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J.R. Martinez
The medal of Honor is the highest military decoration in the United States. Recipients have done the improbable, the unexpected, showing immense bravery and sacrifice in the name of something much bigger than themselves.
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This medal is for the men who went down that day.
J.R. Martinez
On Medal of Honor Stories of Courage, you'll hear about these heroes and what their stories tell us about the nature of bravery. Listen to Medal of Honor on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
Clay Travis
Welcome, everybody. Tuesday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show kicks off right now. Thanks for being with us from all across this great land. Right as we're speaking to you, of course, we are live. President Trump is holding a Cabinet meeting. We were watching it right until the moment we had to come on the air. We are monitoring for the most important moments, so we'll bring you those. He's continuing to talk about a range of subjects. Obviously the president addressing the terrible floods in the hill country of Texas. Also discussing matters having to do with the economy and the border, specifically on the economy that we've already seen $100 billion come in of revenue to the treasury as a result of the Trump tariffs, the tariffs that we were told would raise the price on everything, which does not seem to have happened at all. And Scott Besant, his Treasury secretary, went on to say it is expected soon that there will be more like $300 billion that will come in to the treasury as a result of the Trump tariffs. $300 billion, a lot of money even for this federal government. That's, you know, 100 billion here, 100 billion there. This is real money. So I think it's interesting to see how the evolution of the conversation around tariffs is moving so rapidly to not only are tariffs failing to do the price gouging, price increases that we were told, but actually bringing money into the Treasury Department. So I think that's particularly interesting. We've also got some fantastic guests today. Just to give you a heads up about that. The energy secretary, Chris Wright, will be with us. Let's talk about what m E G a make energy great again. How about that? We're gonna talk about energy and how this administration is all systems go on tapping into the incredible resources that this nation has more so than ever, and getting rid of the red tape and getting rid of the nonsense and getting rid of the green, green new scam nonsense. So we'll discuss that with him. We've also got Selena Zito, author and journalist. She'll be with us she's got a new book out talking about the attempted assassination of Donald Trump. We'll discuss with her what her research found. But, Clay, I wanted to start with this. Some very interesting things going on in the immigration realm. First of all, you've got Mayor Karen Bass, the mayor of Los Angeles, very upset and telling members of Immigration and Customs Enforcement that they need to stop what they're doing. And by that, she means stop enforcing the law. They had an operation where they were going through a park in Los Angeles and they were picking up illegals. The details of this I'm still reading up on, specifically how many people they took into custody. But they had this operation where they were going to get illegals. And the mayor of Los Angeles shows up and says that this needs to stop. This is her. This is at MacArthur park as federal agents are raiding the area. This is cut for. Listen to this. Any comment, Mayor Bass?
Chris Wright
Thank you.
Podcast Announcer
My comment is they need to leave, and they need to leave right now.
Clay Travis
No, actually, Clay, they don't need to leave. They're enforcing the law. Their federal agency has no authority to stop them, to order them to do anything to them. And if she tries, she's breaking federal law, which Los Angeles is still a part of the United States and therefore falls under federal jurisdiction. And there's just none of this nonsense that we should be accepting. I want to get into also some of the way the rhetoric that's out there is creating dangers. I saw those two ambush attempts one time, ice, remember? Shot in the neck. We'll talk about that in a second, Clay. They really think that the law doesn't count somehow in these sanctuary cities, that there's some argument to be made that federal law has no real bearing on what's going on just because they say so. This is a very important moment in the rule of law for this country.
Buck Sexton
Yeah. And again, it goes to the very basics of the Supremacy Clause, which is why I don't really even understand what the attempt is here. The United States President controls immigration law. And so we had this discussion because Gavin Newsom, remember when he was making a big show of, hey, the president doesn't have the ability to call out the guard here in the state of California. And there was one federal district court judge that agreed, and then it immediately got slapped down by the 9th Circuit, we came on and said, this is kind of a foundational issue. It is a foundational issue that the president of the United States has control over immigration law across the entirety of the country, whether it's a blue State or a blue city or not. And a part of me thinks, and tell me if. Cause I'm trying to think of this strategically. The only way this makes sense is if you just are desperate to be arrested by the President of the United States because that helps you politically when it comes to your standing in the Democrat Party. This in no way actually benefits the city. It certainly doesn't benefit the state. Look, have you ever seen a study on this? Because I would love to see a study on this. Mamdani got elected in New York City and I see these as all connected or got the nomination for the Democrat Party in New York City for the mayorship by basically arguing rent is too expensive, we need to freeze rent. And really, he argued products are too expensive, life is too expensive in New York City. You lived in New York City for a while. I don't know what the numbers would reflect. JD Vance made this argument a bit on the debate against Mike Walls. Tim Walls, and then it got shot down. Didn't get much attention beyond that. What would it do to rent if there were no illegal immigrants in New York City?
Clay Travis
Well, I believe that the laws of supply and demand still matter, even when Democrats wish they wouldn't. So yes, there would be more housing that would open up. This is true in New York City. This is true nationwide. The same way that they say, who's going to work in the meat plant once the illegals have been removed from it? Americans. That's actually what happens.
Buck Sexton
That's how supply and demand works.
Clay Travis
Yeah. This has been fascinating because the rhetorical question that they think they're asking actually has an answer. Who's going to take these jobs? Americans who get paid on the books and a real wage.
Buck Sexton
So I would love the fact that we've never really seen a study and maybe some of you have. If we have, according to Tom Homan, 20 million illegals in the United States. That's what he told me a couple of months ago he thought was the actual number. Now some of you are going to say, hey, I think it's 30 or I think it's 40 or whatever the number is. Tom Holman said 20, so I'm going to use 20 as a rough approximation. Those numbers are overwhelmingly slotted in cities like New York, Chicago and la. What would rents do if you just eliminated illegal immigrants from the rental universe? To your point, natural laws of supply and demand would suggest they would come down substantially.
Clay Travis
It's even worse than that. Unfortunately. The city of New York has some of the most oppressive and anti. Anti Property owner laws in the entire country. And there's also rent control, which is just a government mandated spoil system that people abuse. And I'm sorry if some of you live in rent control departments, good for you, but you're actually kind of milking the system. That's just the truth. I had, I, you know, my, my first, my girlfriend when I was in high school, she lived in a rent controlled apartment and when her parents told me what she was paying, I remember I was like, wow, that's like a couple hundred bucks a month for a huge apartment. I was like, that's weird. So look, it's a spoil system and it artificially raises the cost of housing the same way that illegal immigration raises the cost of housing. Here's a, here's another one, Clay. They estimate, and they have pretty good numbers on this because they have to bill people. 30% of emergency room visits in New York City last year were illegal immigrants. 30. So if 30% of the ER visits are illegals, now I know you say, oh, but they don't have access to Frontline care. That's where they're going. Yeah, but what would happen if you didn't have those illegals? You'd have a whole lot more ER capacity, wouldn't you? You'd have much shorter er weights, wouldn't you? The same concepts, the same ideas apply to housing, apply to employment, apply. Because supply and demand is a real thing.
Buck Sexton
Which is why I think Republicans should start making that argument. Because there are a lot of people out there who feel like goods cost way more than they used to. And that's the function of inflation. Inflation comes down, it doesn't ever go away. It's like putting on weight. You eventually have to, you know, you don't ever get typically negative cost of goods. So you're trying to get around 2% a year, it's still going to add up. I saw our friend Jesse Kelly shared something that since COVID $100,000 today, $100,000 in 2020. You need 125k today to have the same purchasing power. Basically everything costs about 25% more than it did in 2020, which is a function of inflation because we judge inflation on a year to year basis, not on a multi year basis. So that 9% inflation got perpetually embedded. And so really, goods have increased in value by about the cost of them has increased by about 25% just over the last five years.
Clay Travis
And you look at what happens when the government starts playing this game of influencing the numbers in the market, whether it's for housing or employment playing these games by allowing illegal immigrants to get, you know, work papers and all these things. It has, it has tremendous cost. Obamacare, this has been largely forgotten, was supposed to bring down the cost of health care. Everybody. Do you remember that? Does anybody remember that was the big promise. Yeah. You're all going to be covered. Covered, quote, unquote. But it's going to bring down the cost of health care. It didn't do that. Healthcare is actually just getting more expensive all the time. It's super heavily regulated and it is more expensive. Kind of like housing stock in Los Angeles. Very hard to build new homes in la, new apartment buildings. A million different environmental and union and local regulations. Same thing is true in New York City. These places are infringing on the market and causing huge problems. So, yes, with the illegals, despite what Mayor Bass says, they're called illegals once again for a reason, because they're breaking the law. And I think Tom Homan really got to this when he said that they're arresting non criminals. He's like, they're not allowed to be here. The whole point is this is cut 10. He's like, we're arresting the people who are not supposed to be in the United States. That is the fundamental problem.
Buck Sexton
Yeah. And that is if you're in the.
Tom Homan
Country legally, you're not off the table. I mean, people. I see people, you know, saying, we're arresting non criminals. Well, they're in the country. That's our job. And we told ICE agents in the process going out looking for the bad guy. And this is the problem with sanctuary cities. When we go to the community to go find the criminal, many times are with others, others that may not be a criminal target, but they're in the United States illegally. They're coming, too. We're going to force immigration law. Unlike the last administration where Secretary Mayorkas instructed us, you can't arrest an illegal alien for simply being here illegally. They gotta be arrested. Being convicted of a serious criminal offense. He rewrote the law. That's not what the law says. We're going to force law. That's what the people put President Trump in office to do, and that's what.
Clay Travis
We'Re doing, enforce the law.
Buck Sexton
And we have shut down the border. But again, if you take Tom Homan at his word, and there's 20 million illegals here, even at 3,000 deportations a day, it would take decades to get that 20 million out of the country. That's the reality. That's why Tom Holman just said, hey, we need to bump those numbers up to 7,000 a day. We'll talk more about this. Uh, but I do think the only thing that makes sense for Karen Bass is she's hoping to get arrested. Gavin Newsom's hoping to get arrested. He actually called out for it because they see it as ultimately beneficial in the Democrat Party, even if it's actually detrimental to their city and state, which is a sad place to be. Uh, look, Peace in Israel fragile. Israel's military acted on Sunday against the Houthi rebels after they attacked the ship with materials meant for Israel. Every time Israeli citizens think the threats have been neutralized, the rebels show aggression again. Israelis are still recovering from the missile bombings from Iran that affected thousands of innocent civilians. Your gift to the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews will help provide wide scale food distribution. Along with critical first aid and emergency supplies. These items will help Israel's most vulnerable the sick, the elderly, children and families. The IFCJ is there in Israel, working tirelessly with your donations. Your gift today will also help place new bomb shelters across Israel along with necessary supplies for existing bomb shelters. Now's the time to save and heal Israel's innocent and most vulnerable. To rush your gift, call 888-488 IFCJ. That's 888488 IFCJ. You can also go online at IFCJ.org that's IFCJ.org saving America one thought at.
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J.R. Martinez
The Medal of Honor is the highest military decoration in the United States. Recipients have done the improbable, showing immense bravery and sacrifice in the name of something much bigger than themselves.
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This medal is for the men who went down that day. It's for the families of those who didn't make it.
J.R. Martinez
I'm J.R. martinez. I'm a U.S. army veteran myself, and I'm honored to tell you the stories of these heroes on the new season of Medal of Stories of Courage from Pushkin Industries and iHeart podcast. From Robert Blake, the first black sailor to be awarded the medal, to Daniel Daly, one of only 19 people to have received the Medal of Honor tour twice. These are stories about people who have distinguished themselves by acts of valor going above and beyond the call of duty. You'll hear about what they did, what it meant, and what their stories tell us about the nature of courage and sacrifice. Listen to Medal of Honor on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
Clay Travis
Welcome back into Clay and Buck. We are joined by our friend Selena Zito. Book comes out today. I've got a copy because, you know, I know some people. Butler the Untold story of the Near Assassination of Donald Trump and the fight for America's Heartland. Selena, you do great reporting. You're an excellent writer. You were right there that day in Butler as those shots rang out. Tell us, what was it like? What happened?
Podcast Announcer
Yeah, so you know, when you're in reporting, you aren't. Your day starts out a certain way. Like you're going to do this, this and this. And nine times out of 10, that's not what happens. And so that day I was supposed to interview President Trump for five minutes before the rally. That changed about two hours after I'm at Butler and it's going to be five minutes after the rally. And then they say, well, you want to, like, fly to Bedminster with the president, do the interview on the plane? I'm like, well, I never get an invite like that. I'm in. And. And then five minutes before he's supposed to go on stage, they come rushing back and say it's go time. And I just assumed that they changed their mind and I was going to do it before the rally. So I raced through along with my daughter, who's a photojournalist. She did the COVID of the book and race through the crowd. We get to the behind the stage and I asked the young man, like, where are we doing this interview? And the president's around the bend. He comes back and he says, not doing the interview right now. You're still going to Bedminster. He just wanted to say hi to you. And so that moment of him just wanting to say hi, he asked about my grandchildren. I've interviewed President Trump dozens of times and, and at that moment, I'm then now stuck because I can't get back to the press riser and I'm supposed to leave with him to go to Bedminster along with my daughter. So they put me in the buffer area. The buffer is sort of this. Well that goes around the stage and they said just follow him out and then get over on the other side towards the end. You can just jump in the motorcade. That's why I ended up being just four feet away from the President when he was shot. Was right, if you can see me. And a lot of the photos just to his. That would have been his left.
Buck Sexton
Selena, this is. I've got the book in front of me right now and I read the opening chapter already is fabulously well done. And I'm actually looking forward to reading it. And we get a lot of books and I'm not able to read all of them, but we're coming up on the one year anniversary. Do you find it as hard as I do, as I think Buck does, and as I imagine the vast majority of people out there listening do that, we still know almost nothing about this guy who got onto the roof with that gun. Not much about his background, not much about his motivation on that day, not even that much about how he came to come as close as he did to killing the President of the United States, which by the grace of God, he did not achieve. But we're in a completely different universe. If that bullet is one quarter inch closer to the President, what do you think now, having been there, having witnessed it, does it still seem improbable that all of this happened?
Podcast Announcer
It does seem improbable that all of this happened. And you'll find out in the book. The President calls me the first thing the next morning. And you know, President Trump is a little hilarious if you don't haven't picked up on that. The first thing he says is, hey, this is President Trump. Like, I don't know that, right? And then he goes, I'm so, I want to make sure you are okay, your daughter's okay, and I'm so sorry that we didn't get to do that interview. And that's, that's this moment with him, right, that you really understand, like this is this is not the person you always think he is. And we have. We go on that day, and it's detailed in the book. We go on that day to use. Calls me seven times. And. And he really talks about the improbability that he didn't die. Any questions about purpose and about God, not in a fanatical, you know, religious way, but in a way that is very thoughtful and, you know, you know, why didn't I die? Do I know? How do I have this new purpose? And I think he answers that question every day, whether you agree or not with everything that he does. He answers that question every day since he was sworn in, in January. But he does have purpose. This is not the presidency of a man going into his second term. This is a president. This is not a lame duck presidency. He is approaching this as someone who was spared by God, and he says that many times to me, but also as someone that has a purpose and he is meant to fulfill it. And he's going to go head down straight into it, because you never know what's going to happen to you.
Buck Sexton
I think that what you just said is so important, and I think people are picking up on it now. I think even Democrats are. The biggest difference between Trump 1.0 and Trump 2.0 is the quality of the people he surrounded himself with. Yes. But also Trump is making decisions that he thinks are generationally in the interest of the country, and he's not concerned at all with anyone who might disagree with him. And I think that's partly because he feels spared based on what happened that day in Butler.
Podcast Announcer
Yes. Though. So I have an interview coming out with him this week on Friday in the Washington Post, and he talks about that in a very meaningful and profound way. And, you know, part of who he surrounds himself also has to do with Butler. Like, Butler changed everything. It didn't just change the American electorate. It didn't just change our coalitions and galvanize people. And people will read that detail as I continue to cover the election in a way that none of you have saw, because the Republicans were writing something completely different than what I was reporting in that moment. But everything changed in that moment. And I think this nugget's important because it goes to understanding Trump in a way that people don't understand, and it goes to understanding why he's going to do what he's going to do, because God saved him. And that is the moment that he says, fight, fight, fight. And I asked him about it the next day, and I asked him Again, about it two weeks ago, he said, I just wanted to revisit it with him. And he had the same exact answer, because I didn't know if he would remember that or not. Right. That was a pretty crazy day. The next day, he said, I was not Donald Trump in that moment. I had an obligation to be someone who shows resolve and be a symbol of the country, be a symbol of grit and exceptionalism, and we will go undefeated. And that is what America has always meant to me. And I had an obligation as a former president and possibly the next president, to show that, because in a lot of ways, because I didn't want people to panic there, and they didn't, by the way. But also, I didn't want people watching panicking out in the streets. I had an obligation to be presidential, not to be Donald Trump, to represent the office in the country with resolve.
Clay Travis
Selena, honestly, wasn't that just the most amazing thing you've ever seen a president do? Amazing, even for President Trump, who's done a lot of incredible stuff. Clay. And I still sit there and think I can't. It's hard to believe, even when you watch the video, even when we saw it the first time as it was happening, that a president took a bullet through the ear, was bleeding on stage, and turned to his people and raised a fist and told them to fight.
Podcast Announcer
Yep. Yeah. It was that process that went through his head, that understanding that it was more. He wasn't him. He was a man there. He was a president. He was America in that moment. Right. You know, that symbol of our country. When you think about the American eagle. Right. Perseverance and strength and grit. He knew that people needed to know that he was fighting, that the country was fighting, and that something as dark as. As what Thomas Matthew Crooks attempted to do and would have caused immense chaos and unrest in this country was not succeeded. And he wanted to show that America is resilient. I don't know. And I remember him telling me that, and my reaction was, wow, that's deep. Because it was. It was. It was to think on your feet like that after you've been shot. Me, most people would be in the fetal position. Right. And I'm watching him. See, remember, I'm only four feet away, and I'm watching him, like, struggle with his Secret Service because he wants his shoes on, and damn it, he's going to get his shoes on. He is not walking off of that stage in his stocking feet across gravel. Were you able to be the United States?
Buck Sexton
Were you able to Go to sleep. I'm just kind of curious when something like that happens, were you able to immediately contextualize the historic moment of what had occurred and the fact that I think for hundreds of years people are going to be watching that video.
Podcast Announcer
Yeah.
Buck Sexton
And it's going to become even more iconic after the passions of the moment start to fade because Democrats have whatever they think about Trump. But I think 50, 100 years from now, long after anyone who is listening to us today is not here, that moment is going to become so indelible and so iconic in American life. Did you understand that or feel that immediately? And second part, did you, like, were you able to sleep that night? I'm just kind of curious when you have that experience, how long it takes you to come down off the adrenaline rush just based on where you were. To say nothing of him.
Podcast Announcer
I've still not come down from it. And, and, you know, I knew exactly, you know, as a journalist, you know, part of your job, even if it's a tiny thread, you're always covering history every day.
Buck Sexton
Yep.
Podcast Announcer
But I knew in that moment, you know, and he talks about purpose, but I also talk about purpose. There is a reason I was there. Right. And there was a reason I was supposed to chronicle this. And. And I knew that that was what my purpose was and to be. Be able to tell this story in. And. Because I have a gift of total recall. Right. I can remember every smell, every. Like I think in color. Right. Like I can smell and taste and feel everything in that moment. And, and when they, when people say, when they've been in a. In a tragic situation, the time slows down. There's. That. That was very true for me. And, And I watched the entire thing in, in, in. In these, these very fine layers. And because I have the gift of recall, and plus I have my recorder on and I'm taught, and I record everything that happens. I can hear everything the President says, but also I'm talking to my recorder, so I don't forget anything. And I probably started the book. I didn't even think about a book. I just thought, well, I need to write this story. And I did. But, you know, people came to me. It's like, you have an obligation to write this book. And so I immediately started writing it. But as I'm writing it, I'm still continuing to cover an extraordinarily historic election that, that I believe is. And I'm watching it, that other people aren't covering what's happening. They're covering what they wish was happening. They're covering what they hope happens. But I'm on the ground there in Pennsylvania, in the middle of somewhere, Pennsylvania, and I'm covering this and seeing this entire country change, not just in the rural areas but in the suburbs. I'm watching these young mothers who all was who have never put a Trump hat on in the next weekend have them on at their kids soccer games because and there's interviews in the book. They said, hey, he can take a bullet for me. I can wear a damn hat and not worry about what people say to me. Everything changed in that moment.
Clay Travis
Butler the untold story of the near assassination of Donald Trump and the fight for America's heartland. Selena Zito's book out today. Selena's great. We really love her work. Get yourself a copy. Selena. Thank you so much.
Podcast Announcer
Oh, thanks. You guys have a great day.
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Clay Travis
Secretary, appreciate you being with us. We know we were just, you're just in a marathon cabinet meeting As a member of the Cabinet, a lot covered there, Wanted to just jump into what is in the big beautiful bill that affects directly U.S. national energy policy. Like, what do we need to know about what's coming?
Chris Wright
Actually, quite a bit. But let me start out with maybe the biggest thing is it's the ending of about a half a trillion dollars of subsidies that would be paid out in the next 10 years. So, you know, roughly 50 billion a year. We've been paying these for many years. And the biggest component to them is to pay people to put wind and solar on our electricity grid and subsidies to help rich people buy EVs. And so the problem of these subsidies is they not only cost the taxpayers a half a trillion dollars, but at the end, they make our electricity grids more expensive and less stable. So we have to pay twice. So I think reducing the pressure, the cost of these subsidies and the pressure on the cost and stability of our grid is going to be a big win for Americans.
Buck Sexton
When you look at the price of gas, I think there's a big story doesn't mean talk in the price of.
Chris Wright
Gasoline in affordability terms. So it's just tremendous. That's a significant expense that all Americans, all of us, pay every week to get to our jobs, to go on vacations, to visit our grandmothers and travel with our kids. If you make gasoline prices expensive, you just shrink the life administration's record. We have gasoline 25 to 30 cents a gallon cheaper today than it was 12 months ago. And that's going through a period of time of major conflict in the Middle east, but major productive conflict in the Middle east, hopefully ending the 46 years of Iran as the troublemaker in the Middle east and really the threat to global peace, probably the largest global threat to peace over the last 45 years.
Clay Travis
We're speaking to the Secretary of the U.S. department of Energy, Chris Wright. And Mr. Secretary, if you could lay out for us what does a make energy great again? You know, mega, mega. What does a make energy great again policy under Trump look like going forward? Does it include nuclear? Is it new technology applied to fossil fuels? Like what? What is the Trump administration trying to accomplish so that not only are we doing as much as we can with the technology we have and the resources we have in the past, but that we do new things, innovative things going forward?
Chris Wright
Oh, great setting of that table. So I mentioned that getting rid of a half a trillion dollars to make energy expensive. There's also in the one big beautiful bill just returning to rule of law and allowing oil Gas and coal producers to produce again on federal lands across the country. This will lower baseline energy prices in the coming years and decades in front of us. I squeezed that one in there real quick. But there's also. I'm a free market guy, so I'm not a fan of subsidies. But we do have tax credits in there for a finite period of time for next generation nuclear and for geothermal and for upgrades. If we can get more power out of hydro, have it cheaper to build big reactors. Yeah, go ahead.
Clay Travis
No, I was going to add exactly what you were going into, which is what does that look like? Because nuclear unfortunately became a boogeyman. What. What does it look like and what percentage do you think of our power could come from nuclear in the years ahead, given the Trump administration's willingness and.
Chris Wright
Your willingness to 20% of electricity today? So after natural gas, which is by far and away the leader, nuclear is second. But yeah, I mean, that could. Yeah, a couple of decades from now, that could be 50, 40 or 50% of our electricity from nuclear. We got to build a lot to do that. But this is America. We can build a lot. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission, the nrc, has just made it so expensive, so slow and so risky to develop nuclear power in the country. We basically stopped doing it for the last few decades. So we need regulatory reform at the nrc. We need regulatory reform from NEPA so that it's just a check. Are we being smart about the environment, not a weaponized thing. You could just have lawsuits and stop anything from being built. We need to have permitting on federal lands. Department of Energy will be in charge of that. We will have next generation test reactors running 12 months from today at our Idaho national lab facilities there. Like the technology is there, the private capital is there, the interest is there. We just need the government to get out of the way and let capitalism and free market forces bring us a very exciting few decades with rapid growth in nuclear energy.
Buck Sexton
We're talking to Energy Secretary Chris Wright. Buck just asked, and you are hearing a lot of talk about the need for nuclear power. Underscoring all of this, based on the people that I talk to, is there isn't enough discussion about all of the power and energy that's going to be necessary for AI. That the amount that this is going to demand, the amount that it's going to soak up is just off the charts. That I imagine is something you're spending a decent amount on as well. For AI, for the AI revolution to take place and for America to lead. What sort of Energy do we need to create that isn't being created now? Is that accurate based on what you're seeing?
Chris Wright
No, you're absolutely right. Let me give them numbers real quick. We had. So here we are, 20, 25, five years from now, we're going to need probably at least another hundred gigawatts of generation. A gigawatt is like a big coal power plant, a big natural gas plant, a nuclear plant. Some Nuclear plants are 2 or 3 gigawatts, but 100 gigawatts of additional power five years from now. And in the current plan, there is a plan to shut down 100 gigawatts of mostly coal plants over the next five years. If we did all that, we'd have to build 200 gigawatts of new power generation to meet that projected demand. And what's in the queue right now that's visible? Or applying for a permit or acquiring land of firm capacity? About 20 gigawatts. So a gaping hole, which is why this administration and my department are going to be very carefully scrutinizing. Does it make sense to shut down that coal power plant like the one they tried to shut down in Michigan? An over 1 gigawatt power plant, 15 years left of plant life and for political reasons, we want to get rid of coal, we're going to shut that puppy down. I used emergency powers to keep it open. Two days in that same Midwest grid, there was a blackout. We've just got to stop shooting ourselves in the foot by closing existing plants. And we've got to make it much, much easier for American businesses to build new natural gas plants, to build new nuclear plants, to build new geothermal next generation electricity generating capacity. Just wind and solar just is simply not an answer. It's really hot in D.C. today, but the wind is still no wind power at time of peak demand. In the winter, it's really cold at night, but we don't have any solar power. And when you're in a cold, huge cold front, it's again a high pressure system, no wind. So we've just got to get smart about energy in the United States again. But it's business and private entrepreneurs that are going to drive this. We just need the government to be out of the way and a credible partner for permitting and any other infrastructure that needs to be built to support it. But I'm optimistic. This is America. We can build things again.
Clay Travis
One more for you, Mr. Secretary. Thank you for being with us in terms of exports for particularly oil and natural gas. I know we've We've been doing very well. And America is really the world's fossil fuel, the true fossil fuel superpower. We don't necessarily think of ourselves that way, but I think the numbers certainly bear that out. Is there going to be, would you expect it an increase in that and how, how do you see it affecting global demand?
Chris Wright
Yes, there's going to be a huge increase of that. United States is already by far the largest exporter of natural gas in the world. And we will double that in the next five years. And the five or seven years after that, we could double it again. So America would just be the dominant supplier of natural gas around the world. That's 25% of global energy comes from natural gas and it's the fastest growing source of energy on the planet. So super excited about where all this could go. And I've got to jump on to.
Clay Travis
No, we, we like the optimism. Thanks for joining us. Right after cabinet meeting, Secretary of Energy Chris Wright. Thank you so much, sir.
Chris Wright
Love the show you guys. Rod, keep up the great work.
Clay Travis
Thank you.
Buck Sexton
Thank you.
Clay Travis
Can I just say I love that the secretary of energy is a high energy guy. You know, he's not low energy, he's.
Buck Sexton
High energy running around there in the background. We'll break down some of that. Continue to take your calls. And what we've Selena Zito, who is going to take us to Butler, Pennsylvania. It's almost the one year anniversary of Donald Trump nearly being assassinated taking a bullet in the ear in Butler, Pennsylvania. She had one of the upfront views of that event. She's got a brand new book out about that day in particular and we will discuss that with her at the bottom of this hour. In the meantime, decisions about health care coverage, which plans right for you and your family, they don't come easily. Choices have a gotten more limited, less appealing and frankly often very confusing. Something as important as health insurance, you want to feel good about the decisions you're making. Why settle for a government plan like the Affordable Care act when there's a better option, one that puts you in control? There's a solution to finding good health care coverage called Ease for Everyone. It offers affordable health care for as low as 262 bucks a month. You can keep your doctor, never pay a deductible and access over 400 prescription drugs for free. Go online to the website, see what plan is right for you and your family. Ease for Everyone developed by some very forward thinking experts right here in Nashville. You'll be speaking with people that live in your world. Can speak your language, answer your questions, visit ease for everyone.comclay and join today. That's ease for everyone.comclay Clay, Travis and.
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Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. All right, we'll play some of your reactions again. I have brilliantly explained why the Epstein case is really frankly based on all the logic about a guy who got rich by being able to provide young, attractive women to people who were also Rich. And that may well have led to relationships with intelligence agencies. And. And so far, that does not seem to have quelled the crazy brigade. So the crazy brigade is welcome to call in 800-282-2882 and argue that the entire government has conspired to protect Jeffrey Epstein. But I did want to say something incredibly positive. Did you see this story, Buck? You no longer have to take your shoes off to go through a TSA line. Now I only got to see it. I only got TSA PreCheck, like, whatever. Ali, Producer Ali. And you made me do it because I had never done it.
Clay Travis
We couldn't believe you didn't have pre check. That was a true shocker.
Buck Sexton
It is true. I had not done it. I. My last book came out, they were like, you need to do it. It is better. I'll be honest with you. Some airports, the pre check line is now longer than the regular line. Like when I flew back from Florida recently, every time I go into my Florida airport, the line is longer to go through pre check than it is to go through standard. And that sometimes happens at lots of different airports out there across the country. But would you agree with me that it was almost universally hated that you had to take your shoes off? And it was one of the things that. That any government employee would make you do that regardless of how you vote. Everybody was like, this is absurd and ridiculous.
Clay Travis
Yeah, it's. It was. It was degrading and. And it felt preposterous. And the whole thing to me was always, look, a lot of the TSA stuff is theater, and there was a lot of tsa. A lot of things that TSA have done and we're doing. Reminds me of the way that Covid was handled on some level. Like, we're just going to do things so that people think that we're doing things. But the people I always felt bad for weren't just the, I have to remove my shoes people, Clay. It was the people who weren't wearing socks.
Buck Sexton
That's just off. That feels.
Clay Travis
That just feels icky. You know, you have to kick off your. Your Birkenstocks with no socks, and you got to walk on those gross airport floors. What do you think the last time was the TSA line? Floor was mopped up. I think it's been a while.
Buck Sexton
Look, this is how you beat viruses. You got to expose yourself to the. To the grit and grime. This is why bare feet, people. I think we live longer because we are more attuned with, like, fighting off viruses because we just walk around with bare feet. We're exposing ourselves all the time. In all seriousness, this is one of the stories they say about why allergies have gotten so bad. Have you read some of these theories that the reason why kids today are allergic to so much more, every generation is allergic to more, is actually because we live in such sterile, clean environments that kids today are not coming into contact with the same amount of antigens, ish, for lack of a better term, that they would have before. And so that's one reason. For instance, pathogens.
Clay Travis
Right?
Buck Sexton
Antigens. Pathogens.
Clay Travis
I don't know, maybe it's antigens.
Buck Sexton
Are they, are they just two different types of the same thing? I'm not the science.
Clay Travis
No, you're right. Antigen, a toxic or other foreign substance with which induces an immune response. You're right. Antigen, not pathogen. Sorry, you keep going.
Buck Sexton
Well, now you got me confused because I'm like, what's the difference between an antigen and a pathogen? But, but I do think like every kid, every generation of kids has gotten way more allergic to peanuts, for instance. Right. Like they don't even have peanuts on airplanes now.
J.R. Martinez
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Clay Travis
So a pathogen is a disease causing organism, Bacteria, virus, fungus. An antigen is just a thing that triggers an immune response. So antigen is actually the more proper. There you go, Mr. Clay.
Buck Sexton
There you go.
Clay Travis
Our hat to you, sir.
Buck Sexton
And everybody just got better at sat vocab out there. Who's out for school for the summer. You should be able to get that correct now. But you know, used to be in like 1980, nobody had by and large peanut allergies. And now we sit here in 20, 25, 45 years later and they can't even pass out peanuts on airplanes anymore because there might be an allergy there. How does that happen? Well, I think it's frankly because we're not exposing kids to, to these, these antigens. But on the larger context here, I think TSA is, and I know a lot of you are TSA agents because I meet a lot of TSA agents going in and out of airports that listen to the show and, or consume the. We go through to get on airplanes and taking off your shoes and taking your laptop out of your bag and things like that. And now you have to have the real ID to fly. None of it feels to me like it's making us very much safer. And I think many people have always seen. I know I was, I remember the shoe bomber, whatever his name was, Richard Reed, Richard Reed back in the day, tried to light his shoes on fire on A flight, I think from Europe to the United States, if I remember correctly. And But I just feel like all of that kind of conspired to make people trust the larger security apparatus less instead of more. And the data actually reflects. People get through with weapons all the time. You know, when they do the tests on, hey, like I've got an actual gun. An actual gun, which you would think like, hey, maybe your nail clippers, we don't need to worry about so much, but an actual gun, let's try to stop that from happening. They still get through an actually scary amount of time even with existing tsa.
Clay Travis
Yes, this is true.
Buck Sexton
So I don't know what the long range solution is here long term, but I do feel like this is an improvement. And on a positive level, I think it will probably cut lines by a quarter or a third because everything will just be way more efficient without having to make people take their shoes off and walk through and wait for it and everything else.
Clay Travis
Not to interrupt our shoe security discussion, but we will have. Now we've been confer. It's been confirmed by his team, the energy Secretary will join us at 2 o' clock because he just got out of the rather lengthy Trump cabinet meeting which covered a lot of ground, which we're bringing you the highlights of it. I think we're doing a great service by bringing you the highlights because otherwise you have to spend most of your day listening to the entirety of the drum cabinet meeting. So we will have the Energy secretary which will be an exciting discussion and you don't have to take your shoes off anymore. Now in the normal line. And yes, it is true, Clay, that sometimes the TSA pre line is in fact worse than the just I'm a person who wants to fly line. So you gotta, you got to pick your, you got to pick your line here in Miami, which I will say is one of the worst airports in America for any city. I think it's probably a top five worst airport. It's one of the few things about Miami that I really. It's just a big, big l. Big loss is the airport here. And there's many different.
Buck Sexton
Your airport is a disaster.
Clay Travis
It's a disaster. It's a terrible airport. And the city of Miami needs to.
Buck Sexton
Figure out, and let me say this to Fort Lauderdale better, I think in terms of getting able to get in and out. Also an awful airport.
Clay Travis
Palm beach airport is the one you want to go to if you're looking for a nice airport around here. You know, there's like a string quartet Playing when you land, there's butlers named Jeeves who are hanging, who are handing out little. Little nibbles of caviar. Very civilized in the Palm beach airport, But Miami, you know, you can get some. Some Cuban coffee, but the airport itself is not good.
Buck Sexton
Miami, it seems like it was designed, the airport, to make you have to walk the longest.
Clay Travis
Longest possible distance at all times. Yes. And it has the worst. It has the worst food, the worst design. It looks like it, you know, is a 1970s time warp. So, yeah, it's a. If you have a good airport, lucky. I saw actually a ranking of the best airports in the country.
Buck Sexton
I saw this. The Washington Post ranked them. Do you have an airport you fly into? And you're like, man, this is a great. Now some airports are tiny, and I don't count those. Like, you know, I flew.
Clay Travis
I will say is. Is pretty impressive. Now.
Buck Sexton
LaGuardia used to be like a Greyhound bus terminal. I hated going there. It's really nice. Now. Nashville has done a good job on, I think, redoing much of.
Clay Travis
Yeah, very civilized. You guys have a good airport?
Buck Sexton
Yeah, it's a. It's a pretty good airport. I actually think National Airport is the best, very nice in D.C. in terms of proximity to being able to get in and out of the city. I actually think national is one of the best. This would be. I mean, I feel like I've been to almost every major airport at some point in time. And I'll tell you, Salt Lake City has a great airport. Trying to think of the other ones that I've been to recently, where now some cities have multiple airports, so that can get a little bit complicated. Denver's airport's in the middle of nowhere. It's actually very nice airport when you actually get there.
Clay Travis
Dulles, generally, I see o' Hare, I know, gets a lot of hate. I know o' Hare gets a ton of hate.
Buck Sexton
Dulles, if they make you get on like a people mover. To get to the terminals like Dulles, you have to get on the people mover. Orlando, not very well designed. You have to get on the people movers. Vegas, a lot of time Vegas is. Oh, Vegas is ugly. Not surprising, but pretty depressing airport.
Clay Travis
I think Portland has, according to the Post, had a very nice airport. We got Trump weighing in here on. You see that? That's a hard turn back into the news. That's how we roll here. We got Trump weighing in on the Putin situation. From Portland to Putin, we cover all the ground here. This is cut 32. You can tell Trump is getting very frustrated with the leader of Russia. Listen to this one. Play it.
J
That was a war that should have never happened and a lot of people are dying and it should end. And I don't know, we get, we get, we get a lot of bull thrown at us by Putin for. You want to know the truth? He's very nice all the time, but it turns out to be meaningless.
Buck Sexton
Do you want to say something? Lindsey Graham has a sanctions bill on Russia. Do you want him to move?
J
I'm looking at it. Yeah. No, I'm looking. The Senate is passing and passed a very, very tough sanctions. But yeah, I'm looking at. It's an optional bill. It's totally at my option. They pass it. It totally at my option. And to terminate totally at my option. And I'm looking at it very strongly.
Clay Travis
The plan so far with Russia to stop this bloodshed in Ukraine clay has not worked. So Trump is now looking at the pressure points that he can use and the alternatives to get Putin to stop. But it's been going in the other direction.
Buck Sexton
Are we still. Have they given up on the Trump as a Russian asset or is this still something they say on the left now?
Clay Travis
You don't hear it as much. You don't hear it as much because.
Buck Sexton
He probably still is pretty critical of Putin in the first six months and now he's like the readout on Zelensky and the resources we're giving is that Trump's relationship with Zelensky is on a better ground than his relationship with Putin. Remember, it was only in February where we had the blow up in the Oval Office and everybody was convinced, oh, this is Manchurian Candidate Trump. I just, I can't keep up with who exactly Trump is an asset of. So I just, I'm curious what the latest is on left wing swamp. Fever dreams.
Clay Travis
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Podcast Summary: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
Episode: Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Jul 8, 2025
Release Date: July 8, 2025
Host/Authors: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton
Platform: iHeartPodcasts
The episode begins with Clay Travis updating listeners on the ongoing activities of President Trump, who is conducting a Cabinet meeting. Clay emphasizes the administration's focus on critical issues such as the devastating floods in Texas's Hill Country, economic matters, and border security.
Key Points:
Tariffs and Treasury Revenue: Clay discusses the unexpected success of Trump's tariffs, which contrary to predictions, have not led to significant price hikes for consumers. Instead, they have successfully generated substantial revenue for the Treasury, with $100 billion already collected and projections of an additional $300 billion soon. Clay remarks, “This is real money. So I think it's particularly interesting” ([02:30]).
Energy Policy Focus: The administration is prioritizing energy independence, aiming to leverage America’s vast natural resources by removing regulatory barriers and reducing reliance on renewable energy sources deemed unreliable.
Clay raises concerns about the current state of immigration enforcement, highlighting recent actions by Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass, who has publicly opposed federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) operations. A specific incident at MacArthur Park, where federal agents were apprehending undocumented individuals, serves as a focal point for discussion.
Notable Quote:
Discussion Highlights:
Supremacy Clause: Buck emphasizes the foundational legal principle that federal law supersedes state or city directives, asserting that Mayor Bass’s opposition to ICE is legally unfounded.
Economic Impact of Illegal Immigration: The hosts delve into the argument that reducing illegal immigration would alleviate housing shortages and decrease emergency room overcrowding. Clay states, “It has tremendous cost” ([10:00]), referencing the economic strain caused by undocumented immigrants.
Selena Zito joins the show to discuss her newly released book, Butler: The Untold Story of the Near Assassination of Donald Trump and the Fight for America's Heartland. She provides a first-hand account of the incident that nearly claimed President Trump’s life in Butler, Pennsylvania.
Key Points:
Immediate Aftermath: Selena describes the chaotic moments before and during the assassination attempt, highlighting Trump’s remarkable composure and leadership under fire.
Psychological Impact on Trump: The discussion reveals that Trump perceives his survival as a divine intervention, fueling his determination and sense of purpose in his presidency.
Notable Quotes:
Insights:
Selena emphasizes the symbolic importance of Trump’s actions during the attack, portraying him as a steadfast leader embodying American resilience.
The hosts reflect on the historical significance of the near-assassination event, suggesting it will be remembered as a pivotal moment in American politics.
Following Selena’s segment, Clay and Buck converse with Chris Wright, the U.S. Secretary of Energy, to dissect the administration’s energy policies aimed at making America energy independent and economically robust.
Key Topics:
Subsidy Reduction: Secretary Wright announces the termination of approximately half a trillion dollars in energy subsidies over the next decade, primarily targeting wind, solar, and electric vehicle incentives. He states, “Reducing the pressure, the cost of these subsidies... is going to be a big win for Americans” ([32:33]).
Nuclear Energy Revival: There’s a strong push to rejuvenate the nuclear energy sector. Wright mentions plans to increase nuclear power’s contribution to the national grid, potentially reaching 50% within a few decades, contingent on regulatory reforms and government support.
Notable Quotes:
Additional Points:
AI and Energy Demand: The discussion touches on the burgeoning energy requirements driven by artificial intelligence advancements. Wright provides estimates, noting a need for an additional 100 gigawatts of power within five years to support AI infrastructure.
Fossil Fuel Exports: America's position as the leading exporter of natural gas is emphasized, with projections to double exports in the next five years, reinforcing the nation’s role as a global energy superpower.
Clay and Buck transition to the topic of airport security, critiquing the effectiveness and efficiency of TSA protocols. They discuss the elimination of mandatory shoe removal and the introduction of TSA PreCheck, examining both benefits and challenges.
Key Points:
TSA PreCheck Issues: While intended to expedite security processes, TSA PreCheck lines are often longer than standard lines, causing frustration among travelers. Buck humorously notes, “Some airports, the pre check line is now longer than the regular line” ([46:31]).
Security Efficacy: Both hosts express skepticism about TSA’s ability to thwart potential threats, citing past incidents and questioning the overall impact of stringent security measures on passenger trust.
Notable Quotes:
As the episode nears its end, Clay and Buck provide a brief overview of forthcoming discussions, including another segment with the Energy Secretary and continuous coverage of significant political developments. They also highlight Preborn Network's initiatives and encourage listeners to support pro-life efforts.
Conclusion:
In this episode, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton navigate through a myriad of pressing topics, from the intricacies of immigration enforcement and energy policy to the profound impact of the attempted assassination of President Trump. Their discussions are enriched by guest insights and a critical examination of current governmental strategies, offering listeners a comprehensive and engaging analysis of the nation’s most urgent issues.
Notable Quotes with Timestamps:
Clay Travis: “This is a very important moment in the rule of law for this country.” ([04:58])
Buck Sexton: “The only way this makes sense is if you’re just desperate to be arrested by the President of the United States.” ([07:01])
Selena Zito: “This was a president. This is not a lame duck presidency.” ([22:27])
Chris Wright: “Reducing the pressure, the cost of these subsidies... is going to be a big win for Americans.” ([32:33])
Buck Sexton: “I think Republicans should start making that argument.” ([07:09])
Buck Sexton: “I think TSA is... making people trust the larger security apparatus less.” ([49:50])
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