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Clay Travis
Welcome in Clay Travis Bucs Sexton show, Friday edition of the program. We hope all of you are having fantastic early starts to your weekend as all of us hang out and roll into finally the month of March. I know it's been a pretty cold winter all over the place and things hopefully are going to be getting better as we go forward. A lot to dive into during the course of today's program. Zelinsky is visiting the White House right now and Trump had an all timer banger of a quote. Buck, I don't know if you saw this. I was thinking about trying it in arguments with my wife Laura going forward. Did you see this quote, Buck? I love it. You can put it in the repertoire, see if it works on Kerry. Whenever you guys may get into disagreements. Trump was asked about calling Zelensky a dictator and he responded, did I say that? I can't believe I said that. Next question. Which is amazing. So I want all of the men out there this weekend. If you are having a dispute or disagreement and your tone is being questioned, I would suggest that you say, did I say that? I can't believe I said that. Next question and see if like Trump, you can immediately move on.
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Buck Sexton
I also, I saw, I guess we have the audio.
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Clay Travis
Sorry, Buck, let me play it. Cut 12. Listen to this.
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Donald Trump
Said that. I can't believe I said that. Next question.
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Buck Sexton
I love it.
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Clay Travis
Unbelievable.
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Buck Sexton
Fantastic.
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Clay Travis
That is amazing.
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Buck Sexton
It's all, it's all in the delivery too. Like it minimizes so much. Like, yeah, whatever. He moves on. I saw this guy Clay and I just thought this was really funny. You know, I've got my in laws down visiting, I've got my, my family from New York down visiting. We got a baby shower this weekend.
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Clay Travis
Little bit of things going on.
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Buck Sexton
So, yeah, so Clay is going to be taking the helm solo about halfway through because I got a, a million things to do. I mean, I'm, I'm a chauffeur, I'm arranging flowers, I'm taking people on tours of the beach. I got a million things I got to do here. But I did see on Instagram and I just thought this was really funny. As a relatively newly married guy, this guy whose advice is don't ever, when you're in an argument with your wife, don't ever tell her to calm down. Tell her that if her tone doesn't change, you're going to wonder how it is that you married her mom. But then again, her mom actually would clean the house and cook.
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Clay Travis
Oh my goodness.
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Buck Sexton
This guy is trying to nuke every married man. You know, I don't understand how this is even on the Internet. This should come with a warning.
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Clay Travis
This guy, your act is amazing. You're acting like your mom, except your mom would be way nicer to me is maybe the worst advice that I've ever heard in the history of mankind.
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Buck Sexton
That was the, the fastest way to, to absolutely nuke things between spouses is pretty funny anyway.
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Clay Travis
That is really, really funny.
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Buck Sexton
I don't know if, if Zelensky is going to go quite so hardcore when he sits down with Trump. I have a, I have a sense now he's going to have to play his cards right.
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Clay Travis
Yeah, we'll talk about that. Maybe there will be some public availability with Zelensky and Trump. But, Buck, I saw this and I wanted to hit you with it. This is went up this morning. This is from the New York Post. Former president. This is the Spectator world. I believe this has been Dominic doing an interview that is out now. The transcript of his interview with President Trump. Trump said when he visited Biden right after he won the election. Everybody out there, I think a lot of you will remember the pictures of Trump and Biden sitting beside the fireplace smiling. Jill Biden seeming very happy because we talked about it on this program. Biden didn't seem very angry about the fact that Trump had won. And, and Trump said that. And these are direct quotes, so I want to make sure I get them right. I asked him, this is Trump. So who do you blame? Because he was very angry. You know, he was a very angry guy, actually. And he said, I blame Barack. This gets interesting, Buck. He said, I also blame Nancy Pelosi. This is Trump talking about his conversation with Biden. I said, what about the vice president? He said, no, I don't blame her. Which was interesting. He didn't blame Kamala. He blamed. He told me he blamed those two people. So I think this is kind of what we would have anticipated if we were analyzing it without having heard it from Biden himself. But Biden feels like Obama and Pelosi were the leaders of the cabal that knocked him out of the race in 2024. And he doesn't blame Kamala for the way it went down. Now, maybe she was just skilled at moving behind closed doors and, and not being noticed as being involved. But it is interesting the way that that shakes out.
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Buck Sexton
I think this completely lines up. I buy this. Absolutely makes perfect sense to me, aligns with what we saw happening in real time. I don't want to relitigate this, but all it took was Barack and Pelosi to just have a little. Little bit of a stiffened spine and Biden actually would have still been the nominee. I know people think I'm crazy, but there. There were plenty of ways that they could have tried to resurrect the campaign from the numbers that they had. I. So. So I believe this, and I think Biden truly believed that he was going to be the guy until he wasn't. I don't think that he thought even after that debate, he was going to be able to be pushed out. There was no mechanism to push him out. The mechanism, as we see now, so to speak, was Barack and Pelosi knifing him in the back, so to speak. And that, I think, was the final push. I didn't think they would do it, and here's why. And I think it also ties into why he doesn't blame Kamala. Kamala couldn't win. Kamala knew she couldn't win. She wasn't ready for it. She didn't have the skill set for it. She didn't have the profile for it. But the Democrats, just like they, made an enormous strategic blunder by raiding Mar a Lago and bringing four different criminal trials against Trump and the civil trial nonsense. And all of this clay, just like they made all these horrible decisions in this process, this was another horrible decision by the Democrat apparatus, in this case led by Pelosi and Biden, which makes perfect sense. Those would be the two most prominent Democrats, by the way, more so than even Biden when he was president. Of course, they had more power than he did. No one really thought that, you know, Mr. Mr. Vegetable was actually calling the shots. So I think this is totally true. I think that this goes to the lack of political judgment. Remember, Barack Obama was disastrous. People always forget this. Disastrous for all Democrats in elections. Not named Obama. He didn't. He did well for himself. Two terms, fine. But the. The Obama movement did not ever stretch to other people, to big wins in the House. It obviously led to Donald Trump in 2016.
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Clay Travis
Not only that, but Obama tried to come out and campaign with Kamala and it fell flat. And I do think this also, if we got the full story, would be Obama was basically pulling the strings to get George Clooney to write that New York Times editorial. I think that's what the Biden people definitely think as well, is that Obama was moving behind the scenes, pulling strings, machinations. Remember, Buck, we have talked about it. It's still so strange that he's never left D.C. i get it early on. If you have kids and you want em to finish school. I'll be honest with you, there's nowhere in America I would move right now. Cause my kids are in good schools, they're not off to college yet. I understand. And a lot of you out there who are parents probably have made decisions, hey, I'm staying in this job. I'm not moving because it's best for my kids to be able to finish high school. I want them to be able to finish the school they're in right now. So I will give him a pass for a few years until Sasha and Malia officially left the home and went off to college. But once that happens, once that happens, there's no reason for him to stay in Washington D.C. and remember we had.
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Buck Sexton
That big discussion except to meddle and there was that big article, I know you're going to reference this, the big article about the Obama presidency. Effectively a shadow presidency.
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Clay Travis
That's right.
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Buck Sexton
He's got a mansion, a 10 minute, 10 minute cab ride from the White House.
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Clay Travis
And he said publicly he would love to run the country just without the responsibilities of having to do all the handshaking and all of the movement around behind scenes. And, and basically I think this is what that's telling you, that, that Biden saw this. Now I do wonder, remember this is a conversation Trump had right after the election. I do wonder if the Kamala positivity still exists because some of the interaction between Kamala and Jill Biden for sure has been frosty on a level where even I notice it. Like the shoulder is so cold that I can't even look away.
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Buck Sexton
I, I, I like this because we get to read the tea leaves and get into, we get to play shrink on the couch here. Clay, I think, I think that Jill Biden never liked, never liked Kamala. And I think it really goes to when Kamala called her husband a racist on the stage. I know that the Democrats forgot, you know, that whole thing, but she really went after Biden in a way that tarnished his legacy. And if you're Jill Biden, that's what matters to you, secondary only to him being president. Right. The Biden legacy is a critical aspect of what Jill Biden thinks she's preserving. So Kamala went after Biden, calls him a racist on that stage. That results in, I think Jill Biden never forgiving or forgetting. Joe can, you know, Joe is, he's got, he's a scummy guy. He's been in politics forever. You know, it's different Right. He doesn't view, but I think he gives Kamala a pass because he knows she wasn't the one maneuvering to push him aside. And he knows that it was Pelosi and Obama and then Kamala had no choice. But I think Jill still views it as you went after my husband publicly and you betrayed him. I don't care that it wasn't your idea. That's how I would break it down.
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Clay Travis
I think that's, I think that's very right and there is a lot here, I think, remember Biden has been very quiet in the month since he left. He basically, I know he doesn't have a lot of, a lot of energy to do anything. But even for Biden, in the month since he's left, he's been very quiet. At some point, I don't know who the person's going to be. There is, we know the book is coming out from Jake Tapper who's lied about all of the, all the Biden related health concerns and claim that he talked about. You know, we know those are all lies. But at some point somebody is going to write the Biden score settling book. I don't know who it's going to be. Maybe a campaign manager. It may be a trusted, from their perspective media source. And I think you're going to hear a lot of these accusations because what they're going to be fighting over in the future, Buck, is who actually is responsible for Trump coming back because Biden looks like an accidental president right now who never should have been in office. Remember, even people who are not crazy right wing conspiracists are saying, did he really get 81 million votes? Like, I mean, there's a lot of people starting to ask those questions now.
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Buck Sexton
But you hit on something critical as well. This isn't just about the exercise of the blame game as it pertains to the different egos involved here in the legacies. There is no leadership of the Democrat Party right now. So who, and there's no agenda for the Democrat Party other than crying and hoping that Trump stops doing what he's doing. So what you have, and this makes sense given the power dynamics of the Democrat Party is a fight that is going to be brewing right now and a lot of it in front of us. I think over exactly what you said, who is responsible for this message the Democrats are in because that group or those individuals can get sidelined and there can be somebody else that leads the Democrat Party against Trump going forward. But that's why they have to figure this out now because some, you know, somebody's heads have to roll. Somebody has to be held accountable for this disaster. They find themselves in a Democrat party that is the weakest I've ever seen it in my life. I've never seen the Democrat party as weak as it is right now. So they have. And everyone knows this, right? This. It's not like anyone's claiming the Democrats are in a good position. So is it the, you know, Pelosi Obama faction that gets the blame? Is it changing therefore the leadership toward a more at least ostensibly moderate purple state Democrats? Somebody like Gretchen Whitmer or Wes Moore? We've talked about some of these names. That's all happening right now. Uh, we'll take calls on this as well. 800-282-2882. You know, Clay tells me one of the fun things about having kids is getting to relive all those things from your childhood, but through their eyes. Remember walkie talkies when you were a kid? Those were a lot of fun. Now imagine walkie talkies but with a whole new array of technology and a whole bunch of new uses for adults. Our sponsor, Rapid Radios has the modern version of the walkie talkies you grew up with as kids. With a single button, you can talk to anyone nationwide, but not just in the neighborhood. That's because Rapid Radio's walkie talkies are accessing a nationwide LTE network by grabbing a hold of any cell tower network close by. That's just one of the reasons why these are selling so quickly. Families, friends, coworkers can all stay in touch, particularly when there's a disruption like a natural disaster. Remember, my in laws were actually staying with me in South Florida this weekend when they got hit hard by that hurricane in Asheville, North Carolina. I was talking to the next day to despite all the communications disruptions on Rapid Radios from my living room, clear as day. It's great technology. Rapid Radios are easy to use. Something you want to have for day to day use, but also in case of go online to rapidradios.com you'll get up to 60% off free UPS shipping from Michigan plus a free protection bag. Add Code Radio and get an extra 5% off. These rapid Radio walkie talkies have batteries with a five day charge ready to go out of the box. Rapidradios.com use code radio.
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Kris Kobach
Saving america One thought at A time. Clay, Travis and Buck Sexton. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Clay Travis
Okay, we are waiting for the audio of This I am told that I now have the transcript. Bach I'm going to do a bit of a dramatic reading here of just what happened in the Oval Office. J.D. vance, who is also at the meeting, Vice President J.D. vance said it was, quote, disrespectful for Zelensky to come in the Oval Office and litigate in front of the American media and said he does this all the time on publicity tours. Trump raised his voice and said to Zelensky, you're not in a very, you're not really in a good position right now. You're gambling with World War Three. J.D. vance then said, have you said thank you once you went to Pennsylvania to campaign for the opposition? Trump followed. You're running low on soldiers, then you're telling us you don't want a ceasefire. Zelensky is trying to respond. This is according to the LA Times. This is spicy Buck, relatively speaking, to what usually happens when the media is invited in to see a foreign dignitary visiting. Usually everybody plays nice. It does not appear that everybody is playing nice here.
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Buck Sexton
What is Zelensky's plan other than to just keep on hanging out with celebrities and assuming that the American taxpayer is going to send him hundreds of billions of dollars for this war, which I think we honestly don't get anything from. We are helping people because America has decided that Russia is the bad guy and Ukraine is the good guy. And yeah. Is it Russia's fault that this war happened? Yes, they started the war. Were there things that were done by NATO before? A rather encroachments by NATO beforehand and provocations by Biden specifically that did not help the situation in advance? Yeah, that's also true. But we just want this thing to stop. We want to stop sending money. We want, we want people to stop getting blown up and killed and shot and all these horrible things that are happening on a massive scale on this battlefront. What is Zelensky's plan if he doesn't want to go into a negotiation? Putin already knows. People are saying, oh, Trump is undermining Putin's hand. But Zelensky's hand. Putin knows the battlefield reality better than we do. He knows he's got more men, he knows he's got more material and he knows that Russia is actually slowly advancing in this situation. And so what's Zelensky's plan to bluff? He's going to these the only options are status quo clay, which is meat grinder for Ukrainians, Americans funding this whole operation. Or Zelensky thinks that some way he'll be able to get us to just step in. And now it's America squaring off against Russia on the battlefield directly. I don't see what the. Because. Because negotiation and cease fire and ending this thing sets him off. Apparently he doesn't want to do that.
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Clay Travis
I do think that it's under discussed and I give credit to JD Vance for pointing this out. The guy went to the battleground state of Pennsylvania to campaign for Kamala Harris. We talk a lot about foreign interference in elections. Can you recall that having happened, Buck, where a foreign leader comes to the United States in the middle of an election, goes to a battleground state and campaigns for one side against the other, and then shows up in the White House after the side he campaigned against lost or, sorry, won. The side he campaigned for lost and tries to argue that they owe him something. I mean, again, strip aside. I like to do this, and I know some of you don't necessarily love it, but strip aside, whatever political affiliations you have right now. For a moment, just consider this blindly. If we're going to hear that Russia completely elected Donald Trump based on a few hundred thousand dollars in Facebook ads. That is the entire argument of Russia collusion when it boils down, Russia was playing around on Facebook. They bought, I don't know, $150,000, I think of Facebook ads, which, let me tell you, is virtually nothing, especially in an election where billions of dollars are being spent. I went and looked at those elections. We have bought Facebook ads. I can tell you that $150,000 in Facebook ads does not get you in front of very many people. Okay, but if we are being told that Russia buying those ads swung the 2016 election, Zelensky actually traveled to America and campaigned against Trump and Vance in Pennsylvania, what most people would have acknowledged to be the biggest battleground state in the entire United States. So this idea that somehow this is not direct election interference from a foreign official is kind of wild to me. I even. I remember we talked about it when it happened on this program and I said at the time, like, this is direct attempt to influence election by Zelensky.
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Buck Sexton
I also, I always thought this formulation was just. Was so dishonest. This thing about Democrats. Oh, people are trying to influence our elections. This has been going on forever. We try to influence elections also.
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Clay Travis
How many elections do you think we try to influence that are going on?
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Buck Sexton
I was in the CIA and I'm familiar with the history of that organization. Let me tell you, there's been a lot of influencing of elections in Our past and maybe more. Who knows? That has gone on all over the world. I mean, the whole Cold War was basically us picking proxies and the Soviets picking proxies to try to influence powered elections in foreign countries. This was, this was like top of our foreign policy priority for decades. So this notion, oh, yes, is it a problem if Russia tries to break into our voting machines and change them? Yeah, that didn't happen, although a lot of Democrats think it did. That's, that's, you know, breaking laws and things that we have to take seriously. I mean, you could even argue that's an act of war. But Facebook ads, world leaders saying, I think you should vote for this person, not that person. Americans or Russians or whoever we're talking about, we're in a global information ecosystem. The idea that there isn't, there aren't efforts to influence elections, at least by people sharing their opinions, whether it's a world leader or foreign media entity or whatever. This is, this is farcical. This is absurd. But this is where you get to Democrats saying they bought Facebook ads saying mean things about Hillary. There were billions of dollars spent on ads in that election. 100 grand. If you're going to lose an election because of 100 grand on Facebook, you didn't deserve to win in the first place. The whole thing is absurd.
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Clay Travis
Also, that's the greatest ad spend in the history of mankind. I'm just telling you. $100,000 in Facebook ads. During the gambling era, with outkick, we would buy Facebook ads to try to get people to sign up for gambling through outkick codes. I mean, that's one of the parts of our business that we were running as a media business. $100,000 is a blip in the radar of Facebook's overall advertising. So what happens here with Zelensky traveling and campaigning? I think J.D. vance is actually very right to call him out. We are in the process, by the way, of putting the audio of the transcript that I read to you in, and I would imagine we will have this soon. Again, Zelensky in the White House being confronted in real time about. About exactly what is going on.
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Buck Sexton
Also, he does not come across as grateful at all. I will point that out. It's always, give us everything that we want. Give us all of this money, American taxpayer, or else the fact that we're going to get our asses kicked by the Russians even more is your fault. It's. The whole thing is effectively built on a kind of moral blackmail.
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Donald Trump
It's.
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Buck Sexton
You have to keep funding this, the American taxpayer has to keep funding the Ukraine war or else if Russia runs over them, it is our fault. So, yeah, that's, that's, I think something that people have grown, Clay, very tired of in this country. And a lot of Democrats for whom the virtue signaling of a Ukraine flag on their Facebook page or on their X profile, that's their involvement in this war. And just like everything else, spending money that they don't think of as theirs because it's the taxpayers and giving it to Ukraine makes them feel good about themselves. But the real nuts and bolts of what is happening in this conflict shows us that Zelensky has. There's no plan here. And as we saw, whether it was the US And NATO in Afghanistan, a whole bunch of other wars we could point to when you have no plan other than I'm going to send people who are just serving their country to go out there and get shot at and possibly killed. This is, this is a deeply immoral thing to perpetuate. If it's just. I want the status quo because I don't want to accept that we can't get everything that we want. As you know, the Ukrainians. What?
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Clay Travis
I'm sorry, I'm just looking at some of the pictures. The Ukrainian ambassador has her head in her hands over the audio that we're about to play for you in front of all the media. This is going to be a big deal. We probably will go to break and we should.
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Buck Sexton
Let's come back and play.
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Clay Travis
When we come back.
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Buck Sexton
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Kris Kobach
Making America great again isn't just one man, it's many. The Team 47 podcast Sundays at noon Eastern in the Clay and Buck podcast feed. Find it on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Clay Travis
Welcome back in Clay. Travis Buck Sexton show. The joint press conference between Zelinsky and Trump has been canceled. There is a report that Trump has kicked Zelensky and the Ukrainians out of the White House. I am, like many of you, clicking Refresh to get the absolute latest on how this is going to, how this is going to shake out and whether Zelensky will actually leave the White House. And I say this again, I'll give you the absolute latest because all of this, to me is just negotiation. And a lot of people are gonna get worked up. And you see this happen all the time. We'll bring in the attorney general of Kansas who we had scheduled here. And I know we've got, we're gonna talk about the border and many of the things that are going on. Kris Kobach, appreciate him joining us right now. I don't know. Have you been in mediations like I have where one side pretends to get really angry and they say we're leaving? That offer was disrespectful. It's clear they didn't come to try to settle this case today. And they threatened to leave. And then the mediator goes to the other side and the other side threatens to leave. I've been through this so many times. It feels to me like negotiating posture more than anything else. But I'm curious how you would analyze and if you have yourself been through settlement talks like this.
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J.D. Vance
You know, I have as an attorney in my private capacity, before I became attorney general, Yes, I have. And as attorney general, I've been in settlement talks. But I have to say I have not been in one where people, you know, get visibly angry and, you know, storm out or start yelling. This is a, this is a pretty rare thing, at least in my world. So, no, I haven't seen that.
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Clay Travis
But, yeah, it's interesting.
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J.D. Vance
It could be, you know, a way of achieving some sort of bargaining position.
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Clay Travis
Well, you know, what's interesting is maybe it's just me. Like, I just, it doesn't really rattle me. But I feel like a lot of attorneys try to play this game where they get riled up and they want to puff out their chest and everything else and then other aspects of this. By the way, the press conference Zelinsky canceled right now Mineral deal not signed. Brett Baier just tweeted that he is still scheduled to interview Zelensky. Can you imagine that interview at this point? But again, until they actually leave, the White House and team, if you will, monitor this, because I'm sure the cameras are going to be there. Much of this seems like public posturing to me, but we will see. All right. One thing that Trump has certainly done that has not been public posturing is, is he's effectively shut down the border. Now, I know Kansas is not a direct border state, but given that you have some proximity to Texas, much of that traffic floods its way everywhere. What have you seen in terms of the relationship between the various state attorney generals when it comes to shutting down the border, and what impact have you seen from that occurring?
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J.D. Vance
There's quite a bit of impact already. And Kansas is. Although we're not touching the border, we are very close in the sense of I35 comes straight up from Texas and it's a major trafficking route. And then we also have our east west highways, which tend to bring in people who have come in across the Arizona section of the border, and then they're moved up to Highway 24, Highway 36. Typically, the smugglers will not use interstates if they can avoid them. 35 is an exception, and they'll use these secondary state highways. But at any rate, yeah, we do get a lot of traffic through Kansas. And we also are a destination state, especially in parts of our state where there may be some meatpacking or other industries. Now, meatpacking has shifted over the last few years, but there are other industries where illegal immigration is a very prominent labor source. So, yeah, we have, as an attorney general, we've seen a lot of things happening. So step back a few months. Right before President Trump was elected and took office, we were suing the Biden administration in case after case after case because the Biden administration was breaking the law. So to give you an example, the very first suit brought during the Biden administration was led by Texas because President Biden announced he was just going to not deport anyone for 100 days. He just made that up. And it's against federal law to do that. Texas won that lawsuit. And then the last one in the immigration context was brought by Kansas with a bunch of other states coming on as co plaintiffs. And we sued the Biden administration because he was trying to give Obamacare benefits to illegal aliens. And we prevailed in that case. And that's the, you know, but between those two, there were more than a dozen lawsuits. Brought by state attorneys general to stop the Biden administration for violating the law. Now, all of a sudden, things are switched, and we're trying to help the Trump administration enforce the law. One of the biggest things right now that I think will have the most consequence is is what are called Section 287 agreements. And for those of your listeners who aren't familiar with that, that refers to section 287G of the Immigration and Nationality Act. And that allows either a state law enforcement agency like my Kansas Bureau of Investigations, which is under the attorney general here in Kansas, it allows us to have our officers trained to be essentially isof, to take off their, you know, Kansas KBI hat and put on an ICE officer hat when they need to have access to ICE databases to detain an alien who's illegally in the country on behalf of ice. And so it's not only state agencies, but sheriff's offices around the country are getting trained up right now. It's, you know, if anyone associated with a law enforcement agency is listening, you know, think about your agency getting this training, because it really is a massive force multiplier. And it's happening a lot in Kansas, Florida, Texas right now. I know a lot of law enforcement agencies have already signed up and have already gotten this authority. You have to get training as well for your officers who are going to be deputized in this manner. But it's a big deal because. Go ahead.
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Clay Travis
No, I was just going to say we're talking with Kansas Attorney General Kris Kobach, and I was going to ask you on top of this, indeed, working with ice, we had Tom Holman on the show, I believe, Wednesday, talking about all the work that he had done to shut down the border. Look, I'm old enough, and certainly we have talked about it a lot on this program, to remember when Joe Biden said Congress had to act in order for the border to be shut down. What does it say about Trump's promises that he would come in and fix it? And almost immediately in the first 30 days, basically all discussion about the border has ended because Trump was right. He did have the executive authority to put in place restrictions on entering into the country. He did it. And Homan told us Wednesday, 97% of illegal border crossings have been stopped since.
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J.D. Vance
So the claim made by Democrats, both now and in the past, that Congress has to act to fix the problem is complete baloney. The immigration laws of the United States, a volume of which I have in my office with me, you know, imagine a book about 4 inches thick of very small font, we have incredibly detailed immigration laws and immigration regulations under that that already make illegal just about everything the illegal aliens are doing. So we don't need additional immigration laws. We just need an executive who will enforce existing immigration laws. That's what President Trump is doing. That is what Biden did not do. In fact, Biden not only did not enforce the laws he, he violated, he ordered ICE officers and Border Patrol officers to violate certain laws that require the officer to make an arrest under certain circumstances. He said, no, you are not allowed to make that arrest, even though federal statute says you shall make an arrest under those circumstances. So the laws were already there. All it took was an executive willing to enforce the law. And the lawlessness of the Biden administration just stands in stark contrast now when you see a president who's just enforcing the laws that have been on the books, many of them for over 50 years. The most recent ones are already almost 30 years old. So there was never a shortage of laws in this area.
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Clay Travis
By the way, reports Zelensky seen exiting the White House. Trying to keep everybody updated on exactly what has gone on there. And we will continue to update you on all of this. What would you say, as an attorney general, people should know out there about the primary difference you have seen in the first, I guess like 45 days, 60 days as we come up on it, of Trump 2.0 compared to Biden?
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J.D. Vance
Well, I mean, competency, competency is the number one difference. I mean, Biden, as you know, throughout his, his tenure, his four years got more and more, you know, mentally disconnected. And that's just a function of age. Nothing, you know, negative about him as a person, but he just, he just wasn't there. Whereas President Trump is hyper engaged. The other thing is President Trump's 2.0. You know, Trump 47 has a lot more wisdom and experience than Trump 45. Not to say that, you know, Trump 45 wasn't very experienced in all kinds of areas that are relevant to being president. But now he's been through the grinder. He knows what's going to happen, what the deep state is going to try to do to him. He knows what Congress is going to, how they're going to react. And so coming in this second term, he's been extremely effective. I mean, the, the pace at which he was issuing executive orders and the quality of the order. The orders are very detailed. And I'm, you know, as an attorney, I'm looking at, just yesterday I was reviewing some of the executive orders and we had a Meeting at the White House with 21 Republican attorneys general, meeting with Pam Bondi to go over very specific things that we're intending to do. This is, this is an extraordinary level of activity where the Trump administration is moving on multiple fronts simultaneously with great speed. I haven't seen any administration do this in the first hundred days. And I've seen administrations, you know, was, was involved on the outside of the Trump administration the first time. They did a great job. But Trump 47 is running a whole lot faster than Trump 45 and a whole lot faster than the Bush administration, which I was involved in. It's really impressive. Really, really impressive.
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Clay Travis
Well, we appreciate the work you're doing in Kansas. Appreciate you giving us some time and some optics and do how life as an attorney general under Trump is going. We look forward to talking to you again sometime soon. Keep up the good work in Kansas.
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J.D. Vance
My pleasure. Thank you.
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Clay Travis
That is Attorney General of Kansas, Kris Kobach. We'll take some of your calls when we come back. Reacting still to the fireworks, I think it's fair to call it, inside of the Oval Office, between Zelensky, Donald Trump and J.D. vance, I want to tell you the lunatic anti Israeli protesters are back again in New York City. This time around 100 of them gathering in front of the entrance to Barnard College chanting Free Palestine. They tried to breach police barricades. Several arrests were made. And they also got in officer faces of the NYPD and called them the kkk. All of this just another reminder of why we need to continue to support our friends in Israel, something the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews is dedicated to doing. Your ongoing monthly gift of $45 will provide critically needed aid to communities in the north and south parts of Israel devastated by the ongoing war. I saw it for my own eyes up near Lebanon and also all the way down in the kibbutzes overlooking Gaza. Much destruction there. Much rebuilding needed to be done. And you can help bless Israel and her people by visiting supportifcj.org that's one word. Supportifcj.org you can also call 888 488, IFCJ. That's 888-488-IFCJ.
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Kris Kobach
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Clay Travis
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Kris Kobach
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Clay Travis
Let me also update you right here. This just came down. In addition to everything else going on around the world, Pope Francis, 88 years old, has had a sudden worsening condition and has been placed on a mechanical ventilator in the, in Rome. And so that story in and of itself is one worth following as well. Again, if you haven't been paying attention, 88 year old Pope, double pneumonia, has been in the hospital for some time, has had a bit of a setback according to this statement and has been placed on a ventilator. We will see how that goes in addition to all of the other geopolitical maneuvering and tension that is taking place right now. Ok, for those of you who maybe are just getting in your cars or you have not been aware of what has been transpiring, we had fireworks in the Oval Office with Vladimir, with Zelensky there alongside of J.D. vance and President Trump. The expectation was today that there would be a mineral rights agreement signed. That has not happened. Zelensky in the last half hour or so left the White House. Trump put out a statement saying evidently Zelensky is not ready to move towards a peace accord and he let it be known two things. One, Ukraine can't win the war. Two, the United States is not going to continue to pay for this war that Ukraine can't win going forward. Zelensky in the Oval Office alongside of JD Vance and Donald Trump. It got very, very testy. Let me play a couple of these cuts. The first two guys that we played in the first hour. For people out there who may not have heard what this sounded like, let's play a couple of minutes from inside of the Oval Office just in the last couple of hours. Here's what it sounded like.
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Volodymyr Zelensky
I'm talking about the kind of diplomacy that's going to end the destruction of your country.
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Clay Travis
Yes. But if you, Mr. President, we, with.
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Volodymyr Zelensky
Respect, I think it's disrespectful for you to come into the Oval Office, try to litigate this in front of the American media. Right now you guys are going around and forcing conscripts to the front lines because you have manpower problems. You should be thanking the president for trying to bring it into this.
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Kamala Harris
Have you ever been to Ukraine that you say what problems we have?
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Volodymyr Zelensky
I have been to come once. I have actually, I've actually watched and seen the stories. And I know what happens is you bring people people, you bring them on a propaganda tour. Mr. President, are, do you disagree that you've had problems like bringing people into your military?
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Clay Travis
And do you think that it's respectful.
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Volodymyr Zelensky
To come to the Oval Office of the United States of America and attack the administration that is trying to, trying to prevent the destruction of your country?
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Kamala Harris
A Lot of. A lot of questions. Let's start from the beginning.
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Clay Travis
Sure.
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Kamala Harris
First of all, during the war, everybody has problems, even you. But you have nice ocean and don't feel now, but you will feel it in the future.
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Clay Travis
God bless. You don't know that.
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Donald Trump
God bless you.
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Kamala Harris
Bless you.
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Donald Trump
Don't tell us what we're going to feel.
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Clay Travis
Okay, so that was the first part. Trump cutting in after J.D. vance had begun the discussion with. With Zelensky. Let's hear more. As it continued. Frankly, unlike anything we've ever seen before in a public fashion inside of the Oval Office.
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Donald Trump
We're trying to solve a problem. Don't tell us what we're going to feel.
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Kamala Harris
I'm not telling you because you're in.
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Donald Trump
No position to dictate that.
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Kamala Harris
Remember this.
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Donald Trump
You're in no position to dictate what we're going to feel. We're going to feel very good. We're going to feel very good and very strong.
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Kamala Harris
You will feel influence.
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Donald Trump
You're right now not in a very good position. You've allowed to be in a very bad position. And he happens to be right about.
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Kamala Harris
From the very beginning of the world.
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Donald Trump
You're not in a good position. You don't have the cards right now with us. You start having cards right now, you don't miss. You're gambling with the lives of millions of people. You're gambling with World War iii. You're gambling with World War iii. And what you're doing is very disrespectful to the country. This country. I'm far more than a lot of people said they should have.
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Volodymyr Zelensky
Have you said thank you once a lot of times? No. Even today?
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Buck Sexton
You said.
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Volodymyr Zelensky
Even today you went to Pennsylvania and campaigned for the opposition in October. Offer some words of appreciation for the United States of America and the president who's trying to save your country.
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Clay Travis
Okay, so that is the fireworks that just took place. And we have been talking Buck, by the way, out today. He was on for the first hour. Uh, he's in the process of preparing for the arrival of baby number one. Lots of family in town. He is out for the rest of the show. He'll be back with me on Monday's edition of the program. Now, what's really going on here? You might have heard me talking with the Attorney General of Kansas. To me, this is basic negotiation. I don't want to sound like Costanza on Seinfeld, but it's negotiation. Jerry, if you remember that episode, most of the people that are going to be reacting in a histrionic fashion in media have never actually been engaged in any kind of serious negotiation in their lives. What is happening here is Trump is having to speak hard truths to a Ukrainian president that has convinced himself he's Winston Churchill. Those hard truths are point one, you can't win the war. If anybody out there listening to me right now disagrees with that point, call me in and tell me how I'm wrong. 800-282-2882. The most important analysis here is Ukraine cannot win this war. If you believe that to be true, and I don't even think you can make an argument that Ukraine can win the war unless you're out there right now listening and you're saying, you know what? I want this to turn into a world war. I want there to be American troops. I want Naito to be involved. If that were to occur, then, yes, I think Ukraine could win the war. If we gave them millions of troops, they would have more than Russia would. But then Russia might decide to use nuclear weapons, right? No one wants to take this to the next proverbial level. If Ukraine is fighting against Russia, Ukraine cannot win. That is point one. If Ukraine cannot win the war, why are we continuing to give them billions of dollars? You don't have to agree with me. By the way, I will take phone calls if anybody out there can make the case. These are, to me, the two most important points that need to be analyzed here. Can Ukraine win three years in? The answer is no. That doesn't mean that the Ukrainian men haven't fought bravely. That doesn't mean that Ukraine doesn't have the right to defend itself. Those are different questions. The question at the most basic level is, can they win? The answer to me is no. And I don't think that anybody out there could argue Ukraine can win. If you already know how the war ends, Ukraine's going to lose. Why should we be giving billions of dollars in taxpayer money to allow Ukraine to continue to lose more slowly? What is the benefit to the American taxpayer? Why should my dollars go to Ukraine? Why should your dollars go to Ukraine? This war should end right now. There should be a ceasefire again. The next step becomes, where is the line drawn? Where is the squiggly line on the map drawn? And those negotiations might take months, they might take years. But once you're in the process of negotiating where the line is, and I would submit to you, it's probably somewhat akin that line to where the lines between the troops are right now, why would you continue the war in any way Usually when one side knows it can't win, the war ends. I'm not defending Russia invading Ukraine. I'm not saying that I like Vladimir Putin at all. I'm merely saying he's going to win. Isn't it in the best interests of America for the war to end and for us to stop spending tons of our money, billions and billions of our dollars, on a war that Ukraine can't win? This ceasefire should be signed today. What Trump is doing in saying this publicly is he's actually also giving Russia room to win the war on its side, too. Because as I laid out earlier, you can't buy into this Disney fied era of our media where we say, oh, Ukraine is all that's good and pure and Russia is all that's evil and rotten. Because then how do you bring this to a conclusion? And I used as an example a divorce negotiation. It's very rare that each in a divorce, some of you have been through them. It's very rare in a divorce that each side is equally at fault. News flash. Usually the husband or the wife is worse and they're the cause more so than the other person, of the relationship ending. But if you spend a lot of time on fault, it makes it very difficult to get the divorce realized. That's why no fault divorce came to be, because you don't spend all the time sitting around trying to figure out all of the things that happened in the past that were awful and trying to assign a portionable blame as a result. You simply go back and say, hey, let's stop the fighting. Let's get a solution. That's where we are. This war has been fought. There is no doubt who is going to win. It is Russia. The question is, where is the line going to be drawn? And arguably, and I think it's right, telling the public, telling the world, telling Zelensky to his face that exact truth instead of leaking it through the New York Times or the Washington Post so he could read it in the newspaper later. I think is going to hasten the ceasefire taking place. Now, some of you may not like the way that it played out. Some of you may say, well, this should all occur behind closed doors. None of this should be in public. You could make that argument, but that's not really the way that Trump has ever behaved as a president. The Trump that you get in public is not very different than the Trump that you get in private. He's basically the same guy all the time. I think that's one reason it's very hard to attack him because the American public has come to understand, for better or worse, what a day to day Trump existence is like. I think what Trump did today is going to make it more likely that there will actually be peace in Ukraine. Ok, we'll open up phone lines. I will let all of you react. You don't have to agree with me. Maybe you think I'm missing something. 800-282-2882. The First Amendment, as always, alive and well on the Clay and Buck Show. I want to tell you as we get ready to roll through this final hour. And thank you. There's also some drama down in state of Florida. Remember we had Byron Donald's on Wednesday. He's announced that he's going to run for governor. Do you know who else might be running? Casey DeSantis. Before everything blew up in the Oval Office, I thought we were going to spend a decent amount of time talking about this. I'll play some audio for you of that for those of you in the Sunshine State. And I know a lot of you listening are there got some drama, maybe big drama coming in next year's presidential election. I'll lay out exactly what that was. 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Kris Kobach
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