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Tommy Lahren
Thanks for being here.
Clay Travis
It is steamy down here in South Florida, I can tell you that much. I'm hearing other places too. Feeling the heat. Feeling the heat. Good times.
Tommy Lahren
It's hot in the summer Every year they seem to decide that oh my goodness, this is the impact of global warming and everything else, but I can impress upon you that it has been hot for a long time.
Clay Travis
This is the kind of astute analysis we bring to you on clay and Bach reminder. It gets hot in the middle of summer in much of this country of ours. So yes indeed, true story. And and if you have the chance, this is a great time to get into some shade, preferably despite what the Europeans think, indoors with air conditioning, because air conditioning is one of the greatest inventions of the last hundred years or so and sit back, relax, listen to some Clay and Buck, that is the way to beat the heat, my friends. Best way to do it. So we've got some very good news to dive into on the economy. And then we have some distressing but not surprising news about the flagship propaganda newspaper of the Democrats, the New York Times, that we will dive into as well as some follow up to stories from yesterday. Donald Trump, also a whole bunch of commentary on, on on Gaza, on the Wall Street Journal suits that he now has the deep state and and more. So we've got a lot to dive in. Let's start though with this because I think it is one of those times where even the people who clay pretty much spend all day thinking about how to bash Trump, undermine him, say he's terrible, doesn't know what they're having to step back and say, you know what, it's pretty good what's going on with this economy. Actually, I wasn't right when those people weren't right when they said tariffs were going to ruin everything. Let's start with this Q2 quarter two growth rate. CNBC's Rick Santelli laying it out for you. Play one.
Rick Santelli
We are expecting a number around 2.5% and they're out. Up 3%. Up 3% better than expected. That would be the Highest level since 3Q24 when it was up 3.1% on the consumption side, up 1.4. Very close to estimates. Up 1.4 would be the best since last quarter of 24.
Clay Travis
Clay It's a surprise to people who thought Trump was going to tank the economy. But I'm just going to say I think we're going to have to ride along on Trump's victory lap here for a moment. We told everybody he's earned the right to the trade negotiations the way that he wants to. He has earned the space for everyone to take a beat. You said don't sell, by the way. That was very good advice. We're not a financial show, but better advice here than you get on a lot of other financial shows. Don't sell. Trump knows what he's doing. 3% growth. And just real quick, Clay, before we die, here's CNBC's Joe Kernan and Rick Santelli just having a laugh at all the Trump haters on the economy because that is richly deserved right now. Play two.
Joe Kernan
The left and people that don't like the president and don't want things to work and you know, like Senator Elizabeth Warren will come on and say inflation's out of control and the economy is getting killed by, by what's happening by these tariffs. But this 3% with the market at new highs and really we haven't seen inflation go up back to three. Maybe it will this week, maybe we'll see it. But none of these horrible things have happened. But they still talk like it's happening. It's amazing.
Rick Santelli
The Democrats, of course, as you pointed out, really don't want to see the current administration have some success. But there's no doubt that this is some success. We're seeing more horsepower, we're seeing better equities. Inflation. Inflation really hasn't changed much in the last year or so.
Tommy Lahren
I, I think what you should start to contemplate, and I tweeted this out after the numbers came out, is if the so called experts are consistently proven wrong time after time, what do they actually know? And I know we've talked about this before, but there's a great write up and I wish I could remember the book that dives into expertise and experts are almost always wrong because what they find is there is a huge sort of cluster effect on experts because especially in the modern era, people are afraid of being wrong. And, and so a consensus settles in and nobody really is outside of the consensus because if you're wrong and outside of the consensus, the fear is of ostrich, you know, being ostracized and everything else. And the people who end up being the most right are actually, I think it was a really deep dive on hedgehogs. That's people who don't go super deep on necessarily everything but have a wide variety of perspectives. They tend to be better at forecasts than people who are so called experts in one field. And what we're seeing with economics is we were told if there are tariffs put in place, we're going to have a Great Depression style economic reality. And you saw everybody flood the market collapse in April, the likes of which frankly we hadn't really seen since COVID And we said on this show, as you pointed out, hey, just stay calm. If you happen to have added resources, now is a good time to buy. Stocks are up nearly 30% just since April. If you bought the dip, if you just stayed in, you're doing fine. If you just didn't pay attention to day to day. And so I think there's this obsession with believing that experts are going to be right. And then almost every time, I mean, look, they were wrong on inflation, they were wrong on tariffs, they've been wrong economically on everything.
Clay Travis
They were wrong on Covid across the board yeah, you know, with very few exceptions, I saw our friend Dr. McCary on Fox this morning just talking about all the amazing things. That's why we had him on recently to talk about the FDA and how streamlining that could mean cures for people a lot faster, could save. Could save lives and also add quality of life. Right. There's, there's cures, there's also effective treatment, which can be a game changer for people with a whole range of really debilitating diseases. And he's an expert who said the right things. And Trump, during COVID and Trump has shown him what happens when you're right, which is you should be elevated. What you see in the expert class in general, though, Clay, is they all fall prey to consensus thinking. The echo chamber effect. Uh, this was even a problem back when I was in the CIA as an analyst there. You mentioned the hedgehogs, people that are. That have depth on things versus a little bit on a lot of different things. People who had been, in my experience, the people who had been covering an issue for a very long time were the worst at predicting what the next thing was that was going to happen. The people who had a very good skill set to understand what matters right now, what's likely to happen next, were far better at predictive analysis. Because once you've been doing something for a long time, you tend to think that whatever everybody else thinks doing that same thing is is the answer.
Mike Lee
Right.
Clay Travis
That that's the way it's going to be. Certainly that is the case. The case in the economy. And why do we all care about this? Well, because it affects the price of everything that you are buying. The gas you were putting in your car, your ability to pay your mortgage, all of this, the piece of this that is missing right now. And this is what's remarkable. And I think this is why Trump's frustration has boiled over on the Fed issue. And there were some very funny memes from when he went and visited the Fed redo of the building that they were. But the fact that rates haven't even dropped yet, that would be the kind of rocket fuel you'd add to the economy if things were stalled out a little bit. This economy is already humming and they've kept the rates artificially high.
Tommy Lahren
Here's my concern now, Buck, and I haven't heard anybody say this yet. I'm wondering if the Fed's going to say the economy's growing too fast and we can't cut rates now because we can't add the accelerant in Other words, they're going to go from, hey, I just. That's my concern now that we've hit 3% growth. And look, we need to get the economy really roaring. We need to get 4% growth, 3.5% growth. That would be transformative. It would actually give us a chance. If you start to run the math of really kind of knocking out some of these major budget deficits, growth cures everything, right? If you've ever worked in a business. I remember I had a buddy and I said, how'd you do? And he ended up selling his company for over a hundred million dollars. This is about 15 years ago. I said, how'd you do? He said, man, I screwed up everything. I said, you know, that's interesting. I went back and I looked at it, and we had to make a decision so rapidly. But he said the company was growing so fast that I didn't have to be perfect. I just had to steer in the right direction. And for those of you out there that have ever been at a company that's growing rapidly, you're not all going to make the right decisions because you're having to. The analogy I've used before, it's like trying to change a tire while you're driving a car. It's going to be really sometimes messy, right? But if you get that growth rate going, if we can start really humming economically, we don't have to be perfect on everything. 4% growth in the national economy would cure a lot of the ills that are out there.
Clay Travis
Well, you also have, I think, with Trump, in many ways, the epitome of the guy who does versus the guy who conceptualizes, right? A guy who has negotiated deals. And look, Trump has negotiated deals that haven't gone his way when he was in business. Obviously, there have been successes and failures, but to your point, every great success in business, every person who has been a great success in business has had many failures along the way, because that is how you learn. That is a form of expertise that should be far more valued when you're thinking about who to put in charge of big decisions for the country, instead of, I have some advanced degree from some economics program. Wasn't it President Bartlett from the fantasy land of the West Wing? Wasn't he like a PhD from Harvard or something in economics? And that's what all the libs think would solve all of our problems. Most of the PhDs in economics from most, from all of the Ivy League schools in this country would stink at managing this economy compared to Trump. It wouldn't even be close.
Tommy Lahren
Well, and that's why I think they're. Look, I love it. I mean, I'm a history nerd, but history professors are good at telling you why something happened 100 years after it happened. We've seen some of these historians that go on. Remember Michael Beschlow said, if Trump wins, they're just going to line you up and shoot you. You know, and you're, you're like, what? What are you talking about? I don't even know if we're still.
Clay Travis
Actually said that, too. That's not even. He actually said that.
Tommy Lahren
He actually said that. And he is, I think, a good historian at looking at things that are 100 years old. Economists are very good at telling you why something happened after it's already happened. They are very bad as a group at predicting for you where we are headed. And I think it's just worth contemplating. Challenging conventional wisdom is usually how you win. I don't know how many people out there really study things, but if you do the same thing that everybody else does, it's going to be very difficult for you to get ahead. You sometimes have to take risk. Trump, you can criticize him on a lot. The guy understands negotiations. He understands leverage. He certainly understands interest rates, which are the foundation of any real estate investment deal, basically, that is done anywhere. And I hope that they're going to start to reduce rates because they are too high. And look, here is the number one issue in the economy today. Number one issue, housing is out of sorts because we went from 2 and a half percent mortgage to over 7% in record time. And if you were lucky enough to get a two and a half, you're frozen in place there. And if you were unfortunate enough to get a seven, you haven't been able to refi yet and unlock the entire housing market.
Clay Travis
That is true. But I think you also have to pile on top of that clay. 10 million people came into the country illegally in four years.
Tommy Lahren
10 million did not help the cost of living for anyone in any city.
Clay Travis
There are people running, running all kinds of scams where they have illegals that are, you know, in a home that's meant for four people, max, they got 30 illegals living. They're all paying them, you know, 250 bucks a month or something. This is all over the country. And this is another part of why the immigration enforcement that Trump is undergoing right now is one of the best things that could happen for people who work for a living. It will help their wages, it'll help the cost of Housing. What you're saying is obviously also true, which is the rate. The rate issue that should start to be ameliorated. That's the word of the day. There you go.
Tommy Lahren
That's a nice word. Yeah.
Clay Travis
Right. Thank you. Hold that one out. That could be certainly done in the months ahead, and I hope it will be. I have a plan for this weekend. We'll tell you all about. I get excited about this. You know, this maybe tells you about what a wild and crazy guy I am. But, you know, I got a wife, I got a baby, I got a puppy. I got a lot of things going on. I am going to be defrosting some bone in ribeyes from Good Ranchers. Now, the ribeye is a particularly decadent cut of meat. It's fantastic. And this for me on steak night, courtesy of Good Ranchers, is something I get really excited about. I've got my cast iron seared, ready to go. I mean, it is so hot when I do that sear. Oh, man. Good Ranchers. This is absolutely the best meat you're going to get delivered anywhere. But they've also got salmon, chicken, steak burgers. It is fantastic. We love steak over here. So does Clay. In fact, Clay, we're going to have to bring back a steak bet at some point because I need a chance at the title here.
Tommy Lahren
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Clay Travis
We'Ve got a story that we absolutely need to discuss here with all of you. And it's because this is getting a lot of attention and even I think some people out there who are generally or overall supportive of Israel and its fight against Hamas have started to waver a little bit for a reason that would be understandable, at least with the specific goal of trying to pressure the IDF to get more food to the children of Gaza. That's the basic narrative, that's the storyline that's out there. Trump has been talking about it, others have been talking about it. In fact, here we can get President Trump on Gaza. This is cut 10. This is the latest thing that he he had to say about it. Play it.
Donald Trump
I think everybody, unless they're pretty cold hearted or worse than that, nuts. There's Nothing you can say other than it's terrible when you see the kids and those are kids, you know, whether they talk starvation or not, those are kids that are starving. That's, I mean, they are starving. And you, the mothers, they love them so much. There's just nothing they seem to be able to do. They got to get them food and we're going to get them food.
Clay Travis
Clay, as we have been discussing here on the program, a couple of things. First off, it strikes a lot of us as contrary to what we would think the Israeli government and the IDF would do based on all of their actions up to this point, that they would willfully let children starve if there was a way to prevent that. I don't believe it. And I'm not saying that there aren't civilian casualties that have happened. I'm not saying there is not malnutrition going on inside of Gaza. I'm just saying I don't believe that it's a policy of the IDF to, or the Israeli government, the Israeli people, to starve out. And you hear this term genocide being used now by people who are very critical of Israel and even some who aren't always that critical of Israel. I've been looking at this and thinking to myself, hold on a second, what is really going on here? This is very important. What is actually happening in Gaza. First of all, as we know, the narrative is now starting to come out more that it is in fact Hamas that is preventing the distribution of food and seizing food that is being provided to Gaza for the civilian population there. That's point one. But point two, Clay, this, this New York Times story that on the, on it was a main story for the New York Times, they had a front page newspaper.
Tommy Lahren
For those of us old people like me who still read the newspaper, literally the front page story, the one that they considered the most important to tell to their readers on that day.
Clay Travis
It was just a few days ago and there was a story where they had a photo of a. I mean, it was a horrible looking photo in terms of just emotionally devastating. You see a child who is very skeletal, if you will, I mean, looks extremely malnourished in the hands of a woman. And the whole point of the story, based on this photo, and they chose this photo, the whole point of the story is that the children of Gaza are starving to death. Look at this. Because it looked like somebody who would be starving to death. Something horrible beyond words, something that no moral person could countenance, could sit by and allow to happen. And so it obviously Got a lot of attention all over the world. The problem with the story is that the photo is not an accurate representation of what is going on. Here is the New York Times appending an editor's note, an editor's note to a story about Mohammad Zakaria Al Mut Mutawak, a child in Gaza who's diagnosed with severe malnutrition after publication. This is from the New York Times PR department. After publication, the Times learned that he had pre existing health conditions. Please read more below. They give more of this. Clay, this individual has this child. It's still very sad story. Has cystic fibrosis. And that's actually. And also other pre existing health conditions. It's not a starvation story. They're showing a child who's starving, who's not actually starving, but has other preexisting health conditions which they have now offered. They ran. They ran a photo that is effectively a fake in terms of the story, which is what they were telling on the front page of the New York Times to tell everybody that the Israelis are starving. The children of Gaza.
Tommy Lahren
Yeah. And our friend Carol Markowitz, who's in our podcast network, been on the show a lot. She tweeted this as well. The brother of this individual was all who is healthy and has evidently no issues was also cropped out of the picture. And she says, and I think she's right, this should be published on the front page of the paper. The correction, not some side X account. And she said, if you fell for the hoax, it's on. This is very important. Yeah.
Clay Travis
They didn't share the correction on the official New York Times account with millions and millions of followers. They shared it from the PR department's tiny account that nobody is going to see or pay any attention to. And Clay, you already pointed this out too.
Mike Lee
There's.
Clay Travis
They had in the same photo, they cropped out a child who looks well.
Tommy Lahren
Fed and healthy, which should have raised issues in the mind of any editor that saw this. Right. Wait a minute. One kid is healthy and the other one is starving. How often do you think that actually happens in the same family? Never. I mean, I've got multiple kids. I can't imagine a scenario where one of my kids looks healthy and the other one is starving. And I'm saying, well, it's because the whole family is unable to eat. I mean, I think you probably would be trying to feed your family equally there. So it should have raised a lot of issues. And I would say this.
Clay Travis
Yeah, go ahead, go ahead.
Tommy Lahren
No, remember when they got The Jason Blair story, I mean that's probably been 20 some odd years.
Clay Travis
Well, he was just a, he was a serial fabricator, but he was a young black reporter and they were desperate to tell stories of how diverse new newsroom was. And you know.
Tommy Lahren
Yeah, but, but they put a huge front page story out saying this was all fabricated. We got this wrong. To Carol's point, I would argue this is far more significant because the things that he was making up by and large were just kind of like stories about life in West Virginia or whatever it was. And look, you don't want to make that stuff up, but this actually alters the terrain of geopolitical negotiation and is intended to send the message of Israel is intentionally starving young children. And they use this image for that reason.
Clay Travis
It is wildly inflammatory. Yes, against Israel and against Jews worldwide. And that was the purpose of the story, to make them Israel, the Jews, to make them look like the bad guys after they suffered their own 911 on October 7th, after they had the most horrific terrorist attack since 911 perpetrated against them. And with a level of sadism on the on from Hamas that is shocking to the conscience, honestly, even for those of us who were did things in the gwad and saw how evil Al Qaeda was and, and what they would do. Shocking to the conscience. But this reminds me, Clay, of really, this is, this is on brand in a sense for the New York Times. The New York Times is the paper that, that published Walter Durante who on behalf of communism lied about mass starvation in the Soviet Union. Right. This is one of the most infamous episodes of 20th century journalism. Should have told you all you need to know about the lib mindset and journos. But Walter Duranty lied to cover up mass starvation in the Soviet Union back in the 19 early 1930s and he actually got a Pulitzer Prize for it. Clay, doesn't this all ring a bell? Just like the fake Russia collusion stories. Those people got Pulitzers. They still have them. The purpose is not the truth. The purpose is manipulation of the masses, of the minds of the readers. And the purpose here was very clearly now is the chance after we saw how horrific Hamas was and they took 200 plus hostages and they raped women and they murdered babies and they did all these horrible things intentionally and on behalf of the people planning October 7th. I mean this was their plan. This wasn't some secondary thing that just happened. After all that, now is the chance to try to seize the moral high ground for the pro Palestinian, pro Hamas lunatics. And we're Supposed to think it's just an error, Clay, that the New York Times runs a story that is essentially a fake story. When you use a photo and say it is a thing or represents a thing and it does not, which is starvation of a child. It is not starvation that caused that child to look that way, as anybody who knows anything about the diseases that he had preexisting knows. And then they cut out the photo of the healthy looking little boy in the same photo. It's propaganda.
Tommy Lahren
It's direct all over again on the front page. I would also point this out and I think it's very significant. All of their errors have been in favor of Gaza. Do you Remember soon after October 7th when Israel started to respond after the October 7th attack? And all of these major news outlets, I believe it was, they said that Israel had struck a hospital and killed tons of people. Do you remember that story? It was on the front page everywhere. And it later came out that it was a misfired rocket from Gaza that actually from, that is from Hamas that actually hit the hospital in Gaza. And so they allowed the story to be, oh, Israel's intentionally targeting hospitals and killing innocent people. Put it on the front page of the newspaper. If your errors. Look, reporting is hard, right? Let's be honest, trying to tell the truth is a hard job when there are lots of people trying to manipulate you all the time. So I will say that. But if your errors always run the same direction, it is a flaw of your reporting that should be addressed because it is a sign.
Clay Travis
Well, I don't think it's a flaw. I think that gives them too much credit, Clay. I think that the mission, the mission is the propaganda. Actually. I don't think that this is a mistake. I think that they know that this is what they are supposed to do. They are playing for their team with this. And what does it say if the, if the starvation. And the New York Times is still saying, oh, there's mass starvation in Gaza, what are the chances that there are children? And this is, it's a horrific thing to even think about, but that there are children who are starving to death in massive numbers in Gaza. There are skeletal looking children who are clinging to life all over Gaza. This is what we are being told by the New York Times. But they happen to pick a photo of somebody that is not starving. A young child who is not starving. Very sad story. He has cystic fibrosis, but he's not starving. And that's the photo they put on the front page of the newspaper. You're supposed to think that this is an error made in good faith? Absolutely not. Absolutely not. And the fact that they won't really correct it in a way that will change the perception of the people who read the original story all over clay. It was picked up all over the world too.
Tommy Lahren
Oh yeah.
Clay Travis
It's not just New York Times readers. It's all over the Internet. It's everywhere. What do you think it looks like, you know, in the Middle east newspapers and websites to the degree that those things really exist. Well, what do you think it looks like there now after that photo? What do their readers think? It is reckless beyond words. The New York Times is a disgrace. It is not an honest entity. It is not a good faith journalistic operation. They are pure left wing anti civilization propagandists and everyone needs to read their articles with that in mind. That's how I feel about it at least.
Tommy Lahren
So I think it's true. But I think at a bare minimum the pressure, I think Carol Markowitz is right. You can't have an error that egregious and just post from your New York Times PR account which A you know probably what 1 in 10,000 people will actually see the correction. You should have to put on the front page the full picture that you edited and acknowledge that you told something that was fundamentally untrue, that impacted in a significant way the discussion around how Israel in Gaza. Israel is handling the situation in Gaza.
Clay Travis
You're completely right. I would just add to this. The people who picked that photo did not do so in error. They picked that photo because their fundamental role here is to try to create at least moral equivalency between Israel and Hamas. If not the Palestinians are the good guys, Israel are the bad guys. That's their actual job in their minds.
Tommy Lahren
Also I will point out, remember all those people out there that were supposed to be fact finding experts on misinformation and disinformation. This seems like a pretty egregious example of that that should be widely covered by other media outlets. Care about the truth. Are you seeing any of those articles, any of those media discussions? I'm not seeing it anywhere.
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Tommy Lahren
Let's get some of your calls, 800-282-2882. Scott in Indiana, what you got for us?
Mike Lee
Keep up the good work. I can't tell whether Trump thinks Israel is starving the people on purpose or not. If he is, it would be ironic considering a couple weeks ago he chastised everybody for falling for the Epstein hoax. So you think he's. Do you think this is.
Clay Travis
No, Scott, this is really, this is really important. This is really important. There is widespread reporting that I think is reliable that there is that food is not getting to people. Insufficient, you know, insufficient quantity in Gaza, including children who are probably who rather are malnourished, not yet starving, death, but malnourished as a result of it. But Hamas is preventing the food from getting to them, is the point. And so then to make this an even more emotional issue, they pick this photo and they say, oh, see, this is what Israel is deciding to do to people. So there's the who's responsible for it, and then there's the degree of how much is food not getting. So Hamas is preventing food from getting through in the numbers that it should be getting or in the quantity it should be getting through. And then the New York Times is picking this story to make it seem like this is an Israeli plot or Israeli decision.
Tommy Lahren
Also If Israel wanted to kill everyone in Gaza, they could have done it two years ago ago. They could have carpet bombed everyone and legitimately killed everybody who lives in Gaza. They have the wherewithal and the power and the ability to do that. Look at the attempted tactical strikes. Look at what happened in Iran. They pretty much only killed. They hit apartment building units that, that Iranian nuclear scientists were in and didn't touch any, anybody else.
Clay Travis
And why. Let's just put this in the cold, hard reality, real polity for a second. At this stage of the game, Israel is going to intentionally starve children to death to turn the whole world against it? Of course not. That's insane. I'm not saying children aren't starving. I'm saying look at who's responsible for preventing the food from getting to them. And look at how the New York Times is then trying to lie about that culpability. We're joined by Senator Mike Lee of the great state of Utah. Senator Lee, thanks for joining us on the fly, sir. Appreciate you.
Mike Lee
Thank you very much.
Clay Travis
Can we just dive into this? Well, Clay, do we want to do judges and U.S. attorneys first? You want to do want to do the redistricting first? Because I got to ask you, what is going on here with the log jam on the judges and US Attorneys and what should we do about it?
Mike Lee
Look, we've got a confirmation backlog in the Senate. President Trump has sent hundreds of nominees over. We currently have a Senate confirmation backlog of about 150 people. Now, just day before yesterday, that number stood at 144. We're now approaching 150. We're adding to that basically every day the Senate's in session. And if we leave for August recess without meaningfully confronting this, then we're never going to catch up. And the result of that is awful because here's what happens. Remember the deep state bureaucrats, the career civil servant bureaucrats, are overwhelmingly leftist. They're overwhelmingly Democratic. So this is different than if the Democrats were in power and Republicans were delaying them. When that happens and a Democrat nominee doesn't get through, well, they still have a Democrat, a liberal Democrat in most cases, running the show in whatever executive branch agency they're putting them in, because that's what the deep state bureaucrats are. But when it's Republicans, we're surrendering to the other party. We can't let that happen. Here's the thing. We've been blaming the Dems inappropriately, so they've been delaying. But we have to remember this is what minority parties have been doing in the Senate more or less since Harry Reid nuked the executive filibuster back in November of 2013. This is what they do now. Democrats do it to a more severe degree. We cooperated more with them than they are with us. But regardless, saying that they're doing it worse doesn't fix the problem. There is only one thing that fixes this problem in the modern summit, in the modern Senate, which is the principle of exhaustion. We have to exhaust them into compliance. We have to keep them here until such time as we've cleared the backlog, and we have to make them vote, including at inconvenient times and hours and weeks when they'd much rather be somewhere else. That is the only way to fix it. We keep them here, keep them voting, we end the backlog. If we don't, we surrender to the deep state and therefore the Democrats.
Tommy Lahren
By the way, let me mention this. The Fed, as we told you was likely going to be the case, has declined to lower interest rates, although there are dissenters from inside of the Fed saying, hey, we should be cutting rates. So just FYI, they have left interest rates unchanged. But that is the. That is the literally breaking news as we start the third hour of the program here. Okay, Senator, thanks for coming on. What is in your mind the solution? Because I was asking about how recess appointments might be applied. President Trump has not used the recess appointment opportunity. What are the disadvantages associated with doing that in a way that people like me can understand without going into all of the. Just sort of the labyrinth of all of the different Senate parliamentarian aspects?
Mike Lee
Yeah. All right. So the biggest single disadvantage is that a recess appointment can't stay indefinitely. Under the Constitution, the recess appointee can remain in there. In essence, under current interpretations of that clause, they can stay if they're recess appointed now, they could stay in there till the end of next year, till the end of 2026. It's the biggest disadvantage. But the other reason why President Trump hasn't used that is that more or less for the last decade plus, since at least around 2013, it started a bit before then, the Senate typically has been holding what are called pro forma sessions even while purporting to go into recess, meaning reconvening every three days, one member comes in, gattles in, gattles out, in order to avoid the technicality of going into recess for constitutional purposes. In other words, these pro forma sessions basically serve one purpose, which is to prevent the President of the United States from making recess appointments so that's the biggest disadvantage there is that we haven't made it possible. And that's why I've been saying the best thing for us to do. The only way I believe we're going to end the law jam and the impasse is for us to make the Democrats and Republicans stay here and cast votes, even when, especially when it's difficult or inconvenient or members would rather be somewhere else. It's the only surefire way to end this. Now, short of that, if the Senate unwisely decides to recess anyway, then for the love of Pete, we should actually recess and stop holding these pro forma sessions that have as their principal function preventing the President of the United States from exercising the recessed appointment power under the Constitution.
Clay Travis
It feels like there's a lot of games going on here, Senator Lee, within these rules, and yet the blue slip rule is sacred. Can you give me a little more on this one? Because Trump obviously thinks that enough is enough with the blue slip nonsense.
Mike Lee
Yeah, I think that's right. Now, to bring your audience up to speed, the blue slip in the Senate basically does the following. The way it works is that for a federal district judge, federal trial court level judge, for a U.S. attorney or U.S. marshal in somebody's state. The Senate Judiciary Committee has long refused to process a presidential nominee unless or until such time as the two home state senators have signed a document that is historically written out on blue paper. That's why we call it the blue slip, saying, I'm okay with these nominees. Now, the blue slip has been around for many decades. It is not mandated by statute. It's not imposed by rule. It is a custom. It is, moreover, not something that's been carved into stone tablets. It is not an inexorable command. And it has been modified in practice over many years, meaning when one side of the aisle abuses it consistently, it often morphs in order to accommodate them. Now, we've always had the understanding that if you push it too far, like any other privilege, it'll be taken away. I had the understanding in the last administration, for example, when dealing with the Obama administration, I knew that I had to make recommendations to them on district judges, U.S. attorneys, U.S. marshals, and so forth. I had to make my blue slip recommendations to them realistically and that I wasn't necessarily going to get away with recommending people who were lifelong well known, staunch, openly conservative textualist originalists, for example. We just understood that the nominees might be a little bit different than what we would pick. What we would prefer the president pick during a Republican administration. If the Democrats can't accept that and they consistently refuse to accommodate what are Trump's reasonable minimum expectations in their states, then I suspect that they can, should and probably will lose their blue slip privileges in many instances.
Tommy Lahren
We're talking to Senator Mike Lee of Utah. New revelations, potentially, according to Fox News, about documents involving Russia collusion that have been found by Cash Patel inside of FBI offices that were supposed to have been destroyed, that were not you, I think, were one of the top contenders to be attorney general. So you are very, very well versed in Department of Justice. You have served, I believe, as a judge in your past life experience. You're a guy who's been involved in a lot of these things. What should happen as it pertains to Russia collusion based on the evidence you have seen? Not only what should, what do you think will, what should our audience expect to see and what should they see in your mind?
Mike Lee
But most importantly, the facts, the information will need to continue to come out. Remember, for the last eight, nine years, we have been told a consistent lie. We've been told that by the Democratic apparatus. We've been told that by the mainstream media, also known as the communications arm of the Democratic Party, we've been told lies about Russian collusion. Now, as Jonathan Turley noted on Fox News the other day, there was in fact a, a collusive scandal at the close of 2016 related to Russia. But it just wasn't at all what we were told. There was a scandal there, there was collusion there. But remember, what happened here was that President Obama, according to these recent revelations, went in after the November 2016 election, after President Trump had been elected president of the United States and directed the United States government officials in the room with him to go out and show, find evidence, develop evidence, manufacture evidence, manipulate evidence, however you want to put it, to demonstrate not if not whether, but how Russia impacted the outcome of the election and did so in Donald Trump's favor. That simply wasn't true. And in fact, they were messing with evidence. This is a horrific scandal. And based on what we've learned about this already, this is arguably the most significant political scandal in U.S. history. And I'm not even sure what the outcome will be, because we don't have anything else to compare it to. But the most important part of it, there are all kinds of considerations, from statutes and limitations to whatever it takes to get more information out of this that will have to be taken into account to know exactly who may be charged. But the most important thing is that the American people learn about it and then we get to the bottom of who knew what and when and hold them accountable for that.
Tommy Lahren
Senator Lee, we know you have to get out on the floor and get to work. We appreciate you fitting us in to answer these questions we were talking about today. Keep up the good work and shoot me a text when you want to come on again. Need to talk to the audience.
Mike Lee
Will do.
Tommy Lahren
Thanks so much Senator Mike Lee. Great Twitter account based. Mike Lee I believe is the one that is the best to follow out of Utah and you can go find him there. We appreciate him squeezing us in. Look, if you don't want to have Joe Biden level energy, if you'd like to have Donald Trump level energy, our sponsor Chalk can make that popular the male vitality stack that will replenish diminished testosterone levels in a few months time. 20% distant difference. Buck has seen it in his own life. You've also seen it in your mother in law's life. You've got a three month old baby probably having energy, maybe more important now than ever before.
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Clay Travis
Edu Got Tommy Laren with us now of Fox News and Outkick and Tommy, let's just get right to Are you surprised or is this right in line with expectations to see the absolute freakout across the media when it comes to a new ad with Sydney Sweeney for a for jeans or for a clothing company, American Eagle?
Unknown
I'm not surprised at all at the outrage in the backlash. This is what the left does when they know they've lost. All right, they've lost the culture war. Woke is dead and they are lashing out and the charge is being led by objectively mediocre to less attractive liberal white women. And that usually seems to be the case for all the things that they complain about. It's led by liberal white women, but especially when you have a hot girl in an ad that really brings out the fangs, that brings out the claws. I'm not surprised at all.
Tommy Lahren
Okay? I am stunned, honestly, like I get because we hear so much about Democrats recognizing that they have lost men. I would say that overwhelmingly the one thing that unites men is an appreciation for pretty girls, heterosexual men anyway, which I understand there may not be very many in the Democrat Party already. But if you're trying to just be normal and just be sane, complaining that an attractive person is used to sell clothes and trying to say it's like being a Nazi is next level crazy, even for them. So you expected that when you saw this Sydney Sweeney ad, you were like, oh, left wingers are going to lose their mind. Tommy. The Atlantic has an article saying liking boobs is now conservative. This is a legitimate article that is up in that magazine.
Unknown
We may never lose an election again at this rate. Which is fine if they want to freak out over it. But no, I'm not surprised at all, because the left, the Democrat Party, has been completely captured by the activists and the woke class. They won't give any of these things up. They still go hard for Kilmara Borrego Garcia. They go hard for men and women's sports. There is not a dumb hill that they will not continue to die on. They love this kind of stuff. I don't know who they're listening to. They're not listening to you guys. They're not listening to young men or even attractive young women. They are completely captured by the green hairs with gauges and septum piercings. That's who they think makes up the majority of this country. And they want to make them happy at all costs.
Clay Travis
Tommy, you know, whenever I do a live event, if a woman under 35 approaches to take a photo or to say hi or something, generally she says, do you know Tomi Lahren? And gets very excited when I say yes. So you certainly have. You certainly have your finger on the pulse of the conservative youth in this country. And I'm wondering, the vibe shift, as they would say in the culture, where are the biggest places you are seeing it? Like, what are the things that you're seeing now that give you hope that the opposite of what we see with the Sydney Sweeney phenomenon is really taking root? That essentially that insanity is fading and culture is coming back in a way that we can all be proud of?
Unknown
Well, normalcy is coming back. People have realized, especially young people, they've realized that, no, they do want to be attractive and they do want to be healthy and they want to be normal and they want to interact with people. Things go in cycles, of course, and it's not just fashion and style. But I will say the fashion and the style right now is kind of going back to the early 2000s. That's what's popular With Gen Z, they're resurrecting all the old clothes that I wore when I was in the fifth grade and they think that's new. And that's fine with me because so has the normalcy. It's like, yes, no, we want to look good. No, we want to be normal. We want to talk to people. We don't want to have the color of hair of a green poison frog. We just want to be normal. So I think that you're still going to have the minority that's very loud out there. And then of course on TikTok and voting for socialists. But those people live in deep blue cities like New York City or Los Angeles. They don't live in Tennessee, they don't live in Miami. There are normal people in those normal places and I think they're taking over.
Tommy Lahren
Okay. A secondary part of this is the idea. And I know you saw the Good Morning America report. So this is not some crazy left wing report in theory, right? You're sitting most people eating their cereal, watching Good Morning America today show. Good Morning America has on a report that this is code for Nazism because you have a blonde hair, blue eyed woman that is in this ad. How do we. And I do think this is significant because I think you kind of have hammered this. How do we get back to treating all races equally and not being able to just say basically white people are evil, which is the code of calling anything white related Nazi in relation. Right. What's going on here?
Unknown
Well, first of all, you need to stop apologizing for being white. And so the more that people say, hey, listen, I'm not going to apologize to you because of the color of my skin. I don't expect you to do that. I'm not going to do that. Then we go back to some level of normalcy here. But that Good morning America clip they had on an expert, of course, a professor. And I know you saw it, Clay, because you tweeted it out. But the professor that they had on, ironically was a white woman who had blonde hair, but there was an X factor. She was also objectively not attractive. So there you have it. That is what who, that is who is driving this primarily. And then all the other people who maybe are not white liberal women that are upset, they were told to be upset by ugly white liberal women. And that who is, who is leading this? And it comes from a place of jealousy, it comes from a place of deep insecurity that they have to project. And then they have to call it like academics or the study of history. But really it's self loathing. That's what it is.
Clay Travis
Tommy, everybody can find you on Fox News. You're on all the time. But digital side, where can they go to see your show?
Unknown
Outkick.com live Monday through Friday, 1pm Eastern. And in a few minutes here I'm going to pop on the story on Fox News. We're going to talk about Mamdani. So never a dull moment. Thank you guys for having me.
Clay Travis
Tommy. Yeah, of course. Thanks Tommy. The commie momdani trying to ruin my hometown. Thanks, Tommy. You know Clay, it is, it is remarkable that at this stage of the game the corrective mechanisms that I thought were rusty, maybe malfunctioning but still somewhat present within the Democrat machinery. They don't seem it's not working. They're going crazier in areas where it's costing them politically. That's the usually what they do is they're insane, but they hide it and they pretend and they prevaricate and they do this halfway thing, right? That was Joe Biden's whole game. Oh, I'm good old Joe the choo choo riding, you know, I'm, you can trust me. And then he would just let far left wing governance, you know, the auto pan everything else. Democrats are doing crazy stuff right now like a nor a normal, well adjusted person sees what how they're responding to the Sydney Sweeney ad and thinks Democrats are neither normal nor well adjusted.
Tommy Lahren
Well, and I think this is the challenge and Tommy kind of hit on this in general. But if you are trying to appeal to men and this is, I understand some of you are super in the weeds on policy related issues and we have some of those conversations we just had Senator Mike Lee on to talk about why there's a logjam in the senate with the 135 different nominees going forward. Most people have no idea that's going on.
Clay Travis
Right?
Tommy Lahren
Most people don't understand how Senate confirmation works. They don't understand how a judge gets appointed. They're just normal. And that's why I think that Good Morning America segment is important because you're, you know, mom and dad trying to get the kid ready for camp or kid ready for school or whatever it is, plop them down in front of it. You're eating cereal, you're rushing through the morning and suddenly you see a pretty girl in an ad for a jeans company and you have an expert on saying it. It is coding Nazism. I mean we've got a story up at Outkick right Now, one of ESPN's employees said, and I want to make sure I get this quote right because I couldn't quite believe that this was even real. This is somebody who talks about sports for a living. Buck, an ESPN writer said the new Sydney Sweeney American Eagle ad left him mortified. You work in sports and you go on social media and say because a girl is attractive. Girl in jeans left you mortified. The Atlantic says that Americans liking boobs is now trending conservative.
Clay Travis
People are going to think I'm kidding. I'm not kidding. Ok? I think if you did a macro level study of male politics in America, you would find it's not, this is, you know, a generalization. This is about the average. I think you would find that men of deficient and medically low testosterone overwhelmingly are far left wing in their politics. I think it is absolutely, I think it is real. I think somebody should do this study. I'm not kidding. I think if you're, you know, it depends on what your age level is, right? But if you're a guy in your, in your like 30s, 40s and there you can get into like nanogram per deciliter and all this stuff, you know, if your number is like below 300, you're voting Democrat. You're absolutely voting Democrat.
Tommy Lahren
And look, I mean age can factor in because obviously if you're listening to us and you're 80, naturally you're, that's very different.
Clay Travis
But I'm saying if you're a guy 30 to 50, you have a medically deficient or close to a testosterone level and left wing politics, there's a very clear correlation I think you'd find.
Tommy Lahren
Well, and this is where for what I do, I feel like I can sit down and talk to any guy in America and they may not agree with me on tax policy, they may not agree with me on judicial nominees. But we can connect on sports, we can connect on having an appreciation for attractive women sometimes enjoying enjoying an adult beverage. Democrats have lost the ability to talk to these people. And I don't know if you saw this. Eric Swalwell, you know, he put up the video. They're trying to do gym ads and show themselves doing things. He challenged Greg Gutfeld to a bench press contest and said if Gutfeld beats him that he will withdraw from Congress. I just took the bet. I said I will no longer do Fox News. If, if Eric Swalwell can out bench press me, I will stop doing Fox News hits an alternative. If I out bench press him, he has to drop out of Congress. Do you think he will take my bet? I bet not. But I think this is a cultural issue. And again, the politics being downstream from cultures, 100% right. Guys now use being a Democrat as an insult. They basically say, oh, you're. You're a Democrat. You voted for Kamala. Younger men, that is one of the top insults you could be. When we were at that game between Georgia and Alabama last year at the Alabama frat houses, they had banners hanging outside saying, georgia fans vote for Kamala. Like, this is how much of an insult for young men even being a Democrat is.
Clay Travis
This reminds me of. Of when I was. When I was single in New York City and would come across women who worked in the performing arts. Dancers. Not that kind of dancer, Clay. But you know, they would do things like Broadway and they're. Broadway is maybe the most left wing thing in existence. I mean, Broadway is. They're more left wing than the Marxist professors at, like, Berkeley. I mean, it's just crazy town. But they would. Sometimes these women that I would come across, maybe on dates would complain about men in the city, and it's because they were searching for men who basically act like women. And then they wonder why they're so unhappy. The. The, you know, the so called male feminist, you know, who announces this on the first date, that's actually not. This goes against our biology. As. As a human species. It doesn't make any sense.
Tommy Lahren
And also women. Women just know this is true. If a man claims to be a feminist, run from him in the opposite direction as fast as you can. First of all, they almost never believe it. Secondly, they think the only way they can get you is by claiming to be male feminists. I'm telling you, run in the opposite direction from these people. You cannot trust them. I think a lot of women out there know exactly what I'm talking about. That is pro. I. If that is one of your leads, when you go to a date, guy sits down like, oh, I'm a male feminist. Just be like, check please, and leave it with him and get up and leave. He probably doesn't have the money to pay for it, by the way. It's hard for us to imagine living in places where bomb shelters are as common as gas stations or coffee shops. That's what it's like in Israel. I was over there in December. I saw the importance of these shelters and of how much difference just having a bomb shelter can make. And that is what the international Fellowship of Christians and Jews does. They build bomb shelters. They build protective devices on cars for first responders. They help to take care of people that otherwise can't take care of themselves in a time of perpetual war. As we talked about earlier, New York Times spreading lies with a picture of a kid that wasn't actually being malnourished and trying to blame Israel for the situation in Gaza. You need and can help to make a difference in the Holy Land by reaching out and making a gift. You can call 888-488-IFCJ. That's 888488 IFCJ. You can also go online at ifcj.org that's ifcj.org keep up with the biggest.
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Summary of "Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Jul 30 2025"
Introduction Clay Travis and Buck Sexton kick off the Wednesday edition of "The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show," addressing a plethora of pressing topics ranging from economic developments to geopolitical tensions.
1. Economic Overview and Q2 Growth Timestamp: [03:47]
Clay begins the discussion by highlighting positive economic news that defies pessimistic forecasts, particularly those predicting doom due to tariffs under the Trump administration. They reference CNBC's Rick Santelli, who reported a surprising 3% growth in Q2—a rate higher than the expected 2.5%, marking the highest since Q3 2024.
Clay emphasizes that the economy is performing robustly, suggesting that Trump's trade negotiations and policies have been beneficial.
2. The Reliability of Experts Timestamp: [05:24]
Tommy Lahren challenges the credibility of economic experts, arguing that many have consistently been wrong in their forecasts. Drawing from a book on expertise, she distinguishes between "hedgehogs" (broad thinkers) and "foxes" (specialists), suggesting that hedgehogs often make more accurate predictions.
Clay agrees, citing examples such as Dr. McCary's positive remarks on FDA streamlining during COVID, praising Trump for elevating genuine experts over the consensus-driven, often flawed, expert opinions.
3. Addressing Gaza and Media Propaganda Timestamp: [19:05]
A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to the ongoing conflict in Gaza. Clay and Tommy critique the New York Times for misleading reporting, specifically pointing out a front-page story featuring a malnourished child. They argue that the photo used was misleading, as it included a child with pre-existing health conditions, thus distorting the narrative to portray Israeli actions negatively.
Donald Trump ([19:58]): "There’s Nothing you can say other than it's terrible when you see the kids... they got to get them food and we're going to get them food."
Tommy Lahren ([25:19]): "If you fell for the hoax, it's on. This is very important."
They draw parallels to historical instances of media misinformation, such as Walter Duranty's coverage of the Soviet Union, to illustrate a pattern of propaganda.
4. Senate Confirmation Backlog and Judicial Appointments Timestamp: [37:03]
Senator Mike Lee joins the discussion to address the Senate's backlog in confirming judicial nominees and U.S. attorneys, currently nearing 150 pending confirmations. He criticizes the Senate's use of pro forma sessions to block President Trump's nominees, emphasizing the need for persistent advocacy to overcome this obstruction.
He also touches on the blue slip tradition, advocating for its reform to ensure smoother confirmation processes.
5. Russia Collusion Revelations Timestamp: [44:21]
Senator Lee discusses recent revelations concerning documents related to Russia collusion found by Cash Patel within FBI offices. He asserts that the investigation into collusion was manipulated post-2016 election to fabricate evidence against Trump, labeling it as a significant political scandal.
He calls for transparency and accountability to uncover the truth behind these allegations.
6. Cultural Backlash to Media Representations Timestamp: [51:09]
Tommy and Clay delve into the media's overreaction to an American Eagle advertisement featuring Sydney Sweeney. They argue that the backlash is symptomatic of the broader cultural wars, where the left becomes excessively offended by representations of attractiveness and normalcy.
They discuss how such reactions alienate men and contribute to the polarization in political discourse.
7. Addressing Gender and Political Identity Timestamp: [62:49]
The conversation shifts to the intersection of gender identity, feminism, and political affiliations. Tommy emphasizes skepticism towards self-proclaimed male feminists, urging men to avoid dating individuals who identify as such, associating it with insecurity and self-loathing.
They also critique media narratives that conflate attractiveness with political ideology, arguing for a return to treating all races and genders equally without politicization.
Conclusion Clay and Buck wrap up the episode by reinforcing their stance against media misinformation, advocating for economic prudence, and encouraging listeners to stay informed and engaged in political processes. They emphasize the importance of authentic leadership and the need to challenge conventional wisdom to foster a thriving economy and a just society.
Notable Quotes:
Final Notes Throughout the episode, Clay and Buck intersperse discussions with sponsorship messages promoting various products and services, maintaining their characteristic blend of content and advertising.