Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Jan 9 2026

Summary

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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Daily Review with Clay and Buck – January 9, 2026
iHeartPodcasts | Hosts: Clay Travis & Buck Sexton

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Episode Overview

On this Friday edition, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton break down the week’s wildest news in their signature blend of political insight and humor. The episode centers heavily on recent law enforcement controversies, ongoing protests in Minneapolis following an ICE-related shooting, America’s economic outlook, and a spotlight on Revolutionary War history. Discussion also features a live report from the protest scene and a reflection on the lasting impact of Thomas Paine's "Common Sense" pamphlet.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Law Enforcement & Minneapolis ICE Incident

• Context of Incident ([02:30]–[21:24]):

  • The episode opens discussing the recent Minneapolis ICE protest where an activist was fatally shot. The hosts criticize local media and politicians for jumping to conclusions before crucial video evidence surfaced.
  • Notable Quote:
    “As you pointed out, she was a trained aggressor who wanted to provoke a reaction. Her partner was filming the whole thing like, this was a setup. She didn’t expect it would go this bad. And certainly, we don’t want anyone to die. We’re anti death on this show.”
    — Buck Sexton [15:18]

• Release of Officer Body Cam Video ([33:10]–[43:55]):

  • Discussion escalates after the emergence of body cam footage from the ICE officer’s perspective, confirming the lawfulness of the shooting.
  • Both hosts agree the video “completely refutes” claims of police wrongdoing and anticipate a collapse of the protest narrative.
  • Notable Quote:
    “I think this is going to end the story. But for everybody out there who tried to demonize this guy and say that this ICE agent was a murderer...this video completely refutes that.”
    — Clay Travis [41:18]

• Breakdown of ‘Good Shoot’ vs. ‘Bad Shoot’ ([36:07]):

  • Buck gives an in-depth analysis of when law enforcement use of force is justified in legal terms, emphasizing self-defense and lawful duties.
  • Buck’s Summary:
    “The officer was acting in a lawful capacity, dealing with somebody obstructing a lawful operation, and is hit by a car that is clearly used as a weapon … it’s very, very clearly a clean shoot.” [39:45]

• Media and Protester Reaction ([21:24]–[29:19]):

  • On-the-ground report from Daily Wire’s Breca Stoll reveals sustained protester hostility despite new evidence, with many “not willing to listen to really any evidence or anything that another side or person had to deliver.”
  • Protesters categorized as “brainwashed, scary, and paid”; notable examples include a woman questioning her own right to protest due to ‘white tears’ [24:58] and aggressive activists hurling insults at law enforcement.

Local & National Politics

• Portland’s Decline and Civic Impacts ([03:31]):

  • The hosts recount Portland's loss of a potential Major League Baseball team as emblematic of “symbolic decay” following policies on drug use and crime.

• Trump’s Proposed Actions Against Mexican Cartels ([04:25]):

  • Clay and Buck discuss Trump’s vow to strike Mexican drug cartels—a move they call “spicy” and “interesting” with unpredictable consequences.
  • Quote:
    “They’ve been poisoning Americans for decades … if we start trying to take out serious cartel members … that’s going to get spicy.”
    — Buck Sexton [04:25]

• Critique of Leftist Protests & Double Standards ([15:33], [16:01]):

  • The hosts argue left-wing outrage over law enforcement is selective, especially along racial lines, asserting: “We don’t make distinctions based upon skin color on that. The left does.”

Economic Insights

• Fraud in US Government Spending ([07:27]):
  • Mention of Treasury officials warning of $300–$600 billion in annual government fraud, equating to 1–2% of GDP, and potential for a rapid economic rebound.
  • Quote:
    “Stock market tends to look about six months or a year into the future. Wall Street is expecting 2026 to be one of the greatest years economically that we have seen maybe ever in the history of the nation.”
    — Clay Travis [07:27]

Iran & International Affairs

• Iranian Protests & Middle East Policy ([10:34]–[14:30]):
  • Current unrest inside Iran is noted—protests, economic hardship, and the regime’s information shutdown.
  • Obama/Biden-era appeasement is strongly critiqued as delusional. Pressure, not concession, is called the only viable approach.
  • Quotes:
    “Being nice to the mullahs is an idiotic idea. They are bad guys doing bad things and the only way to deal with them is pressure and pain from policy.”
    — Buck Sexton [12:45]

History Segment: 250th Anniversary of “Common Sense”

• Revolutionary War Spotlight ([51:42]–[63:52]):

  • Brianna Lyman joins to mark the 250th anniversary of Thomas Paine’s “Common Sense,” highlighting its role in rallying everyday colonists with accessible rhetoric.
  • Encouragement to read primary sources and avoid politicized modern interpretations.
  • Quotes:
    “This pamphlet helps push so many people over the edge, and it basically becomes the biggest bestseller aside from the Bible in 1776.”
    — Brianna Lyman [53:53]
  • Lyman describes her daily “Countdown to Freedom” 2-minute educational videos on Revolutionary events.

• Reflections on Historical Literacy in Today’s Politics ([59:21]):

  • Lyman and hosts lament modern leaders’ lack of historical knowledge compared to the scholarship of the Founders.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Law Enforcement and Protesters:

  • Buck: “Her partner was filming the whole thing like, this was a setup. She didn’t expect it would go this bad. And certainly, we don’t want anyone to die.” [15:18]
  • Clay: “We’re anti death...nobody hates death more than us.” [15:58]
  • Clay: “We don’t make distinctions based upon skin color on that. The left does.” [16:01]

• On Minneapolis ICE Video Evidence:

  • Clay: “This video completely refutes that … the argument that he was defending himself was BS, like the mayor said—that he should be charged with crimes. Like governor Tim Walz did, this video completely refutes that.” [41:18]
  • Buck: “Body cams basically defeated blm. God bless body cams. Once again, body camera footage shows us the truth of what happened.” [46:30]

• On the Power of “Common Sense”:

  • Brianna Lyman: “Common sense today…becomes the biggest bestseller aside from the Bible in 1776.” [53:53]
  • Lyman: “The founders did what no other people could do…this countdown to freedom is supposed to help Americans understand just how intense the fight was for freedom and that it was not given to us. It was won by blood and sacrifice and a lot of turmoil.” [58:20]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Minneapolis ICE Incident & Video Discussion: [02:30] – [47:00]
• On-the-Ground Interview with Breca Stoll: [21:24] – [31:46]
• Deep Dive: Lawful vs. Unlawful Use of Force: [36:07] – [41:18]
• Portland’s Decline & National Symbolism: [03:31] – [04:25]
• Discussion of Trump’s Cartel Strike Proposal: [04:25] – [07:27]
• US Government Fraud & the Economic Future: [07:27] – [10:34]
• Iran Analysis & Middle East Policy: [10:34] – [14:30]
• Revolutionary War Segment & “Common Sense”: [51:42] – [63:52]

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Tone and Entertaining Moments

• The hosts balance grave topics such as police shootings and international unrest with their trademark wry humor and side tangents (“Portland zombie apocalypse,” “El Capitan of fun,” “We’re anti death!”).
• Mockery of left-wing protest rhetoric, especially the “white tears” and racial self-flagellation at protests (“brainwashed, scary, and paid” protester typology, [24:58]).
• Engaging historical analogies and recommendations for “history nerds” in the audience.

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Summary

This episode plunges deep into the Minneapolis ICE shooting controversy, applying scrutiny and legal analysis to both the new body cam evidence and the media’s reaction. Clay and Buck are joined live from the protest scene and stress how video transparency shapes public perception, especially in an era of organized activist confrontation. Broader discussions address political dysfunction in cities like Portland, economic trends and fraud, and US posture toward Iran. The show wraps with an inspiring Revolutionary War history segment, underscoring the importance of primary sources and collective historical memory as America nears its 250th birthday. Throughout, the show maintains a fast-paced, irreverent tone, providing listeners with both critical insight and plenty of laughs.

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Transcript

[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome in everybody. Friday edition of the Clay, Travis and Buck Sexton show kicks off right now and we got a lot of news to talk about. It's also Friday, so we're just gonna have some fun too. Clay made me reminded me it's like Friday, Buck, let's have fun. I say sir, your wish is my command.

[Buck Sexton]

It's been a hell of a crazy week, honestly, so let's have some fun headed into the week.

[Clay Travis]

Clay is El Capitan of fun, so we know that he likes the guy, likes to have a good time. So we're gonna dive into all this stuff and we'll take a lot of your calls and your talkbacks. Everything else, it's another day where we gotta do it, my friends. Let's do it right now. Dhs oh boy. Says Border Patrol agent fired a defensive shot after a driver linked to Trend Aragua tried to run over federal agents. Another vehicle attacking officers situation this one I believe non fatal in the shooting, but another, another time bullets fired and this one an illegal gang member. And guess what, in Oregon where this happened specifically, I think it was southeastern Portland, which if you want a sense of the zombie apocalypse. My understanding, Clay, is you can go to downtown Portland day or night and you'll see it. It's down there.

[Buck Sexton]

Mentioned this too by the way, on Portland we love. We need to get out to Portland at some point. We've got a great affiliate there. I know a lot of you feel like you're behind enemy lines. Buck, on the context of what would an impact of zombie apocalypse like Portland create? Portland was all set to get a major league baseball team. Now Salt Lake City is going to get. I really believe the Major League baseball expansion team might sound like a small thing, but since COVID and the drug overdose allowance and all of the collapse of downtown Portland, they have effectively started to lose big symbolic things such as a major league baseball team. And now Salt Lake City is going to get it just because Utah is not as crazy as Oregon. Sorry to cut you off there, but I do think that's sort of a representative sample of how lost the city of Portland has become.

[Clay Travis]

So we've got that story to dove into. We've got Maniacs and Foley Square where I remember 15 years ago covering the Occupy Wall street protests for the Blaze. They used to gather in Foley Square often some of the offshoots of that protest movement, Leftist Maniacs, Clay. They were chanting, quote kristi Noem will hang, end quote. That is a very stupid thing to say and certainly a stupid thing to be chanting on video threatening violence against a cabinet official, a federal agent, that is. But it gives you a sense of the kind of people that show up at these protests. We'll discuss that. Trump saying, and I believe this was on a. This is with our friend Sean last night, right? It was on Hannity show. I'm just seeing the headline here. Trump saying that the United States is going to conduct strikes against cartels in Mexico. Not to be confused with New Mexico, Clay, in Mexico, which is. That's going to get spicy if we start doing that. I'm not saying it's a bad thing. I'm not saying it's a good thing. I'm just saying it's going to get interesting if we start trying to take out serious cartel members. And look, they've been poisoning Americans for decades. We got that, Clay. We've got Chuck Schumer throwing ice under the bus. No surprise there. More on the woman who was Shot in Minneapolis. She was an ice watch warrior is what they call this. Yeah, she's an activist and she was trying to obstruct law enforcement. That's become clear. I actually wanted to throw this into the mix though, just, just as a little bit of a, of a change up ties into Minneapolis and Minnesota. Clay Scott Bessant, one of the all stars of this administration, has done a really good job both in the messaging, I believe, and on the policy side. And there's some really, there's some reasons to be very bullish about the economy. Listen to the Secretary of the treasury who is a very serious, very smart guy who can read a balance sheet, understands macroeconomics, understands finance at the highest level. Listen to what he says is the scale of straight up fraud with taxpayer dollars at stake in this country. Play cut one. I think that this may just be, it's cold day outside, so this could be the tip of the iceberg here in Minnesota, but it's probably may not be as prevalent, but the dollars may be bigger and larger in other states. And just to put this in perspective for American taxpayers, for American families, the gao, the General Accounting Office believes that there is somewhere between 3 and 600 billion of annual fraud. Roughly 10% of government spending that disappears due to fraud. If we can recapture that, that is 1 to 2% of GDP. Clay. Up to $600 billion of fraud annually.

[Buck Sexton]

It's wild. And what he said. There is something that I think you need to start to focus on. I think we're gonna get phenomenal fourth quarter GDP numbers. Now, partly the GDP numbers are out of whack in the post Covid era because they shut everything down, then they opened everything back up. And so I really think you kind of have to toss out the 20, 20, 2021 numbers because they're a mess. Buck, there are some whisper numbers out there that we're going to hit five and a half percent GDP, maybe even 6% GDP in the fourth quarter. That's unprecedented levels of economic expansion. If we could hit 5 and a half or 6% of GDP as we roll into now the new year, because obviously the numbers are looking back in terms of catching up. We're talking about budgets getting balanced in potentially rapid fashion because the overall tax rates that are brought in in conjunction with the tariffs and everything else, it's unprecedented the amount of growth that we could potentially be able to be firing on all cylinders associated with. So this is a number that I would tell everybody out there you should be paying attention to. I would also Say this stock market continues to hit record highs. Stock market tends to look about six months or a year into the future. Wall street is expecting 2026 to be one of the greatest years economically that we have seen maybe ever in the history of the nation. And you mentioned this, and I think it's important to go back in time to February of 2020. That I would argue February of 2020 is the strongest economy this country has ever had in the history of its existence. And then Covid happened. If Covid hadn't happened, we were headed for unbelievable numbers. I mean, if you go back and look at the GDP growth, if you look at tiny inflation, mortgage rates that were basically non existent, I think we are setting up for a incredible Trump boom that a lot of people are not recognizing is going to happen. One of the challenges that I think of a communication perspective that the Trump team is going to have in 2026 is it takes a while for people to feel the ground moving in a positive direction economically for them. And, and I understand that, and that's particularly the case in the wake of the disastrous economic policies of Joe Biden. But you can seem out of touch when you say, hey, things are getting a lot better. And people say, well, wait, I don't think feel it yet. It takes a lagging indicator for people to feel how good the economy was. And it actually took till about 2020, 2019 and Trump 1.0 buck for everybody out there to suddenly say, wait a minute, this economy is on fire. I really am super optimistic that we are headed for that as long as we can keep China from dropping a new remix virus back into the economic creation.

[Clay Travis]

Let's certainly hope so. Speaking of foreign situations, Iran is heating up right now internally a lot. And there's footage that's circulating of big protests in the streets now, maybe this go. You know, I'm very generally wait and see about all things Iran, because we've been waiting and seeing for. I'm trying to do the math in my head right now.

[Buck Sexton]

40 years. 40, basically, yeah, 40 years.

[Clay Travis]

40 years of any day now, Any day now. And not really. But there are indicators that the regime is under tremendous pressure. I would also note, Clay, remember when the Obama administration was in power and we were told the only way to pacify the Middle east and to calm things down was some grand bargain that allows Iran access to international banking, relieves sanctions, lets it continue traditional ballistic missile research and get close, very close, but not quite at a nuclear weapon level of nuclear research. Remember all that that was, that was Completely insane and wrong. I mean, more importantly, it was wrong. I think everyone can see this. We blew up the Iranian. Well, the Israelis, and then us blew up the Iranian nuclear reactors. No, World War III broke out. There weren't mass casualty terrorist attacks all over the world going to Sunni Arab Muslim allies in the region. Like, yes, I know things have changed a lot since 9 11, but places, whether it's the Saudis or the Jordanians or any and all in between, to box Iran in was actually a smart strategy. That being basically Clay. Being nice to the mullahs is an idiotic idea. They are bad guys doing bad things and the only way to deal with them is pressure and pain from policy. There's no concessions we make that make them nice. That's. That was. That was a delusion that the Obama and Biden regimes instituted.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, and look, I was reading again, it's kind of hard to see what's going on in Iran right now because they have completely shut down Internet and cell phone access basically in the entire part of the country. And we're moving up on 13 days of consecutive protests which seem to be growing there. It's all fueled by economic anger. The rate of inflation has gone through the roof in Iran, and effectively their currency is valueless. And that is a direct result of the pressure that President Trump has brought to bear economically on that country. And Buck, I think it's even worse than what some people said. This will cause World War three. Thousands of American troops will die. That's what a lot of people said would happen if we attacked their, their nuclear capacities. It's actually not just that they were wrong about the awful results that might ensue. It's that actually it made us all safer. It actually was, I think, the prerequisite of there being some form of safety in the Middle East. In other words, you had to eliminate that danger from Iran and the theocratic rulers, the Ayatollah and company being able to have nuclear weapons in order for there to be peace capable of breaking out in the Middle East. And remember, remember, this is super significant. Pay attention to what people do, not what they say. Most of the countries in the Middle east actually supported Trump's strikes on Iran. The Saudi Arabia is, the uae, the Qatars, they may say publicly, oh, this is unacceptable. Privately, they're all saying to the United States and even Israel through back channels, hey, we support you on these attacks. We're all about this.

[Clay Travis]

We will get into more of this. And also the latest from the worst. Certainly the. I think we could Say the worst mayor in the Midwest. Oh, no. Brandon Johnson. I was gonna say May. Jacob Frey's got fry.

[Buck Sexton]

Sorry. I think he. I think he worse. I think he may be worse than Brandon Johnson. And this is tough. I hate to say it. It is a tough call.

[Clay Travis]

You know, it's like, what's worth heart attack? Get a hit by a car. I don't know. They're both really bad. These guys are both really bad mayors. So it's. It's a tough call. But we'll get into what's going on with the ICE situation. I think they're going to run out of steam on this. And I think a big part of it is there's video. The video shows what happened. The ICE agent had already been attacked and dragged by someone in a car doing something like this. And as you pointed out, she was.

[Buck Sexton]

A trained aggressor who wanted to provoke a reaction. Her partner was filming the whole thing like, this was a setup. She didn't expect it would go this bad. And certainly we don't want anyone to die. We're anti death on this show.

[Clay Travis]

And she's white and deranged. Leftists just can't get that upset about a white person being killed. It's just true. I mean, that's their. It's their moral failing, not our. They're the ones that make this distinction. Like, I think it's just terrible if a human being is killed under, you know, under circumstances where they shouldn't be anti death.

[Buck Sexton]

We want everybody to live as long as possible. Yeah, that's true. That's a strong take here for the start of the Friday show.

[Clay Travis]

We're anti death.

[Buck Sexton]

Nobody hates death. We don't care more than us who.

[Clay Travis]

Disagrees with us on that one. We do not like people losing their lives for no good reason. So. But we don't make distinctions based upon skin color on that. The left does. For a leftist in America today, if a black person is killed in a situation of any political implication or consequence, it is far bigger, a far bigger deal to them than when other people are killed. It's just the truth involving law enforcement that that is the way that it is, as we know. Just look at all the. All the blm, blm, BLM doesn't get upset unless it's a person who is a person of. Well, a black person specifically, not just a person of color. So that's why I think this is going to fizzle out a bit in the days ahead. But we'll see. All right, look, families that own Rapid Radios are ahead of the game. These are modern day walkie talkies that keep us all connected, particularly when you're impacted by a service disruption. What these small handheld devices can do is just awesome. Great audio quality, instant connection and nationwide coverage. Rapid Radio is operated on an LTE network nationwide, so you can connect with anyone virtually anywhere. Save up to 60% off their most popular models right now. Rapid Radios are designed to keep you connected wherever life takes you, on the road, in the wild, at work, not to mention keeping you in touch with family members far away, no contracts and a whole year of service included. Now is the perfect moment to experience why Rapid Radios are trusted by hundreds of thousands of customers and backed by over 15,000 five star reviews across the nation. Go to Rapidradios.com today and discover exclusive deals that won't last long. Elevate your connection, your experience. Rapidradios.com that's Rapidradios.com making America great again isn't just one man, it's many. The Team 47 podcasts Sundays at noon Eastern in the Clay and Buck podcast feed.

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[Buck Sexton]

Welcome back in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. We are going to be joined on the ground in Minneapolis momentarily by Breca Stoll, who is there covering the protests in Minneapolis. But first, let me let you know that there is now a video of the ICE officer who engaged in the shooting of his perspective immediately before the shooting took place that is going to soon be everywhere. It has been shared by a group called Alpha News. I believe it makes it quite clear that she was there to be an antagonist, that she was not somehow, as they have suggested, just a mom who showed up at the event. She was there parked, trying to obstruct the ICE agents from doing their job. And Buck, she drove.

[Clay Travis]

She was obstructing, which is why they actually circled the car. She thought that she had a right, which she did not. And it is a violation of law to get in the middle of an ICE operation and stop. This is like that judge that helped the, the illegal evade ICE in the.

[Buck Sexton]

Courtroom in Milwaukee, if I remember, Hannah Dugan, I think something like that.

[Clay Travis]

You do not have the right to do this. She was in the wrong. And Clay, I watched the video. It's a clean shoot. Sorry. This woman lost her life. It's a clean shoot. And I've. I've worked at a law enforcement agency. I've sat through all the training. The guy did nothing wrong.

[Buck Sexton]

Breca Stoll joins us now. Breca, you've been doing great work on the ground in Minneapolis for the Daily Wire, and we appreciate you making the time to join us. Now from Minneapolis. Have you seen that new video yet? To what extent in your experience, have many of the protesters there been looking at these videos? What is the on the ground reaction? And again, the breaking news of this video that has just been released that appears to be the ICE officer's perspective at the time of the shooting.

[Breca Stoll]

I claim, Buck, great to be with you guys. But so I just saw the video. I didn't see or I didn't hear all the audio, but I saw her friend, you know, go filming everything. And on the ground there is a little bit of a delayed reaction. I think the protesters, you know, they're actively screaming at ICE field officers. It looks like in law enforcement. And so they are occupied through their protesting activities. I'm sure information about this will get out soon. But they are very firm in their beliefs that ICE did something wrong and that they reacted. They continue to say she was murdered. And I don't think they're willing to listen to really any evidence or anything that another side or person had to deliver.

[Clay Travis]

And it's now, I think going to go to a whole new level because of this video that we were just discussing. What's. What's your sense, Breca, for how this is going to weigh into the conversation?

[Breca Stoll]

Well, I think it's really interesting because it does show. Like you said, she, she was filming this. Like I think this really was for TikTok. I think this is just part of their movement trying to get word out that, you know, just kind of defend their side. They wanted to distract ice. And it's so interesting to me that you come into the situation in someone's job in law enforcement and you just think you're so entitled to be there and filming everything because at the reality like this is a difficult job and for these law enforcement to take their jobs very seriously, to have to deal with someone, you know, tiktoking and trying to make a viral video out of this would be incredibly distracting. And I just think it's dangerous, first of all. And so it's just interesting to see that these people do it. And it's. Well, honestly, I think the protesters coming out that I've seen on the street are doing the same thing. Like they're distracting law enforcement from guarding the ICE field facility because, you know, they know they have to come out there because otherwise these protesters are going to be at their doors. And so what you have is them spending all day in a back and forth, them egging them on, screaming terrible insults at them. And it's like you are distracting these people from doing their jobs over and over again. And it's really interesting to see it when we know like when stuff happens and problems occur, you call 91 1. And when something bad is happening, you rely on these police officers, you rely on law enforcement and come and save the day.

[Buck Sexton]

We're talking to Breca Stoll. She is on the ground. We played earlier a clip of you interviewing a woman who talked about her white tears and how she didn't even feel like she was maybe even justified in being there because she was not as oppressed as black and brown people. Do you think she's representative of the average protester that you are seeing. And I mean, in many ways, how did you keep a straight face? I thought you did a really good job interviewing her, and it's obviously gone very viral. But do you think that she is representative of the average worldview of people that are protesting in Minneapolis right now?

[Breca Stoll]

Okay, so there's three types of protesters that I'm seeing that I feel like groups. You can categorize them in brainwashed, scary, and paid. I'll start with brainwashed first, which is the woman I talk to. So when I'm talking to her, she comes up to me, and she was crying, and I have that before in the video. But she's upset, and so I just let her talk. And obviously, you know, I feel bad for this woman. She's obviously very upset. And so talking to her, I think she's about to tell me she feels it's wrong for her to be here, because it's an eerie, solemn feeling. That's the direction I thought she was going into. And she then tells me it's actually because she's a white woman. And in an interview, you're always trying to be respectful. You're always just trying to listen to what people say. And I was like, this woman is upset, and she clearly believes this. She's been brainwashed to think that she should not be at the scene of another white woman's death because she's white. And to say that white tears are not always necessary and helpful was just very odd to me. And so, you know what? You just keep a straight face. You keep listening. You're just trying to understand why she thinks this and where she's coming from. And then the other two types of protesters I'm seeing are scary, like I said. And basically these are the ones who yell these insults at law enforcement, where it's like they're saying, you guys are terrorists. Go kill yourself. You guys are Nazis. And so it's like you put those in a whole other category, and you're like, okay, these people have so much anger.

[Clay Travis]

And.

[Breca Stoll]

And this is the potential where you might see something like the George Floyd riots. When people get so angry, they get destructive. So that's the group where I would see if something bad happens, like, potentially on Saturday, you might start seeing that from that group of protesters. The third one I say paid. I heard a woman yesterday talk about how we hit the goal time.

[Clay Travis]

And.

[Breca Stoll]

Because, you know, and I think she thought I was part of the group. And I said, what do you mean, the goal time? And she said, oh, we're good. We don't need to be here anymore. And so I grouped that into the potentially paid, potentially organized. And those are. You see protesters hurling out insults, like, you know, to law enforcement as, I hope your hotel has bedbugs. And I'm like, okay, just quite a spectrum of people we got here on the ground.

[Clay Travis]

Bedbugs. That's really. That's really tough. Yeah, that's mean, I gotta say. So you've been able to talk.

[Breca Stoll]

I was going.

[Clay Travis]

You've been able to talk to some of them, by the way, good on you for the bravery for dealing with some of these. These maniacs. And please, you know, keep your head on a swivel. My friend Andy Ngo has been dealing with lunatic protesters for many, many years, and they are lunatics and they are dangerous sometimes. So please make sure that you're using best practices out there on the street to keep yourself as safe as you can under the circumstances. Is it your sense that this is dying down, or are they just getting going for the weekend? Because it is cold up there in Minneapolis in the middle of January.

[Breca Stoll]

Mm. So it's freezing. And it's like Yesterday we saw 5,000, 6,000 protesters, you know, marching for hours when it's fleeting. And so that's interesting. And then today, I have noticed it is quieter today. And I think that's because Tim Waltz put out that video, which he called for a moment of silence for Renee, good at 10am and just hoping to give people, like, time. So I think the protesters are taking into that. There's three main places where they're gathering. That's the scene of Renee's death, the ICE field office, and then where they organize that protest in, like, this intersection downtown. And all of those scenes have been much quieter today. And I keep hearing last night at the vigil scene, they were saying, on Saturday, we're going to come out here. And so I think they're using this as kind of a day to recoup. And then they're coming back stronger than ever on Saturday. And interesting to see, because I talked to people on the street and I said. And they were telling me they think the violence from George Floyd reflected bad on the Black Lives Matter movement. And so they're trying to use extra precaution because they don't want violence from this movement to distract how they feel about ice. And so that's what they're worried about. And they keep saying they don't want Donald Trump to make an example out of Minneapolis. So I think that is the main reason for why, so far There hasn't been much destruction.

[Buck Sexton]

We're talking to Brecker stole of the Daily Wire. You had to. Also, you've done really good job on the ground. I've seen several of your videos going viral. A McDonald's in the area put up a sign that said they would not allow ICE workers to come in and buy sandwiches, get hamburgers, whatnot. Also, we had the hotel that said we're not going to allow people to stay there. I tell us what you found with McDonald's and the hotel and whether you think that might be indicative. We talked about this on the show. Somewhat of a continued shift in the way that big business is responding after the Bud Light incident. It seems like anytime one of these stories go viral, we get an immediate response. But for people who didn't see what happened with McDonald's, tell us what you found there.

[Breca Stoll]

So we were taking a bathroom break from interviewing people on the street, and we go into McDonald's and right on the door says a sign that says, ice is not allowed here. And so when. When we interviewed the security guard inside, and we're like, how. And also interesting that this McDonald's had a security guard, he just talked about how bad the area is and how McDonald's has hired him. He also was about to take our order, so that was already interesting. But the security guard said he wasn't sure how the sign got there, but he said it was private property, and that's what the business decided. Now, when you actually think about what probably happened here is you think about McDonald's and they, you know, they just let Trump be a fry cook during his campaign for their team. So it's, you know, that they did not want. They did not want to say ICE was not allowed into their office. And I can tell by their quickness to respond to me for comment when they said this was not authorized by corporate. And so what has probably happened here is it's a franchisee owner who maybe wasn't him, probably a manager, could even be a woke employee at the McDonald's who put that sign on the door. And you see McDonald's actively through their comment and their quickness to give it to me saying that this is not okay and obviously I should be allowed in our stores.

[Clay Travis]

Thank you for the work you're doing, Breca. Appreciate it. Like I said, stay safe. Don't let anyone throw any snowballs at you and talk to you again and stay warm.

[Buck Sexton]

That sounds miserable to me. The work you're doing is important, but I can't imagine how frigid it is. So stay warm, you're getting good stuff and stay safe.

[Breca Stoll]

Thank you guys. Great to be with you today.

[Buck Sexton]

She's doing really good work. We wanted to find somebody on the ground. You can go follow her. She's posting a lot of videos if you're curious what it actually looks like amid the protest. Really good work there. Bruck Estol with the Daily Wire. Look, online hackers have all kinds of ways to steal your data. You want Lifelocks online identity theft protection. Lifelock will monitor hundreds of millions of data points a second for threats, which is way more than anybody can do on their own. And if you become a victim of identity theft, you get your own lifelock restoration specialist who will fix identity theft guaranteed or your money back. Your protection backed by Lifelocks million dollar protection package. Join now say 40% off your first year with my name Clay as the promo code. That's 1-800-lifelock. You can also go online to lifelock.com you'll be protected in minutes once you provide them with the right information. Remember, use name use my name [e-mail] that's lifelock.com my name Clay. You can also call 1-800-lifelock my name Clay. That's 1-800-lifelock. My name Clay. Lifelock.com my name C L A Y.

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[Buck Sexton]

Box find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back in Play Trip Travis Buck Sexton SHOW okay, let's circle back again. Right about the end of the first hour, a video of the ICE officer's perspective was released by a company called a media site called Alpha News. We talked with Brecker stole on the ground. But I think, Buck, maybe we can circle back to this because it is not yet airing anywhere on Fox News, CNN or M. Msnbc. My guess is they're probably trying to validate it themselves because this is an exclusive that Alpha News has. Let's start with this. You and I are not experts by any stretch of the imagination in what is fake and what is real. I will say though, this appears to be very valid. I don't think this could be AI. I don't think they could fake this. Right? Would you say we're all going to be called upon for many different videos in the years ahead? Is this real or is this fake is probably the number one thing all of us are going to have to do when we Watch videos that go viral. You and I have watched this video. I, I would say with almost 100% certainty, this appears to be the real video of the perspective of the ICE agent that fired these shots.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, the, the best thing you can do these days is try to look for some visual tells for it to be AI and there are some out there, by the way. There might not be for all that much longer. As these videos get more and more advanced, then you're really just trying to go on chain of custody. Who had this, who posted it? But yeah, I have very little doubt that this video. I have, I'm 99% sure this video is real.

[Buck Sexton]

I would say that I would go even higher. I mean, it would. You would have to be the greatest AI artist of all time to fake this when you see the different perspectives involved. So let's break it down because people can't see it yet and you can't even. You can go on social media and you can watch it at Clay Travis, at Buck Sexton. We have shared it at the Clay and Buck show. So this is one where if you want to see for yourself and make your own determination, we encourage you to go look at the video that we have shared on our social media feeds. Now, with that in mind, Buck, you have trained. I'm going to, I'm going to make you the expert here. You have trained. I've done this a little bit because from a legal perspective, I've done it. But you have spent a lot of time training on simplified good shoot, bad shoot. So if you were charged with analyzing this from a good shoot, bad shoot perspective, what should people know about what this video shows and how would you analyze it? From a good shoot that is it is a legal opportunity to shoot someone. And a bad shoot, that is it would be illegal and you could potentially face criminal charges. Right.

[Clay Travis]

And I'm glad you clarified that too, because when you say something like clean shoot or good shoot in law enforcement or law terminology, it's not like celebrating and high fiving over it. It just means that it was lawful. Right. I mean, it's sad when someone is, is killed in a whole range of law enforcement situations. You know, if someone's having a perfect example. Clay, the woman who came after that officer on the body cam, and I think it was Virginia, came after a.

[Buck Sexton]

Basketball player with the butcher knife.

[Clay Travis]

Right. I. He had every right to shoot her. He did nothing wrong, but it was a terrible. She clearly was having a mental breakdown and it was a very sad situation. But he had to Shoot her a good shoot, quote unquote, good shoot. That's not, oh wow, I'm so glad that this thing is a horrible thing that happened. But he did nothing wrong, nothing unlawful in the shooting. And in fact in that case, clearly, I mean it was beyond any reasonable doubt at all. There's no doubt had to shoot to save his life, which he has every right, every human being. You have a right to self defense. That is innate. You have a natural law right to self defense. No state, no entity, no government can say sorry. Now Democrats pretend otherwise. They sometimes want to make self defense. In fact, they generally want to make self defense illegal. They want to disarm you, they want to prosecute you. Depends of course on the situation. You know, who are you defending yourself against? Are you defending yourself against an oppressed person? Then perhaps it's not self defense because we have to look at the historical context. Anyway, first thing, Clay, is you'll look at this. And this, this even goes to just my concealed carry course here in Florida, which so many millions of you listening have done in different states where you get into am I in reasonable fear of my safety or the safety of somebody that I am immediately capable of responding to protect. So it's not just I have a firearm, by the way, we're going to talk about this law enforcement context in a second. I just mean for everyday civilians, you have a legal self defense right in the way it breaks down. Yes, it's different verbiage. And there's, there's duty to retreat, there's Castle doctrine. There's all these things in different states that can come into play. But the very basic one is, the very basic self defense is do you have a reasonable fear of serious bodily harm and or death for you or somebody that you are intervening to protect in a reasonable way. So if I draw my pistol, some guy pulls a knife out and says, I'm going to kill you. Give me your wallet. Oh, I actually am concealed carrying right now. I get to my Smith and Wesson bodyguard, I put two in his chest. That's, that's a lawful, you know, he's put a knife up to my throat. He said, I'm going to kill you. Lawful use of force. If he does the same thing to my wife or a friend of mine that I'm walking down the street with, again, lawful use of force for me to draw my weapon because I can articulate. This person had a lethal, lethal weapon up against me, threatened me with it. They forced the confrontation, Clay, that also comes into it. This Is important. I know this. In Florida law, you can't. I can't get into an argument with somebody. And this is a very good nuance in the law. I can't get into an argument. Somebody pulls me over, go run into my house, get a gun, go back out to, you know, the street or the bar or whatever. You can't bring him into a bar, but, you know, go. Go out and say, oh, yeah, let's go, buddy. That can be taken into account. Now you're instigating the situation knowing you have a firearm. That's different. Now you could be. Now, now you could be looking at a manslaughter situation, right? So in the case of law enforcement, are they acting within the scope of their.

[Buck Sexton]

Of their actual position?

[Clay Travis]

And we went through this even in the CIA, because I had weapons in the CIA. And, you know, even though we were abroad, you had to be able to articulate if you shot somebody as a CIA officer, they're going to treat it just like your FBI or anybody else, right? They're going to treat it like a law enforcement situation. So you have to be in the. In the lawful scope of your duties, and you have to be in a reasonable fear of serious bodily harm yourself, you know, for yourself or somebody immediately with you. Those are the two big things. This video to me proves beyond any reasonable doubt. The officer was acting in a lawful capacity, dealing with somebody obstructing a lawful operation, and is hit by a car that is clearly used as a weapon. If she wanted to get away, if she wanted to hit him, he can't tell the difference. So to me, it's a very, very clearly a clean shoot. Clay, based on what a standard law enforcement use of force would be.

[Buck Sexton]

Let me hit you with a couple of other details for those of you who are not able to see the video, and I understand we're sharing with you a video, talking about it on radio. This couple of details. The wife, this woman was a lesbian, and I don't know if she was officially married, but she had a partner, another woman. The wife is outside of the car. This ICE agent appears to be walking around the vehicle to get the license plate to be able to have the information. They are at parking, blocking the road as he is asking her to get out of the car. One of the ICE agents is. The wife says, drive, baby, drive. She yells it, drive, baby, drive. She wants her partner to flee. This interaction with the ICE agent, you then can see. And again, the. There has been a discussion. They've tried to say, well, she Just panicked. She didn't know what she was doing. She was like her. She is actually obeying the command of her partner and she looks directly at the ICE agent in front of her who is firing the. The shot who fired the shots that killed her. She is looking directly at him when she accelerates. So the, the. Some people tried to say well she never saw him like he, she wasn't aware that he was there. She was no, you can see his video shows her eyes looking directly at him. And I just, I think this is going to end the story. But for everybody out there who tried to demonize this guy and say that this ICE agent was a murderer like the mayor did, that the argument that he was defending himself was BS like the mayor did, that this was that he should be charged with crimes like mayor like Governor Tim Walls did. This video completely refutes that. And Buck, you and I were talking about off air. We don't know this company, this media company, Alpha News. Some of you may in Minnesota know more about Alpha News. This is a huge story for them and it AlphaNews.org I'm going to their website. This is the organization that published the, that published the story. I don't know anything about their predispositions, political dispositions, anything at all about. Seems like they may be a little bit right leaning but the stories that I'm seeing on the front of their website right now, it appears to be a nonprofit but this is a huge coup for them. So again you can go watch it. I would encourage you to go watch it. It has not yet. I'm a little bit surprised by this not yet aired on any of the cable news networks. So they are not talking about this yet. But JD Vance just tweeted, Buck, what the press has done in lying about this innocent law enforcement officer is disgusting. You should all be ashamed of your yourselves.

[Clay Travis]

Can I just also point out that our initial reaction to this based on far less clear video footage is nothing but confirmed by additional evidence and information. If that were not the case, we would speak to you honestly about that and say wow, I didn't see that angle or I didn't realize that aspect of it. Maybe this is. But I would just note everything we find out just goes more toward initially what we thought which I think is quite clearly a lawful use of force for this officer. So nothing has gone with more information. That position is strengthened without, without any change in that chain of events. So I think that's indicative of, of something going on here as well. And you know the Other part of it is, Clay can't mess around with people with guns who are doing their job as law enforcement officers. It's. It's a really bad idea to do. So this should be a. And this is something that clearly they're, like, training people to do this in different places. And this is not a game, all right? It's not a game to get in a car in snowy conditions and get in between cops. They're dealing with some of the people that these ICE officers are arresting. Thousands of them, in fact, are not just illegals. They're illegal pedos, illegal rapists, illegal gang members. Trenda Aragua. There was. We mentioned the Trenda Aragua guy was just involved in a shooting or got shot trying to run his car over people.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes.

[Clay Travis]

Getting in the middle of this is a dangerous and stupid thing to do. And also a criminal. It is criminal, Clay, for a reason. You know, the same way that it's illegal to block a highway, it's a dangerous thing to do. It is a stupid and dangerous thing to think that you are blocking cops from doing their jobs because you don't like federal law, you don't like the policies in effect.

[Buck Sexton]

It's actually illegal to do that. Also, this whole world that we have created where we want to incentivize people to walk around with their cell phones and taunt other people while recording it in an effort to try to get a reaction. Look, what they are trying to do to ICE is exactly what happened. They want to accelerate the negativity and in some way try to get ICE agents misbehaving. The whole point of having their cameras out and filming them and taunting them while doing it is to get a viral moment that they can share to try to make ICE look bad.

[Clay Travis]

And I'll just say this again. It's something that I've been advancing as a theory for quite some time. Body cams basically defeated blm. God bless body cams. Once again, body camera footage shows us the truth of what happened. Clay, if there was no video of this incident, ho, ho, ho. There would be a whole different situation playing out right now. You'd have every Democrat going with the most, you know, fanciful and defamatory version of events to try to destroy this officer's life and try to. All because they want to undermine efforts to enforce immigration law under the Trump administration. Because we have video, it makes it a lot harder. And because you have video from the officer's perspective, you know, is that officer supposed to wait until the SUV is, like, actually crushing him? Like. Like the tires are on his chest and then he's allowed to. I'm just wondering what these lunatic libs think is going to be the policy here going forward. So body cameras, they thought. Clay, the left always thought that body cameras were going to show how much police brutality there is. No, it actually shows how much Democrat voters are lunatics and the cops are doing an amazing job. That's actually what body cameras show over and over again. And then the rare occasion when they don't. By the way, everybody on our side is like, great. Prosecute this cop for actual excessive force. They're not allowed to do that. But it's really, really rare, isn't it, everyone? That's what we see. Our look. There's no substitute for having enough energy to go strong all day, all week. This is the time of year when everyone's supposed to be getting geared up, right? It's January. You're doing new things. You got your resolutions in place. So here's a resolution for you. Take chalk. Chalk supplements into your daily equation will make such a big difference. I use chalk when I was getting into shape. I'm down £40. I got better energy. I feel like I can move more. I can get more done every day. Chalk's male vitality stack is their best seller. Chalk's male vitality stack includes an ingredient that has been proven to boost testosterone levels as much as 20% in three months time. The Patriots at chalk, it's spelled C H O Q are here to help American men proudly maximize their masculinity by boosting T levels. Don't be a Tim Walls voter. Take yourself to the next level with chalk. C H O q. Go to choq.com to unlock Chalk's New Year special for the month of January. When you subscribe with my name, Buck as your promo code, Chalk will send you a free $99 bag of chalk lit powder with your first delivery. That's chalk. Choq.com Buck start your year off strong, focused and energized today. Stories of freedom, stories of America.

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Brianna Lyman]

150 years ago today didn't just change the fate of eventually change the world. So Thomas Paine is unlike any of the other founders. And Thomas Paine is not necessarily a founder, but he's unlike any man of that generation. You have Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Sam Adams, John Adams. These are the greatest thinkers of their time, but they don't speak in a way that is necessary, necessarily palatable to the average American. And that's where Thomas Paine comes in. So Thomas Paine has a very good prose where he's able to deliver the ideas of the revolution of Enlightenment in a way that the average farmer or shopkeeper can understand. So he comes out with common sense today, 250 years ago. It's originally published anonymously. And the big thing it does is it says to colonists, trust what you feel. And he says, look, you are made in God's image. God has made all men equal. You are not being treated as equal. You feel angry about that. Trust those feelings. And at this point in the Revolution, a lot of colonists were still on the fence. They didn't know if they wanted to be loyalist, if they wanted to be neutral, or if they wanted to join the cause. This pamphlet helps push so many people over the edge, and it basically becomes the Biggest bestseller aside from the Bible in 1776.

[Clay Travis]

Astonishing stuff. And especially to do all this and to have such impact, Brianna, before Twitter and TikTok and Facebook and all of these things, although I guess you could say in some ways the pamphleteers of their era, it was kind of the original viral. The original viral content. Right. And had a tremendous, tremendous effect on those who read it. Payne went on to get a little over his skis in the French Revolution, if I remember.

[Brianna Lyman]

Yeah, yeah, he actually did. He ended up in jail. He in fact, wrote to Washington basically asking for help. And Washington, you know, is known as the guy that you don't get nasty with Washington and you certainly don't do it in public. And so I believe the story is when Washington ignored Payne's private letters for help, Payne went and made those public and Washington was irate. So Washington, Washington did not step in and help when Paine became troubled. And when Paine died a few years later, only six people attended his funeral. Because at the time he was not considered this great enlightened thinker. He was, you know, a rebel rouser. He caused a lot of problems in France and even in the colonies at some points. But now, of course, we look back and say this pamphlet changed the course of the revolution and brought on colonists who were on the fence.

[Buck Sexton]

Brianna, for people out there, because I'm reading right now, I just finished, these are big books. Rick Atkinson has got a trilogy about the Revolutionary War. Volume two just came out in the last six months or so. The. And it's fantastic. What would you suggest? You're a big history person. America 250. What couple of books or what would you suggest would be a good way for this audience and for people out there who may just haven't experienced as much of American history as they would like, what would you suggest they should seek out? What would be good to read?

[Brianna Lyman]

Oh, yeah, obviously common sense, I think is great, especially because it's, you know, time period accurate and relative to today. John Dickinson, his, you know, letters to the farmer were really important in the years prior to the revolution. I think people should avoid Ken Burns documentary if that's my thing of what not to do. Just because I think it's a little bit of a left wing tale of the American Revolution. But primary documents are extremely important. Reading letters, I think in particular from John Adams, Hamilton Hancock, that's going to be where you're going to feel the spirit of the revolution. And also coming to my Twitter page and watching Countdown to Freedom every day, two minutes and less to talk about the American Revolution.

[Clay Travis]

So. So you can you tell everybody about this so that it's a great opportunity for you to pitch this to a lot of.

[Buck Sexton]

We have.

[Clay Travis]

We have history. I'm going to say this, Clay. I think we have one of the biggest collections of history nerds in the world right now.

[Buck Sexton]

I think that's all with us.

[Clay Travis]

We are all. We all. We get excited about this Clay. And I go on to tangents about random history stuff. He's a big Civil War guy. I like, you know, ancient Greece and Rome and revolution stuff. Not as big into Civil War as Clay, but people love history who are listening to you right now. What is this? Two minutes? And what are you bringing together with it?

[Brianna Lyman]

Yeah. So I was inspired to do this because my seventh great grandfather served in the 3rd Massachusetts Provincial Congress with Hancock and Adams. So I feel like it's my obligation to kind of carry the legacy of 1776 forward. But basically every day in two minutes or less, I want to walk viewers through what was happening on this day in 1776. Because a lot of people think the revolution was easy, that it was easy to convince the colonists to join the fight, that it was kind of, you know, a one and done, but it was not that sort of thing. The Enlightenment ideas that the founders were bringing to the American people were not palatable. They were certainly not liked at anywhere or any place in the entire world except for the colonies, really. And the founders did what no other people could do. And you know, Buck, you mentioned the French Revolution. The French wanted to replicate what we did, and they fell. They couldn't do it to the degree we did it. We were the only people who could do it. So this countdown to freedom is supposed to help Americans understand just how intense the fight was for freedom and that it was not given to us. It was won by blood and sacrifice and a lot of turmoil.

[Buck Sexton]

Brianna, one thing that I think gets lost because I am reading more and more about the Founding era. Bucks. Right. I love the Civil War, but I've been reading more and more about the revolutionary era, the degree of intelligence and education from a historical perspective that all of our founding fathers had. I. I don't think gets talked about enough because they were trying to learn from all of the failures of history as it pertained to government. When they were creating this new government and they all spoke a common language, they understand the history, understood the history of Greece and Rome and everything throughout the course of human history. And this may be disappointing. How well do you think our current political Leaders understand history and how much does that hamstring them often because they don't have the same depth of knowledge that 250 years ago the guys who founded this country, we were fortunate enough did have.

[Brianna Lyman]

Yeah, I mean, look, let's be honest. Thomas Paine, for example, I think he dropped out of school when he was like 12 or 13 years old. So many of the founders only got education up until maybe their mid teens, but they were getting a good education. Right. They're not being saddled with sociology and all this left wing, you know, drama we talk about today. Environmentalist issues, racism, all that stuff. They were focused on the core things that mattered. The other thing that they had that we just do not have is they had a robust religious atmosphere. Right. Christianity was the impetus for the entire revolution because the founders looked and saw that the Bible says in Genesis, all men are created equal in God's image. Right. If all men are created in God's image, all men must be equal. They applied that fundamental Christian teaching to every single thing they did. That was the basis for the entire revolution. We don't have politicians, one that are that religious, that understand religion and theology that deeply, and they don't really have a compass to guide them except for whatever is, you know, the flavor of the month. And that's the problem.

[Clay Travis]

What is, if you're giving some recos here, other than your two minutes of history, which I think a lot of people now are going to be going to check out, what are some either books, series or movies on the revolution that you would recommend to an audience of history super nerds.

[Brianna Lyman]

Well, I think my first go to place is go to Claremont Institute. I just did a fellowship this year. They are the premier thinkers of enlightenment, ideology and of the founding. And they have a ton of stuff, you know, Charles Kessler, Glenn Elmer. These are people that understand the founding in a way no one else does. They have videos, articles. You go watch that. There's a great book called the Cause. I'm drawing a blank on the name. I think it's by a guy with the first name John, but I'll tweet that out. I think also it's fun to watch movies like the Patriot, like Gettysburg. I know Gettysburg is obviously about the Civil War, but it really shows you because the Civil War was the last battle of the revolution. If we think about the revolution as being all men are created equal. So those are really good movies just to kind of put you in that spirit and give you a backdrop that you may not necessarily get before you Go dig into those deep and heavy readings.

[Clay Travis]

I have the Road to Charleston here, Clay. I'm looking at it. It's on the top of my next up stack. I have a stack of. I have stacks of books that are my. That's how I arrange these things. And I have the Road to Charleston just off camera, which gets into a whole lot of things, including the British huffiness about officers being shot that you see in the Patriot. That was a real thing. They, they actually thought, hey, how dare you shoot our officers? And the Americans were like, yeah, dude, we're shooting your officers.

[Buck Sexton]

By the way, the book, the Cause is what you were referencing. The American Revolution and its Discontents, I believe by Joseph Ellis. And I know we brought you on to talk revolutionary war, but I know you also are a Civil War person. Did you see Tim Walls refer to the current situation in Minneapolis as the equivalent of the third day of the Battle of Gettysbur? Brianna?

[Brianna Lyman]

Oh, believe me, I did. And that was the most reckless thing. On top of calling this a murder that Tim Wallace or the Democrats could do, because we have watched over the past, what, two years, Democrats make clear they're in an open rebellion against the federal government and against federal immigration law. And then he doubles down on that and publicly basically says we're like a little quasi civil war at the federal government. If that is the case, then President Trump needs to respond accordingly to states that clearly want to secede.

[Clay Travis]

There we go.

[Buck Sexton]

Good search. Find her at the Federalist. Brianna Lyman. Fantastic stuff. We'll have you on again and again. Two minutes. Maybe you got kids or grandkids out there that don't have great long term commitment to history. You can share some of these videos with her, including the Thomas Paine information today. Thank you, Brianna.

[Brianna Lyman]

Thanks so much.

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