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Clay Travis
This is an iHeart podcast.
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Buck Sexton
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show podcast. Welcome in Monday edition Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. We're going to have some fun, as we always do on the show, but a little bit of a unique fun. For the next two weeks, I'm going to be in our iHeart studios by and large here in Washington, D.C. we're going to be bringing in a lot of congressmen, a lot of senators, a of lot. We are going to be with President Trump, Buck and I in the Oval Office. We're going to head out to the Pentagon. We're going to be at Secretary of State. We're going to be all over the place in D.C. for the next couple of weeks. So you may have no idea who's going to be on from one moment to the next, but it should be really cool. We're obviously on here in D.C. in Freedom 104.7, but we have awesome studios here. If you've been to D.C. just down from Ford's Theater, just down from the arena, right in the center of Northwest Washington, D.C. just a couple of blocks away from the Capitol, just a couple of blocks away from the White House. In fact, this morning I went up to Capitol Hill because I have got my oldest son doing an internship, which is the primary reason why I said, hey, let's go to D.C. for a couple of weeks. So he is up on Capitol Hill learning how the government works and dad is in charge of him. Buck is stuck somewhere on a tarmac. As many of you are aware, thunderstorm season, the worst time to be trying to travel anywhere. He will be back with me tomorrow here in our DC Studios. And let me give you a little bit of roadmap of where we're headed before I dive into this chaos in Los Angeles and why I think it's so significant. Marsha Blackburn and Tommy Tuberville, two senators, are going to be with us in studio here in the third hour. So you can put that on the horizon. We will also be joined by Riley Gaines here at the bottom of the hour. She works at Outkick alongside of me. She is fabulous. And out of nowhere, Olympic gymnast Simone Biles ripped for being too outspoken on keeping men out of women's sports. And so Riley is going to respond here on the show to that. So that will be at the bottom of the hour. You guys can be prepared for that. But I wanted to say, first of all, hope you guys had fabulous weekends and we are going to have like you can tell as I just laid out a super packed show here on the Monday edition of the program. But many of you, alongside of certainly me, were watching last night as unfortunately we had what felt like an echo of the summer of 2020 emerging in Los Angeles. We had police cruisers on fire. We had rocks and other projectiles being hurled at police officers. We had five different WAYMO vehicles. You may remember I came on talking about how much I loved riding in these autonomous vehicles, Waymos, that have taken over much of the travel in San Francisco and LA Phenix. I think a lot of you out there would be riding in them as well. They're spreading across the country very quickly. I had my oldest son with me in San Francisco. He was super excited to ride one. I loved it. They were on fire in Los Angeles and the cars were being graffitied. People were waving the flags of Mexico and other countries and as they rioted against ice. And here's what I think is going on. I think if you went back and maybe we'll talk about this with President Trump Thursday in the Oval Office. I think one of the things that Trump would say that he learned in his first term in office was when violent protests begin, you have to nip them in the bud immediately. You cannot allow them to grow and spread and then fester across the entire nation. And if you remember in the summer of 2020, Tim Walls was the governor of Minnesota responding to George Floyd. There is 100%, should be 100% openness for protest in the United States. We should not ever allow violent protest. And if you violently protest, whether you're Democrat, Republican, Independent, whether you're a citizen or a non citizen, you should be arrested and prosecuted, I think to the full extent of the law. And we've been pretty consistent about that. Now, that doesn't mean that you, as we saw on January 6, should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. And everybody else who was involved in the BLM protest when they were trying to basically knock the fences down at the White House, if you remember that well, when they were attacking police like crazy, you should have no charges brought based on the politics there and every charge brought based on the politics of January 6th. But if you are going to charge everyone, regardless of political backgrounds that are to the utmost ability for violence, I'm in favor of it. I've been in favor of it my entire life, while also being 100% a First Amendment guy. I'm banned from CNN, as many of you remember, for saying the only two things that have never let me down are the First Amendment and boobs. In a eight year old viral clip that continues to be one of the most popular clips. Every few months it's circulating again and every new generation is becoming aware of it in a positive way. By the way, they like it even more. The younger kids do. And I think that's because younger men in particular are over the bs. So I think what Trump learned from the first administration is you have to stop these protests and not allow them to spiral and grow. Particularly because this is not a real protest. It's astroturfed. They bring in professional protesters who want to riot, who want to frankly, take away from whatever honest, peaceful protest is trying to be made. And they turn many parts of American cities into violent cesspools. They burn down buildings, they attack cars, they attack police. And so this is what we started to see happen in Los Angeles last night. And before I start playing some of the clips from what happened last night, we One bit of positivity, I have not heard it talked about very much, but murder rates in this country are collapsing all over the country because Trump has committed to giving police the ability to execute from a law and order perspective. And I'm not hearing a lot of people talk about it. And yes, murder rates do go up in the summer. Frankly, I think it's because kids are out of school, people have more time. But all over the country, we are seeing 2025 crime collapse. In fact, we could have potentially the lowest murder rate in the US Ever recorded based on how much murder rates are collapsing in this country. Again, Trump took office, law and order has been on the upswing, and we are seeing massive declines in murder rates all over the country. And it's not getting a lot of attention. But let me just hit you with this. Through May of 2025 from last year, just from last year, murder rates in New York City down 27% in murder rates in Chicago, down 24%. Murder rates in St. Louis down 35%. Denver, 63% decline. Baltimore, 32% decline. Cleveland, 37% decline. New Orleans, 31% decline. It doesn't matter what the blue city is. A little bit of red state law and order being applied makes everybody safer. It's not getting a lot of attention, but this is an incredible success story. And so what Trump and his team saw is they said, we're not going to allow the chaos that happened in 2020 to take over the country again. And sadly, the people who ended up losing the most were the people who had to deal with the rates of violence overwhelmingly black and brown in this country as the BLM protest led to a decline in law and order. So Trump says, hey, I'm going to bring in the National Guard. We're going to provide even more protection than we did in 2020. We're not going to allow history to repeat itself. Now. This is LA's police chief, Jim McDonnell. This is cut six last night saying it's out of control. What we are seeing, the violence. This is Cut six.
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Jim McDonnell
The National Guard was federalized, so they're working for the US army, not for the California State National Guard.
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Tom Homan
Do we need them?
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Jim McDonnell
Do we need them? Well, looking at tonight, you know, this thing has gotten out of control. What they're, I think before I could answer that, I'd have to know more about what their capabilities are, what their, their role is intended to be, to be able to make that determination.
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Buck Sexton
Okay, when the police chief says it's out of control, that's a sign that probably he wants the National Guard in, that he doesn't feel like he has enough resources. But I bet that this guy doesn't want to step on Gavin Newsom, Governor of California, and Karen Bass, the mayor of la, who are doing awful jobs. And here is Tom Homan saying, protest all you want, but if you touch law enforcement, it's a crime.
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Riley Gaines
Cut 8 for those protesters that cross the line. I've said it many times, you can protest, you got your first amount of rights, but when you cross that line, you put hands on nice officer or you destroy property, or I says that you're p law enforcement or you're knowingly hard ranking SEAL and illegal alien. That's a crime and the Trump administration is not going to tolerate. You cross that line, we're going to see prosecution to partner justice.
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Buck Sexton
Okay? Police chief says violence out of control. He also says that you just heard Tom Holman saying, we're not going to allow this to happen. Here is Tom Holman saying the violence is escalating, getting worse, more violent. Cut 7.
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Jim McDonnell
To the people who are not happy with the fact that ICE is in the, in the community doing what ICE does, you know, it's, I respect ICE for being a fellow law enforcement agency. They have their mission, they have their what they have to do. We don't engage in that activity. But again, we can't preclude them from doing that. They have every right to do that. This violence that I've seen is disgusting. It's escalated now since the beginning of this incident. What we saw the first night was bad. What we've seen subsequent to that is getting increasingly worse and more violent. Tonight we had individuals out there shooting commercial grade fireworks at our officers that can kill you.
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Buck Sexton
Okay, Trump says, look, they spit, we hit. This is cut one. Listen, I have a little statement. They say they spit, we hit.
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Tom Homan
I told them, nobody's going to spit.
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Buck Sexton
On our police officers.
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Jim McDonnell
Nobody's going to spit on our military.
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Buck Sexton
Okay? So that is the background. Now you watch the images yourself. There are cars burning, police cars burning. They are being attacked. Police officers. Listen to what you heard. If you were on ABC News in la, this is Mark Brown. He wants you to know, look, this is just a lot of people who want to have fun watching cars burn. It's not a riot. This is what this dude really said on ABC News. Listen to cut 4. Large group of people. It could turn very volatile if you move law enforcement in there in the wrong way and turn what is just a bunch of people having fun watching cars burn into a massive confrontation and altercation between officers and demonstrators. Excuse me. A bunch of people having fun watching cars burn. They're not pulling out skewers and making s' mores in the backyard with the family. That's having fun watching a fire burn. This is attacking people all over the city. Do you think those cops were like, man, they're just having fun watching the cars burn while Molotov cocktails are raining down on them from the overpass, which is what I saw happening last night. Imagine you're watching ABC News. How does that dude have a job? They're just having a. There's a bunch of people having fun watching cars burn. Yeah, that's kind of. Yeah, that's kind of what a riot is. And also on cnn, Brian Stelter, Humpty himself, he wanted you to know most of LA is fine. This is cut three. Let me just say this too, by the way, when LA was burning, it wasn't the entire city. Do you think people would have been happy if you come on and you say, hey, yeah, there's lots of people losing their homes. They're burning down. Most of the city's not getting hit. I live in Tornado Alley to a large extent in Nashville. Stornadoes come through, they wipe out people's homes. Do you think if I came on the day after a tornado and I was like, hey, just so y' all know, most of the city didn't get hit by the tornado, so we don't really need to consider it to be major issue of course not. But this was Stealther on CNN saying, hey, it's really pretty isolated. The riots cut three.
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Brian Stelter
On one level, protests are always about images, about spectacle. You might even say it's about theater. And we are seeing that play out in la, and I think it's valuable to have that perspective as we see some of these pictures, especially as we zoom out and we recognize that the unrest is isolated, is not overtaking the entire city of la. LA is home to millions of people, most of whom are having a normal day here on Sunday.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah, the tornado, it just killed some people. Most people are still alive. That hurricane, boy, you know, it didn't hit most of Florida, it just hit part of Florida. I mean, this is crazy, but that is what they are trying to do, to minimize. Again, I think the big story Here is Trump 1.0 and everybody surrounding him saw what happened in the summer of riots that led to, I believe, thousands of additional murders because suddenly police couldn't do their job. And they are saying, we're not going to let the nation's second largest city, Los Angeles, spiral out of control. By the way, a lot of you in LA listening to us now, we have a huge audience. You can weigh in and let us know what you're seeing and what you think of the response so far. And isn't it always interesting? Isn't always interesting how the rioters, the looters and the protesters, they never do this when it's cold. Like they're never willing to be out in the streets when it's 25 degrees. Now, I know LA is warm all the time, but it isn't it amazing that they wait till the weather's perfect? It has to be the summer, it has to be. When it's not, you're not going to be out in the streets shivering. And it's amazing. They never really seem to hit the bookstores and they never really seem to do it early in the morning. It's kind of interesting how it all happens late at night, isn't it? And how it's only like the Best Buy and the footlocker that gets hit. Barnes and Noble. I was at Barnes and Noble last night. Barnes and Noble never looted or rioted in the history of mankind. Nobody's like, hey, we can get a really great deal on the Harry Potter books right now. They don't seem to be big readers, the looters and the rioters, despite the fact that they say that they are trying to make a larger statement. So we'll take some of your calls. We'll dive in again. Riley Gaines Bottom of the hour But I want to tell you, buying gold still a great investment. 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We would be nothing without you sir. Instead they choose to lie to the people of California and America by saying we weren't needed and that these were just quote peaceful protests. Just one look at the picture, pictures and videos of the violence and destruction tells you all you have to know. We will always do what is needed to keep our citizens safe. So we can together make America great again. A woman who is trying to simply make women's sports great again by doing something crazy and saying only women should be able to play in women's sports. My friend Riley Gaines joins us now. And Riley, we were texting quite a bit over the weekend, but full disclosure, I was out to dinner with my family. I had my mother in law, my brother in law, and you sent me the link. And I thought, this can't be real. There's no way that Olympic gymnast Simone Biles, out of nowhere just decided to rip you for simply saying, hey, there shouldn't be a male pitcher winning a Minnesota softball women's championship state title. And I still am in disbelief that this happened. What was your reaction when you first saw this, when it popped up on your social media feeds?
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Clay Travis
Well, Clay, you were the very first person I sent it to. I saw it pretty immediately, which is pretty rare. I have my notifications off on X, right. Like, things don't typically pop up, but I think it bypasses if someone mentions you or retweets or quotes you, and they have a certain number of followers. And so I got this notification that said Simone Biles has tagged you in a tweet. And I was, I was honestly, like, starstruck in that moment. I was. I couldn't believe it. This is a woman I publicly called on prior to this, maybe a year or two ago to stand with women. Not me personally, but to stand with the movement of protecting women and girls in sports. So I click on it and Clay, I was. It took me a minute. I had to go back and forth to the profile several times and make sure this was not a fake account. But no, lo and behold, this was the real Simone Biles calling me a bully for defending women and girls in sports. Even still, just like you said, I'm in total disbelief that in the year 2025, this is the stance that Simone Biles has chosen to take. I think the response would have been a lot different if this was in 2020, 2021, maybe even 2022. But to say this now, I just can't for the life of me understand why she would do this.
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Buck Sexton
So the attack was crazy on that. But then she also came after you over your body, which is like, first of all, every. All athletes have, particularly as you become Olympic champions, sometimes bodies that are different, right? Like Michael Phelps does not look like a normal human. It's one reason why he's such an incredible swimmer. Simone Biles is not a, quote, normal sized human. It's one reason why she can throw her body all over the place in a women's gymnastics. And so she's actually done body positivity ads to try to make women, and I think boys too, more comfortable with their bodies. And so the first thought when she attacked you that I had was Riley's like the most average. And I don't mean this in a negative way, but you're actually the most average sized girl out there. Right. So my first thought was, I mean, not there's anything wrong with like a 6 foot 4 woman or whatever, but you're. And then I love you made a video because my first thought was like, Riley's not even abnormally sized, but she was trying to ridicule you and she did it claiming that you are male size. So that is even maybe crazier than the first tweet she sent.
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Clay Travis
It is by far crazier for a couple reasons. Number one, because when she said this, right, like bully someone your own size, which would ironically be a man, the first thing I thought of was this is, this is so hilarious. Because she's understanding and recognizing that men and women are physically, biologically, categorically different. Right? Like, like she just admitted that in this. This, I think, was meant to be an insult. But then, of course, number two, yeah, to, to come from my body. First of all, I'm five foot five. I mean, relatively standard. I think anyone would be a giant next to someone who's like 4 foot 8, right? Which I think Simone Biles is. Yeah, I'm so standard size. I'm like 130, 135 pounds. So it took me a while to even make sense of this. I'm like, is she calling me tall? Is she saying I'm muscular? Is she saying I'm like, like, I didn't even equate in my brain for a little bit. But I will tell you the response that she has received from this. I mean, it's been the number one trending thing on Twitter prior to the LA riots, of course, which is just horrific and, and an utter shame that this is happening in our country. It was the number one trending thing on Twitter for, I mean, two days straight. Even on TikTok. Every TikTok video that pops up on my for you page is someone coming for Simone Biles for coming for me and for my body. Again, a woman who has historically made a platform, a larger platform for herself outside of her athletic success, for, I mean, praising women and their muscular bodies and the purpose that they can serve. But nonetheless, she has shown her true colors here, I believe.
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Buck Sexton
And well, I love that you posted a video with your husband Louie, who is also awesome and was a swimmer at the University of Kentucky, where he actually measured you in your sock feet. I'm presuming that was in your, in the front room of your home, which is really, really funny. But it also just to me epitomizes the crazy hypocrisy of her. To your point, yes. Acknowledging bully someone your own size, hey, there is a difference between men and women because that's oftentimes said. And so she's acknowledging that even while she's trying to do it. So what is the motivation here? I'm sure in some measure you set back and you're like, yes, she has been thankfully obliterated by people from across the athletic spectrum for what she did. Why did she do it? Where did this come from?
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Clay Travis
This is what I've been trying to figure out. I've seen a couple different theories and I've actually had several Team USA gymnast, both men and women. Actually tons of Olympians across the board, all kinds of different sports have reached out. I won't disclose any names, but several have told me privately that this was an attempt to put her name back in the spotlight prior to a Netflix docu series that is to come out called Simone. I think it's called Simone Rising or something of that nature, which, what a hilarious thing. Simone Biles allegedly feeling like she needs to get back into the spotlight and she does it by criticizing me. Insane. So that, number one, could potentially be a possibility. Some people are saying they don't think this was really her. This was a management company or someone who runs her social media who posted this. Some people are saying she's been paid to post this. They've now posted receipts of her linked with a certain like, activist based organization that's in the 40, 50 million dollars. And she's been tied to them. So I have no idea. I cannot again, I just can't. And with a sound mind, think she did this because she actually believes it. Being an elite gymnast. I mean, you look at men's and women's gymnastics, they're not even the same sport, essentially. Like you have pommel horse and rings on the men's, you don't have that with the women, you don't have beam. Men don't compete on beam. Right. Like they're totally different sports, essentially. I cannot believe that she actually thinks this. So I guess the motive, the motive is still in the up in the air.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah. And by the way, let me say this because my wife was a very good gymnast and I think she came in fifth in the state of Michigan as a senior. That's pretty good. And, and she has argued for years, if men did the women's contest, men would be way better at them than the women are. And to your point, Riley, most women can't even do a lot of the things that the men do. Right. Like the rings, for instance. Most women wouldn't have the upper body strength to be able to do the things that men do there. That's not an attack on women's gymnastics. It's just that for people who don't do those things, men would be able to do, for instance, the floor routine or the, or the vault or all these things, the ring, the uneven bars, better than women do them because they're bigger, stronger and faster. That would translate even to gymnastics. I didn't know that. Again, this is my wife analyzing it. Who does this stuff at a high level, or used to anyway. So she's gotten attacked. I also think this is important. She waited until her career was over. And, and you have talked about this. Megan Rapinoe did the same thing. The US Women's soccer player. You have seen women retire and then say, oh, I'm fine with men going into women's sports. It's like they're yanking the ladder up. I give Credit. It's amazing. J.K. rowling. Have you ever met J.K. rowling, by the way, the Harry Potter author?
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Clay Travis
I have never met J.K. rowling. Of course she lives overseas, but we've been able to communicate back and forth on, on X, maybe some other platforms. She's incredible. The way that she had everything to lose.
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Buck Sexton
Yes.
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Clay Travis
Most people think she has nothing to lose because she's already made her career. She had everything to lose, yet she. It didn't matter to her. It still doesn't matter to her. Even she came out with a pretty fiery tweet.
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Buck Sexton
Yes.
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Clay Travis
Directed towards Simone Biles. So she is to me, a modern day civil rights heroine.
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Buck Sexton
I love her. And to your point, I read the Harry Potter books back in the day. She's a billionaire. She had no reason to need to. She's not an athlete to speak out against the trans agenda. She just saw it as fundamentally a lie and wasn't willing to continue to tell a lie. And so when you see Simone Biles, Megan Rapinoe, your athletic career is now over and you are fighting for your sister or other girls who might come after you, for instance, to be able to compete only against women. Isn't it uniquely awful and indefensible for highly successful female athletes who made tens of millions of dollars off of their athletic talents to suddenly come out in favor of men and women's sports when they never are going to have to compete against them themselves?
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Clay Travis
It's the definition of pulling up the ladder behind you. That's exactly what Megan Rapinoe has done. That's exactly what Simone Biles has now done. It's why, like I said, I publicly called on. It was like this little campaign thing I did maybe a year, year and a half, two years ago at this point where I publicly called on current elite female athletes in various different sports, Caitlin Clark being one of them, to, to. To stand with women and just simply say that men should not be in women's sports. I called on Serena Williams and if you can remember, she said on David Letterman in 2013, I mean, basically she already said it, but that was before. I guess it was bigoted or transphobic to say it. But not a single woman, at least the ones that I've called on, have chosen to respond in any manner. I mean, it's been total silence. Crickets tried the same thing with men, on the other hand, got a totally different response. I had male athletes, people like Bronk, right, who come out and say, yeah, men should be one sports. Easy to say that, right? Not really my fight. We had several who said, you know, this is kind of up to the women's handle. But yeah, this is crazy. I think it speaks to, of course, the physical differences that are very obvious that people can see and observe between men and women. But even just this little campaign proved that men and women are inherently different in our characteristics and how we approach things and how women are more emotionally driven and apologetic and empathetic and men are typically more assertive. And that was made very clear in this little campaign we did. But yeah, Megan Rapinoe. Also important to mention she's not interested in men. Therefore, it is unlikely. I know she can still adopt or whatever options are out there for her and her wife, Sue Bird, but Megan Rapinoe is not gonna have kids. So for her, she has nothing on the line, right? Like she's done with her career. She's not gonna have a daughter of her own. She doesn't care. It's totally an attempt to do virtue signal, be seen as this, this inclusive figure for all. But in reality, what you're doing is being exclusive to women.
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Buck Sexton
You have been so outspoken talking To Riley Gaines. How much do you let me mention this because I think people might have missed it, but you had a man win two different women's track titles in California. You had a man win in Washington. The impetus for Simone Biles reaction here was a man was the star pitcher on a Minnesota softball state champion team. And I think the initial comment that she was responding to was you sharing the fact that in Minnesota they had turned the comments off on the team photo which showed the boy way taller than everybody else on the, on the team. How much do you think the conversation has changed as oh, this never happens when you got California, Washington and Minnesota all in the space of basically a week with state championships being won by men pretending to be women.
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Clay Travis
Yeah, well, important to mention just last week, as you said, this happened in five states. Minnesota, California, Washington, Oregon and Maine where boys sole state qualifying spots, state championships or podium spots from, I mean deserving hard working girls. So five blue states that, I mean the whole it doesn't really happen argument it can't stand at all when it continues to happen. But that's the classic progression of these issues is well, it doesn't happen so we don't have to worry about it. You know, you're looking for a solution in search of a problem. That's step one. Right? I think that was, that was when I was competing, that was 2022. It never really happens. Then it slowly shifts to okay, well it is happening, but it's not happening a lot, therefore we shouldn't be concerned about this. Then it progresses to okay well it's happening and here's why it's a good thing that it's happening. And then I think the final stage of it is it's happening, it's a good thing and you're going to accept it or else again, that's, that's the classic progression not just with this issue, but a lot of these fringe cultural issues. That's why now you're seeing what's happening in LA happen. It's the same progression but now the whole it's not really happening thing, it just doesn't stand. And to acknowledge how the public has shifted to this again, look at Simone Biles comments section, go on Instagram, go on Twitter, go on any article that's being Posted, go on TikTok. And she is getting absolutely demolished to the point where I almost feel bad for her. Like I really do. I'm reading these comments, I'm like, oh my gosh, like I was prepared when I got that notification. Clay on my phone for, for that onslaught of hatred to come towards me. Like I was like, oh gosh, like she's going to send all of her little, little, you know, minion people who follow her over to my page. That is not at all what has happened. I haven't read a single negative comment about myself following this, this interaction, but you compare that to 2022. Totally different response from the public.
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Buck Sexton
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Marsha Blackburn
You know, I, I was in high school and it was a 4H club leadership summit and it was absolutely so exciting to me and to come up and to have lunch with my senator and get that photo and you know, what fun.
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Buck Sexton
What, what do you think young Marsha Blackburn on that 4H trip would have thought if you had told her, hey, one day you're going to be a congresswoman and a senator yourself. Do you think you would have believed it? Were you interested in politics at that age?
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Marsha Blackburn
I was very involved, yes. I thought that good citizenship was important. And we, even as I was cleaning out the some things, one day I found a flyer I had done and distributed to all my neighbors as part of a citizenship project, reminding them to go vote and the importance of going to vote. But never would I have thought I would have been an elective office. But you know, that's just one of those things I tell young people all the time. Be, be ready to walk through open doors. Realize you don't chart your path. God charts your path. And to be mindful and to accept those open doors.
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Buck Sexton
What did you think last night when you saw the footage from Los Angeles?
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Marsha Blackburn
Out of control. These men and women that are there trying to get these criminal illegal aliens. Why in the world would you have a mayor and a governor that are siding, trying to protect criminal illegal aliens and to obstruct ICE and keep them from doing their job. And you know, I. Clay, you talk to so many people when you're on the air every day. I'm not hearing from people that want to keep criminal illegal aliens. Look at what is happening in Nashville. And this is not a partisan issue. This is a 90% issue. And people will say if they are criminals, they need to be removed. Let's remove these individuals and people Realize that coming across that border illegally is a crime. And of course, we ISIS out there doing their job. We are a nation that is built on the rule of law. And it is imperative that these officials implement and abide by the law. If they don't like the law, they can try to change the law, but it is. There are set procedures for entering the country legally. There are statutes that determine what is and is not a crime and whether it's a felony or a misdemeanor. And to have people that want to pick and choose and say, we're going to enforce this, but we're not going to enforce that. And a sanctuary for. For this, but not for that. This is what really spurs a lot of the chaos that you're seeing take place in places like la.
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Buck Sexton
It's not just LA either, because I hear from some people and I know we've got a lot of people listening in California, but they say, oh, that's just a blue city there. What do I care? We live in a red state, you and me. You're my. One of my senators, and I'm glad that you are, and maybe more here in a little bit. But when you see what's happening in Nashville, because I think a lot of people out there say, okay, 10 state Tennessee, very red. There's a mayor, Freddie O' Connell, in a city of Nashville, who has basically said, hey, we're going to try to stop ICE from doing their work. This has become a big talking point, many cities all over the place. First you have got a bill called the Remove act that would take from 90 days down to 15 days to help expedite the removal of people who shouldn't be in this country. So that is something you're directly to try to help the President. But when you see a city like Nashville, when you see someone making the choices that the mayor there is making, that Karen Bass is making in Los Angeles, to directly defy the President's authority. Can you believe it?
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Marsha Blackburn
It is difficult to believe. And this is why removing these criminal illegal aliens is a 90% issue. And people want them to be taken out of the country. And the other thing is the doxing. This is something that happened in Nashville and you had the mayor and his office that actually exposed the names of HSI investigators and also of our ICE agents and their operations. Now, you cannot do that. And exposing that, we found out that it is not illegal to reveal the name of a law enforcement officer. It is illegal when they're undercover and you reveal their information. So my preventing law Enforcement doxing that legislation. We've also filed to include law enforcement who are implementing the law in that so that we can protect our law enforcement officers at the local, state and federal level. It should be illegal to dox them, whether they're undercover or out doing their regular job. And what we see happening with this obstruction is people are saying, why are the Democrats choosing to die on this Hill?
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Buck Sexton
Yeah.
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Marsha Blackburn
Why are they absolutely making this their issue? Number one, when this is something that people overwhelmingly support? Get them removed from the country. Protect law enforcement. Don't dox them. Don't go put their pictures up, don't go put their home address. Don't endanger their families. People want to show respect for law enforcement.
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Buck Sexton
Department of justice is investigating what Nashville had happened. You've asked for that.
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Marsha Blackburn
Yes.
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Buck Sexton
Pam Bondi is the Attorney General. What do you expect that investigation to be like? How should it.
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Marsha Blackburn
You know, I, I'm sure they will have something to say about this. I've sent the letter over. I have requested that they formalize an investigation and I would expect that at some point we will hear from that. You do have the Homeland Security Committee in the House, which is chaired by Representative Green out of Tennessee.
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Buck Sexton
Yes.
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Marsha Blackburn
And also the Judiciary Committee in the House. They have started an investig investigation and looking at what happened with obstructing these, these raids.
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Buck Sexton
Were you as stuck? I mean, you've lived in the state of Tennessee and in the Nashville area as have I for a very long time. And look, sometimes mayors are good, sometimes mayors are bad, particularly as it pertains to any big city that you might have in a, in a state. I was stunned when I saw the mayor of Nashville, Freddie o' Connell, engaging in this behavior and having a press conference to brag about it. Were you as stunned as I was?
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Marsha Blackburn
I was stunned. I couldn't believe that there would be a defiance of removing criminals. You know, one of the top issues when you talk to people in middle Tennessee and west Tennessee, crime, they talk about the escalated occurrence of criminal acts. Carjackings, particularly in Memphis, home robberies had.
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Buck Sexton
One of the highest violent crime rates in the whole nation.
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Marsha Blackburn
Right. And so it has stunned people that Nashville had a mayor that would come out and would choose to protect criminal, illegal aliens over law abiding citizens. When people have been saying, we've got to get the crime down. They've been really unsettled by the number of home robberies that have taken place and the number of gangs that have moved into the Nashville. I have not talked to a single person who wants to have more trend day or agua or Ms. 13 in their community? I mean, not one. They want them gone, they should be gone.
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Buck Sexton
We're talking to Senator Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee. Okay. In particular now, big beautiful bill is underway.
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Marsha Blackburn
Yes.
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Buck Sexton
You are in the Senate majority, 53 Republicans. I'm sure you, like everybody else, saw Elon and Trump going back and forth. Elon says there's not enough cutting of spending that's going on. This is past the House. President Trump says, hey, we're gonna create incredible growth rate. We're gonna put in place all these tax cuts for years and years to go. Cause otherwise they expire. What should we know about the big beautiful bill? What should the timeframe be? There's a ton of deal with the border as well, which would help to ideally keep some other president like Biden from wide opening the border again to allow people to pour in. What's the latest? What should we know? What's the time frame?
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Marsha Blackburn
Yes. And we are hopeful to have it to the President by July 4th so that we've got that true independence today. And we know that this is a tax cut bill. It is kind of tax Cut and Jobs Act 2.0. And we will make those tax cuts permanent. We're also trying to make permanent R and D bonus, depreciation, interest expensing because we've got a lot of small businesses in Tennessee. 93% of our jobs are small business jobs in the state. And that's important to them. Also provisions for no tax on tips, overtime and Social Security. And that is my legislation to remove the tax from Social Security for our seniors. So we're in the process of negotiating those with finalizing some of those provisions. We want to get permanence on these provisions. That's how you get that extended growth that will run out past 10 years. So we'd like not to be back at the negotiating table in businesses and individuals. Tennesseeans tell me all the time, just tell me what the rules are and I'll play by the rules. But we don't like this changing everything. And especially when we have so many small businesses, mom and pops, small business, manufacturing businesses on our main streets. We need some permanence.
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Buck Sexton
We've had Senator Ron Johnson on the show. He says more spending needs to be cut. We've had Rand Paul on saying the same thing. Are you optimistic that the Senate is going to be able to come to an agreement?
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Marsha Blackburn
Yes, I am. The House did one and a half trillion in spending reductions. The Senate wants a $2 trillion reduction. And we've got a pathway to do. The Doge cuts are they have to come to us through OMB from the White House and then that is going into what is called a rescission bill. So we can't put those into the reconciliation, the tax bill. They've got to travel separately kind of at the same time. We got the first package of those. It's $9 billion, which over a 10 billion. A 10 year period. You're talking about significant savings.
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Buck Sexton
Last question for you. I think the key to all this is growth. There's a guy who lives in the Nashville area, he's kind of smart laugher who will come on he makes this case. But I think it's one that is being missed a little bit. And I want to give you an opportunity. But if we get the growth of the economy to 3% or more, which I think we will, then we are going to actually start to cut the deficit.
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Marsha Blackburn
That's correct.
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Buck Sexton
And it's really important because the CBO and there's all these numbers that are running around out there, all of it's predicated, the projections on what the growth rate of the country is. If we get to 3%, then the national debt starts getting paid down and the president's focused on growth more than cuts. Ideally you get both. But growth, growth to a large extent, according to people like Art Laffer, is.
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Marsha Blackburn
The most important thing that is accurate. And bear in mind CBO is always wrong on their projections. They have been wrong every single time. They were wrong on the 2017 cuts.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah.
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Marsha Blackburn
And so you do want to reduce spending and you want to get that growth. And President Trump had the Senate finance Republicans at the White House last week to work on some of this with him, the vice President, Secretary Bessant and Kevin Hassett. And one of the things we know is that if you are growing, if you put these cuts in place and it's the largest tax cut and you get permanence on R and D and expensing and depreciation, then you are going to see that because you will have your small businesses choose to grow.
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Buck Sexton
Yes.
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Marsha Blackburn
And to hire and to expand. That is. That is how you get that growth. And the multiplier effect on that is so significant.
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Buck Sexton
And not only that, Covid hit right as Trump's economy was exploding. Right. January of 2020, February of 2020, probably the greatest economic season we've ever had.
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Marsha Blackburn
Correct.
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Buck Sexton
And then Covid happened and suddenly everything goes off the railroad. We get that rolling again by 2024, 2028, in the next election cycle, we should be firing on all cylinders.
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Marsha Blackburn
That is accurate and we are looking forward to having this permanence. And then bear in mind too, in 2017 when we did the Tax Cut and Jobs act, the biggest benefactor of those changes were your small businesses. You saw such an explosion of small business manufacturing and this was so good for Tennessee. We had a lot of businesses that had been there for years that this was their chance to grow. So they jumped to that level and now they are waiting to hire, they are waiting to invest, they're waiting to punch send on those equipment orders.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah.
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Marsha Blackburn
Because they want to be able to depreciate that in that first year or two and then move into upgrades.
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Buck Sexton
Senator Marsha Blackburn with us by the way. Just walking in behind you, one of your Senate colleagues, Senator Tommy Tuberville. You guys may be governor colleagues before long too.
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Marsha Blackburn
Tommy Tuberville's a great guy. We call him Coach.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah, he's going to be on with us here in just a sec. Senator Marsha Blackburn, thank you. Keep up the good work and we look forward to celebrating when the big beautiful bill is done.
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Marsha Blackburn
You got it.
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Tom Homan
A day to day basis is a killer. I mean it's just going to run a lot of people out. Obviously Nick didn't, he didn't last long. He got out. And when you can't control your destiny, Nick and I and a lot of my buddies I grew up with, we learn from good people. Jimmy Johnson, you bring in two, three stars nobody ever heard of and you build a football team. You can't do that anymore. It's not about building a team. It's not about loyalty and it's not about education. The three things that it should be about, it's totally gotten away from that. Now it's about money. And I'm fine with them making money. I've always thought they should make money. It's a full time job and but there's really, it's hard to make a plan for it when you've got 600 athletes and half of them are women and then the other half, most of them are Olympic sports and men's sports, non revenue. You have two sports. You know, basketball really doesn't make any money. Everybody says, well, men's bat, men's basketball at one or two schools might make money. They're lucky to break even. They spend a lot of money. The only, only one that makes money is the big stadium football teams. And of course now the TV contracts have gotten huge. But yeah, 20.5 million to spread around on each team. Now you don't have to get involved in that. You know that Clay?
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Buck Sexton
Yeah.
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Tom Homan
You can opt out and say listen, we don't have the money to do it. And that's what's going to happen to 70%. They don't have the money to do that.
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Buck Sexton
Right. We're talking to Senator Tommy Tuberville. Next year he'll be Governor Tommy Tubberville, which will be an interesting transition. Why? What's the role that as Alabama governor was so attractive to you that next year you'll, I think, you know, go ahead and make a prediction, be the next governor for Alabama. What do you want to do?
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Tom Homan
Well, I'm a builder as I was a football coach. And up here, you're one of a hundred. And you can do a lot of good for your state and the country. It's really watered down. It runs at a slow pace. But I looked at staying, and my wife and I talked about it and, you know, I've got grandkids now, and I look at a situation where I can go home, I can take the experience that I've learned up here. All the, all the connections. Now you got to have connections to get federal money. And I can go back to Alabama and we can, we can get a coaching staff, as I'd call it. You know, people run education, healthcare, military, all that and do the same thing at a, at a smaller level just for this. 5 million people in the state. State. And we go from there and we hit the ground running. So you can, you can see results as a governor. You can see results here, Clay. They are few and far between and they're very, very slow. And again, I didn't, I didn't mind doing it. When we had Biden administration, it was defense. I'm a defensive guy, but it was defense all the time. You couldn't get anything done. Now with President Trump in, he's doing a great job. He's gotten common sense back up here. He's. He's working the halls of the Senate trying to get this big, beautiful bill across, which it will eventually. But at the end of the day, I just looked at and say, you know, to use my abilities the best I can and the best for Alabama, go back and be governor.
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Buck Sexton
Alabama is an awesome state. It's a great place. There will be a Senate opening to replace you. It's going to be a Republican. How, how do you see that race playing out?
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Tom Homan
There'll be four, five, six people run for it. And they should. They all call me and I said, of course, I'm telling you, I'm not going to endorse anybody. You're on your own until you win the primary. And I think that's the right way to do it. Just. It'll be a free for all. Even Bruce Pearl. I've heard his name thrown in there. I don't think at the end of the day he will do it.
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Buck Sexton
I've texted some about him. I love Coach Pearl like you do. He's the basketball coach for Auburn for people out there that might not know. And he's been really outspoken because he's been so fired up, up about the response since October 7th. As a guy who's Jewish, there's just a lot of awfulness that's been happening.
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Tom Homan
Yeah, yeah. And. But he, he would be a great politician, but I just, I don't think it's time for him. You know, I was retired.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah.
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Tom Homan
You know, I wasn't still working. I could have been, but I just chose to get out and I worked for ESPN for a couple years and.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah.
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Tom Homan
And I said, you know, I'm going to do something for American people, the country that gave me so much and so that's the reason I did it. And, and I think if he was retired, he'd be, he'd be a great senator.
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Buck Sexton
What should we know about the so called big beautiful bill? I was just talking with Senator Blackburn. She says she feels like there's a good pathway to get this done by July 4th. I know that's the kind of back of the mind target. Do you feel good about that? What do you hear? Obviously, there's been a lot of fireworks all around it as it's gotten closer. What do you see on the floor?
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Tom Homan
Yeah, first of all, we have no choice. We've got to get it done. It's got to be passed and it's got to be passed soon because if we don't, 22% of everybody's taxes will go up. And, and you can just, you can, you can say enough, you know, for the Republican Party after we'd promised all this. Now, the other part, other than the tax cuts, there's a lot of good things in the bill now. There's a lot of things. It's like, you know, putting lipstick on a pig. You know, as a conservative like me, I'd rather not do it, but it's like anything else, Clay, you're not going to have. It's not going to be perfect. But we have got to get growth in this country. A lot of my cohorts are saying it's not enough cuts. Well, at the end of the day, we're counting on tariffs and we're counting on growth to overcome a lot of the cuts. That's not in the bill. And so it's going to be a fight. Rand Paul, he doesn't like the debt limit of 5 trillion. None of us do. But that's not to say you're going to get there. That's a rand. You know, President Trump just wants to a point where we don't have to raise it every three months because the Democrats are going to hold our feet to the fire every time we want to do it. Let's just do it all at one time. Everybody's got a reason for doing it or not doing it. Some say there's not enough cuts, but we've got to take care of the people that work. Clay. What President Trump and Heise won in 16 and in 24 was the people that go to work every day and put their nose to the grindstone and barely make enough money to pay for their family and their kids going to school. And they look around going, we've got criminals that don't go by the law. We've got illegals here that are getting food stamps, welfare, free housing. What's going on? Somebody's not standing up for us. Well, President Trump is. And this bill stands up for the American workers. And that's reading. We have to get it done. We have to get it done now and then we can do another. We've got another reconciliation coming, so it's not like we're finished. Let's get this one across the goal line. And there's some things that I want to push a little bit harder, but at the end of the day, I'm gonna vote for it because I know how important it is to our country.
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Buck Sexton
We had Riley Gaines on the show earlier today. You've done a lot of outkick shows over the years with her. With her and a lot of our, you know, you know, I can't believe that outkick site that I found, that is the only one that will say men shouldn't be playing in women's sports. In all of sports. You have been working on this. But just as a preliminary, you coach for a long time, would you have ever believed that Democrats would make it their party belief system that men who pretend to be women should be able to win women's championships? And for people out there who say, oh, it doesn't matter, look, look, California, Washington and Minnesota, just in the last week, men have won women's state championships. I mean, this is crazy town.
- [61:53]
Tom Homan
Did you see the softball pitcher?
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Buck Sexton
Of course I did. Bigger, taller, they couldn't get the swing.
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Tom Homan
Around that already passed them. It just is foolishness.
- [62:02]
Buck Sexton
Yes.
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Tom Homan
And you know, it makes no sense whatsoever. The Democrats don't believe in it, but they push it because they don't have anything else to push. And so they want to keep that, that group of LBGTQ folks voting for them. And I'm afraid, well, if we do this and we're going to lose that voting base, and that's only really the voting base they have, and they really don't have all of them. It's just. It makes no sense to me.
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Buck Sexton
Would you have ever believed that that was ever going to be an issue politically?
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Tom Homan
No. And the other thing is not just participation, it's dressing in the same dressing rooms in the shower. I mean, who believes that? Who believes that's right? I mean, it just makes no sense.
- [62:42]
Buck Sexton
Yeah.
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Tom Homan
And so again, it goes back to their ideology. You know, these, the Democratic Party is just, it's splintered. You got the far left that's pushing all this. And so you've got people that are moderate Democrats looking, going, well, if I don't go along with this, I'm not going to get campaign money and I'm going to be kicked to the curb and I'm going to lose my seat. That's the reason we need term limits. I'm telling you, if we don't, we got to do something where people don't have to be held hostage by the leadership of their parties. We have to have term limits where people can think for themselves and vote for their constituents.
- [63:19]
Buck Sexton
And look, by the way, you're making a choice. You could have stayed in the Senate as long as you wanted to be in the Senate.
- [63:24]
Tom Homan
Right.
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Buck Sexton
You could have been in here for decades, but you have served. And now you want to go back to Alabama and be governor. And, and I'm betting after eight years as governor of Alabama, you'll probably just say, hey, it's time to work on my golf shots.
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Tom Homan
Yeah, I would, I would, I would hope. But, yeah, you know, and I've been one of the most outspoken, and I'm not a politician. Heck, I come up here and look around going, hey, this, I stand for this and I'm gonna speak out for it. I'm the only ones had a bill on, on biological boys and men in women's sports, and we voted on it three times. I've had it on the floor three times, and I've not got one Democrat to vote for. I actually lost a Republican the first time we had that on the floor. So just no common sense up here when it comes to a lot of things. Again, the Democrats are searching for an ideology that will strike a note with the American people. Where they can get reelected. But this nonsense in California right now, the nonsense of the girls being beat up, literally beat up in. Against men in sports. It's a losing cause.
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Buck Sexton
Alabama, a lot of people with a lot of different beliefs. This is. This kind of stuff would not happen in red states. Right. Even with blue cities, they're not going to allow this kind of violence to take place. Did you ever think that it would be necessary to just have a legislation to not allow men and women's sports?
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Tom Homan
Never dreamed it would even. We'd even be talking about it. But if you go back to red and blue, you know how sports. How important they are in red states.
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Buck Sexton
Yep.
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Tom Homan
I'm talking about girl sports and little kids sports and in high school and junior high and then. And then even, you know, the higher education, it's so important. It's not that important in blue states. I mean, a lot of the Democrats up here that they wouldn't know difference between football and basketball. Yeah. I mean, it's not that important in their family life and so wasn't making a difference. You know, it doesn't. So it's so important to. In the state of Alabama that you would have an uprising deluxe. If you had had that pitcher softball pitching against women. You would. I mean, it would. And then, of course, you know, the swimming with Riley Gaines and I'm very disappointed in the gymnast come out the other day.
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Buck Sexton
Yes. Moan bile. I couldn't believe it.
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Tom Homan
I could not believe what she said. It makes no sense. If you can take the top 20 men in the country that would compete against her, that would probably have beat her.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah, true.
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Tom Homan
In anything. And so it's like some of the older tennis players and the years have made tons of money playing women's sports and all of a sudden. Oh, yeah, I think this is right. They should be able to participate. What I mean, you'd have been and also ran if that had happened. So what's happening now is we're going to lose little girls. Yeah, we're going to lose little girls because they're going to look at and parents going to say, there's no reason for you to do that. We're going to have a lot of cheerleaders, is what we're going to have, because they like to be athletic. And it's just. It's just unfortunate that it's going to happen. But you look at some and some people, you know, there are entire teams in high school across the country, most on the west coast, that are all transient transgender. I mean, it's over. Everybody say, well, it's just a few of them. No, it's not a few. And it's growing every day.
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Buck Sexton
Look, I will say this, and I think I've said it on the show, but if I haven't blue states. The way that we are going, every track and field champion will be a man pretending to be a woman. I mean, that's where we're headed. It's crazy. Congratulations to you a year in advance on being a governor. You probably don't want to celebrate early. You don't want to high step into the end zone.
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Tom Homan
Got to run through the end zone.
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Buck Sexton
Got to run through the end zone with the ball still in your hand. But he's senator Tommy Tuberville, soon to be the next governor of Alabama. We got to play. I'm too bad at golf. I don't want to subject you to that. But we'll be crossing paths maybe at July 4th and beyond down on 30A and the Gulf Shores area. That's the best beaches in America. A lot of people don't know Alabama's got some of the best beaches in America.
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Tom Homan
Yeah. Alabama at Orange beach. They just. They're starting a $300 million project. Margaritaville.
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Buck Sexton
Oh, yeah.
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Tom Homan
It's, you know, it's really growing. I mean, it's beautiful.
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Buck Sexton
If you haven't been. They don't want me to say it because the Gulf Shores, Orange beach, all the way down through there. Pretty. You've had a few drinks before at the Florida Bama right there on the. It's one of the most iconic bar.
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Tom Homan
I threw out the first mullet one year.
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Buck Sexton
Oh, the mullet toss.
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Tom Homan
Ken Stabler called me, said, coach, I need you. It's like throwing out the first pitch. People don't. A mullet is a fish, folks. Yeah, but they. They. You throw a fish and you. Whoever has the father's throw in the competition wins. So they wanted me to come down and throw out the first mullet. I thought that was awesome.
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Buck Sexton
That is. That is a real. The mullet toss. A big thing that happens down to Florida Bama. And if you're wondering what in the world. Florida, baby. That's where Florida and Alabama meet. Literally. The bar is on the state line. Florida, Alabama, beautiful beach is Senator soon to be governor Tommy Tuberville. Appreciate you coming in studio with us here.
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Tom Homan
Thank you.
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Clay Travis
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