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Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show podcast.
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Welcome everybody to the Tuesday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. The audio phenomenon continues. Thank you for being here with us. We have so much to dive into. Doge doing its thing. The cuts are coming. The cuts are coming fast and furious. The federal leviathan is feeling the heat. This is all very good stuff. Some things and I have to hat tip Chris Ruffo for this that have been found from within the intelligence community. An internal but company remember not like private time. An internal chat thread that Chris Ruffo has gotten access to from within the ic so we have our own classified now this is unclassified information but we do there there's ways obviously you can talk to people in the building at Langley and you can, you know, we're sending classified emails, classified text messages, those sorts of things. There was some kind of a thread set up for the LGBTQIA plus plus members of the intelligence community. And some of the things that were said are very troubling and make you think that there are activist weirdos who have infiltrated the intelligence community in the hundreds at least, which is. And that's just what we can see. So we shall discuss that a little bit. And I think actually a producer, Ali, why don't we put out an ask to Chris Rufos if he wants to come on and discuss, because I can add a little. He's never been in the CIA, so I could kind of look at what he's got and give a sense as to what I think is going on here. We've also got, like I said, Doge, what they're doing the gender madness. Bill Maher asking one of the pod save bros. Hey, if you think the state should be able to hide gender dysphoria or dysmorphia or whatever they want to call it this week from parents, you're in a bad spot because the American people are not with you. I think that's a really interesting discussion. David Hogg, Clay, who would definitely benefit from some chalk. Like, we should get that guy. I don't know if they can do chalk intravenously, but this guy needs some chalk from our, our friends there. But anyway, David Hogg talking about Biden's mental decline and how it was hidden from everybody. I think that's really interesting. But for those of us who are taking stock of where the Democrats are at this moment in time, unburdened by what has been. MSNBC is unburdened by the Joy Reid show at this stage. And now she's very, she's very upset. I will tell you this. Clay and I are both nice. Like, we are both nice people. Clay. Clay is a little. Can be a little, little. A little saltier, a little sassier sometimes or faster to be salty, I would say. Is that fair? Am I, I don't want to speak for you, but you're you. You like a good scrap online, you.
Buck Sexton
Know, I do don't. I don't like the way I will describe it is I try to be super nice to everybody, but the minute that someone is unkind to me, I flip pretty quickly. Right.
Jim Jordan
Like, I think that's fair.
Buck Sexton
That's. Yes. Yeah.
Jim Jordan
Clay. Clay has. Clay has two speeds. Chill with everybody or nuclear war. Basically. I think that's.
Buck Sexton
That's somewhat accurate.
Jim Jordan
Like, I go more force, escalation. I'm like, are you really intending to be so rude? Like, everybody. Clay is just like nuke, boom, gone.
Buck Sexton
So it's accurate. Yeah, that's accurate.
Jim Jordan
Yeah, that's how it goes. I, I, I, I, I pay attention now with Joy Reid. She has spent years being quite nasty to people on the right. I think she has an animus to certain people that comes out in her commentary. And now she wants sympathy. This is cut to and Clay, you can react to it. Here we go. Joy Reid. Very sad that she's no longer getting paid millions of dollars to be horrible at her job. Play 2.
Joy Reid
My show had value and that.
Jim Jordan
What.
Joy Reid
I was doing had value. Had value. And in the end, I'm sorry. I try not to cry on tv, so I apologize. In the end, where I land is that the moment of guilt that I felt that I went hard on so many issues, whether it was the Black Lives Matter issues of a young baby or a mom or a dad that was killed or that Nikole Hannah Jones put into our spirit, that we need to understand 16, 19 as the real founding of this country, whether it's talking about Gaza and the fact that we as the American people to have a right to object to little babies being bombed. And where I come down on that is I'm not sorry.
Jim Jordan
Are you sorry, Clay, for her?
Buck Sexton
No, I'm ecstatic. And I also love that she started to cry because I want her to be sad and I want her to recognize that the only reason she ever had a job was because her bosses are morons. And even when they recognized she was a moron, they were afraid to fire her because they were afraid that she would call them racist. And I think this is emblematic of how everything has fallen apart. How about Rachel Maddow? Buck, did you see this? She went on right after Joy Reid and said MSNBC is racist for firing Joy Reid. This is Rachel Maddow, buck, who makes $25 million a year to do one show a week. I know she's on for the first hundred days of Trump or whatever. Nobody seems to really care. She's lost her mojo. But listen to cut 3. This is how much of a disaster inside of MSNBC is. And Buck, I think you would agree with me on this. I'm not ever going to. And I don't think I ever have publicly taken shots at my employer on the air. I think it's super unprofessional. And I also think, like, you're not going to agree with everything that ever that ever happens to you at any job for Rachel Maddow, who I think has been treated more fairly by MSNBC than maybe anyone in our entire industry.
Jim Jordan
They made her. They made her a star. She's very replaceable. Yeah, they made her a superstar, paying her tens of millions of dollars and has absolutely zero gratitude. I'll tell you this. I have never turned on any employer that I have ever worked for publicly because I think it, with the exception of cnn, however, I was a contractor there for like, yeah, short period of time. And that was political. It wasn't that. I wasn't saying CNN, like, mistreated me as an employee. I was just like, they're out of their minds. They hate Trump and they're destroying the country. That's just the truth. But in terms of people that you've worked for, I think it shows a real character deficit, especially, especially when you've been elevated the way that Rachel Maddow has been in msnbc to turn around and say, oh, you know, look at what they're doing. But you know what this is, Clay, all the very overpaid white hosts in primetime at msnbc, they have to go above and beyond to make everyone understand how much they care about diversity, equity and inclusion.
Buck Sexton
And by the way, it's all bs because if she really thinks it's awful, then she should resign and she should insist that MSNBC replace her with a minority, a black woman in particular. But this was ra. Of course she's not going to do that because she wants her money and she also wants to tell everybody how holier than thou she is. But remember, Buck, was it Ronna McDaniel that got hired by NBC News and Rachel Maddow threw a fit and they ended up firing her? I think it was Ronna McDaniel. This is the. Not the first time we've seen a major flare up that has occurred inside of the community here. But here is Rachel Maddow saying, hey, basically Joy Reid got fired because she's black and msc MSNBC is racist.
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Jim Jordan
Oh, they're so racist. They're so racist all of a sudden. I got. I got a couple things for you on this, Clay. One is this is a reminder that as far as the left is concerned, the metrics don't matter when it comes to anything that involves race and dei. Her numbers are terrible. This is a business, right? She doesn't actually move the needle. It would be one thing, and it's a different thing if they had a situation where. Where Joy Reid's numbers were doing great, but they thought her, you know, Persona was too toxic for the current environment, which has happened to other hosts, by the way, at other networks, but whatever. And they push that person out. Right? That. That would be one thing. Her numbers are terrible. So objectively, she is failing at her job. TV is a brutal business. You and I know this. So is radio, by the way. You're not getting the numbers. Somebody else has to come along and do it. So that's part one. Part two for me is Matt makes what, $30 million a year?
Buck Sexton
Yeah, 25 million now. She got 30 million. They gave her a pay cut to do one day a week. They dropped her all the way down to 25. I don't know how she.
Jim Jordan
She should go. She should go to the execs at MSNBC and say. Because also, Joy reads this. This is one thing that I'll say is brutal about the particularly TV business. True in radio sometimes as well. But when the host goes, the staff goes. Yeah, the host. And I've. I've been present for when this happens. Like, I've been there when show is. I. I've been on a show that's been canceled before, and it's like when.
Buck Sexton
A head coach gets fired, too. The whole staff gets fired. Everybody goes.
Jim Jordan
So everybody goes. So she had probably 10 or. Oh, no, it was way more than that. It was some. I think I've seen. It's a few dozen staffers working on our show, and a lot of them are being. If not all of them, being let go. My point is merely if Rachel Maddow was so upset by this, she should have gone to them. She doesn't need any more money. She should go to them and say, guys, take 10 million out of my salary and cover Joy and her staff for another year. Give them another. She could do that. It wouldn't be hard. People have done that. In media before, they've taken. There have been actors who have taken huge pay cuts to pay, by the way, Keanu Reeves famously to pay the staff a lot more to, you know, the crew a lot more.
Buck Sexton
During COVID I bet you did this Buck. I mean everybody at iHeart took substantial cuts to. I know when in the sports department we did. There were no sports going on. I gave up. I don't remember what it was like a third of my salary in order to try to keep people from getting laid off. I think a lot of on air people did.
Jim Jordan
Yes. I mean that's, that's what you do for your people. Right. Because your people are necessary for the product that you're putting out and you have a loyalty to them and vice versa. So I just think it's interesting that Rachel Maddow here she is crying about this or well, not quite crying. That's Joy Reid. But whining about this. And it's completely within her power to have changed the situation. She could also just say, I'm going to fund. Why doesn't she fund Joy Reid? Joy Reid's next media venture. I'm sure it will be incredibly successful just telling white Republicans how awful and racist they are every day. I'm sure there's just a huge audience for that that she could tap into. So. Or really all Republicans, but particularly white Republicans. Joy Reid seems to have a big problem with. And that's, that's, I think the realities of the media environment right now, Clay reflecting the realities of the political environment that we're in, which is a different era and Trump is the new sheriff in town and there's no way around it.
Buck Sexton
Yeah. And we'll play some of the data because I think what you hit is so incredibly important. This ultimately comes down to dollars and cents in 2017 being virulently anti Trump made the Washington Post, the New York Times, msnbc, CNN and other media outlets tons of money. And so they leaned into that. What's happened so far in 2025 is the legacy media has been destroyed in the last eight years and their audience doesn't trust them anymore. And I the Megyn Kelly numbers and we'll play some of her diving into the actual number of people that are listening. We have more people in some cities listening to us right now on the radio and we're watching Joy Reid in age demos right now, which is pretty crazy.
Jim Jordan
We have single stations of the 500 stations that this show is currently carried on. I think it might be like, like 498 or something. But 500 stations, we have single. Single stations that are more listened to than the entire demo audience for Joy Reed's.
Buck Sexton
That's right.
Jim Jordan
Show. That is. That is actually a fact right now, which is pretty amazing. So we will dive into all this. I just another side note, but before I forget it, your point, Clay? And I think it is so clear now for everybody. A lot of these left wing, left wing media, because they had control, there was a saturation effect. Just so many places and so many. They're all saying the same thing and they're really not that talented or that interesting. You'll notice that when somebody on the right leaves the mothership, generally there's one mothership that they leave, but I leave. When somebody on the right leaves a big, you know, corporate TV place and goes off on their own, somehow they're very successful. That's very successful afterwards because they have an audience, they have a talent, they have a skill set. Democrats, if you don't go from MSNBC to CNN or you don't go from CNN to NPR or something like that, you got nothing. It's a whole different market.
Buck Sexton
Yeah, they have no actual audience of fans. And I think that is going to become very apparent to Joy Reed that she cannot replicate her multimillion dollar salary despite the fact she's had the luxury of coming into people's homes for years to convince them that they should like her. And they still have it.
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Buck Sexton
So steak is a cheat meal for you. How healthy are you now?
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That's unbelievable. Steak is pretty healthy. Like, doesn't have that many calories, Clay.
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When you throw the Burnett sauce in there, when you add in the baked potato with a little au gratin, when you maybe do the cream spinach, you know, when you say there's a way to do steak that. Anyway, we'll talk diet another day. Point being, tomorrow night I'm diving into rib eyes, my friend. I've already got them thawing in the fridge from Good Ranchers. Now there's a bunch of fancy steakhouses here in Miami that I could go to and spend. I mean, this is the truth. It's like $150 ahead at these steakhouses. It's crazy expensive. The steak that I make at home is better because of the quality of the meat that I have from good ranchers. Good ranchers. No antibiotics, no added hormones, no seed oils. Just the best tasting beef, chicken, salmon all raised by ranchers right here in the us. You're not going to find this in any supermarkets. They bring this delicious beef, chicken and fish right to your home via delivery. With good ranchers you can get this beef, chicken breast wild caught salmon for you can get this in every order for a year plus $25 off using my name Buck as your promo code when you go to goodranchers.com I'm telling you I've got a couple of ribeyes and they are going to be so juicy and delicious. I'm already looking forward to it. I'm gonna get my step count up a little bit today so tomorrow I can feast a little more. And the clay's point, the sides is really where you do the damage on the calories. But that's a, that's a conversation for another time. Love my cream spinach. What can I tell you? Good ranchers.com My friends, the meat is central. If you don't have top quality steak, you can't make a great steak. This is just the truth. You can try to cover it up with spices and sauce and whatever but with good ranchers you're just going to love that delicious meat. Go to goodranchers.com use my name Buck to save 25% off your purchase. That's goodranchers.com use code Buck for $25 off.
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We are joined now by our friend, Congressman Jim Jordan. Great state of Ohio. I don't know that we've talked to Jim since the Ohio State Buckeyes won the national championship. And so congratulations there. I know you didn't, uh, I, I know you've got connections to a variety of Big Ten schools over the years. We got a lot to get into with you But I wanted to start with this. I saw your House Judiciary Committee putting out news. Over 400,000 individual tax returns have been leaked, which is a staggering number. And we wanted to give you an opportunity to kind of explain to all of us how that happened, what's going on and what you expect to uncover going forward.
Clay Travis
But by one guy, Clay, who went to the IRS with the specific objective of leaking President Trump's tax return.
Jim Jordan
Wow.
Clay Travis
And as an. In that effort, 405,000, either businesses or individuals have their tax information in violation of Section 6103, something that we've dealt with in a long time and in time in Congress. But that information goes public and he gets charged with one count. One count should be 405,000. I mean, for goodness sake. And, you know, we hear so much about, oh, Elon Musk having access to sensitive information. Here was a contractor hired by the Biden administration who came in with a specific goal, accomplished that goal, and 405,000 other people also had their information public. And it just, I mean, it is, it's the irs. The same instinct, what they, you know, a dollars for 80,000 new people to come in there. And yet, oh, Elon Musk can't have access to this information where he's actually going to save taxpayers money. It's, it's so ridiculous. You know, this is the irs, though. This is big government. It's why, you know, God bless President Trump and the Doge effort, because I think they're, they're, they're highlighting how ridiculous some of these things in government really are.
Jim Jordan
Congressman Jordan, always appreciate you being with us. I'm sorry, I just want to make sure that I'm getting this right, because this is one of these things where it actually, it feels a little mind blowing, even given the stuff we've seen from the government. As bad as a lot of the bureaucracy stuff is, 400,000 tax returns were, were leaked. How do, how do we know this? And will those people be notified of this? It just seems like, yeah, the IRS is not.
Clay Travis
They are being notified. And, you know, that's the least we can do. But remember, this is the same irs. I mean, we just had Matt Taibi come and testify again two weeks ago. And if you remember, back In December of 2022, Matt Taibbi does one of the Twitter files, important Twitter file. The very day he releases that Twitter file, which just happened to be December 24, 2023, Christmas Eve, that very day, the IRS opens an investigation into his taxes. They open that very day. And then Two and a half months later, he's testifying in front of our committee. And while he's testifying, while Democrats are asking him to reveal sources, while they're saying he's a so called journalist, while they're attacking him, the IRS was knocking on his door. So should we be surprised that the Biden IRS is actually, you know, having somebody get inside there and release President Trump's tax return and a bunch of hundreds of thousands of other American entities as well? I mean, this is how ridiculous. This is why big government is bad. And what, what, what we're focused on, what President Trump campaigned on and Elon Musk is now implementing is so darn important.
Buck Sexton
Jim, I know there's a ton that you got, Clay.
Clay Travis
I'm just, by the way, with Matt Taibbi. The IRS actually owed him money, you think about. They're trying to intimidate him and it turned out they owed him. You can't make this stuff up.
Buck Sexton
So anyway, I think you know this. I mean, because you listen, Buck is being audited right now. I have been.
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Buck Sexton
I, I never was audited in my entire life until we took over this show. Every one of my tax returns since I started this show has been audited. One of them, Congressman, the IRS told me I owed $39.75. I mean, I don't know who. They've got $39.75.
Jim Jordan
You're lucky Doge didn't find you first, Clay. That $39.
Buck Sexton
I don't know who they got pouring through my tax returns, but I don't know how many people have ever gotten a back tax owed bill of 39.75, but I did.
Clay Travis
Yeah.
Buck Sexton
And so it's like, you know this when you look and you've met Elon and you've had the opportunity to interact with him. Can you believe that Democrats have decided that the Hill they want to die on is being aggressive to try to cut waste and spending is unacceptable? Some of this stuff I just can't believe is a real argument.
Clay Travis
No, I agree. And I caught you. I forget where I saw you doing an interview. You were making this point. No, I mean, instead of helping us stop the stupid spending, let's attack the guy who's exposing the stupid spending. Like what? That's your, that's your political position as a party. I mean, that's, that's the position you're going to take. And take that to the folks I get the privilege of representing in west central, north central Ohio Farmers and People who work in manufacturing and good, regular families. They're like, what are you talking about? I'd actually like for you to stop the stupid spending. Yeah, I don't get it. But if they want to do that, God bless them. We will keep, we'll keep talking about the crazy things that their tax money is being used for and working to stop it, working along with Elon Musk.
Jim Jordan
What are the most important things, Congressman Jordan, that you are looking to do and to get other members of Congress on board for? So much of what we've seen so far is obviously executive branch action stuff from the White House, from the Oval Office, President Trump, from Elon and others, you know, his Cabinet, various Cabinet secretaries. We haven't been, you know, it must be interesting. Congress isn't getting beat up over all this stuff. Right now. Congress is sort of on the side. It's evidence focused on the executive branch. What do you want to see the House do in order to assist in cleaning up all the stuff that's going on here? I mean, what's feasible and what's on the agenda?
Clay Travis
Well, I mean, first is reconciliation. I mean, we got a budget package that we're hoping to pass today. We're trying to round up the votes for that. But this, this budget resolution would allow us to, it sets the stage for us to cut taxes, cut spending, help with national defense and secure the border, which, you know, go figure. That sounds like we're being Republicans. It sounds like we're doing what we told the voters we're going to do. So that's, that's where primary focus is in the, in the Congress right now is getting this package moving so we can actually do via reconciliation, which is, you know, I'm sure you've talked to your listeners many times is just a fancy word for you don't need 60 votes in the Senate to do the things that you want to do when it relates to budgeting and spending. So that's what we're really focused. But we are going to have to codify some of the stuff that Elon Musk is identifying and understand. There's been efforts over the years to do. Citizens Against Government Waste and other fine organizations have highlighted some of this stuff over the years, the earmarks, the bridge to know where stupid things that money gets spent on. But there's never been this kind of intensity and focus and effort with the media attention on Elon Musk and President Trump campaigning on it and saying Elon is going to be the guy who ran Doge. That is what is new and I think dynamic and giving so much attention to this, which is needed, frankly, when you look at the trillion dollar deficits we're run and the $36 trillion debt that's now piled up. So that's, that's where we got to pull. At some point we're going to have to codify what, what he's, what Elon is identifying his team. But also we got to get this reconciliation package done.
Buck Sexton
I mentioned Ohio State off the top, obviously the vice president, Ohio State, Buckeye grad. I know he was happy to see that win over Notre Dame. You are also involved in addition to a billion other things going on, nil and college athletics, I think I saw coming across the line a little bit earlier today was that there's going to be a hearing surrounding that. Am I right? Where are we going? For people out there who are big college sports fans, what are you examining?
Clay Travis
Well, we're actually doing something that typically doesn't happen all that often on Capitol Hill. We're actually going to do hearings where we're trying to get information where there's not some predetermined outcome that we want some bill we want to pass or something we're trying to achieve. We just want to. Everyone loves college sports. We want them to be around. I watched the Oklahoma State, Iowa match on tape last night when I got home late. And we want, we love college sports and most people it's football, basketball, but there's so many other sports. We want to make sure they're all doing well. We met with Charlie Baker, we met with and through some of the work with U Clay, we've met with some of the commissioners from some of the big conferences. So we're looking at doing some hearings and field hearings where we talk to people involved in college athletics and say we want to make sure this continues. It's been such an amazing thing and it's different from most other countries where it's all club level. Different kind of concept, this idea that sports are good for students and student athletes. That's why we have them in school. And when you get to the top level, Division 1 athletics, it's really important to Americans. So we're going to have some of these hearings where we bring in people. We're kind of waiting for this House decision when it's finalized. So we sort of know exactly what's there, but we're actually going to solicit information. Imagine that Congress trying to get information and figure out what's the best way to move forward and should we move forward at all, as you know, in Congress, or do you just let the marketplace work? So those are the questions we have and we're trying to get answers to.
Jim Jordan
Congressman, have you ever seen such a lack of gusto from your counterparts on the Democrat side in the Congress? It is a remarkable moment in American history. Right now. It just the deafening sound of crickets chirping as Trump is doing all this stuff. There's not much happening from, from them. What, where do you think that goes? Are they going to just summertime decide that they're going to focus in on health care for the midterms or something? How does it work?
Clay Travis
Well, I mean, yeah, they're not, they're not, they're going to keep fighting. The left is the left and they don't like the idea that we the people are in charge. I mean, it's, I would say this is the fundamental fight. What you're seeing with, with Mosque, it's like, oh, no, no, no. It's the bureaucrats, it's the Fauci's of the world who are supposed to run things. You know, the experts. It can't be we the people via the people we actually elect into office. It can't be that model. That's the competition. We don't want that. We want the bureaucrats to run things. So that's the fundamental fight. They're still going to be the left. But you're right, the momentum is all, and the energy is all on President Trump's side and the Republican side. And you see that with the fact that every single person he has nominated, with the exception of Mr. Gates, but every single one has been confirmed. And now we have Dan Bongino going to go help Cash. We got Pam Bondi, Todd Blanche coming into Justice Department. I mean, it's the team he has put together, good sharp people who understand they're supposed to be in those positions to serve we the people. That's the attitude that was, I think, reflective in the election and that's the attitude you see in these folks. And I'm excited about it.
Buck Sexton
All right, Jim, what should we know about the timeframe here on bills getting passed? I know there's been a discussion one bill, two bills, one big beautiful bill. What is the current process, I guess, under which the this is playing out on Capitol Hill and what should we know from a time frame perspective based on what you know.
Clay Travis
No, good, good question. And you know, I'm, I fell along tactically. One bill, two bill, 10 bills, I don't care. I Just want to get done what we said we were going to do. But the one bill approach is the budget for creating that vehicle is supposed to happen tonight. Now, the speaker said we may or may not be able to get the votes tonight, but I think we can. We're working on that. And then the final package, the timeline that the speakers laid out and Leader Thune has talked about is sometime in April where we would get that one big beautiful bill, or if it's two, and you got to do a second one. But the idea with one is to get it done sometime in April so that those tax cuts are in place. They stay in place. The new tax cuts come into place. The money needed for Tom Homan to do his job and secure our border, because it takes revenue, it takes resources to do that, and then some money for our national defense, which, again, are all the things we campaigned on. That's the timeline that the speakers laid out, and that's what we're trying to meet.
Jim Jordan
What do you think of the chances, Congressman Jordan, that for the first and maybe only time, you'll be a part of a bill that's actually called one big beautiful bill? I think it has a nice ring to it. I'm just throwing that out there.
Clay Travis
You know, it's so President Trump. And, you know, you guys have spent time around him like I have, and he's a special guy, and what a leader, and the optimism and love he has for the country is just. It's phenomenal. And I think the bill's appropriately named. So let's hope we can get it done tonight, get that first step done later this evening.
Jim Jordan
Fantastic. Congressman Jim Jordan of Ohio, appreciate you, sir. Thanks so much. We'll talk soon.
Clay Travis
Take care.
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Jim Jordan
It also goes to show beyond any doubt that Democrats were lying for a long time when they were saying things like we need congressional action to do anything about this, or when they tried to at the last minute, it was so transparent, which is why the Republican in the Senate who went along with it is just, was just a useful idiot when they tried to pass that border security bill in the election year. Oh, why won't Republicans go with this border security bill? They must want more illegals. You know, this is the person who has burned your house down running up with a pail of water as it's smoldering, saying, I'm here to help. I mean, the whole thing was absolutely absurd. This is a law enforcement issue, which means it's really an executive branch issue, which means it's really a political will issue. These individuals are in the country in violation of existing congressional statutes. They are entering the country in violation of existing congressionally passed statutes. So what you need is people to enforce those laws and make sure there are consequences as part of that enforcement, in this case, sending you back to the country that is your actual country. And you don't just get to skip the line and go around all the legal immigrants into America and decide you're going to stay here and get access to all the benefits of being, you know, on American soil. So Trump is doing a fantastic job with this so far. But I think it does add to the sense of, it should add to the sense of outrage that people have that we had to suffer through 10 million illegals pouring into the country under Biden. They wanted that to happen. This is the key difference, right, Clay? It's not that this was, oh, you know, we tried and they just overwhelmed and we couldn't know. The Democrats pretended that they didn't want this to happen while they made sure that it was happening and did nothing to stop it. In fact, they enabled it. It was a policy decision that they made. It was not a natural disaster and it wasn't a hurricane that they were unprepared for or something. It was, we are making this situation what it is, which is a lawless mess and really a sellout of the American people and American sovereignty, no doubt.
Buck Sexton
And now this is one thing we're going to keep pointing out. Congress does need to act because we need to take away the presidential authority that Biden took advantage of to allow the southern border to be wide open again. So in order to ensure, hopefully that this doesn't happen again, Congress needs to take an action. And this is part of the big, beautiful bill that hopefully would restrict the president's ability to act under executive authority. But this is where Trump not only has kept his promises, but he was accurate. He said, all we have to do, and we'll talk about this with Tom Homan tomorrow, all we have to do is re implement the policies that we put in place last time, and the southern border will cease being wide open for the entire world. Trump did it 30 days.
Jim Jordan
Boom.
Buck Sexton
Southern border is shut. And in fact, based on these numbers, I think there's a good chance that there are fewer illegal immigrants in the country at all during the Trump administration now than there was before. That is, we're not allowing in a massive amount of illegals, and we're also now sending violent illegals out. This may be the first month since Joe Biden came into office where the number of illegal immigrants in the United States has actually declined. Even if it's not as fast as people would want, the positive trend lines have flipped.
Jim Jordan
I think that this is also part of a reorientation of the thinking of the majority of the American people. Again, I can't speak to the insane, you know, I can't speak to the people who are like, we need to change the law for inseminated person instead of mom. Like, we're never gonna. You can't. You can't fix that. OK? But we're at solid majority issues here. 60% of the American people approve of the deportations that Trump is doing. 6, 0. 60%. And I think if they knew more details about who these People are. And what's really been going on, the number would be more like 70, 75%. And now you're just getting to the hardcore open Borders left, right. 20, 25% of the country is nuts. We can't do anything about that. But really, 20% of any country is going to be kind of a little bit nutty on politics, I think that's fair to say. And, you know, I think there's a. Just a contingent of any society. It's going to be kind of crazy. But here's the thing, Clay. They're changing our perception of what is possible. Yes. You know, yes, Trump has this win. But. But if Trump is doing this, future administrations as well will have to contend with the fact that if all of a sudden the border gets kicked wide open again, they can't play the, oh, we're overwhelmed. We just need more. We just need more immigration judges. We just need more border patrol to welcome people into the country who have come here illegally. Right. That's changed the same way that Doge and the budget stuff and the government waste, fraud and abuse cutting is changing our perception of whether we can actually tackle government spending, government growth. Right. You can't fix this all at once, but when you can do something about it, you then have the proof that you can do more going forward. So I think the. There's a mentality shift here that Trump is.
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Jim Jordan
Today, our friend Caroline Levitt, the White House press secretary, is crushing lives, dreams and taking souls over at the West Wing. A lot of fun to watch, making them very sad, very sad indeed. Probably the saddest they've ever been. Some people are saying beautiful sadness from all the live journos. And a few things we mentioned the White House Correspondent Association. You know what, let's, let's dive into this one first. We got a few very newsworthy this just breaking now. To be clear, she just was saying this recently. We wanted to bring this to you. Highlights from the press conference in the West Wing. Clay and I are going to go out there and, and we're going to go hang with our favorite people in the Trump White House and Pentagon and other places sometime in the next couple of months. So we're planning that. I do have a child coming. So that is a thing that I have to be aware of in terms of our planning and scheduling.
Buck Sexton
That's what we're trying to rush around and plan around. What if tax day is the due date? Right. In theory.
Jim Jordan
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Buck Sexton
15Th ish. Is the baby's projected arrival.
Jim Jordan
Yeah, it's April 16th. Yeah, that's the one. Is tax day this 15th this year? Sometimes it's a little later, isn't it? Okay, well, it's the 15th. Another day that America. You know that Ron DeSantis is thinking about removing all property taxes in Florida. He's trying to get this done, which would be amazing. I don't know how we'd make room for all the people that will want to move to this place. It would game Tennessee.
Buck Sexton
Yeah, it would be amazing. I mean my property taxes are pretty low, but any taxes being removed I would be very happy to to be a part of.
Jim Jordan
So we'll get into taxes and where they're going as in the federal bureaucracy and the bureaucrats who don't seem to do very much as part of this Caroline Levitt press conference. But first, let's dive into this. The I think that the Democrat media for a long time has actually been more important than the Democrat politicians. I think that the Democrat media has been calling the shots much more so and and have been able to give a tremendous amount of lift in the polls, lift at election time to their side. And that's changing.
Buck Sexton
They are.
Jim Jordan
They are on the decline and conservative MAGA and right wing media are all on the ascent. And now it's not just in terms of numbers and viewership that's been true for a long time now. It's also in some of these structures of I guess what we'd have to call journalism. And Caroline Levitt, who's the White House press secretary announced this Clay mentioned it before the top of this hour that the White House Correspondents association will not control who can gain access Play24 as.
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You all know, for decades, a group of D.C. based journalists, the White House Correspondents association has long dictated which journalists get to ask questions of the President of the United States States in these most intimate spaces. Not anymore. I am proud to announce that we are going to give the power back to the people who read your papers, who watch your television shows and who listen to your radio stations. Moving forward, the White House press pool will be determined by the White House press team, legacy outlets who have participated in the press pool for decades will still be allowed to join. Fear not. But we will also be offering the privilege to, well, deserving outlets who have never been allowed to share in this awesome responsibility.
Jim Jordan
So the hierarchy is being changed. Why shouldn't it, Clay? I love it.
Buck Sexton
Well, audience changed in a big way. We have on this radio program more people who are consuming us every day than almost any show in the country. We talked about this earlier when Megan Kelly ran through the 25 to 54 year old age viewing audience for Joy Reid. She had 59,000 people. We have 59,000 of you listening in some individual cities right now. So the millions of people that we are fortunate enough to talk to every single day, we don't have somebody at the White House asking questions on a day to day basis. But a lot of news organizations that have a pinprick of our overall audience do. And so I think as the media environment evolves, it's actually incredibly necessary that the people who are asking questions have an audience worthy of being asking, being able to ask questions. Right. I mean, to me, this is the essence of you don't have an unlimited number of seats. You've been in that White House press briefing room. It's actually very small. It looks bigger on television, but the number of people, I don't know. Can you fit 100 people in there? Probably not 75. It's a small room, relatively speaking. And so when you have a limited access point to something that a lot of people would have demand for, it seems rational to me, Buck, to look at the size of individual audiences of these news organizations and making a decision about how you reach the largest possible audience with your message. That seems imminently rational to me.
Jim Jordan
She spoke also about something that's getting a lot of attention from us and across the country, which is the Elon, I should say now, second email opportunity for federal workers to write five bullet points of what they had gotten done last week. This was. This whole concept was made famous when Elon wrote the CEO of Twitter in response to some like nonsense email, what have you gotten done this week? And that that CEO was not long for Twitter when he did not have a good answer when Elon took over. Because Twitter had become essentially a social justice organization that was just losing money hand over fist. Right. Twitter had become a very poorly run and very poorly operated entity unless the goal was to suppress conservative speech, elevate liberal idiots. And you know, that's what they were doing, right. And you know, no more dead naming and use preferred pronouns. And that's. That's what Twitter became. And now Elon has freed it from those shackles of lunacy. But for federal government employees, Clay, this is going to be interesting because a lot of them have not responded. Caroline Levitt spoke about this. This is cut25. This is in response to the second Elon email. He says if you don't respond to this one, you're actually going to get fired. Here's what White House Press Secretary Levitt says.
Elon Musk
All the Office of Personnel Management is asking, all this administration is asking, President Trump is asking, is for federal workers who live off of the American taxpayers dime to send five bullet points of what they have done in the previous week. That is all we are asking for. And so the Office of Personnel and Management sent out additional guidance, like last night. Those responses should be directed to agency leadership. And the President defers to his cabinet secretaries who he's obviously entrusted to pursue the guidance relative to their specific workforce. And for some of the agencies that you've seen who have said, please don't send these emails, it's in their best interest for that specific agency. And the President supports that. And let me be very clear, the President and Elon is, his entire cabinet are working as one unified team and they are implementing these very common sense solutions.
Jim Jordan
What's unfair about this, Clay, you've, you've run, you've run your own company and you've had employees. Would you be okay with people getting an email from you like, hey, what have you done this week? And they're like, I don't have to respond to you, sir.
Buck Sexton
No, I would fire them. And I actually think that having a job at a place is a privilege and that your job, when you work at a place that is designed to make money, you should be thinking at every moment of every day, how do I make my boss more money? How do I make the company more money? That's your job. This is not a charity. There are plenty of charities out there. I encourage all of you to donate to them to do great things. The purpose of any business is to make money. And if you're not aiding and abetting that, then you should be fired, in my opinion. I think a big part of this that Elon has figured out is that a lot of these people who are cashing government checks aren't even willing to check their email because they're working from home. They aren't doing anything. Some of them may have side gigs, side hustles, where they're doing other things when they claim to be being paid by the taxpayer. We're funding this. Why should the gov. Why should we. We're paying all of these people salaries. Why should we not expect a high quality of work in exchange for our taxpayer dollars? I don't know about you, Buck. I would much rather figure out how to invest my own money and pay a lot lower tax rate. I think I could create a lot more jobs, all these things. But if I'm having to pay the rate that I am, nearly 40%, I want to know that the people that I am paying for are doing a bare minimum to justify their salaries.
Jim Jordan
Well, they see that's. I think what the second thing you said there is really the framework that we're working within. You said a moment ago, I think we can expect high quality work. We should be able to. But what we're looking at, my standard.
Buck Sexton
Is if I'm paying for you, I should get high quality work.
Jim Jordan
Right, you're. But see that's the private sector mentality. That's like startup running a company mentality. What Elon is dealing with is what is the second thing you said which is can, can we expect you to do anything? I am telling you this is the truth. There are a lot, because I saw it myself. There are a lot of people within the federal government who don't do anything. They show up, they sit at a computer, they go on a 30 minute coffee break. They sit back at their computer, they read the New York Times. They then go hang out in the break room for another, you know, 45 minutes. They sit down, they see if there's any emails. They then go for a walk outside. I mean, and I don't mean they're like, I knew one guy, this is common in a lot of these places.
Buck Sexton
There are people in an office. Imagine what these people are doing from home.
Jim Jordan
Right, Right. Well, that's. We at least had to show up when we were.
Buck Sexton
That's what I'm saying. Like at least you had to put forth the effort to pretend a lot of these guys are eating Cheetos and watching Netflix while they're claiming that they're doing taxpayer jobs.
Jim Jordan
Well, I bet a lot of people, and this will be. If there were, if they were reasonably smart about their con. I bet there are a lot of federal employees who were working off book somewhere. Think about this. You get, you get to have your job working remote at the Department of Commerce or Agriculture or whatever. You know, think of an even less important agency and you get to keep, you get to get your federal salary and maybe you can go and you can take A shift as a, as a bartender. Or you could go, you know, you start to double dip, right? I mean, this is.
Buck Sexton
Yes, you have a side hustle. That's what I'm saying. Like you're an Uber driver, right? I mean, you're like, hey, you know what? I'm gonna do something else.
Jim Jordan
Well, what I'm saying is if you're smart, you're doing it in cash. Because if they find out that you're doing this on company, the one thing that. This, they always told me this. And the CIA, true. Across the federal government, the one thing that will nail you is time and attendance fraud. Now, that's a lot harder when you have work from home, right? But if you have to be in a facility for your job and you're out somewhere else doing something else, that.
Buck Sexton
Is, you can be turned to come in to the office anymore, Right?
Jim Jordan
Because it makes it easier to track what's going on. Right? And this is for all these different agencies. So. But look at the pushback. Yeah, this. I mean, look at the. And I will tell you to my point about the 20% in my CIA office, in the Iraq office, people were staying till 2, 3 o'clock in the morning. People are coming back from their, you know, fifth deployment overseas to a war zone. Like, there are people doing real stuff in some of these places. I want to be very clear about that. There are people that, you know, people I had friends who got very grievously wounded. I mean, you know, this is real stuff, okay? But there are a lot of people at these agencies who aren't doing squat. And that's where you really got to figure out what's going on.
Buck Sexton
I don't have an objection to work from home. If you are incredibly productive, if you are able to do a lot of what you're doing, and a lot of people are working from home and doing a great job. Now you have to go out for meetings, all these different stuff, like you just stay at home. But the idea that it's the default, that basically everybody gets to work from home is no way you can run a business. And I don't think it's any way you can run a government. Look, we told you yesterday, great news out of Israel. Over the weekend, six hostages returned. And when I was in Israel last December, our partner, the ifcj, that's the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews, they arranged a meeting with one of the fathers. And as a dad myself, heartbreaking to hear his story. And that's why I was so elated that his son was released after 500 days, two birthdays in control by Hamas. But many other families unfortunately aren't going to get to have that kind of amazing reunion. It looks like a lot of the remaining hostages are going to be returning in coffins. That's why it's important we keep standing with our brothers and sisters in Israel. You can do that as well by visiting supportifcj.org did you see the story about the babies? Basically the two young Jewish children taken from near Oz, one of whom was 10 months old. Saw a video of the 4 year old loved Batman running on the ground in near Oz, a place that we visited in the kibbutz where they were kidnapped from. That's what evil is. That's what evil does. And your ongoing monthly gift of $45 will help provide critically needed aid to communities in the north and the south devastated by the horrors of war. Provide hope during a time of great uncertainty with your gift@supportifcj.org that's one word. Supportifcj.org you can also call 888-488-IFCJ. That's 888-488-IFCj.
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Podcast Summary: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show – Daily Review With Clay and Buck (Feb 25, 2025)
Introduction On the February 25, 2025 episode of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, hosted by Premier Networks, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton delve into a myriad of pressing topics encompassing media dynamics, border security, government spending, and internal governmental issues. Joined by Congressman Jim Jordan, the discussion offers insightful commentary on the state of American politics and policy.
Media Critique: MSNBC and Its Hosts A significant portion of the episode centers on a critical examination of MSNBC, particularly targeting prominent hosts Joy Reid and Rachel Maddow. Travis and Sexton express disappointment over Joy Reid’s recent firing, arguing that it highlights systemic issues within the network.
Joy Reid's Firing and Network Racism Jim Jordan introduces the topic by questioning the integrity of MSNBC's decision-making:
"Joy Reid... [has] an animus to certain people that comes out in her commentary" (05:01).
Buck Sexton responds vehemently:
"I was doing had value... I'm ecstatic" (06:31).
Rachel Maddow’s Response and Network Dynamics The hosts criticize Rachel Maddow for her public lamentations over Reid’s departure, suggesting a lack of gratitude despite her substantial salary. They argue that Maddow's actions reflect a broader failure within MSNBC to manage overpaid hosts effectively.
"Msnbc is racist for firing Joy Reid... [Rachel Maddow] makes $25 million a year..." (08:03).
Border Security and Immigration Reform A major highlight of the episode is the discussion on U.S. border security, lauding President Trump’s efforts to reduce illegal immigration. They highlight impressive statistics showing a significant decrease in border encounters under Trump’s administration.
Reduction in Illegal Immigration Trent emphasizes the success:
"There were only 15,700 migrants encountered in the entire 30 days the first month since Trump became president... down 94% from their high" (38:19).
Future Legislative Actions Congressman Jordan outlines the need for congressional action to sustain these improvements:
"We need to take away the presidential authority that Biden took advantage of to allow the southern border to be wide open again" (41:44).
Government Spending and Budget Reconciliation The conversation shifts to government spending, focusing on the Republican efforts to pass a budget reconciliation package aimed at cutting taxes, reducing spending, and securing the border.
"This budget resolution would allow us to cut taxes, cut spending, help with national defense and secure the border" (27:32).
Tax Return Leaks and IRS Malfeasance Another critical issue discussed is the leaking of over 400,000 individual tax returns, attributed to a single individual aiming to expose President Trump’s taxes. The hosts condemn the IRS’s role in this breach.
Congressman Jordan on IRS Failings
"How do we know this? And will those people be notified of this?..." (23:49).
Buck Sexton’s Audit Experience Buck shares his personal experience:
"I'm being audited right now. Every one of my tax returns since I started this show has been audited" (25:15).
College Athletics Hearings The hosts touch upon forthcoming congressional hearings on college athletics, emphasizing the importance of maintaining the integrity and success of collegiate sports in the U.S.
"We want to make sure they're all doing well. We met with Charlie Baker, we met with... commissioners from some of the big conferences" (29:30).
Changes in White House Press Access A notable shift in media access is discussed, where Elon Musk announces changes to the White House press pool, democratizing access based on audience size rather than traditional media hierarchies.
Elon Musk’s Announcement
"We are going to give the power back to the people who read your papers, who watch your television shows and who listen to your radio stations" (54:33).
Hosts’ Perspective on Media Evolution Buck supports this move:
"We have on this radio program more people who are consuming us every day than almost any show in the country" (54:38).
Elon Musk’s Influence and Federal Workforce Accountability The episode also examines Elon Musk’s influence on media and government accountability, particularly regarding federal workforce productivity and managerial expectations.
Buck Sexton on Federal Employee Accountability
"If I'm paying for you, I should get high quality work" (58:47).
Jim Jordan on Federal Workforce Issues
"There are a lot of people within the federal government who aren't doing squat" (61:42).
Personal Anecdotes and Advertisements Throughout the episode, the hosts intersperse personal stories, such as Jim Jordan’s upcoming family event and Buck Sexton’s plans for a steak night, alongside various advertisements for products like Chumba Casino, Good Ranchers, LegacyBox, and Rush Tax Resolution.
Conclusion: Achievements in Border Security and Future Outlook The episode concludes by reiterating the successes in border security under President Trump and the necessity for continued legislative action to prevent regression.
Final Thoughts on Border Success
"Encounters are down 94% from their high of 263,900 in December of 2023... This is one of the strongest promises that Donald Trump made on day one. I will shut down our southern border" (39:27).
Future Prospects The hosts express optimism about sustained improvements and the potential for further governmental reforms to enhance national security and fiscal responsibility.
Notable Quotes:
Jim Jordan on MSNBC’s Policies:
"Joy Reid seems to have a big problem... we have more people in some cities listening to us right now on the radio than the entire demo audience for Joy Reid's show" (14:55).
Buck Sexton on Corporate Accountability:
"If I'm paying for you, I should get high quality work" (58:47).
Clay Travis on Government Spending:
"The budget resolution would allow us to cut taxes, cut spending, help with national defense and secure the border" (27:32).
Conclusion This episode provides a comprehensive critique of current media practices, celebrates significant strides in border security, and underscores the necessity for continued governmental reform. Through insightful discussion and robust debate, Clay Travis, Buck Sexton, and Congressman Jim Jordan offer listeners a clear perspective on the challenges and triumphs within American politics.