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Welcome back in. It is the start of a new week. We appreciate all of you who are beginning Monday with us. Let's have some fun as we roll throughout the course of another week here with all of you. We appreciate all the time that you spend with us and it was a bombshell of a week last week with Minneapolis News, Iran News, the Greenland Talk, the continued fallout of Venezuela. All of that still continuing. Several things we'll be tracking over the course of this week. There's actually a Supreme Court case, I can't believe it has come to this. On whether men should be able to compete in women's sports. That is being argued tomorrow. Uh, there is the possibility we could get some rulings from the Supreme Court on the Tariff case this week as well. But, Buck, the larger context of the Minneapolis ice shooting took over much of pop culture over the course of the weekend. Whether it was sports, whether it was the Golden Globes. And I thought I would play some of this for you because the dishonesty that is coming out across the pop culture landscape, that I think deserves to be called out. And frankly, I think you need to know what your kids or grandkids might be hearing. Inside of the world of entertainment and sports, pop culture writ large, here is Wanda Sykes. She is a comedian wearing a pin to honor Renee Good, who she says, well, just listen to what she had to say. Cut 11. This is last night in Hollywood, of course.
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This is for the mother who was murdered by ice agent. And it's really sad. And, you know, I know people are out marching and all today, and we need to speak up. We need to be out there and shut this. This rogue government down, because it's. It's just awful what they're doing to people.
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Okay, that was in the Golden Globes, Buck. I want to play a couple of these. This is crazy, and I'm not surprised by it, But I think a lot of you may be sort of in disbelief that this would happen. Golden State warriors basketball coach Steve Kerr, in the aftermath of an NBA game, had this to say. This is cut 19. Him going after ice again. This is a sports press conference after a basketball game. Cut 19.
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I'm glad that the Timberwolves, you know, recognized, you know, her life and the tragic nature of her death. And it's shameful, really, that in our country, we can have law enforcement officers who commit murder and seemingly get away with it. It's shameful that the government can come out and lie about what happened when there's video and witnesses who have all come out and disputed what the government is saying. So very demoralizing, devastating to lose anyone's life, especially in that matter. So it's terrible, terribly sad for her family and for her and for that city. And I'm glad the Timberwolves came out and expressed that sadness.
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All right, and then here is cut 20. This is Milwaukee Bucks head coach Doc Rivers, another NBA coach, in another post game press conference. For those of you who are not sports fans, this is where the coaches come and just answer questions about what happened in the game and answer questions players do typically. Here is Doc Rivers. He is the Milwaukee Bucks head coach.
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Listen, what happened in Minnesota is. Was straight up murder, in my opinion. And it's awful. You know, it's like lady was probably trying to go home and she didn't make it home. And that's really sad. So this, the whole ice thing is. It's a travesty. You know, it's clearly to me, it's where we're attacking brown people. And I just happen to be brown. And I don't think it should just be brown people who are upset at this. I think we all have to be. I don't care what side of this thing you are on politically. What's going on in our country right now is absolutely wrong. As far as the race stuff, the politics. I'm not going to get into the race stuff. I will. And it's just wrong and we have to do something. But the only thing we can do right now is keep speaking up because it doesn't seem like they care. And that's troublesome.
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Okay, Buck, that is Golden Globes and the NBA. So entertainment and sports craziness all. Much of what those guys said was factually inaccurate. In particular, Doc river saying she was just trying to go home. I mean, there's a video of her parking her car perpendicular in the road and blowing the horn for three minutes. But how do you respond to this? What should, what should happen here? I got a couple of big thoughts on the NBA front, but I'm curious your reaction to all three of those clips that obviously took over the pop culture weekend.
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Oh, there's so many things, Clay. One is that it is certainly possible to be a top level NBA coach making tens of millions of dollars in your career to coach a kid's game. And I say that with love. Kids games can be great, but you can also be a moron and be a head NBA coach. That is definitely the case or it's true really of any professional sport. But the NBA is showing us that you can be a person of no virtue, wisdom or knowledge whatsoever about the world around you, but you can still be good at coaching basketball. It's also a reminder of why I don't watch the NBA. And I understand it's. Some people might argue, well, it's not fair to punish all the players. Well, okay, where are the players who think that this is gross, by the way? There are none really who will speak out. We all know that. And if there one does, we'll all hear about it because it would be so rare. So I don't like the NBA and this is a large part of why. Although I also think it's turned into a kind of boring pick and roll three point shooting contest. That's A whole nother part of the conversation I miss. I missed the NBA of the 90s, the Jordan era, and I've abandoned it as a result. Clay, the other part of this that really bothers me though is that this has nothing to do with, with people who are morally outraged at what they call murder. If I walked around and sat with every single person that we could play clips from over the weekend what they think about Harold Harper's murder, they would have no idea what I was talking about. Absolutely no idea. And you might sit there and say, well, hold on a second, Buck, I don't know either. Yeah, and that's on purpose. Harold Harper was killed here in my home state of Florida just a few days ago. He was gardening in his yard. He's A white guy, 64 years old, a random black guy, 29 years old, walked up behind him with a pistol and murdered him execution style in his own yard while he was gardening. No contact, no conversation, nothing. Nothing. Now you might say, well, hold on a second. That's like the most horrible thing I've ever heard. By the way, state of Florida, we don't mess around here. Second degree murder. This guy's going to go away for the rest of his life. But this situation happens thousands and thousands of times over across the country. This situation of a random person murdering somebody, in this case black on white crime is a far, far bigger issue by the numbers than this woman who not only was shot and it was, it was lawful, but the more information we find out about this, she was kind of a lunatic agitator. There's video that shows this quite clearly. The, the ICE officer did nothing wrong. So, Clay, why is it then that they focus so much? Why does this thing that happened in Minnesota capture the imagination, the attention of all these idiot celebrities in Hollywood and all these moron NBA coaches and all the rest of them. It's because they get to be make believe civil rights hero for the day. They get to pat themselves on the back. This is about standing up against a policy that is targeting brown people. It's racist. Therefore I'm the good guy. That's all this is. The actual facts of the case mean nothing to them. They will not change their minds. And they're actually not outraged by heinous murder, which is not what happened in Minnesota anyway, because heinous murders happen every day that they could care less about.
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I think that's all very well said on the NBA front. I actually have a potentially provocative go figure take on this that I think would be really interesting. Both of these guys said that this ICE agent committed murder. That's a pretty defamatory thing to say. Now, the standard of. The standard of legality when it comes to defamation in public cases like this is quite high. But the NBA mandates that coaches do post game press conferences. This is a part of their contract. They have to show up, they have to answer questions. If they do not do it, they get fined. I think there is an argument to be made that, and I'm not sure again that he would win. But if this ICE agent file filed a defamation lawsuit against not only these NBA coaches but also their teams and the league, I think it could lead to some really interesting outcomes here. Because, look, I think there should be consequences when you say inflammatory things that are not supported by the evidence here. Ok? Murder in this case, it should not be charged. And I think it quite evidently, based on the videos that have come out, should not be charged. Doc Rivers was 100% wrong when he's saying, oh, this woman's just trying to get home and she gets murdered. That didn't happen at all. There's no basis in fact whatsoever for that.
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She blocked her car for minutes aggressively on video. She blocked rather ICE agents with her car. She was obstructing. She was breaking the law. And really, Clay, what this comes down to is that Democrats have convinced themselves that laws they do not like don't count. Yeah, that's it.
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And think about what the law they don't like is. It's that people who are illegally here, oftentimes having committed violent crimes shouldn't be arrested by ICE and removed. Removed from our country. I mean, that's a crazy thing to try to stand in front of and keep from actually happening.
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You could add to that. They think that if they don't like a cop enforcing the law, you can just stand in. You know, think of the way you could play this game, right? Oh, a cop is. A cop is chasing somebody down the street. Fleeing felon. And I run and I play the like, oh, oh, I play like defensive linemen for the fleeing felon. That's obstruction. Ok? It's not OK that I run and try to block the cop from tackling the bad guy. That's exactly what they're doing here. And they think they have some moral right to do it and they don't. And we saw how they treat people that trespass on their sacred day of January 6th. Sending the f. The only thing the FBI was apparently able to do of any consequence during Biden's four years in office was track down nonviolent J6 protesters and. And the ones who assaulted the cops, because people get assaulted, or rather cops get assaulted by leftist lunatics day in and day out, and they don't send the FBI after them. In fact, Kamala raises money for them.
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Not only that, they want more of these situations. I saw this clip, and I figured we would grab it. This is a woman standing. Several women standing in front of an ICE agent making loud noise, banging drums, screaming directly in the face of ICE agents as they're trying to do their job. Listen to what they're having to put up with right now in Minneapolis and other blue cities out there. Cut 21. I mean, this is organized protest chaos. And it's designed to try to lead ICE agents to doing exactly what happened. They want people to get shot and killed. That is their goal here. And they're putting people in these situations and trying to create them.
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They also recognize that their plan, which was to replace the American voter with third worlders as fast as possible, people say, oh, but they don't. They can't vote. Really? Okay, let's put aside the voter fraud component for a second. They have kids here. And then, guess what? They raised the kids to vote for amnesty. They push the Democrat Party in whatever way they can to vote for amnesty. You have states that are giving illegals money for health care and a whole range of other things that rely on federal dollars. So you're paying for it, too, I might add. The whole scam is starting to come apart because the Trump administration is, in fact, keeping its promise. One, securing the border. That's a plus. They've already done that. The harder, longer part is the deportations. They're doing it. It's not as fast as I would want it to be, but, you know, I'm not going to complain when they're the only ones that have been willing to take up this fight in a meaningful sense. And they are. And they're ramping it up, Clay, and they're getting better at it. And it's only year one in the book so far.
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Yeah, look, it's 2.5 million, it seems, of the 20 million. That's a number that Tom Holman told me, so that's the one I'm referencing. He thinks 20 million illegals were in the country when Donald Trump came into office in January of last, and that so far we have gotten rid of about 2.5 million of those illegals. That would suggest, Buck, that even if we kept this exact same pace, that half of those Illegals would still be here at the end of the Trump term. And you have to be concerned, and this is the big part too, that they'll just open the border back up as soon as they end up president again.
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I, I usually, I'm the one that throws the cynicism out there. So I appreciate that Clay is pointing out this time that this could be a mess. However, Clay, I do think what you said is absolutely true. But what is really important is just as with border security, now we see what is possible. Now it is beyond a doubt that they made a choice not to secure their border before it can be done, because it has been done. If Trump deports and helps or, you know, pushes for self deportation, 5 million, 8 million, whatever the number ends up being, the next presidential election happens with us saying, hey guys, we got 6 million illegals to leave. How about 6 million more? Do you see what. You know what I mean?
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Yeah.
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This point, it's impossible. We can't do anything.
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I just think that they are going to immediately go right back to open borders if I'm slapping that black pill.
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Out of your hand. No black pill here. We're not, we're not giving up, Clay. It's going to, it's going to be.
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We got to win multiple races in a row because I think they will go right back to the same policies if they end up in a position of power again.
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Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. So they've decided to make this a big issue. I think it's the ICE shooting in Minnesota. Notice the Portland shooting they're making.
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Well, no one died. That's a big part of it. To be fair.
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I think they were just wounded. But there were also Trenda Aragua members. So you have, you have people that aren't even supposed to be in America at all who are also, while illegally here breaking a whole range of our laws in addition to their illegality. And the Democrats don't want them to leave either. The Democrats are on the trinity. Aragua gets to stay team over the ICE gets to enforce the law. And this is, this is showing the American people something very important. We've said this for a long time. Democrats have pretended to be largely in line with Republicans when it comes to things like, broadly speaking, wanting border security, broadly speaking, wanting to deport illegal alien criminals. Right. So we have to add that. That's. So that's you're here illegally and you, you know, killed somebody with vehicular homicide because you were blowing, you know, 0.25 or something. Right. I mean, these are the things that we thought we were supposed to have agreement with. We don't at all. Actually, Democrats don't want any of that. They want to import the third world. They want to change the country as rapidly as they can. They want the lawlessness, they want the fraud, they want the government dependence, they want gender, race, communism, and this is how they think they can bring it about. And that's what's going on. But I bring you, Clay, some of the, some of the leading spokespersons of the left, including members of Congress, and how they speak about this. Representative Ilhan Omar, you know, she's going to take a radical view on this one. She's a Somali refugee to this country. Doesn't really. Do you ever sense that she is grateful for America?
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Have you ever seen it in any.
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Have you ever seen her give a speech where she's like, you know, this country's amazing. Somalia is a hellhole, which it is, by the way. But this country's amazing. Thank you, America, for. No, no. Not how she approaches it. And yet here she is speaking about our law enforcement agents. This is cut 14. Play it.
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This agent, as you see, gets out of his car, automatically starts running towards her, trying to open her door. She's flee. She tries to turn the wheel away. And then you see the other officer, who can clearly see the car is moving, move towards the front of the car, which if they are saying that he has 10 years on service and is trained, he should know that you shouldn't be trying to get in front of a moving car. And so it is not acceptable for Kristi Noem and the president and the vice president to make these kind of judgments without there being a full investigation.
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Clay, she just said, the problem here is the ICE agent should know to dive out of the way of the car that's trying to run them over and get away. This is. This is now where we are. This is. This is a step away from the cop. Should know to dodge the bullet when the gang member fires it at him like it's on him.
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Here's. Here's my big take here. As we have surged a thousand more ICE agents. I've got two potentially controversial, so get your popcorn takes here. One, everyone who shows up and tries to obstruct an ICE investigation should be arrested on the spot immediately. Because what they are trying to do is create the situation like occurred that cost this woman her life. So there should be, number one, no lenient treatment at all for people who decide that they're going to show up and try to combat the. The. The ICE agents from being able to do their job? Just like, again, I've made this argument. I haven't heard anybody point back and, and even argue otherwise. What would the reaction be if this instead of ice, had been the Minneapolis police and they were conducting a raid to arrest someone in Minneapolis who had violated the law, and this woman had shown up and parked her car perpendicular on the. On the street and started honking her horn. I think she would have been arrested for obstructing the investigation by the Minneapolis police, as well she should have. Why would she not be arrested? Why should every one of these individuals not be arrested? That's point one. Point two, I think the wife should be arrested. I haven't heard a lot of people talk about this, but drive, baby, drive. While also obstructing the ICE investigation, this woman who it appears her partner was listening to and then took off, she was the incentive. She was the part of the culprit of the way this incident went down. And so to me, she committed a crime, too. Now, I'm not sure they're going to arrest her because I'm not sure they want to sort of accelerate this story. But to me, she is guilty of a crime as well. And I don't hear very many people talking about this. But to me, this compulsion that it seems to be mostly white liberal women feel to show up and try to combat ice, it's a crime and we should start treating it as such. You should be arrested when you show up and you in any way try to inhibit the ICE agents from being able to do their job. And by the way, here's a cut from Chicago. Now. This is from October. Our team pulled it. Superintendent of Police Larry Snelling, he's telling city residents basically what I'm telling you, which is do not create these situations. This is a threat and it can be lead to a response of deadly force. That again, this is from October, and I don't know what he'll say now if he were asked about it, but I thought this was well said back in October.
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Federal agents, ICE HSI are officers. They are agents of law enforcement. If you box them in with vehicles, it is reasonable for them to believe that they are being ambushed and that this could end in a deadly situation. And it's reasonable for them to use force based on those conditions. Do not box in any law enforcement officer. You are breaking the law when you do that and you are putting yourself in danger. If you ram any vehicle, especially that one that contains law enforcement agents, and that's any law enforcement, local, state, federal, county, and you do this intentionally, this is considered deadly force. And they can use deadly force in response to stop you.
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I mean, Clay, when I was in the CIA a long time ago, a young agent getting my. Not agent officers we know, but people say agent so much, even creeps into my verbiage. A young CIA officer. And you go to the Farm, which is our training facility. There have been books and movies written about it. There's a whole series of driving stuff. I know Clay's going to be like, you learn that stuff, Clay. Just because I don't deploy it, because I'm worried about your safety and trying to go the speed limit like a law abiding fellow, doesn't mean I don't know how to do these things. Although it's a perishable skill. I'm not going to. I'm not going to pretend like if you don't do that stuff and you aren't out there and you're not involved in driving in the third world and doing these kinds of things, you will forget. I mean, it's, it's like a sport. It's like anything else. The kind of is like high speed precision driving stuff. But Clay, part of what we learn and part of what anybody will learn in a government kind of secret agent man driving class is your car is.
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A very effective weapon.
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I don't know why these Democrats pretend like we don't know this. Cars have been used exclusively, meaning just cars, in mass casualty terrorist attacks. A car used as a weapon is incredibly lethal and can cause a mass casualty.
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It just happened in the Milwaukee suburbs not very long ago. I know nobody wants to talk about it, but you remember the black guy who decided that he wanted to pull through and kill all those innocent people at the parade?
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Yeah, yeah. 80 people died. It was a truck. But 80 people died in Nice, France during the Bastille Day celebrations because of a terrorist. There was a terrorist in New York City. I think it was just a pickup. It was a rented U Haul pickup truck. And he drove on the. Near the west side highway and ran over a bunch of people. My point is, it is clearly a lethal incident. If somebody decides they're going to run you over and you as a law enforcement officer don't have to make the determination, are they trying to run me over or are they just going to run me over because they have forced this situation. You were allowed to defend yourself.
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Yeah, look. And it was only a year ago we had the awful terror attack in New Orleans on New Year's Eve, right as New Year's Day began, remember, in the French Quarter, I think it was.
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We can't even remember all the vehicle terror attacks. There's so many of them. And vehicles are a very effective weapon.
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Yeah, yeah. And so in conjunction with that, and I think this is an important part of the story as well, the guy got dragged by someone in a car trying to obstruct an ICE procedure just in the last year. So do you think that he might be. Have been uniquely aware of the dangers of vehicles? More so than most. And again, I think when you watch this entire thing in context, and I don't know if anybody has put all these different clips together so that you could go watch it, it showing up and honking her horn for three minutes while being perpendicular on the road as they are conducting the ICE raid, the ICE investigation, honking her horn, dancing along to it. The fact that she got trained to Try to. I mean, why are we not prosecuting these people who are training these activists to show up and try to obstruct ICE procedures, ICE raids. Like all of this seems very clear. Like, who's paying for this? How is it was lied about a grand criminal conspiracy.
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It was lied about on purpose. They lied about her being a legal observer. They lied about her being a mom on her way to the grocery store. I mean, none of that, if you saw the video, made any sense at all. It was clear very early on this was an intentional confrontation staged by the woman and her partner. And the whole point though, Clay, is that they have 24 hours to get people who are low information, who are emotionally easy to manipulate, to get them all riled up about this stuff. And then they've, then they're committed. And it's very hard to get people to admit that they were fooled and that they were wrong 100%. You're seeing, you're seeing a lot of this with this incident where people that made this their, their big cause before knowing anything. They don't really want to look themselves in the mirror and be like, I'm kind of a moron. And didn't wait for the facts and couldn't figure out what was going on here early on because it was pretty clear, remember?
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And I give credit to Aisha Hasny. I was on her show Saturday. She's got a new show on Fox News. But Axios had a story up in the summer saying that the goal of Democrats was to get people shot at these protests. Their goal was to get activist shot so that they could try to shut this down. They wanted this to happen. That is the goal under which they are doing all of this training and why they are engaging in the behavior that they did because they want something just like this to happen.
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Anything goes. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back in hour number three, Monday Edition. CLAY travis, BUCK SEXTON SHOW We've talked about a lot so far, the continued fallout in Minneapolis, the way that has been responded at the Golden Globes in the NBA and report coming tomorrow on a transports case. But we haven't talked about very much yet Iran. And I want to jump in here now and talk about why I think, and I bet Buck will sign off on it. This could potentially be the biggest story going on in the world right now, depending on exactly how it is going to go from here. There have been roughly two weeks of anti fascist, anti fascist, anti theocratic government leadership against the Ayatollah who has been in power in Iran since 1979. And Buck, I want to start with this idea that I want everybody to just think about because I think it ties in with what you and I have correctly deduced as the identity politics governing much of the choices being made on the left in America. Have you seen a single major campus protest in support of the Iranian protesters anywhere in America so far? And I say that because the Iranian government has killed, it appears, thousands of innocent protesters who have taken to the streets of Iran. They're furious because the overall inflation rate has gone out of control in the wake of the 12 day war against Israel, which demonstrated just how futile Iranian military power truly was. Many people are saying, we are fed up. This protest started among people who are selling goods in markets and they basically said the inflation rate has skyrocketed to such extent that they're having to change prices so often that the Iranian currency has become effectively valueless. And all of these merchants, all of these retailers Said we're over it. They shut down, they refused to sell their goods. That's where this protest started. It has since spread everywhere. But I want all of you to take note who saw campus protests from UCLA to Columbia and just about all points in between. There hasn't been at least that I've seen any campus protests that have taken over at O at all in favor of the Iranian people. And that is I think, and I bet you would sign off on this buck because the Jews are seen as white and they were the bad guys when it came to Palestine and everything that was going on in Gaza. And when it's actual brave Iranians standing up against the Iranian government, there isn't an identity politics coalition for stupid leftists in America to be able to jump on the bandwagon of. And so a lot of people are just pretending this isn't happening. Now granted, it's also difficult cuz we don't have a ton of footage because they have shut down the Internet, they've shut down phones, they've shut down the Iranian theocratic leadership under the Ayatollah has. So people aren't able to get information out as easily. But it is really markedly different when we compare the way that these two situations have been treated.
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The challenge for so many on the left in this country and the Democrats, all of them, is in some of these international incidents there are clear echoes of domestic policy and narratives that proliferate among Democrats here in this country. And it causes problems for them. Example is Venezuela. What happened to Venezuela? Right. I'm going to get to Iran in a second, of course. But what happened in Venezuela is socialism and social justice, essentially class warfare. The country unfortunately, through democratic processes, embraced a platform of central planning, class warfare and social justice that took the largest proven oil reserves in the world and made them essentially a pittance when it came to dealing with. Because they can't actually pump the oil out and all these other problems, but they can ruin anything. Communism can destroy anything. Right. Well the other side of this is that in Iran you have a country that was never colonized. So there's really no anti colonial rhetoric that makes any sense. It's never been a colony of the United States and you have Persians, not Arabs. But that's a distinction that a lot of people won't even get into. But they've been running their own show there for quite some time and they've ruined it. And an Islamic theocracy unfortunately is going to run into these problems. And Iran has done things to its own people you know, we're always in this. In this world of whatever America does, and however America messes things up, it's always our fault. It's always our fault. What you see in Iran and with the uprising, Clay, is the people of Iran, yes. Are saying that this revolutionary, very Islamic by its own designation, government, is a disastrous, tyrannical failure top to bottom on all counts. Now, given that reality, why is it that there has been so much of a focus in the UN for example, on resolutions against Israel? Why has there been such a focus on the misadventures of America in the Middle east without taking into account the fact that Iran has been a state sponsor of terror all over the world, and especially in the Middle east for longer than you and I have been alive, while ruining the country for its people, while being a disaster. Basically, it's an Islamic state, different kind of Islamic state, but it's an Islamic state failure and it can't be avoided anymore. It also reminds everybody the Obama administration gambit on the Middle east was anything, Clay, anything to get a nuclear deal with Iran, and then things will get peaceful. Because the alternative to that is World War 3. The World War III people are wrong. The World War III people are actually consigning the Iranian people to perpetual misery unless there is an uprising like this.
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Not only are they wrong, they are exactly. It's one thing to be wrong. Like you can think what's going to happen in an event ends up being different. There's different levels of wrongness. They're so wrong that they're actually working against the basic interests of the Iranian people and of global freedom around the world. And now here is the next question that is going to come out. Iran has shown that it will kill thousands of protesters when they take to the streets, that they are willing to indiscriminately rain down holy hell and their citizens who are fighting for basic freedoms. And also pointing out what I think is really significant, which is it's not, as you go back and watch, and I would encourage people to just do Google searches on this, go back and look at what Iran in the 1970s under the Shah was like. Women walking around in dresses and skirts, not having to wear hijabs, high levels of education for the citizenry there. The theocracy of Iran has not only been a complete and total failure when it comes to the basic freedoms of the people of Iran, it's destroyed the entirety of their economy. And again, it's somewhat similar, I would say, to Venezuela, because this is a country that is Incredibly benefited. And it is very fortunate to have huge natural resources of oil. And so they have the ability to have a successful society. They've had one before, back in the 1970s, much like Venezuela. It is evidence of how far left wing politics destroys everything that it touches. And so what should we do, Buck, when it comes to trying to support the protesters, which President Trump has said he is willing to do, should we have more strikes in Iran? Should we. What is the actual, tangible, if any, result that you think the United States should be involved in in Iran going forward right now? Because let me also lay it out for people out there. There is an argument, and it may or may not be true, I don't know, that if the United States gets involved in any way, it could strengthen the Iranian government because it allows them to say, oh, this is just external factors trying to diminish the success of the Iranian government. This isn't a organic growth opposition from inside the country. This is the United States, this is Israel going forward. Already, I think these protests have come about because of the strikes. What should we do now? That is what the President and his advisers are weighing.
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Well, that's a very, that's a legitimate, tough question.
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Yeah.
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I would like to say. Well, I'll say this first. It is okay to say that something like this, and it's not just because I'm saying it. I say this about a whole range of things. It's complicated, it's hard because you can make a decision with the best of knowledge and intentions that based on the extreme variability of these circumstances could blow up in your face. So you can have some guiding principles. But even the best guiding principles about whether it's non interventionism or an aversion to coup involvement or coup plotting or all these different things. Okay, well, we also know that we blew up the nuclear program and nothing happened. Right. So, yeah, so there's, it's not as easy as just this is what the smart people think and therefore it's right or wrong. I think in the case of Iran, it would be obviously fantastic for the, for the Islamic revolution to fail and collapse at the hands of the Iranian people. And you know, you hear this because you have a really robust Iranian American community of people who fled. A lot of them are people who fled. I mean, you go around the LA.
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Area, for example, legitimately fled because they might have been killed if they had stayed in the country. This is real asylum seekers.
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So they're, they're refugees. I mean, there are people that had to take refuge, just like the Cubans here in South Miami who left because they didn't want to be part of Castro's authoritarian dictatorship. I mean, you'll notice there's this belief in left wing circles that all, well, America is bad and all other, all other governments are better than, or at least as good as America. And that's, that's a crazy belief not rooted in any actual reality. The Israeli, the Iranian regime is an evil regime. They do evil constantly. They have ways of rationalizing it, but they do evil externally and internally and they're bad at what they do. You know, you can talk a lot. I mean, people will say, what about Saudi Arabia? Or like, what about China? Those countries do things that I also think are immoral and bad and wrong. But those countries aren't run by complete and utter morons. Yeah, I'm just saying in terms of the results, it's not about iq, but it's in terms of the results, Iran is a disaster. Yes, it is a disaster on the scale of Venezuela is a disaster as a country. So at least in the case of something like Saudi, which is, by the way, in the process of liberalizing, not a lot, but it is under Mohammed bin Salman, it is, you know, allowing women some greater freedoms. And there are some things happening there. It's a little bit of a more nuanced picture, but it's still an authoritarian theocracy. But they're building a lot of stuff, Clay. It is safe, it is clean, and it is a very robust economy because of its energy exports. Iran is a disaster.
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Yes.
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So it offers even the people of Iran nothing. And this is where the left in this country, which loves to blame America, Iran is not America's fault. Iran is the Shia Iranian Islamic theocracy's fault.
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Here's another angle on that, Buck. A lot of the countries, I believe in the Middle east actually prefer the Ayatollah in control because they know he's an incompetent leader and that Iran offers no actual danger or threat to them because of their incompetence. In other words, you don't know who's going to replace the Ayatollah. We always like to think, oh, it's going to get better. Sometimes the leader that replaces the bad leader is worse. Now, this is much less significant. But Chicago did it, right? Everybody's like, no, there's no way they could do worse than Lori Lightfoot. And then they went and got Brandon Johnson. Right. Sometimes replacing a failed leader does not lead to a better place. So you also have to, to your point, on the insert uncertainty, I don't know what the situation is in terms of who would rise up to be the next leader. Now we've reached out to the Shah of Iran, who is. We have actually reached out to Reza Pavlovi. I'm probably mispronouncing his name, as I always do for these names, but he is saying, based on what I have seen, hey, I'm willing to be sort of a bridge to a more democratic Iran because people have a fond recollection now of the Shah's leadership because there were basic human rights that did exist when that happened in the 70s.
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To your point about things and what will happen afterwards, it is hard in this case to imagine a regime that if this doesn't mean that like someone else takes over as the mullah, Right. Or this isn't. It's not like, oh, we have another Khomeini. If it's somebody from the established regime right now, that's not actually a new regime. Right. So if you have though, someone who's truly outside the system right now governing or even a temporary disintegration of governance at some level, which I think is what really is concerning a Libya, like a post Gaddafi Libya or a pre and post Assad Syria, I mean, these are, these are the things that people weigh on their minds when they're looking at all of this. But Clay, it is hard to imagine a regime that would be worse than what Iran has been been suffering under since 1979. It's hard to fathom how that could be possible.
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I agree. And so that comes back to what should we do? And hey, I bet we have a bunch of Iranian listeners. If you are listening to us right now and you are have family in Iran or you feel like you are fairly well plugged in with the situation in Iran, we would love to hear from. Because, Buck, you and I were talking about this off air before we started the show. I said, hey, do you have anybody who's really good on Iran and that we could come on and bring on as a guest? And you said, no. And I don't know anybody. The challenge is information is so difficult to get out of Iran. It's. You made the analogy. It's somewhat similar. Nor it's like North Korea, like, who's a really great expert on North Korea? Well, it's basically a closed, you know.
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Fear, you know, not going a lot of people in media that know much more than other because we're all just reading and observing and learning. There's not a lot of firsthand experience that many people bring to their and even those will say, oh, like CNN. I'm sure Anderson Cooper's like, I've been to Tehran 10 times. Yeah. With handlers going to the places you were allowed to go, seeing what you were allowed to see and not able to say what you wanted to say. So, you know, I mean, it doesn't really, there's, there's not a lot of great voices on this one in the media right now to point to who have deep expertise. But we'll see, we'll, we'll see if we can get somebody on that's particularly astute on this. We have a high bar.
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Welcome back in Ask and ye shall receive a lot of Iranian callers, people who were born in Iran or have fled Iran in the wake of the 1979 revolution that put the Ayatollahs into power are weighing in and we've got several callers who want to give us their perspectives on the situation that is currently playing out in Iran. Up first Shaw in Clarksville, Indiana. You said you've been in the U.S. since 1975 but lived in Iran before that. What are you hearing from friends and family back in Iran? What is the best thing that the United States could do from your perspective?
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I was born in Iran. First of all, it's an honor to talk to you gentlemen. I was born in Iran, immigrated to the United States, became a legal citizen and have been rooting for a regime change in Iran ever since Iranians made a blunder by bringing this Khomeini to power 40 years, 46 years ago now. But now they want to correct that course. And we are looking at the Berlin Wall moment. If this regime falls, and they need the help, if this regime falls, not only is Iran will become a calm, cool country, not investing in terrorism and all that, but I think it's going to be a seismic change in how the world views Islam and leftism. Because what brought these two in power was the communists and leftists organized by, you know, throughout the Soviet years in Germany and all that, as well as the mollahs who had the influence within the society. But Iranians have grown out of it. Those people are in power because of sheer force and brutality. And Iranians are peaceful people. We've been. There's 19 million Iranians back home. And we want to change. We cannot. It's a failed state right now. And if the United States and Israel can help us bring about a change, and I'm not talking about boots on the ground, but strategic strikes against this structure of the. Of the regime in Iran, I'm telling you, Iran would be the shining city on the hill in the Middle East.
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So if that means, just to be clear, if, for example, and I think it's very important and wise that you establish that boots on the ground, you're not asking for that. You don't want that. And we, you know, I think America, the lesson we learned is in Iraq and Afghanistan, you can't have 10th Mountain and 82nd Airborne and the Marines, the Army, all these guys walking around villages trying to build them for the people that live there. Like, that's not what we're doing. Right. And everyone agrees, I think that, or everyone should agree, that in Iran, that's not what the Iranian people want. That's not what we want. But hitting the besieged headquarters, IRGC facilities, things like that, in response to, I mean, they've killed hundreds, probably thousands now of protesters just opening fire on them. So going after some choke points, if you will, or some precise strike points against the regime, you want that? If Trump did that, you and many Iranians, I assume that you're friends with Iranian Americans you're friends with, would be clapping for that. Is that right?
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We would put Trump's statue in the main streets of Iran. We would praise him. He would do the second. Cyrus, the great moment for Iran, for the world history, for the Jewish people, for the whole civilized world. And there is a plan in place. You have 10 million Iranians that fled. 90% of them are willing to invest in Iran. They're technocrats and they're supporting Reza Shah Pahlavi. We want to give back to Reza Shah Pahlavi the opportunity for Iran to become a progressive nation, a pro Western nation. And he has had conferences. He's got connections within the Iranian community and elsewhere. He's international figure that Iran can easily become a civilized country, I'm telling you.
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Thank you so much for the call. We got several people who want to weigh in. That was an Indiana caller who was born in Iran. You could hear the passion in his voice. Mansoor in New York City came to the US in 1979, right about as the revolution happened. My sore what was Iran like before the revolution? So when you were in Iran Prior to 1979, what was the country like then? What should, in your mind, it be like going forward? And what can the United States do to help get Iran to where it should be?
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First of all, guys, thank you for having me on. Long time wrestling. Rush and Russia will be happy to have smiling and what you guys have done in the past few years on this show. I came here in 1979, right around January, actually, exactly on January 11, 1980. We left Iran in December of 1979 after all the schools closed down. First and foremost, all day long I've been listening to TV and radio and a lot of people may be misinformed saying that the Shah was a brutal dictator. He killed a lot of people. Let me correct that. If you go back to 1976, there's an interview of Mike Wallace on 60 Minutes, the Shah of Iran, where he basically came out and explained the situation in Iran, where Iran was, where it is right now and where it's going. And one of the points that he made in regards to what's going on with America, he said in America, the media, which you guys know very well, the media, Hollywood TV, is controlled by the Jewish Alliance. This was in 1976, one year to date. All the problems in Iran started. Now, the Jewish alliance that he was talking about is the same Jewish alliance that put Mandani in office in New York City, the same Islamic communists that took over Iran. The second point I want to make is when the trouble started in Iran, it was not a revolution. This is not a legal government because the Majlis, which is the Congress of Iran, never elected this group to come in. So this was a propaganda to get rid of. The Shah was a very popular figure in Iran and very powerful, figured up in the past seven years before he left Iran. And as a result, they needed to get rid of him. Because with this regime that came in or this occupying regime that came in, Iran gave away a lot of its resources to the world, to Russia, to United States, to Europe, which there's none left for us. Plus all the money that the mullahs made went to terrorism. And there are people living in the streets right now in Iran.
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So would you like to have the Shah back? What would in your ideal situation, Iran look like next year if everything could be you going back in time and the Shah is a bridge to a new, more democratic Iran? What should happen?
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I think millions of people are giving us an answer. They're saying Javish Shah, which means long leave the king. If Mohammed Reza Shah, the father was so bad, none of these people, old.
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And.
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New to politics, would never ask for Reza Shah to come back. They want Reza Shah to come back. Yes. And as Reza Shah has mentioned, he wants to be a bridge for the people to vote on what they want. Do they want a king? Do they want a democracy like it is in the United States presidency? He is putting that choice on the hands of the people. You can't ask for anything more. As an Iranian who's been here for 47 years.
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Okay.
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I can't ask for anything better than this. He's giving all the choice to the people of Iran.
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Thank you for the call. Getting a variety of perspectives. John in Long island, say you're a first generation American, but your dad came to the USA from Iran. What do you hear from your friends and family? What should America do? What should happen to Iran based on the conversations that you have with people from that country who are now here?
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Well, what I'm hearing is that one of the biggest problems is the military over there is really financially taken care of by the mullahs and the ayatollahs over there, which is what's protecting the government there. So obviously they don't have a second amendment in Iran. So these protests go on, but they don't have any other way to defend themselves. So I mean, from my perspective, I mean, I mean, I look at place like Egypt, when the Muslim Brotherhood came in there and that people were running over there were basically the ayatollahs and suits and the military had to come into Oustin because the people weren't having it. I wanted to know from Buck if he thinks there's any way that the military could possibly turn on the government there. Because I just don't see how like the Crown Prince could come back and just have a smooth transition into having, you know, elections or a referendum or something on a new government. Shouldn't there be some sort of way for the military to turn on them? Because my understanding is the ayatollah son seems like he wants to take over if he flees to Moscow.
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Well, it's a very. Look, you ask a great question, and of course you're talking about Iranian regimes. You want to talk to the CIA guy about coups, which is fine. Which is fine. As one does, I would say one of the big, you know, the biggest, historically. I've actually read some academic treatises, I guess, on this, like books that have been like multiliths or multiliths is what they call them. Right. Don't really get published, but kind of get published. You can find them on JSTOR and those kinds of places. The biggest threat to authoritarian regimes is a highly placed insider. Historically, it's actually not external intervention and it's not even an uprising of the people. The biggest threat, by the numbers is, you know, the guy who's the dictator or el capitan or el commandante or.
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Whatever, the palace coup.
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His. Yeah, his brother who runs the security services is like, you're done. You know, and maybe he gets sent to exile or maybe he sleeps with the fishes, but that's usually the biggest one. So the question in an Iranian context is, ok, you want the removal of this regime, but the regime is an apparatus. It's not an individual. It's not just the irgc. It's not just the besiege or like the. The street thugs. In Syria, they were called the shabiha, and in Iran, they're the. They're the besieged who are like, the Hitler Youth is broad. You know, that's not really it, but it's kind of like that. It's like the young thugs that beat people up for not obeying the Islamic revolution, yada, yada. So the besieged are bad dudes. They're like a militia. And you got to get rid of the people that run all of those things is my point, too.
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Right.
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It's not just like there's one guy who goes and everything.
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You get rid of the ayatollah. You can't. The government structure is still there. It's like the next guy comes up and it's a very similar system, probably. And this is one of the things about Venezuela, right?
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Yes. This is the problem becomes. Well, now, do you want someone who's already highly placed, who's willing to dramatically change Course for the regime is in a position where they're powerful enough to do so, get compliance from the existing apparatus to change course, not be killed or whatever themselves. This is where it gets very tricky because a lot of people have been not only bought into this because of their benefit from their access to the regime, but also their hands are dirtied by it.
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Yeah.
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Meaning that they were involved in the repression. They were. And those people get very. Now, look, it is possible the people will point to, like, what happened in Nazi Germany, for example. Yeah, we had trials and hanged people after the end of the war and we slaughtered a whole lot of ss. And I mean, that's like decimation. Not more than decimation, but that's. That's the annihilation of the regime. That wasn't just like, oh, Hitler's dead, everything's fine. Hitler, all of his buddies, they were all dead. Or we killed them.
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That was what. Or they were in prison for the rest of their lives.
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Right. But, you know, but they. They all got dealt with, though. Nobody was like, you know, this Himmler guy, let's give him a shot as Chancellor of Germany.
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Right, Right.
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So you have a similar situation with the ayatollahs and the Iranian regime. What's the. What's the. Is there a off ramp that would.
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Work with the existing structure?
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And this is just sort of General Coup 101 stuff. Not that I know about that. CIA stuff, we don't know. But coup 101 step, is there an off ramp? Venezuela, we're taking that right now. We're doing that off ramp thing of. Ok, we're going to use what's in place because we don't want Iraq getting rid of the Baath Party, which was like, everybody from the generals to the.
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Traffic cops, oh, sorry, you can't have.
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A hand in this.
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Well, that was a terrible idea.
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So in Iran, Clay, it's. It's going to be. It's tricky, but the more it is indigenous and authentic from within the Iranian people, the better. That is for sure.
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That is the.
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And the problem we ran into in Afghanistan is we're like, hey, we used to work with this guy back in the day against the Soviets. Let's just like, put him on a motorcycle and, like, drop him over the border in the country and, you know, hey, Hamid Karzai, what's going on, buddy? I mean, that doesn't work.
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Well, not only that, I mean, that wasn't one of the big hopes of Iraq. Iraq, was it? Ahmad Shalabi, like, this guy Sold. Yeah, sold. Everyone on, hey, I can run the country. There's actually a huge demand for Saddam to be replaced. And the reality was obviously the ethnic divisions, the different Muslim backgrounds, and then the Kurds, it turned into a huge disaster. I still kind of think, think that the way to have solved Iraq from the get go was actually to divide the country up into three different unique ethnic groups, give the Kurds their freedom, and divide Iraq in some way. I know there's lots of challenges, but that is why a lot of people out there are like, okay, what is the solution if the, if the Ayatollah gets overthrown? What is the next step? By the way, great calls, wide variety of perspectives. That's why I love opening up phone lines, because there aren't a lot of people with a great deal of expertise when it comes through with all of this. All right, we'll play a couple of cuts more to close up shop as this story continues to play out. I would encourage you guys to pay attention to it because I do think it could be in a Berlin Wall type moment if things were able to, to end up with the Ayatollah going away and the shock coming back and all these different moving parts. It could be transformative in many different ways. But I want to tell you, very easy and fun thing going on Monday Night Football, the final wild card game of the weekend. I bet Buck didn't watch any of them, but my goodness, the NFL playoff games over the weekend were fantastic. So enjoyable. And if you want to have a little bit more fun, I'll have picks for you with divisional round games coming up, four of them this weekend in the NFL. And you can now play prize picks in all 50 states. All you have to do is go to prizepix.com code clay prizepix.com clay you can get hooked up. $50 deposited in your account nationwide. Everybody can play when you play. $5. Florida, Georgia, Texas, Florida. I think I already said it once. California, if you're feeling left out, you can play now in all 50 states. Prizepix.com code clay pricepix.com Clay, get in there. I'll give you a pick this weekend. Let's have some fun with prize picks. Making America great again isn't just one man, it's many. The Team 47 podcast, Sundays at noon Eastern in the Clay and Buck podcast feed. Find it on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.
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The NFL playoffs are here and wild card weekend, powered by Verizon, is almost.
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Three true man it all comes down to this.
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The stakes are high, hopes are higher, and everything is on the line.
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My goodness.
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It's win or go home and every moment counts on the road to Super Bowl 60. It's a touchdown wild card weekend. Powered by Verizon today at 8pm Eastern. Visit watch.NFL.com for the full schedule.