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Clay Travis
This is an iHeart podcast. Welcome everybody to the Monday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show. Much to discuss from over the weekend. Mr. Clay, I hope you are tanned, ready and rested. Well, you're. Are you. No, you're not in Florida. You're in Nashville. So I don't know, you can probably.
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Buck Sexton
I'll be in Atlanta this afternoon for the All Star Game festivities. We'll have some fun talking about that, but I was here all weekend hanging out with the boys, just having a good time. What about you?
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Clay Travis
Yeah, same man. Just catching up on some of the things going on on the interwebs right now. Some pretty intense conversations that are happening involving many of our friends from the news and commentary side of things. So we can discuss some of that also. There is now reporting that Donald Trump is going to be escalating the support that we give to Ukraine imminently to include offensive weapons and Patriot missile systems. Trump is ticked off, you could put it, put it that way. He is ticked off at the games that Vladimir Putin has been playing. He says that Putin is very nice on the phone calls, but then is doing terrible things at night. And some fascinating reporting coming out about what modern drone warfare, Clay, looks like we have entered the phase now where this, this is, it is here. It is no longer something that is theoretical and we can discuss some of that. I think it's a fascinating change in how nation state level combat is going to be engaged going forward. Biden and the auto pen. I have a feeling Clay is excited about this one. Biden and the auto pen in the New York Times over the weekend. A little more cleanup on aisle Biden going on there. The headline, not really, not really matching up with some of the story. And then there's some continued discussion, a little bit going on out there about transparency and the DOJ and Epstein and the case and all of the above. So with all of this in mind, Clay, I didn't. Oh, we have also Governor Brian Kemp of Georgia.
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Buck Sexton
Right.
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Clay Travis
Will be with us today. Yes. Talking about all the things Georgia. Also the, the All Star, the baseball. All Star game. I do not think I could name. I do not think I could name a baseball player in the All Star Game right now. The Japanese fellow. That's. That's right, the Japanese fellow. I could name him. That's it. So I'm pro. Ohtani is my guy because he's the only one that I know. And, and with that, Clay, I've laid out the menu I was going to let you order for where we dive in first here, because there's, there's so much to work through, so much to discuss.
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Buck Sexton
To me, first of all, there was a lot of stuff going on over the weekend and we're going to hit it all. But to me, the story dropping Sunday night in the New York Times with Joe Biden surrounding the auto pin and the pardons, it was a. As I was reading it, I was like, oh, man, this is a really big story. And I don't know how many people have recognized it yet, but let me just give you a couple of details that to me give an indication of how big this story could become. I didn't realize this, but Joe Biden didn't do an interview with the New York Times for his entire presidency. I, I mean, again, if you were wondering about what they thought about his cognitive ability, whatever you want to say about the New York Times, yes, they are oftentimes communist, but the people that they employ are not morons as writers. These people are fairly intelligent. And the fact that they hid Biden from them for his entire tenure, even though the New York Times would have been in many ways propaganda for the Biden regime. Remember, I would say one of the most consequential articles the New York Times published on the front page was Biden saying that he was upset with Merrick Garland's pace and he wanted to see more charges brought against Trump. That's basically using the New York Times to be the method by which you give your message. While then you can say, oh, I never tell my attorney General what to say or what to do with. Well, you just did in the New York Times. Like he's gonna read that. He's gonna see it. So the fact that he never did an actual interview is remarkable. And then I read the interview excerpts.
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Clay Travis
Buck.
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Buck Sexton
Oh my goodness. And I would encourage, I shared these. We need to link it at Clay And Buck, I would encourage all of you to go read the interview excerpts from Biden trying to explain how they use the auto pin for all these pardons. That's point one. Point two, the article itself, it is devastating to the Biden administration, even from the New York Times. It makes me feel that there is a full fledged panic inside of the Biden team. And I would add on more steam here, if you are listening and you are investigating this. Joe Biden had no idea who was being pardoned. They use the auto pin even in the quotes that he gave. He basically indicates that he didn't really know who was getting pardons. They were late night pardons. The People that Biden supposedly instructed to give the pardons didn't even hear it themselves. A third party called up the auto pin people and said, hey, Biden said this is okay. And then they signed thousands of pardons. This is a huge holy crap moment for me. Again, I understand the auto pin has been used before, but when you read this article, the New York Times wrote, the fact that they gave Biden an interview with them, there is, I think, a full fledged panic over potential criminality relating to the way these pardons went down.
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Clay Travis
No one's going to prison for this. You really think, you really think there's going to be charges? I mean, come on, really? Over pardons? Based on the Biden style?
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Buck Sexton
I think that the pardons.
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Clay Travis
He's a vegetable. We know he's a vegetable. They were running the government without him. But you think people are worried about going to jail over this?
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Buck Sexton
I think they're worried about being called to testify because it is quite clear, I think even based on this New York Times article, that Biden had no idea who was getting pardoned.
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Clay Travis
Well, the New York Times article was supposed to make it seem like it wasn't that, that it wasn't that bad. I mean, you look at the headline, right? The headline of it is that Biden says that he was aware, right? I mean, it's Biden says he made the clemency decisions that were recorded with auto pen. So Biden says that. But then what you're citing is the details of the actual reporting. Seems like Biden wasn't really aware, but it's going to be enough.
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Buck Sexton
They wouldn't have put him. Here's my thought, Buck, and I'm curious if you would sign. I think putting him on a call with the New York Times for the first time in five years is a sign that internally they're starting to panic about this and they wanted Biden. You know, first of all, putting Biden on the call is a sign of desperation. And the fact that you go read these quotes, it actually, to me, in many ways, even though the headline doesn't suggest it, in many ways, it actually is worse for them than. Than if they had just said, oh, this is all crazy, like Biden, Biden was involved. The fact that they went through these details actually shows you that he wasn't really very involved.
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Clay Travis
Well, that's what I mean, they're trying to give you. The headline doesn't really match the conclusion you would have from the actual reporting in the piece. So they want people. What they're doing is they're putting forward a story to make it seem like this has been dealt with and then they want you to come away with a conclusion that's not really an evidence by the facts presented. Right. This is a, it's really a pretty effective or a tried and true propaganda technique. But I don't think, look, I could be wrong on this one, but I don't think that anyone is worried about criminal charge. I think there's a lot of embarrassment here for people that worked around Biden. I think their careers are probably finished. What, I mean what would the charge. You'd have to think the charge would be like defrauding the American people of their representatives of representative democracy or something. I mean what.
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Buck Sexton
Or you know, of their republic. The fact that everybody has taken the Fifth and that they're not lying. Again, I understand some people are going to say, what do you, somebody out there I think may have flipped. This is my thought. And somebody is going to be a canary and single on all the COVID up. But just sometimes you have to look behind. Why would he take the Fifth?
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Clay Travis
Now bureaucracy man, they're all going to point fingers are going to say I did a little part of this and he did a little part of that. Why would I knew a little bit.
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Buck Sexton
Of this take the Fifth?
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Clay Travis
Well it's easy for the doctor to take the Fifth because he can just say I can't speak about this.
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Buck Sexton
No, he could have just said hey, under hipaa I can't talk about all this. He was specifically taking the Fifth when he was asked if anyone told him basically to be involved in a conspiracy about Joe Biden's overall health. I just look at all these signs. They tried to run to the New York Times to try to put this auto pin thing to bed and instead I think it has blown up and turned into a bigger story. Now your point and this is the larger context that I think everybody out there is so frustrated about. Across the board we have all these people doing all these illegal things, right. Put it in whatever category you want.
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Clay Travis
From and nobody ever gets in trouble.
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Buck Sexton
Nobody ever gets all the way through the entire Biden team. And there are never any, there's no accounts for any of. Well, this is why I don't want.
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Clay Travis
Everyone getting excited that like Biden's top advisors are going to prison. I'm here to tell you they're not. Okay, so just, just so everyone's clear, like maybe they're a little bit nervous but that's not going to. We, we don't want to over Promise and under deliver. And with that in mind, Clay, with that in mind, I, I do think we should note the Trump truth from over the weekend on the Epstein situation. Do we want to get into this? I think we have to get into.
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Buck Sexton
This a little bit because Trump lead us off. Yes, the Epstein people are still fired up and they were very unhappy at Trump. He got ratioed for the first time ever on his truth social post with the comments that he put out.
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Clay Travis
It looks like no one's going anywhere. Just to be clear, it looks like there's no resignations imminent from anyone in the FBI or the doj. Bondi, Bongino, Cash Patel, no one's going anywhere. That is the latest reporting, that is the latest storyline and here's Donald Trump himself writing on his truth. What's going on with my boys and in some cases gals. They're all going after Attorney General Pam Bondi who's doing a fantastic job. We're one team MAGA and I don't like what's happening. We have a perfect administration, the talk of the world and selfish people are trying to hurt it all over a guy who never dies. Epstein for years it's Epstein over and over. Why are we giving publicity to files written by Obama, crooked Hillary, Comey Brennan and the losers and criminals of the Biden administration who con the world with Russia, Russia, Russia, hoax, 51 intelligence agents, the laptop from hell and more. They created the Epstein files just like they created the fake Hillary Clinton Christopher Steele dossier they used on me. And now my so called friends are playing right into their hands. Why didn't these radical left lunatics release the Epstein files? Sorry guys, this is a long. It's a long truth. If there was anything in there that could have hurt maga, why didn't they use it? They haven't even given up on JFK or MLK files. No matter how much success we have, et cetera, et cetera, a lot about success. We're saving our country, making America great again. The left is imploding. Cash Patel and the FBI must be focused on voter fraud, Political corruption Act, sorry, Act Blue, the stolen election of 2020 and not on the inspired documents on Jeffrey Epstein. Let Pam Bondi do her job. She's great. Thank you. Let's keep it that way and not waste time and energy on Jeffrey Epstein, somebody that nobody cares about. Thank you for your attention in this matter. Donald J. Trump, your president, that's what he wrote over the weekend. So you know, just, just sharing with you what he wrote. So looks like there's no, all that stuff about I'll resign if someone else doesn't resign. Doesn't look like that's happening. So no one's resigning. And I think that the plan right now is to talk about trade deals or something. I don't know. This is missing something.
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Buck Sexton
No, I think Trump has let you know that he has got Cash Patel, Dan Bongino and Pam Bondi's back, that he doesn't want any of them gone and that he likes the team that he has put together and he thinks the Epstein entire story is a, is a distraction from things that he thinks are far more significant, that fair characterization of what he said over the weekend.
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Clay Travis
And so, you know, I've, we've been trying to thread this needle of what is true, what we don't know. We know the known unknowns, the unknown unknowns where we are on this one. And I don't know, I, I'm happy that at least there is robust conversation going on within the movement. How about this? There's a robust discussion that is happening on the issue, but I can't, I don't have power. You don't have power to do anything about these files. That's the correct. I don't have them. You don't have them? I haven't seen them. You haven't seen them. We think people should see them if they're there. If the people who have them say they aren't there. What are we going to do about it? This is where we are left with things, no doubt.
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Buck Sexton
And we'll take some calls. People may feel strongly about this. I think there'll be a few.
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Clay Travis
Yeah.
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Buck Sexton
Trump is basically saying, hey, this is a distraction. There's a lot of other things that I want to focus on and we'll take some calls, we'll react to that. Again, the governor of Georgia, I think this is significant culturally. Remember, Joe Biden said, hey, the state of Georgia put in place Jim Eagle laws that they pulled the all star game out of Atlanta over this. And the governor of Georgia has really, he's fired up about this. I think you're going to enjoy what Brian Kemp has to say on this front. At the top of the next hour, we'll take your calls. We'll break down all this and more. In the meantime, international fellowship of Christians and Jews, large presence in Israel to serve the ongoing need for assistance. Right now, situation is historically fragile and urgent. Israeli neighborhoods have been destroyed, lives lost, Untold more have been injured. Whether in peacetime or war. People of Israel know an overwhelming number of ballistic missiles could fall at any moment from many different adversaries. When the sirens sound, they have less than a minute to reach a bomb shelter. Israelis don't have enough bomb shelters though. That's what the Fellowship is working around the clock to build and place hundreds of concrete reinforced bomb shelters, each of them ready when the next rocket strike occurs. The the fellowship is deploying 60 new bomb shelters, including 10 immediate replacements, 50 upgraded models with blast resistant steel doors to protect vulnerable Israeli communities from future threats. To learn more about the IFCJ and their life saving work, go online to IFCJ.org that's IFCJ.org you ain't imagining it. The world has gone insane. Reclaim your sanity with Clay and Buck. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Let's dive into some situations that I actually think are hugely we were talking about this off the air, hugely important and largely not being talked about at all. So Trump has now said, hey, I'm going to basically give Ukraine all the weapons they need, including weapons that could be used in an offensive manner. Okay, what do I mean by that? That means that weapons, missiles, attack weaponry that could theoretically even reach Moscow, we are now going to give to Ukraine. This is a substantial escalation in the overall quality of weapon that we have provided because to a large extent, we said in the past, hey, we're only going to provide Ukraine with defensive weaponry that is designed to attack Russia when they are coming into the country, but not these long range tactical weapons. It now appears that we are going to be providing long range tactical weapons. This was from the White House a bit ago. Earlier today, Trump asked about exactly this. What kind of weapons are you going to send to Ukraine? This is cut 29.
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Clay Travis
Will these be Patriot missiles specifically or.
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Buck Sexton
Patriot batteries that you're planning?
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C
And when do you, when do you think Patriots.
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Buck Sexton
It's all of them.
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C
It's a full complement with the batteries.
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Clay Travis
And when do you expect them to arrive in Ukraine?
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C
Well, we're going to have some come very soon, within days. Actually, a couple of the countries that have Patriots are going to swap over and we'll replace the Patriots with the ones they have and Matt will coordinate with NATO. But so it's going to be. They're going to start arriving very soon.
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Buck Sexton
Okay, I'm going to ask Buck about this in a sec. I want to play one more cut. Trump said, I got home and talked about the first lady, about his calls with Vladimir Putin and Melania Said, well, just listen, cut 31.
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C
I go home, I tell the first lady and I spoke to Vladimir today. We had a wonderful conversation. She said, oh, really? Another city was just hit.
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Buck Sexton
So it's like, look, okay, so Melania's paying attention to what Russia is doing. She's from Eastern Europe. Probably not a surprise that she would be paying attention to what's going on in Eastern Europe because it's her homeland. Buck, I want to ask you this. Everybody is focused on a lot of other stories right now. Am I crazy to think us giving these kind of weapons to Ukraine, given what has been said over the past several years about, hey, we want to limit the spread of this conflict? Conflict is actually a huge story. Part one, part two, Is there a way that Trump wants this to be out publicly to Putin to try to pressure him, hey, we better get a ceasefire or else there are going to be consequences inside of Russia. How do you analyze this? As a former foreign policy guy inside of the CIA.
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Clay Travis
I think that he's changing his position based on the reality of the conflict. I think this is a change in posture from Trump, which is based on the, like I said, the experience of seeing what it is that Vladimir Putin is really all about. And the problem here is it was very popular with the Republican base going into this election to say that we were going to stop. Well, it wasn't really even clear what it was. We were just, Zelensky is money laundering, they say, and Zelensky is doing all these bad things. And, and, you know, we don't want to get involved in another war. Okay, yes, absolutely. We don't want to get involved in another war, but are we going to stop sending them stuff or not? And that was the question that really wasn't answered on the Right. And anybody, I think, who was being honest and paying attention would, Would, Would admit. I mean, we just never got a full and clear explanation other than we're going to negotiate an end to the conflict. That was the plan. The plan is we're going to negotiate an end to the conflict. Putin doesn't want to do that. This is what we've really seen. So I think we need to look at this with what's actually happening. Putin sees a Ukraine, that it's fascinating stuff. Take, take apart the humanitarian, you know, casualties, catastrophes and awful stuff that's going on. It's fascinating just to see how quickly the war is evolving. Whereas now they're saying that drone technology is. Every 90 days, there's new drones with new capabilities that are being deployed on this battlefield. There's, there's suicide drones that are kind of like a missile with drone capability. There's Russian versions of the Reaper drone, which has both surveillance and offensive capability. There's all, I mean, there's drones that are launched by individual soldiers, drones that are, you know, 12ft across and are operating more like an unmanned plane or strike craft. I mean, there's a lot of stuff, and it really comes down to manufacturing capacity and technology, and that's what's really moving the front lines here. Part of what's going on is the Russians are just swarming Ukrainian air defenses with so many drones that they're running out of countermeasures. And then the Russians hit them with missiles in the cities and hit critical infrastructure and, and really try to punish them. So that's what's going on here. I mean, this is now a drone war of attrition. That is what we're in as well as a human being.
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Buck Sexton
1.
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Clay Travis
I mean, they're taking serious casualties on the front, but it's a drone war of attrition. And the problem that Trump is facing right now is that Vladimir Putin thinks he's winning because he is winning. He's, he is, he's going to be able to out punch in this match what the Ukrainians have. And so Trump is saying, all right, Putin, you jerk. And Trump's been pretty salty in his language about this. I'm not exaggerating. He's like, all right, for all the.
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Buck Sexton
People out there that spent years telling us Trump was Putin's stooge, he's actually aggressively going after Putin, frankly, on a level that most politicians, particularly on the Republican side, have not been willing. Right. I think that's kind of significant.
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Clay Travis
Yes. And he's saying, I'm going to do. Now, remember, Trump is the one who was willing to escalate in support of Ukraine at different points all along, it was Trump, not Obama, who was willing to give lethal aid to the Ukrainians back in the early days of this Russian slow motion invasion. And so Trump is now willing to say, ok, look, we try to get these guys that. You saw him, he smacked around Zelensky and said, all right, you know, you don't have the cards. We've got to get you to negotiating table. We've got, got to end this thing. And Zelensky, you could tell, was cowed by this a little bit or was a little like, ok, like, fine, yes, sir. And then he sits down with Putin, he goes, all right, buddy, what do we need here? To make a deal. And Putin's like, oh, you know, sure, let's make a deal. And then he keeps firing the missiles. Melania is spot on here. I just say, and this is the game that Putin is playing. He's saying, I want. I want peace, too. And then he just keeps firing missiles and doing even more. He's making Trump look bad. And making Trump look bad is not smart because he doesn't take well to that. So I think that you're going to see a major escalation here of the kind of munitions that we're giving. But I just want to be clear, that is a shift in policy, and the Trump base should be aware of that. That is a major shift in policy that is underway right now.
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Buck Sexton
I'm actually surprised that this has not. We had a massive debate about whether we should get involved in Iran, right? Everybody out there who voted for Trump, there were people who said, oh, it's going to start World War Three. Oh, there's going to be thousands of Americans that die. Oh, gas prices are going to go to over $10 a gallon. All untrue. But there were people out there making the argument that if we joined Israel and attacked, that there would be major consequences. Hey, this was not America first. This is not what I voted for. Suddenly, on Ukraine, there's almost no discussion about this at all, such that I think a huge percentage of you out there are hearing about this for the first time. Now, my analysis is that Trump is trying to, by doing this, let Russia know, hey, it's time to put down the weapons. And if you're not going to do that, there may be consequences for you, Russia, that you have had not to contemplate prior to now. The downside of this is if that doesn't work, then we are looking at an accelerated amount of fighting that could be occurring not only in Ukraine, but also in Russia. So I don't know how this is going to play out, but I think what Buck just said is very important. This is very different than, hey, we're going to. Even the Biden team basically said we're only going to give defensive weaponry, if any. And I think part of this is it's upsetting the political calculus, which is what Trump candidly does regularly, such that the left would have to say, wow, Trump is actually more supportive of Ukraine than Biden ever was, and that many people on the right would have to say, wait a minute, this is different than what we thought we were getting. And so a lot of people just pretend it's not Happening candidly.
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Clay Travis
Well, this is a pivot, and I don't see this going in some other direction. I don't think it's a head fake, Clay, because Putin has slapped away Trump's outstretched hand on this one a few times. And instead of even, he has used the period of Trump's outreach to bring together some kind of a, at least a real ceasefire, a durable ceasefire on this to escalate attacks. And so clearly what he's doing is he's showing Trump that he doesn't care. He doesn't care about these casualties at all that are happening. In fact, he plans to punish the Ukrainian military and the Ukrainian people more. And I just would say the concerns about the United States being dragged further into this should still very much be in play for everybody. Because you're now, you're talking about giving Ukraine weapons that can reach into Russia and hit Russian infrastructure. Because if you don't do this, Russia is just going to effectively overwhelm and, and become so dominant in this conflict that then you're really not going to be able to get them to stop. But how does Russia escalate? And what is the Russian response to this? And you talk about Patriot missiles. This is an advanced system that we're going to be operating inside of Ukrainian territory. We're going to, you know, where do we stop this? So I'm, I'm just very aware of the fact that we're concerned about mission creepy in the Middle east. We're concerned about mission creep in Ukraine. The mission's creeping a little bit. It's creeping a little bit. That's happening right now.
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Buck Sexton
Isn't it super fair to say that there's almost no discussion about this and it was 100 or a thousand to one, the debate about, in terms of coverage and contemplation and debate in terms of what we should do with Iran, associated with Israel and now this Ukraine. Russia decision, by and large isn't getting any attention at all. I just think that's very interesting. And again, I think anyone trying to predict how Vladimir Putin is going to respond to anything, it's difficult. I think the calculus that Trump is putting in play here is the only thing that Putin responds to is force and threat of force. And so Ukraine needs the ability to threaten Russia in their home country or else there's no way to get these two sides to the table. Is it right? I don't know. It's a big gamble. I think it's fair to say decisions about health care coverage and which plans right for you don't come easily in most cases. It's like choosing the best of the worst, something as important as healthcare insurance. You want to feel good about the choices you're making. Why settle for a government plan like the Affordable Care Act, AKA Obamacare. The when there's a better option out there? It's called Ease for Everyone and it offers affordable health care for as low as $262 a month. You can keep your doctor, never pay a deductible and access over 400 prescription drugs for free. Go online to the website, see what plan is right for you and your family. Ease for Everyone was developed by forward thinking experts located in my hometown of Nashville. Visit ease for everyone.com Clay to join today. That's ease for everyone.com Clay two guys walk up to a mic. Anything goes. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcast.
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Clay Travis
Talk to you a bit about what's been going on on the immigration front. Trump continuing to focus on this and put his administration on a mass deportation footing, which absolutely needs to happen. Something that was discussed all along and promised all along. Clay we mentioned this, I think because it was just on Friday, I believe now the day is all blend together. But there was a federal judge who came out and said you, meaning Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers, are no longer able to do whatever it is you're doing to determine who it is you're stopping and detaining and then trying to deport. In case anyone was wondering, Tom Homan, who was doing such a great job. You know, I had a friend asked me recently who's doing a great job, this administration. I was rattling off a bunch of names and we were just chatting about politics in life as, as one does. And Clay, I just, I had to kind of stop and just give a special shout out. You know, I had to pour some out for my, my good friend here, Tom Homan, who's doing an incredible job. And he also, you'll notice, never backs down and is never, never cornered. Nobody puts Homan in a corner. He's never cornered by these, whether it's the judges or the media or the Democrats or anything. This is a man on a mission and it's a critical mission, one that is necessary for the salvation of this country as a country. And here he is speaking about that federal judge who thinks that she is just in charge of immigration policy. Homan's having none of it. None of it.
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D
Play 9 We won't litigate that order because I think the order is wrong. I mean, she's assuming that the officers don't have reasonable suspicion. You know, they don't need probable calls to briefly detain and question somebody. They just need reasonable suspicion, and that's based on many articulable facts. So unless she's in the officer's mind, I don't know if she make that, you know, decision that, well, they're not using reasonable. Reasonable suspicion. How does she know that? I mean, every officer has to, you know, bring articulable facts to. To raise reasonable suspicion that it can briefly detain. I don't know how she knows that, but I don't think any federal judge can dictate immigration policy. That's a matter for Congress and for the president. And I know Department of Justice is going to litigate this. We won't take it to the appeals court.
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Clay Travis
Clay. It just feels increasingly like some of these federal judges, it doesn't matter to them what Congress says or what the law actually says. They just try to find ways to. To throw a wrench into the gears of this process. I think increasingly they. They must recognize, some of them must recognize that they're going to be overturned, maybe even on appeal. But certainly if it gets to the Supreme Court level with some of these orders that they are dropping, that they are dropping, and it does a lot of damage to the judiciaries, to the faith that people have in the judiciary. And, and I think that it just shows you how important an issue this is.
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Buck Sexton
I think that a lot of these judges, one, have decided that they are the front line of Trump 2.0 resistance because the Democrat Party, by and large, has no opposition to Trump in terms of a figure or figures that can provide an alternative vision for the country in a coherent and intelligent way. So they're to the side. We made fun of this, but it certainly has basically proven to be the case. There's almost no in the streets resistance to Trump 2.0. We talked about the bedraggled, sad, anti Trump inauguration parties. Sorry, our parties, pro to the parties, the protests. And it was cold and it was old people, and they were like beating drums. And they all looked like they weren't really committed to it. And I know they had that one. What was it? No Kings Day, which is actually July 4th, ironically enough, but they had a.
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Clay Travis
No King, also known as no testosterone Day. You saw the actual protests going on.
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Buck Sexton
But even that didn't really. I mean, I know it got attention from the media, but it vanished within a few hours.
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Clay Travis
It just sounds Lame. They're not even good at the, at the, the rage as, like, they used to have better stuff. Like, even no one uses hashtags anymore. So hashtag resistance has served its purpose and is no longer useful. But, you know, no King's Day, I don't even know. It sounds like a lame holiday in some country that you don't really want to visit. Like, it's just not good.
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Buck Sexton
Well, and I think what it speaks to is they defined Trump to the best of their ability as a racist white supremacist. And that worked for a couple of years because those are awful things for someone to say about you. But then people started to look through the actual charges and they said, there's not really anything to support this. And when you're winning the majority of Latino men in America and when your percentage of the black vote sets a record high since the civil rights movement, it's hard to argue, oh, this guy is supremely racist white supremacist. So they moved to oligarch, they moved to fascist. They moved to all these words that people don't know as well. And it hasn't mobilized. And so I think the decision by these judges is, first, we're going to be the front line of defense. Second, I think they see it as career, career acceleration as a way to gain promotions, because if you are seen as the most fundamentally ardently committed against the Trump team, they're playing the long game. These guys and gals have lifetime sinecures. They have jobs that they can never be fired from. By and large, we don't impeach judges very often. And so they know, hey, we'll be the most virulently anti Trump element out here. And then when the circuit court's judgeship comes open or, or when a, when a Supreme Court justiceship comes open, I'm going to put myself higher in the, in the category. And I do think we should mention this. The perfect distillation of this is Katanji Brown Jackson. I've read some of the quotes that she is giving, and I couldn't believe it. And I think you're seeing the other eight members of the Supreme Court recoil against her because she says, basically, hey, I'm on the court. It's really important that everybody knows my opinions. She doesn't mean judicial opinions. She means opinions like what should exist in the world. And I flagged a couple of these quotes and I was reading them again over the weekend. I say this as someone who went to law school. What she is arguing for is not Judgeships. If Ketanji Brown Jackson wants to run for the Senate, or she wants to run for governor, or she wants to run for President of the United States, and she says, I believe X, Y and Z. And let me tell you why it's important, good for her. That's how the democratic process should work. But we shouldn't have judges, particularly not judges on the Supreme Court who are just writing their political opinions time after time. And I think the judges on the Supreme Court are fed up with it. I think you saw it from Amy Coney Barrett where she basically completely destroyed Katanji Brown Jackson's dissent. And I think increasingly even Sotomayor and even Kagan are looking at Katanji Brown Jackson and saying, you're not a judge, you're just an activist. And I think there are a lot of Katanji Brown Jacksons that got elevated during the Biden term who have nothing and no interest in actually being judges. They want to be members of the legislature that are given the ability to share their actual personal opinions.
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Clay Travis
This is what always places conservative jurisprudence, unfortunately at a political disadvantage. This has been the case for a long time. But left wing activist judges know that they are to use their position to deliver results for the team. And the law is not supposed to get in the way. And unfortunately on the right you have people who will. You have conservative jurisprudence, constitutionalists who feel like, you know, even if this is a really bad thing for the country or even if this is a really immoral outcome, this is what the law says based on what the Constitution says. And that is the way that it is. Ketanji Brown Jackson is not even pretending that that's a concern anymore. She's just, my team wants X, so my team should get X. That's it. And her team is the left, the Democrats. And the so called living Constitution theory, which is fascinating when you think about it, doesn't really say what it says. It kind of says what you want it to say. Ok, well, that's fun.
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Buck Sexton
Well, and I even think she's taken a step beyond. Look, all judges and anybody out there that's been a lawyer or involved in the judiciary process know this on some level can look at the law and use the law to get to a result that they want to get to. That's just the reality. And some judge are going to be more expansionist in the way they look at it. Some are going to be more reticent. However you want to establish what your philosophy is. My concern with her is she's not even Really, I mean, this is what Amy Coney Barrett said in her, in her majority opinion, which the 6, 3 opinion, if I remember correctly, just ridiculing Katanji Brown Jackson. She's not even saying, hey, the Constitution says X, and as a result, we have to do Y. She's basically, this is really, I think, important because it's happening more and more. She's saying I believe X and therefore we have to do Y. That's not being a judge, that is being a politician, and she's not even hiding it anymore. And I think it's actually somewhat offensive even to Sotomayor and Kagan, because at least they're trying to peg their analysis in some way.
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Clay Travis
Kagan, I'll give you Kagan on that one a little bit. I think Sotomayor is in. I think she's in the same place ideologically. She just hides it a little better, I think, like in my mind. And now we're getting really, now we're really nerding out. Kagan sometimes will say, look, this is what the law says. I'm a progressive and you know, it stinks. But this is what the law just based on her decisions. Right. The way it comes down, Sotomayor is more, you know, I, I hate this, but I'm going to. And I'm going to go against it, but I'm going to try to find some constitutional grounding for it. Katanji Brown Jackson is just, well, this is bad, so you can't do this. There's no, there's no way around it.
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Buck Sexton
I think she is the least qualified person to ever be on the Supreme Court. And I think that the other judges are looking around and kind of in disbelief that she's there. This is, look, you lawyers, by and large who end up on the Supreme Court or at high levels of circuit court judged them, are super nerds. And I say that affectionately. They really love practicing law. They love reading opinions. They like, they get in the weeds, even if they're progressives. Like, I'll give Elena Kagan a lot of credit here. I think she's super smart. And I think if you sat down and talked with her, you may not agree with her judicial philosophy and, but I think in a faculty lounge at Harvard, everybody would say, I respect her opinion. I don't think anybody respects Katanji Brown Jackson's opinion when it comes to the law. I mean, actual legal nerds. I think if you're, you know, the leader of some far left wing interest group, you respect Katanji Brown Jackson. Because she agrees with you, but she doesn't have the ability or willingness to peg it to the actual larger, you know, sort of judicial temperament that we have come to expect for generations on the Supreme Court.
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Clay Travis
I also think that we've reached a place where if you are talking about any kind of a political issue or you're even a political person, I don't think you or I, Clay, I mean, heaven forbid, but I don't think you or I would be able to get a fair trial in a court where one of these, even if it was like a civil thing, we don't have to talk about crazy stuff, criminal. But I don't think we would get a fair hearing from one of these Biden or Obama appointed activist judges that are constantly slapping down Trump. I just think that it would go, it would go against us in whatever way the judge could make it go against us. And, and that's a shame because we've actually lost something. The US System has always been imperfect, but there has been this ideal of it is about the law and it is not about the preferences of the individuals who are in the process. I don't think that's really possible, Clay, to make that case the same way anymore. I think everyone sees it's really politics. It's really politics, unfortunately.
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Buck Sexton
Well, and I think Ketanji Brown Jackson is the worst version of that probably that we've ever seen on the Supreme Court. I really do mean that. And I think even people on the left on the court are starting to be embarrassed somewhat of the fact that she's just a politician who happens to be wearing a robe as opposed to an actual judge. Uh, look, there's a new online hacking scheme. Recent college grads. They're the target. Cyber thieves trolling for people who want to get rid of their student loans. Who doesn't? Uh, and they offer help to reduce or eliminate those loans. All you have to do, name Social Security number, loan amount, and as soon as they get it, look out. Uh, like Lifelike detects and alerts you to potential identity threats you might not spot on your own. Like loans taken out in your name. If you become a victim of identity theft and you're a Lifelock member, you can rely on a dedicated US based restoration specialist at LifeLock to work with you to fix it. Guaranteed or your money back. I have Lifelock. You guys should have Lifelock as well. Join now for 40% off your first year with promo code Clay. Call 1-800-LIFELOCK or head to lifelock.com my name Clay as the promo code for 40% off. That's lifelock.com code Clay. Promo code Clay for 40 off. News you can count on. And some laughs, too. Clay, Travis and Buck Sexton. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Clay Travis
Clay, have you heard of the Rio Reset?
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Buck Sexton
Sounds like a trendy new workout, Buck.
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Clay Travis
It does, but it's actually a big summit going on in Brazil. The formal name is Bricks, which stands for Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa. But they've just added five new members.
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Buck Sexton
Smart move to stick with brics. We know what happens when acronyms don't end. They confuse everyone.
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Clay Travis
Well, that's an understatement. BRICS is a group of emerging economies hoping to increase their sway in the global financial order.
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Buck Sexton
Now that sounds like the plotline of a movie. I'm listening.
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Clay Travis
Philip Patrick is our Bruce Wayne. He's a precious metal specialist and a spokesman for the Birch Gold Group. He's on the ground in Rio getting the whole lowdown on what's going on there.
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Buck Sexton
Can he give us some inside intel? Absolutely.
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Clay Travis
He's been there since day one. In fact, a major theme at the summit is how BRICS nations aim to reduce reliance on the US Dollar in global trade.
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Buck Sexton
Yikes. That doesn't sound good. We got to get Philip on the line, Stat.
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Clay Travis
Already did. And he left the Clay and Buck audience this message. The world is moving on from the dollar.
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Buck Sexton
Quietly but steadily. These nations are making real progress towards reshaping global trade, and the US Dollar is no longer the centerpiece. That shift doesn't happen overnight. But make no mistake, it's already begun.
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Clay Travis
Thank you, Philip. Protect the value of your Savings account, your 401k, your IRA, all of them, by purchasing gold and placing it into those accounts and reducing your exposure to a declining dollar value. Text my name. Buck to 98. 98. 98. You get the free information you'll need to make the right decision. You can rely on Birch Gold Group, as I do to give you the information you need to make an informed decision. One more time. Text my name. Buck to 98. 98. 98 was the anniversary of the Butler, Pennsylvania assassination attempt on Donald Trump. A bullet ripping through his ear on camera. I remember. I remember those moments. You know that. That where were you when that people will think of A lot of times the JFK assassination. 911 is the big one for our generation. I remember frame by frame aspects of that morning and what was going on. I have a pretty seared into my brain memory. I Know, it wasn't long ago, so it's not that you can't really test that out quite yet, but pretty seared into my brain, you know, second by second of I was at the gym. I texted Clay and my family. Right as I'm watching this, I'm at the gym. It's very loud. It's Miami. So, you know, like, the reggaeton music is pounding, and I can't really, you know, hear or see anything on my phone.
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C
And.
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Clay Travis
I just remember looking down and seeing some of this stuff on Twitter. It was on Twitter that I saw the stuff initially and you sent me something, and I walked outside. There's a little ledge area where you can get outside, get some fresh air. And I remember walked outside and I thought, oh, my God, President Trump is dead for a second, because I saw the, you know, remember, I'm seeing frames of it. I'm going around. It's a loud place. And so for me, it almost felt like a Trump resurrection when he was brought off the stage. Fist pump. I thought there was about a 10 or 15 second period where I thought, oh, my God, they've taken Trump from us. So it was quite a day. And I think the country still needs to take stock of the fact that it was the ultimate we dodged a bullet moment in every sense, as a country for President Trump, sure. But as a country as well.
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Buck Sexton
I think that as time, I've been on this since the day after this happened. We were in Monday in Milwaukee at the RNC last year. I think the historical potency of that image and that reaction and that video and that moment is going to outlive by far anyone listening to us today. I think 100 years from now, everyone who watches that film will be inspired by what they saw. And I was thinking a lot about this over the weekend. Some of you may have seen President Trump was at the World cup club final, and he was on the stage with Chelsea, which is a team in the English Premier League in England that won this big. Basically, it's the World cup of pro soccer teams that was played in the United States. It was the first inaugural season they had ever done it. They're going to have the World cup here next year, which should be, honestly a lot of fun. And I think President Trump will be a big part of it. He was on the pictures.
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Clay Travis
Can you get a, you know, can you get a guy into some games here, buddy? Can you work some magic?
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Buck Sexton
I can get us. I think I can get us some tickets to some of those World cup matches. And Maybe we'll do the shows. I mean, I don't think they've announced where the US Team will play. Exactly. I think I'm correct in that some of you may, may, may have some idea, but, well, we can't know because we don't even know what, what groups everybody's going to be in. But my, my point on that is one year difference. Trump on the stage with Chelsea. I sent the picture to my 17 year old and he said, is this AI because it looks so funny. If you haven't seen it, it's Trump surrounded by the entire soccer team delivering the trophy and everybody celebrating. He's having a good time. One year apart from, I've got an idea here, I haven't heard anybody else suggest it that I'm aware of. So some of you may hear this and you may say, you're bonkers, you're loony, maybe. Correct. I think they should make Butler, Pennsylvania, they should make it a national park, a national monument. At minimum, I think that they should make a trope statue of Trump reacting as he did in that iconic image. And I think that people should be able to go there to that historic location and celebrate the courage, bravery, heroism of Trump. Also acknowledge the loss of life of Corey Campatore, the individual who was there at that rally and died on that day. I think that it would be profoundly important not for just today, but for years to come for kids to be able to go to that site, understand what political violence can do, and understand what bravery can mean in response to it. Now, I understand right now a lot of people out there view Trump as a very polarizing figure. Historically, maybe this will not be true, but historically, when presidents are no longer in office, they tend to become more beloved regardless of their party, regardless, frankly, of whether they were even that successful.
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Clay Travis
I think Bush is somewhat of an exception to that. W. Yeah, I think W. I think W got substantially less popular. Well, he was get. It was rough toward the end of the term. Two is rough for Bush, period. And I don't want to divert us from this discussion, but I'm just saying the longer stuff played out in the Middle east, the more people were really.
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Buck Sexton
Worse the decision making looked for Bush. I think there's some truth to that. But even a guy like Jimmy Carter, who I think most of you would say was a really bad president, even Richard Nixon, who left in disgrace, resigning by the time he died, there was a sort of rehabilitation in some ways of his image relative to how low it was.
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Clay Travis
People like me pointing out Nixon was a fantastic anti communist, fighting for the soul of the country against the red menace, which was very real, despite what the live media wants to tell you. So high five to Nixon on that.
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Buck Sexton
Made a lot of very good decisions. And I think presidents of both parties used his counsel. And in the time that he was gone, my point on this is some of you may say, oh, there's no way that I actually think, again, this is the nerd, the history nerd in me trying to think, hey, should we. I live on a battlefield, basically the Battlefield of Franklin, 1864, November 30th.
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Clay Travis
You ever go out there with one of those, like, metal detector things, try to find some belt buckles or some 50 cal mini balls?
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Buck Sexton
Every now and then, people still find cannonballs and all this stuff, like, near where I live. They didn't do a good job preserving the battle. The battlefield itself has basically been overtaken by the growth of the city. There's not a ton of physical location of the battlefield left. Whereas you go to a place like Gettysburg or you go to a place like Shiloh, I've been to all of them. You go to some Civil War battlefields. Partly it's because they're still somewhat rural. Okay, understood. And a city like Nashville or Atlanta, where there were battles, Richmond, and a lot of growth has occurred since. That's natural. But I think that we should preserve this physical location and I think we should turn it into some form of national monument to oppose political violence and also simultaneously celebrate the bravery that we saw that day. I think that's a historically resonant idea that should take root. And I haven't heard anybody talk about it, so I'm going to pop it out on social media. I'm saying it, obviously on this show, and I think a lot of people are saying, oh, you're crazy, because they're caught in the past.
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Clay Travis
It's disappointing. Disappointing that you have not given me an opportunity to say that you are crazy. I was looking forward to it. I'm a little bummed right now. No, I think that's a very. I think that's an excellent idea. I think it's very valid. I think that what Trump did was one of the most iconic, visually, emotionally, psychologically, one of the most iconic moments in American politics, period. And a positive one, right? I mean, yeah, I think it's tough. You know, 911 is seared into the, you know, the center cortex of our brains. Fine. Obviously, a horrific day. Trump surviving that day and dealing with it the way that he did. And look, let's hear. This is what President Trump said about this. This is cut 12. He said it out loud. He really believes it, that he thinks he was saved to save the country.
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C
Well, I went through a lot. It was a crazy time. Very surreal, actually, if you want to know the truth. It's. I've got this massive crowd of people and all of a sudden you hear and you feel something that's very unusual. And I got down quickly and I was, you know, people screaming, get down, get down. It was a whole. The whole thing was just crazy. And it's hard to believe. A year is up and here we are. A lot of things have happened since then, including the president say so I have an obligation to do a good job, I feel, because I was really saved. I was really saved by somebody very special. But now I owe a lot and I think, I hope the reason I was saved was to save our country.
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Buck Sexton
I hope that he is right and I think he's done an incredible job. And I would just point out about the national monument, national location there in Butler. Look, our studio in Washington D.C. is just down the block from Ford's Theater. And I believe it's the Peterson House across the street where Lincoln was taken and died there. In that, in that house, there are historic sites that are unfortunately tied to one of the worst moments in the history of America. And it's right, right. We shouldn't have torn down Ford's Theater. We shouldn't have torn down the house across the street. It's important to understand what happened to the nation and what evil can do sometimes to triumph over, for the short term, the President of the United States and the difficulty of the nation of healing and all these things. I think that it is, again, I'm thinking 50, 100 years into the future. I don't want that Butler Pennsylvanite to get developed and something else to happen. I think it should turn into a national monument. And I don't know that there's very many places that I would point to that, that, that exist historically that I think are going to be this resonant years to come. I mentioned when I went to Israel, when I went to the Nova Music Festival, we walked around there. I feel like that site is likely hundreds of years from now to still exist as a memorial against religious intolerance. And the idea that you would slaughter people because they happen to live in a country or support a religion that's different than yours is fundamentally wrong. I think the idea that Trump there would, would that someone would have Tried to kill him. And then we came within a quarter of an inch. I watched a lot of those displays again of just the fact that he turned to look at that Ron Johnson graphic. Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, Gay. But for that graphic being on the screen behind him, Trump will be dead right now, and our nation will be in a very different place. And I think that's a conversation it's important to have. I think it's one that's important to have in the decades to come for kids that didn't live through it.
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Clay Travis
And I think when. When there's. When the heat is getting turned up, and I understand why people have been upset and feel very passionately lately about. About things. It is worth noting the country could have been plunged into the abyss one year ago.
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Buck Sexton
Yes, in a way.
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Clay Travis
I mean, the whole country. Right. I'm talking big stuff, historical, you know, epic changing kind of stuff in a bad way. And we. We should take stock of our blessings, too. There's a lot of stuff that is going very well right now in the country. President Trump is president. Just take this for a moment. Kamala Harris could have been the president of the United States. It wasn't that far off. Think about what would be going on right now. Okay. So it's. And think about how the country is feeling if Kamala becomes president because Trump was assassinated during the campaign and whoever took his place, for whatever reason wasn't able to. No one would accept that as, oh, well, this is the will of the American people. So, yeah, we should. I just think it's important to take a moment in time to say to yourself that the country was saved and that Trump views himself as having been saved to help the country.
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Buck Sexton
Think about this, buck as we go to break. What would the nation's reaction have been if they assassinated Trump and then on November 5, they told you Kamala Harris won the election?
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Clay Travis
That's what I mean. Yeah.
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Buck Sexton
I mean, on that night, I think there would have been. I mean, I cannot impress upon you enough how incredibly important from a historic perspective it was that Trump turned his head at that last instant. And you can attribute it to Providence. You can attribute it to the good fortune that this nation has traditionally embraced. There's a lot of different things you can point to. Providence sometimes is tough because people will say, well, Corey Campatori died.
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Clay Travis
So I think.
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Buck Sexton
I think that's.
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Clay Travis
I know, I know. But I think. I think even the atheists at the rnc, Clay, when we were there. Not that there are many of them in the rnc But I think even people that question these things felt like there was more than what we know involved in saving Trump's life that day. And we were saved along with it in a very important, very powerful way. All right. One of the highest priorities of the Trump administration is improving our economy. Of course, the bill passed by the Senate and signed into law by President Trump on July 4th is just one part of the plan. However successful they are, it's impossible for them to consider your own personal finances. That's on you. One way to accomplish this, one way to take action today to protect yourself, to diversify, to make smart decisions for the long term, is diversifying your savings account from all cash to cash and gold. In the past year, gold has increased. Ready for this? 40% 40 40% in value. There's some very important systemic reasons for this, like central banks and countries all over the world buying up gold to hold themselves. You know, they kind of know something about currencies and inflation. Birch Gold makes owning physical gold extremely easy. They can easily convert an existing IRA or 401k into a tax sheltered IRA and physical gold or help you buy gold to store in your home safe. Text my name Buck to 989898 Birchgold will send you a free info kit on Gold A Plus rating with a Better Business Bureau. Tens of thousands of happy customers, including me, take control of your savings today. Text the word buck to 989898.
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