to write history books, now writes books about how Trump is destroying the Republic. So yeah, we have to beat him. Have to beat the big lib offering this week and I need your help to do it. Otherwise the smug Morning Joe table will be high fiving him for the number one New York Times bestseller next week. We cannot allow that. We cannot have it. I need you to mount up. Get a copy of Manufacturing Delusion. It is, as people are finding when I talk to them in various interviews about the book, very topical. It is about political madness. The Democrat Party, I would argue, has been seized by political madness for years now. They are, in fact, in the grips of continuous but shifting mass hysteria. Sometimes it's climate change, sometimes it's blm, sometimes it's Covid. Some. And, and this is something. And obviously the transgender issue and the transgender mass shootings that we've seen the last week bring this to the forefront. It is time that we call this what it is. It is mass delusion. And it is only possible because there are tactics of mind control that are being deployed against these individuals. And then en masse, they all come together and this is what ends up happening. So this is why Manufacturing Delusion is such an important book. And I really need you to go get a copy of it today. And I am going to shamelessly plug it throughout the show because I wrote it, I care about it, it matters. Also some cool CIA stories in there and stuff from the NYPD when I was there. So things I've never written about or talked about before. Even if you've listened to me for 15 years, there are things in this book, some reminiscences that I have. That you will have never heard or, you know, I've never talked about before. And yeah, some. Some stuff I did in Iraq, which you may find really interesting. Some stuff I did in Afghanistan. So go get your copy today. All right, now, I said mass delusion in the grip of mass delusion. Democrats, that is certainly the case for them. And we get Mamdaniism already on full display. Now. I get that for a lot of you, there's going to be this feeling of schadenfreude. You're going to feel like, you know, New York voted for this. New York gets what it deserves. This is obviously Clay's point of view on this. And this is something that you think doesn't concern you. Here's why I think it does. It concerns all of us in the same way that Venezuela is a cautionary tale as a nation state for the rest of the world. When you put social justice above actual justice and private property rights and capitalism and individual, individual rights, all this. The situation in New York City is unfortunately, I think, going to be something of a lesson for the rest of the country. And what happens when you put a totally unqualified individual in charge of America's premier city? And what are the sorts of things that he does as a result? This is not somebody with any history of management experience. This is not somebody with any policy expertise per se. He knows how to sound charming to people while he tells them, while he tells the ignorant and the resentful what they want to hear and smiles while he does it. And that was apparently enough, enough to become mayor of New York. Now, you might point out that's more than de Blasio brought to the table, who was just a Democrat machine thug. And it's more than Eric Adams brought to the table, who tried to make the city better but really failed. I think it was, at best treading water on most issues. He did say the right things on immigration. And of course, the Democrats turned on him because he did not want his city to become a refugee camp, which is what was happening in New York City. But Mamdani, as we all warned that this would be what starts to happen, and this is just the early stages of this. He gave a press conference where he announced that he is going to raise taxes. You know what? I'll let you hear it from Kami Mamdani himself. This is cut one. Play it.
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At heart of this path is a property tax increase. This would effectively be a tax on working and middle class New Yorkers who have a median income of $122,000. The second path also requires us to raid our reserves. It would mean withdrawing $980 million for from our city's rainy day fund in fiscal year 2026 and $229 million from the Retiree Health Benefit Trust in fiscal year 2027. These are steps that have been taken before, but only in moments of extraordinary external crisis. Mayor Bloomberg's response to the 2008 financial collapse and Mayor de Blasio's response to the enormous revenue shortfall caused by the pandemic. We do not want to have to turn to such drastic measures to balance our budget.
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He doesn't want to get to drastic measures. Hold on a second. Hold on a second. Mamdani. Mamdani has proposed a preliminary budget of $127 billion for New York City. $127 billion. The entire state of Florida, in which I live, has a budget of $117 billion. So New York City, 8.5 million people. Florida, 21 million people. And Mamdani wants to spend more taxpayer dollars on New York City than my entire now home state is going to pay for everything. Everything in the. Every line item in its budget. And this is just completely insane. This is completely nuts. And it put it in the context for you of how nuts Is this $127 billion budget? You know what the budget was in 2021? High. But in New York City, the budget was $88 billion. We're talking about roughly a 50% budget increase in five. Let's call it six years. In six years, a 50% budget increase for New York City, which was already a massive and bloated budget. Now, there are going to be many lessons, but I pulled the numbers here for you. In 2021, it was 88 billion. In 22, it was 98 billion. In 23, it was 101 billion. In 24 was 106 billion. In 25, it was 112 billion. In 26, it was 115 billion. 120. He wants to jack it up. 12 billion in one year. In one year from where it's already been sky high. There's so much here. My friends and I know we have a lot of listeners in New York. We have fantastic W O R radio listeners. And many people listen on podcast and however they. They listen to the show. And my family lives in Manhattan still. Half of my family. And there are unfortunately a lot of us that sit around and just say, well, of course this is what's happening. We knew this was going to happen. But it's still crazy to watch it unfold this way. New York City's budget, 40% of it, 40% is going to go to the Department of Education. New York City's public school system is awful overall. There are some exceptions, there are some elite schools. And the overall New York City school system is awful. The overall spending per pupil is above what a vast majority of private schools across America in the same grade year would cost. I mean, I team pull for me what the, what the per pupil spending is going to be under this budget. I can't do the math in my head, but I'm sure it's going to be in the $30,000 range, maybe $25,000, something like that, which is just insane. 26% of this budget is going to go to social services. A lot of that's just kind of welfare stuff. So you're paying for a massive education bureaucracy that fails and a welfare state. And that is what you get for being in New York City. That is why you have maybe second only. Although with this, with the tax hike that he's, he's talking about here, it might be more. It's either this place or California. I think actually state and local with New York City is worse than any state and local burden you get in California without taking property taxes into account. So I'd have to do a side by side comparison. But you're, you're paying absolutely egregious taxes in New York so that you can have a failing education bureaucracy and a massive welfare state. And a welfare state that let's remember, was estimated to be spending $14 billion a couple of years ago on illegals, on newly arrived illegals alone in the New York City budget. There are so many lessons from this and so many things that we can take from this. But a few, a few that come to mind right away. It's never enough money. Whatever the Mamdanis of the world, whatever Kami Mamdani and his progressive left wing lunatic base, whatever they want this year from the taxpayer to take. Remember they don't ask, they take this from you with the force of the state. If you don't pay, they'll take your business, they'll take your house, they'll take you to prison. You have to pay this year whatever they want. And then next year it will somehow be more because they say so next year it's going to be more. And sure enough, it's a burden. Oh wow. It's going to fall on, on middle class people too. Oh, how many times must we learn the lesson how many times. But this is where you get to the other part of it, which is there also this kind of fiscal policy, this kind of spending, this approach to government that Mamdani has, which is the same for a lot of Democrats in a lot of cities and even states. The state of California is run with the ideology of New York City. It's the same thing. Gavin Newsom and Mamdani really see things the same way. They pander to the takers by scapegoating the makers. They tell people who have resentment for whatever their financial situation is, it's because of those rich fat cats who aren't paying enough. The fat cats, meanwhile, are paying without the top 1% of earners in New York City. The whole, the whole thing is preposterous. Like, you lose 50% of the revenue. 1% is paying 50%, but that's not enough. And the failures of, not just the failures that will come from this tax policy, but the implementation failures that you will see, meaning schools aren't going to get better, streets aren't going to get safer. The free bus thing is never going to happen. I mean, all these different things, it will be blamed on the people who are paying the taxes that are never enough and that will be wasted by these communist fools. It's. It's inevitable. It's inevitable. But remember, communism is a religion. Leftist progressive political thought is a religion replacement. It is, in fact a civil or civic religion, if you will. It is their view of themselves. This. They will do things that make people poorer, that hurt the city overall. Because they say, and this was also Obama, it's the right thing to do. They have to pay more in taxes because it's the right thing to do. If there's less, if there's less money that comes into the government coffers, if the flight of high earners hurts the budget even more, fine. It's the right thing to do, they will say, because it's about envy and resentment and spreading the frustration of some people out and targeting others with it. It's just neo Marxism. That's what this is. It's neo Marxism. It's not going to bring down the price of anyone's apartment. The people who believe that are ignoramuses. He's not going to bring down costs. He's going to raise costs. Just like we knew what they were going to do in Venezuela when the idiot government seized private property, seized factories, set prices. Guess what? They couldn't make washing machines at half the price that they were being Sold before the government seized the washing machine factories. What a shock. The lesson is not yet learned. They will never learn the lesson though, because they don't care. They don't care. 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Use promo code Buck for 20% off your next pair of sheets. But so many of their products, you're going to love. Go check them out today. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. Mic drops. That never sounded so good. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back in everybody to the second hour of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show. We have the FCC Commissioner Brendan Carr with us now. Commissioner, appreciate you being with us.
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Yeah, great to be with you. Good to be back.
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Can you just walk us through this a little bit? Cause there's been, there's all this stuff in the, in the news now, headlines, some, some sniping back and forth over this. So there was a Texas Democrat, state Rep. James Talarico, Stephen Colbert, and now the FCC's name is being thrown around and all this, what is this controversy? Can you lay out for us, like what the, what the assertions have been and what the reality is surrounding this.
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There's so many layers to this. It's really an interesting story. At one level, this is a story about why trust in mainstream traditional media is at an all time low. Because for any person that is not suffering from sort of a terminal case of Trump derangement syndrome was so obvious from the get go what was happening here, which was that Colbert and Talarico concocted a scheme to try to drive views and clicks and donations and apparently votes by claiming falsely that the government had somehow censored their program. And what happened was the truth came out and CBS said no. In fact, nobody, not even cbs, prohibited Colbert from running the interview that he wanted. They simply said, hey, if you're going to do this, there's ways you can do this that complies with equal time requirements and we encourage you apparently to do that. But instead of doing that, they did that sort of meme where you take the stick and poke it through your own front wheel of your bicycle and fall down and claim that you're the victim for abuse. It was pretty interesting to watch the arc of this story between mainstream fake news reporters falling for this hoax that was really about Democrat and Democrat violence was about a politician trying to get leg up in the Democratic Senate primary. It fell apart once the facts started coming to light.
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Here is a media analyst on cnn. I've never heard of this guy before, Bill Carter. I wanted to play this sound bite and then, and then have you just, just react, just tell us what's accurate, what's not here. This is cut 13. Play it. There are many TV shows which as you pointed out, makes this even more strange because if CBS was in a different situation than that they are in and they wanted to fight this, they could have gone to the court and said how can you put this rule on us and not radio? They're doing the, and there's, and there's thousands of stations that are conservative talk radio, and there's no way that they would enforce the rule against them. So it does seem like selective regulation against them. So I'm surprised that maybe ABC will do that if they go after Kimmel again. But frankly, I just think that it's embarrassing. It really is embarrassing to me that you have Trump reacting to this small cadre of critics. Every president has been criticized by late night tv and only this one wants the sick as FCC on them. Sick his FCC on them. He says, what's really going on here?
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Well, he stepped back. There's a rule that's been on the books. In fact, it's a statute going back to the 1950s that says if you're going to put a legally qualified candidate for office on broadcast radio or tv. So he's wrong there does it does apply to radio as well. Then you have to offer comparable time and placement to other legally qualified candidates. And over the last 20 or 30 years, people have misread or overread SEC case law, and they've just assumed that everything from the View to Colbert is bonafide news. Because if you're bona fide news, you don't have to comply with the equal time requirement. And all we've done is remind people that if you think you're bona fide news, meaning not fake news, then come to us and we will adjudicate whether you qualify for the exception. But other than that, you got to comply with equal time. And why did Congress do this? It's pretty simple. They didn't want establishment media gatekeepers deciding who will win elections. They wanted the actual people in the voters to decide it. So they said you can't take your broadcast facilities and put your thumb on the scale for one particular candidate. And if you do that, you've got to open your facilities up to the other candidates. So it's about more speech. And this idea that this was somehow Trump censoring people makes no sense at all. Had they applied and complied with equal time rule, it would have been more airtime for more Democrats to say more of whatever they wanted to say about Trump or anybody else. But again, they just decided to run this hoax, that this was about censorship, because they knew that most of the mainstream media would have this comply with their priors and they would run the story. And it, you know, the facts simply weren't there.
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Well, this seems to be a replay at Some level of the, of the Kimmel playbook where they claim victim and they, they act like there's been this terrible wrong done to some Democrat mouthpiece in the media. And then they get a boost in ratings, they get all this attention, and they have, you know, idiot celebrities who are standing with them in solidarity. So I guess it worked for them in that case. And so they're trying to just replay this for attention and for clicks.
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That's right. This seems to be the exact playbook. It's the same thing we saw with Kimmel, which is just nothing but projection and distortion. And what's so amazing for a media, for an observer of the media here was this episode where this politician, the Democrat Senate primary in Texas, put out a tweet, I think, before daylight on the east coast, claiming that he was censored by the Trump administration when no one here had anything to do with it. And then within minutes, hours, the entire mainstream media apparatus just turned on a dime like a school of fish or a bunch of lemmings. And it just reveals the cartel nature of so much of the national news media. And then later in the day, the facts came out and said, that's not what happened at all. And then they say, well, the narrative shifts, like, well, the administration must be so awful that we were fooled by this, that we thought this could possibly have taken place. There's no reflection. I mean, these journalists are fed total slop by these candidates and they've got no problem regurgitating it. And when they're called out for it, they seem to be happy that they were part and parcel of another hoax.
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We're speaking to FCC Commissioner Brendan Carr right now. And Commissioner, what. What enforcement actions, if any, do you either are underway have been taken or do you think may be taken when. When it pertains to the equal time rule? I mean, is. It's one thing to have a rule, it's another thing to enforce it. Is there a likelihood that the fcc, if people continue to completely ignore this, will do something?
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Yeah, absolutely. Look, we already have enforcement action underway with respect to Disney and the View. Disney apparently is taking the position that the View is bona fide news and therefore doesn't have to comply with the equal time provisions. We've already taken enforcement action there. We've begun our enforcement process, and we're going to see that through to the end. And we're going to expect all the broadcasters to comply with these provisions. If they don't like it, that's okay. They can go to Congress and try to change it. Or they can turn in their license. They can simply broadcast this content over a streaming service or a cable channel, because those are not subject to this requirements, just broadcast TV and radio. But we're going to insist on people complying with the law as passed by Congress. Again, broadcast is just fundamentally different than any other means of distribution of programming. And I get that people don't understand that because you just see a screen and you don't know that it is cable. Is it streaming? Is it broadcast?
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Can you actually, I think. Not to interrupt you, Commissioner, but I think this is important. People, what does fall. You've mentioned this, but what and why do certain things fall under FCC rules that. And you mentioned cable, for example, does not. What is that distinction? Where does that come from? I just think that's important background for people to have.
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It really is. So in order to broadcast, that means you're using the public airwaves. That's a finite natural resource. And you get a license by the government to use a particular channel. When the government gives you a license, they're necessarily excluding the other people from having the ability to use that spectrum for their own viewpoint. So if you are on a podcast or a cable channel or a soapbox, the government isn't excluding anybody. Everybody has a right basically to stand up a business and do that. And so when you're on a podcast, all you have to look out for is your own viewpoints, your own partisan politics, whatever you want. But if you have a license, the government says you must stand in the shoes effectively of. Of people that were denied that microphone. And so you have an obligation to operate with what we call is in the public interest, not in some narrow partisan interest, which would be perfectly fine on a cable program or a streaming service or podcast, but broadcast is a license by the government. It means we've excluded other people. And it means you have to operate as sort of a public trust model. That's the bargain that you. That you agree to to get free access to this valuable public resource of the airwaves.
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I don't even have cable tv, Commissioner, so I'm kind of out of the loop on some of these things. But when it comes to broadcast television, are a lot of people. Isn't that like how. Remember the old TVs, they had the antlers, the antennas on top, and that. Would. Are people watching CBS via the broadcast, or is it digital? How does that work? Just the technology of it. I'm curious about.
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There's a small percentage of people that still get their Broadcast tv, as he would say, over the air through the old rabbit ears that we used to have to tune when we were kids. But a lot of people get it, obviously through their cable service as well. And the rules and regulations effectively apply to broadcast over cable to the extent that that cable channel is the same programming that you would get over the year. But it also highlights why I think it's important to enforce these rules, which is there are so many other different ways of getting programming out there. So if you don't want these rules and requirements, go to cable, go to streaming, go to YouTube. But if you want to distribute to this one particular unique medium, then you got to comply with the rules and regulations that apply to it. And again, over the years, the FCC had simply walked away from enforcing that. And I don't. I don't think we're better off for that.
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Can I ask, would it fall under your remit at the fcc, these spam texters? Is the. Can you fix this, Commissioner? This is something like, you know, go ahead.
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We are. We are. We are working on this. Most of the coverage of the SEC has to do with our media regulation policy because it likes to talk about the media. But we have a really significant work stream going on, what we call illegal robocalls. And we're tapping the issue at every single portion of the lifecycle. We're making it harder for bad actors to get phone numbers. We're making it really harder for foreign call centers to deliver traffic here, even legitimate foreign call centers. Like if United has a call center in Guatemala. We are looking at additional regulations to compel them to disclose that this is a call center outside the U.S. not one inside the U.S. and so we're doing a lot of work. It's not just us, it's ftc, it's state attorney generals. We're all working to try to crack down on this robocall problem. We're making some progress, but obviously we're a ways off from mission accomplished on that.
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Well, it's just good to know someone's on it because it drives me, and I think a lot of people listening with us right now drives them nuts. And it's so. It's such a time waster. It also opens the door to a lot of elder fraud because people just assume, I got a call, a number showed up. You know, the person sounds nice and legitimate, and they're actually from, you know, my. Whatever company or my credit card company. And of course, you know, turns out that it's. It's a scam. So cutting down on this, I just think across the board, by the way, I think that's probably like a 95. There aren't that many issues in politics, but I think cutting down on spam calls, any and you know, you know, robocalls is a way to make the FCC very, very popular.
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Yeah, you're right. And we're going to be continuing to ramp up our efforts here because we're seeing increasingly, to your point, elder fraud, where people are impersonating banks. You see it with direct messages to people through Facebook. They either claim to be businesses or people. It is a rampant vector right now for fraud. I think almost everybody either has, you know, a parent or a friend or a neighbor that's been victimized through either these impersonation calls or Facebook dms. And I do think you're going to see us continue to ramp up our effort to crack down on that.
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FCC Commissioner Carr, appreciate you really explaining in detail what's going on here, setting the record straight. And please come back anytime.
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Yeah, appreciate it. Good to be with you.
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We're just talking about elder fraud using text messages and using these different things that are out there. It's all over the place. It's really bad. I was talking the FCC commissioner about this and you want to be protected from this, my friends, to the greatest possible degree, which is why you got to get Lifelock. I've had Lifelock for years. And look, there's so much out there. Your data can get exposed, hackers can get access to your stuff, spoofers, spammers, all of this. But for example, there's a government contractor called Conduent. They process medical billing. One of the latest companies to admit a large scale data breach. So their data was exposed for three months, then the breach was discovered. So 25 million Americans had their health insurance info exposed. A lot of them are living in live in Texas, by the way. Cyberhackers got a hold of names, Social Security numbers, medical data, health insurance info. Look, you just want to be protected. You want someone watching your back. Online, the digital scams are everywhere and endless. You need someone to have your back. That's where LifeLock comes in. Easy to help protect yourself with LifeLock, join now. Save 40% off your first year with promo code BUCK. Call 1-800-LIFELOCK. That's 1-800-LIFelock. Or go online to lifelock.com and use promo code BUCK for 40% off. You don't know what you don't know, right? But you could on the Sunday, hang with Clay and Buck Podcast welcome back into Clay and Buck. Want to take your talk backs and your calls, my friends, and also remind you that Chip Roy is going to join us in a third hour. We're going to do a politics policy nerd deep dive into the SAVE act, into the partial government shutdown, the demands about ICE from the Democrats. Like you're going to know more from the conversation we're going to have with Congressman, Congressman Roy than anyone who's going on TV over at Ms. Now, that's for darn sure talking and spouting off about it. So I really want to get, get into that because those are, those are important issues, obviously the integrity of our election, something this administration still very energized by and focused on for obvious reasons, really does matter. And I think that the American people need to know where the two sides, Democrat and Republican, fall on this issue. So we will, I promise you we'll get into some real, real policy stuff on that one. You know, Chip Roy knows, knows the ins and outs on that. And we have Talkback A. Let's hit it.
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This is David in Hendersonville, Tennessee. Wanted to thank you all for carrying on after rush. Back in 2021, I lost two of the most important people in my life.
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Rushlane Vaughn, my mother.
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So thank you all for carrying on and take care.
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Well, David in Tennessee, thank you so much for listening and condolences on your losses there. And yes, we all lost Rush five years ago yesterday. A voice that brought us all so much, so much comfort was a friend. Also. I just can't give a better answer than this. Whenever someone asked me, they say, how did you, how do you know you wanted to do talk radio and how did you learn how to do talk radio? And the answer, the real answer is just listening to Rush. It's how I learned, it's how I know or how I knew that I wanted to do it. So there was, yeah, it was. That's when someone has had that profound an effect on your life. As I sit here now doing radio for a living. Yeah, of course, you think back to it and the team, by the way, that is with us here, that pulled together a tribute for Rush that you could listen to yesterday. I know many of you did. So some of them have been, were with rush for over 20 years. So you want to talk about someone that they remember in the fondest terms and had the most profound impact on their lives. The team that's still running this show today was with Rush for 20. Most of them were with Rush for 20 plus years. So we got all your emails and all of your feedback on our remembrance of Rush yesterday. And we really do appreciate it. And we, every year, you know, every year we'll take that moment to say thank you for what he did and for the role that he played in so many of our lives as a trusted voice and a trusted friend and obviously a patriot for this country, someone who did so much good. Now we have, like I said, we have Chip Roy coming up in the third hour. I want to get into this, the issue of where things are going with trans surgeries and the liability that now is emerging for those who have done surgery on minors. This is having a real effect. And there's some breaking news that is coming out about this that I want to address. 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If you have a local bookstore, call them and see if they have it because that's great. We love to support our local bookstores. Otherwise, you know how to get it online. The audiobook, I read it and it is my voice. It is me reading the whole thing. So hopefully you like my voice if you're listening to the show and you will enjoy listening to the audiobook as well. The. The book is doing well so far. I'm very sanguine about these things. You know, there's probably some, you know, some children's book about like a non binary polar bear that's going to, you know, rocket to the. Whatever the point is, for a political book, it's doing well and we have to beat Meacham's book because he's a smug lib who trashes Trump on msnbc. And there's a chapter in the book, though, where I get into what, what I was talking about yesterday a bit, which is menticide. And menticide is obviously killing of the brain, coined by Joost Meerloo, who was a psychiatrist and in the Second World War worked at, well, really debriefed Nazi prisoners of war and came to understand very much the Nazi. He did counter propaganda for the Allies. Meerloo was a. He was Dutch and then as part of that was debriefing Nazis and learned about their propaganda efforts. But he came up with menticide, mental annihilation, the murder of the mind. And the ways that you achieve this and confusion and degradation, again are the twin pillars. If you're going to simplify it down, confusion and degradation are essential. Now, there are a lot of ways to confuse people, a lot of ways to degrade people. You can confuse people by putting them in extreme isolation and bombarding them or with. With noise, music, sounds. There's all these different things that you can do or you can just be in a society where you are constantly bombarded with lies. Fire. Fire hose of falsehood, it is called. It's actually a term taken from a Rand Rand study on this. And these are the ways that you can get people to believe crazy things. And it's not quite Pavlov's Dogs, which we start out with. And Pavlov wasn't working on brainwashing, he was working on the brain body connection. Right, what, what can your brain process? Whether it's Sight, sound, what. What does your brain process in that way that then has actual physiological effect? And this is where we get the saliva, salivary reflex of dogs that had come to associate a metronome or a buzzer, not a bell, with feeding time. And unfortunately, if you're a dog lover, you'll find out that Pavlov was quite rough with some of the dogs. Some of the. Some of the animal. Let's just say that there was no PETA. Some of this. Anyway, I won't get into this, but the point is this is he was very much interested in the digestion of dogs and, and this was all to understand better how this works in the higher order creatures, human beings. But it turns out that even though there were some lessons from it, it's also really complicated. Some dogs are, as anyone knows now, he wasn't training dogs. Pavlov would have never said he was training dogs. He was exploring this brain, body connection. And this is when nobody else really was doing this. So it was revolutionary work at the time. He was doing this, of course, before we knew what DNA was. He was doing this before the rise of widespread antibiotics. I mean, this was early. It was really turn of the 20th century and then the early 1920s, 1930s, when he was doing a lot of this work. And what you find is that each individual animal, again working with dogs here, had its own circuitry. And so some of them were much easier to get certain training through to, or certain reflexes. It was actually conditional reflex in the original Russian. It wasn't just, you know, we think of this as like Pavlov and conditioning and conditioned, conditioned reflex. It was conditional reflex. And that's what he was looking at, the reflex of the brain into the body and how these things affect each other. So that was a revolutionary, as I said, revolutionary scientific discovery at the time. But always there was this, well, hold on. It works better with some dogs than others because they're not machines, just like we're not machines. We actually aren't machines. And our circuitry, our underlying biochemistry, our soul, these things take us out of the realm of science into something else, right? Something that can't yet be fully understood by charts and tables and data and beakers and Bunsen burners and all of this. Now, that's worth noting because for each and every one of us, there's going to be different approaches that we have to be particularly mindful of and different things that will work on us. And we are in a society now that is, we are more bombarded with information than Any other era of the human species by far, it is not even close. And, you know, this is true. We carry around in our pocket. I carry more knowledge with my smartphone, or at least access to more knowledge than existed in the, you know, the Great Library of Alexandria. I mean, there's. There's just. It's endless. But also because particularly of social media, there's a feeding and refeeding into the system, and we have to become aware of how this is affecting our circuitry. Again, we use the. When we talk about ourselves, we use the language of. Of electronics and robotics. But of course, as I said, there's something different about us, too. And even Pavlov noted that there's something that you can't just account for with experiments, charts and tables. We are all different. We're all unique. You might even say we're all created in God's image. And therefore there's something very special and unable to be charted on a graph about each and every one of us. But this is where I turn to. How is it that we became a society with more knowledge, more advanced knowledge than anyone else before us, with discoveries and with computation and analysis? Truly unfathomable, even, I don't know, a hundred years before, even in the time, certainly the earlier days of Pavlov's research. And yet we are a society that has allowed children to have genital mutilation surgery in the furtherance of a mass hysteria, which is this transgender stuff. Something that is increasingly. And this is also why, you'll note, it is getting more desperate and more violent as an ideology, as it more clearly fails in every respect, which is often the case. Right? People can become most dangerous when they feel they're cornered and they have nothing to lose. This ideology, this transgenderism, that became a true culture, really a sort of mind virus that was spreading very rapidly, and it occurred in the 21st century overwhelmingly and really in the last 10 to 10 to 15 years is when this gained tremendous momentum. We're now seeing the pushback against this. A pushback against this mass hysteria. But I think that the way that we were able to get there. Oh, the news story I should tell you, the breaking news on this is that NYU Langone hospital system has said that because of the current regulatory environment, it will discontinue its gender medicine program for minors. This is a massive step forward. This is enormous. This goes to show you that just a few years ago, there were people who were saying, it's never going to change. This is here to stay. There was a. There was A sense, even among people, I think, who recognized how wrong this was, there was a sense that this could be with us forever because the medical associations and big medicine and the hospitals and all this were pushing this and believed that somehow this was giving people care. And now. And now this is something that I think is going very clearly in the other direction. Here you go. This is. And someone in an interview, the Manhattan borough president, Brad Holly Hoyleman Siegel, it's a Manhattan borough president, not a doctor, said it was his understanding NYU Langone would no longer provide hormone treatment and other gender related care to transgender youth. Mr. Hoyleman Siegel said he was worried that some of NYU Langone's transgender patients would struggle to find doctors willing to continue their care. I'm horrified at the consequences. It's crucial they find alternative care. They deserve care. They should get care, psychiatric care. You are not a woman because you think you're a woman. That is not reality. That is not real. You can never become a woman. There is no surgery that can effectuate that it is not reality. And that medicine entered the. And you know I'm right, you know, as I say those words, what I am saying is true. And the other side cannot defeat that truth. Everything they say is an obfuscation or an evasion or an emotional manipulation. But the fundamental truth that you cannot be some other gender, you cannot be the other, because you deem it or wish it or insist on it being so. That reality is emerging right now in a way that I think is, I hope, going to continue with a momentum to stop this. Because at this point, it's just, you're saving young people from ruining their lives. I mean, every day that these systems are shut down or every day that they. This is horrible, the stuff that they are doing. And to do this kind of thing under the guise of medicine, it's such a betrayal of the Hippocratic oath, such a betrayal of medical ethics. It's very obvious. And this is why when you start to ask people say, how do you fight against the manufacturing of delusions? When you ask honest questions, you should get answers or honest answers from people who are trying to push a certain point of view or push a policy. If all they want to do is shout you down and bully you, there's a problem. You know, you've established something with that. And for as long as there has been this transgender, really psychological contagion, this phenomenon, as long as this has been ascendant in this country, it has been clear that if you ask questions about this, the people who push it don't want to answer your questions. And they want you to shut up or else. And they will hurt you. They will hurt your career. As we've seen. They'll do more than just hurt your career. There is something obviously of the radical in these individuals. There is a sense that this is not something they're willing to discuss. Really. What other area of medicine are they, are we not able to have a conversation about, hey, what are the long term prospects for this? What are the failure rates? What are the complications? I can ask any doctor in America that about a knee surgery and they're, you know, if they're a decent doctor, they'll sit down and they'll talk to me. But if I want to get, you know, you know how many times I've tried to get a transgender doctor in the past to come on a show and explain the procedure and what's possible. It's not. They won't do it. They won't do it. Why not? Oh, because, you know, you're mean and you're right wing. No, I actually really want to know. I want people to know the reality of this that NYU Langone is. And I just. These Democrats too are saying, oh, where are they going to get care? You mean where are teenage girls going to find a doctor that's willing to surgically remove their breasts because they're going through a psychiatric disorder? Hopefully nowhere, because it's not going to turn out well for them. And if it was going to turn out well for them, by the way, don't you think we would all have the long term data and the studies? They just say that we don't have these things. We don't have these studies. They do some observational study they run. It's just like with COVID They just try to smother you with credentialed nonsense and hope that you shut up and stop asking the obvious questions. They want you to be a part of. Of the manufactured delusion. Get the book. This is now. This is current. This really matters. Power outages are happening with greater frequency across our country. And weather disruptions are one reason why wildfire preparation is another. 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