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Clay Travis
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show podcast. Welcome in Monday edition Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We just keep stacking wins. Lots to dive into, so let's start with the fun. By the way, we got a loaded show. David Sacks AI czar of the new Trump administration will join us at the bottom of this hour. Multi billionaire venture capital investor, brilliant guy, lots to talk about with him. He'll be on with us in this hour. Second hour, we're gonna talk with Mae Mailman. She's inside of the Trump White House. She's going to talk about the big blow up that happened in the final hour, during the final hour of the show on Friday when the governor of Maine said she would be suing Donald Trump over men being allowed to continue to play in women's sports. But then also lots of spice surrounding it. May was there. She's going to come on and tell us all about it. Plus, there's a viral story that I'm told is not true, which we'll talk about in more detail. But some of you may have seen a report that the Philadelphia Eagles had rejected a White House invite. They are the super bowl champions. You'll remember. Trump certainly cheered at the Super Bowl. Many of those people in attendance were Eagle fans. I'm told by the White House that there has not been an official offer extended to the Eagles and that there has been no rejection, that that was fake news. We'll get into that maybe a little bit with May. And then the new head of the epa, Lee Zeldin, former congressman from New York, nearly beat Kathy hochul in the 2022 governor's race. All of that coming in your direction during the course of today's show. But Buck, yesterday I woke up on Sunday morning, rolled over to check and see what the news of the day was. And there was joy in the Twitter streets. MSNBC far left wing moron host Joy Reid fired, her show canceled as NBC MSNBC panics as no one is watching their network in the wake of Trump's electoral victory in November. And Buck, before we play, some of the best moments of Joy Reid. To me, the biggest takeaway, and I'm curious what your takeaway here would be, was in the wake of 2017 when Trump came into office, being anti Trump and a part of the resistance was great for the New York Times, the Washington Post, cnn, msnbc, NBC, cbs, abc, all of their audiences skyrocketed as they bought into the hardcore Trump resistance. But so far, as we sit over a month into the Trump era, there is no rush to support. There is no democracy dies in darkness equivalent. The resistance, as you and I have talked about, is actually sad. We watched the resistance march through the streets of D.C. the culture appears to have been has shifted and the business imperatives to be able to make money are vastly different. And that to me is the underlying foundation of why Joy Reid got fired. Certainly if there were money to be made, I think MSNBC would have continued to cash the checks. But she's an embarrassment. She's a moron. Her show was not good. And the profitability of that show has declined, which I think is the signature takeaway of the big picture here.
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May Mailman
You also have the step down of Lester Holt from NBC, which was just announced before we came on the air. This is part of the ongoing, I wouldn't say shake up, I would say reckoning that the Democrat aligned media is going through right now. Because even if you were somebody who liked Joy Reid and we gotta get, we got a montage coming here. We need a montage. Even if you're somebody who likes Joy Reid or you're an MSNBC watcher, you do, I would think, live in reality enough that you can understand that everything they told you that was going to happen did not happen. That all the promises that they made were broken.
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David Sacks
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May Mailman
And that apparently they know nothing about American politics or the American electorate or the justice system or the prospects of Donald Trump. All of the above. Right. If you were relying on these people to tell you what the American future was going to look like, you are wildly disappointed right now. And more than that, I think people are seeing their ideology that hasn't been really tested in the public sphere. Tested in ways and not just tested mocked. It's being mocked. And Joy Reid, I'll say this, you know, there's always the little part of me and I'm sure you have the same thing, Clay, do you celebrate when somebody loses a job? She's made millions of dollars. She's not poor. She's going to get a job somewhere else. Ok. This isn't celebrating when like the factory closes and guys work in the assembly line, don't have a paycheck to pay their. Okay. Because you know, the libs love the, they celebrate whenever anyone on the right loses their job. But then when someone like Joy Reid loses her show, we're supposed to go, oh, don't ever celebrate somebody else's loss. She's a multimillionaire. She's going to be taken care of. She'll get paid lots of money to do nothing somewhere else. Okay? It's, she's going to be fine. That, that's one thing that I wanted to get out there because now we're about to really have some fun and dive into Joy Reid's Great. You ready for this, Clay? Strap in everybody.
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Clay Travis
I can't wait to hear it. I have not heard this yet. I was waiting to be able to experience it with all of you. This is producer Greg's work, right? Let's give him the big producer.
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May Mailman
Greg put on a. Put on a beret. The artiste has gone to work here. He pulled it together. He edited over the weekend. Cut four. Hit it.
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Joy Reid
We do have a fascist groundswell in parts of this country, mainly among white men. He called himself big, Big B A L L S. That's what he calls himself. It was the Nazi era on Twitter that is back and Elon's doing it. Twitter now is useless to me if people like me are leaving. I don't know how Twitter survives. Trump has two daddies, Putin and Elon Musk. A far right dictatorial regime like Hitler's Germany or Franco's Spain or Mussolini's Italy. Vice President Kamala Debbie Harris, she's about to make history. She's about to become the first woman president. An historic, flawlessly run campaign she had. Queen Latifah never endorses anyone. Keep hit throughout the White House. Hitler, White House. We keeping them out. Restoring the name Fort Bragg. Sure looks like an attempt to resegregate the military extremist right wing fascist type government in Florida. It's a right wing fantasy land like Disney World. But in hell, come to Florida, the meanest place on earth. The racist tomahawk chop. The gesture and chant promoting stereotypes, caricatures and frankly hatred of Native American people. Sports commentator turned right wing political commentator Clay Travis called for Trump supporters in New York City to tried to get seated on the jury and then refused to convict. That is openly encouraging jury tampering. Similarities to what happened in Germany and what's happening now in America are just undeniable. History may not repeat verbatim, but it sure does rhyme.
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May Mailman
Oh, great. That you got. You got a shout out there in that montage. What is your favorite of the Joy Reid isms? I still think the greatest. I mean, a lot of, you know, Nazis and I don't like white Republicans and all that, but to me, Kamala ran a flawless campaign because TIFA endorsed her. Is the. Is the greatest thing Joy Reid has ever said on TV after she lost.
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Clay Travis
That's her Mona Lisa. That's. That's the one that I think her. Her entire repertoire really kind of comes back to over and over again. In fact, here, that is if that was part of the montage. But it's cut seven. And remember, Joy Reid, during the course of election night on msnbc. And let me. Before we play that, let me also point this out. Buck, you said, hey, she's going to continue to make money. She's going to go elsewhere. Here is what I would say in general. Have you seen anyone upset that her show was canceled? Imagine that you have the opportunity, the luxury, the privilege to talk to millions of people every night to come into their home. And when you lose your job, no one cares because there is no one that is actually a fan of you. This is what's happened with Don Lemon. This is what has happened with Jim Acosta. This is now what is happening with Joy Reid. Whatever you think about Tucker, whatever you think about Bill O'Reilly, when their shows ended on Fox News, people were really upset that they were no longer there. And those guys have been able to have careers elsewhere. Piers Morgan, Megyn Kelly, there are people who talk to you on television that develop a connection and a relationship to such an extent that you can continue with them and you'll follow them wherever they go. I like to think, Buck, if one day you or I weren't on this show and we were like, hey, we're going to go do X or Y, that a lot of you would be like, hey, I want to go see what you're going to do somewhere else because we have a relationship with all of you. Joy doesn't have any audience. I didn't see anybody complaining about her being fired. There was a mass exaltation, and it's because of moronic takes like this. Kamala Harris, whatever you want to say, according to Joy Reid, she really did run a flawless campaign. She got endorsed by Queen Latifah and Beyonce and Taylor Swift. That was the entirety of her argument of how flawless the campaign was. Listening.
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Joy Reid
This really was an historic, flawlessly run campaign she had. Queen Latifah never endorses anyone she came out and endorsed. You know, I mean, she had every prominent celebrity voice. She had the Taylor Swifties. The Swifties. She had the Beehive. Like, you could not have run a better campaign in that short period of time. And I think that's still true.
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Clay Travis
I mean, I don't even know that there's anyone on the Kamala campaign buck that would say Kamala ran a flawless campaign.
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May Mailman
Joy Reid views it as solidarity with a black female presidential candidate. And she's just going to say that Kamala was awesome no matter what Kamala did, and that that's what her job was essentially on msnbc, to say whatever the left wing wanted her to say at Any point in time. There's also often a real nastiness in her commentary. You know, there was a, there was a glee in anybody in Trump world, by the way, J6 people getting locked up, having their lives ruined. Not a nice person. I mean, I have, I don't think she has any talent. I think she's a DEI hire, I think, and I think everybody at MSNBC knew that. And I think that everything about the media that we saw engaging in this kind of commentary before Trump's win proves that they have no honesty, they have no intellectual curiosity, they don't really know anything. And it's a good thing that there has finally been a walk away from this. Now. There will be other left wing voices that grow in some ways, right? The oldest, what is it?
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Clay Travis
The oldest aphorism.
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May Mailman
A crisis is an opportunity for people on the left right now we talk about the politicians, for commentators as well. For someone to come forward and be able to appeal to the left who has not been essentially mauled, you know, hasn't had their credibility fed into the wood chipper by the Trump machine just completely running them over. That's, I think, an opportunity. But we'll see who that is. Because right now there's not even a. We talk about this. It'd be, there's some things I know you've been doing Piers Morgan, which looks like fun. That's a left right show though, right? And Pierce refereeing. There's not a left wing show. I mean, I don't think, because I don't even think Bill Maher is a left wing show. And I agree on that. There's not a left wing show that I would go on right now because there's nobody that I care to speak to from the left who's worth the, worth the effort, worth the problem that's. Or, you know, the, the irritation.
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Clay Travis
I would like to go on the View. I would like to go on the View because of the carnage that would ensue. Not because I respect their intelligence or the quality of their show, which is on some level what you're saying, but just because the Jerry Springer like nature of the appearance would go so viral.
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May Mailman
Do you think that, do you think they would come at you, do you think they would come at you right away? Or would they try to pretend like they're going to be respectful of the guest?
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Clay Travis
You know, I mean, I bet every single person listening to us right now would watch me going on the View and I wouldn't hold back. I wouldn't tiptoe up to Anything, I.
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May Mailman
Would argue with them. But I'm. I, I, if, you know, I 10. I tend to err on the side of polite, at least in the beginning. Clay would just start throwing bombs right away. Clay. Clay is throwing bombs. I would be like, pardon me, ladies, we're having an exchange of ideas here. Clay would just be like, shut your faces. You know, he'd get right into it.
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Clay Travis
I react to the vibe under which I am talked to, but also, I have no filter, and that can be good and bad, but it means that, you know, like the University of Chicago thing that I did, that went mega viral. I wasn't planning to say the exact phraseology that I was, but when she cut me off, for instance, and said, oh, but Trump's a grandpa, it's like, well, I'm gonna react to that. Or when they said, if you watch that clip, oh, Trump's an awful father. And I'm like, actually, his five kids have a great deal of affection for him. I mean, there are lots of things you can attack people for, but when I see them as being completely dishonest, I can't hold back. I just naturally react. I think it would be one of the most viral moments in the View history if they had me on. I don't think they would have me on Buck, because I actually think it would go well for me and poorly for them, but actually, they should. Right.
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May Mailman
I'll tell you, I don't know if you've ever been three or four on one before. I've done it many times back in the day, CNN and other places. It's very hard because people talk over you and you have so little time to talk. And then what they do is they accuse you of interrupting them while they're interrupting you. And you know this. It's. So, yes, it would be interesting. It would be good television. But I'm just. I'm telling you, it would turn into. It would turn into a melee very fast. Point being, though, there's nobody on the left who you'd want to sit down with and say, let's have a real exchange of. Let's have a real exchange of ideas here. Like, let's really get into the meat, the substance of the debates in this country right now. We'll come into this. Come back into this in a second. We haven't even mentioned yet, Clay, some of the phenomenal Doge stuff that is underway. No doubt they want to get into, which I'm excited about. You know, more eyes are on the economy these days, especially after Friday's report on consumer confidence. There was nearly a 2% drop on the Dow Jones. In times like these, you want to prepare now before things get rocky out there. And that's where there's real value in owning gold. That's part of your portfolio. It's a stable, solid investment. And whether you choose to place your gold investment in your Savings account or 401k, Birch Gold can help you do that. Today. The value of gold has increased substantially in recent years. You can take a look for yourself and just check the price of gold and you'll see, especially over the past year or so. Gold prevails in large part because it's a limited commodity and with all that inflation out there, it is a store of value. That's a hedge against that continuing inflation chipping away at your savings. I've been an investor in gold for years and I just recently purchased more myself for my own private holdings from the Birch Gold Group. Birch Gold Group also just released a new study on how gold will fare in the Trump era with a forward by Donald Trump Jr. To get your free copy along with Birch Gold's free information kit, text my name Buck to the number 989898 or go online to birchgold.com Buck again, text my name Buck to the Number 989898 or go online to Birchcold.com Buck for your free copy of the Ultimate Guide for Gold in the Trump Era.
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Clay Travis
So, anyway, David, big news. Apple announcing they're going to invest $500 billion, 20,000 jobs. You are plugged in with the overall universe of tech better than almost anybody. How would you assess the first month of the Trump administration, and what do you see and hear from people in your universe as they are coming to grips with the new Trump term? How excited are they? What do they expect? What do they want? What do they need?
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David Sacks
Well, I think the first 30 days has just been incredible. I mean, really across the board. I mean, the President has just begun the term with so much energy, so much action, so many executive orders. It's been a total sea change. I mean, just outside of economics and AI and tech for a second, I mean, the president's basically solved the border crisis within days. Biden, for the last year of his term, pretended that he needed congressional action to do that, and this was somehow a problem that was just unsolvable. And President Trump comes in there, and within days, he's basically solved the border crisis. It's just incredible. And so many other things are like that. And so I would say there's an overall feeling in the country right now that we can actually change things, we can do things. I mean, the government seemed to be this unfixable, you know, problem, just basically this bureaucracy that can never get anything done. And we just have to live with a border crisis. We just have to live with a $2 trillion deficit. And now you see that Doge is going line by line through the budget, identifying the waste and fraud to eliminate that. So I think there's just, in general, this can do attitude, and I think that with respect to tech, it applies to that as well. I mean, the President has promised that we're going to be rescinding regulations, unnecessary regulations, for every new regulation, I think an agency has to propose something like 10 more to eliminate, which shouldn't be hard just given the sheer number of regulations that we have. So I think in general, there's just a very optimistic attitude. And I think even in liberal Silicon Valley, there is, I would say, almost like a begrudging appreciation for what President Trump is doing. And you saw at the inauguration, the leaders of all the major Tech companies were there. It's a very different attitude than I think in 2016, where, you know, I think a lot of parts of Silicon Valley saw themselves as part of the resistance. Now, I think they're, I think they're fairly positive about the Trump administration. They may not all be saying that publicly, but I think they know that on the whole, it's going to be much better for business than the Biden administration.
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May Mailman
David, it's Buck, appreciate you making the time for us on the, on the issue of AI got a lot of attention recently because of that moment where everyone freaked out about Deep Seek and is China going to get ahead of us? And without getting into the weeds on that, I just wanted to know, what do you think the strategic vision is for the Trump administration to stay ahead of China when it comes to AI, which obviously has enormous implications for the economy, but even for things like defense and, and beyond. So how do we make sure that we stay ahead of China, and what's that strategy look like?
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David Sacks
Well, the President has been really clear that we just have to win the AI race. America has to maintain its global leadership and even dominance is a word that the President has used. And in his first week, he signed an executive order stating that the goal of the administration was to win the AI race and maintain our global dominance in AI. And you're right about why. I mean, AI, I think, is the most profound and significant new technology I think it will be, you know, of this decade. I think it's a little bit like the Internet was in the late 90s, but maybe even more important than that, it's going to have huge economic ramifications. And it's also a dual use technology, so it has military applications as well. If we lose the AI race to China, it's just hard to imagine America maintaining its leadership in the world as the most powerful country. So if you care about the balance of power and you want America to be number one, it's just really intolerable to think that we could lose this AI race. So I think the President understands that one of the things he did in his very first week was rescind this hundred page Biden eo That was a monstrosity of unnecessarily burdensome regulations and with a fair amount of regulatory capture in there by certain companies. And so he, you know, the President, I think, has a vision of allowing the tech ecosystem to compete and use that. Use that competition to spur us forward. At the same time, he's also identified certain critical enablers or building blocks of the technology that he's going to help unleash. And number one is energy. Because these new AI data centers consume vast amounts of energy, much more. You know, they're powered by GPUs as opposed to CPUs, and GPUs use a lot more electricity. So we, so it's, it's interesting. The AI race is very connected to the, to the energy program that the President has. And so one will fuel the other then. That's one of the major things that the President is doing now to make sure we win this race.
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Clay Travis
We're talking to David Sachs, AI crypto czar, part of the Trump administration. You've known Elon Musk for a long time. Elon voted for Joe Biden in 2020, I believe he voted for Hillary in 2016. He didn't endorse Trump officially until July, in the immediate aftermath of the assassination attempt in Butler. When you see Elon being attacked as some sort of far right wing zealot for trying to find fraud and waste in the federal government, what is your reaction? As somebody that's had a long personal relationship with Elon, would you have ever believed that he would be being attacked as a right wing zealot?
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David Sacks
No. And I think you're right. This goes back a long time. Elon was politically neutral for the longest time, but he leaned left or leaned Democrat. I think he voted for Obama and I think at one point he voted. I think he voted for Biden or said he did, and I think that's public knowledge. But the Biden administration did everything possible to alienate him. And it all started where, I think at the beginning of the Biden administration, they held an EV summit at the White House. And you know, Biden didn't invite Elon, who created Tesla, which is by far the most successful electric vehicle company in the world and is the sole reason that we have an EV revolution and why the United States is a player in EVs, as opposed to it all being China or some other country. And not only was he not invited, Biden then goes up there and gives credit to Mary Barra for creating the EV revolution, when you know, what she did at GM was a total failure. And that was just pure cronyism for Biden. I mean, that was the whole pattern of the Biden administration is making life harder for entrepreneurs and then rewarding their supporters and cronies. And, you know, that was just the beginning. It got much worse after that when Elon bought Twitter and restored to a free speech platform. That's when the left really declared war on him. Let's just be clear about that. I mean, Elon was a darling of the left because again, he was responsible for bringing about the EV revolution, which in their view would help solve climate change. Whether you agree with that or not, that was their view. And it all changed once he bought Twitter because he wanted to restore free speech. And that's when they really came after him. And that's when you saw Biden say, we got to look at this guy, you know, from the White House podium. We need to investigate him. And then they brought a whole raft of ridiculous investigations and lawsuits. Tesla was investigated for building a glass house or something absurd like that. SpaceX, which has national security applications, was investigated for not hiring enough asylum seekers, which is to say illegal aliens, which they're not even allowed to do under, you know, itar, which is a national security law. So, you know, the Biden administration did everything they could to alienate Elon and then simultaneously just, you know, higher level. This is a feeling that was felt by people, by many people in Silicon Valley like Mark Andreessen, where they felt like the Biden administration was demonizing entrepreneurs and entrepreneurship. And, you know, these are all people, I mean, in Silicon Valley who started from a more liberal mindset. And they gradually got red pilled and moved Republican because frankly, the Democrats became socialists. I mean, they became communists, or at least the faction within the party that represents that hard left was in control of domestic policy. So I think that it's not just Elon, it's lots of people got red pilled, but, you know, they didn't set out to be, you know, they're not like right wingers. They just believe in allowing America to compete and allowing entrepreneurs to create new businesses. Socially, they tend to be pretty moderate or liberal, but the Democratic Party just became so hard left that they became toxic to anyone in the center.
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Clay Travis
David, I think that's such an interesting analysis. Buck and I were out to dinner with a couple of prominent business executives recently, and they said that, and I know you were a huge part of this, Elon. Firing 75 or 80% of Twitter's employees and actually ending up with a far more profitable business was something that tons of managers, tons of owners have thought about doing before. It seems to be the blueprint now for what he's trying to do for fraud and waste. How much fraud and waste do you think, based on what you've seen there is in our government expenditures and how important was the experience of going through those cuts at Twitter to Giving you an idea what to do here with the government.
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David Sacks
Yeah. You know, I was there at Twitter for the Twitter transition, and, I mean, it was really remarkable. So Elon did some really simple things, in hindsight, that you wonder why they'd never done before. So, you know, in a tech company, engineers are the lifeblood of the company. So Elon did something really simple. He just asked where. He looked at the code repository and just searched. How many engineers have actually written code checking code in the last several months? And something like only 50% of the engineers at Twitter were even writing code. And, you know, that's their sole output.
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May Mailman
If you're scooping ice cream for a living and you don't scoop any ice cream, that's a bad. That's a bad sign.
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David Sacks
It's very easy to measure this. Yeah, I mean, it's very. The output is very easily measured. And I, you know, I saw somebody, you know, I saw a former Twitter employee on MSNBC complaining about this, how draconian Elon was because she was required to, you know, do a test to prove that she could code. Well, sorry, the reason why that happened is because half the Twitter employees weren't checking in code. So then instead of just firing them, Elon gave them a chance to complete a code exercise to prove they actually could code. And if, you know, and if they weren't willing to prove that they could code and they hadn't actually checked in code, they got fired. I mean, it's just then they weren't doing the job there, and it wasn't clear that they were capable of doing the job.
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May Mailman
David, we're going to be coming into a hard break here in a second, so I just wanted to. I wanted to ask you one question that's crypto related. We're speaking to David Sachs, the crypto and aizar for the White House and venture capitalist. For a lot of people who don't own bitcoin and aren't necessarily involved in crypto, I think the question is. And I'll just give you. Sorry. A minute to explain this or so, why does crypto matter for everyone, for the country, for the economy, for the Trump administration? What is it that matters about this?
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David Sacks
Well, I think crypto represents a new type of digital platform, but for finance or for money, there's a few different components to it. You got bitcoin, which is a store of value. You've got stable coins, which are potentially a new kind of payment system. And then you've got just blockchains in general on which you can build new kinds of applications. And I think it's still very early to say what the innovation is going to be that comes from this, but it's a burgeoning area. It's a new kind of, you could call it, decentralized computing platform, and new kinds of financial applications can be written on it. And so it's just because it is, I think, a really interesting area of software. You just want that innovation happening in the United States. And I think that what the Biden administration was doing, they just literally declared war on crypto and they were doing everything in their power to kill the industry and they were driving all the entrepreneurship offshore. And, you know, I think what we want to do is allow the innovation to happen here in America so that it's the United States that ultimately benefits from these startups and the innovation that they will bring. And there's just no reason to kill this thing in the cradle. Consumer protection can be achieved by having sensible rules around what people are able to do. But keep in mind that the biggest fraud in the history of crypto, which was ftx, was offshore in the Bahamas. And that's what happens when you drive these companies offshore, is that it's hard to know the good ones from the bad ones. And so part of the reason why I think we want to allow crypto to happen in the US and to sort of to allow the entrepreneurs to do things onshore, is that it makes it easier for them to be supervised by regulators so that we can help sell the good ones from the bad ones.
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May Mailman
David Sacks, Crypto and AR Czar for the Trump White House. Sir, we're going to need you to come back and talk more about the future and amazing things if you would make the time for us. So thank you so much for coming on today.
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David Sacks
Anytime.
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May Mailman
Thank you, team. We'll be right back. We are excited to be joined for the first time today from the White House by May Mailman, Deputy Assistant to the President and Senior Policy Strategist May. Welcome to Clay and Buck. Thanks for. Thanks for calling in.
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Lee Zeldin
Hey, thanks for having me.
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May Mailman
So we saw something get a lot of attention over the weekend here, a little exchange between the leader of the free world, number 47, Donald J. Trump, President of the United States, and the Governor of Maine. We wanted everybody to hear how this exchange went, May, and then have your reaction to it and what we should expect is going to come from it. Play the clip.
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Buck Sexton
The NCAA has complied immediately, by the way. That's good.
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May Mailman
But I understand Maine is the Maine here. The governor of Maine Are you not.
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Buck Sexton
Going to comply with it?
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Clay Travis
I'm complying with state federal laws.
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Buck Sexton
Well, we are the federal law. Well, you better do it. You better do it because you're not going to get any federal funding at all if you don't. And by the way, your population, even.
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May Mailman
Though it's somewhat liberal, although I did.
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Buck Sexton
Very well there, your population doesn't want.
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May Mailman
Men playing in women's sports.
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Buck Sexton
So you better come, you better comply because otherwise you're not getting any, any federal funding. Every state. Good. I'll see you in court.
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May Mailman
I look forward to that.
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Buck Sexton
That should be a real easy one. And enjoy your life after, Governor, because I don't think you'll be in elected politics.
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May Mailman
President Trump not messing around there may. And he's not a man who's afraid of court either. What's going on here?
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Lee Zeldin
Yeah, well, Maine's governor is an idiot, I think is really how you can describe that, which is she wants to lose all of her federal funding in order to make sure that men win women's pole vaulting and can watch women shower. Like that's what this is about. And guess what? When she says she's going to comply with federal law, great. I've got a good one for her. It's called Title ix. And Title IX requires that women be given equal opportunities in education programs. Women cannot be given equal opportunities in education programs if they can't have women's sports. If you can only give. Here's your women's sports. Oh, also it has men in it. So you're not giving women sports at all. And you don't make men have to face unfair competition, only the women. And so that's not equal opportunity. And also by saying women cannot have privacy, dignity. And the women who you've talked to that have had to face this, their grades suffer, they get stomach ulcers, they don't use the bathroom, they don't use the locker rooms. Paul Scanlon at the University of Pennsylvania would run home after swimming completely soaking wet in Pennsylvania in winter. I mean, it's abusive to women. And that's what Maine's governor would like to do.
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Clay Travis
Okay, I wanna hit you with some facts, cuz I went on when this broke on Friday. 79% of Americans agree with President Trump here that men shouldn't be competing in women' that's according to The New York Times, 94% of Republicans, 67% though of Democrats as well, May, in addition to the legality that you just laid out, I think you're a Harvard Law grad kind of a, kind of an impressive thing. But also isn't the sheer public support for Trump in a state that was, as he said, relatively close? 5,245 was how that came down closely in Maine against Kamala and Trump won one of the electoral votes there. Isn't it crazy that Maine's governor and Democrats in general would pick this as the battleground based on what the general public thinks of this issue?
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Lee Zeldin
Yeah. On one hand I'm so glad they are because it like it solidifies their lack of existence as a serious political party. And on the other, it's really sad because, you know, it's harming women. But after the president Trump won the election, I think there was some in the Democrat parties, oh, you know, we need to be normal. Like, let's try and be a little bit more normal. And I said, no, I don't think they're going to be more normal because they can't. I mean, they're so committed to this stuff. The first page of their platform when they did their Democratic National Convention was a land acknowledgement saying they weren't really in Chicago. They were like in the ancestral homelands of the Okeshinabe tribe. That's where the Democrat Party is. And so of course, they are doubling and tripling down on women not having a right to women's sports. And I don't exactly know what's going to break them of this, but it's not going to be Seth Moulton from Massachusetts say, hey, can we be a little bit more normal? Because the core of the party, the core of the party really does believe this stuff. It's not like it's not what the American public believes, but like they believe it in their core that it is a good, it's a national good to have men and women's sports.
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May Mailman
We're speaking to Mae Mailman, deputy assistant to the president and senior policy strategist. She's calling us from the White House today. And may, I don't know if you saw this, but it goes right to what you're talking about. There was a, a clip in exchange between, I think it was one of the pod save guys, you know, those like left wing Obama era guys. And Bill Maher. It's definitely Bill Maher. So it's a Democrat and Bill Maher. And he says essentially if you guys don't stop with this gender transition for minors stuff, you're going to lose every election for the foreseeable future. And what's fascinating is the Democrat again, I forget the Guy's name is like horrified by this idea and thinks, oh no, we have to double, double and triple down on gender transitions for minors.
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Lee Zeldin
Yeah, this is the thing. So Maine's governor is no leader. She is a follower and she is following her party. And so when Letitia James says all of the hospitals in New York are going to continue to mutilate minors, Mutilate and castrate minors. When California says this, when Minnesota says this, you know, Janet Mills just wants to be part of the cool kids club. But it's pretty pathetic because the Democrat party doesn't actually have a leader. And so all of these people who are trying to be woke, like, who are you showing off for? Chuck Schumer? I mean, who's the leader of the Democratic Party aoc? Who's actually making decisions? There's nobody. And so who's making decisions? It's like the liberal professors on Blue Sky. It's like the people who used to censor us on Twitter. That's who's leading the Democratic Party is nobody. It's a mob. It's a mob of woke idiots who are overeducated, sitting in their parents basement. And so that's a real problem that the Democrats have to respond to. It's the pod save guys getting everybody worked up. But that victim culture of, oh my God, this is terrible. This is terrible. You know, we need more men in women's sports. It is a lack of leadership in the Democrat Party. And I don't actually see a leader emerging who's normal.
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Clay Travis
We're talking, we appreciate her calling in from the White House right now. Mae Mailman, you just were talking about the experience on Friday. There is a report that I believe it was the chief of staff or one of the main governor's associates that was outraged by the president's interaction with the main governor. Did you see that? I'm sure you saw the reporting on it. What was the vibe in the room after the interaction?
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Lee Zeldin
Like, okay, so this is hilarious but also so telling. So yeah, this the governor's meeting, which was on Friday, 46 governors. This is a bipartisan event. We're talking about a super bipartisan issue which is no men and women's sports. And of course then the governor of Maine stands up and says, I'm going to sue you, basically. And yeah, it was tense in the room. It was crazy. I mean, the president has invited you into his home and here you are acting intransigent and also on such an unpopular issue. So the next morning at 9:00am the Chiefs of Staff come in to ask any questions that they'd like to the White House staff. And one of the White House staffers, great guy, Alex Meyer, really nice kid. And the main chief of staff comes up and says, you know, I hate you. Basically, I want to do all this women's sports. And we said, no, you got to save women's sports for women. And he said, f you, you asshole, and stormed out of the room. So this is the childish behavior of the state of Maine, is screaming that you're an a hole to the head of intergovernmental affairs at the White House and marching out.
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Clay Travis
So this is crazy to me. I appreciate you sharing this story because I've heard it happen. But I mean, for the governor of Maine, again, this is a state that Trump won an electoral vote from, and I would imagine an overwhelming number, because we took calls on Friday from Maine residents actually agree with the president here. That's kind of a crazy thing for the chief of staff to be doing, right? I mean, from any state in the White House, I think. But to react like this to something that the overwhelming majority of your citizens would support has to be kind of staggering, even to you.
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Lee Zeldin
Yeah, I mean, this is a total activist. So he's a former Planned Parenthood staffer. Just activism is very much in his DNA. And Alex Meyer in the White House said that this guy had his full speech prepared. He wanted to make a name for himself. And so you know what? You do have a name for yourself now. You're known as an unhinged lunatic who's screaming at random White House staffers. But you know who wasn't surprised was the Republicans in the state of Maine who came up right after this story broke and said, we've been dealing with this guy forever. So this chief of staff for the state of Maine basically treats himself as a mini governor and has been lording over all the people of Maine being totally impossible to work with. And apparently, even after he had stormed out of the room, which was totally for theatrics, he still really needed to stay in the room because he wanted to touch base with people. He. He might have had some more questions. And so he actually just lurked outside the room. So he stormed off, and instead of going anywhere, he just stayed out, like right outside the room.
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May Mailman
May, did you have any idea when you signed up to work in this White house that the first 60 day, first 30 days, rather, going on 60 now, was going to be just such a blizzard of activity?
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Lee Zeldin
So I did and I didn't. So I was here all four years last time, and it was busy. The first 100 days were busy, but it was nothing like this. And I didn't do transition during Trump 1.0, but I did transition this time. And so I can tell you, I kind of knew because we were preparing all the executive orders and I could tell it was going to be busy. But one thing that I didn't anticipate is the first time we'd sign a lot of things, they would say a lot of words and then it would be like pulling teeth trying to get people to actually do them. And there was a lot of disagreement. And now we'll sign something and people implement them way more aggressively than I even wrote them. I'm like, oh, wow, you didn't need to do it. The implementation has been night and day different. So it keeps us all on our toes. It's a lot of work, but I think part of it is everybody's inspired, very inspirational by the last four years of basically crisis in this country. And so people are working at a different pace.
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Clay Travis
May, we'll have you on again soon. Love you with the insider stories here. Keep fighting the good fight and appreciate the time.
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Lee Zeldin
All right, thanks for having me.
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Clay Travis
That's May Melman and Buck, that story.
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Joy Reid
Wow.
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Clay Travis
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Clay Travis
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. We're rolling through the Monday edition of the program. Encouragement you to all go subscribe to the podcast Clay Travis. You can search out my name. You can search out Buck Sexton Numbers came out recently ranking podcast audiences and the show was one of the three or four most listened to podcasts in all of politics according to those rankings. I shared them last week and that's a credit to you guys, because Obviously we're on 500 stations nationwide and all 50 states. And we appreciate all of you out there listening, both in the United States and, frankly, around the world and on podcasts. So thanks to everybody out there. We're joined now by the new head of the epa. He is Lee Zeldin. And, Lee, we appreciate the time. We know you've been diving into how the money is being spent at the epa, and you are already uncovering some, frankly, buried secrets that don't have a lot to do with the environment or protection. What can you tell us about what you found so far?
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Buck Sexton
Great to be with you guys. Yes. Tens of billions of dollars. When I was going through my Senate confirmation process, there was this video that came out, I'm sure both of you guys saw, where the Biden EPA political appointee was talking about how they were throwing gold bars off the Titanic. Says it multiple times in the video, talks about how he's trying to, that they are trying to get themselves jobs at the recipient NGOs. And the senators I was meeting with at the time were asking for me to commit, which was a pretty easy commitment for me to make, that once I was confirmed, I would come in and try to find these gold bars. Well, it didn't take us much time to start finding all sorts of waste and abuse. I canceled a $50 million grant to the Climate Justice Alliance. They say that Climate justice runs through a Free Palestine. Canceled about 90 grants working with DOGE towards DEI and environmental justice. That's totaling over 125, $127 million. Cancel over a million dollars worth of media subscriptions where the agency was getting ripped off, having to pay too much. And the biggest one was a $20 billion pot of money parked at a bank outside of government. A rush job at the end of the Biden administration to offload tens of billions of dollars, all going to eight pass through NGOs, one of which was Stacey Abrams, NGO, which received $2 billion, even though they only received $100 in 2023, $5 billion went to the former employer of the director of the Greenhouse Gas Reduction Fund. And a story out this morning of somebody who was involved in the council to design this, this plan. And this pot of money got $20 million for their organization that they work at, even though that organization over the last few years only raised in total just over 2 million. So there's a lot there with regards to that pot of $20 billion. We're not done. It's wild how much waste we've ID'd. And I'll just give you one more. There was $160 million sent to a Canadian electric vehicle school bus company as part of the clean School bus program. They then declared bankruptcy. They still haven't delivered on $95 million worth of school buses for 55 school districts. Yes, the Biden EPA gave them all $160 million up front and then they declared bankruptcy without performing on most of the contract. We are going to end the waste and abuse at the EPA.
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May Mailman
You know, Mr. Administrator. I was going to say Mr. Secretary, but administrator of the EPA. Lee, explain how this works in just the most simple layman's terms, because we're hearing this stuff. So the EPA gives out grants, millions and millions of dollars to whatever organization some people in the EPA decide should get that money to do whatever. Like, like how does that actually go? And what kind of oversight is there on this? I mean, you're finding this, this obvious abuse and fraud. But I'm just wondering, how is the process, Is it really just as simple as the EPA says? Oh, we like this climate change group of lunatics. We're going to give them, you know, 50 million bucks.
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Buck Sexton
That's pretty much how it worked out. And a lot of self dealing, a lot of conflicts of interest. And it's also a lie to the American public. When you talk about terms like environmental justice or climate change and you define them in a way that appeals to the masses, like for example, with environmental justice, you say that there's some community that has been left behind and they need assistance to deal with this pressing environmental issue. Yeah, there are a lot of people, conservatives, moderates, liberals, say like, oh wow, this community is in need. They don't have access to clean air, land or water. What can we do to assist? But here's the problem. In the name of environmental justice, they'll then give $50 million to an organization as a left wing advocacy group that's talking about how climate justice runs through Gaza. They'll talk about climate change in a way that appeals to the masses. And then in the name of climate change, they'll advance policies that would bankrupt our country if we did everything. It will raise the rates for energy costs. It will eliminate choice to the point where the people who get hurt the most are the ones who can least afford it. The President has been outspoken on this. His words have been criticized when he's used the term climate change hoax, what he's been talking about, I've heard him mention it a few times where it was in my presence When I've heard him talk about it, he's talking about how there are people who said that the world was imminently about to end. This was a few years ago. I'm sure both of you guys remember this, that we were just a few years away from the end of time, and that we had to pass this green New deal that would cost tens of trillions of dollars if we did everything in this plan. And in the name of climate change, there's this willingness to cause extreme economic pain for the people who can at least afford it. And it's wrong. And he wants to stop that. And he's right. Lee.
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Clay Travis
So much is changing. It feels like, in terms of the President's just endorsing basic common sense, and you're talking about fraud and abuse. In the epa. You ran for governor against Kathy Hochul. One of the areas that seems to be moving most aggressively towards sanity, I would say, is the New York, New Jersey area. What do you think the first 30 days has done to advance that ball? Moving more and more towards sanity? We know New York, for instance, was more competitive than Texas or California were in the national election, which stuns people. And the Trump team feels like if they'd had a little bit more money, they could have flipped New Jersey. What's really going on here? What are you seeing as a guy who's been in politics for a while and is now a part of this administration?
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Buck Sexton
Top issues for Americans of all walks of life are related to the economy and crime and public safety. They care about the illegal immigration at the border. And President Trump and his first month in office has been working to make tremendous progress on all of that. And we see it with the efforts of ICE and the Department of Homeland Security. And he didn't waste any time. It was something that started on day one. If you are illegally in the country and you're the worst of the worst, we need to be doing everything in our power to get you out of the country and. And making sure that we are actually securing our border. And we're sending a message to those who haven't come yet, they might have been on their way to come illegally into the country, that there's a process, and if you want to break the law, you're not welcome here. And that message, I think, goes a long way inside of some of these cities where people have experienced the secondary effects of these policies, impacts on crime, budgets, health care, education, housing, and more. And that progress is something that I think a lot of Americans are saying, thank God. On another front on the energy front, President Trump just signed on, signed his executive order for National Energy Dominance Council, which I'm serving on along with Secretary Wright at the Department of Energy and Doug Burgum at the Department of Interior. And there's a big pipeline project called Constitution Pipeline that would transport natural gas across many states in the Northeast. And if you're a New Yorker, where they ban the safe extraction of natural gas, where they are on the pace towards banning the sale of gas powered vehicles, where they do not allow gas hookups to new construction, and they are talking about offshore wind as if that is the replacement for baseload energy. Closing Indian Point, not getting new nuclear on site, opportunities to, to have more air data centers, but those require energy too. It's just night and day when you look at where we were not that long ago and where we are since President Trump was sworn into office. And here's the thing, we're not, we're not a month in saying our work is done here and now we're going to start coasting. We're just getting started. This is, this is just the beginning of what I believe too is a golden age of American success. Just like President Trump talks about.
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May Mailman
Mr. Administrator, I wanted to ask you about that to close us out here, which is right now. We've seen whether it's what you're doing at the EPA and obviously Doge government wide under President Trump's approval is getting rid of the waste. Right? The waste is bad. What are the EPA priorities under this Trump administration that are action for the environment or that are things that actually touch on what the, what the mission of your agency is supposed to be other than not paying a lot of money to left wing climate lunatics? Like what are some of the things you're going to try to get done as EPA administrator as long as you're in that role that Trump wants you to pursue?
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Buck Sexton
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May Mailman
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