Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Jan 14 2026

Summary

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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Daily Review with Clay and Buck – January 14, 2026
Hosts: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton
Featured Guest: Congressman Jim Jordan
Podcast by: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

This episode is anchored by the urgency of world events—particularly the unfolding crisis in Iran—as Clay Travis reports live from Washington D.C. after a visit to the White House, and Buck Sexton joins from Miami. With featured guest Rep. Jim Jordan, the hosts dissect breaking news in U.S. politics, delve into election stakes, tackle administration conduct (including the Jack Smith special counsel probe), and explore both domestic fraud scandals and escalating global crises with humor and insight.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. White House Visit & Trump Messages

• Clay recounts his recent Oval Office experience, noting changes in presidential biographies and Trump’s direct greetings to the Clay & Buck audience.
• Humorous banter ensues about dress codes, with references to past visits and Clay’s infamous sandals.

“He wanted me to tell you all that he said hi, that he's going to come on the show again soon with us…”
— Clay Travis [17:50]

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2. Interview with Congressman Jim Jordan (00:04–15:30)

a) Recent Congressional Achievements & Election Stakes

• Jordan highlights GOP achievements, especially Trump’s fulfillment of campaign promises (e.g., tax cuts, border security, stopping Iran’s nuclear plans).
• Emphasizes need to remind voters “how crazy the left is,” referencing Minnesota's fraud scandals and national implications.

“I always say we make the job too complicated. It’s pretty basic. What’d you tell the voters you were gonna do? Do it.”
— Jim Jordan [01:30]

b) Concerns over Jack Smith & DOJ Actions

• Jordan blasts Special Counsel Jack Smith for obtaining Speaker Kevin McCarthy’s phone records, describing it as “frightening” and accusing him of excessive zeal against Trump.
• Raises questions about payments to confidential human sources and secrecy from Congress.

“Jack Smith is just sort of the culmination of 10 years of the left going after President Trump...”
— Jim Jordan [04:35]

c) Democrat Plans for Further Impeachment

• Asserts that if Democrats regain the House, they’ll “impeach Trump again,” outlining the swap of committee leadership (Nadler to Raskin) as a signal of intentions.

d) Minnesota Childcare Fraud & Broader Corruption

• Examines the Feeding Our Future scandal, noting manipulation of public funds via exaggerated child care claims and improper political contributions.
• Suggests a partisan pattern of fraud and media complicity.

“They'll tell a lie—‘we’re feeding children’, when in fact they're not. Big media will cover for the lie, and then when you tell the truth, they call you racist.”
— Jim Jordan [09:05]

e) Iran, Venezuela, and U.S. Foreign Policy

• Discusses recent U.S. operations (“Midnight Thunder”) in Venezuela and implications for Iranian deterrence.
• Expresses confidence in Trump and Secretary Rubio, frames U.S. actions as beneficial for Venezuelans and strategic containment of Iran/China.

“If the United States wants to take them out, we can take them out.”
— Clay Travis [25:08]

f) Fani Willis Subpoena & Georgia Oversight

• Updates on the investigation into Georgia DA Fani Willis and her associate Mr. Wade, describing obfuscation in testimony.
• Questions whether Willis faces federal legal jeopardy, signals ongoing oversight efforts.

g) Sports Banter & Human Moments

• Lighter moments about Buck’s 100 mph tennis serve, football predictions, and camaraderie between guest and hosts.

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3. Iran Crisis: Analysis and Anticipation

Timestamps: [17:08–48:07] and [48:07–61:52]

a) Events on the Ground and U.S. Decision-making

• Both hosts paint a picture of a teetering Iranian regime facing mass protests and brutal crackdowns, with 10,000+ reported deaths.
• Deep dive into U.S. strategic options: “non-kinetic” (cyber/communication disruption) vs. “kinetic” (military strike) responses.
• Speculate on regime stability, likelihood of a strike, and generational lessons from prior U.S. interventions.

“There is a threshold through which even other countries will start to go, whoa, this is crossing a line.”
— Buck Sexton [22:53]

b) Military and Internal Calculations in Iran

• Explores psychology of Iranian military—whether they’ll continue to fire on citizens or defect as repression intensifies.
• Comparisons made to the fall of the Berlin Wall and the implications of U.S. support.

c) Broader Geopolitical Shifts

• Parallel drawn to U.S. operation in Venezuela (removal of Maduro); notes that Russia and China did nothing significant in response.

“I think we are potentially sitting on the precipice of a modern day Berlin Wall movement, when freedom could shine across the entirety of many of the most adversarial countries to United States interest in the world.”
— Clay Travis [41:04]

d) Information Warfare and Communication Blackout

• Hosts lament Iran’s shutdown of Internet, comparing the situation to transparent media coverage in Gaza.
• Discuss historical tactics—like leaflet drops—to convey U.S. support against autocratic regimes.

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4. Soundbites: President Trump on Iran

Timestamps: [49:37–51:02]

• Play several Trump statements—via audio cuts—on Iranian protests and regime repression.
  • “We don't want to see what's happening in Iran happen... When they start killing thousands of people, and now you're telling me about hanging. We'll see how that works out for them. It's not going to work out good.”
    — Donald Trump [49:37]
  • “They better behave.”
    — Donald Trump [50:45]

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5. Speculation on Imminent U.S. Action

• Hosts anticipate an American strike in Iran, tying timing to darkness falling in Tehran and precedents set by the recent Venezuela operation.
• Note the secrecy due to communications blackout may delay public verification of any military action.

“There may be such an information shutdown that is going on, a blackout in Iran to such an extent that we may have no idea it’s happened until the President comes out and says hey we just walloped them.”
— Clay Travis [55:59]

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6. Comic Relief & U.S. Territories Discussion

• Playful banter about the pros and cons of U.S. territorial expansion (buying/selling Greenland, Guam, Puerto Rico, etc.), referencing history and speculative foreign policy.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On DOJ Overreach:
  “He goes and gets the phone records of the top Republican in government... That is frightening.”
  — Jim Jordan [05:10]

• On Trump’s Leadership Style:
  “No one does it better than Trump. President Trump said he cut taxes. He did. He said he’d secure the border. He did...”
  — Jim Jordan [01:30]

• On Iranian Regime Resilience:
  “The American people have no stomach whatsoever—and shouldn’t—for trying to run Iran ourselves, rebuild it, patrol the streets. I mean the old Iraq 2003 model, not happening. It’s just not happening.”
  — Buck Sexton [27:12]

• On International Realpolitik:
  “You surge the troops to win? You don’t surge the troops to make some political statement.”
  — Buck Sexton [28:41]

• On U.S. Sphere of Influence:
  “We just stopped having this expansionist idea of American power and we very inwardly shrunk…”
  — Buck Sexton [38:22]

• On Media and Protest Coverage:
  “All these people that you’ve heard, including some on the right, so upset about what Israel was fighting... Where are they on people being mowed down in the streets in their own country for protesting?”
  — Buck Sexton [45:10]

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Important Timestamps

• 00:04 – Opening banter with Jim Jordan
• 01:30 – Jordan on keeping campaign promises
• 04:35 – Jordan reviews Jack Smith and DOJ conduct
• 09:05 – Discussion of Feeder Our Future/Minnesota fraud
• 17:08 – Clay recounts White House visit/trumpeting Trump
• 21:39 – Iran crisis deep dive begins
• 27:12 – No “nation-building” in Iran
• 41:04 – Modern Berlin Wall analogy
• 49:37 / 50:45 – Trump statements on Iran
• 55:59 – Info blackout in Iran, speculation on imminent attack
• 38:22 / 36:05 – U.S. territorial banter
• 45:10 – Critique of selective outrage over protests
• 53:14 – Lighter moments and recurring sports banter

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Tone and Flow

The show maintains a high-energy, conversational tone—mixing policy analysis, heartfelt outrage over global abuses, sharp political critique, and irreverent humor, especially in banter about personal sports feats and speculative country trades.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode…

You’ll get a detailed, up-to-the-minute dissection of the ongoing Iranian crisis, a behind-the-scenes look at White House deliberations, and a no-holds-barred review of U.S. politics and foreign policy—punctuated with the show’s trademark wit and camaraderie. The Jim Jordan interview anchors the domestic agenda while global headlines—especially Iran—command the hosts’ attention, setting the stage for possible historic developments.

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This summary intentionally omits advertisements, show intros/outros, and non-content filler.

Transcript

[Clay Travis]

This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.

[Buck Sexton]

Welcome back in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton show. I have made it. President Trump sends his regards. I was over in the White House with a guy that. Jim Jordan, who is with us now. I'm in the DC studio. Buck Sexton down in Miami. Congressman, you were just. We'll get into some serious stuff in a moment, but off the air, you just came on and you were singing Buck Sexton's praises based on him having hit the 100 mile an hour serve.

[Jim Jordan]

John McEnroe Jr. That's what, that's what everyone is saying at. It's taken over the sports world. It's Buck Sexton and Indiana football. Top of the. Top of the story.

[Clay Travis]

I did have Twitter assistance from John Isner, the fastest server of all time. So that was.

[Buck Sexton]

That was.

[Jim Jordan]

Oh, that's cool. Yeah. I didn't know that.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, yeah. See, this is the thing. I had a ringer.

[Jim Jordan]

That's. That's. Well, that's still impressive, too. So. I mean, that's. That's amazing. No, I was. Because I think I was maybe with Clay. I think it was your wife who.

[Buck Sexton]

Said my wife was. Laura Travis was not a believer.

[Jim Jordan]

I was with your. With your wife on that one. But then I saw it. I saw the first video that you sent me, and I'm like, that's pretty good. Maybe he can. And then, sure enough, about, what, four or five, six weeks later, 100 miles. 103, or what was it? 104.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, it's okay. Next stop, Congressman, is 110. So don't worry about it. I'll post the 110 video by the end of this year. So we're getting there. But are you going to fix the government, sir? Because we've got some problems.

[Jim Jordan]

Well, I mean, it's been a good year. I mean, Clay was saying this the other day. I saw him on tv. You know, I always say we make the job too complicated. It's pretty basic. What'd you tell the voters you were gonna do if you get elected? Do what? You said, no one does it better than Trump. President Trump said he cut taxes. He did. He said he'd secure the border. He did. He said he'd stop Iran from getting nuclear weapons. He said. An issue you've been focused on, you guys, particularly Clay. He said he'd get men out of women's sports. It looks like the Supreme Court, based on what we saw in the arguments. That looks good. So he's delivered on what he said he would do. Said he'd get European countries to kick in more for NATO. They're all like, yes, sir, 5%, here we come. So it's been an amazing year. And I think once the big, beautiful bill kicks in, the taxes that people are going to see, frankly, when they start filing their tax returns, as this year progresses, I think we're in a pretty good position to keep the majority in the House, which, as you know, historically is not easy to do, but it's been a good year.

[Buck Sexton]

So when you look at the midterm, we can start to talk about the midterms coming up. And obviously the House, whether we have the majority or the minority makes a huge difference in your life, but also in what could happen. When you look at Minneapolis and the fraud that's going on there and now layered on top of it, the ICE or the response to the shooting there, how does that play nationwide, do you think? Obviously, for Mayor Fry and for Tim Walls in Minnesota, they think it's beneficial. What does the nation think of that, in your mind?

[Jim Jordan]

No, I said this to the conference last week, all our Republican members, when we got together with the president, that I think this campaign is simple. I think we tell them what we did, things I was just talking about. And then we always remind the voters how crazy the left is.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah.

[Jim Jordan]

And that is Minnesota. That is Minneapolis. And so I think it's really important you do what you say and you remind them, here's what they did, here's what they believe. And if they're back in power, they will do it again. They will impeach him again, they will open up the border again. They will try to get back in women's sports. They will raise your taxes, they will spend, spend, spend, causing record inflation. They will do all that again. And you can just look at all the dumb things. They defund the police, sanctuary jurisdictions, which lead to this environment where we saw the tragedy happen last week, where the ICE agents defended himself and this tragedy happened. So that is the environment of the left. And I think it's important to remind the voters that's what's coming. They're so crazy, they were willing to let a Chinese spy balloon fly clear across the country and then shoot it down.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Jim Jordan]

I think any other normal person, and I know President Trump, would have shot it down before it went across the country. So remind them of that and then show them what we've done to make life better for him.

[Clay Travis]

I know you have some testimony that is supposed to be happening coming up. What is it? January 22nd, Congressman, which is just about, what is it, eight days away, you will be sharing testimony where Jack Smith, the special counsel extraordinaire, is supposed to explain himself with the whole Trump situation. What, what are you expecting with this and what are we trying to get to here?

[Jim Jordan]

Well, I think, first of all, it's, it's important to frame it. Jack Smith is just sort of the, the culmination of 10 years of the left going after President Trump. I mean, it was Comey and with all the things he did, spying on the campaign, then it was Mueller, Impeachment one, impeachment two, Fani Willis, Alvin Bragg, and now Jack Smith. And so I think we will lay that out, but specifically, we're going to ask Jack Smith. You were so determined to get the President. Think about this, think about this. Kevin McCarthy becomes Speaker of the House on January 7, 2023. Sixteen days later, Jack Smith goes and gets his phone records subpoenaed for his phone records for two years prior, for a two month time frame. So he goes and gets the phone records of the top Republican in government, the guy second in line to the President. He knows who Kevin called, who called him when it happened, how long it lasted. And if Kevin initiated the call, he knows where he's at when he does. So you can pattern someone's life. You know who the speaker of the House was talking to before a big vote, who he's talking to. That is frightening. And then to add insult to injury, he goes to the judge and says, don't let Verizon, don't let AT&T tell these members of Congress, tell the speaker of the House that we got his phone record, so he doesn't even know. And he puts on the subpoena because he might be a flight risk. Like, you got to be kidding me. The speaker of the House is going to run from the country. He might tamper with witnesses. That is how determined he was to go after President Trump. It is ridiculous. And now we learned last week that he paid a confidential human source $20,000. My big question to Jack Smith is why? You can subpoena anybody and everybody you want. Your special counsel got the full power of the Justice Department and you're paying people to go say bad things about the President. You gotta be kidding me. So those are the kind of things we're gonna ask him now in an open environment, after we had him for seven hours in a deposition.

[Buck Sexton]

You went through impeachment one and impeachment two. One of the stakes of the midterms that are coming up is it seems Quite clear to us. Buck and I both believe it's gonna happen. I'm curious if you do. If Democrats take back control of the House, they'll impeach Trump again. They'll find something to impeach him for. Is that, in your mind, one of the most major stakes in terms of having control of the House?

[Jim Jordan]

Yeah, they will. And that will stymie all the good stuff that we got done last year that we talked about. So. Yeah. And you know it's going to happen because they've already filed impeachment resolutions, several of them. And maybe more importantly, what they did at the start of this Congress is on the Judiciary Committee. They got rid of Jerry Nadler. They said, you're no longer going to be the top Democrat on the committee. We're going to bring in Jamie Raskin because they think they're going to win and they want to run impeachment, the more traditional way out of the Judiciary Committee versus how they did it five years ago when they ran it out of the Intelligence Committee with Adam Schiff. So they bring in Raskin because they think they're going to win. And they will, in my opinion. They will. I'm like, I'm with you guys. They will definitely do it because that will. And they will investigate president's family. They'll investigate everyone just like they did, you know what, eight years ago, seven years ago.

[Clay Travis]

Do we think that we're ever going to get a broader view of the kind of fraud, Congressman, that has been unearthed in Minnesota? This isn't the only place where this stuff was going on. You're hearing early, early reports about similar situations in California, and particularly around the issue of fake or greatly exaggerated child care, which is something that I would assume a lot of the fraudsters thought to themselves. No one's going to really want to go after or look into this. We're providing care for children. Well, if you're saying you're taking care of 300 kids or whatever and you're getting millions of dollars and there's no kids, I do think that we should look into that. I think that that's a problem.

[Jim Jordan]

Yeah. The vice president announced last week that they've created a special position at the Justice Department to focus on this. I think this is sort of a furtherance of the whole Doge effort, which Elon, the work he did there. I think getting this, starting to get this out there was really important. So I like what they're doing there. And you're right, Buck. It seemed like all these programs feeding kids Giving kids learning centers, autistic kids. It was all supposed to be helping the children, when in fact they were just sticking the money in their pocket. This Feeding Our Future program, they didn't feed anyone. They were actually shut down for a period of time and then it was started back up. And if you remember in the hearing last week, we asked them why was it started back up? Well, it's because this group said, we're going to file a racial discrimination suit against you if you don't start giving us the money that we're just sticking in our pockets.

[Buck Sexton]

And.

[Jim Jordan]

And they did it. So this was the old, you know, the typical template that the left uses. The left will, I say the left will tell a lie. We're feeding children when in fact they're not. Big media will cover for the lie. And then when you tell the truth, they call you racist. And that's what they did in Minnesota. But it was even worse. They didn't just look away and restart the money. It looks like they assisted because there was a meeting that was actually on videotape between the Attorney General and leaders of the Feeding Our Future program. And two weeks after that meeting, suddenly the Attorney General starts getting campaign contributions from these folks. So it was, I think, a political looking the other way, assisting political. We don't want the lawsuit against alleging racial discrimination and we want to keep their political support, which is the worst kind of scam and fraud you can have. And it was going on as we heard from the members of the General assembly from Minnesota last week in the hearing. It's been going on for 10, 12, maybe even up to 15 years with various programs.

[Buck Sexton]

We're talking to Congressman Jim Jordan from ohi, Venezuela and Iran. It is unbelievable, the success of the raid that happened in Venezuela. It certainly is raising, I think, a lot of nervousness inside of Iran because they have to be very concerned about the capabilities of the United States. What do you think will happen? What should happen? If the President asks you, hey, how should I handle Iran? What would you tell him?

[Jim Jordan]

Well, I think Iran's taken everything the President saying seriously in light of what happened with what Israel did to lay some of the groundwork than what we did. Amazing operation there. What was that called? Midnight Thunder. And then the operation that took place in Venezuela. I'm always surprised at the left. The left criticizes Venezuela and I'm like, wait a minute, we took out the head of a narco terrorist criminal operation, who's got a five year arrest warrant, who's playing footsie with China and Iran. Right.

[Buck Sexton]

With a $25 million bounty that Biden increased just in January last year right.

[Jim Jordan]

Here in our hemisphere. And somehow the left says, oh, this is a bad thing. I have confidence in the president. I have confidence certainly in Secretary of State Rubio as well, that they'll handle this in the right way. I think this idea of making sure Venezuelans get the benefit of the resources they have there, help their population, helps the whole market. This is not about getting oil necessarily for America. It's making sure Iran and China don't get it and the people of Venezuela benefit from it and they get a better lifestyle there, and also maybe stopping this huge migration we've had of people coming to the country. So there's all those elements, and I trust this administration to handle it in the way that they should.

[Clay Travis]

I have one more question on the subpoena side of things. Not to divert too quickly from Iran and Venezuela, but I wanted to get this one in. While we have you, Congressman Fani Willis also has been subpoenaed, as I understand things. Can you tell us where that is and where that oversight investigation is going?

[Jim Jordan]

I'll tell you this about her, I guess someone to work for.

[Buck Sexton]

Lover boy.

[Jim Jordan]

Yeah. Mr. Wade. Yeah, we actually have already brought him in.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah.

[Jim Jordan]

And we deposed him. And when we deposed him, it was fascinating because we asked him, you build. You billed the taxpayers of Georgia for several hours of meetings and conversations here in D.C. and he goes, yeah. Billy said, you know, he did it. He came up here and did that. We said, well, who'd you talk to? Couldn't remember. We said, did you meet him at the. People at the White House? People in the January 6 committee? Were you here at the Capitol? Were you at the White House? Were you at the Justice Department? Where'd you meet? Couldn't remember. Oh, we said. We said, did you meet him in person, or did you do it via Zoom or, you know, some. Couldn't remember. Finally, we asked him, did you really come, or were you just like. Was it like Minnesota? Were you just shaking down the tax credit? He goes, oh, yeah, I was here. I billed for it. I was definitely here. I just can't remember anything about what took place. So that's sort of the state of play with these. With these folks in Georgia. That whole suit, as you all know, that whole action, I should say, has been. Has fallen apart, was completely bogus. And I think everyone saw that. But, yeah, we're waiting to see what may transpire with. With. With Fani Willis.

[Clay Travis]

Is there. Is there. Is there Federal legal jeopardy that you think Fanny Willis could find herself in based on the facts as you know them.

[Jim Jordan]

Well, I don't know about that. We're, we're, we're trying to get her testimony and trying to get information from her. And she, it seems like every time she is in some kind of public appearance in Georgia, she wants to attack our committee and the work we're doing when we're just, we're just trying to get the truth out there. This was all part of, as we said a few minutes ago, this was all part of this concerted effort to go after the president and it didn't work. The country, this is what I love about Americans. Americans, in the end, get to the truth. Americans have common sense. One of the reasons we're the greatest country ever. They saw through all the BS and they said, no, no, President Trump's getting a raw deal here. We want this guy back as commander in chief, back in the, in the Oval Office. And as I said before, it's been an amazing first year of his second term.

[Clay Travis]

Jim Jordan, glad you get to hang out with my man clay there in D.C. i feel a little left out right now. I'll be honest with you. I feel like you guys are going to go, you know, throw a baseball around on the mall or something, and.

[Jim Jordan]

I'm just up here to meetings and votes. We just had a committee hearing.

[Clay Travis]

It's tough.

[Jim Jordan]

You know, I'm coming to Florida and I want to. I'm going to maybe want to see it in person.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, I was going to say Miami.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, you got to come check it out because 75 degree weather.

[Jim Jordan]

I want to see the studio, but more importantly, I want to see the serve. I want to see it in action.

[Clay Travis]

We'll video you live. We'll video you live with the gun. If you come down here with the.

[Buck Sexton]

Serve, you can be that. You could be the officiator.

[Jim Jordan]

I'm trying to return it. I am.

[Clay Travis]

No, no, no. I'm saying you could be the officiant on the serve gun for me. We'll bring you down here. Alrighty. All right. Thanks, everybody.

[Jim Jordan]

Fantastic.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm picking Indiana. I think that Indiana is going to win, but I do think I'm kind of finessing things. I took Miami plus the eight and a half. I think it's a field goal game. I think it'll be a defensive struggle. I like what the Hurricanes are. Bucks going to the game with you guys.

[Clay Travis]

My beloved Hurricanes. My beloved. Let me just go on the record here.

[Buck Sexton]

I've real.

[Clay Travis]

I'VE crunched the numbers. I've watched the tape. Hurricanes are coming through with the W on this one, okay? Hurricanes all the way. My Miami Hurricanes are going to blow through town. It's going to be fantastic.

[Jim Jordan]

The defensive line, three and four, I think are their numbers. I can't remember their names. That was the game, in my judgment.

[Buck Sexton]

I just saw J.D. vance at the White House and I said, what happened with your Buckeyes? And he said, thanks. I've got a lot of things going on in my life right now. I appreciate you reinforcing what happened in that game against Miami.

[Jim Jordan]

All right, thanks, guys. Take care.

[Clay Travis]

All right, Clay, I got to pay some bills. Didn't take me long to fully appreciate why new parents love to take pictures of their little ones. It's amazing here with little Jimmy Speed, and it's fantastic day in and day out. But my mom and dad, they raised four kids in their house, and my dad used to have to go to all of our sporting events.

[Buck Sexton]

He loved it.

[Clay Travis]

But sporting events and family get togethers and he was a VHS guy. He used to have the camcorder out. He'd be like, bucko, what do you think about, you know, the school play today? And I'd be like, I thought it was great, but now I can't watch that anymore. We got these old tapes and we can't watch them. But guess what? Now you can, thanks to Legacy Box. Any old media you have. Any old media you can enjoy now thanks to Legacy Box's digital transfer process. It's so easy. It's a fun thing to do because you're gonna relive those memories, just pulling it all together and then you're gonna really enjoy them. Once Legacy Box transfers it over digitally to you in the new media format just takes a few weeks. They update you every step of the way. They do this with so much care, they give you back the original media. Just go to legacybox.com buck say 55% off when you preserve your past with Legacy Box, start the new year by preserving your family's most cherished memories that haven't been watched or enjoyed in years. Legacybox.com Buck legacybox.com Buck to save 55%.

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[Buck Sexton]

Welcome back in hour number two, Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. I'm in D.C. buck just told me I could take my tie off. You will be pleased to know, Buck, a couple of things based on the last time we were in DC1, I remembered to actually wear a suit, which is an improvement over my.

[Clay Travis]

I heard you walked into the Oval Office and Trump was like, Clay Travis, the sandals. Guy tries to get past Secret Service wearing sandals. They don't love this. They don't love the sandals.

[Buck Sexton]

I had my correct id, not my real ID because I still haven't gone to the DMV to get the real id, but I did have my passport. So all smoothly in. And I don't know that this. So a couple of things since we were there last in June. So I went past all of the, the photos. I saw the auto pin photo or the Walk of Honor there where President Trump has replaced Joe Biden's image with an auto pin. I don't know that this has been reported on very much or I haven't seen it. President Trump has written biographies, edited autobiographies, not autobiographies, but biographies of each of the presidents. There now is not just a photo of each of the former presidents. There is like a paragraph of each of the, each of the presidents and their accomplishments, Joe Biden's accomplishments. Not a very, I mean, I, again, I don't know if it's, I was told I couldn't take photos of it and I don't have a photographic memory to get exactly what was written there. They're hysterical, Buck. They are absolutely hysterical. It's President Trump describing Joe Biden's tenure, Barack Obama's tenure. I remember on Bill Clinton's biography, underneath his photo, the final sentence is, and unfortunately, something like, and unfortunately for Bill Clinton, his wife would go on to lose a devastating, you know, defeat to President Trump in 2016. And so he's remade that entire walkway. When I went in the Oval Office just about an hour ago, he was meeting with a huge team of architects working on the new ballroom that he is trying to put the finishing touches on, as they are really undergoing just rapid fire transformation there. And anyway, it was really good to see him. He wanted me to tell you all that he said hi, that he's going to come on the show again soon with us and that he appreciates all the time that he's gotten to spend talking with all of you and all the feedback that he gets that's very positive every time he comes on the show. So all of that underway right now. The big question I think that is looming, Buck, is what are we going to do with Iran? And I asked, you know, Jim Jordan was just in with us and I asked him about that. There has been, we've cleared the bases of Qatar of American soldiers. There are reports that Israel is starting to clamp down, expecting that there may be an attack coming there. And so to me it feels very imminent that something is coming there and that there have been unfortunately thousands, maybe as many. Some of these reports that I've seen, Buck, maybe as many as 10,000 people that the Iranian government has killed who are in the middle of protests. And kind of put that into perspective for you. Tiananmen Square, which still gets a ton of attention. Back In, I believe 1989, China killed around 250 protesters. For those of you who remember the brave protesters standing in front of the tanks, we're talking about orders of magnitude more of murders that have been occurring as people have been trying to stand up against Iran. And so I do think the biggest and most significant thing going on in the world right now is Iran. And trying to figure out exactly what the American response is going to be and should be is I believe, taking up a great deal of time right now in the, in the, in the White House. And I expect that we are going to do something that is of a significant nature.

[Clay Travis]

So I can tell you that from what I have, I've heard from the administration in recent days, it is very much in the decision making process right now on this issue. Meaning Trump is Yes, and this is being widely reported, but I'm told this is true that meaning it's not like a decision has been made. It is still Trump weighing options, watching and making the determination as commander in chief when and if he sees the moment is right. So there's a whole bunch of things that come into play here. For one, we know that there's, there's the helpful but not kinetic actions. Helpful but not, that's what I call them. And that would be things like cyber messing with Iranian regime, communications, helping communications. And I might note Elon is already.

[Buck Sexton]

Doing his part trying to get Starlink back up because there's lots of reports that Iran basically has totally sabotaged his ability to get Internet access to the people who are protesting.

[Clay Travis]

I mean, one thing that is going on right now is Iran is trying to keep the world in the dark, in some cases literally keep us keep its own people in the dark, rather by cutting power, cutting Internet access and making it so that we won't know how brutal the repression really is because they realize there is a, there is a threshold through which even other countries will start to go, whoa, yes, this is, this is crossing a line. So that doesn't mean they'll do anything about it. But you know, the, the Iranians are not in some position. Iran is not Russia. Iran cannot afford to just thumb its nose at the world and say, we've got nukes and lots of oil. You're not doing anything about it. And so that means that they do have to pay attention to what's happening right now with the repression. And let's be clear, they're mowing down people who are unarmed, who are protesting in the streets. They are murdering men and women, probably children too, who are at these protests in an act of, we are in charge. You shut your mouths or we will kill you. Right. So there's the non kinetic stuff and then you get into that we could do and then there's the kinetic stuff and that's, that's where things get more interesting in a whole range of ways. We could hit, like I said, Clay, we could hit the besieged facilities. We could hit. So besieged are. I mentioned this. They're like the street thugs. Think of them like the Iranian brown, you know, the ir, the revolutionary brown shirts. They are like a militia meant to. And this is very common, you'll notice, with dictators, with authoritarians. They, they have the military and they always have the paramilitary. Right. They have the people that are kind of operating with the wink of the administration, the help administration, but not quite on direct orders necessarily, or at least pretending they're not on direct orders. So they can do really nasty stuff. You know, that's the, they'll, they'll do whatever. We could blow up some of their stuff. Then the issue, Clay, becomes what does Iran do in response? They do have some long range missiles and they could try to hit our bases and they could try to hit Israel. Will they do that? And then what do we do in response? This is where things get tricky and it is why Trump is weighing his options as we speak, very carefully.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, and certainly the other question about this is do they have the ability to actually do any damage to us? And this is why I think American military resources are being pulled out of Qatar. They certainly Iran has fired hundreds if not thousands of missiles, at least Israel indiscriminately, in response to what Israel did during the 12 day war. I think the question that ultimately is now confronting the Ayatollah, and this is where I would say it's connected to what happened with Venezuela and Maduro. I think the People of Iran, the ayatollah, the leadership at the high levels, the mullahs are aware that if the United States wants to take them out, we can take them out. And this is where I think the Venezuela Maduro example is impacting I think a lot of the geopolitical relations the United States has with many countries around the world, because many of them looked around and said, wait a minute, if they can do this to Venezuela, could they do this to us too? And so I wonder on some level, and I'm not sure if he's willing to do it because he's an old man. I think The Ayatollah is 88, if I'm not mistaken. What Maduro should have done buck was take the gilded refuge, live as a multi hundred millionaire on some fabulous estate somewhere in a very nice region. And I wonder whether some of the top Iranian leaders might be thinking, given what happened to Maduro, boy, I don't want to die or I don't want to end up in a prison for the rest of my life, maybe I should voluntarily relinquish power and basically abdicates, not a throne, but abdicate the seat of government. I wonder whether there's back channel negotiations and discussions taking place as it pertains to that. That's what I would wonder in general if the decision making potentially is going to impact that and would they be willing to make that rational choice or are these guys going to go down with the proverbial ship?

[Clay Travis]

Well, we know, and I think Trump knows this and has known this for a long time. The American people have no stomach whatsoever and shouldn't because I think it's, it's an error. It's not just we don't want to pay the price. I don't think we would get where we want to go trying to run Iran ourselves, rebuild it, patrol the streets. I mean the old Iraq 2003 model, not happening. It's just not happening. So the concerns that people have about that, I understand those concerns, but no one in any decision make, Pete Hegseth won't allow that. Trump won't allow that. J.D. go down the list. No one is going to say that that's what we're going to do. So as long as that's off the table, and I truly believe with this administration is other administrations, it wouldn't be off the table. This administration was to give you a sense of how cynical things were, Obama came in and simultaneously in Afghanistan and I was working on the Afghan desk at the CIA when this happened. So this was, I was paying very close attention to this, said we're going to surge 100,000 troops, but also, here's our withdrawal, here's the drawdown date. And everyone's like, what do you mean? You surge the troops to win? You don't surge the troops to make some political statement and then say, but we're also going to leave at this time. The whole thing was a mess. It was all politics. But Afghanistan was the good war, Iraq was the bad war. We've learned all these lessons is my point, Clay. And as long as the Iranian people are the ones calling the shots and in charge at the end of this, that's where we want to be. Not, it's not going to be us. We're not sending our, you know, 19, 20, 21 year old Marines to try to get the water turned on in Shiraz.

[Buck Sexton]

I, I think one of the questions that is maybe most paramount here too, Buck, is what is the Iranian military going to do? And I've talked to some people, you may have had actual discussions about this back when you were in your previous life. At some point in time, the military moves from, we're taking the orders from the people in the high command, the ayatollahs, the mullahs. And when you start asking them to mow down protesters, they start recognizing, wait, that could be my sister, that could be my aunt, that could be my uncle, that could be my brother, sister, and they start to refuse to just make that choice. Right. And I wonder if as these bodies are stacking up, whether some of these military individuals are going to, you remember when. Bernie, can I tell you what I.

[Clay Travis]

Think the calculation is? Because what you're saying is true, but in the context of Iran, it's for these soldiers who are being given these orders. I think a more immediate thing for some of them is if I don't do this, are they going to execute me and maybe throw my family in.

[Buck Sexton]

Some hellhole, make an example of me? So you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't.

[Clay Travis]

So that's the real. And so the calculation becomes, well, if I don't do it, is there a chance that I can survive?

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

Or that they won't be willing to execute me to make an example of me. Right. If I, if I, if I basically defy this order, what happens to me? Because that's the calculate that when you get into people's self interest, you really know what you're dealing with.

[Buck Sexton]

That's also where I, it's not only the self interest, it's what is the impact if the United States rains down bombs on the Ayatollah? I think that's a big part of their discussion too. Does it in some way strengthen the Iranian regime because they say, oh look, these are just external actors attacking us internally in the country. This is not an organic, organic anti Iran protest. This is Israel, this is the United States, this is external actors. Or to your point, Buck, which I think is an interesting one, does the attack further delegitimize the Iranian regime such that some of those soldiers look around and say, you know, it's one thing to fight when you think that you might win. Nobody wants to be the last soldier getting killed in a war that you're going to lose. And I wonder in their head psychologically if they see there's no power here, it's already humiliation happened in the 12 Day War. How do they handle that going forward? I think it's a really intriguing part of this analysis of all the investments.

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Buck Sexton]

Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. Rolling through the Wednesday edition of the program. I'm in D.C. buck is in Miami. Buck, there's a couple of news stories that have come out. We were talking about what is going to happen with Iran. I just came from the White House, passed, actually. I didn't know who these guys were, but as I was leaving the White House, the negotiators from Greenland were coming in. Reportedly, that's public now. So I was like, who are they? You know, like. Anyway, so there are Denmark and Greenland negotiators supposedly meeting with Marco Rubio and J.D. vance today surrounding, like, again, I don't.

[Clay Travis]

Know what imagine, I don't know how this, like, you should have been able to sneak into that room, be like, look, this is what it looks like. Giant Trump Trump building. Like, you know, what is the capital of Greenland? I don't even know what the capital of Greenland is. I, I'm pretty good at this stuff.

[Buck Sexton]

I. Now that I think back, does it have a capital. Yeah, it does. And I can't remember, of course I'm not going to be good at pronouncing it, but it's like, it's, I feel like it starts with an eye of some nook.

[Clay Travis]

Nook, okay, nook, yeah, I was wrong.

[Buck Sexton]

Starts with an eye.

[Clay Travis]

But I'm just saying he's, he's like, nook going to be the greatest place. We're going to have casinos. We're going to have beautiful, beautiful streets, wonderful things. Like, he's gonna, he's the best salesman out there. Could you imagine? You're in the Greenland delegation and then you're gonna sit down with like the Danish guys who are like, but we give you free health care. They're like, well, Trump's offering to stuff our coffers with like tons of money. So.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, this is my point. On Greenland from the get go, everybody's like, first of all, Trump's decision to want to expand the sphere of influence, Manifest Destiny style, for those of you who are old school history people, is. Is actually basically the foundation of the United States. But we haven't done it since we bought the Virgin Islands from Denmark. The craziest part about all the criticism of the Greenland decision is that we bought from the Danes, the Virgin Islands back in, I believe, 1917 for $25 million in gold. We tried to Buy Greenland back in the past. And how can Denmark sell it if it's so unacceptable for us to be buying Greenland? How about the fact that Denmark is trying to sell it to make money on it? So that is potentially underway right now, a negotiation and opening bid for Greenland.

[Clay Travis]

Can I just say, like, let's just put all of our chips on the table here, friends. Okay?

[Buck Sexton]

This is.

[Clay Travis]

We're in the trust tree. Just you, me, Clay, considered the three of us plus a few million of you on about 600 stations. So we're in the trust tree. It's just us talking. There are some parts of America, roughly speaking, I wouldn't, I wouldn't throw any states under the bus, unlike some people over here with his New Mexico madness.

[Buck Sexton]

I tossed New Mexico on the scrap heap. I was wrong. I've apologized. I now want to give up Minnesota so Minnesotans can be angry. Minneapolis in particular. Someone, maybe we can just sell Minneapolis along with Tim Walls and Jacob Fry and just have them vanish from the United States.

[Clay Travis]

Someone has not experienced the glories of muskie fishing season up in Minnesota. I'm just putting the musk lunge a beautiful.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, that's northern Minnesota. I'm just carving out Minneapolis and all the crazy people there and selling it to Canada. They probably belong to Canada more than they belong to.

[Clay Travis]

So like I'm going to do this just list of US Territories, okay? Like list of US Territor. Take a look at this. We got Puerto Rico, Virgin Islands, Guam, Mariana Islands and American Samoa. Let's just take one of these, for example. Ok? If, if American Samoa, if a foreign entity came along that we thought was like a good, they were good guys. So this doesn't include like China. But you know, if the UK for some reason said to us, and you know we're tight with the UK still, at least for the foreseeable, and they said, guys, we're going to give you a trillion dollars for American Samoa. Now, I know that's a crazy price tag, right? But just a truly not as American Samoa. I'm not trying to be mean to our Samoan brothers and sisters, but I think we got to think about that offer long and hard. My point here is if the price was right for an American territory, remember, I'm not saying states territory, if it was in our strategic interest, why not? Why would we not make that deal if it was for the betterment of the American people overall? I mean, Guam, we probably have some listeners on the military base there. I don't see what the big deal is if Japan came to us. They wanted it back in the day, as we know. If Japan came to us and they said, look, we'll give you X for Guam, you know, or maybe even a trade claim, maybe Japan would say, you know, we'll give you, I don't know, Hokkaido or something like we'll give you. That's a big place. But you get what I'm saying, they gave you something. It's a deal. Why is this so crazy to people? This has been all of human history. These kinds of deals have been made.

[Buck Sexton]

That's what I think is so important about this. We just stopped having this expansionist idea of American power and we very inwardly shrunk. And the idea that we would have a sphere of influence or that the Monroe Doctrine would apply, or that Manifest Destiny would apply. Look, I don't want to be a Monday morning quarterback, but I kind of feel like we blew it with the Spanish American War. Why did we not keep Cuba? Why after Teddy Roosevelt charged the hill down in 1898, if I'm not mistaken, why did we give up Cuba? That created a huge, huge danger zone for a generation, for a century plus 150 years, 90 miles south of, of our shores. We just hoped that Cuba would make rational decisions that would further the health and freedom and well being of everybody there. Instead, we had the Cuban Missile Crisis. You've got a buddy who was actually involved in the Cuban Missile Crisis, like back in the day at the CIA.

[Clay Travis]

Mentor of mine who was at the Bay of Pigs, captured and ransomed back by America. Yeah, he's told me the stories over scotch and wow, crazy.

[Buck Sexton]

It's crazy. But I mean, again, this is where I look at Venezuela and I don't think it's outrageous to believe. I was having dinner last night with one of my buddies who works in the federal government and we were talking about. Trump has basically created a scenario where Venezuela, Cuba and Iran in a modern day version of the Berlin Wall coming down. These totalitarian governments could all crumble in response to the strength that Donald Trump showed in how he's handled these adversarial figures. And I don't know that many people have really started to think about how much that could change. I mean, for those of you who remember Buck, you remember this. We were talking about when the soldiers decide to stop shooting. The Berlin Wall came down so quickly when we were in that situation. It was suddenly, you could go from East Germany to West Germany and the soldiers wouldn't shoot you. And then you could sit on top of the Wall and you could start to chip away with it. And it just happened almost instantaneously. But it wasn't by accident. It was a series of decisions that put in place that outcome which fundamentally changed the trajectory of the world. I think we are potentially sitting on the precipice of a modern day Berlin Wall movement, when freedom could shine across the entirety of many of the most adversarial countries to United States interest in the world. And it would be because of Donald Trump's peace through strength mandate. I'm cautiously optimistic that we're about to have a transformative moment for the world.

[Clay Travis]

I hope you're right. If someone was asking me what I think is going to happen, unfortunately, I think the odds are still on the mullahs holding on.

[Buck Sexton]

You think they'll just keep killing people and this will be like the previous uprisings that we've seen happen in Iran in the past, where slowly the stranglehold of the mullahs comes back and people stop coming out in the streets?

[Clay Travis]

Based on what I have seen and heard so far, yes. Although I reserve the right to change my assessment tomorrow. Look, the big question mark here. And this is the big question. This is the big question mark. When I was meeting with the president of Taiwan as well, with a possibility of a China invasion, the big question is, what's America going to do? Yeah, we have a difference maker capability here. We're the only country in the world in this regard that does so. So far, to my knowledge, we have not decided. Trump has not decided as commander in chief to tip the scales here. I think if that continues, they will be successful in suppressing and the mass murder will happen and that's just the.

[Buck Sexton]

Way it will be.

[Clay Travis]

I think the X factor is if we wake up and Trump has decided enough is enough, then I think the mullahs might be toast. Then I think we might have a difference in Iran and that now that puts a lot on this Trump decision, obviously. But that's where I come down on this. If, if Trump does not take action, I think that they'll be successful in Iran in the suppression. If Trump takes action, then I think that actually the mullahs are done. I think it will happen.

[Buck Sexton]

Then the question obviously becomes, who's next? Is it the, is it the former shah, the family that was forced out in 1979? Is there a bridge there that potentially leads to it? Those would be the next questions. I think if he's going to act, Buck, I think he will act. What are we about? It's getting close to Dark in Iran right now out there. So what do the streets of Iran look like tonight? How many more people show up? Because think about it, if we're correct, based on it, again, it's hard to get information 100% accurate out of Iran because they've shut down all communication. But it seems quite clear that thousands of people are dead. If you were in Iran, you would understand that if you're taking the streets at any point now, there is a decent likelihood that you could be shot yourself or your friends or family with you could be shot as well. In other words, thousands of people being killed in a country that has a population of 90 million. It is having a devastating impact in terms of the deaths that are occurring there right now. So my point on this is.

[Clay Travis]

Can I ask you a question about this just real quick? First of all, Trump is supposed to speak about this, I think, pretty, pretty shortly. I think we just got a notice from our team, Clay, that Trump is going to be talking about this. Am I right on that one, guys?

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

Trump is going to be addressing. So we may be hearing something live on air here real soon.

[Buck Sexton]

Again, it's getting dark. So that's why I was saying it's going to be a night attack. Right?

[Clay Travis]

It's a better time to be firing stuff. That much we do know. Nighttime is when you want to be, especially when you have night vision and all the, all the technological advantage that we have. I, I, I think, though, it's just, this is a bit of an aside, but I, I think it's worth mentioning, Clay, you know all these people that you've heard, including some on the right, who are so upset about what Israel was fighting and the Israeli fighting in Gaza, where are they on people being mowed down in the streets in their own country for protesting? They're not even fighting the regime. They're not even shooting at the regime. They're just protesting. They're being mowed down with machine guns. Where are these people that care so much about human rights and, and cared about the innocent life in Gaza? They say nothing about this. I'm not seeing. And I know who is very loud about Gaza, including people on the right, which was surprising. I see nothing right now, and I think people should take note of that.

[Buck Sexton]

100% buck. I'm in D.C. my alma mater, George Washington University campus quad was taken over because supposedly all of the Palestinians were being murdered by Israel. We know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Iran is killing its own people. Not one scintilla of protest anywhere, not at ucla, not at Columbia, not at George Washington, not at all of these campuses that were taken over Columbia. It's, it's, I think, instructive of what we've said, Buck. When there's not a big bad boogeyman, white person that can, can be blamed. Israel is seen as white. Jewish people are seen as white. Even though that's not accurate, the white person is the bad guy. When that can't happen, nobody pays attention. We'll take some of your calls, by the way, 800-282-2882. We will monitor the President and what might be about to happen in Iran. You'll want to stay tuned. In the meantime, if you're coming up on the end of the year balance and you looked and you said, boy, we spent a lot more money in 2025 than we thought we wanted to. We spent more money on Christmas gifts than we wanted to. We spent more money on travel. Maybe the credit card debt is more substantial than you had hoped. And your New Year's resolution was I want to save some money. PureTalk can help you do it. They can save you between 600 and $1,000. Same great cell service that you're already getting for a fraction of the cost with an American patriot company that values you and your ideals. That's why they're on this program. My 17 year old, my 15 year old, they have Pure Talk phones. I rely on Pure Talk to stay in touch with them no matter where they are around the country. And when I'm traveling, I care even more is making phone calls as every parent does when you're out of town, making sure that you're able to stay in touch with your kids, send them text messages. I want you to join me on the Pure Talk family. Here's how you do it. It's super easy. You can save $600 or thousand dollars over the course of a year. That would make a big difference to you during the course of 2026 and in your family's budget. All you have to do is dial right now. £2 50 say clay and Buck. You can keep your same phone number. You can keep your same phone. £2 50 say clay and buck. In the meantime, you'll save 50% off your first month. Up to a thousand dollars for a family over the course of a year. Why not try it now here in January? Make your New Year's resolution to save more money on your cell phone. £250 say clay and buck. That's £250 say clay and Buck.

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[Clay Travis]

Third hour of Clay and Buck kicks off now. We are keeping an eye out for when the president is going to address the nation on his thinking on Iran. This is a big deal for a whole range of reasons we've been talking to you about. Our sympathy and hearts and hopes go out to the Iranian people who are taking substantial risks for their freedom. This is a country that has a very rich and very long history as a culture and as a people that has unfortunately been enslaved by a theocracy, a theocracy of revolutionary autocrats who have been in charge for almost 50 years. And they've done an amazing job of immiserating 90 million people and making a whole lot of problems for the rest of the world, too. This isn't just, this isn't just a Iranian problem. The mullahs are a problem for so many of the countries in the region and all over the world because Iran is the primary state sponsor of terror, as we know. And here is President Trump. He's, he's getting closer and closer, I think, to action on this issue. And here he is. This is cut 20 speaking about how Iran better not mess around and find out by executing huge numbers of protesters. But we'll see. Play 20.

[Donald Trump]

The end game is to win. I like winning.

[Buck Sexton]

How do you define that in Iran?

[Donald Trump]

Well, let's define it in Venezuela. Let's define it without Baghdadi. He was wiped out. Let's define it with Soleimani. And let's define it in Iran, where he wiped out their Iran nuclear threat in a period of about 15 minutes once the B2s got there. And that was a complete obliteration, as it turns out, which is what I said initially. Then some questioned it and they said, you know, Trump was right. So we've been right about everything. We don't want to see what's happening in Iran happen. And, you know, if they want to have protests, that's one thing. When they start killing thousands of people, and now you're telling me about hanging. We'll see how that works out for them. It's not going to work out good, Clay.

[Clay Travis]

Let's also hear Trump point is very similar. He's drawing lines in the sand. And I don't think they want to see what happens if they cross it. This is Cut five, Trump telling the Iranian regime, watch yourself.

[Buck Sexton]

Iran says that it will retaliate in the instance of US Strikes. Against US Assets in the Middle East.

[Clay Travis]

What do you say to US Service members about why it's worth the risk.

[Buck Sexton]

To intervene in Iran?

[Donald Trump]

Yeah, Iran said that the last time I blew him up with the nuclear capability. That. Which they don't have any longer. So Iran said that the last time. They better behave.

[Clay Travis]

They better behave, Clay. They're not behaving. So now let's see what happens.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, look. And the President may be poised to speak on this. It is after 10 o' clock in Iran right now. For people out there who wonder what the time situation is. The biggest challenge, Buck, is Elon Musk, to his credit, has unleashed Starlink, which has allowed some Iranians to get online. And now the Iranian government has decided to sabotage Starlink working in their country as well. I can't think of very many times when we basically had almost no ability to see what's going on in a country in real time. In other words, for all of the criticisms of Israel and all the criticisms about what might happen in Gaza, the Internet was never shut off there. Communication was always possible. And so there's always a lot of media coverage and we see what's happening. We really don't know much of what's going on in Iran right now. And so one aspect of this has been trying to figure out how to potentially allow the Iranian people to communicate. Here's the other thing, Buck. How do we make the people of Iran aware that the President of the United States supports them and supports their protest because the Iranian government has curtailed the ability to get information in there? You know, back in the day, this was how you would win an information warfare. Do you remember what you would do? You would fly planes over and you would just drop pamphlets and it would say in their language, I think Farsi, if I'm not mistaken. Hey, here is. President Trump supports your ability to protest. He wants people to have basic human rights. He wants you to have freedoms. He wants Iran to look like it did in the 1970s, before the Ayatollah came into power. And so you would actually drop pamphlets and people would go out and they'd pick them up and they'd be able to read what the American president or what the perspective was. It's so hard to get that information now. It should, in theory be way easier to communicate, but Iran has the ability to turn off everything it supposedly in terms of being able to communicate there. And all they've been doing is running propaganda on television.

[Clay Travis]

I think a strike is coming, Clay.

[Buck Sexton]

The.

[Clay Travis]

This is starting. It's I'm just going to point something out. This is going to be a little crazy, but this is true. The last time there was a major strike on Iran, we were in the Oval Office with the President. You were just in the Oval Office with the President, and there may be another major strike on Iran. The only. That would be the only two days I can think of where we have done anything on this scale in our lifetime. And I'm not saying that there's a cause and effect here, Clay, but I am saying some people might ask some questions.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, you and I don't know. Do we say this on the air? I'll say it on the air now. I can't remember if we said it back. We talked about it off the air, you and I. I feel like in some ways, the White House press team was running around taking pictures of you and me in the Oval Office with the President like crazy. And they immediately blasted it out right before the attacks happened. And you know that they monitor what the President is doing on all of these intelligence agencies and everything else. And I guarantee you, they were like, ah, he's just meeting with a couple of radio guys. There's nothing happening today, right? White House photographer running around like crazy, taking photos in the Oval Office, just like when you and I were in there. Now, I haven't seen those released yet, but I've been in with the President before. We've met the President a bunch of times now. Most of the time you remember that, like, you and I both, when we left, we were like, man, they took a lot of pictures. It definitely now maybe things are a little bit different. Maybe in Trump 2.0, they're taking more photos. In general, that's always possible. But I definitely, in my back of my mind, as they were running around taking photos like crazy, was thinking to myself, this feels like in June when you and I were in there, and then we get back out and that night we're sitting down to have dinner, and boom, all the attacks start to happen in Iran.

[Clay Travis]

I'm not trying to feed the conspiracy theorists here. I'm just saying Clay and Buck are in the Oval Office. Iranian nuclear program gets hit within hours. Clay goes to the Oval Office, perhaps IRGC headquarters all over the country. You know, we'll see, we'll see. But it is quite a. Quite a coincidence. Now, I do think that there will be back into serious mode here. I do think that there will be a strike of some kind. I don't know what it will be. I don't know how much this is you know, is still in the decision making phase. I don't know what the president, my sense is if he's speaking the American people, he's preparing us for we're doing something here. So I could be wrong on this one. I don't have any particular.

[Buck Sexton]

Let me put this out to Buck. We may not know because there's such a communication inability to get out things. You know usually even back when, when we hit Iran like there was still a lot of video and Internet capability in the country. We could hit Iran and it might not be public for several hours that we've done so because they don't have the immediate communication capabilities to get out the video. You know normally when there is an attack of some sort we know we shut down all the communications in Venezuela but sooner or later it comes out and you say oh there's a lot of burning buildings here. People hear when the planes come over, they hear the bombs coming down and they take photos and videos and it ends up distributed on X Twitter, every, every social media platform. There may be such an information shutdown that is going on, a blackout in Iran to such an extent that we may have no idea it's happened until the President comes out and says hey we just walloped them. We. And again maybe, or maybe or not it's going to happen but I just feel like it's dark. If it's going to happen it's going to happen in the next couple of days. It would not surprise me if we're going to get information soon that we have done something or that we should.

[Clay Travis]

At least be prepared for, for things, things to happen given what just what just went down in Venezuela. Let's just understand the Iranians paid close attention to that. Other countries have paid close attention to that. Venezuela had Russian anti aircraft systems. Now there's reporting that they hadn't really set them up which is sounds, sounds about right for the Maduro regime. Like they've got really fancy gear to try to stop this sort of a strike and like eh, maybe we'll set it up manana. You know like they don't really care.

[Buck Sexton]

Very tropical buck. That's very often what happens in the tropics. I will just do that tomorrow. We'll get around to it. Let's have a pina colada.

[Clay Travis]

I think they made a misstep on that one. Made a mistake in their assessment. So we will see. But I do believe that the Iranian regime, look it's, it doesn't have many good options here at all to Strike at us. And what are they really going to do? Are they going to have. They're going to. If they activate some Hezbollah cell that, you know, kills a whole lot of Americans somewhere else in the world or some kind of a terror. This has always been the fear, Clay, is that. Or the concern that's out there is if we do anything that's too aggressive with Iran, keep in mind, we blew up. Actually, Trump blew up Qasem Soleimani, which I remember in the Iraq office, we were told, oh, you can't do anything about that guy. Can't do anything. Oh, it would. It would. It would completely, you know, bring things to a boiling point. Trump blew him up and nothing happened. They fired some missiles at a base and that was the end of it. So I think that we shouldn't convince ourselves that the Iranian military capability is substantially more than it is. And if they were to do something really foolish, okay, well, then we're just going to go full talent, you know, full Al Qaeda on them, so to speak, or Al Qaeda hunting and everybody involved, we're going to track them down, are going to blow up their house. I mean, is that really what they want? They don't have many good options.

[Buck Sexton]

I'll also point out Russia and China did nothing after we took Maduro out of Venezuela. This whole idea that there was a axis of evil relationship between Russia, China and Iran, for instance, I think what you're seeing is that is not actual substance much behind it, because Russia did nothing when we took Maduro, China did nothing. They didn't stand up at all for Iran when Israel came in. And then we came on top of that and took out their nuclear capabilities and ambitions. My point is I'm not sure Iran actually has any allies at all. And a lot of times you have to look behind the curtains, what is said in front of the curtains. Maybe one thing behind the curtains, I think there are a lot of people saying, yeah, we need to get these guys out of here, including Middle east, certainly Russia, China. I just don't think there's any real allies there. And so, again, maybe we're going to find out something. During the course of today's program as, as this continues to play itself out, one of the challenges out there, I want you to check out lifelock 1-800-lifelock. And you know as well as I do that there's constant cyber crimes being committed across the entirety of the Internet every single day. You log on and you see the latest news. Oh, there's been a data breach. Oh, somebody's information is out there. How much of your information is floating around on the so called dark web on the Internet? How much protection do you have? That's the entire business of Lifelock right now. If you go to 1-800-LIFELOCK, use promo code CLAY, you can get 40% off and be protected from your information spooling out on the Internet being stolen and you not having any Clue it's there. 1-800-lifelock is the phone number lifelock.com promo code clay. Clay. You get 40% off. Help protect your information, make it more secure, make sure that your information has not leaked and is not circulating on the Internet. That's what Lifelock does. They built a great business over the last several generations being able to protect people on the Internet. 1-800-lifelock that is lifelock.com 40 off promo code Clay Clay.

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